The US of A military wanted the Commanche to be a light helicopter like the Little Bird or the Kiowa, to recon duties. It would work that way. But during the 80s military procurement bubble, suddently they wanted it to performe like some "super techno-Apache", and you know, bosses wants BIG contracts. The thing was way overpriced. Drones proved to do the same task with 1/20 of the cost, so it was a waste of money. If you look carefully, US Army is full of that era pieces of (s) machinery. The Humvee was a overgloriefied jeep, a 1M metal coffin. It's huge, but the troops inside are confined. From the POV of a mechanical thing for the armed forces, is simply trash, nor an asset.
Ubuntu Peronista commanche = more speed and better maneuvering, russia = slow helicopters due to long propellers mainly use on lifting heavy Weight land and air vehicles
Beautiful. The Mil 28 is graceful, eloquent. It serves a purpose and does its job in buckets of worthiness. The Russians build them beautiful. Sophistication = the balance of simplicity/complexity.
Can't help but notice how quiet the Mi-28 is compared to most helicopters. Incredibly useful for attacking troop positions, they'll hear the rockets firing before they hear the rotors.
oh... and one thing-I'm from Poland-for 45 years after II World War and before-from 1795 to the end of I World War-for 123(!) years they supported our freedom very well... Much appriciaeted
you too, and thanks... when i was talking about windows, im not sure if it was the mi-24, or 28, or 35, but it was one of the mil family, and plastic composites are stronger than you think, if im right, than thats what they use in some bulletproof glass, not sure though
Hey thanks for the info but wat i was trying to ask was that does it matter in which order they sit? like, wat if the pilot's in the front? any specific reason to put the gunner in the front?
a lot of people don't know it. But Mi-28 has a compartment for 3 people at the back. This compartment was designed to carry Chuck Norris,Rambo and Arnold Schwarzenegger. (Kidding) But it can carry up to 3 people at the back.
Yeaaaa that's the exact answer i was looking for! Much appreciated, thank you :) So do all helicopters follow this system, or are there any exceptions to the rule?
The vertical seating configuration means the helicopter presents a smaller target towards the enemy than if pilot and gunner were sitting side by side.
The main gun as well as all the sensor suites are directly under the gunner's seat, its just a matter of convenience and makes it cheaper than rerouting everything around a forward pilot.
I'll miss this about attack helicopters. Modern ones lack that frightful punch.. That Eurocopter Tiger just.. it's too small or just doens't look right, or something.. The Havoc however, well. look at it, it's ugly, terrifying to see in the eyes of an enemy, you KNOW it's for brutal attacks, much the same as the Apache. Fecking brilliant helo's.
Beautiful chopper,less known to the world to compare with Mi 24 which is widely use all over the world.Im sure it is comparable to many other attack helicopter produce by the west or maybe better
Вообще то F 35 это легкий истребитель и не является прямым конкурентом ПАК ФА. И предложили его не просто купить (никому не нужен такой дорогой долгострой, да еще без возможности купить тяжелый комплекс F 22), а принять участие в разработке (походу просто проспонсировать).
All countries have Foriegn export even the USA so ensure you research before posting The US along with France and Britain are among the biggest exporters of Military Technology. Ever been to these countries and met these fine people no different then in the US remember where we came from!
í never stated that the Mi-28 was the most agile helicopter. The lynx, The cobra, and the Ka-50/52 beat it in terms of agility. What I did say was that the mi-28 was more agile then the Apache ...which it is. I already posted a link to Mi-28 doing loops en snap rolls try to keep up.
Well maybe it's different in the West. But there are helicopters designed for that specific role of rescuing troops. The Apache is an 'attack' helicopter designed purely to 'attack' the enemy.
There have been at least 2 cases where people have strapped themselves to the outside of Apache helicopters, one an American rescue of 2 downed Kiowa pilots in Iraq and another British incident where four British troops went to save a wounded comrade in Afghanistan.
Грозная боевая машина!Постоянно работать над модернизацией боевой техники!Улучшать качество сборки!Учитывать мнение опытных боевых летчиков!Ставить боевые машины на вооружение.
ok, your proving me right and you dont even know it....you, at first, said that having armor, and being slow was death against guided munitions, while the missile will just follow the heli, so flying evasively wont help a lot of the time, but if your slow and armored, you can take hits, oh and btw, the mi-28 is not slow, just sayin, just less maneuverable, so being fast usually means you have less armor, so its a downfall
Да не, это все общие рыночные нюансы. У F35 несколько иные задачи и прямым конкурентом F22 и ПАК ФА он не является. Другое дело, что к 2020 году у Индии могут смениться приоритеты, Они могут решить, что им просто нафиг не нужны более тяжелые и продвинутые для воздушного боя комплексы, а для оборонных целей F35 более чем достаточно.
and lol means laugh out loud, its not supposed to make something funnnier?...anyway sorry though, really all i meant was the zulu would fit your fast attack heli role better, which is why the apache isnt really one, its a tank buster, the only reported heli dogfights were from around the gulf war, so only sam/ anti air missiles would pose any threat bad enough to have to stay moving, except for the stray rpg, and yeah you have your opinions, and i can respect that, it looks like were not going
Милевцы молодцы в отличие от камовцев! Пушку подвесили там, где ей и положено быть с учетом современной тактики вертолетной атаки, шасси сделали неубираемым, что существенно снижает силу удара о землю при аварийной посадке...В общем, взяли все самое хорошее у Апача, и ничего в этом зазорного нет.
Да не было в тендере тех-проблем. Был инцидент во время учений под Нижним Новгородом, на который давили США. А индусы составили список из технических несоответствий. Именно несоответствий, а не проблем. Только вот беда, что в этом списке мы можем только гадать. У Апача же известных преимуществ мало. Основные из них это более полная документация по отказам систем, ну и конечно же опыт боевого применения. А чисто технические зачастую спорны. К примеру одна из первых, это антибликовое остекление.
these tactics you are talking about are for combat but once again, helis arent always moving, back to my point, armor doesnt choose when to protect, its always there, so when you have to possibly hover, then its there for you, its more of a fail safe, more armor, more protection. you can take down a b-2 spirit(not while in the air of course) in two places with an m-16, because these are weak spots, the mi-28's windows can even withstand direct AP 50 cal. rounds, less weak spots......
Так ты внимательно прошерсти всю сопутствующую инфу. Россия теряет рынок в основном потому, что конкуренты или уже начали использовать российские рыночные методы или решают вопрос о возможности их использования в перспективе. В частности производство по лицензии. А США в нагрузку к Апачам предложило участие в дальнейшей разработке F-35.
@ARISTARD The cobra does not have better armor. It's even lighter armoured then the Apache. Which has been doing all to well against light small arms. Mi-28 on the other hand like it's uncle the hind has been designed to take heavy small arms fire.
Именно об этом списке я и писал. Что там имеется ввиду, хрен его знает. А ведь мы на многих примерах можем предполагать, что в первую очередь речь ведется о различии в стандартах оборудования.
Well, aside from the massive amount of strain your government is going through to keep their army modern. It's a shame since Russia has had a great history and it's come to this. Russia is still a power to be reckoned with, but it's just a shell of its Soviet and Imperial self.
So the long bow got sophisticated avionics. Its still a domesticated dog, and the Mi28 is the wolf. won't roll over, catch ball, or play, but will kill any dog that wanna fight. Its just functional on the battlefield, not a pet for congress and DOD.
uhhh i dont think you heard it right, armor doesnt turn to butter whenever it sees an incoming missile, rocket etc, ANYTHING that reduces shock to the fuselage/ cockpit, is considered armor, so please let me know why your talking about aa missiles like thats all that matters, and small arms dont matter, because i'd love to see you hover in a heli, while someone puts an anti tank round from a ptrsd in one of your engines, and helis arent always moving......
Тащусь от его звука,огневой мощи,форм,зеленой расцветки камуфляжа,и дико импонирует красная звезда 🤩 СССР жив!✊
An absolute masterpiece. Flies so smoothly as well.
The most beautiful helicopter ever.
No,i think Ka-52 by a whisker!
to prawdziwa maszyna .pelen podziwu jestem dla rosyjskij konstruktorow. Brawowo panowie i panie.Pwodzenia .
Here is the looping of Mi 28 attack helicopter - For anyone who hasn't seen before. I love Russia.
Mi-28 Show
Russian Weapons are the best in the world. I came here because I heard that Algeria bought 48 of these.
Commanche = scrapped.
Mi.28 = Looping like a boss
yeah I don't see why america didn't go through with that. :/
The US of A military wanted the Commanche to be a light helicopter like the Little Bird or the Kiowa, to recon duties. It would work that way. But during the 80s military procurement bubble, suddently they wanted it to performe like some "super techno-Apache", and you know, bosses wants BIG contracts.
The thing was way overpriced. Drones proved to do the same task with 1/20 of the cost, so it was a waste of money.
If you look carefully, US Army is full of that era pieces of (s) machinery. The Humvee was a overgloriefied jeep, a 1M metal coffin. It's huge, but the troops inside are confined. From the POV of a mechanical thing for the armed forces, is simply trash, nor an asset.
Ubuntu Peronista commanche = more speed and better maneuvering, russia = slow helicopters due to long propellers mainly use on lifting heavy Weight land and air vehicles
Это какая-то из последних модификаций, как я понимаю.
Forever ROSSIJA!
Приятная машина!!!
это ми28 нм вроде
иван кукунини да это высшая комплектация
это россия детка, броне апач
WONDERFUL HELICOPTER!!! VERY NICE!!!
She's a beauty.
he has a scary appearance with those two yellow eyes that looks like an insect,
That helicopter is very nice.😍😍😍
You creating and we test them for you. It has been dropping five of these in Syria in just two months
It has a unique design, I really like this helicopter.
Beautiful. The Mil 28 is graceful, eloquent. It serves a purpose and does its job in buckets of worthiness. The Russians build them beautiful. Sophistication = the balance of simplicity/complexity.
Can't help but notice how quiet the Mi-28 is compared to most helicopters. Incredibly useful for attacking troop positions, they'll hear the rockets firing before they hear the rotors.
oh... and one thing-I'm from Poland-for 45 years after II World War and before-from 1795 to the end of I World War-for 123(!) years they supported our freedom very well... Much appriciaeted
ОТЛИЧНО!!!
A 30 year old design, yet completely bad ass
you too, and thanks... when i was talking about windows, im not sure if it was the mi-24, or 28, or 35, but it was one of the mil family, and plastic composites are stronger than you think, if im right, than thats what they use in some bulletproof glass, not sure though
Спасибо Вам За Защиту
great helicopter, it is a pity that almost no one was interested in this!
Супер, 😍🔥
this has always been my favourate!!
Красота)
Infernal Gunship !
Best and the most dangerous helicopter of this world
Hey thanks for the info but wat i was trying to ask was that does it matter in which order they sit? like, wat if the pilot's in the front? any specific reason to put the gunner in the front?
Excellent
a lot of people don't know it. But Mi-28 has a compartment for 3 people at the back.
This compartment was designed to carry Chuck Norris,Rambo and Arnold Schwarzenegger. (Kidding) But it can carry up to 3 people at the back.
This has always been my favourate helicopter!
nice helicopter!!!!!!!!
has a unique design
Наша мошь :-)
Летающий танк.
Yeaaaa that's the exact answer i was looking for! Much appreciated, thank you :) So do all helicopters follow this system, or are there any exceptions to the rule?
This is easily the most menacing looking aircraft I have ever seen.
I wounder who was the genius that came up with the idea of putting guns,lots of guns on helicopters :D
Do all attack helicopters have the "Gunner in front, Pilot in the back" seating configuration? ANy specific reason for that?
Do Amazon sell one of those? :)
F. Moussa no I think Walmart does
The vertical seating configuration means the helicopter presents a smaller target towards the enemy than if pilot and gunner were sitting side by side.
In mother Россия our Chopper pilots can do a 6-10 g turns
The main gun as well as all the sensor suites are directly under the gunner's seat, its just a matter of convenience and makes it cheaper than rerouting everything around a forward pilot.
I'll miss this about attack helicopters. Modern ones lack that frightful punch.. That Eurocopter Tiger just.. it's too small or just doens't look right, or something.. The Havoc however, well. look at it, it's ugly, terrifying to see in the eyes of an enemy, you KNOW it's for brutal attacks, much the same as the Apache. Fecking brilliant helo's.
Those 80mm rockets are pretty lethal!
Спасибо
Beautiful chopper,less known to the world to compare with Mi 24 which is widely use all over the world.Im sure it is comparable to many other attack helicopter produce by the west or maybe better
КА-52 это командная машина. Он вертолет-командир, который ведет звено МИ-28н
Boa der SOUND ist ZUM Angst haben :D hehe richtig goil!!!!!!
"This is Morpho, arriving shortly at LZ."
this looks like great white shark in sky
Вообще то F 35 это легкий истребитель и не является прямым конкурентом ПАК ФА. И предложили его не просто купить (никому не нужен такой дорогой долгострой, да еще без возможности купить тяжелый комплекс F 22), а принять участие в разработке (походу просто проспонсировать).
All countries have Foriegn export even the USA so ensure you research before posting The US along with France and Britain are among the biggest exporters of Military Technology. Ever been to these countries and met these fine people no different then in the US remember where we came from!
apache always the best helicopter
i really hope your glasses can see all this now (;
mi28，经典武装直升机。
í never stated that the Mi-28 was the most agile helicopter. The lynx, The cobra, and the Ka-50/52 beat it in terms of agility. What I did say was that the mi-28 was more agile then the Apache ...which it is. I already posted a link to Mi-28 doing loops en snap rolls try to keep up.
Маус? Микки?
@ARISTARD The Cobra has better armor .......How you know?
Well maybe it's different in the West. But there are helicopters designed for that specific role of rescuing troops. The Apache is an 'attack' helicopter designed purely to 'attack' the enemy.
I wonder how the Iraqi's are doing with theirs? You see a lot of footage of them flying the MI-35M, but not much of their MI-28's.
это тот самый турецкий вертолет, который разработали итальянцы?
Почему не ставят пушки Гатлинга кругового обзора с радаром от ракет земля воздух ведь это логичнее
i love this mi 28
There have been at least 2 cases where people have strapped themselves to the outside of Apache helicopters, one an American rescue of 2 downed Kiowa pilots in Iraq and another British incident where four British troops went to save a wounded comrade in Afghanistan.
Грозная боевая машина!Постоянно работать над модернизацией боевой техники!Улучшать качество сборки!Учитывать мнение опытных боевых летчиков!Ставить боевые машины на вооружение.
Kamov aircraft also copy?
ok, your proving me right and you dont even know it....you, at first, said that having armor, and being slow was death against guided munitions, while the missile will just follow the heli, so flying evasively wont help a lot of the time, but if your slow and armored, you can take hits, oh and btw, the mi-28 is not slow, just sayin, just less maneuverable, so being fast usually means you have less armor, so its a downfall
Да не, это все общие рыночные нюансы. У F35 несколько иные задачи и прямым конкурентом F22 и ПАК ФА он не является. Другое дело, что к 2020 году у Индии могут смениться приоритеты, Они могут решить, что им просто нафиг не нужны более тяжелые и продвинутые для воздушного боя комплексы, а для оборонных целей F35 более чем достаточно.
and lol means laugh out loud, its not supposed to make something funnnier?...anyway sorry though, really all i meant was the zulu would fit your fast attack heli role better, which is why the apache isnt really one, its a tank buster, the only reported heli dogfights were from around the gulf war, so only sam/ anti air missiles would pose any threat bad enough to have to stay moving, except for the stray rpg, and yeah you have your opinions, and i can respect that, it looks like were not going
butthurt?
very good!
Yeah I guess the US helicopters are just sorta gunships by nature. I see your point, no need to have to build two different aircraft. Good point
ايه الروعه دى
สุดยอดเลย Mi-28
saudações do brasil ao amigo thaylandezinho!!!!
Милевцы молодцы в отличие от камовцев! Пушку подвесили там, где ей и положено быть с учетом современной тактики вертолетной атаки, шасси сделали неубираемым, что существенно снижает силу удара о землю при аварийной посадке...В общем, взяли все самое хорошее у Апача, и ничего в этом зазорного нет.
nice-you should keep wider picture but gene rally ok-thx
Да не было в тендере тех-проблем. Был инцидент во время учений под Нижним Новгородом, на который давили США. А индусы составили список из технических несоответствий. Именно несоответствий, а не проблем. Только вот беда, что в этом списке мы можем только гадать. У Апача же известных преимуществ мало. Основные из них это более полная документация по отказам систем, ну и конечно же опыт боевого применения. А чисто технические зачастую спорны. К примеру одна из первых, это антибликовое остекление.
these tactics you are talking about are for combat but once again, helis arent always moving, back to my point, armor doesnt choose when to protect, its always there, so when you have to possibly hover, then its there for you, its more of a fail safe, more armor, more protection. you can take down a b-2 spirit(not while in the air of course) in two places with an m-16, because these are weak spots, the mi-28's windows can even withstand direct AP 50 cal. rounds, less weak spots......
почему Ливия не просила нас о помощи? а теперь и Асод молчит.
i love this helicopter
в 2011-ом "НМ" ещё даже не летал, это "Н"
mi 28 lost in indian tender in 2011. They bought apache.Main reason is more advanced targeting and shooting systems for Apache
Looks like a mix of the 21 and apache...
Так ты внимательно прошерсти всю сопутствующую инфу. Россия теряет рынок в основном потому, что конкуренты или уже начали использовать российские рыночные методы или решают вопрос о возможности их использования в перспективе. В частности производство по лицензии. А США в нагрузку к Апачам предложило участие в дальнейшей разработке F-35.
Откуда у тебя такие познания в области военной техники и их продаж??? Ты к этому имеешь прямое отношение?
Micky Mouse !!
@ARISTARD The cobra does not have better armor. It's even lighter armoured then the Apache. Which has been doing all to well against light small arms. Mi-28 on the other hand like it's uncle the hind has been designed to take heavy small arms fire.
Именно об этом списке я и писал. Что там имеется ввиду, хрен его знает. А ведь мы на многих примерах можем предполагать, что в первую очередь речь ведется о различии в стандартах оборудования.
good nice heli :)
The art of engineering
Well, aside from the massive amount of strain your government is going through to keep their army modern. It's a shame since Russia has had a great history and it's come to this. Russia is still a power to be reckoned with, but it's just a shell of its Soviet and Imperial self.
So the long bow got sophisticated avionics. Its still a domesticated dog, and the Mi28 is the wolf. won't roll over, catch ball, or play, but will kill any dog that wanna fight. Its just functional on the battlefield, not a pet for congress and DOD.
maybe because it has more armor??
не понимаю, почему индусы забраковали такой вертолёт.
" this is 2 5, were returning to base to refuel and rearm, we will not be available for some time. "
Одна проблема из многих - турецкий вертолет не взлетит.
Apache Who??
uhhh i dont think you heard it right, armor doesnt turn to butter whenever it sees an incoming missile, rocket etc, ANYTHING that reduces shock to the fuselage/ cockpit, is considered armor, so please let me know why your talking about aa missiles like thats all that matters, and small arms dont matter, because i'd love to see you hover in a heli, while someone puts an anti tank round from a ptrsd in one of your engines, and helis arent always moving......
When this thing heads toward you
"you will have a very bad fucking day"
This chopper looks like a Mickey Mouse from a front view..Check for your self.
I wouldn't want to be staring this "Mickey" in the face for the wrong reasons tho....
that's one dangerous mouse
hhh
"Krokodil, igrai!"