THIS IS WHY MY BADGES LIKE ANKLEBREAKER AND DREAMSHAKE ETC FIRE MORE THAN OTHER PEOPLE! IM ON A 6’9 build and I break ankles consistently every game with silver. I get out of shooting slumps quick. I get way better catch animations, space created of shots etc! I promise you it’s not all because of animations. YOU KNOW WHATS UP BROTHER!
I like the fact you’re challenging 2klabs and their numbers. Their tests are done in a vacuum and this kind of content is very necessary. But at the same time yoursample size is too small to give conclusive results.
Ideally this test would be repeated in the Proam with a larger sample size but I just needed to get something out about it because of the other testers conducted their research
Bro I’ve commented this on so many videos!! Their tests are in a vacuum/white room environment and is a terrible representation of when other players are on the court. Tests are misleading at best and flat wrong at worst
I remember in an older 2k, maybe 2k16, I had friends that thought the hands attribute was irrelevant. 2k then created a new badge called “Glue Hands”. I believe every every attribute plays a part in how your character performs even if it’s minor.
I wasnt very happy with how they did their tests for OC, so super glad you're doing a test of your own. Would make life so much easier if 2k would just tell us exactly what it does, cause its not like they dont know.
The reason they don't do in game test is because the variables aren't isolated. Testing in game puts too many potential confounding variables in the test.
I respect that but then that means they should also stay away from talking about stats they can’t test properly in their isolated environment and this is one of them
I believe all data should be challenged/questioned until rendered conclusive with facts and data. Even if you or 2kLabs are wrong the fact you are digging for the truth that 2k won’t give us is amazing.
Yeah there tests aren't always accurate like interior defense last year it mattered I had a 6'7 locking up bigs & getting snatched bocks it just relied in multiple stats Strength, Block, & interior d to get the results they were looking for but most bigs went 55 or 25 strength based off their recommendations that's why this year the badges req multiple stats
Neither I am an my nba player, offensive consistency is a damn sim stat that determines how consistent your player plays during simulated games. Everybody who’s been playing years knows that. This is placebo.
Bro I’m so glad you didn’t just give up on this topic…cause I literally feel the difference in my builds and I’ve made quite a few and my 99 OC player is definitely the best player…thank you!!!
I watch tutes and 2klabs, but bro… you better talk your shiitttt!!! Loved this video because it felt authentic and genuine. No shade just better results. 💪🏾 keep going G your definitely 100k bound 🙏🏾
THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SAID TENDENCIES DIDNT MATTER IN 2k19 WHEN I GLITCHED MY LEBRON TO A ZERO FOUL TENDENCY AND 99 DRIVING DUNK TENDENCY. IF IT DIDNT MATTER IT WOULDNT BE ON YOUR PLAYER. SO GLAD I DIDNT LISTEN!
I have never listend to 2K labs. Find your owk jumpshot that you like, find your animations that you like & play the game the way you like. Dont go to youtubers for their jumper & moves cause thats what THEY like.
Definitely understand the criticism of the way they tested the shots, there’s some criticism on Both sides though tbh. If they could run a script repeatedly to automate these tests it would make more sense, this video “proof” can kinda be debunked by lack of sample size and the fact that you hand tested it. 18% when you only shot 100 shots by hand Is where this turns to more anecdotal rather than statistical. The basis of your point still stands though. I always took their tests at face value, in game there’s far more factors than what they can reliably show or test.
and i’m just guessing, but i feel like offensive consistency probably does something with shooting slumps, makes sense my walking bucket barely gets shooting slumps with bad shooting games while my other “meta” type build feels pretty inconsistent if i just miss 2-3 shots throughout the game, almost feels like i don’t have a chance getting out of it even going for assist layups and stops. after this steals patch i’m not worrying about my defense on my walking bucket i’m just gonna master that build’s potential.
I use to tell them simple things like how you can do putbacks on blacktop with a badge because Mycareer is it's own game yet they stills test there which is very inaccurate.
@@ForeverOHERO bruh he has nothing to gain from doing that. I don’t even need to do a test and I know it helps. I have a build with low OC but 99 three and a build with 97 OC with low three and I am cash with that build and ass with the 99 3 ball and I’m not the only person that has happened to.
Maaaan I’ve been waiting on this!!! Much respect! I didn’t believe their OC testing at all. The only test they did that I didn’t follow. They were so quick to shut you down. You came back and shitted on them.
Mr. 99OC bringing the fucking heat! Brother, this is the video I have been waiting for, you put in the work and I appreciate it! You are the best 2k UA-cam personality, second to none💪
DAMN I was already subbed to this channel but didn't even know yall dropped fire content like this. Will keep you tabbed from now on for sure, excellent vid from editing to narration and the tests are pretty damning
Just like they said limitless takeoff on silver on 23 wasn't no different from bronze. And we all know by playing it was. I listen to them for basic stuff like badge percentages. But other stuff on how it feels to me while playing
Man I swear bro I had to stop listening when they said they had placebos for badges and attributes but we're paying hundreds of dollars to make a build that we think will be how we built it.
Those guys seem to need concrete statistical proof to get onboard with this concept, but one thing they don't seem to be considering is that the game is basically a simulation. A simulation full of triggers and animations that result from those triggers. Even if offensive consistency is referring to how the AI version of our builds will perform offensively if we foul out or quit a contest, there's no reason to think the same simulation triggers won't apply to the build when we're controlling it.
Yeaaaaaaaah put some respect on tcat name ! Love this video no shade to 2klabs or 2ktute but if you gunna challenge somebody make sure u test correctly ! Glad u came back and did ur own test ! For me after seeing ur first video about oc it just make sense for me get as high as oc as possible why? Because it’s called offense consistency why wouldn’t I want to be consistent offensively it’s literally a no brainer lmao !
Recently made Cat's Paul George build and I can tell a difference betwen my sharp with mid 70 OC vs the 90 OC I have right now. Don't care what controlled tests say, it matters in game AND THATS WHAT MATTERS
Yo your right, also defensive consistency is op to. I made a lick with 99 steal at first I wasn’t getting a lot of steals I had a 82 defensive consistency soon as I maxed everything else blocks, rebounding etc I boosted by defensive consistency to a 91 mind you I had 99 steal the entire time right after it went up I started averaging 6 plus steals a game my plucks are consistent so I believe it does work
I cant confirm the OC but i believe in the OC. New PG 6’8 with a 85 OC ( for now) 87 three ball Kevin durant / Pippen / korkmaz No consistent, most shots i feel is latency or the game manipulating my shot que, more than half of my misses i feel arent my fault VS My first build 6’9 PF 95 OC 82 Three Ball 90 mid SAME EXACT JUMPSHOT/Blend My PF shoots way more consistent with consistent shot ques and when i miss i feel like its actually MY FAULT. GRANTED the 90 middy does give me: Gold Dead Eye Gold Blinders Gold catch and shoot HoF Open looks Thats the part where i cant really tell if its really OC or my badges are just goated.
It's this simple if it's that didn't affect the game it wouldn't be in the game. You can go all the way back to 2K 18 and 17 where you can actually train for offensive consistency to know that affects game play. This is why I tell these cats I've played more 2K than I care to admit to and I've been playing the game since before you were born I know what I'm talkin about just listen.
I once commented on 2k Labs about how they should go live when doing their test, they seemed confused as to why I would want to watch that but I thought it was pretty explanatory
Just checked my Larry Bird build has a 98 offensive consistency at a 90 overall badges are not fully upgraded and not all is unlocked I can’t wait to get him to his max overall
Yesss! This is facts bruh OC does something. In NBA 2k23 before I even knew about OC, I wondered why my two almost identical builds (height, jumpshot) felt different at an 85 3 ball. The one with lower OC always felt like I had to focus extra hard to hit the green window (as you mentioned in the video). The one with the highest felt sooo smooth and less stiff, If that makes since. These weren't fully upgraded players, but the higher OC had around an 88 OC, while the other had around a 78. Great video💯
I've noticed that finishing & defensive makes your guy more athletic & there is an (athletic stat!!!) so if you have a defensive shooter build with same physicals & stats as a defensive slashing build then the slasher build will get more rebounds & 50/50 balls. & that's goes with slashers too I've made 2 copy cat slasher builds only difference is one has defense & the other has shooting. & the slasher paired with defensive is way more athletic & gets more aggressive dunk. So. 2k has deff done some new with those type of stats we didn't think mattered. (But the sad thing is you can't know what the stats will be until a build is fully maxed out with vc...)
@@milesmoore8718 Fr, You gotta be an idiot if you think 3 games with a human playing a mycareer is enough to test lmao, Bro definitly warmed up on the first 3 games then when he tested the high oc he knew the jumpshot and how to get open lmao. People like this guy dont deserve a channel or money
I 1000% believe you on this..last year on 23..I notice I shot very consistent on my interior finisher with a 76 3pt because he had an 96 Offensive Consistency..I had a spot up glass type of build with 76 3pt but the Offensive consistency maxed out to 89 and I noticed I would miss sht I KNOW for a fact I perfectly timed..I could not time the shot any better than what I did deadass(Used the same jumpshot for both builds..and I don’t mess with my settings 24/7)
I never changed my mind. I have two players that are very similar in ratings but the OC is higher on one and he is lights out. You’re definitely on to something. I didn’t give a damn what they said, i know my own experience.
Great video n this leads me to the conclusion of all of the info u get on UA-cam are just stats and not gospel. U gotta gather as much info as u can from many sources n compare it to your gameplay style n try it out for yourself. Unfortunately we gotta spend a Ben Franklin to build a player n I think 2k gives us pieces of info on purpose
Interesting, The one with the larger green window @2:05 actually has lower stamina at the time. I thought this was strange but it’s probably more to do with the Takeover meter progress, which proves your point. Good vid.
Sorta long... I can understand your concern with the way they test but the reason they test in controlled environments is self-explanatory. I'm sure you can see the flaws in your very own tests right? For one, each test should be as identical as possible to eliminate any variables. Obvious right? But I don't think people understand what that means. For testing purposes, on identical builds, you would have to do the exact same shot, exact same animation, in the exact same spot, against the exact same team, the exact same amount of times, with the exact same takeover progress, the exact same stamina, the exact same timing, and the coverage on each shot should be the exact same. You'd also have to take into consideration streakiness, as 2k has a built in green machine mechanic, so a time you might have made a contested shot it could have been right after one or more greens. Another thing to think about is momentum, another hidden 2k mechanic but anyone who has every played 2k for any extended period of time can feel momentum, even A.I's will call a timeout to stop your momentum, so you would have to account for this in the tests. You might be like "Oh that's impossible" or "Who gon do all that?", but this is what 2k Labs and 2k Tutes try to achieve as they both use modded controllers in controlled environments. This is so you can eliminate or minimize any possibility of random chance or human error. You showing a clip with one shot being 24% covered and the other being wide open I would strongly argue has literally nothing to do with offensive consistency and more with the volatility of the testing. For example, at 1:03 if you pause, you tell me is that the same defender? Stamina? That's not even the same fade animation because of the contest. I can appreciate your passion, and I can always respect someone who doesn't just think whatever their told is law without seeking more information, but calling someone wrong is not the move when you don't really know either. I'd say there's at least a 80% chance offensive consistency genuinely does nothing in actual gameplay, won't know until someone from 2k comes out and speaks on it though.
ok so a lot to unpack because of the length of the comment, but firstly yes i agree that eliminating as many variables as possible is important and they are both fantastic at it and just to be clear, i think they are both amazing channels with important info for the community; however, that doesn't mean they can't be wrong occasionally and i can't disagree with their results. secondly 1:03 was put their purposefully to contrast that even when if the 97 OC where to be in a slightly more difficult situation it comes out on top. the tests though where done with each player receiving an equal number of slightly contested shots and an equal number of wide open shots. your point about momentum is making my point about what OC does and why 2k labs and tutes set their tests up incorrectly. OC shifts the momentum in your favor to some degree. it literally helps you continue shooting streaks longer and get out of slumps faster. I would not think "oh that's impossible" because i'm a college graduate and my wife is too with a degree in mechanical engineering and she helped me set the whole thing up as well. if you watch the whole video and freeze frame on every shot and every spot and every timing then you'd see they are actually far more balanced then you're implying. Human error is definitely a factor in my testing, but (and i want you to really think about this) unless you believe that i'm just flat out lying or faking my tests, why would i consistently be getting better shooting numbers on the OC. There wasn't even any outliers. Finally, Mike Wang himself tweeted that because of the anti cheat in 2k and the fact that nba 2k labs uses a modded controller for their testing, their results will always be flawed. Mike Wang said this was done to encourage people to pay attention to their shots more. with this information i could make the case that in this specific 2k even with my human error I'd be more accurate the way i set my tests up. human error can also mean failing to set up your tests properly which is what 2k labs and tutes did with these specific tests
@@Tcat_333 Sorry for the late reply, I'll keep this one much shorter in comparison to my first comment. I'll say that I agree with the thought behind your version of tests and the reasoning why, I'm just saying that there's so many variables that even if 97 OC shot better all 3 times, there could be a lot of reasons why beyond offensive consistency. I'm not insulting your intelligence or trying to say your incapable of making "proper testing", the point I'm trying to make is that though you tried to eliminate as many variables as you could, testing in live game scenarios is inherently sporadic. It might sound crazy but with how things are now, 97 OC could shoot better 30 times straight and there could be a bunch of other factors at play. Though at that point we would have to believe it's the OC until proven otherwise. I didn't go point by point as that would take longer, but I did read your entire comment a few times. Like I said, I agree that testing in an actual game would be much better, there's just a reason why people don't, it's not as conclusive...usually.
I stopped always believing 2K labs last year when they showed limitless range but tested silver vs gold both with a 92 three ball therefore nit showing it’s effectiveness at 85 3 ball which you would have if that’s all you stopped for silver
Thankful there are ppl like u who are willing to do this. Sad you have to go out of your way to find the truth when 2K should already be giving us this info smh
Yooo I made your builds since 2k23 and it improved my game big time. So now I'm just waiting on that Derrick Rose build because I know your going to build him right .
Been knowing that thats why I always make 3 level threats/scorers that's how I choose my free agents in my career been on that Offensive Consistent for years its been a difference in that but I'd rather got with the 90-95 draw foul in get a 95 Offensive consistency just to be more super balanced
im pretty sure ur stats get boosted while gaining takeover not just when u activate it.. therefore ur tests are dead due to the higher oc getting more attributes from take causing a bigger green window and making more shots
Tutes hella lazy with his videos this year. I feel like i never get anything out of them. I got a 97 OC on my build and I got an 88w% in the park with 1000+ games and a 96w% in Rec with over 50 games, OC is it
In other words.. I didn’t waste my money on your Paul George build. I got it at a 96 and when you dropped the vid on 2k labs/tutes basically saying it didn’t matter I stopped grinding it. But now since I know it for sure matter I’m bout to go get back on him!
Let us know the difference in 3 weeks. You shud set a reminder in ya calendar & copy the link to the vid 🤘 Especially with the new update coming out. Or is it out already? Idk but yuh talk to ya in 3 weeks hopefully
I made his Paul George build and it’s a 90 ovr, already shooting better than my guard with a 96 3pt, honestly feels really good can post fade and bang deep asf threes.
@jaroammino5575 yeah I was gonna mention. I've got an all offense build with high dunk & layup high middle but went low 65 3pt. & I shoot 68% with it. Mostly catch & shoots only vs my other builds but ion know man. But it's my lowest 3pt rating with the highest 3pt %
@@Gdonnald Ight bruh, 3 weeks update I ain’t forget about you. So what I can say is offensive consistency definitely matters. There’s a drastic difference between shooting on my build with 91 OC vs this Build that’s gets a 97 OC. I did test a lil theory that Tcatt himself wondered, and that’s whether or not playmaking plays a factor in OC. I made a build with 96 pass acc and basically the same shooting/finishing attributes (still a 97 OC maxed out) and after playing on that build for the past 2 weeks I can confidently say that I think playingmaking plays a role in OC. It could be the fact that’s it’s the same build and I got a fresh start on it shooting percentage wise, but I’m shooting a whole 15% better. Still not sure on what exactly “activates” OC. I’ve heard the first shot, and I’ve heard after making a few in a row. From playing I noticed in games that I made the first shot I’ve shot way better than in games that I didn’t make the first shot. That’s just my take I’m prob wrong about playmaking being a factor, maybe I just got better. But I think it’s sum we should look into.
The green window example you displayed had one player boosted by the mycareer goat skill boost system and the other did not. That's a null example. I'm honestly not a believer in OC mattering from playing MyTeam. IMO and many others it's just for AI programming and to pad a players OVR. Appreciate you challenging and testing though. Just sharing my observation.
Thank you for your observation but just to be clear those are defense only goat skills and can’t effect the green and there were many others like that throughout the testing
Yeah I'm glad I saw your previous video on offensive consistency. Once I saw their videos talking down on it made me question how are they actually coming to their stats because I've seen a HUGE difference honestly I wish I could get 99 off consistency and 99 def consistency. 🤣😂🤣 99 off consistency is what I focused on with my build and after 2 weeks of consistently trying to make a build I finally put up the $150 for VC and I'm good for the year.
You're wrong too. You didn't account for the takeover meter boosting your attributes even if not activated, if player A makes 1st shot and player B misses, player A has more chance of making the 2nd one then player B etc... And, for this specific attribute, an offline test can not serve as conclusion.
There’s truth to what you’re saying, but consider these 2 things: 1: the offensive consistency stat is described by 2k as helping hot streaks. 2: it happened 3 times. Not once (happenstance) not twice (coincidence), but 3 times which is statistically a pattern. Also there are momentum swings on HOF difficulty in mycareer so though i want to test this in the Proam, per what I said in my last OC video, mycareer data should be considered; whereas, offline shoot around should not. This is also based on many years of experience with this specific stat
@@Tcat_333 Appreciate your reply, I can see your arguments they make sense. But i'ma need that online test, if it is possible to do so because It would make sense that 2k purposedly eliminated the OC effects on an online setting. That's a step forward tho, coming from offline shootaround.
Is there a huge difference between 97, 98 and 99 OC? I’ve made a build with 857 total blue/green/orange stats just unsure if that gets me 97 or 98 OC. Wondering if it’s worth rebuilding for 99 OC? Also is there anyway I can tell what OC I’ll get once I max the build? 60 overall I start with 72 OC
@@Tcat_333 you’re a hero man! I’ll hold up on the builder till then😂 big believer in OC I have a 96 build and a 89 build and it’s night and day difference between them.
Remember that their tests are based on offline modes. It's like Ben Simmons hitting jumpers in practice, it doesn't count cause we all know he doesn't do that in real games. I've made a similar 6'8 PG build like yours and I have been a menace on offense. With just an 85 three ball, I'm shooting almost 70% in the REC and park, compared to 59% in rec and 49% in park with my other 85 OC build. That shit matters
I was really hoping you were wrong despite the fact that I honestly believe you're correct because my build only has an 82 OC. Personally I don't wanna create a build and allocate points towards attributes I don't really want just to get a high OC. Hoping that future 2Ks bring back the ability to grind for it like in 2K17.
OC means nothing. Small UA-camrs need something to make videos, and he just used that nonsense. Most COMP players and PRO player builds have the lowest “OC”, because they just put attributes to certain things they need, and sacrifice the rest. OC never meant anything.. If you still believe this delusional clown over CREDIBLE and professional people like 2k labs, then you’re just as delusional and ignorant. Get help
Don’t cave in to the hype bro, even tho Tcat is speaking facts about high OC. My current build only has 88 OC and he’s shooting 61% FG | 57% 3FG. It all comes down to knowing your shot timings & shot IQ to be honest.
oc is fr i feel like when i first made my build at 85 ovr i shot worse and i didnt know why fr but now i believe it was bc of the oc my free throw and close shot and standing dunk was untouched now that my build is 97 ovr and i have those stats upgraded which also upgrades oc my shooting is more consistent. it has to be oc
It only makes sense that the higher OC player will be more CONSISTENT. If the stat is there it means something then why put it in a game that we pay hundreds of dollars for😡🤬😤
I thought so becaus they were not testing with real players and only cpu on blacktop, I had an 82 oc build and now have a dif build at 95 and feel a difference and drop much better scoring numbers in rec randoms
I've said something to my homies about the OC but they just blow me off but I just made a build with a 95 consistentcy haven't maxed him out yet but i definitely feel the difference especially when i get him fully maxed out, when they see me going 7/9 dunking and pulling up in ppl faces then they will say you gotta dope build 😂😂😂 but my goal is to at least get them to make on or two builds with a high OC that way we have the 1-3 position ready to score at will.
Tutes made a video about lateral quickness being tied to strength. Tell me why then when I have two 6’8 sfs one more of a point forward and one a lock both with 81 speed is my lock so much quicker on defence than my point forward if it doesn’t matter? He moved side to side and didn’t see a difference so claimed it was useless. I can tell you now for a fact going in a circle, closing out and recovery speed is all quicker on my lock
i wasnt happy with their conduction with their tests. obviously i may be biased because i was exposed to this channel beforehand but ive noticed when upgrading my offensive attributes over several 2ks the game becomes "easier". unless its placeob (even if it is thats still good). theres also so many stats that arent explained which is really stupid... ive noticed the defensive consistency stat as well and i think it does have an effect
I tried the 601 build green and blue, filled them all, my overall is 97 already, but my OC is still on 96. I thought i can max it out til 99. What did i do wrong tho?
So read the description of the video for reference but essentially someone discovered that playmaking factors in this year. 864 blue, green and orange is the exact number now
They aren't lying, but yeah their tests are pretty bad and they aren't good at communicating statistics. Specifically probability distributions and other basics like variance.
Great vid, love seeing actually gameplay test. I am confused though how do you get a high or low OC on your myplayer? Is this from play or set to attributes?
@@mrstoneybrew u can check it in ur stats by clicking the right knob down. Trust me I did my own test and it's valid. I have a build with a higher 3 at 6'8 and I'm shooting worst than my 7'2 with a lower 3 but has higher offense consistency. And in the rec with over 40 games played I'm shooting over 70 percent from the field and 3 on my 7'2. It pretty much turns more of ur whites into greens. That's what I think
Well I guess if you divide 99 by 864 you get .114 which means about every 11 stats you upgrade (blue, green, or orange) you should get another upgrade.
@@Tcat_333 yea so I realized (for example) if you go from 640 to 740 which is a 100 point attribute difference, you get a +10 to your offensive consistency. If you go from 640 to 650 you get +1 OC. If you go 640 to 660 you get +2 OC. If you go from 640 to 670 you get + 3 OC. I did my own testing and math and it adds up. So basically every 10 you go up you get a +1 OC, if you go up 20 you get a +2 OC, if you go up 50 you get a +5 OC, if you go up 100 you get a +10 OC. So its pretty similar to what you also think. We’re not far off at all
Hey for a Pg 6’3 would rather have 87 layup gold float game 65 strength gold fearless finishes or 88 layup hof float game 60 strength silver fearless finishes ?
100 shot sample size is way too small to be able to determine anything. Add in the fact that human error is an obvious large factor when discussing millisecond frame green windows and that pretty much negates any relevance this test may have had. Lastly, it also could be possible that OC specifically has an effect on mycareer games but doesnt have any affect in rec or other online modes.. If you really wanted to prove there is a statistical shooting difference with higher OC builds I would recommend you use a MUCH larger sample size of shots and use multiple game modes.
i agree with you mostly; however, you've missed the point of the video. I shouldn't have to be the one testing these stats. i made a claim based on YEARS of personal experience and 2k labs and tutes made a conclusion based off one poorly run test. they need to do better and my years of experience are telling me that this stat is important. this test is relevant though because it's across 3 separate games and as i said 3 statistically is a pattern.
Hey I been telling everyone about this!! But I have a question. Have you noticed the oc changing? I had a 90 oc and then I went to the rec, had a bad game and checked it and it dropped to 83... did u notice that? Also, there's a defensive consistency attribute too? What's that all about?
THIS IS WHY MY BADGES LIKE ANKLEBREAKER AND DREAMSHAKE ETC FIRE MORE THAN OTHER PEOPLE! IM ON A 6’9 build and I break ankles consistently every game with silver. I get out of shooting slumps quick. I get way better catch animations, space created of shots etc! I promise you it’s not all because of animations. YOU KNOW WHATS UP BROTHER!
I like the fact you’re challenging 2klabs and their numbers. Their tests are done in a vacuum and this kind of content is very necessary. But at the same time yoursample size is too small to give conclusive results.
Good comment, both sets of tests seem to be flawed.
Ideally this test would be repeated in the Proam with a larger sample size but I just needed to get something out about it because of the other testers conducted their research
Bro I’ve commented this on so many videos!! Their tests are in a vacuum/white room environment and is a terrible representation of when other players are on the court. Tests are misleading at best and flat wrong at worst
I remember in an older 2k, maybe 2k16, I had friends that thought the hands attribute was irrelevant. 2k then created a new badge called “Glue Hands”. I believe every every attribute plays a part in how your character performs even if it’s minor.
I wasnt very happy with how they did their tests for OC, so super glad you're doing a test of your own. Would make life so much easier if 2k would just tell us exactly what it does, cause its not like they dont know.
The reason they don't do in game test is because the variables aren't isolated. Testing in game puts too many potential confounding variables in the test.
I respect that but then that means they should also stay away from talking about stats they can’t test properly in their isolated environment and this is one of them
I believe all data should be challenged/questioned until rendered conclusive with facts and data. Even if you or 2kLabs are wrong the fact you are digging for the truth that 2k won’t give us is amazing.
Yeah there tests aren't always accurate like interior defense last year it mattered I had a 6'7 locking up bigs & getting snatched bocks it just relied in multiple stats Strength, Block, & interior d to get the results they were looking for but most bigs went 55 or 25 strength based off their recommendations that's why this year the badges req multiple stats
Neither I am an my nba player, offensive consistency is a damn sim stat that determines how consistent your player plays during simulated games. Everybody who’s been playing years knows that. This is placebo.
2k labs is wrong all the time according to Mike wang
Well said
Way to build an analytical opposing argument to prove your point. Much respect
I noticed on my high OC player that it would be harder for me to me to get those errant animations, less of those “I didn’t mean to do that” moments.
Bro I’m so glad you didn’t just give up on this topic…cause I literally feel the difference in my builds and I’ve made quite a few and my 99 OC player is definitely the best player…thank you!!!
I watch tutes and 2klabs, but bro… you better talk your shiitttt!!! Loved this video because it felt authentic and genuine. No shade just better results. 💪🏾 keep going G your definitely 100k bound 🙏🏾
THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SAID TENDENCIES DIDNT MATTER IN 2k19 WHEN I GLITCHED MY LEBRON TO A ZERO FOUL TENDENCY AND 99 DRIVING DUNK TENDENCY. IF IT DIDNT MATTER IT WOULDNT BE ON YOUR PLAYER. SO GLAD I DIDNT LISTEN!
I have never listend to 2K labs. Find your owk jumpshot that you like, find your animations that you like & play the game the way you like. Dont go to youtubers for their jumper & moves cause thats what THEY like.
That clip of allcity shittin of Tutes is literally where he is in the wrong 😂
Context of the clip?
Respect, stand your ground. I been saying pure sharps dont shoot as good. I never had a reasoning for it before i found out about oc.
Definitely understand the criticism of the way they tested the shots, there’s some criticism on Both sides though tbh. If they could run a script repeatedly to automate these tests it would make more sense, this video “proof” can kinda be debunked by lack of sample size and the fact that you hand tested it. 18% when you only shot 100 shots by hand Is where this turns to more anecdotal rather than statistical.
The basis of your point still stands though. I always took their tests at face value, in game there’s far more factors than what they can reliably show or test.
and i’m just guessing, but i feel like offensive consistency probably does something with shooting slumps, makes sense my walking bucket barely gets shooting slumps with bad shooting games while my other “meta” type build feels pretty inconsistent if i just miss 2-3 shots throughout the game, almost feels like i don’t have a chance getting out of it even going for assist layups and stops. after this steals patch i’m not worrying about my defense on my walking bucket i’m just gonna master that build’s potential.
Precisely
I second this. Started out 0/5 in a game last night and ended 15/22. My other builds would've been in a slump, but not Cat's PG build I copied.
I use to tell them simple things like how you can do putbacks on blacktop with a badge because Mycareer is it's own game yet they stills test there which is very inaccurate.
You’re the GOAT, thank you for taking the time to do a proper test. I knew they were wrong as soon as I saw their videos.
He didn’t do proper test he can easily rig it
@@ForeverOHERO bruh he has nothing to gain from doing that. I don’t even need to do a test and I know it helps. I have a build with low OC but 99 three and a build with 97 OC with low three and I am cash with that build and ass with the 99 3 ball and I’m not the only person that has happened to.
Maaaan I’ve been waiting on this!!! Much respect! I didn’t believe their OC testing at all. The only test they did that I didn’t follow. They were so quick to shut you down. You came back and shitted on them.
He didn’t really shit on them. His testing has its own flws
So is OC worth it or nah?
Mr. 99OC bringing the fucking heat! Brother, this is the video I have been waiting for, you put in the work and I appreciate it! You are the best 2k UA-cam personality, second to none💪
DAMN I was already subbed to this channel but didn't even know yall dropped fire content like this. Will keep you tabbed from now on for sure, excellent vid from editing to narration and the tests are pretty damning
He doesn’t this is the only one he has done
Just like they said limitless takeoff on silver on 23 wasn't no different from bronze. And we all know by playing it was. I listen to them for basic stuff like badge percentages. But other stuff on how it feels to me while playing
Man I swear bro I had to stop listening when they said they had placebos for badges and attributes but we're paying hundreds of dollars to make a build that we think will be how we built it.
Atleast 2klab tests have a controlled variables. Tutes be measuring from blacktops
Yes, but unfortunately it doesn’t matter that you control the variables if you don’t set the test up properly
Those guys seem to need concrete statistical proof to get onboard with this concept, but one thing they don't seem to be considering is that the game is basically a simulation. A simulation full of triggers and animations that result from those triggers. Even if offensive consistency is referring to how the AI version of our builds will perform offensively if we foul out or quit a contest, there's no reason to think the same simulation triggers won't apply to the build when we're controlling it.
you been in the lab with this one bro way to show em up 💪
Yeaaaaaaaah put some respect on tcat name ! Love this video no shade to 2klabs or 2ktute but if you gunna challenge somebody make sure u test correctly ! Glad u came back and did ur own test ! For me after seeing ur first video about oc it just make sense for me get as high as oc as possible why? Because it’s called offense consistency why wouldn’t I want to be consistent offensively it’s literally a no brainer lmao !
Recently made Cat's Paul George build and I can tell a difference betwen my sharp with mid 70 OC vs the 90 OC I have right now. Don't care what controlled tests say, it matters in game AND THATS WHAT MATTERS
Yo your right, also defensive consistency is op to. I made a lick with 99 steal at first I wasn’t getting a lot of steals I had a 82 defensive consistency soon as I maxed everything else blocks, rebounding etc I boosted by defensive consistency to a 91 mind you I had 99 steal the entire time right after it went up I started averaging 6 plus steals a game my plucks are consistent so I believe it does work
Update: as of today on my new 97 overall build I have a 99 offensive consistency 💯
Man pulled a Thanos and said, “I’ll do it myself!”
Trynna be friends? 🤣🤣🤣 I'm dead 💀
FACTS BRO THE ONLY 1 I TRUST ABOUT OC💯
I cant confirm the OC but i believe in the OC.
New PG 6’8 with a 85 OC ( for now)
87 three ball
Kevin durant / Pippen / korkmaz
No consistent, most shots i feel is latency or the game manipulating my shot que, more than half of my misses i feel arent my fault
VS
My first build 6’9 PF 95 OC
82 Three Ball 90 mid
SAME EXACT JUMPSHOT/Blend
My PF shoots way more consistent with consistent shot ques and when i miss i feel like its actually MY FAULT. GRANTED the 90 middy does give me:
Gold Dead Eye
Gold Blinders
Gold catch and shoot
HoF Open looks
Thats the part where i cant really tell if its really OC or my badges are just goated.
It's this simple if it's that didn't affect the game it wouldn't be in the game. You can go all the way back to 2K 18 and 17 where you can actually train for offensive consistency to know that affects game play. This is why I tell these cats I've played more 2K than I care to admit to and I've been playing the game since before you were born I know what I'm talkin about just listen.
I once commented on 2k Labs about how they should go live when doing their test, they seemed confused as to why I would want to watch that but I thought it was pretty explanatory
Just checked my Larry Bird build has a 98 offensive consistency at a 90 overall badges are not fully upgraded and not all is unlocked I can’t wait to get him to his max overall
Yesss! This is facts bruh OC does something. In NBA 2k23 before I even knew about OC, I wondered why my two almost identical builds (height, jumpshot) felt different at an 85 3 ball. The one with lower OC always felt like I had to focus extra hard to hit the green window (as you mentioned in the video). The one with the highest felt sooo smooth and less stiff, If that makes since. These weren't fully upgraded players, but the higher OC had around an 88 OC, while the other had around a 78. Great video💯
I've noticed that finishing & defensive makes your guy more athletic & there is an (athletic stat!!!) so if you have a defensive shooter build with same physicals & stats as a defensive slashing build then the slasher build will get more rebounds & 50/50 balls. & that's goes with slashers too I've made 2 copy cat slasher builds only difference is one has defense & the other has shooting. & the slasher paired with defensive is way more athletic & gets more aggressive dunk. So. 2k has deff done some new with those type of stats we didn't think mattered. (But the sad thing is you can't know what the stats will be until a build is fully maxed out with vc...)
Damn.. you came with the receipts. I legit thought tutes and labs was testing their shit thoroughly.
They are. Bro has so many variables destroying the credibility of his test. As well his sample size is tiny
@@milesmoore8718 Fr, You gotta be an idiot if you think 3 games with a human playing a mycareer is enough to test lmao, Bro definitly warmed up on the first 3 games then when he tested the high oc he knew the jumpshot and how to get open lmao. People like this guy dont deserve a channel or money
I 1000% believe you on this..last year on 23..I notice I shot very consistent on my interior finisher with a 76 3pt because he had an 96 Offensive Consistency..I had a spot up glass type of build with 76 3pt but the Offensive consistency maxed out to 89 and I noticed I would miss sht I KNOW for a fact I perfectly timed..I could not time the shot any better than what I did deadass(Used the same jumpshot for both builds..and I don’t mess with my settings 24/7)
2k labs out here deceiving pple and these major content creators are promoting their content..smh..let’s make this video viral and expose the lie..
Hell yes!! I had a strong feeling it wasn't placebo!
That's why they said stand still shots but in reality a stand still shots 76 3 is the same as a 99 especially out the corner
Appreciate this Fam! Just got my Sub for your Work!
I subbed soon as this vid finishes. Great context brother!!
Appreciate the vid bro! 👏 I'm definitely pro OC. I can feel the difference. 💯
I never changed my mind. I have two players that are very similar in ratings but the OC is higher on one and he is lights out. You’re definitely on to something. I didn’t give a damn what they said, i know my own experience.
Great video n this leads me to the conclusion of all of the info u get on UA-cam are just stats and not gospel. U gotta gather as much info as u can from many sources n compare it to your gameplay style n try it out for yourself. Unfortunately we gotta spend a Ben Franklin to build a player n I think 2k gives us pieces of info on purpose
These old heads need to be stopped 🤦♂️
Interesting, The one with the larger green window @2:05 actually has lower stamina at the time. I thought this was strange but it’s probably more to do with the Takeover meter progress, which proves your point. Good vid.
good catch, the takeover meter fills up way faster on a build with 95+ OC. I have 2 builds with 97+ OC and 1 with 85 OC. It's like night and day
Sorta long...
I can understand your concern with the way they test but the reason they test in controlled environments is self-explanatory. I'm sure you can see the flaws in your very own tests right? For one, each test should be as identical as possible to eliminate any variables. Obvious right? But I don't think people understand what that means. For testing purposes, on identical builds, you would have to do the exact same shot, exact same animation, in the exact same spot, against the exact same team, the exact same amount of times, with the exact same takeover progress, the exact same stamina, the exact same timing, and the coverage on each shot should be the exact same. You'd also have to take into consideration streakiness, as 2k has a built in green machine mechanic, so a time you might have made a contested shot it could have been right after one or more greens. Another thing to think about is momentum, another hidden 2k mechanic but anyone who has every played 2k for any extended period of time can feel momentum, even A.I's will call a timeout to stop your momentum, so you would have to account for this in the tests. You might be like "Oh that's impossible" or "Who gon do all that?", but this is what 2k Labs and 2k Tutes try to achieve as they both use modded controllers in controlled environments. This is so you can eliminate or minimize any possibility of random chance or human error. You showing a clip with one shot being 24% covered and the other being wide open I would strongly argue has literally nothing to do with offensive consistency and more with the volatility of the testing. For example, at 1:03 if you pause, you tell me is that the same defender? Stamina? That's not even the same fade animation because of the contest. I can appreciate your passion, and I can always respect someone who doesn't just think whatever their told is law without seeking more information, but calling someone wrong is not the move when you don't really know either. I'd say there's at least a 80% chance offensive consistency genuinely does nothing in actual gameplay, won't know until someone from 2k comes out and speaks on it though.
ok so a lot to unpack because of the length of the comment, but firstly yes i agree that eliminating as many variables as possible is important and they are both fantastic at it and just to be clear, i think they are both amazing channels with important info for the community; however, that doesn't mean they can't be wrong occasionally and i can't disagree with their results. secondly 1:03 was put their purposefully to contrast that even when if the 97 OC where to be in a slightly more difficult situation it comes out on top. the tests though where done with each player receiving an equal number of slightly contested shots and an equal number of wide open shots. your point about momentum is making my point about what OC does and why 2k labs and tutes set their tests up incorrectly. OC shifts the momentum in your favor to some degree. it literally helps you continue shooting streaks longer and get out of slumps faster. I would not think "oh that's impossible" because i'm a college graduate and my wife is too with a degree in mechanical engineering and she helped me set the whole thing up as well. if you watch the whole video and freeze frame on every shot and every spot and every timing then you'd see they are actually far more balanced then you're implying. Human error is definitely a factor in my testing, but (and i want you to really think about this) unless you believe that i'm just flat out lying or faking my tests, why would i consistently be getting better shooting numbers on the OC. There wasn't even any outliers. Finally, Mike Wang himself tweeted that because of the anti cheat in 2k and the fact that nba 2k labs uses a modded controller for their testing, their results will always be flawed. Mike Wang said this was done to encourage people to pay attention to their shots more. with this information i could make the case that in this specific 2k even with my human error I'd be more accurate the way i set my tests up. human error can also mean failing to set up your tests properly which is what 2k labs and tutes did with these specific tests
@@Tcat_333 Sorry for the late reply, I'll keep this one much shorter in comparison to my first comment. I'll say that I agree with the thought behind your version of tests and the reasoning why, I'm just saying that there's so many variables that even if 97 OC shot better all 3 times, there could be a lot of reasons why beyond offensive consistency. I'm not insulting your intelligence or trying to say your incapable of making "proper testing", the point I'm trying to make is that though you tried to eliminate as many variables as you could, testing in live game scenarios is inherently sporadic. It might sound crazy but with how things are now, 97 OC could shoot better 30 times straight and there could be a bunch of other factors at play. Though at that point we would have to believe it's the OC until proven otherwise. I didn't go point by point as that would take longer, but I did read your entire comment a few times.
Like I said, I agree that testing in an actual game would be much better, there's just a reason why people don't, it's not as conclusive...usually.
I stopped always believing 2K labs last year when they showed limitless range but tested silver vs gold both with a 92 three ball therefore nit showing it’s effectiveness at 85 3 ball which you would have if that’s all you stopped for silver
Essentially Defensive Consistency would be the same? Lol 😅😅
I believe so yes
Thankful there are ppl like u who are willing to do this. Sad you have to go out of your way to find the truth when 2K should already be giving us this info smh
You gotta be slow, You believe a random conspiracy head that relies on conspiracies for views over a proven scientific testing team.
Yooo I made your builds since 2k23 and it improved my game big time. So now I'm just waiting on that Derrick Rose build because I know your going to build him right .
I saw this coming🤣🤣🤣🤣 but I'm riding with you big dog!!!!
Been knowing that thats why I always make 3 level threats/scorers that's how I choose my free agents in my career been on that Offensive Consistent for years its been a difference in that but I'd rather got with the 90-95 draw foul in get a 95 Offensive consistency just to be more super balanced
im pretty sure ur stats get boosted while gaining takeover not just when u activate it.. therefore ur tests are dead due to the higher oc getting more attributes from take causing a bigger green window and making more shots
You’re making my point for me right now. Yes the higher OC gets takeover faster which helps him shoot better consistently. Thank you
Tutes hella lazy with his videos this year. I feel like i never get anything out of them. I got a 97 OC on my build and I got an 88w% in the park with 1000+ games and a 96w% in Rec with over 50 games, OC is it
i was telling my friend how lazy they’ve gotten the other day, if u actually watch some of the videos none of it rlly applies to in game situations
In other words.. I didn’t waste my money on your Paul George build. I got it at a 96 and when you dropped the vid on 2k labs/tutes basically saying it didn’t matter I stopped grinding it. But now since I know it for sure matter I’m bout to go get back on him!
Let us know the difference in 3 weeks. You shud set a reminder in ya calendar & copy the link to the vid 🤘
Especially with the new update coming out. Or is it out already? Idk but yuh talk to ya in 3 weeks hopefully
@@Gdonnald bet I got you
I made his Paul George build and it’s a 90 ovr, already shooting better than my guard with a 96 3pt, honestly feels really good can post fade and bang deep asf threes.
@jaroammino5575 yeah I was gonna mention. I've got an all offense build with high dunk & layup high middle but went low 65 3pt. & I shoot 68% with it. Mostly catch & shoots only vs my other builds but ion know man. But it's my lowest 3pt rating with the highest 3pt %
@@Gdonnald Ight bruh, 3 weeks update I ain’t forget about you. So what I can say is offensive consistency definitely matters. There’s a drastic difference between shooting on my build with 91 OC vs this Build that’s gets a 97 OC. I did test a lil theory that Tcatt himself wondered, and that’s whether or not playmaking plays a factor in OC. I made a build with 96 pass acc and basically the same shooting/finishing attributes (still a 97 OC maxed out) and after playing on that build for the past 2 weeks I can confidently say that I think playingmaking plays a role in OC. It could be the fact that’s it’s the same build and I got a fresh start on it shooting percentage wise, but I’m shooting a whole 15% better. Still not sure on what exactly “activates” OC. I’ve heard the first shot, and I’ve heard after making a few in a row. From playing I noticed in games that I made the first shot I’ve shot way better than in games that I didn’t make the first shot. That’s just my take I’m prob wrong about playmaking being a factor, maybe I just got better. But I think it’s sum we should look into.
The green window example you displayed had one player boosted by the mycareer goat skill boost system and the other did not. That's a null example. I'm honestly not a believer in OC mattering from playing MyTeam. IMO and many others it's just for AI programming and to pad a players OVR. Appreciate you challenging and testing though. Just sharing my observation.
Thank you for your observation but just to be clear those are defense only goat skills and can’t effect the green and there were many others like that throughout the testing
Yeah I'm glad I saw your previous video on offensive consistency. Once I saw their videos talking down on it made me question how are they actually coming to their stats because I've seen a HUGE difference honestly I wish I could get 99 off consistency and 99 def consistency. 🤣😂🤣 99 off consistency is what I focused on with my build and after 2 weeks of consistently trying to make a build I finally put up the $150 for VC and I'm good for the year.
You're wrong too. You didn't account for the takeover meter boosting your attributes even if not activated, if player A makes 1st shot and player B misses, player A has more chance of making the 2nd one then player B etc... And, for this specific attribute, an offline test can not serve as conclusion.
There’s truth to what you’re saying, but consider these 2 things: 1: the offensive consistency stat is described by 2k as helping hot streaks. 2: it happened 3 times. Not once (happenstance) not twice (coincidence), but 3 times which is statistically a pattern. Also there are momentum swings on HOF difficulty in mycareer so though i want to test this in the Proam, per what I said in my last OC video, mycareer data should be considered; whereas, offline shoot around should not. This is also based on many years of experience with this specific stat
@@Tcat_333 Appreciate your reply, I can see your arguments they make sense. But i'ma need that online test, if it is possible to do so because It would make sense that 2k purposedly eliminated the OC effects on an online setting. That's a step forward tho, coming from offline shootaround.
Is there a huge difference between 97, 98 and 99 OC? I’ve made a build with 857 total blue/green/orange stats just unsure if that gets me 97 or 98 OC. Wondering if it’s worth rebuilding for 99 OC? Also is there anyway I can tell what OC I’ll get once I max the build? 60 overall I start with 72 OC
I’m retesting that right now actually
@@Tcat_333 you’re a hero man! I’ll hold up on the builder till then😂 big believer in OC I have a 96 build and a 89 build and it’s night and day difference between them.
You know what’s crazy - if 2k practiced transparency for how their game actually works, this wouldn’t even be a conversation
Remember that their tests are based on offline modes. It's like Ben Simmons hitting jumpers in practice, it doesn't count cause we all know he doesn't do that in real games. I've made a similar 6'8 PG build like yours and I have been a menace on offense. With just an 85 three ball, I'm shooting almost 70% in the REC and park, compared to 59% in rec and 49% in park with my other 85 OC build. That shit matters
I was really hoping you were wrong despite the fact that I honestly believe you're correct because my build only has an 82 OC. Personally I don't wanna create a build and allocate points towards attributes I don't really want just to get a high OC. Hoping that future 2Ks bring back the ability to grind for it like in 2K17.
OC means nothing. Small UA-camrs need something to make videos, and he just used that nonsense. Most COMP players and PRO player builds have the lowest “OC”, because they just put attributes to certain things they need, and sacrifice the rest. OC never meant anything.. If you still believe this delusional clown over CREDIBLE and professional people like 2k labs, then you’re just as delusional and ignorant. Get help
Don’t cave in to the hype bro, even tho Tcat is speaking facts about high OC. My current build only has 88 OC and he’s shooting 61% FG | 57% 3FG. It all comes down to knowing your shot timings & shot IQ to be honest.
oc is fr i feel like when i first made my build at 85 ovr i shot worse and i didnt know why fr but now i believe it was bc of the oc my free throw and close shot and standing dunk was untouched now that my build is 97 ovr and i have those stats upgraded which also upgrades oc my shooting is more consistent. it has to be oc
Thankyou bro. I’m working on a 99 OC Wemby build. Lmk if u got anything 😅
Love this video i always get trolled by the homies for my badges csuse there not metta or 2klab certified. But like i know my build & how it works 💪
It only makes sense that the higher OC player will be more CONSISTENT. If the stat is there it means something then why put it in a game that we pay hundreds of dollars for😡🤬😤
Ill be honest. OC is real. Its insane. My 3pt% is in the 70s. On my other builds with the same 3pt rating its barely 50.
Idk what to believe but I definitely put oc on my builds cus of you . And they do test some stuff the wrong way so you gotta do your own testing
If you believe this dude youre an idiot, OC is a mental stat which dont effect gameplay
I thought so becaus they were not testing with real players and only cpu on blacktop, I had an 82 oc build and now have a dif build at 95 and feel a difference and drop much better scoring numbers in rec randoms
Great video and thanks for the clarification 🔥🔥🔥👍🏾
I've said something to my homies about the OC but they just blow me off but I just made a build with a 95 consistentcy haven't maxed him out yet but i definitely feel the difference especially when i get him fully maxed out, when they see me going 7/9 dunking and pulling up in ppl faces then they will say you gotta dope build 😂😂😂 but my goal is to at least get them to make on or two builds with a high OC that way we have the 1-3 position ready to score at will.
Tutes made a video about lateral quickness being tied to strength. Tell me why then when I have two 6’8 sfs one more of a point forward and one a lock both with 81 speed is my lock so much quicker on defence than my point forward if it doesn’t matter? He moved side to side and didn’t see a difference so claimed it was useless. I can tell you now for a fact going in a circle, closing out and recovery speed is all quicker on my lock
i wasnt happy with their conduction with their tests. obviously i may be biased because i was exposed to this channel beforehand but ive noticed when upgrading my offensive attributes over several 2ks the game becomes "easier". unless its placeob (even if it is thats still good). theres also so many stats that arent explained which is really stupid... ive noticed the defensive consistency stat as well and i think it does have an effect
I tried the 601 build green and blue, filled them all, my overall is 97 already, but my OC is still on 96. I thought i can max it out til 99. What did i do wrong tho?
So read the description of the video for reference but essentially someone discovered that playmaking factors in this year. 864 blue, green and orange is the exact number now
This is interesting. Still not too sold on it but great work tcaat.
Would you be open to redoing this test blind, where you don’t know which build you are using?
Yeah but if I do future testing with this it’ll be probably in the Proam
Great video man
Lol. Pay the man. 🔥🔥🔥
As they say everyone is entitled to their own opinions
I KNEW IT!!!
We might need new testers that are gonna put in the time and effort to make sure it's right. This might be your calling my guy.🤔
They aren't lying, but yeah their tests are pretty bad and they aren't good at communicating statistics. Specifically probability distributions and other basics like variance.
Great vid, love seeing actually gameplay test. I am confused though how do you get a high or low OC on your myplayer? Is this from play or set to attributes?
Add up all ur green and blue stats and if it's over 601 u will have 99 offensive consistency
@Gregory-pi3oc lol ok. Seems like a random #. Do they put that info anywhere?
@@mrstoneybrew u can check it in ur stats by clicking the right knob down. Trust me I did my own test and it's valid. I have a build with a higher 3 at 6'8 and I'm shooting worst than my 7'2 with a lower 3 but has higher offense consistency. And in the rec with over 40 games played I'm shooting over 70 percent from the field and 3 on my 7'2. It pretty much turns more of ur whites into greens. That's what I think
@Gregory-pi3oc k thanks I'll look.
@@Gregory-pi3ocwhat’s your 3ball on your 7’2?
Damn all city had dreads
Ok so my thing is, is how do you calculate the OC after getting the 864 number? What do you divide in order to find out your exact OC?
Well I guess if you divide 99 by 864 you get .114 which means about every 11 stats you upgrade (blue, green, or orange) you should get another upgrade.
@@Tcat_333 yea so I realized (for example) if you go from 640 to 740 which is a 100 point attribute difference, you get a +10 to your offensive consistency. If you go from 640 to 650 you get +1 OC. If you go 640 to 660 you get +2 OC. If you go from 640 to 670 you get + 3 OC. I did my own testing and math and it adds up. So basically every 10 you go up you get a +1 OC, if you go up 20 you get a +2 OC, if you go up 50 you get a +5 OC, if you go up 100 you get a +10 OC. So its pretty similar to what you also think. We’re not far off at all
If you were gonna remake your PG13 build for 99 OC instead of 97 OC what would you change?
It’d have to be perimeter defense down and then whatever is the cheapest on offense up
Hey for a Pg 6’3 would rather have 87 layup gold float game 65 strength gold fearless finishes or 88 layup hof float game 60 strength silver fearless finishes ?
How do you change your offensive consistency? Is that like only in my career? This doesn’t apply for online does it?
100 shot sample size is way too small to be able to determine anything. Add in the fact that human error is an obvious large factor when discussing millisecond frame green windows and that pretty much negates any relevance this test may have had. Lastly, it also could be possible that OC specifically has an effect on mycareer games but doesnt have any affect in rec or other online modes.. If you really wanted to prove there is a statistical shooting difference with higher OC builds I would recommend you use a MUCH larger sample size of shots and use multiple game modes.
i agree with you mostly; however, you've missed the point of the video. I shouldn't have to be the one testing these stats. i made a claim based on YEARS of personal experience and 2k labs and tutes made a conclusion based off one poorly run test. they need to do better and my years of experience are telling me that this stat is important. this test is relevant though because it's across 3 separate games and as i said 3 statistically is a pattern.
Had a feeling OC ment something
Which attribute stat will affect the OC? Is it the free throws? I saw that was the only difference on those two builds
Every single blue, green, and orange stat will affect OC
go look up 2k16 i think we had to do a drill in practice it would take up ur OC people was tryna hide that
Fr in 2k17 I did the oc glitch and I was lights out with 60 3pt lockdown
Does the vision cue matters when doing a pull up?? I mean, if is on jump do i have to make the release faster than if is on release??
Yes it does
How you get 99 OC my build has 617 total blue & green attributes but only a 89 OC when maxed out?? I thought all u needed was 601??
So the community discovered through there research that playmaking also factors into the numbers
@@Tcat_333 so is the total more than 601 now if you count playmaking?
Hey I been telling everyone about this!! But I have a question. Have you noticed the oc changing? I had a 90 oc and then I went to the rec, had a bad game and checked it and it dropped to 83... did u notice that? Also, there's a defensive consistency attribute too? What's that all about?
I don’t believe OC shifts based on performance but yes I did notice there’s defensive consistency and haven’t tested it much yet
@@Tcat_333 it definitely shifts. Idk what causes it. Have a bad shooting game and then check it to see if it's the same