awesome! I feel this is quite acessible modern music, because you hear a lot of logical structure in this piece. i'd love to try these one day. after Chin's Toccata.
@@erwinschulhoff4464 Heh, nice question! Probably Borodin Symphony 2 Finale arranged for solo piano: ?v=_kWYQR175Zs Also, maybe not exciting, but interesting: Iiro Rantala - Freedom for prepared piano ?v=-jDa2-QlKmI but yeah, Hamelin is great :) do you know his Alkan Etude?
@@erwinschulhoff4464- Stop spamming the comments!! You keep posting the same comment in almost every thread which is extremely annoying! Stop spamming, or someone will report you.
The problem with this recording is a massive, extreme and therefor imperfect usage of a noise reducing system. It makes the piano sounds kind of artificial. Anyway, it's just excellent piano music. There's a lot of fun and wit - either if you're playing or hearing it (or composing....)
@fredericfranc To each his own. You must remember that Lut. died less than 20 years ago...living to a ripe old age. Scriabin not so much, and Scriabin had a massive impact on the music scene in his relatively short life. Traditional? As far as complexity is concerned. I would find it it equally difficult to successfully analyze any Lutoslowski work (like Symphony 2) and any late Scriabin sonata. In fact, I would probably give the edge to a late Scriabin sonata. Particularly one like No. 8 or 9.
@fredericfranc I agree with you that Lutoslawski should be heard more in performances nowadays, but I'm curious: why do you not particularly like Scriabin on the piano? Have you really listened well to his pieces? The 7th sonata took me like 10x hearing to 'get' it, and the piano concerto? Or the (to my ears) unbelievable beauty of even a little piece like his etude 2 no.1? I'm interested in your opinion, because I've never heard a true music lover (what you seem) dislike Scriabin. :)
@fredericfranc Why not? I support the TEa Party and I felt like a Little Lutoslawski would give me a break from too much Ligeti...Although I'm thiiiiiis close to going on a Scriabin binge. You were saying?
It says composed in 1940 - 1941. I wonder, as the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto fire consumed everything both Lutosławski and Andrzej Panufnik had written and arranged to that date, and the only thing that survived was the MS of Lutosławski's Variations on a Theme of Paganini for 2 Pianos -- how is this possible? Was it a recent discovery of sorts? Thanks.
It wasn't 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising but after the fall of Warsaw Uprising (October 1944 - January 1945) when Germans destroyed most of the city. He wasn't in Warsaw during the uprising, so he probably took some of his music with him. It isn't recent discovery, because it was premiered in 1948.
Slightly unrelated but whats the most beautiful piece youve heard this month or even this year And then whats the most relentless, driving piece youve heard this year
@fredericfranc I must say this is simply incorrect. Scriabin, being an early 20th century composer, was quite radically developing his own system of atonality very much independent of the Viennese School, which decidedly fell out of favor once critics established Schoenberg as 'the music of the future'. That and Mysticism was panned. If I didn't know better I would say you are articulating Scriabin's music with your last sentence.
Slightly unrelated but whats the most beautiful piece youve heard this month or even this year And then whats the most relentless, driving piece youve heard this year
@fredericfranc Perhaps because I am a pianist I am drawn to him, and I find his aesthetic appealing. He was a true artist of sound creation and emotional indulgence in the most lavish sense, and yet, never sounds vulgar, at least to me. The edge of dreams is an appealing place for me personally as it seemed to be for Scriabin. So I suppose this may sway my personal taste. Yet Lut's Piano Sonata to the right of me over there is pretty boring...like...bad Mednter. And it reeks of Rach's Sonata 2
@titusbeertsen I know, compare the popularity Scriabin to frikkin Justin Beiber and you would think anyone with average intelligence would appreciate the fact that some people actually bother to listen to, let alone love, his music.
I feel like Lutoslawski was like one Russian composer which eludes me. . .where the other composers would secretly edit his work because they thought he was, for lack of better words, slow. . .But in reality, he was actually quite genius in his musical decisions.
@fredericfranc With all respect to Witold, he can't hold a candle to the luminous genius that was Scriabin. I mean, seriously. And by the way, what's with the political comments? Can't seem to remember a time when pontificating over a piece of classical music benefited from mindless political discussion. If the Republicans need their rear ends reamed out for their ill behavior, then you, sir, need a kick to the nuts for polluting a comments section with worthless, mindless political drivel.
***** Well, I never heard a midi this good, so I doubt it. The recording has been made in a very dry acoustic, and the way the pedals are used make it even dryer, especally when it comes to phrasing and dynamics. Otherwise I think it conributes to the percussive style of the music.
Opera Et Labora Oh I heard midi recordings that were much better sonically than this. On second thought this could be a real recording. The sound is awfully strange though, certainly the dynamics have been heavily tampered with. It's a pity as this is, if not midi, playing of the highest order.
Really good it is... But as a pianist I can say that a sudden diminuendo within one note is impossible. As is the way the volume goes up and down within a passage. That's why I think the sound has been doctored. But yes it good still be a real recording after all, in which case hats off. This pair must be awfully hard to play.
I'm working with midi for more than 17 years now and I can assure you this NOT midi or any kind of soundengine generated music
just a shitty recording lmao XD
kinda unrelated but whats the most exciting piano piece you've heard this month? Mines was Hamelins prelude and fugue!
1:00 - 1:07
Colours of the chords are so satisfying
True!
brilliant. quite wonderful. thanks for sharing. a spectacular piece of music well done!!!!!
The first study is like a mix of Chopin and Ligeti !
awesome :D
At about 2:11 there's an F sharp in the right hand that is mistakenly played as F natural
go off, lutoslawski
I've just found out that Lutoslawski had the same birthday as me, so I was interested to hear some of his music!
I like it!! :-)
Me too, that's awesome! He's a great composer to share a birthday with :)
The first study remain me of the piano writing of Prokofiev in his sonatas.
The beginning of this piece reminds me of wild Pokémon battles.
やせいのピカチュがとびだしてきた！
kinda unrelated but whats the most exciting piano piece you've heard this month? Mines was Hamelins prelude and fugue!
Wow! Just fantastic!
0:00 I
2:02 II
awesome! I feel this is quite acessible modern music, because you hear a lot of logical structure in this piece. i'd love to try these one day. after Chin's Toccata.
Sounds logical
kinda unrelated but whats the most exciting piano piece you've heard this month? Mines was Hamelins prelude and fugue!
@@erwinschulhoff4464 Heh, nice question! Probably Borodin Symphony 2 Finale arranged for solo piano:
?v=_kWYQR175Zs
Also, maybe not exciting, but interesting:
Iiro Rantala - Freedom for prepared piano
?v=-jDa2-QlKmI
but yeah, Hamelin is great :) do you know his Alkan Etude?
@@erwinschulhoff4464- Stop spamming the comments!! You keep posting the same comment in almost every thread which is extremely annoying! Stop spamming, or someone will report you.
@@j.vonhogen9650 heyyy im sorry i really didnt mean to be annoying, im just really curious. Sorry if i was a nuisance to you
Amazing performance and recording.
Thanks for posting
Chopin references... Very enjoyable.
My God - this is great!
Piano was mastered to the extreme by Polish composers, no doubt about it.
Schumann, Liszt, Brahms, Scriabin, Rachmaninov, Debussy, Ravel, Ives, Bartok, Schönberg, Ornstein, Prokofiev, Ustvolskaya, Stockhausen, Ligeti to the trash !
@@arielorthmann4061 только Прокофьев русский, а не польский композитор
@@arielorthmann4061 Yes Hungarian, French and Russian do this also and German of course
Insanely wondrous!
Thank you.
Endlessly fascinating.
kinda unrelated but whats the most exciting piano piece you've heard this month? Mines was Hamelins prelude and fugue!
Beautiful discovey for me thanx a lot.
You can certainly tell that it's a study. But that doesn't detract from its musicality and force.
Awesome =)!!
Thanks for this piece, I'd not head it before.
The problem with this recording is a massive, extreme and therefor imperfect usage of a noise reducing system. It makes the piano sounds kind of artificial. Anyway, it's just excellent piano music. There's a lot of fun and wit - either if you're playing or hearing it (or composing....)
1:02 best part
George Winston needs to listen to this and get a clue . . .
Really nice playing (even if midi recording, maybe ...) and unusual studies which deserve to be better known ...
@fredericfranc Gotta love Scriabin man!
I can hear the Op. 10, 1 and I think there's some no. 4 in there as well but that's all I can get..
@fredericfranc To each his own. You must remember that Lut. died less than 20 years ago...living to a ripe old age. Scriabin not so much, and Scriabin had a massive impact on the music scene in his relatively short life.
Traditional?
As far as complexity is concerned. I would find it it equally difficult to successfully analyze any Lutoslowski work (like Symphony 2) and any late Scriabin sonata. In fact, I would probably give the edge to a late Scriabin sonata. Particularly one like No. 8 or 9.
@fredericfranc I agree with you that Lutoslawski should be heard more in performances nowadays, but I'm curious: why do you not particularly like Scriabin on the piano? Have you really listened well to his pieces? The 7th sonata took me like 10x hearing to 'get' it, and the piano concerto? Or the (to my ears) unbelievable beauty of even a little piece like his etude 2 no.1? I'm interested in your opinion, because I've never heard a true music lover (what you seem) dislike Scriabin. :)
There you got. On that site, there is a video with recording of this... There is alot of recordings on youtube.
based Lutosławski
@fredericfranc Why not? I support the TEa Party and I felt like a Little Lutoslawski would give me a break from too much Ligeti...Although I'm thiiiiiis close to going on a Scriabin binge.
You were saying?
It says composed in 1940 - 1941. I wonder, as the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto fire consumed everything both Lutosławski and Andrzej Panufnik had written and arranged to that date, and the only thing that survived was the MS of Lutosławski's Variations on a Theme of Paganini for 2 Pianos -- how is this possible? Was it a recent discovery of sorts? Thanks.
It wasn't 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising but after the fall of Warsaw Uprising (October 1944 - January 1945) when Germans destroyed most of the city. He wasn't in Warsaw during the uprising, so he probably took some of his music with him. It isn't recent discovery, because it was premiered in 1948.
it's so chromatic :D
The recording has been sped up, obviously to anyone who works with live performance recording.
Nice
Slightly unrelated but whats the most beautiful piece youve heard this month or even this year
And then whats the most relentless, driving piece youve heard this year
@@erwinschulhoff4464 most beautiful: Stephen Hough's first piano sonata, I don't have an answer to the latter
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji thanks
@@erwinschulhoff4464 Toru takemitsu is good
danke
These etudes are literally the result of reading perischettis books (with of course alot of creativity in the mix)
@fredericfranc I must say this is simply incorrect. Scriabin, being an early 20th century composer, was quite radically developing his own system of atonality very much independent of the Viennese School, which decidedly fell out of favor once critics established Schoenberg as 'the music of the future'. That and Mysticism was panned. If I didn't know better I would say you are articulating Scriabin's music with your last sentence.
🏵️☺️🌿🌵
Qué locura... pero me gusta❤
Reminds me a little of Khachaturian mixed with Chopin :D
Interesting
1:05
Slightly unrelated but whats the most beautiful piece youve heard this month or even this year
And then whats the most relentless, driving piece youve heard this year
@fredericfranc Perhaps because I am a pianist I am drawn to him, and I find his aesthetic appealing. He was a true artist of sound creation and emotional indulgence in the most lavish sense, and yet, never sounds vulgar, at least to me. The edge of dreams is an appealing place for me personally as it seemed to be for Scriabin. So I suppose this may sway my personal taste.
Yet Lut's Piano Sonata to the right of me over there is pretty boring...like...bad Mednter. And it reeks of Rach's Sonata 2
The second piece is awesome, sounds quite original. And what's all this Scriabin bashing in the comments here? :(
Who plays this! incredible! :D
So who is the pianist?
Lutoslawski: Complete Piano Music on Amazon by performer Ann Martin-Davis. It looks like you'd have to order a used copy.
this is appropriate against the backdrop of WWII, not for modern American music majors to be composing:)
@proud1421 slowly with a metronome
@jakegagne LIBRARY
@titusbeertsen
I know, compare the popularity Scriabin to frikkin Justin Beiber and you would think anyone with average intelligence would appreciate the fact that some people actually bother to listen to, let alone love, his music.
Who's the pianist? :)
marek drewnowski
Edit: ouh 8 years after...
I did not see haha xD
This song is soo difficult!!!!!
I have to play this song T_T.....how should I practise?????
Where can i find the score?
It reminds a lot of Roussel piano music...
I feel like Lutoslawski was like one Russian composer which eludes me. . .where the other composers would secretly edit his work because they thought he was, for lack of better words, slow. . .But in reality, he was actually quite genius in his musical decisions.
@proud1421 so hard:((
It's chromatic...so ask Pat Martino to give it a try.
@fredericfranc
With all respect to Witold, he can't hold a candle to the luminous genius that was Scriabin. I mean, seriously.
And by the way, what's with the political comments? Can't seem to remember a time when pontificating over a piece of classical music benefited from mindless political discussion. If the Republicans need their rear ends reamed out for their ill behavior, then you, sir, need a kick to the nuts for polluting a comments section with worthless, mindless political drivel.
I first thought this was Godowsky version of Chopin etude op 10 no 1 but then I was sevelery wrong
Clearly a midi recording. The sound and dynamic changes are totally unnatural and artificial.
***** Well, I never heard a midi this good, so I doubt it. The recording has been made in a very dry acoustic, and the way the pedals are used make it even dryer, especally when it comes to phrasing and dynamics. Otherwise I think it conributes to the percussive style of the music.
Opera Et Labora Oh I heard midi recordings that were much better sonically than this. On second thought this could be a real recording. The sound is awfully strange though, certainly the dynamics have been heavily tampered with. It's a pity as this is, if not midi, playing of the highest order.
***** sounds real to me...and really good!
Really good it is... But as a pianist I can say that a sudden diminuendo within one note is impossible. As is the way the volume goes up and down within a passage. That's why I think the sound has been doctored. But yes it good still be a real recording after all, in which case hats off. This pair must be awfully hard to play.
+Chris Breemer Yes. I'm pianist and I usually work with orchestral and piano midi. This is a midi file.
A mere technical exercise.
I can get more melody from the piano with my big toe.
rationalistx there is a melody, just isn't lyricism
said the learned fellow about Shostakovich, Stravinsky, and Schoenberg. then he put a Beatles album on and said it was nice and easy to listen to.
It's not about melody, it's about how it makes you work
Prove it bitch :)
Sounds like if Mozart had tried jazz...
Composers write studies because they haven't got the ability to compose real music.
This is just a jangle.
+john evans You don't know much about Lutoslawski, do you?
Composers like Chopin, Scriabin, Ligeti, Rachmaninoff, . . . none of it 'real' music :)