Honda CB500X Front Fork Suspension Upgrade

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  • Honda CB500X Suspension upgrade - front fork springs, PD Valves, and Spring preload
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  • @christophmensch3945
    @christophmensch3945 4 роки тому +4

    Great Honda CB 500X stuff! Really interesting to see what is necessary to change these springs!

  • @bobfisheruk
    @bobfisheruk 4 роки тому +3

    Excellent Video, I liked your explanation with the sketches at the end. they put the point over well.

  • @dsolin
    @dsolin 4 роки тому +7

    In your "normal brilliant fashion" you managed to produce another brilliant video for us. Thank you!

  • @Grasshoppa65
    @Grasshoppa65 4 роки тому +3

    Great vid mate. I am doing my NCs oil change tomorrow. Your vid on that was very helpful in giving me the confidence to do it. I know its an easy job, but its been a long time since I have done my own maintenance.
    Keep em coming.

  • @peted7295
    @peted7295 4 роки тому +4

    Credit to Honda for having the ABS sensor come away with the caliper and bracket, very neat.

  • @LoSconosciuto57179
    @LoSconosciuto57179 2 роки тому

    Good job! Greetings from Milan, Italy.

  • @daveinwla6360
    @daveinwla6360 Рік тому

    If you had installed just the PD valves and the preload adjusters, without the springs-and-spacers,
    you probably would have kept the braking dive from the soft part of the OEM dual-rate springs,
    without the more level braking from the uniformly firm constant rate YSS springs. With the YSS kit,
    the PD ("progressive damping") valves provide an initial firmness of damping, replaced by softer damping for harsher jolts.
    The PD valves are also called "cartridge emulators" because they mimic the progressively stiff damper valve shims found in fork cartridges.

  • @turbofan67
    @turbofan67 3 роки тому +8

    Quite interesting to see the size of the oil journals in the damper rods looked quite large.
    I also bought the YSS fork kit.
    The journals in my 2019 damper rods were only 4mm, so I drilled them out to 8mm to get rid of the harsh high speed compression feeling.
    It made a world of difference to the front end handling.
    It feels much more planted in corners, and doesn't get hydraulic lock when high speed compression occurs.
    Good job on the vid.

    • @nicotristan6119
      @nicotristan6119 2 роки тому

      @Finley Ahmir It did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. I'm so happy!
      Thanks so much, you saved my ass!

    • @finleyahmir7054
      @finleyahmir7054 2 роки тому

      @Nico Tristan You are welcome :D

    • @KyleMagill
      @KyleMagill 2 роки тому

      I'm waiting on the YSS kit for my 2019. This question of number and size of holes in the damping rods has been bothering me. The suspension shop I ordered from has suggested the same as the instructions - not necessary to add/change holes. Not sure what to do...

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  2 роки тому

      Sorry. I can’t add any light. There is conflicting recommendations. I’m not qualified to know which is correct.

    • @turbofan67
      @turbofan67 2 роки тому

      @@KyleMagill The journals in the damper rods are a compromise between high and low speed action of the forks. Drilling them out allows the new valves to take care of all damping.

  • @Chris_Z.
    @Chris_Z. 4 роки тому

    Good Job.

  • @terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff
    @terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff 3 роки тому

    I think I would of just measured the SAG at the front with your good lady on the bike and if in the normal range left them well alone. I would rather of spent the money on new seals instead. The damping kit looks like a great investment though with real results, nice one.

  • @jasegp8933
    @jasegp8933 4 роки тому +1

    Great video and the same model CB500x as mine. I found the kit on the website but no option for different spring rates. I have asked YSS the question.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  4 роки тому

      This is the link to the YSS Oz site for the CB500X
      yssaustralia.com.au/filter?category_7=10&other_9=12&feature_11=101model-CB+500+X&feature_12=2013&type=top#

    • @jasegp8933
      @jasegp8933 3 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff Hi thanks for the link. So do you think the YSS springs are stiffer then standard ones and can you install just the PD valves without other changes ?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      Jase GP - spring stiffness? I don’t know.
      Yes you can just buy the PD valves and just fit those. It’s my opinion these make the biggest difference along with getting the oil level exact.
      I also think the spring preload adjusters are worth having.

  • @garthhowe297
    @garthhowe297 4 роки тому +3

    At this rate, I think you will be opening up a motorcycle suspension business before you know it. Good catch on the measurements.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks mate. It’s a little disappointing to find the size issue but this stuff happens a lot. I guess I would have twigged to it at assembly if not noticed before hand.

  • @crispernator
    @crispernator 4 роки тому

    Gday mate im really glad you did this video as i have just bought a lowering kit being short in the legs and was going to ask how much the forks came out of the top yoke but you have answered my question ,they say it is a 30mm lower which means i should be able to flat foot the bike on a camber as now i am on the ball of my foot on the left side not a good feeling ,just one other question the windsheild extender were did you get that as i am getting some bad buffering on my helmet and want to see if i can remedy it cant say of its the peak on my oneil helmet or wind coming of the screen ,this spring upgrade may be another addition i may add at a later date .

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  4 роки тому +1

      Screen extender is just a cheap no-name brand bought from eBay. There are lots on offer. Just search screen extender.

  • @jimmymundane1084
    @jimmymundane1084 2 роки тому

    Great instruction. Hopefully, she does not decide she wants fork boots now that you have reassembled it.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  2 роки тому

      Thanks mate.
      Not a fan of fork boots. They trap too much crap and lull you into not cleaning the fork.

  • @Checkpat
    @Checkpat 4 роки тому +1

    Nice input as always 👍
    You know cb 500x is the new Itchy Boots’s bike ?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  4 роки тому

      Yes. It will be interesting to see her new adventures on her CB.

  • @troyjollimore4100
    @troyjollimore4100 2 роки тому

    Too much to think of upgrading to the 2022 model inverted front setup? Though it'll be hard to scavenge a good one from the scrappers! ;)

  • @philogre5771
    @philogre5771 4 роки тому +1

    👍

  • @edgarbleikur1929
    @edgarbleikur1929 3 роки тому

    Great to see this being done especially by you, easy to follow and meticulous!
    A mate here in Thailand (Mike Freerider Gagne) with 200,000klms on his NC750X-DCT had that bike and his X-ADV 750 fitted with YSS upgrades and swears by them.
    The Thai YSS website has 20w oil listed for that kit, how did you end up with 10w?
    In Wendy's bike it looks like the shocks sit proud by a few inches of the top triple clamp? If so, did you adjust the height and why? (My guess is to suit her height requirements? This must make the bike very nimble in the Twisties?)
    Amazed you haven't put a sump guard on it for Wendy?
    Had a heck of a time finding a 17mm Allen key in rural Thailand last July not long after buying my CB500X when the front tyre kept going flat and 4 repair plugs over 24 hours wouldn't hold pressure, ended up finding a shop with one. Beautiful German built Allen key weighing about 2 kilograms, or so it feels! Keep contemplating cutting 50 mm or less off the long end and only carrying that around, one day I will...

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks mate.
      I used 10w as that is standard for the NC and I feel it’s still probably too heavy - might try 7.5 next change.
      Wendy’s bike is lowered front and rear, thus the forks sticking out the triple clamps.
      Wendy doesn’t like gravel road riding bug will do it at a pinch. Ste doesn’t need a bash plate. 🙂

    • @edgarbleikur1929
      @edgarbleikur1929 3 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff it's more cooler (on average) there than here so thought that might have been YSS reasoning on oil weights...
      Didn't want to assume the better half was shy of leaving the tarmac, but figured as much, I haven't put one on mine and doubt I will unless my dangling appendages grow larger and I venture off the paving more...

  • @motoryzen
    @motoryzen 2 роки тому

    5:21 to 5:27 " five hundred and fifty mil out" when it clearly reads at or a shade under 450 xD

  • @MrSpatiallife
    @MrSpatiallife 4 роки тому +1

    Brilliant video as always - informative and thorough with clear explanation and post mod review. I'm considering a 2020 NC750X but I'm concerned the front wheel, at 17" might be too small for my riding. Do you think the Rally Raid 17/19 tubeless wheels for the CB500X will work on the NC? Also would the 2019-present CB500X forks (19" front) fit on the NC750X? I'm thinking the brakes - calipers, rotors and ABS ring would be the issue on the stock forks and rear swing arm. I reached out to RR but they haven't gotten back yet...

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  4 роки тому

      Thanks mate.
      17” too small? I’m a bit conflicted on this topic. Personally I haven’t had a problem with the 17 riding gravel roads. Neither the NC or CB are serious off-roaders. And keep in mind the 17 is better than 19 on sealed roads.
      You can get TKC80’s in 17” front and these would be perfect for non-sealed roads.
      I know that the CB has a smaller diameter axles so mods to the rally raid wheels would be required to fit the NC. Personally I don’t think the high cost of these wheels are worth it. But that’s just me.

    • @philippebleau4809
      @philippebleau4809 4 роки тому

      Honda NC750X Stuff why is 17 better than 19 on sealed roads?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  4 роки тому +2

      Philippe Bleau - 17 has lower centrifugal force which means easier, lighter, quicker turn-in when cornering.

    • @philippebleau4809
      @philippebleau4809 4 роки тому

      Honda NC750X Stuff that is logic, thanks.

    • @MrSpatiallife
      @MrSpatiallife 4 роки тому

      Thxs for the speedy reply. Yeah I'm also torn re: 19" front wheel. watching Ignas Bagdonas on YT in which he puts his NC with DCT TC ABS through it's paces off-road is compelling. Also Mike Freerider Gagnas has 160000km review after ADV riding all over south east Asia. But why did Honda put a 19" front wheel on the CB500X starting in 2019?

  • @Jopakilo
    @Jopakilo 3 роки тому +1

    It is very useful and detailed review. I am recently planning to upgrade my ninja400 with same product. And I have some questions see if you can answer my concern please.
    Is the pd valve adjustable to control the amount of oil flow? If so, it seems like valve need to be taken out to adjust...?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому +1

      Correct. The valve needs to be taken out to adjust it. The instructions that come with the valves give you a settings guide.

  • @patfrazer
    @patfrazer Рік тому

    Much more complicated than I tought 😅 I'll give the job to my mechanic 🤑

  • @emiliotripodi2194
    @emiliotripodi2194 2 роки тому

    Salve è molto bravo essendo che devo fare dei lavori alla mia cb 500x pu mica inviare il manuale officina? Che non riesco a reperirlo così da replicare le lavorazioni grazie

  • @grahamhiggins1
    @grahamhiggins1 3 роки тому

    Hi mate, great vid, I’m thinking of fitting the Givi crash bars to my 500X but some people seem to find they vibrate. Have they been ok for your wife’s bike? Cheers

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому +1

      Yes. They do vibrate. I’ve tried to remedy this but only removing them fixes it.
      But Wendy would rather the protection so puts up with the small vibration. Grip puppies on the hand grips helps to minimise it.

  • @didierplouhinec4899
    @didierplouhinec4899 2 роки тому

    I saw you put the OEM plastic spacers instead the YSS metallic ones because the new springs and spacers were shorter than the originals. BUT you must also mention the preload ajusters and PD valves are longer. I am considering to buy this kit but I am a bit confused. Maybe the total length of the YSS kit is egal to the total length of the original ? Here in Phuket the YSS retailer wants me to install the Ohlins fork upgrade kit 118 he has in stock instead ordering the YSS’ kit. I THINK THE PD VALVES are really important.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  2 роки тому +1

      I originally installed PD valves with the original springs. This meant I originally shortened the spacers.
      Than I bought and installed the YSS springs that are shorter to account for the PD valves.
      So I had to adjust the spacers again to suit - back to the standard length.

  • @geoffreynelson3300
    @geoffreynelson3300 3 роки тому +1

    Noticed that you did not drill extra holes in the damping rod. Just did the upgrade on my CB500X and the instructions said to drill 6 holes 8mm diameter. Also I had to install the spacers for the PD valves to fit on the top of the damping rods. May have been a different kit to yours as I only got the valves and springs. Standard spacers were perfect fit for extactly the same preload. PD valves and new springs were the same length as the old spring. Thinking that you should drill the extra holes to get the full value from the kit. The difference you are feeling so far may be the linear springs and not the valves. Just a thought not a criticism.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      As I show on the CB video the CB already had the 4 holes. However the NC didn’t and I had to drill the holes when I installed the valves in it.
      On the CB, both the springs and the spacers supplied for the CB were shorter.

    • @geoffreynelson3300
      @geoffreynelson3300 3 роки тому +1

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff I understand. The instructions that I got for the cb500x valves required 6 holes not 4. So was wondering if you could get more improvement of you do that rather than leaving only 4 holes as original. Could be different to nc700x?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому +1

      Geoff Nelson - arrrr. Now I understand. That’s interesting. I actually asked the Aus YSS distributor to clarify. The latest instructions they got from YSS was that no additional holes were required for the CB. But I’m unconvinced. I think what you have done is probably better.
      However Wendy is very happy with the upgrade as it is (the CB is her bike), so I’ll leave it as is.

  • @donweaver1600
    @donweaver1600 11 місяців тому

    I have a slight knock up and down I have not had the bike long

  • @kevinlawton5761
    @kevinlawton5761 3 роки тому +1

    OK I know nothing about forks, but understand the principle of how they work. So just say I wanted to increase ground clearance could you sink the fork tubes lower down in the head stock? Whereas yours were 22mm proud, could you have them 10mm under giving 30mm increased ground clearance?
    Also I assume the upgrade kit was to increase stiffness and suspension travel. Would it not be the case that the smaller spacer would have given you the extra travel on the forks before the spacer hits the top of the PD valve. The difference in height of springs could also be that the original fork tube cap is concave so the spacer went up inside the cap. The new cap is longer with threaded adjustment using a flat washer protruding down the tube to meet the spacer inside.
    As I said I am not expert but I think by using the original spacer, you have restricted the distance the fork can compress, and you have already pre tensioned the spring, which should have been done by the threaded nut on top of the fork cap.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      Thanks for your comments.
      This is Wendy’s bike. It’s been lowered so she can touch the ground. That’s why the fork tubes are proud of the triple clamps.
      The fork kit gives:
      - Preload adjusters to vary the spring preload
      - springs to replace the old “sagged” springs
      - damping valve for better damping.

  • @advmoto786
    @advmoto786 Рік тому

    Great review... Don't you have to change the rear as well? How is it on long rides? What do you think about it after having it for 2 years

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  Рік тому +1

      No requirement to change the rear shock but had done that a while back.
      Wendy has done 60,000km on it and we have toured all around Oz.
      But any bike is OK for long rides. It all comes down to personal preference.
      Wendy has no intention of selling it.

  • @alphawolf2993
    @alphawolf2993 2 роки тому

    wow this has to be easiest fork switch I've ever seen.

  • @maltesedonkey
    @maltesedonkey 4 роки тому

    Can you tell us what precipitated the replacement? Did your wife suggest that things had got worse since the bike was bought or something else. I find the NC quite sharp in response to any potholes. Nothing like what looked on your video as you passed over the potholes. It looks very well damped. Maybe perception but I’m wondering whether what they put on as OEM is just a bit too tight.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  4 роки тому

      It was ME that decided to upgrade the CB as I felt it was too soft in the spring and damping.
      Whereas the NC compression damping is way too high. And of course the rudimentary standard damping rod can’t handle a range of bump-speeds.

  • @bigjoe4020
    @bigjoe4020 Рік тому

    My 2 biggest issues with my new to me 2021 Cb500X is the short gearing and the seat is killing me. The short gearing just means I have to constantly shift and that gets old quite quickly to me. I always, and still do, had big bikes where this was never an issue.
    But the seat is not something I can tolerate on longer road trips.
    I recall you doing some low budget reupholstering yourself on your Cb500. How did that go and what solutions are there available in Australia that solve this issue ?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  Рік тому

      Sorry. Wasn’t me. Wendy’s 500x still has the standard seat.

  • @lexstockton2451
    @lexstockton2451 3 роки тому

    Did you find the rating of the OEM and YSS fork springs? That will tell you quickly (well, except for “sacking” due to age) if the new springs are important or not. If the rate went up a lot (guessing over 5%) you needed the springs. If the rates are similar you can check the free length, if it is significantly less than the spec you needed new springs. If the rates are close and OEM spring’s length is close to stock the springs might be a waste of those hard earned dollars.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      Springs are a small part of the solution. The greater part is the improved damping and easy preload adjustment.

    • @lexstockton2451
      @lexstockton2451 3 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff Well, I couldn’t disagree more but that would be why they call them opinions. Enjoy the upgrade.

  • @jackcastellanos4037
    @jackcastellanos4037 Рік тому

    Can a 500R be converted to 500X suspension?

  • @simonglobalwalkaboutnet6320
    @simonglobalwalkaboutnet6320 3 роки тому

    Hey mate, going to be down your way on Tuesday / Wednesday if you're free for a bit of a ride.. I'm running in another new bike as my NC750X was crushed by a runaway car in the driveway and sadly I couldn't get another one (and now I've got about $2k of accessories that won't fit the new bike).
    Anyway, let me know if you're up for a bit of a ride. (couldn't find where I messaged you last time, LOL)

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому +1

      Mate, that’s sounds nasty. Unfortunately I’m not available any day this week.
      UA-cam doesn’t have a “message” function anymore so you can’t PM via UA-cam.

    • @simonglobalwalkaboutnet6320
      @simonglobalwalkaboutnet6320 3 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff no worries mate, yeah I was sure we used private messages before.. Oh well.
      Stay safe mate, I'll catch you next time.
      Oh, if you know of anyone wanting a heap of accessories I'll be selling them soon.

  • @user-hw6jb4po7u
    @user-hw6jb4po7u 3 роки тому

    front up possible??? how?? 😍😍😍

  • @franteach7652
    @franteach7652 3 роки тому

    Thanks for your vids. Do you own both a NC750X and CB500X?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      Yes. Wendy rides the 500X. It’s an excellent bike but harder to do maintenance on.

    • @franteach7652
      @franteach7652 3 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff if you had to choose one for commuting and adventure, which one would you choose?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      @@franteach7652 - the 500x model with the 19” front wheel.

    • @franteach7652
      @franteach7652 3 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff Thanks! And what is your experience with DCT on NC?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому +1

      @@franteach7652 DCT is only available on the Africa Twin in Oz. But I’m not interested in a DCT anyway. It would be brilliant if you were riding in traffic a lot, but we live in a semi rural area and only ride for pleasure.

  • @tasaheel131
    @tasaheel131 3 роки тому +1

    How are you man we miss your videos..
    Hope u r ok.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      All good here thanks for asking.
      I’ve run out of vid ideas and we haven’t been riding much lately even though it’s perfect weather for it 😢

  • @surajisagoodboy
    @surajisagoodboy Рік тому

    Hello mate, quick question
    Will the bridge/ top fork of cb500x and cb300f be the same?

  • @carlospais5455
    @carlospais5455 3 роки тому

    Adrian, do you know how to take out the rear turning signal...I broke mine, and I have a new one, but at certain point, I can’t remove the old one. Have you any diy I northerlies to remove the old lamp? Thanks.

    • @carlospais5455
      @carlospais5455 3 роки тому

      Sorry “northerlies”...I would like to say...have you any diy that explains how to remove the old lamp?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому +1

      Sorry mate. I haven’t had the need to remove it so can’t give it any help 😢

  • @dsolin
    @dsolin 3 роки тому

    How's it going, Adrian? Are you ok? No videos for a while so just checking in.

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      Daniel Solin - thanks mate. We are fine. The vid creation enthusiasm has dried up at present.
      Going for a 5 day bike trip starting Monday and not taking the camera. Just want to enjoy the ride without the distraction of always thinking of the next shot to take.

    • @dsolin
      @dsolin 3 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff That's what I wanted to hear! Enjoy and welcome back if you ever feel like it. There are bigger things than youtube...

  • @jasegp8933
    @jasegp8933 3 роки тому

    Hi there, do you know how much fork oil is needed in ml so I don't have to measure the level with the whole fork for apart ?

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому

      You could place the same volume you take out. But I recommend you measure the air gap as this it way more accurate.

    • @Herzankerkreuz67
      @Herzankerkreuz67 3 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff
      Hearing some pretty dire stuff about Australia in the news lately, hope you guys are doing well.
      Safe rides 👍🏍

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  3 роки тому +1

      andree hammerschmidt - thanks mate. It’s the state of Victoria that’s coming out of a second wave of CV. Up here in New South Wales we are fine.

  • @lequadeurmanu71
    @lequadeurmanu71 3 роки тому

    Hello do you have a link for this part ? Thanks

  • @sandwaves5642
    @sandwaves5642 4 роки тому

    Woooo.... Where is the NC750X ❓🤔

    • @AfricaTwin-Stuff
      @AfricaTwin-Stuff  4 роки тому +1

      The CB is the wife’s bike. Got to look after my best riding buddy!

    • @sandwaves5642
      @sandwaves5642 4 роки тому

      @@AfricaTwin-Stuff
      🤓👍