I was able to argue with 10 knowledgeable people, but I would definitely lose to an ignorant person, because the ignorant person never understood the foundation of knowledge.
1. The Quran says: (157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. (Al-A’raf 7:157) 2. The Quran said: “(6) And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic.” (Al-Saff 61:6
10:04 here This rapper cooked himself like this: Here he says: "The Quran says we’ll find him by (NAME)" 👉 This verse 1 I mentioned above, didn’t mention by "NAME" !! Then he immediately said: "the Quran said: Jesus said: a messenger named Ahmed come after me" 👉 This is not what the verse mention, the verse 2 from other chapter I mentioned above There is NO verse mentioned in Quran like this (whom they find written "by NAME" among them in the Torah and the Gospel). but you will find in Quran: (( whom they find written among them in the Torah and the Gospel )). (7:157). VERSE 1 (7:157): "Whom they find written …" 🧐👉 Does this mean his descriptions, actions or name ? The verse did not specifically mention his name. VERSE 2 (61:6): when Jesus said: "bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad …" 🤔👉 Did the disciples write his name specifically after Jesus said or they mention his descriptions or actions ? Because the verse 1 (7:157) mentioned that it was written only, without describing what kind things was written ? Was it his name or his descriptions ? If we assume that his name is written “Ahmed". Is the Bible now the same as the book of the disciples ? All roads lead to Rome
He just distorted the words of Jesus in his book before, and now he distorts the words of Jesus in sound and image in the Qur’an. He mixed 1+2 different verses to invented a complex trinity virgin text, it’s not there. Same like when he try explain the trinity from his bag rather than his Bible.
1. The Quran says: "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful." (7:157) 2. The Quran says: “And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic.” (61:6)
@@sebastianniccals4617 VERSE 1 (7:157): "Whom they find written …" - Does this mean his descriptions, actions or name ? The verse did not specifically mention his name. VERSE 2 (61:6): when Jesus said: "bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad …" - Did the disciples write his name specifically after Jesus said or they mention his descriptions or actions ? Because the verse 1 (7:157) mentioned that it was written only, without describing what kind things was written ? Was it his name or his descriptions ?
@@OnlyTrueGod. that was the point the christian was making🙈 there is no claim of that anywhere before the koran, so for 700 years, there was no evidence of Jesus saying anything like that. it's only claimed in one religious book that came 700 years after jesus... and muslims take it as a fact, come on... you see how unlikely that is?🤣😂🤣
I see 4.9k comments and thought that Muslims commenting it , unfortunately God logic bots😂 are gathered here to make him he won debate under Muslim channels . children fathered by David Wood,shamuun and God logic Never have true intellectuals😂🤣,all arguments of God logic,shammuun and David wood is that assumptions on Quran and hadith and misinterpreting it,but Muslims have much against Bible texts, Muslims argument:Christians worship man and have bad Bible text, Christians argument:Muslim worship pure monotheistic God and bad Quran text. In general who won? Of course Muslims
As someone who has been watching Speaker's Corner debates, I expected more from Mansur (he's one of the more knowledgeable Da'i)...but he received a one sided thrashing
All I saw were just bullies. Mansur didn't even have a chance to talk. They only let Mansur say what they wanted to hear and didn't let him speak what they didn't want to hear
The Quran does not even say you wil find the prophet by name ahmed in the bible, he was lying in the first place and he deceived, anyone bring me the verse if you want too debate me.
1. The Almighty’s saying: “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written among them in the Torah and the Gospel” (Al-A’raf: 157) 2. The Almighty said: “And when Jesus, son of Mary, said, O Children of Israel, indeed I am the Messenger of God to you, confirming what was before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a Messenger who will come from above His name is Ahmed” (Al-Saff: 6) 3. The Almighty says: “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel. He enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them from what is right The evil” (Al-A’raf: 157) 4. The Almighty says: “And those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel. He enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them, peace be upon him And He will make lawful for them the good things and forbid for them the evil ones, and will remove from them their burden and the shackles that were upon them.” (Al-A’raf: 157) These are the main verses that mention that the Prophet Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, is mentioned in the previous heavenly books
10:04 here he This clown cooked himself Here he says: The Qur’an said that you will find it in His (name). These are all the verses in the Qur’an. The Qur’an did not say what they find with them (by name). The word of the name is in another verse with a different wording. Here he distorted the Qur’an in sound and image just as he distorted his book before.
Why would you ,do the research and you will see the Christian made up his claim! The Quran does not say what he claims ,that's why the Muslim let him dig his own whole!
I see 4.9k comments and thought that Muslims commenting it , unfortunately God logic bots😂 are gathered here to make him he won debate under Muslim channels . children fathered by David Wood,shamuun and God logic Never have true intellectuals😂🤣,all arguments of God logic,shammuun and David wood is that assumptions on Quran and hadith and misinterpreting it,but Muslims have much against Bible texts, Muslims argument:Christians worship man and have bad Bible text, Christians argument:Muslim worship pure monotheistic God and bad Quran text. In general who won? Of course Muslims
How the heck u can be so so so so so so so so so so so so stupid that u believe a person(paul)100000 times more than u believe in jesus cus he contradicted everything what jesus said. And who was people, a man who murdered thousands of Christians and when he was about to be punished by christins then he lied that he saw jesus and jesus told him all those, it's like saying hitler made himself apostle of jew after murdering 20 million jews😂😂😂😂😂.
@@aspreedacore you must be a lil kd to think that way! 😂 Mansur literally explained why he did not say "yes" or "no" to that stp question but he answered it his way, he didn't want to let this xtian fl to manipulate the discussion, because instead of giving Mansur time to speak!
Bruh ain’t that funny? Dog logic asking this question while fully aware that he or any Christian doesn’t possess any complete manuscript from the first century is bit of a irony😂😂😂
Dog logic: what is the injeel Mansur: the UNCORRUPPETED GOSPEL OF JESUS. Mansur : is the bible the gospels of jesus( not mark matthew luke etc...) Dog logic: we are not here to verify that the bible is the gospel of jesus 😂😂😂😂😂 self owned 😂😂😂😂
@@saburrashid5566 the word Jesus was not mentioned by name in the old testament because the letter J was not there yet , but the prophecy continues. It shows that Jesus was the Messiah that supposed to come in this world to die for your sins, but Allah take him of the cross , so who is the lair ?
@@aynzomeister the point is that mansur doesn’t want him to limits or choose the way he answers, that’s why he said “don’t play games” and btw he answered the question by saying that god can’t be wrong
He lost what ?? He didn’t refute mansur ,he didn’t let him answered the way he like and then he said “you refuse to answer” I can see clearly how is liying . So not hearing the answer is not a way to win the debate @@3yearsago826
Have you ever read the red letter bible? Suppose "Jesus" lived for 30 years before taking up the gospel... how much did he talk in those 30 years? Surely... he would've uttered more than a few lines in one day than all the lines in the red letter bible...
Mansur tried all the tricks in his outdated dawah script, but could not get Avery's foot off his neck. Dude had to look for the lamest excuse to run. He heaped several insults and mockeries on Avery, referring to Avery having verbal diarrhea and a memory problem. Only to run when Avery called out one of his tricks.
You are wrong. Your avery running away from the core point of how do we know what is reliable and how do we verify it. Its not an insult when he clearly says what mansour didnt say. But to say to someone that he is a liar is an insult. The childish behavior with his fanclub is intellectual very low and without any manners. Learn about the bible and see how many changes were done. The Bible is the most unreliable Book you can find out there. Look at the Vatikan and the history of your centre of christianity. But who cares. He died for us. We are saved. We have no Responsibilities.
I see 4.9k comments and thought that Muslims commenting it , unfortunately God logic bots😂 are gathered here to make him he won debate under Muslim channels . children fathered by David Wood,shamuun and God logic Never have true intellectuals😂🤣,all arguments of God logic,shammuun and David wood is that assumptions on Quran and hadith and misinterpreting it,but Muslims have much against Bible texts, Muslims argument:Christians worship man and have bad Bible text, Christians argument:Muslim worship pure monotheistic God and bad Quran text. In general who won? Of course Muslims
As an ex Muslim Mansur looked like a fool. Didn’t answer a single question like the typical black stone kisser he is. Then when gets called a liar, which he is, he runs away.
Literally you don’t even know what the black stone is my guy said ex Muslim how can you follow a religion of pagan beliefs and a man god who came down got defeated by his own creation and now we are all sinless. So in the world of Christian’s Hitler , Mussolini and king Leopold are all in heaven right now they believe in Christ as a god. Lmfaooo what a joke
@@user-yj5yv5ju7v are you trying to say I’m a fake ex Muslim? You know there’s no such thing as a fake ex Muslim according to Islam? You claim everyone is born a Muslim, this means anyone who doesn’t believe in Islam is automatically a real ex Muslim. This is why you say revert instead of convert.
@@user-yj5yv5ju7v currently the population of Muslims is around 1.8 billion. So if we do some maths, 8 billion minus 1.8 billion = 6.2 billion ex Muslims according to Islam.
Victory❓️⁉️🤔👀🧐 Muslims are only in the park to give dawah ‼️‼️🧐👀🧐 Maybe y'all just wanna score points , even though y'all would just lie about your own bibles ‼️‼️🧐👀🧐
Mansur kept asking if he was finished and your GoneLogic never wanted to hand the platform to Mansur knowing the direction Mansur was taking. He was about to debunk the authenticity of the Bible and GoneLogic knows he wouldn't be able to climb out of that hole lol.
Don’t be dense, you can’t have a fruitful conversation with someone who cuts you off when speaking, states that you refuse to answer questions when CLEARY asked “will you allow me to answer you” and then reply with no you can’t answer, call them a liar just because they called you out for interrupting them and have backup dancers cheering and clapping as if it’s a circus. Why wouldn’t someone “run away” from that, there’s nothing to be gained intellectually at that point and it’s something praiseworthy because a lot of people’s ego wouldn’t allow them to remove themselves from that scenario even though it’s the correct thing to do even if it is perceived by the disingenuous as “running away”
@@izzatfahmi9707 you could be a good Muslim if you just say "ok this time things didn't go well and our guys messed up. But islam still has better answers". But if you can't even accept that God logic won this time then you are hopelessly dishonest
@@hisokamorrow6111Stupid people are the most difficult people to argue with, unfortunately there are still people who are even dumber who believe that stupid people win the argument because of his knowledge..
I mean, it’s just that mansur didn’t want to be controlled by him, the obvious answer is no god doesn’t make mistakes but he was literally gonna answer it if godlogic let him speak.
A prophet is someone SENT by God, God is not a prophet by definition, they are mutually exclusive. If this man was GOD, he would never have claimed to be a prophet or called a prophet by those who saw him. Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
Luke 7:16 Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!” John 4:19 The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Matthew 21:46 When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. John 6:14 Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” John 7:40 Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.” John 9:17 So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.” Luke 24:19 And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, Mark 6:15 But others were saying, “He is Elijah.” And others were saying, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.” Mark 8:28 They told Him, saying, “John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.” Luke 9:8 and by some that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the prophets of old had risen again. OK, so Jesus doesnt refute anybody calling him a Prophet, he reaffirms it😇 Luke 13:33 . . . . I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be kwil. Led except in Jerusalem. Mark 6:3-4 Then they scoffed . . . . They were deeply off. nded and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family”. In the above two verses, Jesus called himself a prophet. There are also many verses indicating that during his lifetime on earth the people in Judea and Galilee regarded him as a prophet. Regarding the verses in which Jesus says that he is equal to God (mainly in the Gospel of John) most scholars believe that Jesus never said that. It was what people started saying about him after his deaff and put on his lips in the Gospels written at least 4 decades later.,
Jesus Christ not God. It is clear from the verses below that he was indeed 100% man. John 17.3...jesus says to the father...that they may know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus whom you sent. John 20.17 Jesus says....I am ascending to my father and your father, my God and your God. Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man… Numbers 23:19 (NRSV) God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal… Hosea 11:9 For I am God, and not man- the Holy One among you..
1. The Quran says: (157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. (Al-A’raf 7:157) 2. The Quran said: “(6) And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic.” (Al-Saff 61:6)
10:04 here This rapper cooked himself like this: Here he says: The Quran says we’ll (find) him by (NAME). - This verse 1, I mentioned above, didn’t mention "by NAME" !!! Then he immediately mention other verse: the Quran said: Jesus said: a messenger named Ahmed come after me. - This is from other chapter, verse 2 I mentioned above, not 1 The issue is there is NO verse mentioned in Quran like this (( whom they find written "by NAME" among them in the Torah and the Gospel )), but you will find in Quran: (( whom they find written among them in the Torah and the Gospel )). (7:157). VERSE 1 (7:157): "Whom they find written …" - Does this mean his descriptions, actions or name ? The verse did not specifically mention his name. VERSE 2 (61:6): when Jesus said: "bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad …" - Did the disciples write his name specifically after Jesus said or they mention his descriptions or actions ? Because the verse 1 (7:157) mentioned that it was written only, without describing what kind things was written ? Was it his name or his descriptions ? If we assume that his name is written “Ahmed,” is the Bible now the same as the book of the disciples, with the same original languages. ??! All roads lead to Rome
He just distorted the words of Jesus in his book before, and now he distorts the words of Jesus in sound and image in the Qur’an. He mixed 1+2 different verses to invented a complex trinity virgin text, it’s not there. Same like when he try explain the trinity from his bag rather than his Bible.
@@JamalBaruch No meat head, the point that Your dawah boy just proved allah lied that Jesus said a prophet named Ahmed will come after him. were can we find that😂😂😂😂
@calledtoserve729 that's point.....you cant. Because eyour Bible has been corrupted by human hands. Allah saying that in Quran isn't referring to YOUR BIBLE its referring to the original that has been Corrupted (Injeel). Which is what Mansurs point was , however God logic didn't want him to answer as he knew he'd be wrong.
@@Moody.Smiruai Wrong, Your Quran in Surah 7:157 says The Torah and Injeel is written and is with Them. but if you gonna argue then let's ask you. WHAT IS THE INJEEL? and can you quote a reference were we can find Muhammad otherwise your Quran is false. that's the correct point
Hosea 13:16 teaches to unalive pregnant women Numbers 31:17-18 teaches to take young girls first yourself Mathew 10:33-34 teaches that Jesus came NOT to bring peace This is enough evidence that proves that the Torah and Bible are not what they were origin and they will bring guitars, drums, and etc to try and make their lies more deliverable 🤡
Instead of you to seek the truth and free yourself from the lake of hell fire you are busy applauding God logic that isn't sincere.I pray Allah help you and eventually guide you all to islam.Amin
@@chezpieceMansour can't answer simple questions is God always correct, he had to resort to well there are missing scriptures when Jesus himself said heaven and earth shall can away but my word shall never pass away
Muslim like to make many questions in a row when they don’t have a answer for a question, godlogic doesn’t let them do it and hold them to the point that’s why no Muslim ever can’t advance in a conversation with him 🤷🏽♂️ unless he’s honest! The answer to the question of godlogic is very simple we don’t have avídence of any documents saying that Jesus said that !
@noelnunez4918 did you not understand mansur logic. He stated. Christians don't even know what jesus said or did. There are godpales and books which are not even in the bible. Gospal of thomas. The fact that you are unaware of what can be attributed to jesus. The fact that only god can say what jesus said or did. Yet since we don't need the evidence of what jesus said or did. Example. Noas arc happend. Yet we don't have noa''s arc. By your logic. Since we don't have the tangible evidence that noa had a boat. That never happend. This is what christian logic and doglogic don't understand. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence
@@noelnunez4918 Brother Mansur asked a correct question to expose the assumption in Godlogic's question, which is that the bible itself has to be reliably preserved to see what Jesus really said and didn't say. Since the Bible is obviously corrupted, it can simply be said that Jesus mentioning Muhammad ﷺ was not preserved. Since even what you Christians possess of the bible is so heavily corrupted and changed, and has interpolations like 1 John 5:7.
Also, if you notice in the past he used to always say, because the verses also mention Injeel, "The name Ahmed is never mentioned anywhere in the bible which proves Islam is false" instead of saying "in the OT", but after Hamza's Den debate where Hamza brought John 21:25 which proves his ignorance about his religion and even the verse mocks his claim, so instead of learning from his mistake and becoming better, he turns to make a new lie to suit his needs of proving his religion... MAN this guy is undebatably going straight to hell even according to his Bible's standards 😅
@@vahithabanu3133 I understand your point but let's be real not only does he disbelieve in Islam after learning about it, but he also intentionally lies about it, and he is even making emotional arguments like "Is Jesus a Muslim?" as if that disapproves Islam, so honestly brother such people are choosing and running to hell and can be compared to Abu Lahab or say they are worse
What is your point about John 21:25? I want to know because if your Allah clai the name Ahmed was in what was in the hands of the Jews and Christians, then we should be able to find it in waraqa bin nufal injil the hadith says he wrote them in Arabic in volume 1 book 1 sahih bukhari.
@@omotoshotaiwoolanrew 1. Allah never said that but Allah SW said we will find descriptions of Prophet SAW in your books which is true as the channels (Proving Islam), (Dots Connected 2 Islam) and others showed, but of course if you accept it then you will no longer be a Christian. 2. Give the hadith code so I and the people can see if you are a liar or not, and I will wait.
@@omotoshotaiwoolanrew😂😂He is a liar, bring the Hadith, even so their scribes have translated their Bible so many times, that they have altered it took passages out added their own words, so what they have is not the words of Allah, it's words of men
here we knew your level why do you say like trush cant you write good thing no low level child say muslim have all beatynot like animas or cristiens who says tree equal one christianity mkes you withot nor gol or mind
15:10 Mansur said “That really shows the intellectual maturity of the Christian crowd” bruuuuhhh! Every Muslim there don’t answer questions and most of them want to fight smh
@@BinYakub80 because Jesus told us wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it, but narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life and there are few that find it.
@@timmymannies6888 Didn't answer or your boy never wanted to hear it? He kept asking till the end "Are you finished?". GoneLogic seems to have infected you lots too lol.
@@yourpapa6641 that was a different question that you're referring too. Mansur didn't even address the first question in his response, because its quite clear he didn't know the answer. Your Dawah guys don't want to learn by questioning but outsmart others, Hamza, Mansur, and Siraj are all dishonest cowards who never accept that they are wrong.
It's impossible to have an intelligent or honest conversation either someone who can't even spell one of the most popular Muslim names properly, the irony is so thick I could iron my clothes with it!! 😂
God does not like to be worshiped blindly and without proof and Paul told you so. The words of Jesus are the basis of the faith of every Christian who truly calls himself a true follower of Jesus. Jesus said to his true followers: “Search the scriptures, for you believe that in them you have eternal life, and they are the ones that testify of me. » (John 5:39). Jesus said: (John 14:23) “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. » Paul said, “So FAITH comes by HEARING, and HEARING comes from “THE WORD OF CHRIST.” » (Romans 10:17). Jesus said when the high priest asked him to speak about his doctrine and teachings, and he answered him in all simplicity with, “I have spoken openly to the world; I have always taught in the synagogue and in the temple, where all the Jews assemble, and I have said nothing in secret. » (John, 18:20). Did Jesus say or teach anything in secret? No. SO, Where did Jesus teach openly or secretly in the synagogue and in the temple, where all the Jews assembled, that he had two natures!!!? SO, So if you meet Jesus and he will tell you: Where did I teach about the Trinity? Where did I teach about original sin? Where did I teach the possession of two natures? Where did I teach that I am god? Where have I taught my worship? Where I taught the incarnation of god? Where did I teach that the holy spirit is god? Where have I taught that I am the word? Where I taught that I am the creator of all things? Where I taught that I was god and then became man? What are you going to answer him!!!? Prepare your answers which don't even exist in the Bible. And after your failure to respond, he will say to your face: “I never knew you, depart from me, you who work iniquity. » (Matthew 7:23). Jesus will tell you: get out, I don't want to see your face anymore... you left my teachings and you followed those of the churches, the servants of Satan! The greatest iniquity is to say that Jesus is god and the greatest blasphemy is to lie by saying that Jesus taught us the trinity, original sin, his divinity, his worship, his two natures, his incarnation, the divinity of saint spirit ...
Ah yes, Mansor, the one who said a few years back that there is only one ''perfectly preserved, not one dot, letter, vowel, word that has been changed'' Guess who were the ones who exposed that lie?
What about “The Woman Caught in Adultery”? Looking back at John 7:53-8:11, it is clear this story was not in John’s original gospel. Your Bible likely has brackets around this story with a note that says something like “The earliest manuscripts do not include 7:53-8:11.” This is because the only manuscript before the ninth century to include this story was one from the fifth century found in western Europe (further from where John wrote) and also deviates from earlier manuscripts in other key areas. Other copies from the tenth century onward that have it, often place it, or variations of it, in different places throughout the gospels. It only became more common in its current form and location in manuscripts dating from the Middle Ages. On the other hand, every other early manuscript omits it, notably including two of the earliest and most reliable manuscripts, called Papyrus 66 and Papyrus 75 that date from the second or early third century and were found in Egypt (closer to where John wrote). Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest complete copy of the New Testament (c. 325 CE), does not include it either. No pastor or theologian from the eastern side of the early church references it until the tenth century. In their commentaries and sermons, they go directly from John 7:52 to 8:12 (keep in mind that current chapter and verse breakdowns were added later). Finally, all the earliest translations of the Greek New Testament (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Old Latin, and Georgian) skip this story as well.
So did Jesus' earliest followers consider him to be God? EHRMAN: Well, what I argue in the book is that during his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God and that none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God. The way it works is that you do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, our last Gospel. Jesus says things like: Before Abraham was, I am, and I and the father are one, and if you've seen me, you've see the father. These are all statements that you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier Gospels, and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things about him. I think it's completely implausible that Matthew, Mark and Luke would not mention that Jesus called himself God if that's what he was declaring about himself. That would be a rather important point to make. So this is not an unusual view among scholars. It's simply the view that the Gospel of John is providing a theological understand of Jesus that is not what was historically accurate. GROSS: Jesus was referred to as the king of the Jews. Did he call himself that, and what did that mean it is time? Do we know? Can we have any idea what that meant in its time? EHRMAN: Yeah, we do know, and actually to be a king of the Jews simply meant literally, being the king over Israel. It is a very difficult question to get to, what Jesus taught about himself because of the nature of our gospels, but one thing is relatively certain, that that the reason the Romans crucified Jesus was precisely because he was calling himself the king of Israel. Now, Jesus obviously was not the king. So what might he have meant by it? Well, what scholars have long thought is that Jesus was talking about not being put on the throne by means of some kind of political show of power, but that Jesus thought the world as he knew it was coming to an end and God was going to bring in a kingdom, a new kingdom in which there would be no more injustice or oppression or poverty or suffering of any kind. And in this kingdom, Jesus appears to have thought that he himself would be the future king. And so Jesus meant this not in the regular political sense but in a kind of apocalyptic sense, that at the end of the age, this is what was going to happen: he was going to be installed as king. GROSS: So Jesus saw himself as the messiah. What else did that mean in its time? EHRMAN: Well, a lot of Christians today have a wrong idea about what the messiah was supposed to be. The word messiah is a Hebrew word that literally means the anointed one. This was used in reference to the kings of Israel. The ancient kings of Israel, when they became king during the coronation ceremony, would have oil poured on their head as a sign of divine favor. And so the king of Israel was called God's anointed one, the messiah. There came a point at which there was no longer a king ruling Israel, and some Jewish thinkers began to maintain that there would be a future king of Israel, a future anointed one, and they called that one the messiah. And so the messiah for most Jews simply referred to the future king of Israel. And so when Jesus told his disciples that he himself was the messiah, he was saying that in the future, when God establishes the kingdom once more, I myself will be the king of that kingdom. And so it's not that the messiah was supposed to be God. The messiah was not supposed to be God. The messiah was a human being who would be the future king, and that's probably what Jesus taught his disciples that he was😮😮
A prophet is someone SENT by God, God is not a prophet by definition, they are mutually exclusive. If this man was GOD, he would never have claimed to be a prophet or called a prophet by those who saw him. Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
Luke 7:16 Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!” John 4:19 The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Matthew 21:46 When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. John 6:14 Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” John 7:40 Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.” John 9:17 So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.” Luke 24:19 And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, Mark 6:15 But others were saying, “He is Elijah.” And others were saying, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.” Mark 8:28 They told Him, saying, “John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.” Luke 9:8 and by some that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the prophets of old had risen again. OK, so Jesus doesnt refute anybody calling him a Prophet, he reaffirms it😇 Luke 13:33 . . . . I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be kwil. Led except in Jerusalem. Mark 6:3-4 Then they scoffed . . . . They were deeply off. nded and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family”. In the above two verses, Jesus called himself a prophet. There are also many verses indicating that during his lifetime on earth the people in Judea and Galilee regarded him as a prophet. Regarding the verses in which Jesus says that he is equal to God (mainly in the Gospel of John) most scholars believe that Jesus never said that. It was what people started saying about him after his deaff and put on his lips in the Gospels written at least 4 decades later.,
Jesus Christ not God. It is clear from the verses below that he was indeed 100% man. John 17.3...jesus says to the father...that they may know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus whom you sent. John 20.17 Jesus says....I am ascending to my father and your father, my God and your God. Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man… Numbers 23:19 (NRSV) God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal… Hosea 11:9 For I am God, and not man- the Holy One among you..
For me, the biggest evidence is that Paul followers ALWAYS QUOTE PAUL, OR THE LAST GOSPEL JOHN, as their evidences And their own scholars say John is the LEAST AUTHENTIC, written by multiple authors, hundreds of miles and years away from Jesus. And this is the book that elevates Jesus, at least tries. They never ever quote Mark or luke, the earlier Gospels, where Jesus is a prophet and messiah, sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, by his own admission. This is the biggest red flag that Paul followers are misguided. ALL THEIR favourite quotes come from the froindulent Gospel of John. Even Mark isn't safe. 16.8 is where Mark ends,as the earliest manuscripts end there.. But the 'long ending' of Mark, 16.9 to 20, has the resurrection, Jesus sitting on right side of God etc Their own academia acknowledge this, that 9 to 20 are later interpolation and its common knowledge except for the blind followers who have not studied what they are basing their salvation on 🤦
@@98593le I’m not a debater. I leave it for God logic to get him busted. He couldn’t even answer no questions. He said so much and nothing at the same time.
Is there really any muslims who thinks mansur walked away with his honor intact? He heard the question and came up with an escape plan. Godlogic humiliated him and I haven't seen any other debate with godlogic apart from the one with uthman. Really muslims is it really that bad to be honest and say that godlogic took your boy mansur without any vaseline?
Maybe if he didn't have his cheerleaders you'd have a point. There's just no reason to debate someone who wants to force you into multiple choice questions and then the moment you say anything he cuts you off and his audience drone out.
@@biggestboss7911 HAHAHA, you know the christians have started to do that in the park because of the muslims. Watch any video with muslims they gang up and try to intimidate people use violence and scare tactics. They just use your own tactics against you and when the bully gets bullied they cry about it its always the same. Every muslim who debates an educated christian will always lose your religion is a joke with all respect. There is a reason why the known scholars dont want to debate christians on stage like zakir naik dodging christian prince. The sheik who debated Godlogic in speakers corner who didnt want to debate anymore because he fooled him. Or mansur who always gets beaten up. The only time you guys "win" is when you find people who are not even christian just white people who you fool and play with to seem stupid so you can post videos and laugh like uthman does all the time. He goes up to random white people.
@@biggestboss7911 It was an easy question about what is ultimate/God. No need for Mansur to even hesitate for a second and waste everyones time and patience and then actually play the VICTIM and run away because you were afraid to be exposed further!! Mansur lost the debate and was outwitted by the simplest of questions about faith and was also a very poor loser. He lost just man up and admit it!!
It was an easy question about what is ultimate/God. No need for Mansur to even hesitate for second and waste everyones time and patience and then actually play the VICTIM and run away because you were afraid to be exposed further!! Mansur lost the debate and was outwitted by the simplest of questions about faith and was also a very poor loser. He lost just man up and admit it!!
@georgedoyle2487 if it's an easy question, let him answer it, lol. I feel like if you have the truth, you wouldn't be scared of letting the other person talk because no matter what they say, it wouldn't be able to hold up to scrutiny. If you don't have the patience for debate, then don't debate. Let them answer and if the answer was avoiding the question then call them out on it and win that way, doglogic didn't want to let him speak nor because it was a waste of time but because he was afraid since if Mansur answered and it was fluff it would've still resulting in doglogic winning the debate. Just common sense.
He got angry because the other guy avoided his question and wasn’t listening, laughing and looking around so he decided to do the same. Plus the question in the beginning is invalid.
Nope , the Doglogic knew that he would be humiliated and never allowed Mansur to answer, Doglogic fanboys and fangirls like to thump up rhetoric so that the Muslim is not allowed to respond ,.. Yiu see , the trick yes and No means that the trick question has multiple answers and any answer will be met with another trickster answer ..
I see 4.9k comments and thought that Muslims commenting it , unfortunately God logic bots😂 are gathered here to make him he won debate under Muslim channels . children fathered by David Wood,shamuun and God logic Never have true intellectuals😂🤣,all arguments of God logic,shammuun and David wood is that assumptions on Quran and hadith and misinterpreting it,but Muslims have much against Bible texts, Muslims argument:Christians worship man and have bad Bible text, Christians argument:Muslim worship pure monotheistic God and bad Quran text. In general who won? Of course Muslims
@@user-hj3rz6xt5m See difference between Muslims commentary and Christians, Christians gathered under god logic channel to mock about Islam and laugh Even they included a concept never there in a debate,but Muslim not mock Christians believe because Muslims believe that only Islam is true and Christians need salvation from worshipping man as God. Christians mocked their religion by saying that Man is God and killed by Jews and Romans 😂🤣
@@nedunwosu90 Jesus is one of the greatest servants of the Most High, but nevertheless he is just a slave before his Creator. Jesus will not save you from the Fire either, only Allah can do that.
@@dawoodal-qayrawani6921 You know nothing of Jesus, your Qur'an is a deception, Esa in the Qur'an is not Jesus. Muhammed never met Jesus, Muhammed doesn't even know what Christians believe. Your book is full of misinformation and misunderstanding. There is not a single historical event in the Qur'an that can be cross referenced with archeological evidence. There's also too much doubt amongst the companions of Muhammed about what is even supposed to be in the Qur'an and even doubt about whether he was receiving revelation at all or simply copying from other sources and let's not forget that even your own prophet claims to have received revelation from satan, he originally had intended to include parts of pagan beliefs about his moon gods daughters but his companions rejected it and so he pretended it was revelation from satan... Like come on...
@@Al3XB85ya. Isa is the grandson of Imran and the nephew of Harun (which also makes him the nephew of Musa). And the son of Maryam (the one who is the daughter of Amram as well as the sister of Aaron & Moses). That’s not Jesus.
classic example of the dawah team just farming content uploading anything when their was not clips or destryoing going on in this whole 21 minutes, they just proceeded to commit running the goalpost fallacy thousands of times
nologic didn't let him speak at all kept cutting him all the time that what he always does not letting people respond because if Mansur responds nologic gonna be cooked
You just proved how delusional Avery fans are so that is why popular Muslim preachers don't care about debating him because you all imagine every cowardly act he does and lies as if it is "cooking" so I ask you a question no Christian has accepts to answer me in it, according to your religion if a Christian preacher lies about other religions to win debates and convert people to Christianity does that mean he will still enter Christian heaven without at least punishment?
On what planet do you need more than a yes or no answer for whether God can be wrong?... Surely you can see only satan would need to complicate such a simple question
@@purpleprinc3lol not in this instance. Do you believe God could ever be wrong? That is a yes or no question that should only be answered no. God could never be wrong because he’s God! Period!
@@danielatsbha5410You Muslims try hard to put his name in the bible, but you fail it everytime. You say gospel is corrupted, so why do you care if his name is in the barnabas gospel or not?
Godlogic out here with the barbecue, cooking the dawahgandists. These guys don't look too good when they're not trying to debate tourists or being 7 vs 1 on a live stream they control.
While they think avery guy is winning, few thousand people are reverting to Islam right in this second. so looking at stats we all know who's truly winning.
Nope!! The fact is that masses of Muslims are secretly apostatising and have left Islam already in their hearts but just follow the rituals and practices to survive in Islamic states under religious apartheid in order to not bring down the wrath of Arabisation and sharia law upon themselves. Moreover, according to Dr Duane Alexander Miller, who has studied religious conversion from Islam to Christianity and the shari'a's treatment of apostates and also has published research on Christian missionaries in the Ottoman Empire…. “Around the world people are leaving Islam for Christianity in unprecedented numbers.” [Dr Duane Alexander Miller]. Furthermore, it actually speaks volumes that In an interview at Al Jazeera in 2000, Sheikh Ahmad al Katani confirmed this and stated that in Africa… “Because of the Christian missionaries every hour Islam loses 667 Muslims [who] convert to Christianity, every day 16,000, [and] every year six million" [Abdallah 2000] Also look up appeal to consensus fallacy. It wouldn’t matter one jot even if Islam was the largest and fastest growing religion in the world - right? This is a basic logical fallacy known as the APPEAL TO CONSENSUS FALLACY. Colloquially known as the BAND WAGON FALLACY. Sorry but your argument totally fails and is logically fallacious!! I rest my case!!
@@TR13400Of course not. Mansur is just not in the mood for boring games that day… You see the thing is, we don’t believe that God came down to earth as one of his own creations and commited suicide. Your Bible even contradicts that. Jesus was praying to God in fact putting his head on the ground prostrating like Muslims do and that’s from your Bible. So when he started avoiding questions Mansur did the same thing. Invalid questions… Whether Jesus said it in the Bible or not it won’t make a difference that’s the point, cause it’s corrupted, unreliable…
They are blind followers. They don't even know what the argument being presented. For instance, when he asks Mansur does he believe those are authentic, Mansur says no, but Avery believes them to be. But Avery and other Christians do not see the issue here. It's Avery making the argument from his scripture. So whether Mansur sees it as authentic or not doesn't matter, it is Avery who needs to reconcile this and fails to do so. Avery also runs from the argument of authentication of his scripture as this is the basis of his argument. The fact these Christians don't seem to grasp this shows they are just writing nonsense rather than deal with the points brought up.
@sycorez No you are missing the argument. The point is you cannot prove that Jesus was Muslim, or CHRISTIAN, OR ANYTHING JESUS believed if you don't have historical evidence to prove it.
Talking to Dog Logic is like playing chess with a pigeon, the pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, craps on the board, then struts around like he won.
Godlogic asked a simple question give me any early source where jesus mentions ahmed. And radahn in many words said no early source mentioned Muhammad .As he couldn't provide any its really easy yall dont need to cope 🤣🤣🤲🏾
It's clear the guy is not allowing to let Mansur answer. Show the insincerity. And Mansur was right. Immature behaviour by the guy and his backup dancers
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@@solomonthomas7444Yeah because they were debating whether or not Jesus AS told his disciples about Muhammad SAW. So if the Bible has accounts of Paul's dreams of supposedly seeing Jesus AS, how is that proof of anything 😅
@@user25895Where did Jesus name Muhammad? Do u have the "true injeel" or are you going to quote the "corrupted bible" to prove your point? Can u show us the verse please?
Christians doing what they do best! Talk rubbish, ask a question and then keep interupting when the other person is trying to answer and then get happy that you "won" the debate
@@MuslimResponder“When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.” - Deuteronomy 18:22 Now what Muhammad said about him being mentioned in the injeel is falsed No where to be found That makes him false prophet Now this is torah
By dismantling your boy which made him unable to let Mansur speak?! Lol, 😂 it's ironic when he failed to answer Mansur directly and then he wanted him to answer yes or no so he could talk more! 🤣
@@israfilangel8062 you wont even give valid information Your own book says Muhammad is mentioned as ahmed 🤣🤣 And we cant find this ahmed anywhere That means Muhammad is a liar as simple as that
Logic strategy is not let the other person answer and have his Christian friends in the back cheer in a strange attempt to make it seem like he won the discussion.
What about “The Woman Caught in Adultery”? Looking back at John 7:53-8:11, it is clear this story was not in John’s original gospel. Your Bible likely has brackets around this story with a note that says something like “The earliest manuscripts do not include 7:53-8:11.” This is because the only manuscript before the ninth century to include this story was one from the fifth century found in western Europe (further from where John wrote) and also deviates from earlier manuscripts in other key areas. Other copies from the tenth century onward that have it, often place it, or variations of it, in different places throughout the gospels. It only became more common in its current form and location in manuscripts dating from the Middle Ages. On the other hand, every other early manuscript omits it, notably including two of the earliest and most reliable manuscripts, called Papyrus 66 and Papyrus 75 that date from the second or early third century and were found in Egypt (closer to where John wrote). Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest complete copy of the New Testament (c. 325 CE), does not include it either. No pastor or theologian from the eastern side of the early church references it until the tenth century. In their commentaries and sermons, they go directly from John 7:52 to 8:12 (keep in mind that current chapter and verse breakdowns were added later). Finally, all the earliest translations of the Greek New Testament (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Old Latin, and Georgian) skip this story as well.
Oh my God did they really think they won the debate by talking over Mansur and not letting him speak 😮😮.. No wonder why people are leaving Christianity, these people are the reason for that..😢
He has no shame talking like a foolish man as he is surrounded by disciples to support him in all mysteries claim 61/ 6 almighty Dayton his last prophet from angel gibrail that isa as has already sending the message to his community at this time no more to debate if u r right almighty is a lier about him self as almighty has inform Moses as in the same way when almighty says about isa as it suitable for them but when he says about Muhammad pbuh that is untrue that why we call them Christian a religion created by Roman n pagan as Jesus the only true god is the father from adan to Jesus every knowns almighty as father
I came here after watching GodLogic's video to make sure it wasn't cut up. I'm leaving with the verification that it wasn't cut up. Mansur did the walk of shame on both angles.
Allah confirms the Torah multiple times in the Quran. The Torah makes absolutely no mention of Abraham travelling to Arabia and building 4 brick walls known as the Kaaba.
God in Christianity is like Disney character. God became a white blonde man and got also humans attributes. God were killed by his own creatures, to save his own creatures from himself?🤡🤡🤡
@@alusinebah2045 never says he can’t become lol, let me ask is god almighty ?? if he’s almighty he can do whatever he wants, who are you to say he can’t become man. He said that before jesus was born human form. You can be a man, you’re not almighty, god is almighty yet he can’t be a man
@@alusinebah2045 Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18 say that God cannot lie. In fact, it is impossible for God to lie! That's how strong the language is. This means that everything He says can be trusted because God guarantees the truth of everything He tells us because God represents things as they are.. BUT YOUREE ALLAH CAN LLIE BECAUSE HES A DEECIEVEEEREEEEEEEEEEEEEE.... hahahahah! stop the cap abdoool
In Quran the Satan is cursed and in Bible Jesus is cursed.... Galatians 3:13 Christ purchased our freedom and redeemed us from the curse of the Law and its condemnation by becoming a curse for us-for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS [crucified] ON A TREE (cross)
Christianity is all lies and it lives inside of Christians . Unfortunately Christians accept lies as truth and reject truth . My question is where did Mansur lie ? On the other hand Avery as Christians often do , lied that Jesus is mentioned by name in Isiah . He lied again saying Jesus prophesied the coming of the Holy Spirit ! The verse says " Spirit of Truth " not holy Spirit .
@@TheyHurry no. It's not mandatory. Have you played with venomous snakes yet since you are a true believer like it states in Gospel of Mark.? If not please do.
With all of these Islam hate comments it won't affect Islam's popularity, lol. I'm just sitting and enjoying reading insincere comments trying to " expose" our Muslim brother. still can't debunk Islam nor prove that the bible is preserved and that god is "Jesus"
I cant see what the fuss is about, American debater came with his pre-loaded questions and wasnt willing to entertain an actual discussion around theology perspectives or the historical process for determining if sources are deemed reliable or trustworthy. I guess the debate centred around the Quran confirming the concept of Injeel being revelation revealed unto Jesus, however the same Quran also states that it has been corrupted and edited over time, for any sincere acadmeic worth his weight there is no contradiction in the claim. However it is now necesary to examine the claim and to look at the Bible in a critical manner which has been done innumerable times to show ambiguity, annonymity and a lack of robustness in its preservation .Demnading yes or no responses from the interlocutor was only a ploy to avoid the real crux of the discussion and a childish attmept to appease the clear fanboy audience.
1st the Quran mentioned that "Jesus told the children of Israel that a messenger named Ahmad will come after me" so the Quran didn't say that IN THE BIBLE JESUS SAID TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL THAT A MESSENGER NAMED AHMAD WILL COME AFTER ME. 2- not every thing that Jesus said is mentioned in the Bible so it could be that Jesus said that but no one wrote it in the Bible. 3- since it has been proven that verses of the Bible were thrown out so possibly the verse about the messenger Ahmad might be thrown out as well. 4- I simply believe the Quran over the Bible because God is the author of it directly and the only one but on the other hand the Bible has many authors and among them are anonymous people.
I was able to argue with 10 knowledgeable people, but I would definitely lose to an ignorant person, because the ignorant person never understood the foundation of knowledge.
statement of imaam Shafi'i ...
1. The Quran says: (157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. (Al-A’raf 7:157)
2. The Quran said: “(6) And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic.” (Al-Saff 61:6
10:04 here This rapper cooked himself like this:
Here he says: "The Quran says we’ll find him by (NAME)" 👉 This verse 1 I mentioned above, didn’t mention by "NAME" !!
Then he immediately said: "the Quran said: Jesus said: a messenger named Ahmed come after me" 👉 This is not what the verse mention, the verse 2 from other chapter I mentioned above
There is NO verse mentioned in Quran like this (whom they find written "by NAME" among them in the Torah and the Gospel). but you will find in Quran: (( whom they find written among them in the Torah and the Gospel )). (7:157).
VERSE 1 (7:157): "Whom they find written …" 🧐👉 Does this mean his descriptions, actions or name ? The verse did not specifically mention his name.
VERSE 2 (61:6): when Jesus said: "bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad …" 🤔👉 Did the disciples write his name specifically after Jesus said or they mention his descriptions or actions ? Because the verse 1 (7:157) mentioned that it was written only, without describing what kind things was written ? Was it his name or his descriptions ?
If we assume that his name is written “Ahmed". Is the Bible now the same as the book of the disciples ? All roads lead to Rome
He just distorted the words of Jesus in his book before, and now he distorts the words of Jesus in sound and image in the Qur’an. He mixed 1+2 different verses to invented a complex trinity virgin text, it’s not there. Same like when he try explain the trinity from his bag rather than his Bible.
This is explanation if we assume they written his name in old scripts: [ Muhammad ( pbuh ) in the Bible By Ahmed Deedat - UA-cam ]
As an agnostic atheist,i have no stake in this debate, but mansur seemed out of his depth here
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@@OnlyTrueGod. which text are you referring to?
1. The Quran says: "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful." (7:157)
2. The Quran says: “And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic.” (61:6)
@@sebastianniccals4617 VERSE 1 (7:157): "Whom they find written …" - Does this mean his descriptions, actions or name ? The verse did not specifically mention his name.
VERSE 2 (61:6): when Jesus said: "bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad …" - Did the disciples write his name specifically after Jesus said or they mention his descriptions or actions ? Because the verse 1 (7:157) mentioned that it was written only, without describing what kind things was written ? Was it his name or his descriptions ?
@@OnlyTrueGod. that was the point the christian was making🙈 there is no claim of that anywhere before the koran, so for 700 years, there was no evidence of Jesus saying anything like that. it's only claimed in one religious book that came 700 years after jesus... and muslims take it as a fact, come on... you see how unlikely that is?🤣😂🤣
You posted Mansur getting walked over on your own channel?😭😭
Getting walked over by the loud crowd not intellectually.
Mansur answered every question
Cope @@marwanbenchadad
Thats Not A Question , Bro How Wasnot That A Question ? Tbh Both Sucks The black Man More
@@marwanbenchadad 😂
Keep the lies withu
@@Kpeecamera5630 oh shoot i saw muslim got irritated and got cooked
Am a Muslim but mansur is the godfather of time wasting !!!
Am a rap, but this rap is lying here 10:06 .There is no statement in the Qur’an that he is must be written by "NAME" in the Bible
😂what muslim are you
😂poor you,close minded people
@@izzatfahmi9707 why!
I see 4.9k comments and thought that Muslims commenting it , unfortunately God logic bots😂 are gathered here to make him he won debate under Muslim channels . children fathered by David Wood,shamuun and God logic Never have true intellectuals😂🤣,all arguments of God logic,shammuun and David wood is that assumptions on Quran and hadith and misinterpreting it,but Muslims have much against Bible texts,
Muslims argument:Christians worship man and have bad Bible text,
Christians argument:Muslim worship pure monotheistic God and bad Quran text.
In general who won? Of course Muslims
As someone who has been watching Speaker's Corner debates, I expected more from Mansur (he's one of the more knowledgeable Da'i)...but he received a one sided thrashing
All I saw were just bullies. Mansur didn't even have a chance to talk. They only let Mansur say what they wanted to hear and didn't let him speak what they didn't want to hear
Exactly 💯
Exactly 💯 a bunch of morons
@@rimbadiza870😂😂 Muslim tasted your own medicine !Don't you like it?😂
Mansoor not only got cooked in the debate he's is even getting cooked on his own comment section 😂😂
Ikr 😂
There also really biased salty Muslims in the comments😂
The Quran does not even say you wil find the prophet by name ahmed in the bible, he was lying in the first place and he deceived, anyone bring me the verse if you want too debate me.
1. The Almighty’s saying: “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written among them in the Torah and the Gospel” (Al-A’raf: 157)
2. The Almighty said: “And when Jesus, son of Mary, said, O Children of Israel, indeed I am the Messenger of God to you, confirming what was before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a Messenger who will come from above His name is Ahmed” (Al-Saff: 6)
3. The Almighty says: “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel. He enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them from what is right The evil” (Al-A’raf: 157)
4. The Almighty says: “And those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel. He enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them, peace be upon him And He will make lawful for them the good things and forbid for them the evil ones, and will remove from them their burden and the shackles that were upon them.” (Al-A’raf: 157)
These are the main verses that mention that the Prophet Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, is mentioned in the previous heavenly books
10:04 here he This clown cooked himself
Here he says: The Qur’an said that you will find it in His (name). These are all the verses in the Qur’an. The Qur’an did not say what they find with them (by name). The word of the name is in another verse with a different wording. Here he distorted the Qur’an in sound and image just as he distorted his book before.
I caught second hand embarrassment for the Muslim guy and i’m not even Muslim. 😅
Barnabas read that gospel
Why would you ,do the research and you will see the Christian made up his claim! The Quran does not say what he claims ,that's why the Muslim let him dig his own whole!
@@danielatsbha5410Gospel of barnabas is a forgery made in late mideival period.not even 700 years old😂😂
@@danielatsbha5410 That is a fake gospel
I see 4.9k comments and thought that Muslims commenting it , unfortunately God logic bots😂 are gathered here to make him he won debate under Muslim channels . children fathered by David Wood,shamuun and God logic Never have true intellectuals😂🤣,all arguments of God logic,shammuun and David wood is that assumptions on Quran and hadith and misinterpreting it,but Muslims have much against Bible texts,
Muslims argument:Christians worship man and have bad Bible text,
Christians argument:Muslim worship pure monotheistic God and bad Quran text.
In general who won? Of course Muslims
What an epic embarrassment of Jihadi?
😅😅😅
@@explorewithashoka self mockery by Mansur
Well even if Mansour lost topic it doesent make christianity true. Watch ahmed deedat cooking your pastors on this topic.
@@Met1900 Ahmed Deedat is better than shaitan in lying
@@expose8434 hes not lying. Its just youre blind and ignorant.
Mansur: Do you have a problem of letting people speak.
Godlogic: I have a problem with letting people lie
😂😂😂😂 Savage
How the heck u can be so so so so so so so so so so so so stupid that u believe a person(paul)100000 times more than u believe in jesus cus he contradicted everything what jesus said.
And who was people, a man who murdered thousands of Christians and when he was about to be punished by christins then he lied that he saw jesus and jesus told him all those, it's like saying hitler made himself apostle of jew after murdering 20 million jews😂😂😂😂😂.
Mansur got cooked like a mouse in oven. Shame on him if he comes anymore to the Speaker Corner
Can you elaborate further on your bullsh*t ?? I watched it twice now and I still cant even see the mouse, let alone an oven mate !!
@@rosdykalat2620 Mansur couldn't say yes or no to whether god can be wrong...
@@aspreedacore so how is that cooked like a mouse in an oven ?
@@aspreedacore you must be a lil kd to think that way! 😂 Mansur literally explained why he did not say "yes" or "no" to that stp question but he answered it his way, he didn't want to let this xtian fl to manipulate the discussion, because instead of giving Mansur time to speak!
Your boy was just to scared to let Mansur speak lol
Mansur got dog walked so bad😂😂😂
What kind of doggo
Weird way to spell doglogic
Hey embesil: did Jesus say only things in bible or did he say more things in his entire life charlatan?
Bruh ain’t that funny? Dog logic asking this question while fully aware that he or any Christian doesn’t possess any complete manuscript from the first century is bit of a irony😂😂😂
So Allah was stupid to tell people they will find Muhammad mentioned knowing they don't have the verse
Mansur got owned.
How? By dismantling the xtian lil kid who was too scared to let Mansur speak? 😂
Dog logic: what is the injeel
Mansur: the UNCORRUPPETED GOSPEL OF JESUS.
Mansur : is the bible the gospels of jesus( not mark matthew luke etc...)
Dog logic: we are not here to verify that the bible is the gospel of jesus 😂😂😂😂😂 self owned 😂😂😂😂
Oh No😢😢😢😢😢
In your dreams 😂
@@shaheenmiah1783so what is injeel according to your sources, what is the language, and what Jesus spoke like your false prophet said
Mansoor is absolutly blown out....OMG....he is just agitated when he is proved wrong
Hey embesil: did Jesus say only things in bible or did he say more things in his entire life charlatan?
Mansoar is just as terrible as Siraj 😂😂😂. Well done LOGIC!
These dawah channels gives such misleading titles!
Amen,n their dishonest got exposed all Muslims are shame to comments in their own channel because they've seen the debate.
Mansur got grilled
😂 hey doc, here he is, the psycho patient who is on the run
@@abdulmalikabubakar9431 you mean on the run like Mansur ran away
Mansur got cooked really bad
Exactly. I can't believe the Muslims in this comment section. It's like whatever mansur says they agree. No matter how false or stupid it is.
Because they are conditioned to enjoy lies. Because they are of their father the Devil.
You mean Dog logic got smash😂😂😂
Debunking Masur's very foolish arguments! 🤣🤣🤣
@@chengdubladesyeah ik mansur wanted to talk about reliability when that had nothing to do with the topic
Does any of these commenters here understand English? If they do they would not comment against logic he absolutely demolished the other guy 😂
doglogic can't answer any questions logically. He presist in interrupting and diversion.
God logic is a liar . He said Jesus is mentioned by name in Isiah . Clearly he lied .
Look bro you’re about to get biased answers from Muslims. They’re all the same😂😂
@@saburrashid5566 the word Jesus was not mentioned by name in the old testament because the letter J was not there yet , but the prophecy continues. It shows that Jesus was the Messiah that supposed to come in this world to die for your sins, but Allah take him of the cross , so who is the lair ?
@@love101a3the new testament says that Moses did write Jesus from Nazareth.
Show me where Moses wrote Nazareth
God logic owned him with simplicity and facts, all Mansoor did was talk cut him off
Using the crowd to limit his answers is shameful
@@ahmedaljalham7295So it was a difficult question that allah cannot be wrong?
@@aynzomeister u didn’t get the point of him not answering by yes or no
@@ahmedaljalham7295 Then what is the point? Please enlighten me
@@aynzomeister the point is that mansur doesn’t want him to limits or choose the way he answers, that’s why he said “don’t play games” and btw he answered the question by saying that god can’t be wrong
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@@psarper why he write it i dint get😂
@@psarper It is unwise for any man to persecute God's children.
for He said "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay."
@@ozkanarrslan Me, neither. He is drunk maybe.
@@legitlou2246 God will make the people who say "God's children" pay. For God has no children.
Mansur got absolutely shredded!!!!
Dog logic lost, badly😂
How?
He lost what ?? He didn’t refute mansur ,he didn’t let him answered the way he like and then he said “you refuse to answer” I can see clearly how is liying .
So not hearing the answer is not a way to win the debate @@3yearsago826
Have you ever read the red letter bible? Suppose "Jesus" lived for 30 years before taking up the gospel... how much did he talk in those 30 years? Surely... he would've uttered more than a few lines in one day than all the lines in the red letter bible...
@@3yearsago826show us where he lost!!! 😂
Mansur tried all the tricks in his outdated dawah script, but could not get Avery's foot off his neck.
Dude had to look for the lamest excuse to run.
He heaped several insults and mockeries on Avery, referring to Avery having verbal diarrhea and a memory problem. Only to run when Avery called out one of his tricks.
What tricks Avery aka P Diddy lied on his claim!
@chezpiece typical Abdool, can never engage except using ad hominem.
If I am wrong, state the so-called lie
You are wrong. Your avery running away from the core point of how do we know what is reliable and how do we verify it. Its not an insult when he clearly says what mansour didnt say. But to say to someone that he is a liar is an insult. The childish behavior with his fanclub is intellectual very low and without any manners. Learn about the bible and see how many changes were done. The Bible is the most unreliable Book you can find out there. Look at the Vatikan and the history of your centre of christianity. But who cares. He died for us. We are saved. We have no Responsibilities.
I see 4.9k comments and thought that Muslims commenting it , unfortunately God logic bots😂 are gathered here to make him he won debate under Muslim channels . children fathered by David Wood,shamuun and God logic Never have true intellectuals😂🤣,all arguments of God logic,shammuun and David wood is that assumptions on Quran and hadith and misinterpreting it,but Muslims have much against Bible texts,
Muslims argument:Christians worship man and have bad Bible text,
Christians argument:Muslim worship pure monotheistic God and bad Quran text.
In general who won? Of course Muslims
@@chezpiececlassic muslim. Attacking character instead of the argument. Come on maaaayn! You can do better than that!
As an ex Muslim Mansur looked like a fool. Didn’t answer a single question like the typical black stone kisser he is. Then when gets called a liar, which he is, he runs away.
Mansur getting called a lier used it as escape path to run away with straight face.
Literally you don’t even know what the black stone is my guy said ex Muslim how can you follow a religion of pagan beliefs and a man god who came down got defeated by his own creation and now we are all sinless. So in the world of Christian’s Hitler , Mussolini and king Leopold are all in heaven right now they believe in Christ as a god. Lmfaooo what a joke
@loopydoopi If you are an ex muslim tell me this, how many times did you attend the Jummah prayer on Saturday nights!
@@user-yj5yv5ju7v are you trying to say I’m a fake ex Muslim? You know there’s no such thing as a fake ex Muslim according to Islam? You claim everyone is born a Muslim, this means anyone who doesn’t believe in Islam is automatically a real ex Muslim. This is why you say revert instead of convert.
@@user-yj5yv5ju7v currently the population of Muslims is around 1.8 billion. So if we do some maths, 8 billion minus 1.8 billion = 6.2 billion ex Muslims according to Islam.
lol mansur ran away in the end, how is this a victory for you guys
Victory❓️⁉️🤔👀🧐 Muslims are only in the park to give dawah ‼️‼️🧐👀🧐 Maybe y'all just wanna score points , even though y'all would just lie about your own bibles ‼️‼️🧐👀🧐
Mansur kept asking if he was finished and your GoneLogic never wanted to hand the platform to Mansur knowing the direction Mansur was taking. He was about to debunk the authenticity of the Bible and GoneLogic knows he wouldn't be able to climb out of that hole lol.
@@yourpapa6641 come on bro, you don’t actually believe manure was winning there
Don’t be dense, you can’t have a fruitful conversation with someone who cuts you off when speaking, states that you refuse to answer questions when CLEARY asked “will you allow me to answer you” and then reply with no you can’t answer, call them a liar just because they called you out for interrupting them and have backup dancers cheering and clapping as if it’s a circus. Why wouldn’t someone “run away” from that, there’s nothing to be gained intellectually at that point and it’s something praiseworthy because a lot of people’s ego wouldn’t allow them to remove themselves from that scenario even though it’s the correct thing to do even if it is perceived by the disingenuous as “running away”
Hey embesil: did Jesus say only things in bible or did he say more things in his entire life charlatan?
❤❤❤❤❤ JESUS is the way the truth and the life...❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Mansur don’t let him to drug you down to his level. It doesn’t worth of even shaking hands with this dude like sheikh Uthman says his NAJAS dirty.
😂😂 the TRUTH hurts
your prophet married his adopted sons wife then said .." god told me adoption is bad". bro. , its a cult
God logic went on a killing spree that day 😂😂
Godlogic the one who being killed by his own game😂
Poor you, not have many knowledge to.understand😂
@@izzatfahmi9707 you could be a good Muslim if you just say "ok this time things didn't go well and our guys messed up. But islam still has better answers". But if you can't even accept that God logic won this time then you are hopelessly dishonest
Bum logic from America 🇺🇸 🤣 destroyed by mansur
@@hisokamorrow6111Stupid people are the most difficult people to argue with, unfortunately there are still people who are even dumber who believe that stupid people win the argument because of his knowledge..
Actually the opposite - mansor got cooked miserably. It took Mansur few seconds to realise God makes mistakes or not 😂
I mean, it’s just that mansur didn’t want to be controlled by him, the obvious answer is no god doesn’t make mistakes but he was literally gonna answer it if godlogic let him speak.
A prophet is someone SENT by God, God is not a prophet by definition, they are mutually exclusive.
If this man was GOD, he would never have claimed to be a prophet or called a prophet by those who saw him.
Matthew 21:11
And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
Luke 7:16
Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!”
John 4:19
The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.
Matthew 21:46
When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet.
John 6:14
Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.”
John 7:40
Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.”
John 9:17
So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.”
Luke 24:19
And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people,
Mark 6:15
But others were saying, “He is Elijah.” And others were saying, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.”
Mark 8:28
They told Him, saying, “John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.”
Luke 9:8
and by some that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the prophets of old had risen again.
OK, so Jesus doesnt refute anybody calling him a Prophet, he reaffirms it😇
Luke 13:33 . . . . I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be kwil. Led except in Jerusalem.
Mark 6:3-4 Then they scoffed . . . . They were deeply off. nded and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family”.
In the above two verses, Jesus called himself a prophet. There are also many verses indicating that during his lifetime on earth the people in Judea and Galilee regarded him as a prophet.
Regarding the verses in which Jesus says that he is equal to God (mainly in the Gospel of John) most scholars believe that Jesus never said that. It was what people started saying about him after his deaff and put on his lips in the Gospels written at least 4 decades later.,
Jesus Christ not God. It is clear from the verses below that he was indeed 100% man.
John 17.3...jesus says to the father...that they may know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus whom you sent.
John 20.17 Jesus says....I am ascending to my father and your father, my God and your God.
Acts 2:22
“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man…
Numbers 23:19 (NRSV)
God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal…
Hosea 11:9
For I am God, and not man- the Holy One among you..
Actually the opposite, in context he wanted to answer on Quran directly saying Muhammad is mentioned
there is a way to talk. He won't let him answer he just want yes and no when there is so more than yes or no
Mansur new name is RUNsur 😂
1. The Quran says: (157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. (Al-A’raf 7:157)
2. The Quran said: “(6) And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic.” (Al-Saff 61:6)
10:04 here This rapper cooked himself like this:
Here he says: The Quran says we’ll (find) him by (NAME). - This verse 1, I mentioned above, didn’t mention "by NAME" !!!
Then he immediately mention other verse: the Quran said: Jesus said: a messenger named Ahmed come after me. - This is from other chapter, verse 2 I mentioned above, not 1
The issue is there is NO verse mentioned in Quran like this (( whom they find written "by NAME" among them in the Torah and the Gospel )), but you will find in Quran: (( whom they find written among them in the Torah and the Gospel )). (7:157).
VERSE 1 (7:157): "Whom they find written …" - Does this mean his descriptions, actions or name ? The verse did not specifically mention his name.
VERSE 2 (61:6): when Jesus said: "bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad …" - Did the disciples write his name specifically after Jesus said or they mention his descriptions or actions ? Because the verse 1 (7:157) mentioned that it was written only, without describing what kind things was written ? Was it his name or his descriptions ?
If we assume that his name is written “Ahmed,” is the Bible now the same as the book of the disciples, with the same original languages. ??! All roads lead to Rome
He just distorted the words of Jesus in his book before, and now he distorts the words of Jesus in sound and image in the Qur’an. He mixed 1+2 different verses to invented a complex trinity virgin text, it’s not there. Same like when he try explain the trinity from his bag rather than his Bible.
This is explanation if we assume they written his name in old scripts: [ Muhammad ( pbuh ) in the Bible By Ahmed Deedat - UA-cam ]
Cooked, Grill and off Mansur Run🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️ 😂😂😂
Dog logic made what point? That Islam lives rent free in his head?
@@JamalBaruch No meat head, the point that Your dawah boy just proved allah lied that Jesus said a prophet named Ahmed will come after him. were can we find that😂😂😂😂
@calledtoserve729 that's point.....you cant. Because eyour Bible has been corrupted by human hands. Allah saying that in Quran isn't referring to YOUR BIBLE its referring to the original that has been Corrupted (Injeel). Which is what Mansurs point was , however God logic didn't want him to answer as he knew he'd be wrong.
@@Moody.Smiruai Wrong, Your Quran in Surah 7:157 says The Torah and Injeel is written and is with Them. but if you gonna argue then let's ask you. WHAT IS THE INJEEL? and can you quote a reference were we can find Muhammad otherwise your Quran is false. that's the correct point
@@JamalBaruchBuddy mansour insulted all the debate and then he gets called a liar he runs , what type of person is that?
Mansur got absolutely destroyed lol. Can't answer any question without waffling.
You dont know anything whats is Arostexana debate...
Not at all
Hosea 13:16 teaches to unalive pregnant women
Numbers 31:17-18 teaches to take young girls first yourself
Mathew 10:33-34 teaches that Jesus came NOT to bring peace
This is enough evidence that proves that the Torah and Bible are not what they were origin and they will bring guitars, drums, and etc to try and make their lies more deliverable 🤡
he keep double standard bla bla..😂😂
Mansour did poorly. let's just accept it.
But thats like asking them to accept that a six yesr old girl is not a fully fledged woman. Lol.
@@hudsonbartley2493even your grandparents won't accept that
@@azeemsoonaTheyre not abdools, like yours. Lol.
@@azeemsoonaBut they are not abdools, like yours. So no. Lol.
Hey embesil: did Jesus say only things in bible or did he say more things in his entire life charlatan?
Remember boys and girls when the Muslims are feeling pressured IT'S TIME FOR THE MUSLIM SHUFFLE ☪️☪️☪️🕺🕺🕺🎶🎶🎶
Avery's been shuffling all day at the park.
Hey embesil: did Jesus say only things in bible or did he say more things in his entire life charlatan?
The shuffle is better that the double cheek offering😂😂
So far Logic is 3-0 in speakers corner, I am not impressed UK Muslim 😂😂😂😂
3=1 logic???
lol what drugs are taking?
Bwahahahahaha........u must be just as delusional as dog logic 😂😂😂
Instead of you to seek the truth and free yourself from the lake of hell fire you are busy applauding God logic that isn't sincere.I pray Allah help you and eventually guide you all to islam.Amin
So true 😂😂😂
Are you kidding me mansour got cooked here 🤦🤦🤦
How when your boy is lying ?
@@chezpieceMansour can't answer simple questions is God always correct, he had to resort to well there are missing scriptures when Jesus himself said heaven and earth shall can away but my word shall never pass away
are u dum
@@chezpieceActually you guys are lying. He could not even answer a simple question, lol.
@@Leil2221 he did answer !
He is not sincere in debate
Muslim like to make many questions in a row when they don’t have a answer for a question, godlogic doesn’t let them do it and hold them to the point that’s why no Muslim ever can’t advance in a conversation with him 🤷🏽♂️ unless he’s honest! The answer to the question of godlogic is very simple we don’t have avídence of any documents saying that Jesus said that !
He is a dishonest man. And they champion this guy ? How embarrassing.
@noelnunez4918 did you not understand mansur logic. He stated. Christians don't even know what jesus said or did. There are godpales and books which are not even in the bible. Gospal of thomas.
The fact that you are unaware of what can be attributed to jesus. The fact that only god can say what jesus said or did. Yet since we don't need the evidence of what jesus said or did.
Example. Noas arc happend. Yet we don't have noa''s arc. By your logic. Since we don't have the tangible evidence that noa had a boat. That never happend.
This is what christian logic and doglogic don't understand. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence
@@noelnunez4918 Brother Mansur asked a correct question to expose the assumption in Godlogic's question, which is that the bible itself has to be reliably preserved to see what Jesus really said and didn't say.
Since the Bible is obviously corrupted, it can simply be said that Jesus mentioning Muhammad ﷺ was not preserved.
Since even what you Christians possess of the bible is so heavily corrupted and changed, and has interpolations like 1 John 5:7.
Go watch Shaki uthman and him 😂 he made him travel countries lmao
Romans: "We mixed paganism and monotheism and made Christianity."
Black stone kissing
All was mixed with culture
Dude u mistaken the Arab paganism mixed n Christian fake gospels mixed with Islam. Who started d going around n kaaba n stones?
Provide the evidence for your claim
Arabs: We mixed paganism with mosaic laws and made Islam.
Also, if you notice in the past he used to always say, because the verses also mention Injeel, "The name Ahmed is never mentioned anywhere in the bible which proves Islam is false" instead of saying "in the OT", but after Hamza's Den debate where Hamza brought John 21:25 which proves his ignorance about his religion and even the verse mocks his claim, so instead of learning from his mistake and becoming better, he turns to make a new lie to suit his needs of proving his religion... MAN this guy is undebatably going straight to hell even according to his Bible's standards 😅
Don't say he will go to hell under any circumstances.
Allah knows best.
@@vahithabanu3133 I understand your point but let's be real not only does he disbelieve in Islam after learning about it, but he also intentionally lies about it, and he is even making emotional arguments like "Is Jesus a Muslim?" as if that disapproves Islam, so honestly brother such people are choosing and running to hell and can be compared to Abu Lahab or say they are worse
What is your point about John 21:25? I want to know because if your Allah clai the name Ahmed was in what was in the hands of the Jews and Christians, then we should be able to find it in waraqa bin nufal injil the hadith says he wrote them in Arabic in volume 1 book 1 sahih bukhari.
@@omotoshotaiwoolanrew 1. Allah never said that but Allah SW said we will find descriptions of Prophet SAW in your books which is true as the channels (Proving Islam), (Dots Connected 2 Islam) and others showed, but of course if you accept it then you will no longer be a Christian.
2. Give the hadith code so I and the people can see if you are a liar or not, and I will wait.
@@omotoshotaiwoolanrew😂😂He is a liar, bring the Hadith, even so their scribes have translated their Bible so many times, that they have altered it took passages out added their own words, so what they have is not the words of Allah, it's words of men
Mansur looked like a child and should really stop debating
here we knew your level
why do you say like trush
cant you write good thing
no
low level child say
muslim have all beatynot like animas or cristiens who says tree equal one
christianity mkes you withot nor gol or mind
15:10 Mansur said “That really shows the intellectual maturity of the Christian crowd” bruuuuhhh! Every Muslim there don’t answer questions and most of them want to fight smh
Yeah what’s the intellectual maturity of those who want to stab and physically threaten their opponents?
@@hjc1402 that’s why Islam fails.
@@user-dq4dt5dz9cIslam has a net increase globally and Christianity a net decrease, why do you think that is?
@@BinYakub80 because Jesus told us wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it, but narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life and there are few that find it.
@@BinYakub80because of birth rates not conversion rates.
Because it's not in the Quran!!
Muslim guy didn't answer anything just ran away
its a shame christians cant be sincere. so sad
@@MThre3 no, accept it. Mansur didn't answer the first question and tried to avoid it by counter questions. Tell me who is not sincere here?
@@timmymannies6888 GL
@@timmymannies6888 Didn't answer or your boy never wanted to hear it? He kept asking till the end "Are you finished?". GoneLogic seems to have infected you lots too lol.
@@yourpapa6641 that was a different question that you're referring too. Mansur didn't even address the first question in his response, because its quite clear he didn't know the answer. Your Dawah guys don't want to learn by questioning but outsmart others, Hamza, Mansur, and Siraj are all dishonest cowards who never accept that they are wrong.
Its impossible to have an intelligent or honest conversation with any abdool
“Abdools” huh? Do you even know what it means or you’re just confused Mr. Chow Chow?
It's impossible to have an intelligent or honest conversation either someone who can't even spell one of the most popular Muslim names properly, the irony is so thick I could iron my clothes with it!! 😂
Ok Abdool@@purpleprinc3
Facts!
Manure running from GodLogic 🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️
😂
God does not like to be worshiped blindly and without proof and Paul told you so.
The words of Jesus are the basis of the faith of every Christian who truly calls himself a true follower of Jesus.
Jesus said to his true followers: “Search the scriptures, for you believe that in them you have eternal life, and they are the ones that testify of me. » (John 5:39).
Jesus said: (John 14:23) “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. »
Paul said, “So FAITH comes by HEARING, and HEARING comes from “THE WORD OF CHRIST.” » (Romans 10:17).
Jesus said when the high priest asked him to speak about his doctrine and teachings, and he answered him in all simplicity with, “I have spoken openly to the world; I have always taught in the synagogue and in the temple, where all the Jews assemble, and I have said nothing in secret. » (John, 18:20).
Did Jesus say or teach anything in secret? No.
SO,
Where did Jesus teach openly or secretly in the synagogue and in the temple, where all the Jews assembled, that he had two natures!!!?
SO,
So if you meet Jesus and he will tell you:
Where did I teach about the Trinity?
Where did I teach about original sin?
Where did I teach the possession of two natures?
Where did I teach that I am god?
Where have I taught my worship?
Where I taught the incarnation of god?
Where did I teach that the holy spirit is god?
Where have I taught that I am the word?
Where I taught that I am the creator of all things?
Where I taught that I was god and then became man?
What are you going to answer him!!!? Prepare your answers which don't even exist in the Bible.
And after your failure to respond, he will say to your face: “I never knew you, depart from me, you who work iniquity. » (Matthew 7:23).
Jesus will tell you: get out, I don't want to see your face anymore... you left my teachings and you followed those of the churches, the servants of Satan!
The greatest iniquity is to say that Jesus is god and the greatest blasphemy is to lie by saying that Jesus taught us the trinity, original sin, his divinity, his worship, his two natures, his incarnation, the divinity of saint spirit ...
Hey embesil: did Jesus say only things in bible or did he say more things in his entire life charlatan?
Mansur is the biggest joke😂😂😂
cause animal crowd there
what is tree equal one
Mansur tried to fry takiya fried xhicken but got slow cooked instead😂😂😂😂. Comoooon man
Ah yes, Mansor, the one who said a few years back that there is only one ''perfectly preserved, not one dot, letter, vowel, word that has been changed''
Guess who were the ones who exposed that lie?
What about “The Woman Caught in Adultery”?
Looking back at John 7:53-8:11, it is clear this story was not in John’s original gospel. Your Bible likely has brackets around this story with a note that says something like “The earliest manuscripts do not include 7:53-8:11.” This is because the only manuscript before the ninth century to include this story was one from the fifth century found in western Europe (further from where John wrote) and also deviates from earlier manuscripts in other key areas. Other copies from the tenth century onward that have it, often place it, or variations of it, in different places throughout the gospels. It only became more common in its current form and location in manuscripts dating from the Middle Ages.
On the other hand, every other early manuscript omits it, notably including two of the earliest and most reliable manuscripts, called Papyrus 66 and Papyrus 75 that date from the second or early third century and were found in Egypt (closer to where John wrote). Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest complete copy of the New Testament (c. 325 CE), does not include it either. No pastor or theologian from the eastern side of the early church references it until the tenth century. In their commentaries and sermons, they go directly from John 7:52 to 8:12 (keep in mind that current chapter and verse breakdowns were added later). Finally, all the earliest translations of the Greek New Testament (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Old Latin, and Georgian) skip this story as well.
So did Jesus' earliest followers consider him to be God?
EHRMAN: Well, what I argue in the book is that during his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God and that none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God. The way it works is that you do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, our last Gospel. Jesus says things like: Before Abraham was, I am, and I and the father are one, and if you've seen me, you've see the father.
These are all statements that you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier Gospels, and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things about him. I think it's completely implausible that Matthew, Mark and Luke would not mention that Jesus called himself God if that's what he was declaring about himself. That would be a rather important point to make.
So this is not an unusual view among scholars. It's simply the view that the Gospel of John is providing a theological understand of Jesus that is not what was historically accurate.
GROSS: Jesus was referred to as the king of the Jews. Did he call himself that, and what did that mean it is time? Do we know? Can we have any idea what that meant in its time?
EHRMAN: Yeah, we do know, and actually to be a king of the Jews simply meant literally, being the king over Israel. It is a very difficult question to get to, what Jesus taught about himself because of the nature of our gospels, but one thing is relatively certain, that that the reason the Romans crucified Jesus was precisely because he was calling himself the king of Israel.
Now, Jesus obviously was not the king. So what might he have meant by it? Well, what scholars have long thought is that Jesus was talking about not being put on the throne by means of some kind of political show of power, but that Jesus thought the world as he knew it was coming to an end and God was going to bring in a kingdom, a new kingdom in which there would be no more injustice or oppression or poverty or suffering of any kind.
And in this kingdom, Jesus appears to have thought that he himself would be the future king. And so Jesus meant this not in the regular political sense but in a kind of apocalyptic sense, that at the end of the age, this is what was going to happen: he was going to be installed as king.
GROSS: So Jesus saw himself as the messiah. What else did that mean in its time?
EHRMAN: Well, a lot of Christians today have a wrong idea about what the messiah was supposed to be. The word messiah is a Hebrew word that literally means the anointed one. This was used in reference to the kings of Israel. The ancient kings of Israel, when they became king during the coronation ceremony, would have oil poured on their head as a sign of divine favor.
And so the king of Israel was called God's anointed one, the messiah. There came a point at which there was no longer a king ruling Israel, and some Jewish thinkers began to maintain that there would be a future king of Israel, a future anointed one, and they called that one the messiah. And so the messiah for most Jews simply referred to the future king of Israel.
And so when Jesus told his disciples that he himself was the messiah, he was saying that in the future, when God establishes the kingdom once more, I myself will be the king of that kingdom. And so it's not that the messiah was supposed to be God. The messiah was not supposed to be God. The messiah was a human being who would be the future king, and that's probably what Jesus taught his disciples that he was😮😮
A prophet is someone SENT by God, God is not a prophet by definition, they are mutually exclusive.
If this man was GOD, he would never have claimed to be a prophet or called a prophet by those who saw him.
Matthew 21:11
And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
Luke 7:16
Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!”
John 4:19
The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.
Matthew 21:46
When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet.
John 6:14
Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.”
John 7:40
Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.”
John 9:17
So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.”
Luke 24:19
And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people,
Mark 6:15
But others were saying, “He is Elijah.” And others were saying, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.”
Mark 8:28
They told Him, saying, “John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.”
Luke 9:8
and by some that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the prophets of old had risen again.
OK, so Jesus doesnt refute anybody calling him a Prophet, he reaffirms it😇
Luke 13:33 . . . . I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be kwil. Led except in Jerusalem.
Mark 6:3-4 Then they scoffed . . . . They were deeply off. nded and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family”.
In the above two verses, Jesus called himself a prophet. There are also many verses indicating that during his lifetime on earth the people in Judea and Galilee regarded him as a prophet.
Regarding the verses in which Jesus says that he is equal to God (mainly in the Gospel of John) most scholars believe that Jesus never said that. It was what people started saying about him after his deaff and put on his lips in the Gospels written at least 4 decades later.,
Jesus Christ not God. It is clear from the verses below that he was indeed 100% man.
John 17.3...jesus says to the father...that they may know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus whom you sent.
John 20.17 Jesus says....I am ascending to my father and your father, my God and your God.
Acts 2:22
“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man…
Numbers 23:19 (NRSV)
God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal…
Hosea 11:9
For I am God, and not man- the Holy One among you..
For me, the biggest evidence is that Paul followers ALWAYS QUOTE PAUL, OR THE LAST GOSPEL JOHN, as their evidences
And their own scholars say John is the LEAST AUTHENTIC, written by multiple authors, hundreds of miles and years away from Jesus.
And this is the book that elevates Jesus, at least tries.
They never ever quote Mark or luke, the earlier Gospels, where Jesus is a prophet and messiah, sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, by his own admission.
This is the biggest red flag that Paul followers are misguided.
ALL THEIR favourite quotes come from the froindulent Gospel of John.
Even Mark isn't safe. 16.8 is where Mark ends,as the earliest manuscripts end there..
But the 'long ending' of Mark, 16.9 to 20, has the resurrection, Jesus sitting on right side of God etc
Their own academia acknowledge this, that 9 to 20 are later interpolation and its common knowledge except for the blind followers who have not studied what they are basing their salvation on 🤦
Mansoor talks more than he listens. Says a lot about his knowledge 😂😂😂
He's heard all the lame arguments
Exactly mansoor muffled none stop. And his followers act like he had said some good arguments.
Please grace us with your knowledge by calling in and challenging Mansoor. I'm sure you won't
@@98593le I’m not a debater. I leave it for God logic to get him busted. He couldn’t even answer no questions. He said so much and nothing at the same time.
@@marc_savage1523 come on now, we all know you are the master debater.
Is there really any muslims who thinks mansur walked away with his honor intact? He heard the question and came up with an escape plan. Godlogic humiliated him and I haven't seen any other debate with godlogic apart from the one with uthman.
Really muslims is it really that bad to be honest and say that godlogic took your boy mansur without any vaseline?
Maybe if he didn't have his cheerleaders you'd have a point. There's just no reason to debate someone who wants to force you into multiple choice questions and then the moment you say anything he cuts you off and his audience drone out.
@@biggestboss7911 HAHAHA, you know the christians have started to do that in the park because of the muslims. Watch any video with muslims they gang up and try to intimidate people use violence and scare tactics. They just use your own tactics against you and when the bully gets bullied they cry about it its always the same. Every muslim who debates an educated christian will always lose your religion is a joke with all respect.
There is a reason why the known scholars dont want to debate christians on stage like zakir naik dodging christian prince. The sheik who debated Godlogic in speakers corner who didnt want to debate anymore because he fooled him. Or mansur who always gets beaten up. The only time you guys "win" is when you find people who are not even christian just white people who you fool and play with to seem stupid so you can post videos and laugh like uthman does all the time. He goes up to random white people.
@@biggestboss7911
It was an easy question about what is ultimate/God. No need for Mansur to even hesitate for a second and waste everyones time and patience and then actually play the VICTIM and run away because you were afraid to be exposed further!!
Mansur lost the debate and was outwitted by the simplest of questions about faith and was also a very poor loser. He lost just man up and admit it!!
It was an easy question about what is ultimate/God. No need for Mansur to even hesitate for second and waste everyones time and patience and then actually play the VICTIM and run away because you were afraid to be exposed further!!
Mansur lost the debate and was outwitted by the simplest of questions about faith and was also a very poor loser. He lost just man up and admit it!!
@georgedoyle2487 if it's an easy question, let him answer it, lol. I feel like if you have the truth, you wouldn't be scared of letting the other person talk because no matter what they say, it wouldn't be able to hold up to scrutiny.
If you don't have the patience for debate, then don't debate. Let them answer and if the answer was avoiding the question then call them out on it and win that way, doglogic didn't want to let him speak nor because it was a waste of time but because he was afraid since if Mansur answered and it was fluff it would've still resulting in doglogic winning the debate.
Just common sense.
God logic literally demolished him 😂
😂himself actually
Godlogic demolished himself😂
How can y’all look up to Mansur he talks and talks and never answers the questions
If fyou let the guy talk maybe you get an answer and why should the anwser be on there term you can answer the question how you like
@@MuslimResponder Brother, he talks and talks and never answers the question people are tired of that nonsense.
He got angry because the other guy avoided his question and wasn’t listening, laughing and looking around so he decided to do the same. Plus the question in the beginning is invalid.
These are no yes or no questions. You need to explain a little bit.
"If the world's problems were brought to the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ he would solve them all." - George Bernard Shaw
Name one problem he solved? I can name a few he created. You go first
As Muhammed was poisoned and killed by a Jewish woman
@@user-go2rn2bg4cHe by Islam saved women and gave rights in the jahilliya Arabia
@@user-go2rn2bg4cwhat problems did he create?
How the hell did your mo solved marital dispute. Surah 4 vs34😂😂
Mansur was humiliated
God logic destroyed him
Nope , the Doglogic knew that he would be humiliated and never allowed Mansur to answer, Doglogic fanboys and fangirls like to thump up rhetoric so that the Muslim is not allowed to respond ,.. Yiu see , the trick yes and No means that the trick question has multiple answers and any answer will be met with another trickster answer ..
Without lies Islam Dies
without christianity there will be no insanity
another pagan hating on pure monotheism
I see 4.9k comments and thought that Muslims commenting it , unfortunately God logic bots😂 are gathered here to make him he won debate under Muslim channels . children fathered by David Wood,shamuun and God logic Never have true intellectuals😂🤣,all arguments of God logic,shammuun and David wood is that assumptions on Quran and hadith and misinterpreting it,but Muslims have much against Bible texts,
Muslims argument:Christians worship man and have bad Bible text,
Christians argument:Muslim worship pure monotheistic God and bad Quran text.
In general who won? Of course Muslims
Possessed by the unholy spirit 😂😂
@@user-hj3rz6xt5m See difference between Muslims commentary and Christians, Christians gathered under god logic channel to mock about Islam and laugh Even they included a concept never there in a debate,but Muslim not mock Christians believe because Muslims believe that only Islam is true and Christians need salvation from worshipping man as God. Christians mocked their religion by saying that Man is God and killed by Jews and Romans 😂🤣
Everyone is a gangster until mansur walks in
Mansur cannot save you from hell only jesus can.
@@nedunwosu90 Jesus is one of the greatest servants of the Most High, but nevertheless he is just a slave before his Creator.
Jesus will not save you from the Fire either, only Allah can do that.
@@dawoodal-qayrawani6921 You know nothing of Jesus, your Qur'an is a deception, Esa in the Qur'an is not Jesus. Muhammed never met Jesus, Muhammed doesn't even know what Christians believe. Your book is full of misinformation and misunderstanding. There is not a single historical event in the Qur'an that can be cross referenced with archeological evidence. There's also too much doubt amongst the companions of Muhammed about what is even supposed to be in the Qur'an and even doubt about whether he was receiving revelation at all or simply copying from other sources and let's not forget that even your own prophet claims to have received revelation from satan, he originally had intended to include parts of pagan beliefs about his moon gods daughters but his companions rejected it and so he pretended it was revelation from satan... Like come on...
@@Al3XB85ya. Isa is the grandson of Imran and the nephew of Harun (which also makes him the nephew of Musa). And the son of Maryam (the one who is the daughter of Amram as well as the sister of Aaron & Moses). That’s not Jesus.
@@GM14218 appreciate the reply but for some reason UA-cam deleted that comment...
classic example of the dawah team just farming content uploading anything when their was not clips or destryoing going on in this whole 21 minutes, they just proceeded to commit running the goalpost fallacy thousands of times
You complaining for farming content, even though there is soco film and gl humiliated himse😢
You complain for content farming even though there is soco films and even though gl humiliated himself.
nologic didn't let him speak at all kept cutting him all the time that what he always does not letting people respond because if Mansur responds nologic gonna be cooked
You just proved how delusional Avery fans are so that is why popular Muslim preachers don't care about debating him because you all imagine every cowardly act he does and lies as if it is "cooking" so I ask you a question no Christian has accepts to answer me in it, according to your religion if a Christian preacher lies about other religions to win debates and convert people to Christianity does that mean he will still enter Christian heaven without at least punishment?
Just using cheap tricks to act like they have won the argument. In fact, the christian guy couldnt handle mansur talk and complete the counter.
Mansur got COOKED
Runs away as usual when the Dawah script goes wrong
Why wouldnt he allow Mansur to answer the way he wanted??? Let him answer and move on.
HAHAHAHAHA, KAU PUNYA PALING SI GODLOGIC NI,INDAMAU DENGAR APA MANSUR CAKAP,SEBAB APA,SEBAB DIA CLOSE MINDED😂
On what planet do you need more than a yes or no answer for whether God can be wrong?... Surely you can see only satan would need to complicate such a simple question
And he ended up pretty much just saying no 🤦♂️. That’s whole thing was just childish.
Because it's a politically motivated question. Yes or no questions are silly.
@@purpleprinc3 is there ever a time where the answer to "can god be wrong" is not No?
@@purpleprinc3lol not in this instance. Do you believe God could ever be wrong? That is a yes or no question that should only be answered no. God could never be wrong because he’s God! Period!
@@artecvibes5549 God can never be wrong true, but the manner in which he asking is politically motivated, that is why Mansur waited to answer.
Poor muslim afraid to answer simple questions
Why would you answer to clowns!
@@chezpiece the gospel of barnabas mentions Muhammad by name
@@danielatsbha5410You Muslims try hard to put his name in the bible, but you fail it everytime. You say gospel is corrupted, so why do you care if his name is in the barnabas gospel or not?
@@chezpieceWhen you know a Muslim cannot answer you call him Clown. Only muslims are clown, lol.
@@chezpiece if bible is corrupted then quran too muhmad order to ask to.the people of the book
Matthew 26:39 Jesus did prostration to almighty god☝🏼💯
Mansur biting the curb in 4k with like 50 cameras around lol
Hey embesil: did Jesus say only things in bible or did he say more things in his entire life charlatan?
How….?
do u understand english?
You don't understand english.
"Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it."
Said someone who worship black stone 🤦♂️
@@blackrosesinmygarden369 😂😂 the Jokes write themselves man
@@blackrosesinmygarden369 U ARE LYING AGAIN
As Muslims kiss black stone and worship Kaaba is not paganism
Islam did not get rid off the pagan stone worship, it just embraced it😂😂😂lol
Godlogic out here with the barbecue, cooking the dawahgandists. These guys don't look too good when they're not trying to debate tourists or being 7 vs 1 on a live stream they control.
Is this a joke? I watched it and the dialogue was clear, rational and respectful. It's sad to see what the Qurans rhetoric does to people...
While they think avery guy is winning, few thousand people are reverting to Islam right in this second. so looking at stats we all know who's truly winning.
6 million muslims leave islam every year
@@NA-qu3wc delulu LOL 😂
Nope!! The fact is that masses of Muslims are secretly apostatising and have left Islam already in their hearts but just follow the rituals and practices to survive in Islamic states under religious apartheid in order to not bring down the wrath of Arabisation and sharia law upon themselves.
Moreover, according to Dr Duane Alexander Miller, who has studied religious conversion from Islam to Christianity and the shari'a's treatment of apostates and also has published research on Christian missionaries in the Ottoman Empire….
“Around the world people are leaving Islam for Christianity in unprecedented numbers.” [Dr Duane Alexander Miller].
Furthermore, it actually speaks volumes that In an interview at Al Jazeera in 2000, Sheikh Ahmad al Katani confirmed this and stated that in Africa…
“Because of the Christian missionaries every hour Islam loses 667 Muslims [who] convert to Christianity, every day 16,000, [and] every year six million" [Abdallah 2000]
Also look up appeal to consensus fallacy. It wouldn’t matter one jot even if Islam was the largest and fastest growing religion in the world - right?
This is a basic logical fallacy known as the APPEAL TO CONSENSUS FALLACY. Colloquially known as the BAND WAGON FALLACY. Sorry but your argument totally fails and is logically fallacious!!
I rest my case!!
@@NA-qu3wchajahahaha whatever makes you happy.
Naa y'all just giving birth. That's how your numbers are going up. It's not because people are reverting
God logic is not allowing him to answer the way he wants to answer. Where are you guys getting that he destroyed Monsur?
Can God be wrong about anything?
@@TR13400Of course not. Mansur is just not in the mood for boring games that day…
You see the thing is, we don’t believe that God came down to earth as one of his own creations and commited suicide. Your Bible even contradicts that. Jesus was praying to God in fact putting his head on the ground prostrating like Muslims do and that’s from your Bible.
So when he started avoiding questions Mansur did the same thing.
Invalid questions… Whether Jesus said it in the Bible or not it won’t make a difference that’s the point, cause it’s corrupted, unreliable…
They are blind followers. They don't even know what the argument being presented.
For instance, when he asks Mansur does he believe those are authentic, Mansur says no, but Avery believes them to be. But Avery and other Christians do not see the issue here. It's Avery making the argument from his scripture. So whether Mansur sees it as authentic or not doesn't matter, it is Avery who needs to reconcile this and fails to do so.
Avery also runs from the argument of authentication of his scripture as this is the basis of his argument. The fact these Christians don't seem to grasp this shows they are just writing nonsense rather than deal with the points brought up.
@sycorez No you are missing the argument.
The point is you cannot prove that Jesus was Muslim, or CHRISTIAN, OR ANYTHING JESUS believed if you don't have historical evidence to prove it.
@sycorez The only thing you have is the Quran which is 600 years late.
Talking to Dog Logic is like playing chess with a pigeon, the pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, craps on the board, then struts around like he won.
That is literally what happend lmao
Godlogic asked a simple question give me any early source where jesus mentions ahmed.
And radahn in many words said no early source mentioned Muhammad .As he couldn't provide any its really easy yall dont need to cope 🤣🤣🤲🏾
What about talking to monkey Muhammed
Talking to a Muslim is like talk to deaf person.
Amazing analogy 😂👏🏽
The 'Islamic shuffle' 😂
Godlogic built an absolute strawman
Mansur got destroyed
вас лжецами не возможно разговаривать
@@aslan_grozny3667Why did not he answer the Question? You Muslims are liars not Godlogic. Lol
It's clear the guy is not allowing to let Mansur answer. Show the insincerity. And Mansur was right. Immature behaviour by the guy and his backup dancers
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:Can God be wrong ?
Mansur :🦗🦗🦗
Manure doesn’t even know if God can be wrong😂😂
God cannot be wrong. What are you on? 💀
god cant be wrong now whats the argument
@@user-df4hh3jv8p
allah was wrong what we billions of us christian believe. Totally clueless. So of course its not allah its muhammed who had no idea.
@@user-df4hh3jv8p
Mansur didn't know that because he was asked that and he couldn't answer.
Lets ask these cult Christians in same method.
Did Jesus (all supreme god and all knowing) knew about the hour - yes or no?
Really Mansoor cant answer a simple question and tries to belittle the opponent. And mansoor was called a lier he runs away....what a coward....
Bro actually thought Paul was present when Jesus was alive…and the injeel is the bible we have nowadays
What is the point of continuing?
@@mdrudyfirdaus4530 he said as Christians we believe jesus is alive and he spoke to Paul . Is that so big to understand?
@@solomonthomas7444even in their own Quran Jesus is alive 😂😂😂😂 and Muhammad is dead. Believe me, they are bunch of liars
@@solomonthomas7444Yeah because they were debating whether or not Jesus AS told his disciples about Muhammad SAW. So if the Bible has accounts of Paul's dreams of supposedly seeing Jesus AS, how is that proof of anything 😅
@@user25895Where did Jesus name Muhammad? Do u have the "true injeel" or are you going to quote the "corrupted bible" to prove your point? Can u show us the verse please?
Goglogic completely destroyed mansur. Shame to muslims
School boy mentality ,screaming and cheering is not a win !
The muslim guy lost so much he lied in the youtube titles to try and manipulate people before they watch 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It call click bait..they always get busted lied lied and still lying 😁😅🤣
Check the title again and don't be a fish
That’s how they get followers is by lieing
Lol the immortal god died
@@muddyblunts7187say one of his lies please if you can?
Mansur cooked😂 These are the best Muslims have😂
look at the video again never did he get a chance to say anything then you have a mob of christian just cheering on in the background
Christians doing what they do best! Talk rubbish, ask a question and then keep interupting when the other person is trying to answer and then get happy that you "won" the debate
@@MuslimResponder“When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”
- Deuteronomy 18:22
Now what Muhammad said about him being mentioned in the injeel is falsed
No where to be found
That makes him false prophet
Now this is torah
By dismantling your boy which made him unable to let Mansur speak?! Lol, 😂 it's ironic when he failed to answer Mansur directly and then he wanted him to answer yes or no so he could talk more! 🤣
@@israfilangel8062 you wont even give valid information
Your own book says Muhammad is mentioned as ahmed
🤣🤣
And we cant find this ahmed anywhere
That means Muhammad is a liar as simple as that
Using the crowd to stop mansur answering questions comfortably is shameful, mansur answered every single questions, ignorance controlled you
Logic strategy is not let the other person answer and have his Christian friends in the back cheer in a strange attempt to make it seem like he won the discussion.
literally. its a shame but they will always stay disingenuous for as long as they believe in the illogical belief of a trinity
Bruh Mansur gt smoked
Did Mansur answer any Question, he just blamed Christians for coreupting the scriptures
Look uthman farooq he just left without reason😂
What about “The Woman Caught in Adultery”?
Looking back at John 7:53-8:11, it is clear this story was not in John’s original gospel. Your Bible likely has brackets around this story with a note that says something like “The earliest manuscripts do not include 7:53-8:11.” This is because the only manuscript before the ninth century to include this story was one from the fifth century found in western Europe (further from where John wrote) and also deviates from earlier manuscripts in other key areas. Other copies from the tenth century onward that have it, often place it, or variations of it, in different places throughout the gospels. It only became more common in its current form and location in manuscripts dating from the Middle Ages.
On the other hand, every other early manuscript omits it, notably including two of the earliest and most reliable manuscripts, called Papyrus 66 and Papyrus 75 that date from the second or early third century and were found in Egypt (closer to where John wrote). Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest complete copy of the New Testament (c. 325 CE), does not include it either. No pastor or theologian from the eastern side of the early church references it until the tenth century. In their commentaries and sermons, they go directly from John 7:52 to 8:12 (keep in mind that current chapter and verse breakdowns were added later). Finally, all the earliest translations of the Greek New Testament (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Old Latin, and Georgian) skip this story as well.
Mansoor is a joke, he's a comedy he must go study more because his saying alot but says nothing lol hahaha. He's a joke lol 😂😂😂
Oh my God did they really think they won the debate by talking over Mansur and not letting him speak 😮😮..
No wonder why people are leaving Christianity, these people are the reason for that..😢
Me as an ex-Muslim: that's why people leave Islam, we're tired of the lies!
You left islam?@@metot1
@@JoneStirling yup!
It doesnt take much to pull apart Islam. A child can see through this cultish thinking.
To all Trinitarians. Get a calculator. Then type in 1+1+1. Then enter
ok get a calculator. 1x1x1=? 1/1/1=?
Aisha was 6 years old you sicko
Can someone who is all powerful defy the laws of nature?
@@chengdubladesYes, the Deity mentioned in 1John5:7
1 what? + 1 what? + 1 what?
Persons?
Yes thats what weve been trying to tell you!
Sheik Godlogic has destroyed all the Muslim Apologists and now they are scared of him.
Waiting for prophet Mohammed to come and debate him.
Who?
He has no shame talking like a foolish man as he is surrounded by disciples to support him in all mysteries claim 61/ 6 almighty Dayton his last prophet from angel gibrail that isa as has already sending the message to his community at this time no more to debate if u r right almighty is a lier about him self as almighty has inform Moses as in the same way when almighty says about isa as it suitable for them but when he says about Muhammad pbuh that is untrue that why we call them Christian a religion created by Roman n pagan as Jesus the only true god is the father from adan to Jesus every knowns almighty as father
I came here after watching GodLogic's video to make sure it wasn't cut up. I'm leaving with the verification that it wasn't cut up. Mansur did the walk of shame on both angles.
Allah confirms the Torah multiple times in the Quran.
The Torah makes absolutely no mention of Abraham travelling to Arabia and building 4 brick walls known as the Kaaba.
😂😂😂😂😂😂mansoor running like Aisha running running
Bye 👋 Mansur 😂
Didn't paul tell you to give us your cheeks, what are you waiting for
Didn't paul tell you to give us your cheeks
Give us your cheeks boy, both of em
Cheeks
God in Christianity is like Disney character. God became a white blonde man and got also humans attributes. God were killed by his own creatures, to save his own creatures from himself?🤡🤡🤡
jesus wasn't white, and can god not become a man, do you limit him?
@@lukasssj
What make you think that God can become a man.
After Himself says I'm not a man.
@@alusinebah2045 never says he can’t become lol, let me ask is god almighty ?? if he’s almighty he can do whatever he wants, who are you to say he can’t become man. He said that before jesus was born human form. You can be a man, you’re not almighty, god is almighty yet he can’t be a man
@@lukasssj
Can God lie
@@alusinebah2045 Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18 say that God cannot lie. In fact, it is impossible for God to lie! That's how strong the language is. This means that everything He says can be trusted because God guarantees the truth of everything He tells us because God represents things as they are.. BUT YOUREE ALLAH CAN LLIE BECAUSE HES A DEECIEVEEEREEEEEEEEEEEEEE.... hahahahah! stop the cap abdoool
In Quran the Satan is cursed and in Bible Jesus is cursed.... Galatians 3:13 Christ purchased our freedom and redeemed us from the curse of the Law and its condemnation by becoming a curse for us-for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS [crucified] ON A TREE (cross)
The "justin martyr time traveller" guy
He mis said his name and in the same video wrote his mistake of the name. Illiterate Muslims
He corrected himself in the comment section he meant someone else your Muslims CC don’t point that out.
@@CorneliusCorndogJr yea and the other guy he corrected himself on made doglogic look even worse 😂😂😂😂
@@yahyayasoonot true, please read a reliable source on John of Damascus, don’t believe biased Muslims.
@@theelite5580 im cryin john of damascus had no clue what he was speaking about 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Without lies Islam dies.
Without paganism your Christianity dies.
@@Haqqseeker40 Have you kissed the black stone yet?
Christianity is all lies and it lives inside of Christians . Unfortunately Christians accept lies as truth and reject truth . My question is where did Mansur lie ? On the other hand Avery as Christians often do , lied that Jesus is mentioned by name in Isiah . He lied again saying Jesus prophesied the coming of the Holy Spirit ! The verse says " Spirit of Truth " not holy Spirit .
@@TheyHurry no. It's not mandatory. Have you played with venomous snakes yet since you are a true believer like it states in Gospel of Mark.? If not please do.
@@TheyHurryI've kissed the black stone. What's your point?
If only black people loved each other the way they love white Jesus, they would be in such a better place.
With all of these Islam hate comments it won't affect Islam's popularity, lol. I'm just sitting and enjoying reading insincere comments trying to " expose" our Muslim brother. still can't debunk Islam nor prove that the bible is preserved and that god is "Jesus"
I cant see what the fuss is about, American debater came with his pre-loaded questions and wasnt willing to entertain an actual discussion around theology perspectives or the historical process for determining if sources are deemed reliable or trustworthy. I guess the debate centred around the Quran confirming the concept of Injeel being revelation revealed unto Jesus, however the same Quran also states that it has been corrupted and edited over time, for any sincere acadmeic worth his weight there is no contradiction in the claim. However it is now necesary to examine the claim and to look at the Bible in a critical manner which has been done innumerable times to show ambiguity, annonymity and a lack of robustness in its preservation .Demnading yes or no responses from the interlocutor was only a ploy to avoid the real crux of the discussion and a childish attmept to appease the clear fanboy audience.
This needs to happen every week,christians shutting up muslims and showing them for what they really are bless the brothers and sisters
Trust me don’t embarrass yourself 😂 every sound brain can see how braindead he was and his crowd too. And u too 😂
1st the Quran mentioned that "Jesus told the children of Israel that a messenger named Ahmad will come after me" so the Quran didn't say that IN THE BIBLE JESUS SAID TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL THAT A MESSENGER NAMED AHMAD WILL COME AFTER ME.
2- not every thing that Jesus said is mentioned in the Bible so it could be that Jesus said that but no one wrote it in the Bible.
3- since it has been proven that verses of the Bible were thrown out so possibly the verse about the messenger Ahmad might be thrown out as well.
4- I simply believe the Quran over the Bible because God is the author of it directly and the only one but on the other hand the Bible has many authors and among them are anonymous people.