Key considerations for this stream. The Church of the East denies that Mary is the Mother of God, both verbally (although they at times concede on this to deceive people as I've shown in this stream) and in actuality. Certain theologians of their church admitted this term in a verbal sense but not in an actual sense (same as Mar Mari Emmanuel at the end). The end result of their theology, and their denial of Mary as the Mother of God is that the Eucharist is not the body and blood of God, that God wasn't crucified on the cross and rose from the dead. St. Athanasius in his letter to Epictetus explicitly says that people who do so are NOT CHRISTIANS. "And who have been so presumptuous as to say that the Christ who suffered and was crucified in the flesh is not Lord, Saviour, God, and Son of the Father?" Whosoever denies that God suffered on the cross is not a Christian. Whosoever denies that the Virgin Mary is the Mother of God is not a Christian (St. Gregory the Theologian, Letter 101), whosoever denies the hypostatic union is not a Christian. Moreover If Christ has two natures but one will as the Nestorians say, then will is proper to person, meaning that in the Trinity there are three wills and thus three gods acting and doing different things from each other. This is how destructive their Christology is. Salvation is patterned after who Christ is. If Christ only has one will, and it's the Divine will acting in Him, it means that salvation is acted by the Divine will alone, and since the will of God is for the salvation of all, this means all is saved. This is in fact the theology of two other Nestorian doctors of the Church of the East: Theodore of Mopsuestia and Diodore of Tarsus whom are UNIVERSALISTS! They attest to the fact that the Christology of the Church of the East logically leads to universalism. I also would like to note that by the end of the stream, the Monophysite and Nestorian teamed up to attack the Orthodox! This is the greatest proof that the Orthodox view is true, because it makes two diametrically opposed heretics attack us like they are brothers.
@@Giorgi755 mother of his Godliness or mother of his flesh? Jesus said before Abraham I AM. Was Mary born before Abraham? How can Mary by the mother of GOD if God has no beginning and no end? Use your brains guys. It’s not a difficult subject
@@Ashur-banipalyou do realize that Jesus is a Divine Person, and assumed Human Nature, and when He came into Creation He still remained God. This is how mary is the Mother of God. Not the Godhead. Because Jesus is God incarnate. Stop separating Him
"Tremble, mortal, as you behold the deifying Blood; For it is a burning coal consuming the unworthy. The Body of God both deifies and nourishes me; It deifies the spirit and wondrously nourishes the mind." -St Symeon Metaphrastes
Satan rejoiced with his two minions, Severus of Antioch and Nestorius, when their pupils joined hands against the Orthodox at the end of the stream. Praise the Lord, they were shut down real quick. lol
Just to clarify: he was never part of the Assyrian Church of the East, he was ex-communicated by the Ancient Church of the East in 2014, and is loosely affiliated with other bishops who separated from the Ancient Church of the East that split in 2011 when they decided to observe the Nativity of Christ on the Gregorian date but kept literally everything else on the Julian.
Oh yeah ?! Why was he excommunicated for ? For living with his mom? And wearing the head covering, using icons in church , for using a headphone and smart phone , for taking his flock to trip to Jerusalem and using Israeli flag ? Find out the truth first
Mar Mari Emmanuel : "They cannot say this is the Body and Blood of Jesus, because this is wrong." Ok man, you're the heretic here. Clearly to him "Jesus" is just picking a human hypostasis and is not synonymous with "Christ", which picks a two hypostaseis reality (Logos + Jesus). It's great when heretics actually are honest with their own theology so you can nail them easily. The same is true of the monophysites.
Please we dont belive in mono we belive in mia please stope saying that oreintals belive in mono i am ethiopian orthodox church but i have never heard or learn monophsites nor seen this teaching in our litrugy nor in our books of prayer
@@Medaaraya I simply use the term in a broad sense, which includes also "miaphysitism", which I do not like because such a compound is actually bad Greek ("henophysitism" would be more correct). I do not mean by that that Ethiopians believe the same thing as Eutyches, but I include in the notion also the theologies of Severus of Antioch, Philoxenus of Mabbug, etc. The important thing is that whether it is "mono-" or "mia" it is still heterodox to us, it is still condemned by our Church communion, so it's only a matter of "label". Orthodox faithful are not forced to use "miaphysite" because Copts or Syriacs like it better : it is not relevant. For exemple the Assyrians will complain nowadays if we call them "Nestorians", even if their christology is indeed Nestorian and that they revere Nestorius as a saint. But their complaint has no value to us, we label them what our saints have labeled them, and it is good enough for us as a label. It's quite the same logic for every label like "Arian", "Pneumatomachian", "Modalist", "Pelagian", etc. If you prefer I will call you "Severian", it is also an official orthodox label used in the Quinisext Council. If you like I will call it "Henophysitism", which is better than "Miaphysitism". But it's only a matter of taste, not really of theology : saying that Christ has only one nature (= mono) and saying that He has one nature (mia physis) is quite the same : He is not in two natures in both cases.
This is clearly a very uncharitable interpretation of what he said. He was not making a Church Council like statement, he was addressing the controversy and trying to be funny(since that's his entire internet personality and he seems to think that this attracts youngsters). So he wasn't really making an argument that the saying "this is the body and blood of God" is heretical, he was simply trying to make the point that terms and sayings could have different meanings, some might be completely Orthodox and some might be completely heretical. He has no problem with saying Theotokos as long as it is not implying that Mary gave birth to Christ's divinity. They believe in the hypostatic union and recognise the fact that the term "Theotokos" is a completely Orthodox view. Btw, he is not Assyrian Church of the East, he was excommunicated by the Ancient Church of East.
@@Medaarayathe Eastern Orthodox are false accuser haters , I wish hailesilase didn’t add the name “orthodox” on our Tewahedo church , we have nothing in common with them ጉባኤ ከለባት የተባሉት የዉሾች መናፍቃን ስም ነዉ ኦሮቶዶክስ። እንዴት እንደሚጠሉን ብታዩ።
@@theophan9530well, you all self a use just like the Protestants a used us of worshiping the blessed Virgin Mary , I don’t call my self Orthodox , and I believe the Eastern Orthodox (except the Russian) are the father of all heresy, Catholic came out of Eastern Orthodox , Protestant came out of Catholicism , whoever attended the counsel of Chalcedon is under the excommunication, for this reason I personally don’t put Russia under the same category. But you know what, please make public what you think of the Ethiopian church so they can finally get it under their skull and learn to stop using the Greek work “orthodox” we have our own equivalent, rather better name that we have used for over 1500 years.
21:41 To claim that what he says is completely wrong is cheeky, besides he is much older and certainly not just claiming something without substance for fun. You, however, are suggesting with your statement that his cognitive abilities are not up to scratch. You should take another look at the etymological meaning of the words. theophoros: theophoric from Greek theophoros theophoric (from the- + -phoros -phorous) + English -ic; theophorous from Greek theophoros A theophoric name (from Greek: θεόφορος, theophoros, literally "bearing or carrying a god") embeds the word equivalent of 'god' or God's name in a person's name, reflecting something about the character of the person so named in relation to that deity. Theotókos: Borrowed from Koine Greek Θεοτόκος (Theotókos, “the God-bearer”), from Ancient Greek Θεός (Theós, “God”) + τόκος (tókos, “childbirth”). First attested in 3rd-4th century. Cf. Christotokos. 1. (Christianity, chiefly Orthodoxy) Synonym of Mary, mother of Jesus, in particular reference to her role giving birth to God. synonyms ▲quotations ▼Synonyms: Deipara, Mother of God ps: sorry for my English God bless you Amin
And here's the LSJ definition τόκος, ὁ, (τίκτω) 1. childbirth, parturition [Parturition is the process of delivering the baby and placenta from the uterus to the vagina to the outside world.] 1b. the time of parturition; period of gestation. 2. offspring, (of men or animals); son, daughter, fry (of fish), litter (of pigs.) 2b. metaph., produce of money lent, hence interest. compound interest 2c. metaph., interest; offspring; bringing forth.
Does Acts 20:28 refute nestorianism since it says that God shed his blood? If nestorius's presupposition is that "God" refers to divine nature and "jesus" refers to human nature then this verse demonstrates the presupposition to be false.
The question is: did Mary gave birth to God: yes or no? A Nestorian would say no. A Christian would say yes. The body of Jesus Christ is the body of God.
I feel for this man who clearly is leaning on his own understanding. He does not have the counsel of wise men and is detached from the apostolic faith and Holy traditions of the Orthodox church. And to anyone brought up in the Orthodox faith, desiring to keep the faith, they will discern this much easily. May we not be deceived but instead emboldened and encouraged to remain steadfast in the faith of the one holy catholic and apostolic church of God. I pray he humbles himself to come to the Orthodox faith and grow to become a teacher and shepherd for the Orthodox Church. In the name of the Father. Son and the Holy Spirit, one God amen
“By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.” Hebrews 10:10-14 NKJV
@@RightGate3 Since when you decided it is a Greek region only? Literally every historical map shows my country within the Macedonia region, and in my city there is an ancient Macedonian city Heraclea from the first centuries. We also have the right to use this name since we were born here. My grandpa and all of his village were exiled by you guys just because they spoke Macedonian. Get right with God and then let’s debate about the name, but honestly there is nothing to debate, i will call myself however i want, that is my God given right, and you call me however you want. I have heard many insults from you. You are ignorant because my nation never used Vardaska/Skopje or whatever name you come up with. Our history is very rich and you have nothing against us. You should repent for making such great sins against my nation. You illegally terminated our Church in 1767, you seized huge portion of our land, murdered and exiled many. Repent! And get over it, Macedonians who speak Macedonian existed, exist, and will exist, God willing. Greek Macedonians exist as well, we have no issue with them or with the name. Who cares about the name? It’s not heresy if you use it. Be at peace, don’t bother about our name, it’s pointless argument.
@@RightGate3 So who are you to tell us how should we call our language? Also, can you please sit at the table with the Serbians and Bulgarians and decide who are we, since i’m a bit confused, the Bulgarian politicians call us Bulgarians, Serbian - Serbians, and you seem like you don’t want to give us any name. I mean, are we even humans enough for you? 🤣🤣🤣
@@ivansince91 yes you are and actually I have visited the country and I have bilingual friends from close the borders they don’t claim to hate Greece and they don’t claim to be one or the other. You know borders change, villages and towns if not extinct during the changes stay where they are. Political decisions are political decisions. So my friends speak freely some Slavic but feel Greek if they felt oppressed they would go to live in Skopje long time ago but stayed where they are. Ok you have to research why all this propaganda about your country being Macedonia and you Macedonians. Yes your country does include a part of the Macedonia region not the biggest by the way . But you can’t be indigenous Macedonians you’re Slavs and came to Europe in 6th century. And you speak a Slavic language. I’m not sure about Serbia perhaps the part of Kosovo, I think you’re Bulgarians with some Albanian mix.
I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East, and I would like to explain our beliefs. We confess that Jesus is one person with two natures: one divine and one human. Jesus is consubstantial with God the Father, meaning we believe Jesus is God. Additionally, we recognize Mary as the Mother of Jesus, our God. We hold no saint in higher regard than Mary; she is revered as the Queen of Heaven and Earth and is esteemed above even the angels themselves.
Thank you for commenting here, I am curious why you can say Mary is “the mother of Jesus, our God”, rather than just saying she is the mother of God. This would imply that Jesus is not *only* God but also something in addition to being God. So perhaps you would say that addition to His divinity is His humanity which is *not* God. Can you please clarify whether you hold that or something else? Thanks 🙏
@@orthochap9124 Thank you for your thoughtful question. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify our belief. When we say Mary is "the mother of Jesus, our God," we are indeed affirming that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human. This phrase underscores the two natures of Jesus Christ: His divinity, being God, and His humanity, being born of Mary. In the Assyrian Church of the East, we emphasize that while Mary is the mother of Jesus, her role pertains to Jesus' human nature. We do not mean to imply that she is the mother of His divine nature, which is eternal and uncreated. Therefore, referring to Mary as the Mother of Jesus, who is God, acknowledges her vital role in the Incarnation, where the Word became flesh (John 1:14). This formulation aligns with our Christological position, which recognizes Jesus as one person with two distinct natures, divine and human, united without confusion. It's a way of expressing the mystery of the Incarnation, affirming both Jesus' divinity and His humanity without diminishing either. I hope this explanation helps clarify our perspective. Thank you again for your interest and respectful inquiry. 🙏
@@mark_53_77 Absolutely. Glad to speak with you. It seems as though the Assyrian Church of the East understands the human nature of Christ to not be God then, only to be God by virtue of Christ God's connection to it mysteriously. Would you then say that the humanity is simply an ordinary humanity, not a divinized one? If so my response would be the only reason our humanity can be raised at all is if it is initiated into the eternality of the Godhead, which is shared with humanity in the Person of the God man (Theanthropos) and is the only reason we can have hope in the resurrection. St. Athanasius' on the Incarnation mentions some of these aspects: -He (Jesus) became what we are that He might make us what He is. -Christ was made man that we might be made God. Now, if He was not "made man", becoming truly and actually incarnate, then we have no hope or possibility of being "made what He is", only in approaching it from a distance, as it sounds like you would say about Christ's humanity since it cannot be united close enough in proximity to the Divine Word to actually be called God. Or perhaps you would say that the humanity of Christ does not become God, only that Christ God becomes flesh? To clarify, I would not say Christ has one nature, only that in the one person are two natures. By virtue of both being united in His person and His divine energies (goodness, love, etc.) being fully present within that humanity, we would say that even Christ's humanity is God. Though we would say His "divine essence" is beyond us. So we do not take the same position as the Monophysites in that sense. St. Basil's letter 234 gets into this distinction if you are curious. I am curious your response and apologies if I am misrepresenting your view.
@@orthochap9124 It’s a pleasure to engage in such a thoughtful dialogue. You’ve touched on some profound theological questions, and I'll do my best to articulate our Church's understanding. In the Assyrian Church of the East, we indeed affirm that Christ has two natures - divine and human. However, it’s important to clarify that we do not view His human nature as merely ordinary or entirely separate from His divinity. Instead, we believe in the mysterious and real union of His divine and human natures in one person. This union is without confusion, change, division, or separation, as articulated in our Christological formulations. Christ’s humanity, while fully human and not inherently divine, is uniquely and inextricably united to His divine nature. This union is so profound that we cannot speak of His humanity as just ordinary. His humanity is sanctified, elevated, and perfected by this union with the divine Word (Logos). The humanity of Christ, while not becoming divine in essence, participates in the divine life through this inseparable union. Regarding the concept of theosis (divinization), as beautifully expressed by St. Athanasius, our understanding is that through Christ’s Incarnation, humanity is given the potential to partake in the divine nature (as per 2 Peter 1:4). Christ’s taking on human nature is the conduit through which humanity can be united with God. This is not to say that humanity becomes divine by essence, but that in Christ, human nature is elevated to participate in the divine life, offering hope for salvation and resurrection. We agree that Christ’s Incarnation - His being “made man” - is central to our hope and the possibility of our transformation. The unique nature of Christ's humanity is that, while remaining fully human, it is united to the Word in a way that allows for our redemption and sanctification. I hope this provides a clearer understanding of our view. And no apologies needed; theological discussions of this depth naturally involve careful exploration and clarification. I truly believe that if this type of open dialogue took place between the Alexandria and Antioch schools 1,500 years ago we would not be in the mess that we are in today. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Mar Mari is bringing more people to Christ then anyone in the history of your church. He is proud of being outspoken. This is what Christianity needs more of
To his Nestorian Christ, maybe. I would ask Mar Mari Emmanuel the same question St. Cyril asked Nestorius: When you eat the Eucharist, are you eating the flesh of some guy?
9:27 If I understand the second line of his hymn, denying Christ's humanity, which sounds like its Aramaic (Syro) ends with "bar-enosha(m)" literally "son of man" or 'man-ling.' Pretty much the same phrase as "Son of Man" in the Holy Prophet Daniel. What do they even do when the Gospel reads "Son of Man"?
I speak Aramaic. That is not what he said at all “bar-enasha” “Nasha”, does not mean man, when we say Nasha it literally means person, and Nasheh means People. I can’t understand what he said in the beginning, his dialect is weird. However, nothing he’s saying even make sense, is he saying Christ wasn’t even a person, or Mary didn’t give birth to a person, and if that’s the case that’s not even nestorianism at that point. As someone who’s affiliated with the ACOE, and studying more upon him, he seems to be taking a weird route that isn’t consistent with ACOE or Nestorianism. He was excommunicated from the ACOE and did end up making his own church.
@@joshf7321 refusing obdience, lowkey insane (Nestorian bishop with a clear icon of Pope Kyrillos on there altar, says he had visions of angels to preach in arab).
@@richardmyers6075 If you understood there was no good reason to listen to this man in the first place then you wouldn't think there would be any sense in talk of being betrayed by him.
@@thomasburke9060 my apologies, I was being flippant when I wrote that. I do not feel betrayed. What i do feel is uncertainty. I do like many thoughts and issues Mari Mari Emmanuel speaks, however I'm not 100% convinced I should write him off as being a heretic. We're living in a time where not everything can be taken at face value.
Oh man this is such a bad take. You have no idea what you are talking about. Is your claim to that the Church of the east denies that Jesus is GOD? Bro you are either extremely misunderstood or you are purposely misleading.
Though I understand where you're coming from; the tradition had a council against nestorius so there is automatically opposition and fear of the very least prelest.
Brother our church came 400 years before Nestorius. Just because we refuse to denounce him and believe he was unjustly treated it doesn’t mean our church is built around him. Up till the 12th century the Church of the east was the largest church in the world. We spread Christianity to the entire world including china and Japan.
@@ChristianEphraimson we’re not going to be lectured about Christianity and the wording. Jesus himself spoke Aramaic. I speak Aramaic as my first language. We have been Christian from 33AD thanks to St Thomas and St Thaddeus. We refuse to be told by anyone what is and what isn’t Christianity.
@@WajikiSusan-pm8wl Imagine thinking Wikipedia is reliable lol. You do understand most teachings out there get a wrong version of his teachings? Pick up his book and see for yourself how all of his accusations were wrong “the bazaar of heracleides”
I’m listening to what you said but at the same time. Who are we to say this is what a man of God should look like. Or that he’s not using him somehow. That’s what the Pharisees said about Jesus. Also men like Paul. And the disciples they even disagreed among each other. But always reconciled. So we just need to really have to be careful what we take in .
The Catholic Church has bishops baptising and even marrying practicing homosexuals and transgenders. I agree he is pretty wrong, but there are bigger issue.
If we don't receive God in the Eucharist then we are not saved, because in this case we as humans unite ourselves with a human. But a human cannot save humanity.
From the catechism of the Assyrian church of the east page 64 “.. it is right to be called “the Mother of God,” why? Because He who is born of her is at once God and Man.” The Assyrian church of the east does not deny Mary as the mother of god. If you think this you are incorrect. The christology of the Assyrian church of the east matches that of the Eastern Orthodox. 2 natures 2 wills one sonship Seriously 1600 years later and you are still slandering over this ? Can’t we all just see that we are the same and focus our vitriol on those who deserve it …. The baptists 😊
You theology is in every respect correct. However there is a grammatical nuance I believe you missed when pulling apart TikTok Bishops theology. To “bear” a child means to “give birth” to a child.” The conception, pregnancy and delivery, are all part of bearing child.
Story behind him is there is two Assyrian church of the east There is one Assyrian Church of the East ( which I am from) and another ancient two different church but same sacraments and masses but Ancient Assyrian Church of the East is just go by old calendar and the Assyrian Church of the East goes by the new calendar which both are orthodoxy churches the Ancient Assyrian church of the east by the their Holy Synod and was discussed and decided to excommunicate him and therefore he made his own church Me coming from the Assyrian Church of the East do not partake any of him or what he says nor acknowledge him, and I’m certain aswell as ancient church of the east Assyrian Church of the East clergy patriarch bishops etc don’t behave or talk anything like that.
The Lord is risen Hallelujah and is our Last Adam in the New Creation of God. We who believe in God in the spirit are not adopted into sonship through earthly mothers., but are reborn in the spirit and by the Spirit. Our flesh is counted dead and good for nothing, God said.
I somewhat agree about funny pastors/priests/bishops. I think though the reality is that the crime is not being funny. Which is subjective. But being funny is not integral to a good sermon and is always tertiary. Better to be avoided most of the time.
The Church of the East is not the same as the "Eastern" Orthodox. Nestorius preferred the term "Christokos" and not "Theotokos" because God was never "born" because He eternally existed. Christ's deity and humanity are joined, not in hypostatic union, but in prosopic union. In Hebrews 1:3, hypostasis is used for God's person.
Yea that’s only true from the accusers, when you actually read Nestorius book “the bazaar of heracleides”, it’s crystal clear that he prefers Christokos over Theotokos for the purpose of referring to which person of the Godhead. He thought nothing wrong with theotokos other than the misinterpretation it could give off.
So I am oriental orthodox and I don’t believe in Nestorious but the beginning of your video you attack is not justified. So you are just arguing that real bishops should not teach or preach online? Come on man! Seriously??
@@zaccheusanton9470 but that’s not an argument there are bishops who are ordained but they dont have a archdiocese. For example there are bishops for youth, bishops who focus mainly on preaching the gospel to none believers. Saying he is not a bishop because he should be occupied by people is the whole issue. Because they never have time to preach and give people hope. They are just preoccupied by managerial stuff like they are employees
He has never said that. In fact, I've heard him say Christ is God multiple times on multiple videos. This is just ridiculous nit picking over language. Mother of Christ and Mother of God are essentially saying the same thing because Christ is God.
@@naikhanomtom7552 Jesus picks out the human person, Logos picks out the divine person. Christ pickes out the 1 person who is the combination of the 2 persons. That's why he can say "Christ is God", because Christ is man and God. But he wouldn't never say "Jesus is God", or "The Logos died". That's why language is so important, becuase outwardly it sounds like the same thing. But when you examine his language, it's Nestorian.
Thank you for the time you put to make this video, but it didn’t even slightly convince me that your theology is right and he is wrong. There is nothing wrong with was he says or does. You are just so filled with envy and jealousy towards him that you are mocking and ridiculing him throughout your whole video. Why Mother of Christ: Christ is the person where Divinity and Humanity unite. That’s why. May the Lord guide you and may the Lord keep blessing bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel. Amen
There's nothing inherently wrong with "Christotokos" _if_ it is meant in a way consonant with "Theotokos" as used by the Church. The problem is more so the rejection of the latter than the use of the former.
@@TerryBotela The former is typically considered Nestorian. They believe that the Logos perfectly indwelt the man Jesus to the point that there was a union of personhood. The latter belongs to the "Oriental Orthodox" tradition which is hardline Cyrillian, meaning they reject the Nestorian idea of the Logos indwelling a man, insisting instead that the Logos _became_ man, the divinity and human of the Logos being united naturally.
I agree with the stream so far, although the "Church of the East" in theology looks up even more to Theodore of Mopsuestia, whose theology is, if anything, worse than what Nestorius had to offer.
I am a coptic we are not monophysite . We are Miaphysites Lord Jesus Christ the "Incarnate Word, is fully divine and fully human, in one 'nature' (physis). If you have any evidence that we are monophysite please prove it I am waiting for your answer Besada yakoub
is Luke 1:43 the best you can do ? Psalm 110:1 The Yhwh said to my Lord "sit at my right hand till i make your enemies a footstool for your feet " Elizabeths Lord is Jesus whos LORD is Yhwh
Mar Mari has inspired more people to Praise and Glorify JESUS CHRIST then any of his critics That's the bottom line to inspire people to serve GOD ALL the critics need to shut up and stop hating
I was watching one of his sermons when looking for Orthodox videos and it felt off so I did some research and found out he is from the Church of the East which is Nestorian. Not all heresy is damnable but it can cut us away from the Church and most importantly from receiving God's grace in its fullness. I find the experience of Nepsis, Theoria, and Theosis within the Orthodox Church much more convincing than cleverly devised arguments. Heresies especially in regards to Christology can block the soul from the tried and proven ways of attaining experimental knowledge of God which is why it is not a matter of debate.
im not a fan of orthodox, esp they thought they are replacing Jews as chosen tribes n hv all their basic biblical truths wrong n also they can't understand the pre-tribulation rapture n insisted others are wrong because they themselves couldn't understand the bible
Assyrian church of the east is not nestorian please enough with this foolishness ….. and hes been excommunicated from the Assyrian church since 2014 he started his own church.
However, you won't be able to understand until you develop a deep, rather than superficial, understanding of what distinguishes Nestorianism from Christianity. "Christ is one person" is not nearly sufficient, since this has always been what the Nestorians said, all the while they also promoted a christology of the Logos coming to dwell in a distinct man. Take note especially of 1:07 in the video you linked to. Mari Emmanuel says he believes the two natures "came and united in one person". What could come and unite to something else other than a complete entity? Certainly something not yet having a concrete existence could not come and unite to anything. So, what he is saying is that the Logos came and dwelt in the embryonic Jesus, and the two were in such perfect concord that they became one person, Christ. This is classical Nestorian christology. What Christians believe, on the other hand, is that the Logos took flesh (rather than dwelt in a man) and became man (rather than united to the man to be one person). There was no convergence of entities. The Logos is the only subject at every point. There was never a distinct man.
Look. Christians come in all shapes and sizes. We are all brothers in the lord and saviour Jesus Christ. What matters is we all accept Jesus as our Lord, accepting that he died and rose again, and that God is a trinity as one God. All the other things that separate us are not soul damning differences. Breaking up Christianity and Christians' pulling down other Christians' is satans work. He wants nothing more then to keep Christians' arguing amongst themselves.
“all shapes and sizes” is a funny word for a heretic sect. sorry but this cutesy talk wont magically bring all the churches together. nestorians arent brothers. they arent brothers when they schism from The One True Church, The Catholic Orthodox Church
The problem is that the confession of Jesus as Lord, Christ, and Savior is hollow if one cannot also say that He is God, and thus that God became man, was born of a woman, and suffered and died on the Cross. The historical theology of the Nestorians has prevented them from saying these things.
Mar Mari has always professed Jesus to be God in the flesh. Do not blame the man unnecessarily. Do you people realise you are perhaps being led astray by such videos? All we need to do is listen to people who claim Jesus to be God and Christ and that He is the Son of God, He was crucified, died and buried and resurrected on the third day and is now seated in heaven by the Father's side. And Mar Mari preaches this exact thing. Don't accuse people if you don't like their denomination. Just make sure they are preaching Jesus. That's all. Be careful of videos where one Christian tries to bring down another. Pray for discernment.
You were doing fine until you arrogantly delved into St. John Paul II prayer "for the protection of Islam." You even had the temerity to call him a "heretic"! You won't even come close to St. John Paul II if he were even a fourth of the man that he is! How dare you! As with some other existing monotheistic religions, Islam may have it's shortcoming. As with the Jews, they do not believe that the Lord Jesus Chirst is The Son of God consubstantial with the Father. While Islam and Judaism are not enemies, the Lord said to pray for them (Luke 6:27-28; Matthew 5:44, and many more verses of the scripture) that they may find their ways. In fact, the scriptures says not to loathe, as what you are doing, but instead it directs you NOT to "rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles" (Proverbs 24:17). All throughtout his ministry St. John Paul II strived for the unification of the different religions (and yes, including the Orthodox church!). His call for prayer and protection is geared towards this goal as the Lord, from the first Pope St. Peter to the current papacy in the Vatican and our shepherd Pope Francis, have been commandef by the Lord to be fishers of men. They were tasked to be good shepherds, to seek out the lost sheep and leave the other 99 who are safe in the herd. Stick to what you know if you can't be shepherd of men as you will only drive and lose the entire herd away! So again I say to you, how dare you and you're arrogance!
One final thing that I will say to you is that the problem of the Orthodox Church is it's prevalent "exclusivism" and the misplaced belief that the fullness of divine revelation is suposedly to be found only in the Orthodox Church. Even you internally sometimes can't agree amongst yourselves, i.e, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc. You can't even agree as to how many fingers to use when making the sign of the cross! At any rate, your divisive and arrogant words against St. John Paul II does not only attack this man's holiness but is an afront to the entire Roman Catholic faith. Such divisive arrogance is precisely the very thing the Lord Jesus Christ spoke of in John 17:20-23: “My prayer is not for them alone [the 11 Apostles)]. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one - I in them and you in me - so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me." KEEP YOUR DIVISIVE ARROGANCE TO YOURSELF, YOU ARE NOT HELPING THE PROPAGATION OF THE FAITH!
Is Mar Mari Emmanuel nastorian? I have been listening to him when he talks about Jesus and he inspires. Though my father says he is nastorian and nastorians format believe that Virgin Mary is mother of God.
Bro Bishop Mari Mari was originally from the church of the east he was never Orthodox and he doesn’t claim to be orthodox so I don’t understand what you’re saying that his perspective of the church is from the theology of the orthodox when he is from the church of the east and not from any orthodox churches
@therealMedWhite Some of your subscribers saying that this bishop is an Oriental Orthodox bishop. Either you have failed to teach your subscribers the difference or they're confused.
You say the coptic people are monophysites, and we are not. This has been perpetuatited over the centuries as a political slander. Please do not refer to the coptic people this way. We are not monophysites. The fact you use this term means you do not know your history or theology. Thank you.
Nestorius quotes the Nicene creed to Cyril but *leaves out* "begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father" He is affirming Jesus is homoiousios (of like substance) but NOT *homoousios* (of same substance) with the Father and therefor denies the Nicene Creed and doesn't hold to the Faith of the Apostles. Please Pray for their repentance!
Why go beyond what is written with all the speculation about Mary . The earliest reference to Mary the mother of god is in the heretical gnostic writings of late 2nd and 3rd centurys
The first Adam didn't have a mother and was called the son of God. The Last Adam who is the risen Lord is The Son of God and being the first of the New Creation does not have a mother. So can you all see the parallel?
من ثمارهم تعرفونهم قال الرب وكل وعظات مار ماري قوية ولا تخرج عن نطاق معلمه الرب يسوع ومن لايجمع مع الرب فهو ضده وفي المجئ الثاني للرب سوف لا يساءلك اذا كنت ارثدوكسي او كاثوليكي او بروتستانتي او تابع للكنيسة الشرقية القديمة الكثير من الشباب الذين كانوا قد ابتعدوا عن طريق الله الكثير منهم بداؤ يسمعون الى مار ماري وهذا شئ جيد كل من ياءتي بالخراف الضالة للمسيح فاءهلا وسهلا به انه يجمع مع المسيح لا يهم اذا كان هنك خلاف كان قد حدث مع الكنيسة التي كان يخدم فيها شئ عادي الخلافات تحدث بين جماعة المؤمنين كنيستنا المشرقية القديمة بقسميها بنيت على تعاليم مار اداى الرسول لنا تاريخ وحضارة لامثيل لها كنيستنا بنيت على دم الشهداء في سبيل المسيح عانينا الضلم على يد التراك والكرد والعرب والحركات التبشيرية المتمثلة في كنيسة روما الكاثوليكية التي كانت السبب في انقسام كنيسة المشرق في شمال بلاد النهرين مستغلة النفوذ الاءستعمارالفرنسي داخل الدولة العثمانية ونفوذ البرتغالي في الهند يكفي الرشق بالحجارة على اخوة الرب😔
David, you seem like a very nice person. Unfortunately you do not understand the difference between the church of the east and Nestorianism. Nestorianism has evolved into its own demon. This is not what our Church preaches. Before attacking us why don’t you bring someone on from out church of the east and have them defend their position. This video had way too many mistakes and is extremely misleading and incorrect. I would love to come on and defend the position.
Amen brother! The Assyrian church of the East believes that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully human from the very moment of conception! And WE BELIEVE the eucharist IS the body and blood of Christ To call the Assyrian church and Assyrian people “not Christians” is a condemnation that is not for david to condemn our people! So much hatred for the Assyrian people who have been persecuted from the time of Christ till this day, and have died in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ! and some might not have your “ IQ “ but they have faith big or small they have Faith! That they have put their life for our Lord and they have Love in their hearts and not the hatred that you have against them to publicly declare them non-Christians, or the Son’s of the devil… how dare you? The sons of devils? Why? While they are our there parting? David you sure do sit at the seat of judgement…Because they stick up for their faith and church just the way you do? Mary is the mother of Christ our God, wording a sentence doesn’t make the Assyrian church believe any different to our orthodox brothers, we have nothing but love and respect for our fellow apostolic churches Mar Mari doesn’t represent the Assyrian church of the East or our priest or Bishops. Stop having a laugh and making a mockery at the expense of the Assyrian church, its our church, our beloved faith that you seem to have so much hatred towards… Go to the families of the our assyrian brothers and sister in iraq or Syria that have died in the hands of isis, have lost their homes and have their girls rapped and taken away for the sake of their faith and tell them their not Christians! Stop the nonsense! pray for unity pray for your brother in sister in christ who are dealing with unthinkable circumstances because of their faith!
@@shamiran Amen, you put it so perfectly. Our church is the sole church referred to as THE CHURCH OF MARTYRS. No one has given more martyrs for Christianity then our people and we have these guys here daring to call us heretics or non Christian’s. Shame on them and may God heal the hate in their hearts.
@@Zangified02 fair question brother. Because our churches understanding which we learned from the apostles themselves is that Mary is the mother of Christ who yes is god, but is she the mother of his Godliness or his flesh? How can Jesus Christ God the son who has no beginning and no end be born of A human? We agree that Jesus is God the son and was born of the Virgin Mary but we do not accept the wording of “Mother Of God”
@@Ashur-banipal “How can Jesus Christ God the son who has no beginning and no end be born of a human” I understand your point. another question I thought of asking is, ‘what is Mary bearing in her womb (specifically the person and nature). What would be the position of your Church?
Please don’t associate Robert Shlemon aka Mar Mari as apart of the Assyrian church of the East. He has divided himself from the Church of the East and begun his own teachings and etc. He is no longer apostolic.
Your major criticism of Nestorius must come from his correct conclusion that Self-Existent Creator God could have no mother Before His existence!! And other of his doctrines you cannot describe any more soundly than he himself, you simply have your (training?)
@@thomasburke9060 Yeah, the issue is that Nestorius is overemphasising on the heretical meaning of the sayings "God died on the Cross", "Mary gave birth to God", "Mary bore God in her womb", etc.. By this, he was not rejecting the hypostatic union, two united natures, or the fact that Christ is one PERSON. I think we all can agree that all the sayings above could have a heretical meaning if one interprets "God" as in divine nature. So the sayings would appear to be "God's divinity died on the Cross", "God's divinity has a physical body and blood", "Mary gave birth to God's divinity", "Mary bore God's divinity in her womb", etc.. But Nestorius was wrong to overemphasise on the heretical meanings and completely ignore the Orthodox meanings of the sayings. We can see that this was probably just the problem with our human behaviours and people getting less open minded and irrational as things heat up. Nestorius, himself used these terms and sayings but as time passed and the clashes got larger and more heated, he started dismissing everything. I feel like we all can understand why Nestorius started doing this. So Nestorius was just a theologian with good faith who was gradually becoming very uncharitable in his interpretations of the theology of his opponents and strawmaning them(though he actually believed that their theology was saying what his strawmaning of the theology is saying). Putting that aside, now, things have cooled down and the Church of the East recognises the Orthodoxy of these sayings and terms and uses these themselves.
The Gospel for everyone, do we forget How Many are NOT trained theologians, Trust the Spirit of Almighty God to teach those who come to Him!! Remember that wise old saying, IF A MAN CAN CONVINCE YOU OF HIS (SLANT, DOCTRINE), ANOTHER MAN CAN TALK YOU OUT OF IT!!
@@Zb-uo2bl People don't need to be trained theologians. What's important is to be guided by the hierarchy of the church established by Christ, and the the Church altogether preserve the faith that was revealed to the Apostles. The Nestorian sect is not the church established by Christ, since it has deviated from the faith of the Apostles.
@@holyromanemperor420 They don't, really, and what was underlying the errors of Nestorius wasn't simply misinterpretation of the Orthodox formulae. I don't know if you've run into this yet, but the way that the fathers of the East Syrian sect articulate their view of the Incarnation is like this: the Logos, the eternal Son of God, came to dwell in the man Jesus as His tabernacle, so that the Logos became fleshly, i.e., He resided in flesh, and the wills of the Logos and the man He indwelt were so perfectly in concord, that they were joined as one "person", this "person" being "Christ". To them, it is imperative that there being a distinct man, because otherwise they say Christ would not be fully human. This is what underlies their rejection of the teachings of Saint Cyril. And this is entirely incompatible with Orthodox Christianity. No amount of disavowal of Nestorius nor claims to believe in "one person" will come close to resolving this issue. They remain in error and the contemporary ecumenical dialogue is just doing disservice to any attempt to clarify the truth.
Tbh I think he's got good intentions just lacks knowledge and leaps to interpretation...he also has talked about the rupture as something biblical for example
I think he has problems, hence creation of his own church & self appointment as a Bishopin a schismatic church & an exotic sounding name... He comes across like a salesman, slippery
God bearer in this case from theotokos is used as from child birth not just carrying something, so I think everyone really knows this as tokos has do with child birth. I would not fuss over words so much as single words by themselves rarely ever explain a thing perfectly. It would be better had they stuck with multiple words in greek to mean Mother of God incarnate - that is more accurate.
You don't get the point Nestorianis admits Christ is Lord But not only they reject the title Mother of God They also tried to seperate Christ devinity and His Human
@@adude849 wdym by “nestorians”, I agree Nestorians separate the natures. But if by Nestorians you mean “ACOE”, I reject that notion. David even defined qnoma to mean hypostatis but Mar Babai the great strictly says it is dishonest to define Qnoma as hypostatis, person, or nature. ACOE has verbally said; even their archbishop made a 3 part video, 3 hours long, explaining their entire position, in which he even said the natures are united in Christ, and the denial of theotokos isn’t necessarily a denial for them. They actually accept the logical framework of theotokos, and to profess theotokos isn’t an issue for them. However, they prefer christokos because it specifically refers to Christ. David Erhan addresses this then says “theotokos is obviously about Christ”, but that’s the issue, what of theotokos does it “obviously” make it known about Christ without leaving the barrier of theotokos, he has to step outside of theotokos to make it known they’re referring to Christ. When they profess christokos, they are ultimately professing theotokos through their interpretation lens.
David regarding the picture in the background of the Coptic patriarch, one of mar maris priests left his schismatic church once he put that photo on the alter. Also I disagree he’s not a warm person,he is a very boastful, cunning conman. Be careful of this charlatan.
What are these bishops that you mention doing with their time? Why is this bishop with charisma a bad thing and not worthy of respect? Are you just wanting the bishop to act like your preferred temperament? When does he say Jesus is not God?
A person can still go to Heaven yet have some theological errors and also teach them. Christ said this not me. Its not recommended however as you will lose much reward from that....
Paul himself shows us it is important and appropriate to call people out and fellow brothers to beware. “This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.” - I Timothy 1:18-20 NKJV “Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works.” - II Timothy 4:14 NKJV
lots of good points, but saying you can't make a joke is just your feelings. Saying you can't have your message spread on Tik TOk is just your feelings. Kids are going to spread your message where they think it can be heard. Get off your pony. He is making a point that the kids are resonating. Your points regarding nestorianism are spot on.
Both David E. And Jay Dyer are young and full of themselves. Yes, they know their theology intellectually but are not driven by a heart transfigured through the grace of God in Christ Jesus. Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.
Instead of spreading the love of Jesus and only through him we have salvation. You are focusing to much on christological terms that doesn’t help us united as a Christians but divide us! You should be defending christianity against ISLAM brother. God bless your soul and forgive you ✝️🙏
Yah I agree with this . With the orthodox church all I hear is heresy this heresy that . They focus on the wrong things they should be focusing on Mar Mari passion for the lord and how he has brought people to him to receive salvation.
We should be united IN TRUTH. Islam is not the only problem. When the Ottoman Empire took over Greece, the faithful would say “better the Turkish turban than the Papal Tiara”, because the Muslims don’t harm the true faith, unlike the heretics who sneak in like ravenous wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing and deceive the flock in order to destroy them. The One True Church founded by Jesus Christ our One True God, is the Orthodox Church. If you look at it even just by a historical perspective you’ll realize that. Heretics divide the church, so we should all leave them and return.
He left the Assyrian church to follow doctrine. ( protestant influence ) and this is bad. if you give false doctrine you will be penalized for it and its sad because any Priiest that deceives people using false doctrines can land up in hell and in a worse part than the average sinner!!
He left the Assyrian Church because the Assyrian Church has been dictated and corrupted by the elitist house of Maliki. Go do your research to why these nationalist ideologs wanted to overthrow the Ottoman Empire to build their kingdom on earth. It's laughable as they failed miserably.
Throughout the New Testament scripture the Word who took on human flesh is called The Son of God. The title The Son of God cannot be juxtaposed with the title the Son of a Human Being Mary, why? What do I mean? It means that The Spirit of God doesn't count human relationships, since he is the Creator of all his subjects inclusive of Mary who called the Word (LOGOS) Lord, then no theology can apply a relationship of the flesh as a competing relationship that even tries to trump the relationship "The Son of God". Do mainstream churches understand why Jesus was brought forth by the Spirit, where God is Spirit (John 4:24) and Jesus also said the following, "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit and life." (John 6:63) So in conclusion no one and I mean no one can use the title the mother of God, which is derived from theology that elevates flesh by using this title as a competing and at times overriding factor to the will of the Spirit who is Life and came to give life through the adoption into sonship by The Son of God (LOGOS). Any theology that is derived from flesh according to Jesus counts for nothing. The theology of The Son of God and only The Son of God and not the son of Mary is a rock solid theology and is throughout the gospels, epistles and the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Is it not peoper to say that Jesus is one hypostasis in two natures? Is not a property of hypostasis the "who?" Who is that? That is Jesus Christ, the God-man. Jesus is a person.
the only thing that makes sense is miaphysitism(ethiopian orthodox ) we believe that christ is composite perfect GOD perfect man and we say we recieve body and blood of christ who is perfect GOD
Authentic Christianity, in contrast, tells us to reject the commandments and doctrines of men: Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ. As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. (Colossians 2:4-10)
The LOGOS before the Creation of all things, inclusive of the creation of angels and according to the Nicene Creed & John 1:1-3 is ONE in Essence/Nature/Substance/Being with the Father and is the One True God who is unchangeable by Nature/Essence/Substance/Being, because God is ONE. The Devine nature of the LOGOS cannot change in substance, for example, His nature didn't hypostasis when He dined with Abraham as The Angel of Yahweh's Presence, nor did His nature hypostasis at His incarnation, nor after His resurrection. The claim that God is fully God and fully man/angel by Nature/Essence/Being/Substance changes the One Substance of the One Triune God and scripture declares that this can never happen. The nature of God who is ONE can never be ONE hypostasis union with His Creatures. This basic 101 scriptural understanding renders the hypostasis union of God/Angel or God/Man as a violation of God's Nature. A violation of God's Nature is what the hypostasis union theological claim results in. The LOGOS took the form of an Angel, took the form of a Man, but never became hypostasis as in one substance/union/nature with His Creation.
You cannot have juxtaposition of the titles "The Son of God" and "the son of Mary". If you think these diametrically opposite titles can theologically exist in the eyes of God, then you dont understand why The Son of God came to adopt humanity into sonship with him through the Spirit rebirth. As Jesus said the flesh is good for nothing. The Spirit Rebirth is in direct opposition and in vast contrast to the fleshly birth. Jesus Christ according to God cannot be His Son and also Mary's son, because Jesus Christ can only be The Son of God and so the entire focus of scripture is on being born again of the Spirit of God, where Saint Paul counts flesh as being dead. So how can mainstream churches go against Apostolic teachings by tying the Son of God who is Lord of Heaven to the son of Mary who is flesh? In fact Paul goes to say the first Adam brought death and the Last Adam who is the risen Lord brought Life through the Spirit who quickens. If we are counted into sonship and are truly born again then we count flesh as dead and we are adopted into sonship through the Last Adam Jesus Christ. Jesus Being the Last Adam, and everyone else came through Him only, how can mainstream churches claim that he is the son of Mary, because this is not fact, as the risen Lord is the first in the resurrection and is the Last Adam, within the restored Garden of God. Jesus Christ was never the son of Adam to begin with and when he was raised from the dead, he became the first in the New Creation. If you tie the risen Lord to a fleshly relationship then you are unwittingly denying that he has been risen as the Last Adam and you are tying him to a human nature which is the Adamic sinful fallen man. The title the son of Mary is diametrically opposed to the title The Son ot God and therefore it logically follows that the mother of God title iss down right blasphemy. Hello, the Lord has risen! Either you make your relationships with the first Adam or with the Last Adam. Please choose wisely!
Mar Mari is a righteous messenger of GOD and inspires people to praise and serve JESUS CHRIST and the people who want to discredit him its they who should be under question People want to be so judgmental just like the Pharisees and the Sadducees Mar Mari sends a inspiring message period Thats the bottom line A person is either a Soldier of GOD or a soldier of satan Mar Mari is a servant of GOD If you are a Soldier of CHRIST stop criticizing him Mar Mari knows more then all his criticizers
Do you believe that Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit making her pregnant with Jesus? Do you believe that she is Jesus's earthy mother? Because both are scripture.. well he teaches that Jesus never had a mother, that Mary wasn't his mother..and from my research he also believes that Jesus didn't die on the cross..if I'm wrong I apologize..Both are heresy
Sally Harb has the best videos about and against him. She was a member of his church/community for years. Worth watching her on YT. It's SO much worse than I realised.
1. "After the union has occurred, however, we do not divide the natures from one another, nor do we sever the one and indivisible into two sons, but we say that there is One Son, and as the holy Fathers have stated: One Incarnate Nature of The Word." 2. Once again those who twist the truth are unaware that in fact there is but one incarnate nature of the Word. - St. Cyril does not deny that there are two natures, but from the divine and the human, there is "one incarnate nature of the word," terminology that Chalcedon never uses. 3. "No, each nature is understood to remain in all its natural characteristics for the reasons we have just given, though they are ineffably and inexpressibly united, and this is how he demonstrated to us the one nature of the Son; though of course, as I have said, it is the ‘incarnate nature’ I mean." 4. "So, those who say that if there is one incarnate nature of God the Word, then it necessarily follows that there must have been a mixture or confusion with the human nature being diminished or ‘stolen away’, are talking rubbish." I found interesting: "They try to avoid confessing that the Word of God is the Saviour who gave his own blood for us, and say instead that it was the man Jesus understood as separate and distinct who can be said to have achieved this." Does not Chalcedon do this, or? 5. "This objection is yet another attack on those who say that there is one incarnate nature of the Son." How can one read Chalcedon through St. Cyril's letters to Succensus, and the council of Ephesus?
thanks for posting this. and i google searched and found St. Cyril's letters to Succensus. And just dipping into it. I read "GOLD AND MUCH PRECIOUS STONES": "3. Nestorius ... he [Nestorius] concludes that the holy virgin is not the Mother of God, merely the mother of the man. 4. We maintain, however, that this cannot be the case. We have learned from the divine scriptures and the holy Fathers to confess One Son, and Christ, and Lord. This is the Word of God the Father born from him in an ineffable and divine manner before the ages, and the same one is born from the holy virgin according to the flesh, for our sake, in the last times of this age. Since she gave birth to God made flesh and made man, *for this reason we also call her the Mother of God* . There is, therefore, One Son, One Lord Jesus Christ, both before the incarnation and after the incarnation. The Word of God the Father is not one distinct son, with the one born of the holy virgin being another and different son. No, it is our faith that the very one who was before the ages is the one who was born from a woman according to the flesh; not as if his Godhead took the beginnings of its existence or was called into being for the first time through the holy virgin, but rather, as I have said, that the eternal Word is said to have been born from her according to the flesh. For his flesh was his very own in just the same way as each one of us has his own body. st-takla.org/books/en/historical-documents/patristic/cyril-to-succensus-1.html about 1/3 down the "scroll down indicator's place on the window"
Key considerations for this stream.
The Church of the East denies that Mary is the Mother of God, both verbally (although they at times concede on this to deceive people as I've shown in this stream) and in actuality. Certain theologians of their church admitted this term in a verbal sense but not in an actual sense (same as Mar Mari Emmanuel at the end).
The end result of their theology, and their denial of Mary as the Mother of God is that the Eucharist is not the body and blood of God, that God wasn't crucified on the cross and rose from the dead. St. Athanasius in his letter to Epictetus explicitly says that people who do so are NOT CHRISTIANS.
"And who have been so presumptuous as to say that the Christ who suffered and was crucified in the flesh is not Lord, Saviour, God, and Son of the Father?"
Whosoever denies that God suffered on the cross is not a Christian. Whosoever denies that the Virgin Mary is the Mother of God is not a Christian (St. Gregory the Theologian, Letter 101), whosoever denies the hypostatic union is not a Christian.
Moreover If Christ has two natures but one will as the Nestorians say, then will is proper to person, meaning that in the Trinity there are three wills and thus three gods acting and doing different things from each other. This is how destructive their Christology is.
Salvation is patterned after who Christ is. If Christ only has one will, and it's the Divine will acting in Him, it means that salvation is acted by the Divine will alone, and since the will of God is for the salvation of all, this means all is saved. This is in fact the theology of two other Nestorian doctors of the Church of the East: Theodore of Mopsuestia and Diodore of Tarsus whom are UNIVERSALISTS! They attest to the fact that the Christology of the Church of the East logically leads to universalism.
I also would like to note that by the end of the stream, the Monophysite and Nestorian teamed up to attack the Orthodox! This is the greatest proof that the Orthodox view is true, because it makes two diametrically opposed heretics attack us like they are brothers.
I like this sentence - "Whosoever denies that the Virgin Mary is the Mother of God is not a Christian"
ironic that monophysites who claim everyone they don't like is a nestorian team up with actual nestorians. they aren't sending their best.
@@Giorgi755 mother of his Godliness or mother of his flesh? Jesus said before Abraham I AM. Was Mary born before Abraham? How can Mary by the mother of GOD if God has no beginning and no end? Use your brains guys. It’s not a difficult subject
@@Ashur-banipal lol she is the mother of God.. as God, Jesus has no mother.. as a man he has mother.. it's very easy my Martin Luther friend
@@Ashur-banipalyou do realize that Jesus is a Divine Person, and assumed Human Nature, and when He came into Creation He still remained God. This is how mary is the Mother of God. Not the Godhead. Because Jesus is God incarnate. Stop separating Him
"Tremble, mortal, as you behold the deifying Blood; For it is a burning coal consuming the unworthy. The Body of God both deifies and nourishes me; It deifies the spirit and wondrously nourishes the mind."
-St Symeon Metaphrastes
Satan rejoiced with his two minions, Severus of Antioch and Nestorius, when their pupils joined hands against the Orthodox at the end of the stream. Praise the Lord, they were shut down real quick. lol
Nestorius Sure but Severus is a saint don't call him a minion of the devil
We may disagree with him, but to compare him to Satan's minions? Just plain slander. Be better.
@@BTyler808heretics are in league with Satan.
@@BTyler808listen more closely to the odes of the canons during matins then.
@@BTyler808 He defended the faith from heretics if u like it or not this is a fact
Just to clarify:
he was never part of the Assyrian Church of the East, he was ex-communicated by the Ancient Church of the East in 2014, and is loosely affiliated with other bishops who separated from the Ancient Church of the East that split in 2011 when they decided to observe the Nativity of Christ on the Gregorian date but kept literally everything else on the Julian.
Oh yeah ?! Why was he excommunicated for ? For living with his mom? And wearing the head covering, using icons in church , for using a headphone and smart phone , for taking his flock to trip to Jerusalem and using Israeli flag ? Find out the truth first
Mar Mari Emmanuel : "They cannot say this is the Body and Blood of Jesus, because this is wrong." Ok man, you're the heretic here. Clearly to him "Jesus" is just picking a human hypostasis and is not synonymous with "Christ", which picks a two hypostaseis reality (Logos + Jesus). It's great when heretics actually are honest with their own theology so you can nail them easily. The same is true of the monophysites.
Please we dont belive in mono we belive in mia please stope saying that oreintals belive in mono i am ethiopian orthodox church but i have never heard or learn monophsites nor seen this teaching in our litrugy nor in our books of prayer
@@Medaaraya I simply use the term in a broad sense, which includes also "miaphysitism", which I do not like because such a compound is actually bad Greek ("henophysitism" would be more correct). I do not mean by that that Ethiopians believe the same thing as Eutyches, but I include in the notion also the theologies of Severus of Antioch, Philoxenus of Mabbug, etc. The important thing is that whether it is "mono-" or "mia" it is still heterodox to us, it is still condemned by our Church communion, so it's only a matter of "label". Orthodox faithful are not forced to use "miaphysite" because Copts or Syriacs like it better : it is not relevant. For exemple the Assyrians will complain nowadays if we call them "Nestorians", even if their christology is indeed Nestorian and that they revere Nestorius as a saint. But their complaint has no value to us, we label them what our saints have labeled them, and it is good enough for us as a label. It's quite the same logic for every label like "Arian", "Pneumatomachian", "Modalist", "Pelagian", etc. If you prefer I will call you "Severian", it is also an official orthodox label used in the Quinisext Council. If you like I will call it "Henophysitism", which is better than "Miaphysitism". But it's only a matter of taste, not really of theology : saying that Christ has only one nature (= mono) and saying that He has one nature (mia physis) is quite the same : He is not in two natures in both cases.
This is clearly a very uncharitable interpretation of what he said.
He was not making a Church Council like statement, he was addressing the controversy and trying to be funny(since that's his entire internet personality and he seems to think that this attracts youngsters). So he wasn't really making an argument that the saying "this is the body and blood of God" is heretical, he was simply trying to make the point that terms and sayings could have different meanings, some might be completely Orthodox and some might be completely heretical.
He has no problem with saying Theotokos as long as it is not implying that Mary gave birth to Christ's divinity. They believe in the hypostatic union and recognise the fact that the term "Theotokos" is a completely Orthodox view.
Btw, he is not Assyrian Church of the East, he was excommunicated by the Ancient Church of East.
@@Medaarayathe Eastern Orthodox are false accuser haters , I wish hailesilase didn’t add the name “orthodox” on our Tewahedo church , we have nothing in common with them ጉባኤ ከለባት የተባሉት የዉሾች መናፍቃን ስም ነዉ ኦሮቶዶክስ። እንዴት እንደሚጠሉን ብታዩ።
@@theophan9530well, you all self a use just like the Protestants a used us of worshiping the blessed Virgin Mary , I don’t call my self Orthodox , and I believe the Eastern Orthodox (except the Russian) are the father of all heresy, Catholic came out of Eastern Orthodox , Protestant came out of Catholicism , whoever attended the counsel of Chalcedon is under the excommunication, for this reason I personally don’t put Russia under the same category. But you know what, please make public what you think of the Ethiopian church so they can finally get it under their skull and learn to stop using the Greek work “orthodox” we have our own equivalent, rather better name that we have used for over 1500 years.
21:41 To claim that what he says is completely wrong is cheeky, besides he is much older and certainly not just claiming something without substance for fun. You, however, are suggesting with your statement that his cognitive abilities are not up to scratch. You should take another look at the etymological meaning of the words.
theophoros:
theophoric from Greek theophoros theophoric (from the- + -phoros -phorous) + English -ic; theophorous from Greek theophoros
A theophoric name (from Greek: θεόφορος, theophoros, literally "bearing or carrying a god") embeds the word equivalent of 'god' or God's name in a person's name, reflecting something about the character of the person so named in relation to that deity.
Theotókos:
Borrowed from Koine Greek Θεοτόκος (Theotókos, “the God-bearer”), from Ancient Greek Θεός (Theós, “God”) + τόκος (tókos, “childbirth”). First attested in 3rd-4th century. Cf. Christotokos.
1. (Christianity, chiefly Orthodoxy) Synonym of Mary, mother of Jesus, in particular reference to her role giving birth to God. synonyms ▲quotations ▼Synonyms: Deipara, Mother of God
ps: sorry for my English
God bless you
Amin
And here's the LSJ definition τόκος, ὁ, (τίκτω)
1. childbirth, parturition [Parturition is the process of delivering the baby and placenta from the uterus to the vagina to the outside world.] 1b. the time of parturition; period of gestation. 2. offspring, (of men or animals); son, daughter, fry (of fish), litter (of pigs.) 2b. metaph., produce of money lent, hence interest. compound interest 2c. metaph., interest; offspring; bringing forth.
Does Acts 20:28 refute nestorianism since it says that God shed his blood? If nestorius's presupposition is that "God" refers to divine nature and "jesus" refers to human nature then this verse demonstrates the presupposition to be false.
Jesus said “I and the Father are One”.
The question is: did Mary gave birth to God: yes or no? A Nestorian would say no. A Christian would say yes. The body of Jesus Christ is the body of God.
I feel for this man who clearly is leaning on his own understanding. He does not have the counsel of wise men and is detached from the apostolic faith and Holy traditions of the Orthodox church. And to anyone brought up in the Orthodox faith, desiring to keep the faith, they will discern this much easily. May we not be deceived but instead emboldened and encouraged to remain steadfast in the faith of the one holy catholic and apostolic church of God. I pray he humbles himself to come to the Orthodox faith and grow to become a teacher and shepherd for the Orthodox Church. In the name of the Father. Son and the Holy Spirit, one God amen
Fantastic video David. Nestorians cannot be Christian nor considered as such.
Why? Because of language?
They believe Christ is God.
@@naikhanomtom7552 No they don't! That's why they are heretics!
@@naikhanomtom7552 the avoid to call Mary the Theotokos
@@Michelangelo-f6l neither was Saint Isaac the Syrian. He was Nestorian too. Shall we throw out Saint Isaac?
@@naikhanomtom7552 someone who is nestorian is not saint
Really great content again!
يا لسخافة الاءشياء التي انتم منشغلين بها
“By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.”
Hebrews 10:10-14 NKJV
Huh, all this time i this time I thought he was Miaphysite…turns out he’s a Nestorian in schism with other Nestorians. 🤷
“Tik tok bishop” - perfectly suits him! Great video brother! Greetings from Macedonia.
Skopje/ Vardaska. Macedonia is a Greek region
@@RightGate3 Since when you decided it is a Greek region only? Literally every historical map shows my country within the Macedonia region, and in my city there is an ancient Macedonian city Heraclea from the first centuries. We also have the right to use this name since we were born here. My grandpa and all of his village were exiled by you guys just because they spoke Macedonian. Get right with God and then let’s debate about the name, but honestly there is nothing to debate, i will call myself however i want, that is my God given right, and you call me however you want. I have heard many insults from you. You are ignorant because my nation never used Vardaska/Skopje or whatever name you come up with. Our history is very rich and you have nothing against us. You should repent for making such great sins against my nation. You illegally terminated our Church in 1767, you seized huge portion of our land, murdered and exiled many. Repent! And get over it, Macedonians who speak Macedonian existed, exist, and will exist, God willing. Greek Macedonians exist as well, we have no issue with them or with the name. Who cares about the name? It’s not heresy if you use it. Be at peace, don’t bother about our name, it’s pointless argument.
@@ivansince91 you don’t speak Macedonian because you don’t speak Greek but a Slavic language. You’re Bulgarian in identity crisis.
@@RightGate3 So who are you to tell us how should we call our language? Also, can you please sit at the table with the Serbians and Bulgarians and decide who are we, since i’m a bit confused, the Bulgarian politicians call us Bulgarians, Serbian - Serbians, and you seem like you don’t want to give us any name. I mean, are we even humans enough for you? 🤣🤣🤣
@@ivansince91 yes you are and actually I have visited the country and I have bilingual friends from close the borders they don’t claim to hate Greece and they don’t claim to be one or the other. You know borders change, villages and towns if not extinct during the changes stay where they are. Political decisions are political decisions. So my friends speak freely some Slavic but feel Greek if they felt oppressed they would go to live in Skopje long time ago but stayed where they are. Ok you have to research why all this propaganda about your country being Macedonia and you Macedonians. Yes your country does include a part of the Macedonia region not the biggest by the way . But you can’t be indigenous Macedonians you’re Slavs and came to Europe in 6th century. And you speak a Slavic language. I’m not sure about Serbia perhaps the part of Kosovo, I think you’re Bulgarians with some Albanian mix.
I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East, and I would like to explain our beliefs. We confess that Jesus is one person with two natures: one divine and one human. Jesus is consubstantial with God the Father, meaning we believe Jesus is God. Additionally, we recognize Mary as the Mother of Jesus, our God. We hold no saint in higher regard than Mary; she is revered as the Queen of Heaven and Earth and is esteemed above even the angels themselves.
Thank you for commenting here, I am curious why you can say Mary is “the mother of Jesus, our God”, rather than just saying she is the mother of God. This would imply that Jesus is not *only* God but also something in addition to being God. So perhaps you would say that addition to His divinity is His humanity which is *not* God. Can you please clarify whether you hold that or something else? Thanks 🙏
@@orthochap9124 Thank you for your thoughtful question. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify our belief. When we say Mary is "the mother of Jesus, our God," we are indeed affirming that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human. This phrase underscores the two natures of Jesus Christ: His divinity, being God, and His humanity, being born of Mary.
In the Assyrian Church of the East, we emphasize that while Mary is the mother of Jesus, her role pertains to Jesus' human nature. We do not mean to imply that she is the mother of His divine nature, which is eternal and uncreated. Therefore, referring to Mary as the Mother of Jesus, who is God, acknowledges her vital role in the Incarnation, where the Word became flesh (John 1:14).
This formulation aligns with our Christological position, which recognizes Jesus as one person with two distinct natures, divine and human, united without confusion. It's a way of expressing the mystery of the Incarnation, affirming both Jesus' divinity and His humanity without diminishing either.
I hope this explanation helps clarify our perspective. Thank you again for your interest and respectful inquiry. 🙏
@@mark_53_77 Absolutely. Glad to speak with you. It seems as though the Assyrian Church of the East understands the human nature of Christ to not be God then, only to be God by virtue of Christ God's connection to it mysteriously.
Would you then say that the humanity is simply an ordinary humanity, not a divinized one?
If so my response would be the only reason our humanity can be raised at all is if it is initiated into the eternality of the Godhead, which is shared with humanity in the Person of the God man (Theanthropos) and is the only reason we can have hope in the resurrection.
St. Athanasius' on the Incarnation mentions some of these aspects:
-He (Jesus) became what we are that He might make us what He is.
-Christ was made man that we might be made God.
Now, if He was not "made man", becoming truly and actually incarnate, then we have no hope or possibility of being "made what He is", only in approaching it from a distance, as it sounds like you would say about Christ's humanity since it cannot be united close enough in proximity to the Divine Word to actually be called God. Or perhaps you would say that the humanity of Christ does not become God, only that Christ God becomes flesh?
To clarify, I would not say Christ has one nature, only that in the one person are two natures. By virtue of both being united in His person and His divine energies (goodness, love, etc.) being fully present within that humanity, we would say that even Christ's humanity is God. Though we would say His "divine essence" is beyond us. So we do not take the same position as the Monophysites in that sense.
St. Basil's letter 234 gets into this distinction if you are curious.
I am curious your response and apologies if I am misrepresenting your view.
@@orthochap9124 It’s a pleasure to engage in such a thoughtful dialogue. You’ve touched on some profound theological questions, and I'll do my best to articulate our Church's understanding.
In the Assyrian Church of the East, we indeed affirm that Christ has two natures - divine and human. However, it’s important to clarify that we do not view His human nature as merely ordinary or entirely separate from His divinity. Instead, we believe in the mysterious and real union of His divine and human natures in one person. This union is without confusion, change, division, or separation, as articulated in our Christological formulations.
Christ’s humanity, while fully human and not inherently divine, is uniquely and inextricably united to His divine nature. This union is so profound that we cannot speak of His humanity as just ordinary. His humanity is sanctified, elevated, and perfected by this union with the divine Word (Logos). The humanity of Christ, while not becoming divine in essence, participates in the divine life through this inseparable union.
Regarding the concept of theosis (divinization), as beautifully expressed by St. Athanasius, our understanding is that through Christ’s Incarnation, humanity is given the potential to partake in the divine nature (as per 2 Peter 1:4). Christ’s taking on human nature is the conduit through which humanity can be united with God. This is not to say that humanity becomes divine by essence, but that in Christ, human nature is elevated to participate in the divine life, offering hope for salvation and resurrection.
We agree that Christ’s Incarnation - His being “made man” - is central to our hope and the possibility of our transformation. The unique nature of Christ's humanity is that, while remaining fully human, it is united to the Word in a way that allows for our redemption and sanctification.
I hope this provides a clearer understanding of our view. And no apologies needed; theological discussions of this depth naturally involve careful exploration and clarification. I truly believe that if this type of open dialogue took place between the Alexandria and Antioch schools 1,500 years ago we would not be in the mess that we are in today. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
I am supposed to be Eastern Orthodox but I fully aggre with your comment.
One of us might have understood something wrongly.. (it is probably me 😅😅)
Mar Mari is bringing more people to Christ then anyone in the history of your church. He is proud of being outspoken. This is what Christianity needs more of
Satan leads people to delusion, because most people do not want Christ, they want a “christ”.
Tell that to the disciples.
v dangerous teachings n just like roman catholic have changed so many things of christianity that martin ruther needs to come out ...
No + he's still a heretic.
To his Nestorian Christ, maybe. I would ask Mar Mari Emmanuel the same question St. Cyril asked Nestorius: When you eat the Eucharist, are you eating the flesh of some guy?
THANK YOU DAVID COULD YOU MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT ETHIOPIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH
What would you like to know about the Ethiopian Tewahedo Church ?
Good video brother
9:27 If I understand the second line of his hymn, denying Christ's humanity, which sounds like its Aramaic (Syro) ends with "bar-enosha(m)" literally "son of man" or 'man-ling.' Pretty much the same phrase as "Son of Man" in the Holy Prophet Daniel. What do they even do when the Gospel reads "Son of Man"?
v dangerous teachings
I speak Aramaic. That is not what he said at all “bar-enasha”
“Nasha”, does not mean man, when we say Nasha it literally means person, and Nasheh means People.
I can’t understand what he said in the beginning, his dialect is weird. However, nothing he’s saying even make sense, is he saying Christ wasn’t even a person, or Mary didn’t give birth to a person, and if that’s the case that’s not even nestorianism at that point.
As someone who’s affiliated with the ACOE, and studying more upon him, he seems to be taking a weird route that isn’t consistent with ACOE or Nestorianism.
He was excommunicated from the ACOE and did end up making his own church.
Sorry, but this guy isn't a part of our Assyrian church, as he was excommunicated. Our bishops don't carry themselves like that.
Do you know why he was excommunicated?
@@joshf7321 Yes, for his behaviour and other controversies.
@@joshf7321 refusing obdience, lowkey insane (Nestorian bishop with a clear icon of Pope Kyrillos on there altar, says he had visions of angels to preach in arab).
Kyrillos as in the Copt?!?!?
But assyrian church believes the same.
Mary is not mother of god.
Broke my heart. I can’t believe this.
Mar Mari, why?
He's part of a theological tradition that has been this way for about 1600 years. There's no sense in acting as if you've been betrayed.
@@thomasburke9060 We've been betrayed I tell you! Betrayed! We need to shout it all over! Yes?
@@richardmyers6075 If you understood there was no good reason to listen to this man in the first place then you wouldn't think there would be any sense in talk of being betrayed by him.
@@thomasburke9060 my apologies, I was being flippant when I wrote that. I do not feel betrayed. What i do feel is uncertainty. I do like many thoughts and issues Mari Mari Emmanuel speaks, however I'm not 100% convinced I should write him off as being a heretic. We're living in a time where not everything can be taken at face value.
@@richardmyers6075 If it's the spawn of a duck and it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck, even if it insists it's not a duck.
God bless bishop Mari to bring more people close to Jesus, May God bless you too,,,
He has no clue who Jesus is.
He believes in a different Jesus
Oh man this is such a bad take. You have no idea what you are talking about. Is your claim to that the Church of the east denies that Jesus is GOD? Bro you are either extremely misunderstood or you are purposely misleading.
Though I understand where you're coming from; the tradition had a council against nestorius so there is automatically opposition and fear of the very least prelest.
Bro even Wikipedia says you guy profess nestorius teachings.
Brother our church came 400 years before Nestorius. Just because we refuse to denounce him and believe he was unjustly treated it doesn’t mean our church is built around him. Up till the 12th century the Church of the east was the largest church in the world. We spread Christianity to the entire world including china and Japan.
@@ChristianEphraimson we’re not going to be lectured about Christianity and the wording. Jesus himself spoke Aramaic. I speak Aramaic as my first language. We have been Christian from 33AD thanks to St Thomas and St Thaddeus. We refuse to be told by anyone what is and what isn’t Christianity.
@@WajikiSusan-pm8wl Imagine thinking Wikipedia is reliable lol. You do understand most teachings out there get a wrong version of his teachings? Pick up his book and see for yourself how all of his accusations were wrong “the bazaar of heracleides”
I’m listening to what you said but at the same time. Who are we to say this is what a man of God should look like. Or that he’s not using him somehow. That’s what the Pharisees said about Jesus. Also men like Paul. And the disciples they even disagreed among each other. But always reconciled. So we just need to really have to be careful what we take in .
What is his view on the Filioque? And Transubcistentism of The Holy Eucharist?
The Catholic Church has bishops baptising and even marrying practicing homosexuals and transgenders. I agree he is pretty wrong, but there are bigger issue.
True
If we don't receive God in the Eucharist then we are not saved, because in this case we as humans unite ourselves with a human. But a human cannot save humanity.
From the catechism of the Assyrian church of the east page 64
“.. it is right to be called “the Mother of God,” why? Because He who is born of her is at once God and Man.”
The Assyrian church of the east does not deny Mary as the mother of god. If you think this you are incorrect.
The christology of the Assyrian church of the east matches that of the Eastern Orthodox. 2 natures 2 wills one sonship
Seriously 1600 years later and you are still slandering over this ?
Can’t we all just see that we are the same and focus our vitriol on those who deserve it …. The baptists 😊
You theology is in every respect correct. However there is a grammatical nuance I believe you missed when pulling apart TikTok Bishops theology. To “bear” a child means to “give birth” to a child.” The conception, pregnancy and delivery, are all part of bearing child.
Story behind him is there is two Assyrian church of the east
There is one Assyrian Church of the East ( which I am from) and another ancient two different church but same sacraments and masses but Ancient Assyrian Church of the East is just go by old calendar and the Assyrian Church of the East goes by the new calendar which both are orthodoxy churches
the Ancient Assyrian church of the east by the their Holy Synod and was discussed and decided to excommunicate him and therefore he made his own church
Me coming from the Assyrian Church of the East do not partake any of him or what he says nor acknowledge him, and I’m certain aswell as ancient church of the east
Assyrian Church of the East clergy patriarch bishops etc don’t behave or talk anything like that.
This is from their book too lol, they all have it
How he is wrong, bro can you talk me?
The Lord is risen Hallelujah and is our Last Adam in the New Creation of God. We who believe in God in the spirit are not adopted into sonship through earthly mothers., but are reborn in the spirit and by the Spirit. Our flesh is counted dead and good for nothing, God said.
Greatly appreciated it. Thank you! God bless!
I would welcome a debate on the logic behind The Real Christ with anyone, anytime. Blessings upon us all!
I somewhat agree about funny pastors/priests/bishops. I think though the reality is that the crime is not being funny. Which is subjective. But being funny is not integral to a good sermon and is always tertiary. Better to be avoided most of the time.
isn't Christ God? what's the issue? I've also seen video of him saying Jesus. is one person not 2
The Nestorians always said that Christ is one person all the while they taught that the Incarnation meant to them the Logos coming to dwell in a man.
This was a great stream
The Church of the East is not the same as the "Eastern" Orthodox. Nestorius preferred the term "Christokos" and not "Theotokos" because God was never "born" because He eternally existed. Christ's deity and humanity are joined, not in hypostatic union, but in prosopic union. In Hebrews 1:3, hypostasis is used for God's person.
Yea that’s only true from the accusers, when you actually read Nestorius book “the bazaar of heracleides”, it’s crystal clear that he prefers Christokos over Theotokos for the purpose of referring to which person of the Godhead. He thought nothing wrong with theotokos other than the misinterpretation it could give off.
If that is what you understand 'hypostasis' to mean, then it's entirely appropriate to affirm the hypostatic union, since God became man.
So I am oriental orthodox and I don’t believe in Nestorious but the beginning of your video you attack is not justified. So you are just arguing that real bishops should not teach or preach online? Come on man! Seriously??
He's saying that Bishops are normally too preocccupied with day to day issues of parishes and ecclesial matters to be concerned with online arguments.
@@zaccheusanton9470 but that’s not an argument there are bishops who are ordained but they dont have a archdiocese. For example there are bishops for youth, bishops who focus mainly on preaching the gospel to none believers. Saying he is not a bishop because he should be occupied by people is the whole issue. Because they never have time to preach and give people hope. They are just preoccupied by managerial stuff like they are employees
@@Faithzakerhe’s not a bishop because he’s not Orthodox. A bishop is someone who oversees a flock, this individual has no flock
When did the bishop say Jesus is not God?
He has never said that. In fact, I've heard him say Christ is God multiple times on multiple videos.
This is just ridiculous nit picking over language.
Mother of Christ and Mother of God are essentially saying the same thing because Christ is God.
@@naikhanomtom7552 Jesus picks out the human person, Logos picks out the divine person. Christ pickes out the 1 person who is the combination of the 2 persons.
That's why he can say "Christ is God", because Christ is man and God. But he wouldn't never say "Jesus is God", or "The Logos died".
That's why language is so important, becuase outwardly it sounds like the same thing. But when you examine his language, it's Nestorian.
@@olubunmiolumuyiwa so he shares the same opinion as St Isaac then...
@@naikhanomtom7552 satan boes not let him call Mary the Theotokos
Thank you for the time you put to make this video, but it didn’t even slightly convince me that your theology is right and he is wrong.
There is nothing wrong with was he says or does. You are just so filled with envy and jealousy towards him that you are mocking and ridiculing him throughout your whole video.
Why Mother of Christ:
Christ is the person where Divinity and Humanity unite.
That’s why.
May the Lord guide you and may the Lord keep blessing bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel. Amen
...lol
There's nothing inherently wrong with "Christotokos" _if_ it is meant in a way consonant with "Theotokos" as used by the Church. The problem is more so the rejection of the latter than the use of the former.
Is the church of the East similar to Malankan Indian church?
No, the christologies are opposite.
@@thomasburke9060 ok please explain...
@@TerryBotela The former is typically considered Nestorian. They believe that the Logos perfectly indwelt the man Jesus to the point that there was a union of personhood. The latter belongs to the "Oriental Orthodox" tradition which is hardline Cyrillian, meaning they reject the Nestorian idea of the Logos indwelling a man, insisting instead that the Logos _became_ man, the divinity and human of the Logos being united naturally.
@@thomasburke9060Your comment is very well put
I agree with the stream so far, although the "Church of the East" in theology looks up even more to Theodore of Mopsuestia, whose theology is, if anything, worse than what Nestorius had to offer.
He's a Saint in ur church
You’re ignorant!!!
@@theinternetdectetive9053 who’s church?
What????
Do you actually know who he was, or have you just been repeating what other told you of Theodore of Mopsuete?
I am a coptic we are not monophysite .
We are Miaphysites
Lord Jesus Christ
the "Incarnate Word, is fully divine and fully human, in one 'nature' (physis).
If you have any evidence that we are monophysite please prove it
I am waiting for your answer
Besada yakoub
1. How many natures do you believe Christ has?
2. What does "mono" mean?
@@mitch0990mono means single. Mia means one (fem.) , both Greek. Physis means nature
@@RightGate3 and do you believe Christ has a single, theanthropic, nature?
@@mitch0990 We believe in one incarnate nature of the Word
@@abanoubkamal822 that's not what I asked
is Luke 1:43 the best you can do ? Psalm 110:1 The Yhwh said to my Lord "sit at my right hand till i make your enemies a footstool for your feet " Elizabeths Lord is Jesus whos LORD is Yhwh
As a holy Trinity Greek orthodox I kind of disagree because I want it it doesn't make the service boring as it is but Is the Divine liturgy ☦️😇
Mar Mari has inspired more people to Praise and Glorify
JESUS CHRIST
then any of his critics
That's the bottom line
to inspire people to serve GOD
ALL the critics need to shut up and stop hating
No one is hating. They are simply pointing out his erroneous teaching
lol
His Assyrian is weird, somethings off about the video. Not sure if it was a bad translation or possibly, an edit.
Thanks David, God bless!
I was watching one of his sermons when looking for Orthodox videos and it felt off so I did some research and found out he is from the Church of the East which is Nestorian.
Not all heresy is damnable but it can cut us away from the Church and most importantly from receiving God's grace in its fullness. I find the experience of Nepsis, Theoria, and Theosis within the Orthodox Church much more convincing than cleverly devised arguments. Heresies especially in regards to Christology can block the soul from the tried and proven ways of attaining experimental knowledge of God which is why it is not a matter of debate.
im not a fan of orthodox, esp they thought they are replacing Jews as chosen tribes n hv all their basic biblical truths wrong n also they can't understand the pre-tribulation rapture n insisted others are wrong because they themselves couldn't understand the bible
Assyrian church of the east is not nestorian please enough with this foolishness ….. and hes been excommunicated from the Assyrian church since 2014 he started his own church.
So confusing, can someone explain how he is a nestorian if he said the following: ua-cam.com/video/Mc_UPBqOioo/v-deo.htmlsi=LLCsF6CXdMQufVCJ
Erhan explains this in the video.
However, you won't be able to understand until you develop a deep, rather than superficial, understanding of what distinguishes Nestorianism from Christianity. "Christ is one person" is not nearly sufficient, since this has always been what the Nestorians said, all the while they also promoted a christology of the Logos coming to dwell in a distinct man.
Take note especially of 1:07 in the video you linked to. Mari Emmanuel says he believes the two natures "came and united in one person". What could come and unite to something else other than a complete entity? Certainly something not yet having a concrete existence could not come and unite to anything. So, what he is saying is that the Logos came and dwelt in the embryonic Jesus, and the two were in such perfect concord that they became one person, Christ. This is classical Nestorian christology.
What Christians believe, on the other hand, is that the Logos took flesh (rather than dwelt in a man) and became man (rather than united to the man to be one person). There was no convergence of entities. The Logos is the only subject at every point. There was never a distinct man.
Look. Christians come in all shapes and sizes. We are all brothers in the lord and saviour Jesus Christ. What matters is we all accept Jesus as our Lord, accepting that he died and rose again, and that God is a trinity as one God. All the other things that separate us are not soul damning differences. Breaking up Christianity and Christians' pulling down other Christians' is satans work. He wants nothing more then to keep Christians' arguing amongst themselves.
“all shapes and sizes” is a funny word for a heretic sect. sorry but this cutesy talk wont magically bring all the churches together.
nestorians arent brothers. they arent brothers when they schism from The One True Church, The Catholic Orthodox Church
Amen
Ecumenism is also a heresy
The problem is that the confession of Jesus as Lord, Christ, and Savior is hollow if one cannot also say that He is God, and thus that God became man, was born of a woman, and suffered and died on the Cross. The historical theology of the Nestorians has prevented them from saying these things.
Mar Mari has always professed Jesus to be God in the flesh. Do not blame the man unnecessarily. Do you people realise you are perhaps being led astray by such videos? All we need to do is listen to people who claim Jesus to be God and Christ and that He is the Son of God, He was crucified, died and buried and resurrected on the third day and is now seated in heaven by the Father's side. And Mar Mari preaches this exact thing. Don't accuse people if you don't like their denomination. Just make sure they are preaching Jesus. That's all. Be careful of videos where one Christian tries to bring down another. Pray for discernment.
You were doing fine until you arrogantly delved into St. John Paul II prayer "for the protection of Islam." You even had the temerity to call him a "heretic"! You won't even come close to St. John Paul II if he were even a fourth of the man that he is! How dare you!
As with some other existing monotheistic religions, Islam may have it's shortcoming. As with the Jews, they do not believe that the Lord Jesus Chirst is The Son of God consubstantial with the Father. While Islam and Judaism are not enemies, the Lord said to pray for them (Luke 6:27-28; Matthew 5:44, and many more verses of the scripture) that they may find their ways. In fact, the scriptures says not to loathe, as what you are doing, but instead it directs you NOT to "rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles" (Proverbs 24:17).
All throughtout his ministry St. John Paul II strived for the unification of the different religions (and yes, including the Orthodox church!). His call for prayer and protection is geared towards this goal as the Lord, from the first Pope St. Peter to the current papacy in the Vatican and our shepherd Pope Francis, have been commandef by the Lord to be fishers of men. They were tasked to be good shepherds, to seek out the lost sheep and leave the other 99 who are safe in the herd.
Stick to what you know if you can't be shepherd of men as you will only drive and lose the entire herd away!
So again I say to you, how dare you and you're arrogance!
One final thing that I will say to you is that the problem of the Orthodox Church is it's prevalent "exclusivism" and the misplaced belief that the fullness of divine revelation is suposedly to be found only in the Orthodox Church. Even you internally sometimes can't agree amongst yourselves, i.e, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc. You can't even agree as to how many fingers to use when making the sign of the cross!
At any rate, your divisive and arrogant words against St. John Paul II does not only attack this man's holiness but is an afront to the entire Roman Catholic faith. Such divisive arrogance is precisely the very thing the Lord Jesus Christ spoke of in John 17:20-23: “My prayer is not for them alone [the 11 Apostles)]. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one - I in them and you in me - so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."
KEEP YOUR DIVISIVE ARROGANCE TO YOURSELF, YOU ARE NOT HELPING THE PROPAGATION OF THE FAITH!
Calm it down cornball
Unity under the Pope you mean....
@@Durnyful
You didn't seem to understand a single word I said. Try again!
@elvinreyes9344 Actually I did.
Is Mar Mari Emmanuel nastorian? I have been listening to him when he talks about Jesus and he inspires. Though my father says he is nastorian and nastorians format believe that Virgin Mary is mother of God.
Bro Bishop Mari Mari was originally from the church of the east he was never Orthodox and he doesn’t claim to be orthodox so I don’t understand what you’re saying that his perspective of the church is from the theology of the orthodox when he is from the church of the east and not from any orthodox churches
Love your videos David. ☦️
Thank you for speaking Truth my brother in Christ 🙏☦️
many christians esp catholic can't discern the truth from lies!
18:19 yeah it make sense in Turkish but i think in English they call it being charming or charismatic
We can't and should not condemn anyone.
@therealMedWhite Some of your subscribers saying that this bishop is an Oriental Orthodox bishop. Either you have failed to teach your subscribers the difference or they're confused.
You say the coptic people are monophysites, and we are not. This has been perpetuatited over the centuries as a political slander. Please do not refer to the coptic people this way.
We are not monophysites. The fact you use this term means you do not know your history or theology. Thank you.
Why does Assyrian orthodox don’t reference themselves as oriental orthodox. ?
Nestorius quotes the Nicene creed to Cyril but *leaves out* "begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father"
He is affirming Jesus is homoiousios (of like substance) but NOT *homoousios* (of same substance) with the Father and therefor denies the Nicene Creed and doesn't hold to the Faith of the Apostles. Please Pray for their repentance!
Why go beyond what is written with all the speculation about Mary . The earliest reference to Mary the mother of god is in the heretical gnostic writings of late 2nd and 3rd centurys
The first Adam didn't have a mother and was called the son of God. The Last Adam who is the risen Lord is The Son of God and being the first of the New Creation does not have a mother. So can you all see the parallel?
Pardon.... I think Mary gave birth to Him..... a minor difference!
من ثمارهم تعرفونهم قال الرب وكل وعظات مار ماري قوية ولا تخرج عن نطاق معلمه الرب يسوع ومن لايجمع مع الرب فهو ضده وفي المجئ الثاني للرب سوف لا يساءلك اذا كنت ارثدوكسي او كاثوليكي او بروتستانتي او تابع للكنيسة الشرقية القديمة الكثير من الشباب الذين كانوا قد ابتعدوا عن طريق الله الكثير منهم بداؤ يسمعون الى مار ماري وهذا شئ جيد كل من ياءتي بالخراف الضالة للمسيح فاءهلا وسهلا به انه يجمع مع المسيح لا يهم اذا كان هنك خلاف كان قد حدث مع الكنيسة التي كان يخدم فيها شئ عادي الخلافات تحدث بين جماعة المؤمنين كنيستنا المشرقية القديمة بقسميها بنيت على تعاليم مار اداى الرسول لنا تاريخ وحضارة لامثيل لها كنيستنا بنيت على دم الشهداء في سبيل المسيح عانينا الضلم على يد التراك والكرد والعرب والحركات التبشيرية المتمثلة في كنيسة روما الكاثوليكية التي كانت السبب في انقسام كنيسة المشرق في شمال بلاد النهرين مستغلة النفوذ الاءستعمارالفرنسي داخل الدولة العثمانية ونفوذ البرتغالي في الهند يكفي الرشق بالحجارة على اخوة الرب😔
David, you seem like a very nice person. Unfortunately you do not understand the difference between the church of the east and Nestorianism. Nestorianism has evolved into its own demon. This is not what our Church preaches. Before attacking us why don’t you bring someone on from out church of the east and have them defend their position. This video had way too many mistakes and is extremely misleading and incorrect. I would love to come on and defend the position.
Amen brother! The Assyrian church of the East believes that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully human from the very moment of conception! And WE BELIEVE the eucharist IS the body and blood of Christ
To call the Assyrian church and Assyrian people “not Christians” is a condemnation that is not for david to condemn our people! So much hatred for the Assyrian people who have been persecuted from the time of Christ till this day, and have died in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ! and some might not have your “ IQ “ but they have faith big or small they have Faith! That they have put their life for our Lord and they have Love in their hearts and not the hatred that you have against them to publicly declare them non-Christians, or the Son’s of the devil… how dare you?
The sons of devils? Why?
While they are our there parting?
David you sure do sit at the seat of judgement…Because they stick up for their faith and church just the way you do?
Mary is the mother of Christ our God, wording a sentence doesn’t make the Assyrian church believe any different to our orthodox brothers, we have nothing but love and respect for our fellow apostolic churches
Mar Mari doesn’t represent the Assyrian church of the East or our priest or Bishops.
Stop having a laugh and making a mockery at the expense of the Assyrian church, its our church, our beloved faith that you seem to have so much hatred towards…
Go to the families of the our assyrian brothers and sister in iraq or Syria that have died in the hands of isis, have lost their homes and have their girls rapped and taken away for the sake of their faith and tell them their not Christians! Stop the nonsense! pray for unity pray for your brother in sister in christ who are dealing with unthinkable circumstances because of their faith!
@@shamiran Amen, you put it so perfectly. Our church is the sole church referred to as THE CHURCH OF MARTYRS. No one has given more martyrs for Christianity then our people and we have these guys here daring to call us heretics or non Christian’s. Shame on them and may God heal the hate in their hearts.
@@Ashur-banipalhow come your Apostolic church doesn’t say Mary is the Mother of God? I am very ignorant on the subject
@@Zangified02 fair question brother. Because our churches understanding which we learned from the apostles themselves is that Mary is the mother of Christ who yes is god, but is she the mother of his Godliness or his flesh? How can Jesus Christ God the son who has no beginning and no end be born of A human? We agree that Jesus is God the son and was born of the Virgin Mary but we do not accept the wording of “Mother Of God”
@@Ashur-banipal “How can Jesus Christ God the son who has no beginning and no end be born of a human”
I understand your point. another question I thought of asking is, ‘what is Mary bearing in her womb (specifically the person and nature). What would be the position of your Church?
Please don’t associate Robert Shlemon aka Mar Mari as apart of the Assyrian church of the East. He has divided himself from the Church of the East and begun his own teachings and etc. He is no longer apostolic.
Is Robert Shlemon his real name?
@@myrddingwynedd2751 Yea it is
@@AryaXVII 🙄😁
Your major criticism of Nestorius must come from his correct conclusion that Self-Existent Creator God could have no mother Before His existence!! And other of his doctrines you cannot describe any more soundly than he himself, you simply have your (training?)
Nestorius also denied that God suffered and died on the Cross, so clearly the issue is not just of God being prior to the Theotokos.
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Yeah, the issue is that Nestorius is overemphasising on the heretical meaning of the sayings "God died on the Cross", "Mary gave birth to God", "Mary bore God in her womb", etc..
By this, he was not rejecting the hypostatic union, two united natures, or the fact that Christ is one PERSON.
I think we all can agree that all the sayings above could have a heretical meaning if one interprets "God" as in divine nature. So the sayings would appear to be "God's divinity died on the Cross", "God's divinity has a physical body and blood", "Mary gave birth to God's divinity", "Mary bore God's divinity in her womb", etc..
But Nestorius was wrong to overemphasise on the heretical meanings and completely ignore the Orthodox meanings of the sayings.
We can see that this was probably just the problem with our human behaviours and people getting less open minded and irrational as things heat up. Nestorius, himself used these terms and sayings but as time passed and the clashes got larger and more heated, he started dismissing everything. I feel like we all can understand why Nestorius started doing this.
So Nestorius was just a theologian with good faith who was gradually becoming very uncharitable in his interpretations of the theology of his opponents and strawmaning them(though he actually believed that their theology was saying what his strawmaning of the theology is saying).
Putting that aside, now, things have cooled down and the Church of the East recognises the Orthodoxy of these sayings and terms and uses these themselves.
The Gospel for everyone, do we forget How Many are NOT trained theologians, Trust the Spirit of Almighty God to teach those who come to Him!! Remember that wise old saying, IF A MAN CAN CONVINCE YOU OF HIS (SLANT, DOCTRINE), ANOTHER MAN CAN TALK YOU OUT OF IT!!
@@Zb-uo2bl People don't need to be trained theologians. What's important is to be guided by the hierarchy of the church established by Christ, and the the Church altogether preserve the faith that was revealed to the Apostles. The Nestorian sect is not the church established by Christ, since it has deviated from the faith of the Apostles.
@@holyromanemperor420 They don't, really, and what was underlying the errors of Nestorius wasn't simply misinterpretation of the Orthodox formulae. I don't know if you've run into this yet, but the way that the fathers of the East Syrian sect articulate their view of the Incarnation is like this: the Logos, the eternal Son of God, came to dwell in the man Jesus as His tabernacle, so that the Logos became fleshly, i.e., He resided in flesh, and the wills of the Logos and the man He indwelt were so perfectly in concord, that they were joined as one "person", this "person" being "Christ". To them, it is imperative that there being a distinct man, because otherwise they say Christ would not be fully human. This is what underlies their rejection of the teachings of Saint Cyril. And this is entirely incompatible with Orthodox Christianity. No amount of disavowal of Nestorius nor claims to believe in "one person" will come close to resolving this issue. They remain in error and the contemporary ecumenical dialogue is just doing disservice to any attempt to clarify the truth.
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt. 24:23
IC XC
NI KA
Tbh I think he's got good intentions just lacks knowledge and leaps to interpretation...he also has talked about the rupture as something biblical for example
I think he has problems, hence creation of his own church & self appointment as a Bishopin a schismatic church & an exotic sounding name...
He comes across like a salesman, slippery
bro got excommunicated because of his nestorius ideals
Surely that's not the case. He's never not been a member of a Nestorian sect.
there is no nestorian sects anymore but he exxocommunicated for many things@@thomasburke9060
God bearer in this case from theotokos is used as from child birth not just carrying something, so I think everyone really knows this as tokos has do with child birth. I would not fuss over words so much as single words by themselves rarely ever explain a thing perfectly. It would be better had they stuck with multiple words in greek to mean Mother of God incarnate - that is more accurate.
why do you not consider the oriental orthodox as an orthodox christian?
They rejected most of the later Ecumenical Councils.
You are wrong he’s saying Mary give birth to God who is Jesus
You don't get the point
Nestorianis admits Christ is Lord
But not only they reject the title Mother of God
They also tried to seperate Christ devinity and His Human
@@adude849 wdym by “nestorians”, I agree Nestorians separate the natures. But if by Nestorians you mean “ACOE”, I reject that notion. David even defined qnoma to mean hypostatis but Mar Babai the great strictly says it is dishonest to define Qnoma as hypostatis, person, or nature. ACOE has verbally said; even their archbishop made a 3 part video, 3 hours long, explaining their entire position, in which he even said the natures are united in Christ, and the denial of theotokos isn’t necessarily a denial for them. They actually accept the logical framework of theotokos, and to profess theotokos isn’t an issue for them. However, they prefer christokos because it specifically refers to Christ. David Erhan addresses this then says “theotokos is obviously about Christ”, but that’s the issue, what of theotokos does it “obviously” make it known about Christ without leaving the barrier of theotokos, he has to step outside of theotokos to make it known they’re referring to Christ. When they profess christokos, they are ultimately professing theotokos through their interpretation lens.
David regarding the picture in the background of the Coptic patriarch, one of mar maris priests left his schismatic church once he put that photo on the alter. Also I disagree he’s not a warm person,he is a very boastful, cunning conman. Be careful of this charlatan.
Dang, he's got a voice!
What are these bishops that you mention doing with their time? Why is this bishop with charisma a bad thing and not worthy of respect? Are you just wanting the bishop to act like your preferred temperament? When does he say Jesus is not God?
A person can still go to Heaven yet have some theological errors and also teach them. Christ said this not me. Its not recommended however as you will lose much reward from that....
Denying that the man Jesus is the eternal Son of God is not in that class of errors, however. It's a salvation-nullifying heresy.
This isn't a homily, this is a one man show by a stand-up comedian.
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Paul himself shows us it is important and appropriate to call people out and fellow brothers to beware.
“This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.”
- I Timothy 1:18-20 NKJV
“Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works.”
- II Timothy 4:14 NKJV
lots of good points, but saying you can't make a joke is just your feelings. Saying you can't have your message spread on Tik TOk is just your feelings.
Kids are going to spread your message where they think it can be heard. Get off your pony. He is making a point that the kids are resonating.
Your points regarding nestorianism are spot on.
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
Both David E. And Jay Dyer are young and full of themselves. Yes, they know their theology intellectually but are not driven by a heart transfigured through the grace of God in Christ Jesus. Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.
Instead of spreading the love of Jesus and only through him we have salvation. You are focusing to much on christological terms that doesn’t help us united as a Christians but divide us! You should be defending christianity against ISLAM brother. God bless your soul and forgive you ✝️🙏
Yah I agree with this . With the orthodox church all I hear is heresy this heresy that . They focus on the wrong things they should be focusing on Mar Mari passion for the lord and how he has brought people to him to receive salvation.
@@DuduzileNdlovu-bl9opwhy do u think the councils exist. they were bc of heresies, its been like this since the Council fo Jerusalem. whats the issue?
There's no Christianity if God was not born of the Holy Theotokos.
@@DuduzileNdlovu-bl9opThe Bible also speaks about heresies when talking about sins that barr people from heaven.
We should be united IN TRUTH. Islam is not the only problem. When the Ottoman Empire took over Greece, the faithful would say “better the Turkish turban than the Papal Tiara”, because the Muslims don’t harm the true faith, unlike the heretics who sneak in like ravenous wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing and deceive the flock in order to destroy them. The One True Church founded by Jesus Christ our One True God, is the Orthodox Church. If you look at it even just by a historical perspective you’ll realize that. Heretics divide the church, so we should all leave them and return.
He left the Assyrian church to follow doctrine. ( protestant influence ) and this is bad. if you give false doctrine you will be penalized for it and its sad because any Priiest that deceives people using false doctrines can land up in hell and in a worse part than the average sinner!!
He left the Assyrian Church because the Assyrian Church has been dictated and corrupted by the elitist house of Maliki. Go do your research to why these nationalist ideologs wanted to overthrow the Ottoman Empire to build their kingdom on earth. It's laughable as they failed miserably.
Throughout the New Testament scripture the Word who took on human flesh is called The Son of God. The title The Son of God cannot be juxtaposed with the title the Son of a Human Being Mary, why? What do I mean? It means that The Spirit of God doesn't count human relationships, since he is the Creator of all his subjects inclusive of Mary who called the Word (LOGOS) Lord, then no theology can apply a relationship of the flesh as a competing relationship that even tries to trump the relationship "The Son of God". Do mainstream churches understand why Jesus was brought forth by the Spirit, where God is Spirit (John 4:24) and Jesus also said the following, "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit and life." (John 6:63)
So in conclusion no one and I mean no one can use the title the mother of God, which is derived from theology that elevates flesh by using this title as a competing and at times overriding factor to the will of the Spirit who is Life and came to give life through the adoption into sonship by The Son of God (LOGOS). Any theology that is derived from flesh according to Jesus counts for nothing. The theology of The Son of God and only The Son of God and not the son of Mary is a rock solid theology and is throughout the gospels, epistles and the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Bro great stream as always
Hypostasis never meant person and it still does not. The term person should be eliminated from all discussions.
Is it not peoper to say that Jesus is one hypostasis in two natures? Is not a property of hypostasis the "who?"
Who is that? That is Jesus Christ, the God-man. Jesus is a person.
Hypostasis means person in all the greek speaking saint fathers of the church
What are you talking about hypostasis and person are as greek words used from the greek speaking fathers as synonyms words
Mary is the Mother of God, the Most Holy Theotokos.
the only thing that makes sense is miaphysitism(ethiopian orthodox ) we believe that christ is composite perfect GOD perfect man and we say we recieve body and blood of christ who is perfect GOD
Authentic Christianity, in contrast, tells us to reject the commandments and doctrines of men:
Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ. As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. (Colossians 2:4-10)
LOL! I stumbled upon a thread full of Pharisees.
The LOGOS before the Creation of all things, inclusive of the creation of angels and according to the Nicene Creed & John 1:1-3 is ONE in Essence/Nature/Substance/Being with the Father and is the One True God who is unchangeable by Nature/Essence/Substance/Being, because God is ONE. The Devine nature of the LOGOS cannot change in substance, for example, His nature didn't hypostasis when He dined with Abraham as The Angel of Yahweh's Presence, nor did His nature hypostasis at His incarnation, nor after His resurrection. The claim that God is fully God and fully man/angel by Nature/Essence/Being/Substance changes the One Substance of the One Triune God and scripture declares that this can never happen. The nature of God who is ONE can never be ONE hypostasis union with His Creatures. This basic 101 scriptural understanding renders the hypostasis union of God/Angel or God/Man as a violation of God's Nature. A violation of God's Nature is what the hypostasis union theological claim results in. The LOGOS took the form of an Angel, took the form of a Man, but never became hypostasis as in one substance/union/nature with His Creation.
You cannot have juxtaposition of the titles "The Son of God" and "the son of Mary". If you think these diametrically opposite titles can theologically exist in the eyes of God, then you dont understand why The Son of God came to adopt humanity into sonship with him through the Spirit rebirth. As Jesus said the flesh is good for nothing. The Spirit Rebirth is in direct opposition and in vast contrast to the fleshly birth. Jesus Christ according to God cannot be His Son and also Mary's son, because Jesus Christ can only be The Son of God and so the entire focus of scripture is on being born again of the Spirit of God, where Saint Paul counts flesh as being dead. So how can mainstream churches go against Apostolic teachings by tying the Son of God who is Lord of Heaven to the son of Mary who is flesh? In fact Paul goes to say the first Adam brought death and the Last Adam who is the risen Lord brought Life through the Spirit who quickens. If we are counted into sonship and are truly born again then we count flesh as dead and we are adopted into sonship through the Last Adam Jesus Christ. Jesus Being the Last Adam, and everyone else came through Him only, how can mainstream churches claim that he is the son of Mary, because this is not fact, as the risen Lord is the first in the resurrection and is the Last Adam, within the restored Garden of God. Jesus Christ was never the son of Adam to begin with and when he was raised from the dead, he became the first in the New Creation. If you tie the risen Lord to a fleshly relationship then you are unwittingly denying that he has been risen as the Last Adam and you are tying him to a human nature which is the Adamic sinful fallen man. The title the son of Mary is diametrically opposed to the title The Son ot God and therefore it logically follows that the mother of God title iss down right blasphemy. Hello, the Lord has risen! Either you make your relationships with the first Adam or with the Last Adam. Please choose wisely!
Mar Mari is a righteous messenger of GOD and inspires people to praise and serve
JESUS CHRIST
and the people who want to discredit him its they who should be under question
People want to be so judgmental just like the Pharisees and the Sadducees
Mar Mari sends a inspiring message period
Thats the bottom line
A person is either a
Soldier of GOD or a soldier of satan
Mar Mari is a servant of GOD
If you are a Soldier of CHRIST stop criticizing him
Mar Mari knows more then all his criticizers
Do you believe that Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit making her pregnant with Jesus? Do you believe that she is Jesus's earthy mother? Because both are scripture.. well he teaches that Jesus never had a mother, that Mary wasn't his mother..and from my research he also believes that Jesus didn't die on the cross..if I'm wrong I apologize..Both are heresy
Sally Harb has the best videos about and against him. She was a member of his church/community for years. Worth watching her on YT.
It's SO much worse than I realised.
WOW!
So bad
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Do you have the link to her videos?
I think you don't know the real faith
1. "After the union has occurred, however, we do not divide the natures from one another, nor do we sever the one and indivisible into two sons, but we say that there is One Son, and as the holy Fathers have stated: One Incarnate Nature of The Word."
2. Once again those who twist the truth are unaware that in fact there is but one incarnate nature of the Word.
- St. Cyril does not deny that there are two natures, but from the divine and the human, there is "one incarnate nature of the word," terminology that Chalcedon never uses.
3. "No, each nature is understood to remain in all its natural characteristics for the reasons we have just given, though they are ineffably and inexpressibly united, and this is how he demonstrated to us the one nature of the Son; though of course, as I have said, it is the ‘incarnate nature’ I mean."
4. "So, those who say that if there is one incarnate nature of God the Word, then it necessarily follows that there must have been a mixture or confusion with the human nature being diminished or ‘stolen away’, are talking rubbish."
I found interesting: "They try to avoid confessing that the Word of God is the Saviour who gave his own blood for us, and say instead that it was the man Jesus understood as separate and distinct who can be said to have achieved this." Does not Chalcedon do this, or?
5. "This objection is yet another attack on those who say that there is one incarnate nature of the Son."
How can one read Chalcedon through St. Cyril's letters to Succensus, and the council of Ephesus?
thanks for posting this. and i google searched and found St. Cyril's letters to Succensus. And just dipping into it. I read "GOLD AND MUCH PRECIOUS STONES": "3. Nestorius ... he [Nestorius] concludes that the holy virgin is not the Mother of God, merely the mother of the man. 4. We maintain, however, that this cannot be the case. We have learned from the divine scriptures and the holy Fathers to confess One Son, and Christ, and Lord. This is the Word of God the Father born from him in an ineffable and divine manner before the ages, and the same one is born from the holy virgin according to the flesh, for our sake, in the last times of this age. Since she gave birth to God made flesh and made man, *for this reason we also call her the Mother of God* . There is, therefore, One Son, One Lord Jesus Christ, both before the incarnation and after the incarnation. The Word of God the Father is not one distinct son, with the one born of the holy virgin being another and different son. No, it is our faith that the very one who was before the ages is the one who was born from a woman according to the flesh; not as if his Godhead took the beginnings of its existence or was called into being for the first time through the holy virgin, but rather, as I have said, that the eternal Word is said to have been born from her according to the flesh. For his flesh was his very own in just the same way as each one of us has his own body. st-takla.org/books/en/historical-documents/patristic/cyril-to-succensus-1.html about 1/3 down the "scroll down indicator's place on the window"
@@TedBrucknerthis letter is almost tit for tat the tome of St Leo
Mary isn’t the mother of God! She was the money of Jesus.