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I still find it really funny that Insomniac focused so much on the black suit in the marketing, but in the game itself it's super uninspired. So much so that the moment you receive it in story mode, it automatically switches to surge mode lol to show the slightest difference
I literally gasped when he showed it. It feels like it was SUPPOSED to be like this, with venom draging MJ from the fridge and then from infront of him to behind the table. Like Dorito said, it makes no sense
I hate how miles's invisibility is just thrown in the game non-chalantly when in his own game it was a crucial point of the story. His invisibility is very important because its what seperates peter and miles from each other. I never use it because when you activate it enemies can see you and theres just no point of having it in the game.
Why do you guys focus on things that don’t matter. I get preference, but you guys act like little things like this is so detrimental & could’ve saved the game 💀
@-Anonymous-. Bro I putting down things that suck about this game, personal things that I think need work. Idc how little this complaint is its the fact that it needs work, hell this whole game needs work
@-Anonymous-. His invisibility would've saved stealth, miles's stealth is a crucial part of himself amd his story missions and to just have it thrown in here non-chalantly shows that they don't care about miles at all in this game. His invisibility wouldn't save the game but it would've made stealth more fun.
@@Dctctx Things like that don't get canceled because of leaks dude, no one in their right mind would cancel a multimillion dollar with years of work put onto it project because its known to exist. Look at Half-Life 2, older versions of the game got leaked but by the time that came out, the game was completely different and still made a shit tone of money
Great video. You cooked once again. I so disagree with the decision to start Peter in a bad place at the beginning of the game. Symbiote stories are typically at their strongest when Peter begins in a relatively good place, and the suit slowly drags him into a downward spiral. Even Spider-Man 3 managed to get this right. Imagine if, on top of his usual stress, Peter was also a teacher at Brooklyn Visions, invested in the lives of his students. When Peter first gets the suit, he might find himself able to balance being both Spider-Man and a teacher, using the symbiote’s power to save time and energy. But as the symbiote takes over, his solutions become increasingly violent or thoughtless, even making things worse for his students. By the third act, when the symbiote army attacks, the students Peter tried to help could be trapped under the wreckage of their destroyed school, forcing Peter now free of the symbiote to rescue them in a triumphant moment of redemption. This would tie his heroism directly to his personal relationships and responsibility, creating a deeply emotional payoff. The potential for storytelling with Peter as a teacher at Brooklyn Visions is massive, but instead, the game squanders it and has him get fired in literally the first fucking mission. Instead, they gave the Brooklyn Visions side missions to Miles and they feel like some of the most cringeworthy, AI generated content I’ve seen in a game. These missions are shallow and meaningless, emblematic of a broader issue with Spider-Man 2: the reliance on safe, surface-level storytelling. If Insomniac wants their games to compete for Game of the Year, they need to inject real heart and depth into their stories, like The Last of Us Part II or God of War. Bryan Intihar, the game’s creative director, has said they aim to show you don’t need powers to be a hero. But which is more relatable to the everyday person: a struggling teacher doing everything they can for their students, or a guy working at a billion dollar tech company on bee saving technology? What happened here?
The Symbiote is a fall from grace storyline that works best when Peter is at a good point in his life. The destructive nature and allure of power is a tragedy in the making.
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The characterizations of the characters is sumn that has bothered me since the first game. Everyone is either super ideal n capable or too smart. I always felt Peter in these games was too nice, not in terms of being a good person or hero, but he doesn’t have the anger or melancholy that Peter often has which I think hurts the character. If u can only imagine peter being mad when he is in the black suit, u missed the plot
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Your review on this game is still my favourite, so this whole other hour expanding on it was a pretty satisfying listen, even if nothing's really changed obviously. Also yeah I fully agree with the whole "rushed" thing. Made this point during one of xsunnysunset's streams who went back through this game a month ago and tore it a new one, and we agreed that the story simply "having more time" wouldn't have saved it, because at the end of the day, Insomniac made the decisions they did. Their take on the symbiote storyline was absolutely horrible, but they don't acknowledge fault, they just agree Act 3 was rushed, meaning they probably are of the opinion all the other stuff was great and even with all the time in the world the game's narrative would have still come out rotten to the core. And the MJ and Aunt May stuff could have worked so well in my opinion but as you said they genuinely did nothing to set it up so those moments suck ass too and just have the player going "what are you even talking about?" About the whole strength thing. I guess Spidey isn't necessarily "less powerful" than he was in the first, especially because in that game there were stupid moments of weakness like him getting helplessly tossed around by Silver Sable, but generally it did a better job portraying him as cool and competent I guess. In this game Miles feels stronger, cooler, faster and more competent than Peter at every point. Even when Peter has the symbiote there's no point where you ever really get the impression he has become more powerful and can handle himself, which then also makes the whole very barely fleshed out idea of Peter feeling like "he needs the suit to keep up. It's how he can save everyone" just fail entirely. Had Miles fought the Lizard he would have probably launched it in the air, done a triple backflip, wholeass DMC combo, and annihilated it with a Thunder Punch to make the heavens shiver. Meanwhile Symbiote Peter still gets manhandled, is pinned to the floor and struggling to get free, breaks his arm and so on. I just feel like they took the completely wrong steps at every turn with the black suit, even just at such basic things. Incredibly frustrating.
I found so funny how defenders of this game constantly argue that is OK how awfully underdeveloped Miles was because it was a "Peter Story" & I'm like _I'M SORRY WHAT?!_ The game's litterally Called SPIDER-MEN 2 PS5, THIS GAME was sold to you as a MILES & PETER game (literally all the trailers, posters & even the cover art sells you that they are equally important to the game & both are playable). & NO, Miles defeating Venom does NOT count because he was barely on the game & then he comes out of nowhere in the end to punch a guy he has never met in a place he has never been 🤦🏽♂
It wasn't implied they'd be equally important. It was a simple statement that they'd both be playable. And Miles being thrown in the back for a while (or having his revenge arc), was purposeful to show Peter pushing him away as the suit becomes "his pretty best friend in the whole wide world".
Great, A Spider-Fanboy just appear to prove I'm right, thanks @KrypticSpiderMan , what are you gonna do next? Insult MJ actress & say she is a self-insert? Say that Peter is Spidey & Miles is Miles? You are as predictible as original 🤡
There was A LOT of cut content but there was a Miles and Harry mission where they go to the area where Rhino died. Miles brings up Phone, Harry explains how he feels sorry about what happen and that he lost his mom saying she was the only one to truly "understand" him. Miles agrees that Phin was the one that understood him but Harry reassures him that dnt worry he okay with getting to understand and know Miles. (Super wholesome interaction while exposing the scary side of the situation with Rhino's death) That's why at the end Miles brings up Harry's mother about how he knows she's talking to him because they spoke on her.
One thing I hate about kraven in this game is where he described killing off some of spideys rouges gallery like electro, vulture, shocker, scorpion and I think rhino. I dont like how he said shocker was the hardest one to kill out of all of villains he had killed. Wouldnt Electro be the hardest one to kill? Electro can literally fly, absorb electricity and can even turn into pure energy and you're telling me the hardest one for kraven to beat was shocker? I get vulture, scorpion and maybe rhino was easy to kill but saying that shocker was hard to kill is just crazy to me.
The thing that I think that hurts the gameplay the most, is the enemy Ai. First thing they NEED to improve in the 3rd Game when it comes to gameplay. Like if you do stealth in this game, they're just really stupid. Like if a friend/colleague hangs on a web, and it's almost on eye level, they just don't try to look up to see their coworker just hanging there on a web. And if they notice it, they don't even try to stop, and help him/her out, they directly go and move on to find Spider-Man. And they only look up when you shoot a web next to them. 🤦 Or if you web an enemy on a wall on their level, the others will just walk past their coworker, instead of trying to get him/her out of the web and regroup. And it really shows how laughably bad the enemy AI is when you play the MJ missions. Like i seriously don't get why people like the stealth in these MJ missions. The enemy Ai is so broken and way to easy to play through, where i can just speedrun the whole thing on the hardest difficulty.
Its crazy, I played it nonstop on release and havent considered playing it again for even like a single moment. Sure it has good gameplay and some really cool setpieces, but man the dialogue and story only range from bland to dogsh*t. It's a genuine waste of the actor's performances, they deserved better writers.
36:35 THANK YOU!!!!! I was so happy to hear she was gonna return, thought wed have some real deep convos about justice and revenge and we NEVER GOT IT! I feel like they dropped the ball on one of if not the only big side mission with lasting effects. Also funnily enough, 36:48 we said the same thing word for word lol
We just need better Combos and more combos to diversify the gameplay a bit still the same 4 hit combos and you can’t do the 4 hit combo to webline pull back you could do in miles morales. They need to take a book from Arkham for ng+ make the enemies harder and smarter, make the spider sense alittle transparent, and give us more combos!
I like the way this was made 100% Love the pauses for the laughter, great example was when you joked about how your first opninon is perfect, that had me laughing hard. Its nice to hear more levity and idk warm ig? I like the hybrid is what I'm saying
Going to have disagree on peter nerf thing he was objectively nerfed I mean comon he can’t even dodge lighting anymore in the sandman fight he gets hit by it multiple times and there is so many more examples. Peter not being able to lift a tiny ass brick wall off himself, him having trouble pulling a spear out of a ship ,can’t lift a train off himself ,his spider-sense never ever works, he loess to venom even with anti venom, he got one shot by kraven , he lost to miles with the venom symbiote and almost got killed by a stab wound ect. Compare this to the first game he can effortlessly dodge lighting multiple times, he can lift a rubble 5x that brick wall , he can lift a train out the ground, he basically lifts a 300 ton crane up, he can tip over mister negative’s tank, he can take getting impaled by doc ock, he could beat up a amped mister negative with broken bones ect and I can keep going. In the end I think it is obvious that Peter got nerfed he is performing worse or failing at task he was able to do in the previous game with not much difficulty or no difficulty at all
It could have worked if they gave it a story reason like in the Spider-Man 2 movie. Peter is losing confidence in his abilities so psychologically he makes himself weaker than he actually is. The symbiote makes him think he’s stronger but it’s just manipulating him. This game could have been fixed if they just took another year to develop it.
I hate peter and miles relationship in this game. They barely spoke to each other, their supposed to have a teacher and student type of relationship but it feels like their distant friends who see each other only sometimes. There were moments in this game where peter shouldve related to miles, like when miles wanted revenge on martin li or miles wanting to go to college. Peter had so much experience with these topics and hes not around for miles at all. Miles is still new to being spiderman and peter should be there training him, but it feels like miles doesnt need training. Some moments in the story it feels like miles is training peter which is stupid. Then peter is giving miles the role of spiderman when miles barley has any experience what so ever. This game is just mediocre, it was fun while it lasted but its not good at all.
Ive been reading the tie in book to the first game (weirdly no one exists for this one) and it actually sets up the ending of this game quite well having him set up the idea that he cant quit until fisk is taken down and then presumably in the first game until the demons are taken down and then presumably until miles is trained and then so on, however that is no excuse for this game as I shouldn't have to read a prequel book for the first game that is probably not even cannon just to have the ending work for the character even in the slightest. Good book though I'm quite enjoying it.
I swear, wall-crawling and wall-running was basically perfected in Web of Shadows and in every other game after devs were like "so how about we throw this out" edit: forgot to mention that I find the whole DLC thing weird. like, yeah, if Insomniac had it planned and cancelled due to a leak that sucks (i guess?) but I think it's a very bizarre mindset of people to go into a game expecting DLC. I think it's a very damaging mindset to go into a video game with the expectation of DLC because it just encourages game devs to not include all the content they created on launch and instead hide it behind another pay wall. when you pay full price for a video game you should expect all the content to be included and we need to discourage companies from, say, announcing DLC before the game has even come out (I'm looking at you Spider-Man PS4).
I just think it’s an unfortunate situation. They should have told us immediately when they decided to cancel DLC. I know we weren’t told we’d have any but they also NEVER denied it. They always said “we have nothing to announce at this time.”They were simply working on it the whole time but at some point this year decided to cut their losses and work on other games (Wolverine) that would generate higher revenue. Insomniac should have been up front. They set up an expectation from the first game as well as setting up DLC oriented characters in side content in the second game. There’s NO WAY that Carnage was supposed to be saved for a third game and not resolved in a big DLC event. How are we going to stop Carnage if we don’t have the Anti-Venom suit? That also means it’s permanent and will come back in the third game as a way to fight off symbiote enemies created by carnage. Is the third game just going to be Green Goblin, Carnage, Red Goblin, and Doc Ock all together? Are they going to mix in the clone saga too? Insomniac has bit off far more than it can chew now thanks to their decision to cut DLC. Carnage will just be a sidequest in the third game I’m sure even though he’s far too powerful to just be ignored by the main story. He’s stronger and more dangerous than VENOM
@@superjlk_9538 Insomniac shouldn't have set up the expectation for DLC in the first place. Planning and announcing DLC for your 60 dollar video game before it was even released that costs an additional 25 is bad practice and just a shitty thing to do.
It’s been over a year and the game is still broken. Music still stops when I take civilians to the ambulance, Miles and Peter still say symbiotes are dropping in when it is in fact hunters, crimes still disappear when I arrive at them, and the symbiote traversal abilities still sound like the spider-arms.
I'll say for the millionth time, it plays like a dream, but this game's story is inconsequential and it is all the worse because of it, by the end of it it feels like nothing happened, all the while consistently jiggling keys for the "next one". The game is a rollercoaster, crawling from explosion to explosion, and after the event i cannot care for it or going in again
1:12:14 I personally prefer the more scripted stuff. It feels more like the points have more of a chance to be fleshed out. Wheras here they sometimes feel "too casual?"
Wait so forgive me if Im lost but kraven was able to defeat scorpio by making an antidote before the fight took place? Did they mention it anywhere in the story because I didn't pay attention to the voice recordings
It's a miss-able item you can interact with before you inspect Scorpion's armor. Peter says that Kraven has gotten a hold of this specific flower that is an antidote to Scorpion's poison. Whether or not Kraven actually used it is never directly stated, but I'm assuming he did based on how Kraven has no reaction to Scorpion's poison. And why else would they include that detail.
@DoritoGOD2811 thank you for the response and in my opinion the you made the best video explaining the critiques and popular conversations about this games flaws this game has I finished your video at a single sitting even having my dinner through it 😃 keep up your amazing detailed analytics of these story focused videogames
Another thing I hate is Mary Jane, the developers really don't know what to do with Mary Jane and her character is so annoying and boring. Why does every adaptation of her have to be a reporter and why do the developers keep putting her missions in the spiderman games. I play spiderman to play with spiderman not with shitty ass mj. You can give her a gun, a sword and I still won't care for her. It's not fair that she can get stupid ass solo missions but miles can't get decent side quests? Are you serious? In swear if we have to play as her in the next one I'm gonna lose it. There would be no point when were probably gonna be playing as silk, miles and peter so I hope there's not room for her missions at all.
I really do think Kraven using underhanded methods and means AND wanting to die in battle COULD work, if the idea was intended as "he wants to be BEATEN, DEFEATED. he wants to devise a perfect plan to victory and watch it fail, watch his options shrink, feel HELPLESS towards his final end, to know that he did everything he could and for it to simply not be enough against this foe." Which is what I think they TRIED to set-up when you get his backstory of nearly being killed by a Lion and it forever changing him? But it's just, never really set up well enough for me to believe that this is actually HAPPENING in the story.
It’s genuinely funny how so many people were genuinely thinking this game is going to be GOTY , idk it’s just funny bc even Mario wonder would have been picked before SM2
I think in the case of the Iron Spider being colored weird it's just a case of like- the actual film version being red, but then like certain marketing materials being orangey? Like I know personally my brain always recalls it looking more orangey for some reason, I don't know if like- In Homecoming when it's teased maybe it WAS? But I feel like all the toys and things have always made it orangey red and so maybe that's why Insomniac made it red? But to be fair their movie suits are pretty hit or miss in terms of faithfulness, like the Raimi one is pretty off, and I think the TASM 1 looks close enough, but does kind of for some reason look just a bit off to me maybe because it's like- too clean? And too bright.
Can I just say miles feels more like a kid when he’s Spider-Man but when he’s miles he’s this big old teenager like in his voice his voice is more kid like when spider man and he’s more chill when non Spider-Man and he looks more smaller when Spider-Man
YESSSSSSS IVE BEEN WATING WEEKS FOR THIS, I’ve been planning to walk to Burger King through the rain/snow and deadly cold winds so I can get a soda to celebrate this legendary occasion. THANK YOU DORRITO MESSIAH, OUR LORD 🎉
@ Actually not too far, but the weathers been really bad lately 😭I literally just got cured from being sick but I’m risking it all for our DORRITO Lord
Best and most recent example of wasted potential. This could’ve been game of the generation, instead I forgot about it pretty much soon as I rolled credits. Story was great until the third act, then they rushed it so bad. Played through it again on new game+ when that was released and honestly haven’t touched it since. The news of no dlc just put the nail in the coffin for me
Jeez, Kraven the Hunter dying of something incurable? If only the plot had something in it that could, latch onto a host and cure them of something fatal, like, some kinda alien that augments the host. Might have added more weight to the fight if the stakes for Kraven were "I get a warriors death, or I live on as the ultimate hunter" Idk man, I'm not writing with playstation money
Kraven not being offered the symbiote is a gigantic missed opportunity. Having him accept it to continue as the ultimate hunter, OR reject it as "cheating". Either would have been telling for his character, but instead we get nothing.
Man, it’s almost like the same thing also is a live and has a conscience. Which is why it CHOOSES who it wants to fuse with instead of just jump in on anyone whose sick
I think the reason the story ended up the way it did is that Insomniac 1.) wanted to address complaints that the first game dragged in places and 2.) didn't want to make the player wait too long before getting to the stuff with the symbiote suit and Venom. The unfortunate end result is that the whole story feels rather undercooked. I think a lot of the game's issues could've been fixed if they had just slowed things down and gave the plot more room to breathe instead of zipping through it as fast as possible.
I couldn't agree with you more on your critique of the New Game Plus for this game. I platinum completed the first playthrough and new game plus, and the option to skip all of that bloat should have been there. It's funny, Insomniac made Rift Apart and you can skip Clank and Kit missions if you want to, but you can't do something similar in their Spider-Man games. Great video man.
My main problem with the side quests is that you unlock each thing all at once like the sandman missions and the BVA missions and it’s all the same level no matter what giving it do it all now and do it all later mentality so there’s no higher difficulty challenges as you go on or hard puzzles which sucks because in like Batman: Arkham Knight it has those puzzles that actually have to think through and harder enemies as you go on but this game doesn’t because it was either rushed or put on the back burner so much they just did it last minute
Awesome video. Can't speak for others, but the reason I wanted DLC and was disappointed we didn't get it is because... Well I A) wanted more suits and B) wanted more story. As it stands now, the standing plot threads of Carnage, and the upcoming stuff from the final scenes of the game? I'm worried about a disconnected double story line. Plus I was hoping we'd get hints of... Well- Cindy Moon as well, I love the idea of Silk being in the universe and getting to potentially play as her in the third main game. Fixing issues? Nah, never expected that.
The uptown suit from miles’ game is my favorite suit for him and I HATE how they butchered it here. Why have 2 shades of gold? And why choose the ugliest gold? How hard is it to do a color swap??? F***ing ridiculous
For me the game and its developers wasted time on things that either wasn’t cool or boring like Miles school I genuinely don’t care about the school nor the people that go there or the music museum explaining people I never heard of and like will never care about enough to learn about this is a Spider-Man game not a history lesson they should’ve scrapped all of that and the thing that would have Miles busy this game while Peter deals with his side of the story is expand on the threat Fisk gave him maybe Fisk kidnaps or hurts someone they suspect/found out to be helping Spider-Man and they killed them and that would be Miles conflict
I really like the hand-unit (specifically from Sister Location) effect you do for talking about suit-usage in New Game+ (Edit): I actually really like the toothpaste collection. I find it easier to find the likeable part of something widely hated on subjective values. Being trans, autistic, and a furry with do that for ya. This is the one time someone can say the outfits look autistic and I *_won't_* explain throughout several thesises in their comment section how them saying that definitely notes that they're very much objectively either a Nazi, SA apologist, or (definitively based on the first one) both. I mean, I still could, I just won't do it because I entirely agree, because I like them, and being an outcast from society and my family on several levels makes me automatically like the suits for being inherently relatable. Like Phonegingi in Dialtown. Only there, besides the vibes of the character, I actually wish I looked like Phonegingi, but that's a trauma-dump for another time. Also, I think the Phone-that-directly-mirrors-Callum-Crown-head looks objectively better, but as a result of conditioning by the lore and game, I'd rather look like Typegingi, because Typewriters, to quote the opening of the game, "don't *_directly_* indicate gender". See, thing is, they do to an extent, and being able to play as whatever gender is more a game design thing, as, unlike the art curator, Phone/Typegingi doesn't have a combination head, only one or the other. Granted, Phonegingi strikes me as genderfluid, but liek, I find it more likely to believe I'd marry a gay gal in the future than Oliver. I mean, I guess if he were cis I'd find it harder to believe, and were Karen trans I'd find it easier to believe, but still. Or, maybe sexuality has actually gone from Gynomorphism and Andromorphism to just heads, because Oliver is technically minded, and constructed his own phonehead, but seems to only be wearing a binder as far as any form of transtioning goes to my knowledge. I really refuse to believe anyone could wear any form of top-wear under flannel otherwise. Also, I guess I don't know if Oliver has had bottom surgery. Anyway, thanks to him, I understand how off-putting my monster-fucker schtichk is, and how much I come-off as a chaser, and that trans people can be chasers. Anyway, point being, I think Pete and Harry should've made out, especially whilst in the pasty-white-toothpaste and tall-dark-symbiote suits. (Edit): Now that the mouth has been pointed out, I absolutely adore the suit. (Edit): I'm starting to think I'm just incapable of hating suits, but I think people hating on any specific suit in particular just makes me want to defend it more, which, like the OofTroop with ScrapTrap, makes me grow fonder of it than well liked suits. Besides Amazing Spider-Man 2 suit of course, although that's mostly because Andrew Garfield was pushing for Peter being bi, and I associate the suit with Andrew Garfield, and due to things besides how the suit looks, because of that alone it'll always hold a place in my heart. (Edit): I think the twist was obvious. Mysterio being redeemed at face value alone matters for the theme of redemption going on throughout the game? The point that: "No, killing is kinda pwetty cwinge, UwU rawr."? Past that, I like Quentin Beck. You don't watch a Deadpool movie for the plot, and it even having a plot is very much not a right, but a very graciously bestowed gift from Marvel Jesus which we should all be grateful for. I bring up that last bit because that's how I feel about Quentin Beck's inclusion in game. Wanted to make sure you got that. Kinda, "Idioms go over my head" kinda energy, ya know? Just to clarify, I know you don't get it, which is the point of me making it.
so many aspects of this game had the ball dropped, my opinion has really soured of this game sadly, when i was in 2018 i couldn’t afford spiderman when it came out and id watch easter egg videos and lore break downs and i would be non stop hyped until i finally got my greasy paws on that game, and the same was for spiderman 2 when it came out. and i actually watched you play it live as my first time seeing it and it was cool but i did not go out and buy the game after. they favored a rushed spectacle instead of well developed story like the first. and i know the first games story isn’t perfect but there were so many elements that were just air tight that this game can’t even muster the breath to follow up on. i don’t think the game should’ve been longer but the development or story boarding should’ve been cause even from the start if they were allowed more than 5 minutes to think about things they’d have come up with something more cohesive and something that would’ve stuck. the only parts of this game i remember are all the moments i went “why is this happening” and then playing as venom for like 10 min. i played the trial just to see if id feel something different while playing it and everything after that intro felt so blegh. plus the no dlcs basically just kill this story cause it was very much made in mind that these loose ends would be covered in said dlc. all around this game is like a really pretty fish that’s dead in the water.
I am so glad you mentioned unskippable cutscenes. This issue alone makes NG+ insufferable on this game. And we should be able to skip conversations, and sections like riding bikes and shooting hoops with Harry. I appreciate a good story, but being forced to watch it when you just wanna have some action makes this game hard to come back to for me tbh.
2:05 funny how when people where saying that back in 2018, they got attacked and insulted in the replies 😅 It took 2 more games to admit the flaws of the first one.
I feel like Vulture and Sandman should have swapped places, Sandman as part of Sinister Six in the first game and Vulture as the running away criminal Spider-Men have to take down.
It wouldn't have been a great opener or if they did the same method of the mission, vulture doesn't really have minions that can be formed like that or even deployed like Kraven. He's just a cancer ridden old man. Wish we saw him tho
@@jordanplayz5637 He did use children as henchmen in Superior Spider-Man. While it wouldn't be as spectacular as Sandman opening but Vulture fits the theme of hunt better, getting fired would have still happened if Vulture either crashed to school or Peter got late. I also didn't like the cancer aspect, it made feel bad for beating up an old guy with cancer.
41:19 While I wouldn't exactly say there was a direct correlation between the game not winning a single award and the people who actually did just change their opinion (whether that was because they actually don't like the story or for the grift like some), I don't think it's a coincidence that more people were critical when it did end up not winning any awards. Not saying you're wrong at all, but I do think a select group of people did decide to join a hate bandwagon as soon as it didn't win anything, but that's not to say that EVERYONE joined after that.
1:37 I think you got hit due to the truck you were next to was involved in an animation so it collided with you since it was about to do its scripted path. That's my only idea as to why you got sent flying. Also love the vids cant wait to finish this one!
I don’t know what’s up with these costumes. Only the comicbook artists should do the suits i think because my god. 99% of the suits made by insomniac is unusable trash
(FYI Don’t get butthurt over a random nobodies opinion of a game) IMO the year really showed me that this game is kind of forgettable. I still remember the entire story, side quests, upgrades, and skins from the original game but I just can’t with this one apart from the gliding mechanic which was cool but it’s definitely not a incredible sequel like say, Arkham city.
I think that Spiderman 2 is a good game with lots of flaws but its still a fun game and i think a game being fun is the most important thing a game can be. The story is crap though
While I agree that the Black Suit story arc in this game isn’t a good metaphor for addiction. I would say it’s a better metaphor for toxic male masculinity. This game essentially explores the worst possible interpretation of the phrase ‘With great power, comes great responsibility.’ And instead puts forth the idea that ‘If you have great power, you have a responsibility to take care of yourself in order for your great power to be the best it can be for others.’ Peter operates under the logic that as long as he’s being Spider-Man in some capacity. He’s justifying May’s death. Even if it means being an objectively worse Spider-Man to the people around him. And the Black Suit amplifies this. It feeds into the emotions that Peter holds in because he thinks that’s what’ll make him a great hero. And the suit becomes the tipping point to where Pete lets all his rage out about being Spider-Man. And he can justify it later by saying it’s the alien. The suit definitely has its own goals & motivations. But it largely lets Peter commit his own actions so that it can at least feel like Peter isn’t being dragged around by it. I don’t think the suit really cares if Peter’s doesn’t want to lose Harry. But it lets Peter have that time to be the active player so that Pete doesn’t feel like he’s being manipulated. It creates the worst of both habits for him. It lets him get out his emotions, but not in a healthy way because Pete’s saying all this stuff as Spider-Man to his villains instead of the people he loves. But Peter still tries to suppress those emotions because he thinks being Spider-Man as much as possible is what’s going to justify May’s death. That’s why I don’t mind him getting over his job. Because honestly, Peter never seemed like he wanted a job. Because it would mean he can’t be Spider-Man 24/7, which means May’s death was for nothing. The Black Suit is essentially a metaphor or people who try to push their bodies to the limit because they think doing anything else with a support system is somehow less mature for them. One of Peter’s final lines with the suit on is ‘I’m the hero. I don’t get saved.’ Which is probably the most clearcut example of Peter trying to justify being Spider-Man as much as possible with no sign of taking a break. Because according to people who think this way, taking a break means you’re being lazy.
It may not be a masterpiece like the 2018 title but we can all agree that it is better than Gotham Knights, which puts Marvel 1 to 0 vs DC on this console generation.
One last is the god awful suits, there are billions of spiderman suits from the comics and they choose the ones no one has heard of or they get trash artists to design the suits. How come miles gets all of his suits from his game but peter cant? I get its hard for them to design suits but come on man. They took the time for miles and should be able to do the same with peter. Theres so many suits from the first game that shouldve returned in this game.
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I still find it really funny that Insomniac focused so much on the black suit in the marketing, but in the game itself it's super uninspired.
So much so that the moment you receive it in story mode, it automatically switches to surge mode lol to show the slightest difference
Couldn't agree more. Been saying this since It first came out
1:04:37 im surprised how much better this scene looks without that shot of Venom holding up MJ
I literally gasped when he showed it. It feels like it was SUPPOSED to be like this, with venom draging MJ from the fridge and then from infront of him to behind the table. Like Dorito said, it makes no sense
Came here to say this
I hate how miles's invisibility is just thrown in the game non-chalantly when in his own game it was a crucial point of the story. His invisibility is very important because its what seperates peter and miles from each other. I never use it because when you activate it enemies can see you and theres just no point of having it in the game.
I think I went invisible in SM2 like 4 times
The invisibility and the hacking app from the first game could very well be implemented in stealth sections, but they are just left aside.
Why do you guys focus on things that don’t matter. I get preference, but you guys act like little things like this is so detrimental & could’ve saved the game 💀
@-Anonymous-. Bro I putting down things that suck about this game, personal things that I think need work. Idc how little this complaint is its the fact that it needs work, hell this whole game needs work
@-Anonymous-. His invisibility would've saved stealth, miles's stealth is a crucial part of himself amd his story missions and to just have it thrown in here non-chalantly shows that they don't care about miles at all in this game. His invisibility wouldn't save the game but it would've made stealth more fun.
Could've been better, should've had dlc, still an alright game
10/10 review🎉
its mid at most 5/10 on the game
We would’ve had dlc if leakers didn’t ruin it
its not just an alright game, its a good game but it could’ve been better and its really been clearly rushed
@@Dctctx Things like that don't get canceled because of leaks dude, no one in their right mind would cancel a multimillion dollar with years of work put onto it project because its known to exist. Look at Half-Life 2, older versions of the game got leaked but by the time that came out, the game was completely different and still made a shit tone of money
Great video. You cooked once again. I so disagree with the decision to start Peter in a bad place at the beginning of the game. Symbiote stories are typically at their strongest when Peter begins in a relatively good place, and the suit slowly drags him into a downward spiral. Even Spider-Man 3 managed to get this right. Imagine if, on top of his usual stress, Peter was also a teacher at Brooklyn Visions, invested in the lives of his students. When Peter first gets the suit, he might find himself able to balance being both Spider-Man and a teacher, using the symbiote’s power to save time and energy. But as the symbiote takes over, his solutions become increasingly violent or thoughtless, even making things worse for his students. By the third act, when the symbiote army attacks, the students Peter tried to help could be trapped under the wreckage of their destroyed school, forcing Peter now free of the symbiote to rescue them in a triumphant moment of redemption. This would tie his heroism directly to his personal relationships and responsibility, creating a deeply emotional payoff. The potential for storytelling with Peter as a teacher at Brooklyn Visions is massive, but instead, the game squanders it and has him get fired in literally the first fucking mission.
Instead, they gave the Brooklyn Visions side missions to Miles and they feel like some of the most cringeworthy, AI generated content I’ve seen in a game. These missions are shallow and meaningless, emblematic of a broader issue with Spider-Man 2: the reliance on safe, surface-level storytelling. If Insomniac wants their games to compete for Game of the Year, they need to inject real heart and depth into their stories, like The Last of Us Part II or God of War. Bryan Intihar, the game’s creative director, has said they aim to show you don’t need powers to be a hero. But which is more relatable to the everyday person: a struggling teacher doing everything they can for their students, or a guy working at a billion dollar tech company on bee saving technology? What happened here?
EXCELLENTLY PUT! When I first played, and saw Peter being the teach I was so excited! I thought it was such a good next step for him.
@ Exactly! And it’s also such a beloved era in the comics so it really felt like they took something away by not even exploring it.
The Symbiote is a fall from grace storyline that works best when Peter is at a good point in his life. The destructive nature and allure of power is a tragedy in the making.
Idk if you read my comment or not but since the captain America vid from marvel avengers I fell in love with the way you talk abt this popular stuff and saying ur own opinion without thinking abt what other people would think. Thats the whole reason that I watched ur long avenger breakdown video like 8 times and also i watched this whole video in one sitting. I can confidently say ( as a person that genuinely loves commentary youtube) you and augusttheduck are my fav content creators at the moment. Ty and keep the great work up ❤
Ah, a fellow August fan.
The characterizations of the characters is sumn that has bothered me since the first game. Everyone is either super ideal n capable or too smart. I always felt Peter in these games was too nice, not in terms of being a good person or hero, but he doesn’t have the anger or melancholy that Peter often has which I think hurts the character. If u can only imagine peter being mad when he is in the black suit, u missed the plot
But Peter has moments of "anger" and melancholy in the first game
Peter was better written in the first game
@@LeonardoSilva-xm8ft true. He definitely was better overall in the first one but even then I had this feeling, just not to the extent of the second
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Your review on this game is still my favourite, so this whole other hour expanding on it was a pretty satisfying listen, even if nothing's really changed obviously.
Also yeah I fully agree with the whole "rushed" thing. Made this point during one of xsunnysunset's streams who went back through this game a month ago and tore it a new one, and we agreed that the story simply "having more time" wouldn't have saved it, because at the end of the day, Insomniac made the decisions they did.
Their take on the symbiote storyline was absolutely horrible, but they don't acknowledge fault, they just agree Act 3 was rushed, meaning they probably are of the opinion all the other stuff was great and even with all the time in the world the game's narrative would have still come out rotten to the core.
And the MJ and Aunt May stuff could have worked so well in my opinion but as you said they genuinely did nothing to set it up so those moments suck ass too and just have the player going "what are you even talking about?"
About the whole strength thing. I guess Spidey isn't necessarily "less powerful" than he was in the first, especially because in that game there were stupid moments of weakness like him getting helplessly tossed around by Silver Sable, but generally it did a better job portraying him as cool and competent I guess.
In this game Miles feels stronger, cooler, faster and more competent than Peter at every point. Even when Peter has the symbiote there's no point where you ever really get the impression he has become more powerful and can handle himself, which then also makes the whole very barely fleshed out idea of Peter feeling like "he needs the suit to keep up. It's how he can save everyone" just fail entirely.
Had Miles fought the Lizard he would have probably launched it in the air, done a triple backflip, wholeass DMC combo, and annihilated it with a Thunder Punch to make the heavens shiver.
Meanwhile Symbiote Peter still gets manhandled, is pinned to the floor and struggling to get free, breaks his arm and so on.
I just feel like they took the completely wrong steps at every turn with the black suit, even just at such basic things. Incredibly frustrating.
I found so funny how defenders of this game constantly argue that is OK how awfully underdeveloped Miles was because it was a "Peter Story" & I'm like _I'M SORRY WHAT?!_
The game's litterally Called SPIDER-MEN 2 PS5, THIS GAME was sold to you as a MILES & PETER game (literally all the trailers, posters & even the cover art sells you that they are equally important to the game & both are playable).
& NO, Miles defeating Venom does NOT count because he was barely on the game & then he comes out of nowhere in the end to punch a guy he has never met in a place he has never been 🤦🏽♂
Freaking sucks how Miles being the 2nd protagonist of the game barely got anything to do in the main story.
It wasn't implied they'd be equally important. It was a simple statement that they'd both be playable. And Miles being thrown in the back for a while (or having his revenge arc), was purposeful to show Peter pushing him away as the suit becomes "his pretty best friend in the whole wide world".
Great, A Spider-Fanboy just appear to prove I'm right, thanks @KrypticSpiderMan , what are you gonna do next? Insult MJ actress & say she is a self-insert? Say that Peter is Spidey & Miles is Miles?
You are as predictible as original 🤡
@@KrypticSpiderMan Both are on the cover next to each other. It was implied.
There was A LOT of cut content but there was a Miles and Harry mission where they go to the area where Rhino died. Miles brings up Phone, Harry explains how he feels sorry about what happen and that he lost his mom saying she was the only one to truly "understand" him. Miles agrees that Phin was the one that understood him but Harry reassures him that dnt worry he okay with getting to understand and know Miles. (Super wholesome interaction while exposing the scary side of the situation with Rhino's death)
That's why at the end Miles brings up Harry's mother about how he knows she's talking to him because they spoke on her.
Cant believe this game isnt getting dlc at the moment. Or the fact we only play Venom for one mission. Great video!
One thing I hate about kraven in this game is where he described killing off some of spideys rouges gallery like electro, vulture, shocker, scorpion and I think rhino. I dont like how he said shocker was the hardest one to kill out of all of villains he had killed. Wouldnt Electro be the hardest one to kill? Electro can literally fly, absorb electricity and can even turn into pure energy and you're telling me the hardest one for kraven to beat was shocker? I get vulture, scorpion and maybe rhino was easy to kill but saying that shocker was hard to kill is just crazy to me.
I think they were trying to say shocker was the angriest or like he just wouldn't stay down, but you're right I still don't get it
@allnamesweretaken. If they explained it differently then maybe it would work but from a comic book readers point of view it doesn't make sense
It was more of an ironic pick to say Shocker was the hardest
The thing that I think that hurts the gameplay the most, is the enemy Ai.
First thing they NEED to improve in the 3rd Game when it comes to gameplay.
Like if you do stealth in this game, they're just really stupid.
Like if a friend/colleague hangs on a web, and it's almost on eye level, they just don't try to look up to see their coworker just hanging there on a web.
And if they notice it, they don't even try to stop, and help him/her out, they directly go and move on to find Spider-Man.
And they only look up when you shoot a web next to them. 🤦
Or if you web an enemy on a wall on their level, the others will just walk past their coworker, instead of trying to get him/her out of the web and regroup.
And it really shows how laughably bad the enemy AI is when you play the MJ missions.
Like i seriously don't get why people like the stealth in these MJ missions.
The enemy Ai is so broken and way to easy to play through,
where i can just speedrun the whole thing on the hardest difficulty.
Its crazy, I played it nonstop on release and havent considered playing it again for even like a single moment. Sure it has good gameplay and some really cool setpieces, but man the dialogue and story only range from bland to dogsh*t. It's a genuine waste of the actor's performances, they deserved better writers.
36:35 THANK YOU!!!!! I was so happy to hear she was gonna return, thought wed have some real deep convos about justice and revenge and we NEVER GOT IT! I feel like they dropped the ball on one of if not the only big side mission with lasting effects. Also funnily enough, 36:48 we said the same thing word for word lol
the script in this video is infinitely better than the previous ones. keep this hybrid
We just need better Combos and more combos to diversify the gameplay a bit still the same 4 hit combos and you can’t do the 4 hit combo to webline pull back you could do in miles morales. They need to take a book from Arkham for ng+ make the enemies harder and smarter, make the spider sense alittle transparent, and give us more combos!
I like the way this was made 100% Love the pauses for the laughter, great example was when you joked about how your first opninon is perfect, that had me laughing hard. Its nice to hear more levity and idk warm ig? I like the hybrid is what I'm saying
Going to have disagree on peter nerf thing he was objectively nerfed I mean comon he can’t even dodge lighting anymore in the sandman fight he gets hit by it multiple times and there is so many more examples.
Peter not being able to lift a tiny ass brick wall off himself, him having trouble pulling a spear out of a ship ,can’t lift a train off himself ,his spider-sense never ever works, he loess to venom even with anti venom, he got one shot by kraven , he lost to miles with the venom symbiote and almost got killed by a stab wound ect.
Compare this to the first game he can effortlessly dodge lighting multiple times, he can lift a rubble 5x that brick wall , he can lift a train out the ground, he basically lifts a 300 ton crane up, he can tip over mister negative’s tank, he can take getting impaled by doc ock, he could beat up a amped mister negative with broken bones ect and I can keep going.
In the end I think it is obvious that Peter got nerfed he is performing worse or failing at task he was able to do in the previous game with not much difficulty or no difficulty at all
It could have worked if they gave it a story reason like in the Spider-Man 2 movie. Peter is losing confidence in his abilities so psychologically he makes himself weaker than he actually is. The symbiote makes him think he’s stronger but it’s just manipulating him. This game could have been fixed if they just took another year to develop it.
I hate peter and miles relationship in this game. They barely spoke to each other, their supposed to have a teacher and student type of relationship but it feels like their distant friends who see each other only sometimes. There were moments in this game where peter shouldve related to miles, like when miles wanted revenge on martin li or miles wanting to go to college. Peter had so much experience with these topics and hes not around for miles at all. Miles is still new to being spiderman and peter should be there training him, but it feels like miles doesnt need training. Some moments in the story it feels like miles is training peter which is stupid. Then peter is giving miles the role of spiderman when miles barley has any experience what so ever. This game is just mediocre, it was fun while it lasted but its not good at all.
Ive been reading the tie in book to the first game (weirdly no one exists for this one) and it actually sets up the ending of this game quite well having him set up the idea that he cant quit until fisk is taken down and then presumably in the first game until the demons are taken down and then presumably until miles is trained and then so on, however that is no excuse for this game as I shouldn't have to read a prequel book for the first game that is probably not even cannon just to have the ending work for the character even in the slightest. Good book though I'm quite enjoying it.
22:45 Orange Spider-Man is the new Green Iron Man.
I like the video style with notes, it helps more of your personality come through
I swear, wall-crawling and wall-running was basically perfected in Web of Shadows and in every other game after devs were like "so how about we throw this out"
edit: forgot to mention that I find the whole DLC thing weird. like, yeah, if Insomniac had it planned and cancelled due to a leak that sucks (i guess?) but I think it's a very bizarre mindset of people to go into a game expecting DLC. I think it's a very damaging mindset to go into a video game with the expectation of DLC because it just encourages game devs to not include all the content they created on launch and instead hide it behind another pay wall.
when you pay full price for a video game you should expect all the content to be included and we need to discourage companies from, say, announcing DLC before the game has even come out (I'm looking at you Spider-Man PS4).
I just think it’s an unfortunate situation. They should have told us immediately when they decided to cancel DLC. I know we weren’t told we’d have any but they also NEVER denied it. They always said “we have nothing to announce at this time.”They were simply working on it the whole time but at some point this year decided to cut their losses and work on other games (Wolverine) that would generate higher revenue.
Insomniac should have been up front. They set up an expectation from the first game as well as setting up DLC oriented characters in side content in the second game. There’s NO WAY that Carnage was supposed to be saved for a third game and not resolved in a big DLC event. How are we going to stop Carnage if we don’t have the Anti-Venom suit? That also means it’s permanent and will come back in the third game as a way to fight off symbiote enemies created by carnage. Is the third game just going to be Green Goblin, Carnage, Red Goblin, and Doc Ock all together? Are they going to mix in the clone saga too?
Insomniac has bit off far more than it can chew now thanks to their decision to cut DLC. Carnage will just be a sidequest in the third game I’m sure even though he’s far too powerful to just be ignored by the main story. He’s stronger and more dangerous than VENOM
@@superjlk_9538 Insomniac shouldn't have set up the expectation for DLC in the first place. Planning and announcing DLC for your 60 dollar video game before it was even released that costs an additional 25 is bad practice and just a shitty thing to do.
It’s been over a year and the game is still broken. Music still stops when I take civilians to the ambulance, Miles and Peter still say symbiotes are dropping in when it is in fact hunters, crimes still disappear when I arrive at them, and the symbiote traversal abilities still sound like the spider-arms.
I'll say for the millionth time, it plays like a dream, but this game's story is inconsequential and it is all the worse because of it, by the end of it it feels like nothing happened, all the while consistently jiggling keys for the "next one". The game is a rollercoaster, crawling from explosion to explosion, and after the event i cannot care for it or going in again
Amazing video. I watched the whole thing, I like the hybrid approach you took for this video and would love to see more like it
LOL the addict like from Web of Shadows is an optional line of dialogue with Moon Knight, I loved that ☺️
1:12:14 I personally prefer the more scripted stuff. It feels more like the points have more of a chance to be fleshed out. Wheras here they sometimes feel "too casual?"
Wait so forgive me if Im lost but kraven was able to defeat scorpio by making an antidote before the fight took place? Did they mention it anywhere in the story because I didn't pay attention to the voice recordings
It's a miss-able item you can interact with before you inspect Scorpion's armor. Peter says that Kraven has gotten a hold of this specific flower that is an antidote to Scorpion's poison. Whether or not Kraven actually used it is never directly stated, but I'm assuming he did based on how Kraven has no reaction to Scorpion's poison. And why else would they include that detail.
@DoritoGOD2811 thank you for the response and in my opinion the you made the best video explaining the critiques and popular conversations about this games flaws this game has I finished your video at a single sitting even having my dinner through it 😃 keep up your amazing detailed analytics of these story focused videogames
Another thing I hate is Mary Jane, the developers really don't know what to do with Mary Jane and her character is so annoying and boring. Why does every adaptation of her have to be a reporter and why do the developers keep putting her missions in the spiderman games. I play spiderman to play with spiderman not with shitty ass mj. You can give her a gun, a sword and I still won't care for her. It's not fair that she can get stupid ass solo missions but miles can't get decent side quests? Are you serious? In swear if we have to play as her in the next one I'm gonna lose it. There would be no point when were probably gonna be playing as silk, miles and peter so I hope there's not room for her missions at all.
*I swear
I really do think Kraven using underhanded methods and means AND wanting to die in battle COULD work, if the idea was intended as "he wants to be BEATEN, DEFEATED. he wants to devise a perfect plan to victory and watch it fail, watch his options shrink, feel HELPLESS towards his final end, to know that he did everything he could and for it to simply not be enough against this foe." Which is what I think they TRIED to set-up when you get his backstory of nearly being killed by a Lion and it forever changing him? But it's just, never really set up well enough for me to believe that this is actually HAPPENING in the story.
I picked the hardest mysterio challenge first with no upgrades, I played for over an hour to get gold 😭
the game could have been a lot better
Spider-Man 2's biggest problem is its story whereas the first game had its biggest strength in its story.
Watchtower Database and Dorito God on the same day!? I’m feasting
It’s genuinely funny how so many people were genuinely thinking this game is going to be GOTY , idk it’s just funny bc even Mario wonder would have been picked before SM2
1:09:09 Abraham Lincoln did NOT say that 😭
Actually he did, it just was not taught to us in history class
You were clearly propagandized in school
I think in the case of the Iron Spider being colored weird it's just a case of like- the actual film version being red, but then like certain marketing materials being orangey? Like I know personally my brain always recalls it looking more orangey for some reason, I don't know if like- In Homecoming when it's teased maybe it WAS? But I feel like all the toys and things have always made it orangey red and so maybe that's why Insomniac made it red? But to be fair their movie suits are pretty hit or miss in terms of faithfulness, like the Raimi one is pretty off, and I think the TASM 1 looks close enough, but does kind of for some reason look just a bit off to me maybe because it's like- too clean? And too bright.
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Can I just say miles feels more like a kid when he’s Spider-Man but when he’s miles he’s this big old teenager like in his voice his voice is more kid like when spider man and he’s more chill when non Spider-Man and he looks more smaller when Spider-Man
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Best and most recent example of wasted potential. This could’ve been game of the generation, instead I forgot about it pretty much soon as I rolled credits. Story was great until the third act, then they rushed it so bad.
Played through it again on new game+ when that was released and honestly haven’t touched it since.
The news of no dlc just put the nail in the coffin for me
Thank god youtube recommended this video because I really liked your older videos a few months back but forgot to subscribe.
IT’S BEEN A YEAR?
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Jeez, Kraven the Hunter dying of something incurable?
If only the plot had something in it that could, latch onto a host and cure them of something fatal, like, some kinda alien that augments the host.
Might have added more weight to the fight if the stakes for Kraven were "I get a warriors death, or I live on as the ultimate hunter"
Idk man, I'm not writing with playstation money
Kraven not being offered the symbiote is a gigantic missed opportunity.
Having him accept it to continue as the ultimate hunter, OR reject it as "cheating". Either would have been telling for his character, but instead we get nothing.
@@DoritoGOD2811 I doubt kraven would see that as cheating since he already uses enhancing drugs
Man, it’s almost like the same thing also is a live and has a conscience. Which is why it CHOOSES who it wants to fuse with instead of just jump in on anyone whose sick
I think the reason the story ended up the way it did is that Insomniac 1.) wanted to address complaints that the first game dragged in places and 2.) didn't want to make the player wait too long before getting to the stuff with the symbiote suit and Venom. The unfortunate end result is that the whole story feels rather undercooked. I think a lot of the game's issues could've been fixed if they had just slowed things down and gave the plot more room to breathe instead of zipping through it as fast as possible.
I couldn't agree with you more on your critique of the New Game Plus for this game. I platinum completed the first playthrough and new game plus, and the option to skip all of that bloat should have been there. It's funny, Insomniac made Rift Apart and you can skip Clank and Kit missions if you want to, but you can't do something similar in their Spider-Man games. Great video man.
My main problem with the side quests is that you unlock each thing all at once like the sandman missions and the BVA missions and it’s all the same level no matter what giving it do it all now and do it all later mentality so there’s no higher difficulty challenges as you go on or hard puzzles which sucks because in like Batman: Arkham Knight it has those puzzles that actually have to think through and harder enemies as you go on but this game doesn’t because it was either rushed or put on the back burner so much they just did it last minute
Awesome video.
Can't speak for others, but the reason I wanted DLC and was disappointed we didn't get it is because... Well I A) wanted more suits and B) wanted more story. As it stands now, the standing plot threads of Carnage, and the upcoming stuff from the final scenes of the game? I'm worried about a disconnected double story line. Plus I was hoping we'd get hints of... Well- Cindy Moon as well, I love the idea of Silk being in the universe and getting to potentially play as her in the third main game. Fixing issues? Nah, never expected that.
I got tired of having again only three different enemy groups.
The web line is really similar to the remote claw from Batman: Arkham Origins but the RC is far more balanced due to its limited ammo
I finally arrived at Burger King, and bruh, the price has ALWAYS been 2:88 for a large drink. (Including tax) now it’s 3:08???????? DAMN
God damn!!
Really wish they should’ve made some DLC like they did with the first game. Mostly because of the loose threads with Chameleon and Carnage.
While I do think Spider-Man 2 is disappointing. Majority of this won’t save the game.
1:09:06 ok, this turned my dislike into a like. Good job kid, great video
The uptown suit from miles’ game is my favorite suit for him and I HATE how they butchered it here. Why have 2 shades of gold? And why choose the ugliest gold? How hard is it to do a color swap??? F***ing ridiculous
It's the same problem as the integrated/hybrid suit, the gold is so shiny you can barely see it
I imagine it must be some raytracing problem
For me the game and its developers wasted time on things that either wasn’t cool or boring like Miles school I genuinely don’t care about the school nor the people that go there or the music museum explaining people I never heard of and like will never care about enough to learn about this is a Spider-Man game not a history lesson they should’ve scrapped all of that and the thing that would have Miles busy this game while Peter deals with his side of the story is expand on the threat Fisk gave him maybe Fisk kidnaps or hurts someone they suspect/found out to be helping Spider-Man and they killed them and that would be Miles conflict
I really like the hand-unit (specifically from Sister Location) effect you do for talking about suit-usage in New Game+
(Edit): I actually really like the toothpaste collection. I find it easier to find the likeable part of something widely hated on subjective values. Being trans, autistic, and a furry with do that for ya. This is the one time someone can say the outfits look autistic and I *_won't_* explain throughout several thesises in their comment section how them saying that definitely notes that they're very much objectively either a Nazi, SA apologist, or (definitively based on the first one) both. I mean, I still could, I just won't do it because I entirely agree, because I like them, and being an outcast from society and my family on several levels makes me automatically like the suits for being inherently relatable. Like Phonegingi in Dialtown. Only there, besides the vibes of the character, I actually wish I looked like Phonegingi, but that's a trauma-dump for another time.
Also, I think the Phone-that-directly-mirrors-Callum-Crown-head looks objectively better, but as a result of conditioning by the lore and game, I'd rather look like Typegingi, because Typewriters, to quote the opening of the game, "don't *_directly_* indicate gender". See, thing is, they do to an extent, and being able to play as whatever gender is more a game design thing, as, unlike the art curator, Phone/Typegingi doesn't have a combination head, only one or the other. Granted, Phonegingi strikes me as genderfluid, but liek, I find it more likely to believe I'd marry a gay gal in the future than Oliver. I mean, I guess if he were cis I'd find it harder to believe, and were Karen trans I'd find it easier to believe, but still.
Or, maybe sexuality has actually gone from Gynomorphism and Andromorphism to just heads, because Oliver is technically minded, and constructed his own phonehead, but seems to only be wearing a binder as far as any form of transtioning goes to my knowledge. I really refuse to believe anyone could wear any form of top-wear under flannel otherwise. Also, I guess I don't know if Oliver has had bottom surgery. Anyway, thanks to him, I understand how off-putting my monster-fucker schtichk is, and how much I come-off as a chaser, and that trans people can be chasers.
Anyway, point being, I think Pete and Harry should've made out, especially whilst in the pasty-white-toothpaste and tall-dark-symbiote suits.
(Edit): Now that the mouth has been pointed out, I absolutely adore the suit.
(Edit): I'm starting to think I'm just incapable of hating suits, but I think people hating on any specific suit in particular just makes me want to defend it more, which, like the OofTroop with ScrapTrap, makes me grow fonder of it than well liked suits. Besides Amazing Spider-Man 2 suit of course, although that's mostly because Andrew Garfield was pushing for Peter being bi, and I associate the suit with Andrew Garfield, and due to things besides how the suit looks, because of that alone it'll always hold a place in my heart.
(Edit): I think the twist was obvious. Mysterio being redeemed at face value alone matters for the theme of redemption going on throughout the game? The point that: "No, killing is kinda pwetty cwinge, UwU rawr."? Past that, I like Quentin Beck. You don't watch a Deadpool movie for the plot, and it even having a plot is very much not a right, but a very graciously bestowed gift from Marvel Jesus which we should all be grateful for. I bring up that last bit because that's how I feel about Quentin Beck's inclusion in game. Wanted to make sure you got that. Kinda, "Idioms go over my head" kinda energy, ya know? Just to clarify, I know you don't get it, which is the point of me making it.
35:05 Is he good?
Finally a new vidddd let's gooooo
Yessir good to see you back
23:36 my god 😂😂😂 This is the first time I've seen this horrible suit in cutscenes.
Dorito God, my king, returns.
so many aspects of this game had the ball dropped, my opinion has really soured of this game sadly, when i was in 2018 i couldn’t afford spiderman when it came out and id watch easter egg videos and lore break downs and i would be non stop hyped until i finally got my greasy paws on that game, and the same was for spiderman 2 when it came out. and i actually watched you play it live as my first time seeing it and it was cool but i did not go out and buy the game after. they favored a rushed spectacle instead of well developed story like the first. and i know the first games story isn’t perfect but there were so many elements that were just air tight that this game can’t even muster the breath to follow up on. i don’t think the game should’ve been longer but the development or story boarding should’ve been cause even from the start if they were allowed more than 5 minutes to think about things they’d have come up with something more cohesive and something that would’ve stuck. the only parts of this game i remember are all the moments i went “why is this happening” and then playing as venom for like 10 min. i played the trial just to see if id feel something different while playing it and everything after that intro felt so blegh. plus the no dlcs basically just kill this story cause it was very much made in mind that these loose ends would be covered in said dlc. all around this game is like a really pretty fish that’s dead in the water.
Imo, i like this recolor very much. 28:44
But i get why you don't like it, and i respect that. :)
📣Purposeless Rabbitholes mentioned🔈
New hybrid scripting format is good imo.
I feel like the symbiote surge would be better if you could still take damage
I am so glad you mentioned unskippable cutscenes. This issue alone makes NG+ insufferable on this game. And we should be able to skip conversations, and sections like riding bikes and shooting hoops with Harry. I appreciate a good story, but being forced to watch it when you just wanna have some action makes this game hard to come back to for me tbh.
27:22 come to Brazil Mr.Dorito 🇧🇷
good game bad sequel
I had to play the game 4 whole times just to get all the gild gadgets and suit pair things.
2:05 funny how when people where saying that back in 2018, they got attacked and insulted in the replies 😅
It took 2 more games to admit the flaws of the first one.
Mcu iron spider is all wrong. The colors the colors, the shape of the suit, its just off.
*Sees runtime*
Damn DoritoGod The Movie 2
I just platinumed this game and its still easily the best spider-man game I've ever played by far. The story should have been better though
I feel like Vulture and Sandman should have swapped places, Sandman as part of Sinister Six in the first game and Vulture as the running away criminal Spider-Men have to take down.
It wouldn't have been a great opener or if they did the same method of the mission, vulture doesn't really have minions that can be formed like that or even deployed like Kraven. He's just a cancer ridden old man. Wish we saw him tho
That’s lame.
@@dante_0962 How so?
@@jordanplayz5637 He did use children as henchmen in Superior Spider-Man.
While it wouldn't be as spectacular as Sandman opening but Vulture fits the theme of hunt better, getting fired would have still happened if Vulture either crashed to school or Peter got late.
I also didn't like the cancer aspect, it made feel bad for beating up an old guy with cancer.
This game is basically skip cutscene simulator for me.
Still waiting for pc drop
Guys 😔
I'm beginning to agree with the criticisms 🥺
Insomniac should watch this video.
We know they won’t 😂
My flex is that I beat Under Comstruction at 58 seconds.
41:19 While I wouldn't exactly say there was a direct correlation between the game not winning a single award and the people who actually did just change their opinion (whether that was because they actually don't like the story or for the grift like some), I don't think it's a coincidence that more people were critical when it did end up not winning any awards. Not saying you're wrong at all, but I do think a select group of people did decide to join a hate bandwagon as soon as it didn't win anything, but that's not to say that EVERYONE joined after that.
One year later and I think this game was a let down and overhyped. It’s fun on the first playthrough, but on the 2nd or 3rd, not so much.
Bro I Have 188 hrs on Spider-Man 2 and I have Have a Platinum And only Have gone through the Story 2 times 😂
1:37 I think you got hit due to the truck you were next to was involved in an animation so it collided with you since it was about to do its scripted path. That's my only idea as to why you got sent flying. Also love the vids cant wait to finish this one!
22:46 Yeah, I’ve heard you do that before plenty of times. No need to remind me.😂
Khalil 1 Year Later
I don’t know what’s up with these costumes. Only the comicbook artists should do the suits i think because my god. 99% of the suits made by insomniac is unusable trash
I need a venom game
(FYI Don’t get butthurt over a random nobodies opinion of a game)
IMO the year really showed me that this game is kind of forgettable.
I still remember the entire story, side quests, upgrades, and skins from the original game but I just can’t with this one apart from the gliding mechanic which was cool but it’s definitely not a incredible sequel like say, Arkham city.
The lack of gadgets made the combat so boring, repetitive, and generic for me.
Been waiting on you to make another rant and complaining video this shit is comedy 😂
I think that Spiderman 2 is a good game with lots of flaws but its still a fun game and i think a game being fun is the most important thing a game can be. The story is crap though
While I agree that the Black Suit story arc in this game isn’t a good metaphor for addiction. I would say it’s a better metaphor for toxic male masculinity. This game essentially explores the worst possible interpretation of the phrase ‘With great power, comes great responsibility.’ And instead puts forth the idea that ‘If you have great power, you have a responsibility to take care of yourself in order for your great power to be the best it can be for others.’ Peter operates under the logic that as long as he’s being Spider-Man in some capacity. He’s justifying May’s death. Even if it means being an objectively worse Spider-Man to the people around him. And the Black Suit amplifies this. It feeds into the emotions that Peter holds in because he thinks that’s what’ll make him a great hero. And the suit becomes the tipping point to where Pete lets all his rage out about being Spider-Man. And he can justify it later by saying it’s the alien. The suit definitely has its own goals & motivations. But it largely lets Peter commit his own actions so that it can at least feel like Peter isn’t being dragged around by it. I don’t think the suit really cares if Peter’s doesn’t want to lose Harry. But it lets Peter have that time to be the active player so that Pete doesn’t feel like he’s being manipulated. It creates the worst of both habits for him. It lets him get out his emotions, but not in a healthy way because Pete’s saying all this stuff as Spider-Man to his villains instead of the people he loves. But Peter still tries to suppress those emotions because he thinks being Spider-Man as much as possible is what’s going to justify May’s death. That’s why I don’t mind him getting over his job. Because honestly, Peter never seemed like he wanted a job. Because it would mean he can’t be Spider-Man 24/7, which means May’s death was for nothing. The Black Suit is essentially a metaphor or people who try to push their bodies to the limit because they think doing anything else with a support system is somehow less mature for them. One of Peter’s final lines with the suit on is ‘I’m the hero. I don’t get saved.’ Which is probably the most clearcut example of Peter trying to justify being Spider-Man as much as possible with no sign of taking a break. Because according to people who think this way, taking a break means you’re being lazy.
Amazing analysis! I wish we saw Peter actually have this flaw before getting the Black Suit, but we really don’t.
Wow, I never actually thought of it like that. Definitely an interesting way of looking at it.🤔
@@sunsetvibe1063 It's a pretty interesting point of view.
It may not be a masterpiece like the 2018 title but we can all agree that it is better than Gotham Knights, which puts Marvel 1 to 0 vs DC on this console generation.
One last is the god awful suits, there are billions of spiderman suits from the comics and they choose the ones no one has heard of or they get trash artists to design the suits. How come miles gets all of his suits from his game but peter cant? I get its hard for them to design suits but come on man. They took the time for miles and should be able to do the same with peter. Theres so many suits from the first game that shouldve returned in this game.
Honestly I pretty much had the exact same opinion about the game. Especially the story being bad throughout.