And knowledge and awareness, so many times I got dived or died but left the enemy near me with low health but my teammates have no awareness to hear or see my pings the enemy behind my teammates after I die and then it's "sUPpOrT DiFF"
@@hillwoop9101 depends, when we're talking skill are we only talking mechanical aim skill or also positioning and cooldown management, because I'd believe if they have a latter a sigma reaper can definitely counter winston and tracer if it's a skill issue
It can work out sometimes with two snipers. I remember dps player picked an widow while i went Ana. we perched up in good sniping spots while she got enemy players down or out. I follow up the shots to make sure kill confirmed or heal the rest of the team while they went in to brawl basically. good thing was if widow got low or someone snuck up on us. i could handle that with either a sleep dark or some heals.
Mine is a combo of Lucio, mercy, zen or brig where I get 0 burst heals so cant actually engage almost at all on the tanks I like to play In hindsight I should have specified rein because once a combination of those 2 walk out of spawn the "Correct play style" because be a wall, beep boop farm ult with fire strike beep boop and only actually works if the enemy team is already being diffed in some other level as it removes my own ability to have an impact on games, other than by swapping
@@FloptropicanPresident I mean specifically once I've already walked out of spawn as like reindhart, because it if that happens if I do try to do something like exchange some swings I almost immediately fall over if not just die from any person behind me, because once those 2 are picked the correct play style as a rein becomes be shield, farm ult which is the lest impactful and most boring play style possible as rein. On a different hero sure I could make brig zen work, I've actually won games with Mercy zen as zarya, but specifically on rein it means I pretty much have to swap or be extremely bored or give up any chance or being able to out play the enemy team, often meaning I have to swap. The support combos aren't necessarily bad , like in season 9 where Lucio zen saw pro play, but they can often create really boring play styles that remove me of any actual ability to do anything.
@@loqaxz5654 in the current patch that’s probably not the worst thing in the world 😂 me and my friend have been locking the Ana Brig (him on brig) and it seems to be fairing well in diamond
@@BrandonCollier-rm5ou I mean I am a 1 trick and I figured out how to counter basically everything in some way, shape, or form. Some characters are extremely annoying but possible if you know how to handle them.
From my experience in high master and gm lobbies comps tend to be less of the 3 main archetypes and more countering tank or the most impactful member of their team. For instance if we walk out on doom instead of going full dive hero’s (lucio, Moria, tracer, echo, venture,etc) we play Ana to counter hog (dooms biggest counter) then we might add a cas to counter any ventures, tracers or any other dive hero’s that would kill Ana. The remaining players would play something to support the doom in his dives but I rarely see full dive or full brawl or full poke.
yeah seems this way in my like mid-low masters too. Ive never really worried about comp and i rarely hear anyone even talk about it outside of some leaving comment of complaining the tank or a certain player wasnt playing the comp, which is always poke mentioned because im guessing brawl and dive are probably confusing to people. Only thing people seem to know is some support comps, mercy lucio is no no and brig ana is good and to counter tank/support tank or dps. We got a hog then people want a kiri, genji we want an ana, phara and we want a mercy, they have a hog then ana, they have winston we want a brig ect ect.
ok but like, ana brig is typical dive supports, so ana is a dive support, also lucio and moira are both brawl supports, not dive supports. Also, orisa is dooms biggest counter (in terms of tanks) not hog, definitely not hog.
I feel like the disregarding of things like comps in the first place is why so many people get stuck in the first 3 ranks with varying levels of mechanical skill.
@@itsjustdewiemanthats not true. any T500 one trick would steam roll through metal ranks on any hero. Cover usage, ult usage, not staggering, etc are way more important for low rank players. Hero pick doesnt matter unless you’re T500
@sxrk- not true when im playing tracer into ashe/rein. How can rein survive when ashe is shooting from range and im the only dps in the front? But then I swap to echo and then we start getting value. The only alternative is to lock in and start popping off
That reaper example was actually awful! The reaper on a poke comp whilst not ideal for sure isn't throwing or "anti synergy". Reaper forces the opponents to save defensive cooldowns to not be destroyed in close range, meaning that the poke team has more angles to play with, or less cooldowns to deal with since they're saving them. We can't just. Think. About the game as walking in a straight line.
Would really like to see a video(s) about map strategy (where to hold as a team on defense when spawn doors open on each map, etc.) Thanks for this vid you da man!
Two absolute facts I've come to understand in Overwatch. 1> When a team turns on itself by arguing about who should swap to what, their odds of winning rapidly sink to zero. The demands and arguing are the biggest indication of a losing team. 2> NO ONE knows how good/bad another player is at another character. If I'm skilled at Brig, but terrible at Mercy, asking for a Mercy is not going to help the team comp. Only the player knows if it'd help the team or not...then see point #1. If the team is good enough for composition to matter more than skill, then the players are smart enough to select optimal picks. If you have to complain about comp and blame someone's pick then you're already proven to not be skilled enough to even share that opinion. Nothing is worse than some silver match where someone just will not shut up about someone else's pick. This is why I play Mystery heroes more than anything else. The entire comp issue is just rage bait for the game.
This is helpful for learning how to think about the big picture, thanks! Would love to see a video about which composition each hero fits. It's probably obvious to seasoned players but as a newbie it would be helpful!
@@ragingrhino489 she can give them temp health and speed for a bit to engage and her knife is good for giving them easy dive opportunities. They can also capitalize on her ult if she hits a lot of ppl
I’d say mei and bastion is a crazy good combo, wait till turret form is ready, then walk of a pick or 2, I do it with my bastion main buddy and it works hella easy
So, I generally try to synergize with my team by taking up the slack where we have it. As Support, I will either Triage my team if my other Support isn't healing, or go for a utility that is able to give us breathing room (such as Nade or Suzu). On DPS, I go the role opposite my partner: if my partner can go in with the tank on the front line, I will start with Widow. If my partner goes Ashe or Cass, I will back up my tank with Pharah, Rat or Bastion. If my support is getting lit up like the 4th of July, I am going Mei or Reaper to pull the attackers off them (don't touch my doctors). With Tank, I generally try to hold a space and keep the enemy Tank busy while my DPS works on taking more space for me to control. I don't play Tank often though because it is not hard to Tank Diff Me, and I am tired of getting shit on for letting the team down. I don't plan on getting higher than Gold though. Most of my playtime is in QuickPlay so take my words with a grain of salt.
One heal duo I think works surprisingly well despite seeming anti synergistic is Lucio/LW. Sure one wants to play passive while Lucio enables aggression but I see it similarily to Widow/Dive. By Lucio and the team being aggressive you keep pressure off LW. Plus if your tank is too far in because of the Lucio aggression and can't get out, then LW is the perfect get out of jail free card. Plus both go great with Ball and Doom. LW has the high easy to land heals to track these mobile tanks without missing and Lucio and allows these tanks to be more aggressive. Also LW is pretty self sustained due to cooldowns but can still sometimes need peel due to lacking damage for duels. Meaning Lucio is also yet again an amazing choice to help add peeling for LW allowing him to maintain heals. Plus with LW pretty strong heal output, Lucio gets to stay on speed more often
Junk and Widow is a weirdly good pairing, I’ve realized? the inevitable sombra switch gets caught in his traps and has bombs thrown in her face, Tracer’s too. and Widow can pretty easily deal with pharah for him
First few minutes of the video, putting brig in brawl and saying sig is exclusively poke when we have seen multiple instances of sigma being utilized in brawl comps just in Overwatch 2, that's just some crazy work.
Just subbed. Thought I was this whole time lol I love your vids. Could you make a video one day focusing on positioning across the roles? Especially dynamic positioning and how to keep it in mind as fights often evolve from choke -> open space -> choke. I just always find myself getting obliterated thinking I was doing the right thing until I realize I was walking through open space desperately looking for cover.
As a widow main, people say ALL the time that I'm throwing cause I have low damage despite being the person that typically starts a team fight with a kill
I hate choosing my character first everybody sits at the screen and then when it's time to leave and they finaly pick their character like they say "can you swap". The team will never switch for how the supps want to play.
For real? I've seen so many games where the tanks and all dps be swapping but the supports never swap. They stay on the same Mercy, Lucio, Moria the whole game.
@@tyrenace6597 I'm down in plat trying to hit diamond. I always pick lucy or zen to start becuse they are my picks. But down here they dont like (or dont know how to) playing with them because low heals. then they say go Ana/Kiri and get mad that I'm not good. I just stay my characters now and do my best but will change if I feel like I should, not because Timmy Tryhard doesn't know what cover is and keeps dying in the open.
@@TheHardstyleFoxcrazy that any Plat would think that. You figure by then they would already realize not only what cover is but that you don't even need that many heals to do good. I've had matches where the enemy team has double our heals [around 7-8k] and we still dominate. Also hard to believe anyone would think Lucio or zen is a bad option when discord and speed boost are such strong abilities
@@beanjuice6012why tho? it would be near impossible to list everything visually, especially since he also talked about how it might depend on the enemy team's heroes too. if it was just the plain visual examples you wouldn't be able to know *why* they're good or bad. since he explained everything, now we know how to *spot* a good or bad comp rather than...memorising it?
As a low ranked ana who can't hit sleep darts, I've realized i shouldn't expect my team to turn around and defend me. moira and kiriko was meant for low ranked play.
I one tricked moria to diamond so i can start using healers i want lol i feel you. once you get out of low plat your team usually does a better job of protecting ana and zen
Thank you a lot i just started 1 month ago and I'm better than a lot of players who have been playing longer thanks to your video tips the hero synergy really helps a lot Great content as well Also do you think venture fits into every comp cause i use her a lot and I'm really good at her
It's usually just stubborn players who don't adapt to their teammates or other teams squad and just play the same character the whole game as you get bent over. Honestly drives me crazy not sure why you play the same character and get beat up all game and never think to switch. Even when I'm trying a new character if I'm sucking I'll change after 1-2 minutes of game play so we can still get a W.
On my main account at best im around low to mid plat on all roles. I made a smurf just to have some fun and played in bronze lobbies. All I can say is my god...comps arent even the baseline issue. Positioning, awarenesss, and basic technical skills like aim were all huge issues As of the moment, im chilling in gold lobbies and I gotta say that once again comps isnt an issue rather basic strategic plays. And whats worse is the toxicity from these players that again, are at best high silver to low gold. Now im not saying im an expert in any sense. But when I hear the complaints people in gold lobbies dish out, it makes me realize why these people are stuck in the ranks they are
I'm plat as well and made an alt to learn heros I'm bad with. It's wild how toxic low ranks can get, and have no idea how much they're actively hurting their team and are just flaming each other lol.
Yea comp set up n coordinate and teamwork has gone out the windows since the change of OW1 to Ow2, since they removed the find a group option comp has turned more into Quickplay Plus
I’m not gonna lie, the consideration you gave widow could be applied to literally every character, you just have to change up your playstyle and you can flourish, reaper can work in a poke comp if he goes on flanks and looks for picks and wraiths out, zens discord is still a powerful tool in brawl
Most of this is pretty good advice and or information about comps and synergy, the statement classifying sigma as strictly poke is misleading, he is generally like but he has good brawl capabilities though he may not take ones well against generally brawl tanks, he can be ran with other brawl heroes. Even into other brawl comps, especially junker queen comps. Though appealing him as a strictly poke tank to learning players or new players might be a good idea so they don’t run sigma into a full brawl comp and blame their team cause they saw a single video saying he is viable in the correct context of brawl
This is what I’m talking about, idk how overwatch was ever successful when it was built around a comp mindset, a game made like that is always going to fail
Honestly it’s time to talk about Mercy Lucio and how it isn’t a bad healer comp. This misconception has been happening for years because they want to make Mercy an off healer. You want damage boosts yes, if you need damage boost after 1 enemy kill your team didn’t deserve to win in the first place. If your teammates can’t survive for the amount of time a pocketed DPS to get a kill, then it truly is a skill issue. Much in the same vain, Lucio’s speed boost is nice if you’re his teammate, but the survivability of the heal aura is enough to sustain for a kill until Mercy switches back to heals. His speed boost can be used to help you, but he could use it exclusively for himself and get just as much value.
This is really good information. However I find none of this matters before diamond. If you are plat or lower it simply means you are not good. Improving your skills will be MUCH more useful than learning all this. I am really confident when saying this because I am a diamond Moira one trick and I literally know nothing but “grinding stats” to get to diamond. And even in diamond you will come across some literal DOG SHXT players that are also diamond. They just keep dying, low stats, however hard you tried to help them. Thus I can only imagine plat being even worse…
Synergies are mostly meaningless if the people playing those heroes aren't very good at those specific heroes. Most players don't pump 10k hours to play the entire roster. Most people have a significant number of hours on one or two heroes per role and are better served trying to play those heroes as best as possible rather than forcing all these synergies.
Lowkey i wanna have someonebdo an experiment if they do bring 6v6 back i wanna see a 222 stack of like example 2 poke tanks 2 dive dps and 2 brawl supports just to see how chaotic that synergy is
I’m sorry, but I’m clicking off after hearing “Mauga can play in both brawl and poke” Mauga has never once been played in pro play as a poke tank, everything is based off his engagement with cardiac which strongly favors close quarters
I still lose regardless of the comp, is more of a skill issue 💀
Keep playing and enjoy the Game eventually it won't be a skill issue it will be a knowledge issue.
What do you think would win more? a Sigma player with a Reaper player with good skill or a Winston player with a Tracer player with okay skill?
And knowledge and awareness, so many times I got dived or died but left the enemy near me with low health but my teammates have no awareness to hear or see my pings the enemy behind my teammates after I die and then it's "sUPpOrT DiFF"
@@hillwoop9101 depends, when we're talking skill are we only talking mechanical aim skill or also positioning and cooldown management, because I'd believe if they have a latter a sigma reaper can definitely counter winston and tracer if it's a skill issue
That attitude tells me you're either bronze 5 or a pretty decent rank.
As mid silver Healer, my fav comp is 2 snipers who can't aim to save it's life AND then blame it on the heals, that's my jam!
It can work out sometimes with two snipers. I remember dps player picked an widow while i went Ana. we perched up in good sniping spots while she got enemy players down or out. I follow up the shots to make sure kill confirmed or heal the rest of the team while they went in to brawl basically. good thing was if widow got low or someone snuck up on us. i could handle that with either a sleep dark or some heals.
“ItS bEcAuSe YoU’rE pLaYiNg LuCiO oN dEfEnSe”
Mine is a combo of Lucio, mercy, zen or brig where I get 0 burst heals so cant actually engage almost at all on the tanks I like to play
In hindsight I should have specified rein because once a combination of those 2 walk out of spawn the "Correct play style" because be a wall, beep boop farm ult with fire strike beep boop and only actually works if the enemy team is already being diffed in some other level as it removes my own ability to have an impact on games, other than by swapping
@@user-rg9co7dk2r when zen brig are good you get a bunch of utility. Sounds like a skill issue.
@@FloptropicanPresident I mean specifically once I've already walked out of spawn as like reindhart, because it if that happens if I do try to do something like exchange some swings I almost immediately fall over if not just die from any person behind me, because once those 2 are picked the correct play style as a rein becomes be shield, farm ult which is the lest impactful and most boring play style possible as rein.
On a different hero sure I could make brig zen work, I've actually won games with Mercy zen as zarya, but specifically on rein it means I pretty much have to swap or be extremely bored or give up any chance or being able to out play the enemy team, often meaning I have to swap.
The support combos aren't necessarily bad , like in season 9 where Lucio zen saw pro play, but they can often create really boring play styles that remove me of any actual ability to do anything.
I watched the whole video knowing damn well that I'm not gonna swap off Brigitte regardless of what my mates are playing
right 🤣
This is too true
Hard facts
I love you. Brigs til death!
@@loqaxz5654 in the current patch that’s probably not the worst thing in the world 😂 me and my friend have been locking the Ana Brig (him on brig) and it seems to be fairing well in diamond
“Brawl, dive, and poke can all be from one character if enough time is put into that character.” - Orb munk I think.
W comment. When will people realise 1 tricking isn't bad.
@BluuShotDown one of the worst things you can do is not have a hero pool, if ur a one trick, they'll just counter u and u can't do anything lol
No it can not, how tf can Winston be a poke????
@@BrandonCollier-rm5ou watch pro play and that'll change your mind.
@@BrandonCollier-rm5ou I mean I am a 1 trick and I figured out how to counter basically everything in some way, shape, or form. Some characters are extremely annoying but possible if you know how to handle them.
lol half the comments are just ppl realizing none of this shit matters until you’re higher elo
that's why they don't progress the earlier you start the better
@@Bad3abdul I disagree. I one trick zen and have ranked up from bronze to plat in ~3 months
@@blakebradley829 well then you lucky to have a team of people with brains
@@Bad3abdulits called he got good, stop blaming teammates.
@@blakebradley829Im so glad people realise that if they actually want to get good, maybe they should play the hero they want and only them.
From my experience in high master and gm lobbies comps tend to be less of the 3 main archetypes and more countering tank or the most impactful member of their team.
For instance if we walk out on doom instead of going full dive hero’s (lucio, Moria, tracer, echo, venture,etc) we play Ana to counter hog (dooms biggest counter) then we might add a cas to counter any ventures, tracers or any other dive hero’s that would kill Ana. The remaining players would play something to support the doom in his dives but I rarely see full dive or full brawl or full poke.
yeah seems this way in my like mid-low masters too. Ive never really worried about comp and i rarely hear anyone even talk about it outside of some leaving comment of complaining the tank or a certain player wasnt playing the comp, which is always poke mentioned because im guessing brawl and dive are probably confusing to people. Only thing people seem to know is some support comps, mercy lucio is no no and brig ana is good and to counter tank/support tank or dps. We got a hog then people want a kiri, genji we want an ana, phara and we want a mercy, they have a hog then ana, they have winston we want a brig ect ect.
ok but like, ana brig is typical dive supports, so ana is a dive support, also lucio and moira are both brawl supports, not dive supports.
Also, orisa is dooms biggest counter (in terms of tanks) not hog, definitely not hog.
This is true
"Dont force your supports to do more than they are already doing-"
Me: plays roadhog
pffft
Bro said fuck supports ill do it myself 😭
Got it, going to flame my team for not playing characters that syngergize with mine, thanks!!
im fucking bronze, comp does not matter
I feel like the disregarding of things like comps in the first place is why so many people get stuck in the first 3 ranks with varying levels of mechanical skill.
@@itsjustdewiemanthats not true. any T500 one trick would steam roll through metal ranks on any hero. Cover usage, ult usage, not staggering, etc are way more important for low rank players. Hero pick doesnt matter unless you’re T500
@@sxrk- no shit a t500 can roll a bronze lobby regardless of team comp, that doesn't mean that team comp is useless in bronze lobbies
maybe, but trying to have a synergistic comp would help you get out of bronze.
@sxrk- not true when im playing tracer into ashe/rein. How can rein survive when ashe is shooting from range and im the only dps in the front? But then I swap to echo and then we start getting value.
The only alternative is to lock in and start popping off
That reaper example was actually awful! The reaper on a poke comp whilst not ideal for sure isn't throwing or "anti synergy". Reaper forces the opponents to save defensive cooldowns to not be destroyed in close range, meaning that the poke team has more angles to play with, or less cooldowns to deal with since they're saving them. We can't just. Think. About the game as walking in a straight line.
Lacking resources is one of the biggest. If I had a dime for every time we had a brig zen and our rein is complaining I'd be Warren buffet
2:08 is just not true, sig is incredibly versatile and has seen play in brawl in owl
came to the comments to say this. instantly stopped watching when i heard this bullshit 💀
^^ The only thing sig can’t do is dive
This guy saying sig is only poke and can't do anything else immediately made him lose all credibility
Yeah sigma is both poke and brawl xd
There’s a reason this guy never uses his own clips
Idc I'm a Junkerqueen one trick
As a reaper one trick we love you guys
im mei one trick, i love you jq !
im a junk one trick, love jq :>
A JQ 1 trick in 5v5 overwatch! That's some insane shit I've ever seen! Wait r u an open q player?
@IronMan-jj2fd no, I've never played comp open queue in my 700 hours of comp
Would really like to see a video(s) about map strategy (where to hold as a team on defense when spawn doors open on each map, etc.) Thanks for this vid you da man!
Forgive me, but I thought Brig WASN'T Brawl? I just thought I saw a vid of yours a while back saying she was more anti-dive. But, I may be tripping.
Shes both
Shes played in brawl + dive, but her main strength is stopping enemy dives
She can dive but other supports do that better. She's better off protecting a zen or ana from dives or flanks
isn’t brawl the dive counter
@@xstacy00 nothing counters dive
Two absolute facts I've come to understand in Overwatch. 1> When a team turns on itself by arguing about who should swap to what, their odds of winning rapidly sink to zero. The demands and arguing are the biggest indication of a losing team. 2> NO ONE knows how good/bad another player is at another character. If I'm skilled at Brig, but terrible at Mercy, asking for a Mercy is not going to help the team comp. Only the player knows if it'd help the team or not...then see point #1.
If the team is good enough for composition to matter more than skill, then the players are smart enough to select optimal picks. If you have to complain about comp and blame someone's pick then you're already proven to not be skilled enough to even share that opinion. Nothing is worse than some silver match where someone just will not shut up about someone else's pick.
This is why I play Mystery heroes more than anything else. The entire comp issue is just rage bait for the game.
I LOVE playing as a support with a tank, who buggers off into the enemy team alone, DIES, says he's got "trash healers"
That reaper clip hurts my soul
Imagine not jumping in pharahs face as junkrat while using every ability possible
You can't win every time it's not all about that but Fair point
It’s always the team that refuses to switch
2:17 i knew that rein was saving his charge for that moment
2:44 I think I speak for all of us when I say fk widow
This is helpful for learning how to think about the big picture, thanks! Would love to see a video about which composition each hero fits. It's probably obvious to seasoned players but as a newbie it would be helpful!
thank you for this. i'm a somewhatttt new player and i have always struggled spotting a bad comp, besides basic "dive", "brawl", etc
So what I’m hearing is blame the tanks even if it’s your fault 👍
Summary of Overwatch as a whole in a single sentence.
0:16 ace attorney reference??????
i think its a jojo reference
Jojo reference of Jotaro Kujo
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Objection!
JunkerQueen being a dive tank is like saying Reinhardt has good dive synergy beacause he has a charge.
She’s good at enabling dive
@@necrosis6037 her entire kit is anti-synergistic with dive comp
@@ragingrhino489 she can give them temp health and speed for a bit to engage and her knife is good for giving them easy dive opportunities. They can also capitalize on her ult if she hits a lot of ppl
@@ragingrhino489lmao this why u gold 😂 she can dive a hero like dive heros 😂 you are just not good with jq
@@ragingrhino489 JQ herself is not a dive Tank, but she enables teammates that are dive.
1:25 i can literally inta pick doomfist and my team still goes poke heros, even after we find out enemy goes dive
10:00 the comments💀
press 1 to fuck Necros
God those old icons are so nostalgic
I’d say mei and bastion is a crazy good combo, wait till turret form is ready, then walk of a pick or 2, I do it with my bastion main buddy and it works hella easy
Winston absolutely can brawl, wtf?
One of the most helpful ow videos I've seen, thank you
So, I generally try to synergize with my team by taking up the slack where we have it. As Support, I will either Triage my team if my other Support isn't healing, or go for a utility that is able to give us breathing room (such as Nade or Suzu). On DPS, I go the role opposite my partner: if my partner can go in with the tank on the front line, I will start with Widow. If my partner goes Ashe or Cass, I will back up my tank with Pharah, Rat or Bastion. If my support is getting lit up like the 4th of July, I am going Mei or Reaper to pull the attackers off them (don't touch my doctors).
With Tank, I generally try to hold a space and keep the enemy Tank busy while my DPS works on taking more space for me to control. I don't play Tank often though because it is not hard to Tank Diff Me, and I am tired of getting shit on for letting the team down.
I don't plan on getting higher than Gold though. Most of my playtime is in QuickPlay so take my words with a grain of salt.
08:36 PEAL, huh.
Banana Peal 😂🍌
One heal duo I think works surprisingly well despite seeming anti synergistic is Lucio/LW. Sure one wants to play passive while Lucio enables aggression but I see it similarily to Widow/Dive. By Lucio and the team being aggressive you keep pressure off LW. Plus if your tank is too far in because of the Lucio aggression and can't get out, then LW is the perfect get out of jail free card. Plus both go great with Ball and Doom. LW has the high easy to land heals to track these mobile tanks without missing and Lucio and allows these tanks to be more aggressive. Also LW is pretty self sustained due to cooldowns but can still sometimes need peel due to lacking damage for duels. Meaning Lucio is also yet again an amazing choice to help add peeling for LW allowing him to maintain heals. Plus with LW pretty strong heal output, Lucio gets to stay on speed more often
Junk and Widow is a weirdly good pairing, I’ve realized? the inevitable sombra switch gets caught in his traps and has bombs thrown in her face, Tracer’s too. and Widow can pretty easily deal with pharah for him
2:15 that is a moment in history right there.
Should do this for rivals
First few minutes of the video, putting brig in brawl and saying sig is exclusively poke when we have seen multiple instances of sigma being utilized in brawl comps just in Overwatch 2, that's just some crazy work.
Just subbed. Thought I was this whole time lol I love your vids. Could you make a video one day focusing on positioning across the roles? Especially dynamic positioning and how to keep it in mind as fights often evolve from choke -> open space -> choke. I just always find myself getting obliterated thinking I was doing the right thing until I realize I was walking through open space desperately looking for cover.
As a widow main, people say ALL the time that I'm throwing cause I have low damage despite being the person that typically starts a team fight with a kill
I hate choosing my character first everybody sits at the screen and then when it's time to leave and they finaly pick their character like they say "can you swap". The team will never switch for how the supps want to play.
For real? I've seen so many games where the tanks and all dps be swapping but the supports never swap. They stay on the same Mercy, Lucio, Moria the whole game.
@@tyrenace6597 I'm down in plat trying to hit diamond. I always pick lucy or zen to start becuse they are my picks. But down here they dont like (or dont know how to) playing with them because low heals. then they say go Ana/Kiri and get mad that I'm not good. I just stay my characters now and do my best but will change if I feel like I should, not because Timmy Tryhard doesn't know what cover is and keeps dying in the open.
@@TheHardstyleFoxcrazy that any Plat would think that. You figure by then they would already realize not only what cover is but that you don't even need that many heals to do good. I've had matches where the enemy team has double our heals [around 7-8k] and we still dominate. Also hard to believe anyone would think Lucio or zen is a bad option when discord and speed boost are such strong abilities
Mercy + Ball is ROUGH when they Mercy tries to follow Ball 😆
"Low damage" yesterday I had a bastion on my team. He went 0-5 with a total of 70 damage all game.
This video is unintentional pro widow OTP, and I'm happy for jt
Great point. One small issue. My mates never ever play as a team, I am Gold.
omw to go Rein Sombra Ashe Zen Mercy 😎
Dude just list good vs bad comps
ikr i just want to see a visual list of them and not just chattering with no list.
@@beanjuice6012why tho? it would be near impossible to list everything visually, especially since he also talked about how it might depend on the enemy team's heroes too. if it was just the plain visual examples you wouldn't be able to know *why* they're good or bad. since he explained everything, now we know how to *spot* a good or bad comp rather than...memorising it?
@@beanjuice6012he gave great examples of what heroes count as dive, brawl and poke, explained how each category plays, and gave good overall advice.
As a low ranked ana who can't hit sleep darts, I've realized i shouldn't expect my team to turn around and defend me. moira and kiriko was meant for low ranked play.
I one tricked moria to diamond so i can start using healers i want lol i feel you. once you get out of low plat your team usually does a better job of protecting ana and zen
Thank you a lot
i just started 1 month ago and I'm better than a lot of players who have been playing longer thanks to your video tips
the hero synergy really helps a lot
Great content as well
Also do you think venture fits into every comp cause i use her a lot and I'm really good at her
I think she fits in brawl and dive but I’m not 100% sure. She is very good at sneaking up on a support like Ana and picking them off though
@@bluexchromeguy374 ok thanks I'll find more inquiries
It's usually just stubborn players who don't adapt to their teammates or other teams squad and just play the same character the whole game as you get bent over.
Honestly drives me crazy not sure why you play the same character and get beat up all game and never think to switch. Even when I'm trying a new character if I'm sucking I'll change after 1-2 minutes of game play so we can still get a W.
amazing video! (i will still pick zen every time regardless)
The conflict is when the team isn't in Syngery who's responsibility is it to switch. DPS always want the Tank to switch lol
The responsibility is on all the players to understand how to enable each other in whatever comp they have and what they are going against.
"Sigma can only be played in poke" and the meta in about season 7 was sigma brawl
What I'm hearing is 'it depends'. Got it.
On my main account at best im around low to mid plat on all roles. I made a smurf just to have some fun and played in bronze lobbies. All I can say is my god...comps arent even the baseline issue. Positioning, awarenesss, and basic technical skills like aim were all huge issues
As of the moment, im chilling in gold lobbies and I gotta say that once again comps isnt an issue rather basic strategic plays. And whats worse is the toxicity from these players that again, are at best high silver to low gold. Now im not saying im an expert in any sense. But when I hear the complaints people in gold lobbies dish out, it makes me realize why these people are stuck in the ranks they are
I'm plat as well and made an alt to learn heros I'm bad with. It's wild how toxic low ranks can get, and have no idea how much they're actively hurting their team and are just flaming each other lol.
Yea comp set up n coordinate and teamwork has gone out the windows since the change of OW1 to Ow2, since they removed the find a group option comp has turned more into Quickplay Plus
I’m not gonna lie, the consideration you gave widow could be applied to literally every character, you just have to change up your playstyle and you can flourish, reaper can work in a poke comp if he goes on flanks and looks for picks and wraiths out, zens discord is still a powerful tool in brawl
Gooooood vid damn. I wish I watched this sooner
IM SORRY how does jq play dive
Nm I got it explained in another vid
Sigma can also brawl with the right comp, I agree he's mainly poke and his best position is in poke, but he's not jsut poke
This is the issue with onetriks tho, getting a lucio,zen,rein,bastion,widow heee 😅
3 words : People Counter Swap.
Personaly, I like the top or tier list video
I use sig to brawl all the time, you just have to cycle your abilities correctly and keep pressing W.
Most of this is pretty good advice and or information about comps and synergy, the statement classifying sigma as strictly poke is misleading, he is generally like but he has good brawl capabilities though he may not take ones well against generally brawl tanks, he can be ran with other brawl heroes. Even into other brawl comps, especially junker queen comps. Though appealing him as a strictly poke tank to learning players or new players might be a good idea so they don’t run sigma into a full brawl comp and blame their team cause they saw a single video saying he is viable in the correct context of brawl
Take a shot every time he says synergy
This is what I’m talking about, idk how overwatch was ever successful when it was built around a comp mindset, a game made like that is always going to fail
This video should be shown before anyone is allowed to play Competitive
i think i should be able to permanently ban any brig or lucio i see in my bronze lobbies
Good video, Coach ✨️✨️✨️
Is there any worth in using reaper as a tank bodyguard, like protecting your sigma from any reins or rams aproaching?
nothing like playing rein and my backline is brig mercy💀
When I play dps with my sister, we go what I call the “anti-Pharah” team which is junkrat and venture
Shoutouts to the UNI 2 music in the intro of the video.
Honestly it’s time to talk about Mercy Lucio and how it isn’t a bad healer comp. This misconception has been happening for years because they want to make Mercy an off healer.
You want damage boosts yes, if you need damage boost after 1 enemy kill your team didn’t deserve to win in the first place. If your teammates can’t survive for the amount of time a pocketed DPS to get a kill, then it truly is a skill issue.
Much in the same vain, Lucio’s speed boost is nice if you’re his teammate, but the survivability of the heal aura is enough to sustain for a kill until Mercy switches back to heals. His speed boost can be used to help you, but he could use it exclusively for himself and get just as much value.
this does not matter in our plat games
Mercy and Lucio is my least favourite combo by far!
I won playing Rein against Mauga and Ana. Sometimes skill trumps comp
May i ask, what category does roadhog come into
Me picking jq every game
Idc I instalock as a one trick, good luck everybody else
1:07 brig is not a brawl character that is her worst comp.
For sure, brig, a melee character, is 100% better in poke than brawl
I will sell my soul for some junkrat content rn
This is really good information. However I find none of this matters before diamond. If you are plat or lower it simply means you are not good. Improving your skills will be MUCH more useful than learning all this.
I am really confident when saying this because I am a diamond Moira one trick and I literally know nothing but “grinding stats” to get to diamond. And even in diamond you will come across some literal DOG SHXT players that are also diamond. They just keep dying, low stats, however hard you tried to help them. Thus I can only imagine plat being even worse…
when in doubt, pick kiriko
Synergies are mostly meaningless if the people playing those heroes aren't very good at those specific heroes. Most players don't pump 10k hours to play the entire roster. Most people have a significant number of hours on one or two heroes per role and are better served trying to play those heroes as best as possible rather than forcing all these synergies.
OTP still won't swap no matter what
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT PEELING. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO HELP THEIR TEAMMATES OUT
A pharah video please... Maybe a how-to get to plat with her...
I hate when I get Lucio + Moira in my team.
I subscribed now give me live examples of better team positioning and methods to apply. Full detail please😂
The only combo i hate to see are Hanzo and widow. Everything else works just fine, since its all an easy skill issue
I already know reaper junkrat is on here
Soo..what are the worst duos?
Lucio and mercy
Lowkey i wanna have someonebdo an experiment if they do bring 6v6 back i wanna see a 222 stack of like example 2 poke tanks 2 dive dps and 2 brawl supports just to see how chaotic that synergy is
Idc, im still not swaping Hanzo
I’m sorry, but I’m clicking off after hearing “Mauga can play in both brawl and poke”
Mauga has never once been played in pro play as a poke tank, everything is based off his engagement with cardiac which strongly favors close quarters
Great video