Beehive Pallet Dimensions and Transportation Explained
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2021
- Meant for beekeepers thinking of transitioning to pallets and moving bees in number, this video shares tips and ideas on pallet design, tie down methods and more.
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Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences. It will definitely help us as we expand our operation.
I learn so much from you. Thank you, Mr. Binnnie for all you give us less experienced beekeepers.
Very good video, Bob, I ve just finished to translate your lection about Effects of processing on honey. You have enormous experience and a talent to explain things in a manner easy to understand. Thank you for your educational work, keep it going!
I love hearing the logic behind how equipment is built. I've gone through the same process with my equipment and am glad I took the time to make it just right for my needs. Thanks for sharing this, Bob!
Bob,
Thanks for taking the time to be on Joe May's Bee Chat this evening. I really enjoy your perspective and the little things you share.
Thank you. That's the first interview like that I've ever done. It was fun.
Another great video. Thanks for sharing your failures like lid flying off. I always remember those lessons most. I like when you add from your past.
You the man Bob!
Very good video, the coverage and explanations are great. Thank you.
Thanks Bob. Appreciate the information and well put together videos.
Always good information! Thank you, Bob!
Thanks Bob, for sharing this with us!
I like pallets to put my cinder blocks on. Keeps them high and out of the weeds. Plus we have a lot of skunks who harass our hives to eat the bees. This only makes the bees more defensive. It's also easier on the back being a bit higher.
But I get your point about the pallets. I got my bunch when my mentor retired from pollination.
Once again a very helpful informative and frank video. I have to say you’ve made my first year so much easier and VERY successful. 2 nucs and no I have 14 dbl deeps. April 2021 will be a full year!
Thank you for sharing! A lot of good tips in here.
Really likes how you showed the dimensions. I just looked at pictures of pallets when I made mine. I have made a few tweaks from the first ones I made but I after looking at a lot more I will be making them more like yours
Thanks for your very detailed explanations on this and several other subject. If you're ever looking for a subject to cover I know I would be very interested in learning more on how you go about estimating how much to cut back or add to colonies to correctly nail a a peak bee population just past the spring honey flow.
This was an awesome video. Thanks for making it.
Great video lots of good, much needed info.
Thanks for sharing. Aloha from Hawaii, where honeybees could just go to the beach and watch the Drones 'goofy footing the Monster waves of winter, but don't. They never got the message that winter doesn't hit below 8,000 feet here.
Bob, I just feel it's appropriate to say that I think you're a good man, honest and generous with your knowledge and experience...that's a gift to all of us and I'd like to thank you.
I have a question: on average, how much is charged per pollination hive and how many are required per acre of trees?
Hi Mark. Depending on the crop being grown it's generally 1 to 2 hives per acre with a few things needing more. The price can be highly variable depending whats being grown ranging from $75 to $200.
@@bobbinnie9872 thanks again.
Love the headache rack!!👍💪
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge from your experiences and mistake..
I had a hunch this was on its way. *Thanks again*
Great video.
A wealth of information for the book
Thanks for sharing your mistakes. They are good warnings.
Great information thank you
Very good info.
My youngest joked, how many pallets can the no treatment crowd stack on the back of a Toyota Prius?
Your 5/8th inch hole findings were also very interesting. Thank you sir.
Thanks for your knowledge and help 🍺🍺
Were highly migratory. We use "u" clips so that front to back strapping cant cause the shifting bunching.
And funny, we use that 1/2 step from the landing board to the runner specifically to lean our boxes on so we can swap frames if necessary and didn't even consider air flow.
Thank you Bob
Thank you for all these very insightful video! I'm sure you're helping lot of beekeepers better understand the business of beekeeping.
QUESTION: What bee frame width do you use? 35 mm or 37 mm? Why?
I think this is a very important step considering the bee health and performance, as well as bee hive dimensions and costs related to it. I hope you find time to answer my questions. 🙏
The standard end bar width in the US, which is what we use, is 1-3/8 inch wide. This is very close to 35mm. Although some beekeepers here use more space between the frames I prefer the standard dimension because of the more efficient use of space in the brood nest. In our extracting supers the frames are spaced wider apart for ease of uncapping.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thank you! 👍 I'm a big fan of your channel!
Good video. Looking to transport my bees from your yard back to my house in VA this spring.
Craig Fr. VA
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Thanks for sharing this valuable info Bob 👍
Thanks Sir !!!!
Thank You
Thanks bob for all you do for beekeeping with your Chanel. Can you share who you use to build your truck beds. I like your setup and am looking for a custom bed for a f450, I’m in central Alabama. Thanks
Hi Clint. I built the three steel ones and had the one aluminum bed built by T & G Sales in Princeton, West Virginia.
Great video Bob, will use it here in Serbia!
I was wondering, is there a scientific work about bees' preferred food? You talk about it a lot, I've seen it all and I'm interested in understanding this even better.
Hi Bob, thanks for the video. I’m getting ready to make some pallets like this following your advice. I was just wondering about the 5/8” drain holes in the back corners. Do you put wire mesh under those holes or anything to keep mice out or is mice not really a problem with those?
Mice don't seem to get through 5/8. No screen.
Hi Bob - how do you go about storing your empty supers after you extract to keep moths out? Just curious if there are some tips on that. Great video and always informative. Stay safe! :)
We rent space at a local food bank cooler. We store a lot of stuff there.
How well do the aluminum truck beds hold up? I was told to stay way from them because they tend to crack. I'm still tempted to getting one. Thanks for your information.
So far so good. I believe the biggest mistake made with aluminum beds is people try to make them TOO light and don't use large enough stock. Per my request this one was built with thicker stock than would have normally been used and is doing fine so far. And yes, we do load it to the max.
Bob good morning! When do you start adding suppers here in GA? Thanks for your help!
The state of Georgia is diverse and seasons start at much different times depending on location. Even in our area some of our locations can vary as much as three weeks. On the very upper reaches of the piedmont area which is slightly south of our home base the main nectar flow begins in the second or third week in April and I would put supers on a week or two before then if the colony is strong.
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Your camera quality is great.
I'm having fun learning how to use it.
Great video Bob.
Do you build the truck beds yourself or have them custom built?
Of the four trucks we currently have I built three of the beds. They all have basically the same design and the one in this video is the only one I didn't personally build.
@@bobbinnie9872 next time you build a bed we’ll need a video of that. 😁
Thank you for answering my last question I know you have more than you can handle. I was looking at trying to build some pallets and lids with HDO. The stuff I found is film faced and extremely slick. And I feel like anything on it would slide right off and not stack. Is your HDO like that or different and do you do pallets with a different material?
Our HDO is slick and when new it will slide on other pieces of HDO easily. With a little time it loses that slickness. Don't bother painting it at first, it won't stick very well.
Is wisdom experience and learning from mistakes? Thanks Bob. Everything you do seems to come from learning how to do it better.
Thanks. Learning from mistakes sounds about right.
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I didn't see this mentioned and apologize if I missed it, but based on the 3/4" plywood base, it looks like the "bee space sticks" are either 3/8" or 1/2". Just curious what you used for those. I think commercially sold bottom boards make them about 3/4". I make mine 1/2" but am interested to hear what you use and if there is a reason. Thanks again!
Hi Blain. I should have mentioned that in the video. I use 3/8 on all bottom boards, whether pallets or not. We have a mouse problem some years in the fall or winter with small colonies and a mouse generally won't get through a 3/8 entrance. We also experience less burr comb or "ladder comb" on the bottom bars in the lower box and in winter it gives you less draft. In north Georgia we don't experience temps over 100f and if we need extra ventilation we crack a box or lid. I've never cared much for 3/4 entrances but I know many beekeepers prefer them.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thank you sir!
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Ha Bob great to see u this was a good video with your 2500 hives what is your lose for the win ter, I have 27 hives and have lost 4 so far no ,matter what I do for them I still lose some and that bothers me a lot, keep the videos coming they are great you do a wonderful job with them God bless and have a wonderful week 1 more question if i may at what btemps do u go into your hive for inspections thanks and have a wonderful day
Hi Frances. Don't feel bad. Anyone who says they never lose any colonies is probably stretching the truth a bit.
@@bobbinnie9872 Bob thanks for always trying to answer my questions.. The bees I lost were the sas a krat the keys stick on this computer so please over look the spelling or missed letters I called the distributor to cancel my order for more of them, and they told me it was because of my treatment bob they told me i have to treat every other month on these bees dribble mite away vapor and if i use the vapor to do it every 5 days bob 2 questions I watch u and do what u do, have u heard of this, to do what he says dribble to many times will kill them and every other month even doing the winter and bob the bees they are bread to be mite resistant he said the sas a tras bees are the best on the market and that he has been a bee keeper for 40 years he came down hard
will you give me your thoughts on this and thanks.. The bees did great they were strong going into the winter I was very pleases and I was very surprised they came out dead. when u treated I treated and I got the same apivar and I used mite away quick strips they were spring and apivar and then mite away again in the fall I did not vap them in Dec because I did not have a vape now I do I got it this passed week kamon showed one for 275 and I ordered 1 from that company thanks for the time u spend answering questions and doing your wonderful videos u are great. if u find some one on the carcasion bees that ship please let me know and Thanks Have a blessed week
How do you keep the two pallets from sliding together when you strap from side to side. If you leave a couple inch gap down the middle of the truck bed, will the pallets not slide together when clinching down?
They won't when utilizing the board on top that is the right length. If you watch a you can catch my explanation.
Keep the videos coming Mr.Bob and when will you be shipping woodware?
We've been thinking about shipping bee supplies but we're not quite there yet.
@@bobbinnie9872 If you want a test case for shipping, I’d buy bottom boards and double screen boards from your shop anytime they’re available.
I see some hives with a 1x2 as handles but some handles are recessed. In your experience which is better and why?
Although forty years ago I put 1x2 handles on everything because I thought it would help with gripping these days I only put them on Nuc boxes. Boxes with recessed handholds stack much better and rot less.
What's the best way to stack/transport a bunch of nucs in Jester boxes?
We stack them in rows with six inches in between the rows for good air flow. We can go three high but always use a piece of angled metal stock on the edges so the tie down strap won't crush them. In warm weather we have put pallets in between the layers to allow more air flow.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks.
I am making a bunch of pallets.
The 3/8 rim on yours is made of solid wood. I have a source to get 3/8 treated plywood.
All my plywood will also be wax dipped. Do you think this would be a issue of ply vs solid???
I know that you have to pry off boxes some times????
If the plywood is dipped in wax it would probably be OK. Of course it also depends on the quality of plywood. If it's a low grade of plywood I would think solid would be better.
Do you get any mice in the hive through the 5/8 hole in the bottom of the pallet?
Not that I have noticed. They would definitely go through a slot that size but a round hole seems to work.
Another thing Bob! Do you stack your pallets one over the other for migration? It so, are you able to handle these 4by4 pallets manually or you miss a fork or boom lift for doing the same ? Kindly clarify! Thanks.
They stack well if the the bottom boards that touch the ground are positioned correctly when built. If not they are terrible to stack. We handle them both ways.
I'm sorry if you mentioned it in the video and I missed it, but how tall do you make your opening? In the video it looks like 3/8" but I know the standard is 3/4". Do you think it matters either way? Thank you.
It is 3/8 inch. We prefer them because mice can't get in (a problem in our area) and there is much less burr comb (ladder comb) on the frame bottom bars in the bottom box. If ventilation becomes a problem in hot weather we crack lids for more air circulation.
Are you making your own lids? i bought a load off a guy a few years back and had those exact lids! They still are STURDY and beat mann and Dadant's lids! Yeah, pallets for us are from Used Pallet Co. Some runs, bad others good. 33.5x 47" What we really need next is pallet stands that we can stack on the back of semi trailers or a separate hauler. I've kept bees in some areas where flooding is a pain to deal with. heh.
Hi Rick. We do make our own lids. You could probably sell those pallet stands.
Hey Bob! love your videos- thanks! quick question...ya hear a lot of folks using less than 1 to 1 sugar water to get bees to draw comb...do you see truth in going like 1/2 sugar to 1 water?? i know that lighter than 1 to 1 but sure would cut sugar cost if effective...thanks!!
We routinely use 1.5 to 1.25 parts water to 1 part sugar for drawing comb and stimulating brood production. I've read studies that say 1.3 to 1 is optimum. 2 parts water to 1 part sugar would work but it won't save any money.
@@bobbinnie9872 thanks BOB....so if im wanting 4 gallons of liquid in a 5 gallon bucket how much sugar and how much water?? sorry math is not my subject. ;)
@@natserog Light sugar water weighs a little over 10 pounds so 1 to 1 would have 5 pounds of sugar, lighter maybe 4 to 4.5 pounds.
Hello Bob thx sharing your experience. Need info: about minute 16:03 you spoke about 6 way pallet. I can't find info about this kind: one way, 4 way bun don't understand the 6 one. Have a good day
See time 26:46 on our video "4 Decades of Commercial Beekeeping". ua-cam.com/video/dBkNts-FWVg/v-deo.html
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What are the rules for truckers hauling bees? Things like stopping at scaled and taking their breaks. Are the exempt from these?
Bee trucks have to be weighed but are exempt from keeping a log book when hauling bees. Many policemen don't know this.
You still have to run a log book. But you are ag exempt giving you a few different rules.
@@Sbowling1979 can you enlighten us and these exemptions
Bob, would it work okay if I put a layer of empty bee pallets on top of the lids instead of your flat plywood boards? And run the straps right down the middle of the metal pallet clips?
Yes, I've done that a bunch of times.
@@bobbinnie9872 thanks Bob. The pallets worked out great on top. Ran 2 straps down the middle as well
hello, i have heavy Nosema in my hives, i have 70 hives in north Indiana, what your recommendation in treating them? thanks in advance
I have to be honest and say I have not had problems with nosema and have very little experience trying to correct it once it has set in. I know that poor quality stores aggravate it and talk about that in "Feeding Bees Part 1". If you feel like this is the problem clean sucrose syrup with a little "Honey B Healthy" or better yet "Pro Health" from Mann Lake may help if they will take it. I know you're bees have some time before spring, let's hope you get some flying weather soon. That's what they need the most. Good Luck.
Where do you get nets for moving bees?
Most tarp manufacturers can make them. Ours were custom made by a tarp maker in South Dakota but I don't remember their name. If you google bee nets you'll get a few choices. You can also see adds for net makers in the American Bee Journal at times.
Bob. Will the HDO rot in a southern climate? I’m making a bunch of pallets with used Simons form board. Do you think I should worry or is it as tough as they say?
I'm not familiar with Simons form board but the HDO we get from Mid South Lumber does not seem to rot. I've had some HDO in the past that had a dark finish that delaminated badly when exposed to the elements. I don't know what brand it was. Some is made with poplar which is a poor quality.
Form board is stripped from concrete steel forms. It has holes in it where they ripped the screws through it.
You mention that the bottom boards are made from recycled form board. Any issues with chemicals? Just wondering if there is any type of form release chemicals on the boards. Or do you ask for stuff that hasn’t had a release agent used on it.
Thanks
I've never noticed any residue on the boards we purchase. It may be that they sit around in the weather while accumulating until we get them. I'm honestly not sure why they seem free of anything when we pick them up.
I wish I knew the exact name of that plywood. I've used some myself it seems to be covered with a thin coat of Sherlock or exterior grade clear finish of some sort. I've looked it up online and new it cost over around $80 a sheet this was before pandemic started affecting the prices. That being said the oily residue is mostly washed off by time you get this plywood. You will see this in many videos people are using it for hive bottom boards top boards and pallets. I'm sure that people are not having problems with it.
Bob, not sure if you're still answer questions on this video or not. I'm having a hard time finding U or W clips. What are they called at a hardware store or what is their original purpose?
Check this link at Dadant. www.dadant.com/catalog/m01392-pallet-clip-w-style
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks. The closest I could find at the hardware store was different variations of Strong Ties.
Was the decision to use 1x6 instead of 2x6 simply to keep stacking height at a minimum?
Although 2 x 6 would definitely be better the answer is yes, along with less weight, less cost and easier assembly.
Hey Bob! Can you tell me the dimensions (height width and length) of the W-clamps that you are using? Also, can i use iron rather than steel for manufacturing them, i can paint them to protect from rust?
The inside measurement is 2-3/16 inch (inside) with the center arch being 9/16w x 1/2 high. The height is 2-5/16 (not crucial) and the length is 2 (not crucial). In the past, when I used 6 way pallets, I made my own "U" clips out of 1/8 inch steel strap and they worked fine.
@@bobbinnie9872 thanks 🙏
I noticed you don’t use 1 tons. I bought a 1 ton dully with a 12’ bed. I’m guessing it will be easy to overload.
No matter what size truck we have we still seem to overload it from time to time. One tons are more economical to repair and upkeep (tires, brakes, etc)is cheaper than the trucks we have now.
I have a staple gun for assembling boxes would this be adequate for assembling pallets?
My experience is that staples don't keep things together as well as screws or ring shank nails.
Ha bob hope u are doing well I would like to add some Caucasian bree of bee to my apairy do u know any people there that ships queens and packages that u trust thanks and have a blessed week
Hi Frances. I am sorry to report that I do not.
*Nothing ventured nothing gained* 👍
Is the Truck in the end going to almonds this year?
No, that truck was from summer before last. I put that clip in for the visual.
At the end of the video you said you send them to South Dakota this time of year😅😅😅 Bob I know better it was an older video I'm just picking on you.
Enjoy the video
No problem, I threw that in there for the visual education.