There are small board computers like the Jetson that could be trained rather quickly and cheaply. A lot of the software hurdles just don't exist anymore.
I didn't know this bit of history. It's easy to see how this technology evolved into the Vortex fire control system that the army just adopted as part of the NGSW program. Cool!
Thank you very much for the video on the scope. I was disappointed that you didn’t expand into the new military vortex scope which appears to have many of the features that this gun / scope had
It reminds me of the Gyro sight in the fighter aircraft of ww2. Great pilots knew how to off set the shot, but most didn't. The gyro sight did this for them.
This brings to mind the 50 cal round that tracked the target with electronics built into it. This would be better for military applications,as it uses regular ammo.
Yehp, exactly how now purists hate em so will the rifle purists hate this, let em, I’m sure they don’t love my thermal scopes and NV too 😂 opening morning I can go out and scout an track the elk herd in the dark waiting for opening day minute to come and then go boom with a regular glass scope. Meanwhile other guys will have to wait not being able to sneak up a couple hundred yards from a herd. Not my problem, it’s there’s, they’ve banned Thermals from being on the rifle that you take the shot with. But when working as a two man team you can easily carry a rifle a piece, one with a thermal preferably a semi auto .308 that’ll double as a defensive weapon against bears and then you got your hunting rifle with a magnification like say 5-25x in the mountains to bring it together. We’re far from muskets, the iron sight, and now we’re slowly and swiftly moving in to the smart scope era. It’s a beautiful thing, I’ll just go with the flow vs trying to fight it.
When you are dependent upon technology, you are compromised. There is no substitute for a properly trained soldier/Marine capable of shooting accurately with open sights at 200,300, and 500 yards.
Yea one would assume that the tech they developed was fundamentally sound, it was just the hardware was insecure. A computer aided gun is going to come to market eventually, that's guaranteed (just look at the scope for the XM5), it's just a matter of doing it correctly and in a secure manner. I also doubt you'll be able to keep it out of civilian hands once it exists, because as we all know, you can't stop the signal. Information inherently wants to be free, and with modern 3D printing and computer machining processes, anyone with a small desktop CnC setup could machine and print most of the parts you'd need for a scope like this, and then source the hardware from the open market (because lets be real, the average person isn't going to care as much about security for a DIY project). It all feeds into the same cyberpunk technological future concept, the same as any other smart tech. People will be getting internet connected eye implants and using those as rifle scopes at some point, you bet your ass someone's gonna find a way to make the gun more capable using the same hardware that process all that for you
@@TheOriginalFaxon honestly, it sounded like as long as you remove the wifi you're fine. But since they flogged their coding team to death that also caused product insecurity. If the code team was overworked that would explain all the bugs Remington saw. Since it was developed open source in theory anyone should have been able to get copy now that I think about it....So yea, shut the company down, hoard the IP, join a secret gov't think tank, and we're starting to see the tech in things like Vortex' NGSW-FC and the new Goggles the Army wants. And fwiw, you're right, there WILL be an enhanced cybereye optic that will work just as good as any scope! Just give it 20yrs!
No doubt. Seems kind of strange that the USG wouldn't have *ANY* interest whatsoever in a zero-training weapon that could be handed out in giant crates to untrained insurgents in areas of interest. Seems like a no-brainer great way to turn a local population into an unstoppable overthrow machine, pretty quickly. I don't know, if I had to guess, I'd say you're probably right. Makes sense they'd want this off the market, both to ensure domestic stability by limiting supply, and to promote foreign instability where needed by increasing supply.
@@Mr_Fission I'd like to imagine entire platoons being deployed with this system. In theory you could push the engagement out to 500yds easily. Use a couple drones to guild in artillery...i'd be all over but the crying!
"Hunting" suggests a certain degree of skill that this product takes away. So it's not hunting but slaughter. Like any technology, the military applications are potentially hugh. Most rounds fired in modern war are to suppress the enemy. If that could be converted to majority guaranteed hits it would be a game changer. Of course your average elk isn't normally firing back, or able to deploy sensor confusing countermeasures.
Lots of people hunt for food instead of sport. In that case slaughter is entirely a justifiable end. Nature is in essence a free meat department for some families. I have no issue with that. I think it's weird to say using this technology is cheating when we have been using guns. The gun itself is cheating by that standard. Still neither are valid imo. At least not if your purpose is food. If your purpose is sport than yes, it's cheating. Anything past bow hunting would be imo. Sport implies each side had an equal chance of winning. A rifle changes that equation and this scope makes the balance even worse. A bow on the other hand is more equal. So if they want to be picky about it.
The best content, people paying 300$ cable bills to watch the same ol lame stuff, this channel and many others, of course I mean ALL YOUR CHANNELS, are the reason I pretty much just watch YT. Nobody on cable is putting stories like this out there.
I haven't watched broadcast TV since 2009, and if there is the occasional TV-based show that I want to watch, I can usually find it either here or on Amazon/etc. I can watch what I want, when I want, in the order I want - watching TV is pointless.
Military application yes, civilian NO! Any security knowledgeable person could have told the WIFI was a bad idea unless heavily encrypted. Bluetooth maybe, because of limited range, but it too would need to be well secured.
I don't understand how it was considered "cheating for the sport of hunting" I would rather have hunters "cheat" getting a good clean kill shot than inexperienced hunters taking shots that only wound an animal just for it to run off and not be found. Besides at $24k it's not like everyone would be in the woods with one.
It wasn't about hunting. The NRA is a puppet organization that sells out Americans and their rights. They'll use "hunting" as their basis to ban everything. They'll say shit like we only need guns to hunt therefore we shouldn't have 30 rd magazines or "assault rifles" because it's overkill.
U sure about that? Most Americans would not be able to use this in practical hunting situations...Horrible idea to allow this to the public...remember recent events when a kook decides to shoot innocent people🙊🙉🙈
I have personally fired almost every version of this system. 338, 308, 5.56, and I've done it successfully beyond its stated range. We went to a West VA range that had sufficient range and put it in the hands of private security. XE...and devgru. It performed flawlessly. We fired new prototypes as well as existing available products. My buddy wrote about it in marine corps times as a result of this meet up. The Navy ordered 5000 units. Pretty sure they were canceled due to the hacking issues. However...you need to look at them again. They've been back 9nline for some time now. You can order and they will build a system today.
I’ve had the ability to use tracking point and it does work but is limited on rage and is slow to calculate but the claims are valid it’s also spooky not knowing exactly when the rifle will fire
This project will most likely be revived by the US military some decades later in peruse of futuristic sniper scopes that acts like playing Sniper Elite 4 on rookie difficulty
They already have it in a modular version and plan to start rolling it out in a few years. They already have working models magpul is doing the housings
I think a computer aided firearm well really be effective in three main situations. The first is for military long range precision, where it can allow for soldiers to take up a designated marksmen role without haveing to be specially trained for that role. The only training that would be needed is weapons qualification and how to use the scope which would be fairly stright forward. The second is for meat hunting, where putting meat on the table can be the difference between going hungry or not. And the third is for pest control, where again getting the animal down is the main priority. It dose defeat the point of hunting for sport. And outside of the richest military it's going to be to expensive and logistically hard to put on everyone's rifle.
There’s a pretty decent type of body armour that’s been out for a while called Dragon Skin/Scales or something to that effect. It’s modern body armour. VERY effective. You should look into it and do a video on it.
Dragon Scale. Overlapping ceramic disks instead of a chicken plate. Theoretically better because the loss of one disk does not degrade performance as badly as a chicken plate hit in the same area twice. IIRC, it's expensive, heavy, and must be fit to the wearer.
The overlapping disks were bonded together with adhesive. The problem with using adhesive was that it degraded in extreme temperatures like those seen in deserts and arctic environments. This issue made it unacceptable for military use. Additionally, the armor had problems stopping bullets fired from certain angles.
I thought he did a video on it on one of his many channels. But as others had said, it was a huge liability cause it didnt always have consistent results. And there were plenty of design defects that caused it to let even pistol rounds pass through at certain angles
It is a give in that a secretive US agency has acquired track point's tech or barring that key people from track point are now working for them. It is the proverbial missing link that will make a future combat system feasible
This is nothing more than an optic that adjust for several variables for you. The video referred to it several times as a self-aiming rifle. Though a system like this may be matched to the specific ballistics of a certain rifle, the rifle is still held and manipulated by the user. That user still has to identify targets, hold the rifle steady and have good shooting skills to make this work to its potential. Yes it could help any level of shooter make more hits but it by no means makes them a marksman much less a sniper. A sniper is not defined by their weapon. All said It is an awesome idea and will be developed further as we can see by several other products coming out these days.
Unfortunate results? What, you miss?! Learning Kentucky windage (leading) as a basic backup should be part of every shooters first lesson (after safe handling instruction). This thing would be great for learning/perfecting the art of leading.
@@vampcaff everything taught in firearm safety is common sense if you have any you really dont need to take a course and a course isnt going to help those who are too stupid to learn
I used to have one. They are amazing rifles. The AR weighs like 12 lbs and it takes getting used to watching a digital screen instead of a glass scope. The funny thing is it is not be any means easily tampered with. The Wi-Fi is 30 feet. A hacker has to have a laptop within 30 feet of the scope that has Wi-Fi turned on and they hacked the app not the scope. They literally took one apart and reverse engineered the hardware but still couldn’t get in. They hacked the app. All the hack could do was change the variable for bullet weight and the wind. So they could make the gun miss the target by saying the bullet weighs 999999 grains. Making it over comp and miss the target. The fix was simple. Turn off the Wi-Fi if you see more than 1 user on your screen. I had the Remington 2020. Once they got the bugs worked out, its truly amazing. They even had a thermal version. And the scope view streamed (Wi-Fi) to a iPad or pair of glasses letting you make precision shots around corners. It was similar to the sentry gun on COD with a little work and a tripod. The price is the problem. 15,000 for a 5.56 is stupid. Now ATN makes a scope that does almost everything the tracking point scope could do and its under 1,000. And yes i have one of those too. Night vision in 4K quality. The tracking point was better, but the atn does most of the things and its actually affordable, and they are still in business so you can send it back for repair if needed. Ike it or not, this is the future of optics
I don't know about you all but I'm pretty sure it's impossible for an algorithm to malfunction. It's possible for a person to come up with an algorithm that doesn't work how they envisioned it to. Damn algorithms! Love the channel.
Let's all remember that the tech is only as good as the operator can use it. Never forget that we have to have the theory and foundation solid FIRST. And i for one have to restart my phone 3 times a week just to get it to remember what it is and how to do it.
The US military is doing something similar with Microsoft where they're trying to merge digital analysis with real world combat situations so soldiers know what's going on and can receive orders more efficiently I think they're trying to bring the visor HUD's of halo to real life where you have reticle's, radar ping to detect enemies, and vital signs tracking to see who's wounded or on the brink of death
that functionality could be transferred to cybernetics in the brain so that the shooter instinctively aims and fires without really looking once shooter decides on target
Yep. My old man was career National Guard. He scored marksman with many weapons but he would be the first to tell you he was not a "sniper" by any means.
When you're purpose is 2 kill ,why not make it inevitable. Ron Reagan wanted to deploy a neutron bomb, such a weapon would detonate and kill every human and higher life forms in an area equivalent to a normal hydrogen bomb.However it can echieve this without destroying the actual infrastructure. Also the after effects of radiation and fallout would be greatly minimized. The drawbacks of this type of weapon is that the humans in the death zone would not be killed immediately, so it was considered a sort of chemical weapon, if you saw the flash of it you are as good as dead,not then but sone.And the good part about it that 2weeks later your house car etc can be used by the victor.
I’m sure that vortex optics didn’t have a hand in the demise of this company. Seeing as they just got a contract to deliver almost the exact same item to replace all of the existing ACOG optics.
LUDDITES OF THE WORLD, UNITE! As long as "civilians" have access to computers, they have access to weaponized computers. For example, as a safety measure, there's a system that can use sound to determine if a steel girder is intact or if that structural member needs replacing. This transducer can be modified to emit a resonate frequency of enough amplitude to cause structural failure. Or the remote ignition feature of modern automobiles can be remotely hacked so that when the car is travelling at highway speeds, the engine shuts off--permanently. Since most of the smart cars have power steering and power brakes, when the engine shuts off the driver loses both steering and brakes. Do you have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what happens next? The software used in TrackingPoint can be duplicated. How well does a bootleg copy have to work? The biggest secret in making atomic bombs was that fission could be made to work--after that, the next biggest problem was obtaining enough fissionable material. When there just wasn't enough uranium, someone discovered a man-made substitute--plutonium. Are there still incompetents who believe that banning something will put the genie back in the bottle?
^^^THIS^^^ Also, how stupid do you have to be to realize not everything needs WiFi capability? The moment you add that, you create an entire mountain range of security issues.
Ya, not really event that dangerous overall imo. I mean, oh wow it could turn someone who was an amateur into a pro gunman... Not. Yes, it can definitely help them, but they still need to line up, laser and identify the target, and then work to adjust aim. This takes some time, time that any person who spends some time learning to shoot themselves can achieve. Against a human sized target at normal walking speeds or standing or sitting it's not really all that impressive honestly. Still nice, but again, not something lots of people already can do, or anyone can with some time and effort to learn (instead of this super expensive thing). So for crimes... not that big of a deal imo... and most crimes are committed at closer ranges, where this isn't as well suited or important anyway. So yes it could be dangerous... but not really any more dangerous than the already present options, only potentially a bit more dangerous in some specific peoples hands if they are on a time limit perhaps, but still not to a level above what's already normal for many others. While an extreme, it's like saying we can't let people buy wheelchairs because now those who were challenged with mobility can more easily steal stuff and run(roll) away quickly. Like... yes, it might make it easier for some to commit crimes... but not in any way that really matters. Or more relatedly, what about normal scopes at all? Those let people aim at shoot from a distance better, letting people be more dangerous with guns... not relying on really good eyes or stuff, yet that's perfectly normal, it's just something that assists people in using a tool And for it being hacked. General common sense, if you see or know there's a person where you are pointing the gun... don't shoot regardless. If someone hacks it so the display tells you to adjust off five or ten feet... and miss by five... oh well, you should expect random issues with bullets, random hits on plants or branches or other things that might cause issues, you never fire if there's someone or something important that close to your target normally. So while it'd be annoying if someone screws up your device, it's not that big of a safety concern if you still are a remotely responsible person. And if you aren't... well I don't think you'd do any better with a normal gun that couldn't be hacked. And honestly, having it be modifiable in software would be a plus for me and many others who would like to try our own tweaks or change parts of it (of coarse, we'd use it cautiously and test thoroughly, never trust it too much like mentioned previously, no firing if people or things you don't want holes in are anywhere roughly down range of your barrel). Oh, and on making the atomic bombs, there is actually a lot more to it than just packing some radioactive material together, most of the time you do it poorly, you get a ton of radiation and a dirty bomb, but a weak one. Making a good bomb that actually uses up most of the material in it and doesn't just scatter apart and break itself apart before a reaction sets in requires tons of math, testing, and lots of work. There's a reason these programs are so damn expensive, and why nukes are so expensive even for countries that already know how to make them and much more than basic material costs. These things are extremely fine precision pieces of engineering that shouldn't be taken lightly. Though ya, a random pile of it crammed together to make simple critical mass can still devastate a small local area but that's not the WMD type we normally think of and are concerned about then. So random people can still cause disasters easily with some material, but going and making full on large scale weapons... that's a pretty tricky one thankfully.
@@terricon4 his point was that accessing computer tech is easier then finding fissionable materials and that still got replicated and as for use, my head already conceived cheaply produced autonomous drones that could turn an individual into an army and be built on a basic budget so I totally get his concerns even if your argumentative nature can't.....
cutting off an engine at highway speed does not mean you have no steering or brakes if the car has a manual transmission you will still have both as the engine is mechanically coupled to the wheels although as your speed reduces both hydraulic and vacuum assistance will diminish if it is a car with automatic transmission you will lose vacuum braking assistance making braking much harder but a competent driver will slowly ably the parking brake your steering might get heavier without hydraulic assistance but steering will still be possible as hydraulic assistance has its biggest benefit when at low to no speed so both of the examples you give are not really a problem i would be more worried about someone hacking cars with self parking and assuming control of the steering
@@paktahn a lot of vehicles come with electric power steering now. I suppose all that truly needs hacked is that. A sharp turn into oncoming traffic doesn't give you time to react.
This probably the future of firearms as the components get cheaper, wider availability etc. adding a fingerprint reader, firewalls for the WiFi would help close a few security gaps. Eventually androids will carry weapons like this to hold forward positions or in recon missions. We just need to embrace it, and by the way you can toss that slide rule in the trash can.
Here's a thought.. disable wifi. It was just a bonus feature to allow observation anyways so they wont be losing much by ditching it. Completely disable all wireless conectivity bluetooth or otherwise. Tada..
I bought some 338 Lapua ammo from a guy that had one of these rifles he was telling me about it he had one of the guns he said it was so easy you could put a first time shooter on it and they could ring steel like an expert
Unless this thing was self firing I don't see how messing with the tracking software could do anything really. Sounded like it applied negative pressure against the trigger until rdy you still pulled it. Like an active safety. Almost sounds safer
Not sure if it's related, but the Israeli's have their own version of this tech for their military and it was being tested by the US Military in 2020. Smart Shooter Ltd. is the Israeli company. IIRC, with their version, you pull the trigger and the rifle releases the bolt when the optimal shooting trajectory is achieved. Personally, going after the lucrative military contracts was the right play. Trying to angle this tech at hunting/civilian use just seemed silly. /edit not sure what happened to the last post.
"Releasing the bolt" only works for open-bolt weapons (like belt fed machine guns). Shooting from the open bolt is horribly inaccurate, as the weapon moves considerably during the feeding / chambering / locking process, which all happens post bolt release, prior to firing. Perhaps you meant releasing the sear, and therefore firing a closed-bolt weapon? Which I could see happening, and remaining "fairly" accurate.
We totally should have access to such devices and accessories to help better stand up to tyranny. And for hunting purposes it could be the difference between eating that day or not also.
This whole system is no doubt already available on the gray Market as a modification kit. It is also certainly in further development by several governments around the world.
Dude from American greed had this. This was like 10+ years ago.. it was some insurance company ceo that provided insurance for bars and clubs and was gonna use this on a senator.
That's a very fascinating piece of technology. But it's very difficult to judge the consequences of this rifle being used on a large scale which from a today's perspective is unlikely due to its high price. In a few years the price will drop significantly imo if more research and money is being invested. But the general danger will remain. The concern about new technologies like algorithms, "smart" technology etc. is that it could malfunction and could be used for a harmful purpose and therefore injure and kill humans (the user or other people) which is a completely different story when it comes to a "smart" rifle that was literally designed to kill. Sure (weapon) technology evolves but it was mostly used for military only. Even if the weapon is properly working and used as it should, I still see hacking as a serious problem
The idea isn't lost. I'm sure they are redesigning it for military and civilian use. It was a great concept. Just wasn't executed properly. It definitely raised a few eyebrows I can guarantee.
The sad fact is anything with a Wi-Fi connection can be hacked one way or another.. If they had just focused on the precision shooting aspect of thier product, the company would be doing great business! On the other side hunting is a sport and marksmanship is a big part of learning how to hunt so I can see the point that the hunting community has on this subject. Thanks. A disabled US Army Veteran
Had followed both this and the military version and talk about great shooting technologies, would love to have 1 or more but way way out of my budget. Biggest fear is a state enemy gets one n copies the technology and uses it against the US military forces ….
I mean people do this in their head not sure why it took so long. Even a basic one with basics like bullet weight, range, barrel length, and temp/humidity
the military should definatally adopt them. Get a couple of kids to rewrite the code then seal the rifle. I've seen it! they can practically make stuff levitate with their coding skills!
i am no gun nut, i have never shot one myself nor do i wish to, but if this gets into the wrong hands this is a disaster waiting to happen, sure it can be useful for our troops but still
People are such fearful sheep. I am a gun traditionalist, so it's cast lead and short ranges for me, but if my long range shooting buddies want to drop the cash for something like this, then I want them to have it. This is kind of like AI and 3D printing. They can wring their hands all they want, but the cats are out of the bag and they're not going back in.
According to the current SCOTUS, civilians obviously should have these guns as the Constitution states, "the right to bear arms, shall not be infringed." They take a literal meaning to it. Glad I don't live in the US anymore.
Auto aiming sounds like a misnomer. Sounds like Auto firing. But that would be confusing too. It doesn't seem like the technology changes the aim of the weapon it seems more like you have to keep attempting to aim it and it picks the right time to release the bullet. There is a safety you have to be pulling the trigger or it won't fire. The feature conveniently overlooked by the naysayers.
Not knowing how it actually works I'm thinking that the dot telling you where to aim is initially set directly by you but then there's an offset calculation involved and what you're given to aim with allows for the difference (how you should aim to hit that point) when the two cross that's when it fires. Just a guess but it seems logical.
The question of whether civilians ( i.e. American gun buying public ) have access to computer aided weapon is almost a "click bait" question, the vast majority of gun owners ignore the NRA "requested" weapon protocols already, and this is excluding those who purposely misuse non-computer aided weapons ( to the misery and death of too many ) on a literal daily basis. Defining and promoting a high caliber multi-shot tactical weapon using a "Smart-Stand-Alone" targeting system as a "hunting rifle" is almost facetious. To call this weapon a hunting rifle was done by the manufacturer solely to prevent anti-gun political concerns, indeed even the NRA's highly efficient and highly paid lobbying group would have an extremely difficult time preventing any regulatory backlash on such a device. Any sniper can understand the battle field and non-battlefield potential behind this system. With a such a weapon using off-market parts to allow a weapon to become fully auto, using a set up with weeks or days in advance, with tripod, cell phone connection, battery power, in any urban "blind" such a user can stand alone meters, or hundreds of kilometers away, paint any target and let the software define the perfect shot, all in real time. That is pretty sophisticated system for hunting "deer".
Tracking Point has been available for years now ... for a price. The Israelis also have their version of this same setup and it's already deployed.
There are small board computers like the Jetson that could be trained rather quickly and cheaply. A lot of the software hurdles just don't exist anymore.
mcx spear also has that now and its smaller
Yes, and the Israeli sights have an special mode for targeting drones, which is impressive.
I didn't know this bit of history. It's easy to see how this technology evolved into the Vortex fire control system that the army just adopted as part of the NGSW program. Cool!
Thank you very much for the video on the scope. I was disappointed that you didn’t expand into the new military vortex scope which appears to have many of the features that this gun / scope had
It reminds me of the Gyro sight in the fighter aircraft of ww2. Great pilots knew how to off set the shot, but most didn't. The gyro sight did this for them.
This brings to mind the 50 cal round that tracked the target with electronics built into it. This would be better for military applications,as it uses regular ammo.
If hunting was a true sport , then no firearms would be allowed , only spears and arrows would be allowed .
This is cool to be honest I saw this in 2011 on UA-cam I was blown away and seeing it again it's amazing
Blown away, just like kids in school..disgusting
This has the capability to be the next crossbow, and that's the best case scenario.
thinking the same exact thing tbh
Yehp, exactly how now purists hate em so will the rifle purists hate this, let em, I’m sure they don’t love my thermal scopes and NV too 😂 opening morning I can go out and scout an track the elk herd in the dark waiting for opening day minute to come and then go boom with a regular glass scope. Meanwhile other guys will have to wait not being able to sneak up a couple hundred yards from a herd. Not my problem, it’s there’s, they’ve banned Thermals from being on the rifle that you take the shot with. But when working as a two man team you can easily carry a rifle a piece, one with a thermal preferably a semi auto .308 that’ll double as a defensive weapon against bears and then you got your hunting rifle with a magnification like say 5-25x in the mountains to bring it together. We’re far from muskets, the iron sight, and now we’re slowly and swiftly moving in to the smart scope era. It’s a beautiful thing, I’ll just go with the flow vs trying to fight it.
Lil Bow peep is close. It’s a digital scope that ranges targets for you for about $400
When you are dependent upon technology, you are compromised. There is no substitute for a properly trained soldier/Marine capable of shooting accurately with open sights at 200,300, and 500 yards.
I always thought these guys got rolled up into DARPA, this kind of tech is right up their alley.
Yea one would assume that the tech they developed was fundamentally sound, it was just the hardware was insecure. A computer aided gun is going to come to market eventually, that's guaranteed (just look at the scope for the XM5), it's just a matter of doing it correctly and in a secure manner. I also doubt you'll be able to keep it out of civilian hands once it exists, because as we all know, you can't stop the signal. Information inherently wants to be free, and with modern 3D printing and computer machining processes, anyone with a small desktop CnC setup could machine and print most of the parts you'd need for a scope like this, and then source the hardware from the open market (because lets be real, the average person isn't going to care as much about security for a DIY project). It all feeds into the same cyberpunk technological future concept, the same as any other smart tech. People will be getting internet connected eye implants and using those as rifle scopes at some point, you bet your ass someone's gonna find a way to make the gun more capable using the same hardware that process all that for you
@@TheOriginalFaxon honestly, it sounded like as long as you remove the wifi you're fine. But since they flogged their coding team to death that also caused product insecurity. If the code team was overworked that would explain all the bugs Remington saw. Since it was developed open source in theory anyone should have been able to get copy now that I think about it....So yea, shut the company down, hoard the IP, join a secret gov't think tank, and we're starting to see the tech in things like Vortex' NGSW-FC and the new Goggles the Army wants. And fwiw, you're right, there WILL be an enhanced cybereye optic that will work just as good as any scope! Just give it 20yrs!
No doubt. Seems kind of strange that the USG wouldn't have *ANY* interest whatsoever in a zero-training weapon that could be handed out in giant crates to untrained insurgents in areas of interest. Seems like a no-brainer great way to turn a local population into an unstoppable overthrow machine, pretty quickly. I don't know, if I had to guess, I'd say you're probably right. Makes sense they'd want this off the market, both to ensure domestic stability by limiting supply, and to promote foreign instability where needed by increasing supply.
@@Mr_Fission I'd like to imagine entire platoons being deployed with this system. In theory you could push the engagement out to 500yds easily. Use a couple drones to guild in artillery...i'd be all over but the crying!
Too cheap for darpa
No wonder that guy missed that deer, using an ole stage coach shotgun at 300 yards...LOL
Not even a fully semi-automatic shotgun.
So we have wall hacks, now we have aimbot, do godmode next.
You skipped grenade spam..
@@cjperry2731 MK-19 and AGS-17 grenade launchers
@@dave_riots lol, yes.. the grenade spammers..
Next up we have the the new exoskeleton suit with armour that can withstand a 50. BMG and jump higher than ever possible.
Lol!
The company was sold to Talon Precision Optics which is still in business and open for sales.
"Hunting" suggests a certain degree of skill that this product takes away. So it's not hunting but slaughter.
Like any technology, the military applications are potentially hugh. Most rounds fired in modern war are to suppress the enemy. If that could be converted to majority guaranteed hits it would be a game changer.
Of course your average elk isn't normally firing back, or able to deploy sensor confusing countermeasures.
Lots of people hunt for food instead of sport. In that case slaughter is entirely a justifiable end. Nature is in essence a free meat department for some families. I have no issue with that. I think it's weird to say using this technology is cheating when we have been using guns. The gun itself is cheating by that standard. Still neither are valid imo. At least not if your purpose is food. If your purpose is sport than yes, it's cheating. Anything past bow hunting would be imo. Sport implies each side had an equal chance of winning. A rifle changes that equation and this scope makes the balance even worse. A bow on the other hand is more equal. So if they want to be picky about it.
If it's for real hunting, it's dinner on the table
The best content, people paying 300$ cable bills to watch the same ol lame stuff, this channel and many others, of course I mean ALL YOUR CHANNELS, are the reason I pretty much just watch YT. Nobody on cable is putting stories like this out there.
I agree we canceled cable and that was not something I anticipated. No regrets.
I haven't watched broadcast TV since 2009, and if there is the occasional TV-based show that I want to watch, I can usually find it either here or on Amazon/etc. I can watch what I want, when I want, in the order I want - watching TV is pointless.
i miss the old future weapons tv show and the military channel
Military application yes, civilian NO! Any security knowledgeable person could have told the WIFI was a bad idea unless heavily encrypted.
Bluetooth maybe, because of limited range, but it too would need to be well secured.
I don't understand how it was considered "cheating for the sport of hunting" I would rather have hunters "cheat" getting a good clean kill shot than inexperienced hunters taking shots that only wound an animal just for it to run off and not be found. Besides at $24k it's not like everyone would be in the woods with one.
It wasn't about hunting. The NRA is a puppet organization that sells out Americans and their rights.
They'll use "hunting" as their basis to ban everything. They'll say shit like we only need guns to hunt therefore we shouldn't have 30 rd magazines or "assault rifles" because it's overkill.
U sure about that? Most Americans would not be able to use this in practical hunting situations...Horrible idea to allow this to the public...remember recent events when a kook decides to shoot innocent people🙊🙉🙈
For now at least, Moore's law dictates it will be cheap enough eventually
@@Utubesux son, have you even hunted once in your life?
@@SilenTHerO78614 Yes Sir...I guess I truly enjoy the whole experience and primal thrill and patience of a hunt...Locals Only🍻
Others have mentioned, its Talon Precision Optics now.
I have personally fired almost every version of this system. 338, 308, 5.56, and I've done it successfully beyond its stated range. We went to a West VA range that had sufficient range and put it in the hands of private security. XE...and devgru. It performed flawlessly. We fired new prototypes as well as existing available products. My buddy wrote about it in marine corps times as a result of this meet up. The Navy ordered 5000 units. Pretty sure they were canceled due to the hacking issues. However...you need to look at them again. They've been back 9nline for some time now. You can order and they will build a system today.
I’ve had the ability to use tracking point and it does work but is limited on rage and is slow to calculate but the claims are valid it’s also spooky not knowing exactly when the rifle will fire
This project will most likely be revived by the US military some decades later in peruse of futuristic sniper scopes that acts like playing Sniper Elite 4 on rookie difficulty
They already have it in a modular version and plan to start rolling it out in a few years. They already have working models magpul is doing the housings
I think a computer aided firearm well really be effective in three main situations. The first is for military long range precision, where it can allow for soldiers to take up a designated marksmen role without haveing to be specially trained for that role. The only training that would be needed is weapons qualification and how to use the scope which would be fairly stright forward. The second is for meat hunting, where putting meat on the table can be the difference between going hungry or not. And the third is for pest control, where again getting the animal down is the main priority. It dose defeat the point of hunting for sport. And outside of the richest military it's going to be to expensive and logistically hard to put on everyone's rifle.
There’s a pretty decent type of body armour that’s been out for a while called Dragon Skin/Scales or something to that effect. It’s modern body armour. VERY effective. You should look into it and do a video on it.
Dragon Scale. Overlapping ceramic disks instead of a chicken plate. Theoretically better because the loss of one disk does not degrade performance as badly as a chicken plate hit in the same area twice.
IIRC, it's expensive, heavy, and must be fit to the wearer.
I heard dragon skin wasn't all it was made out to be.
It will protect you though.
@@Orangesjesus Feels longer. I remember seeing it on future weapons back when History Channel wasn't a reality channel.
The overlapping disks were bonded together with adhesive. The problem with using adhesive was that it degraded in extreme temperatures like those seen in deserts and arctic environments. This issue made it unacceptable for military use. Additionally, the armor had problems stopping bullets fired from certain angles.
I thought he did a video on it on one of his many channels. But as others had said, it was a huge liability cause it didnt always have consistent results. And there were plenty of design defects that caused it to let even pistol rounds pass through at certain angles
It is a give in that a secretive US agency has acquired track point's tech or barring that key people from track point are now working for them. It is the proverbial missing link that will make a future combat system feasible
Anything that can break on the battlefield will break. I do see specific cases where this would be extremely valuable if its as accurate as claimed…
Yeah but that's why you still train the basics.
Scopes are already doing it.
This is nothing more than an optic that adjust for several variables for you. The video referred to it several times as a self-aiming rifle. Though a system like this may be matched to the specific ballistics of a certain rifle, the rifle is still held and manipulated by the user. That user still has to identify targets, hold the rifle steady and have good shooting skills to make this work to its potential. Yes it could help any level of shooter make more hits but it by no means makes them a marksman much less a sniper. A sniper is not defined by their weapon. All said It is an awesome idea and will be developed further as we can see by several other products coming out these days.
And when the voltage runs dry y one is back by being an infantryman needed century old skills
Unfortunate results? What, you miss?! Learning Kentucky windage (leading) as a basic backup should be part of every shooters first lesson (after safe handling instruction). This thing would be great for learning/perfecting the art of leading.
Lol you think 99% of americans that own a gun ever took a safety course on handling a firearm?
@@vampcaff everything taught in firearm safety is common sense if you have any you really dont need to take a course and a course isnt going to help those who are too stupid to learn
I used to have one. They are amazing rifles. The AR weighs like 12 lbs and it takes getting used to watching a digital screen instead of a glass scope. The funny thing is it is not be any means easily tampered with. The Wi-Fi is 30 feet. A hacker has to have a laptop within 30 feet of the scope that has Wi-Fi turned on and they hacked the app not the scope. They literally took one apart and reverse engineered the hardware but still couldn’t get in. They hacked the app. All the hack could do was change the variable for bullet weight and the wind. So they could make the gun miss the target by saying the bullet weighs 999999 grains. Making it over comp and miss the target. The fix was simple. Turn off the Wi-Fi if you see more than 1 user on your screen.
I had the Remington 2020. Once they got the bugs worked out, its truly amazing. They even had a thermal version. And the scope view streamed (Wi-Fi) to a iPad or pair of glasses letting you make precision shots around corners. It was similar to the sentry gun on COD with a little work and a tripod. The price is the problem. 15,000 for a 5.56 is stupid. Now ATN makes a scope that does almost everything the tracking point scope could do and its under 1,000. And yes i have one of those too. Night vision in 4K quality. The tracking point was better, but the atn does most of the things and its actually affordable, and they are still in business so you can send it back for repair if needed. Ike it or not, this is the future of optics
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
Yes, absolutely! Civilians need computerized weapons! They need also small nuke´s, big nuke´s, H-bombs, maschine guns and cars with minimum 1,000 PS!
yes to all
I don't know about you all but I'm pretty sure it's impossible for an algorithm to malfunction. It's possible for a person to come up with an algorithm that doesn't work how they envisioned it to. Damn algorithms! Love the channel.
semantics
an algorithim that meets unknown situations will respond in unknown ways if this leads to a casualty then yeah id call that a malfunction
We train with iron sights and with a map & handheld compass for a reason.
Let's all remember that the tech is only as good as the operator can use it. Never forget that we have to have the theory and foundation solid FIRST. And i for one have to restart my phone 3 times a week just to get it to remember what it is and how to do it.
The US military is doing something similar with Microsoft where they're trying to merge digital analysis with real world combat situations so soldiers know what's going on and can receive orders more efficiently I think they're trying to bring the visor HUD's of halo to real life where you have reticle's, radar ping to detect enemies, and vital signs tracking to see who's wounded or on the brink of death
And it will be unreliable
that functionality could be transferred to cybernetics in the brain so that the shooter instinctively aims and fires without really looking once shooter decides on target
Not to split hairs but a marksman is NOT a sniper. It’s a fraction of the capabilities of what a trained sniper is capable of.
Yep. My old man was career National Guard. He scored marksman with many weapons but he would be the first to tell you he was not a "sniper" by any means.
Well said.
When you're purpose is 2 kill ,why not make it inevitable. Ron Reagan wanted to deploy a neutron bomb, such a weapon would detonate and kill every human and higher life forms in an area equivalent to a normal hydrogen bomb.However it can echieve this without destroying the actual infrastructure. Also the after effects of radiation and fallout would be greatly minimized. The drawbacks of this type of weapon is that the humans in the death zone would not be killed immediately, so it was considered a sort of chemical weapon, if you saw the flash of it you are as good as dead,not then but sone.And the good part about it that 2weeks later your house car etc can be used by the victor.
I’m sure that vortex optics didn’t have a hand in the demise of this company. Seeing as they just got a contract to deliver almost the exact same item to replace all of the existing ACOG optics.
Us gamers would hate that sight you can't see outside the sight at all and the sight itself is small
What's next? Bats that hit home runs in anyones' hands? Unfortunately, if the system fails for any one of numerous reasons, you just strike out.
LUDDITES OF THE WORLD, UNITE!
As long as "civilians" have access to computers, they have access to weaponized computers. For example, as a safety measure, there's a system that can use sound to determine if a steel girder is intact or if that structural member needs replacing. This transducer can be modified to emit a resonate frequency of enough amplitude to cause structural failure. Or the remote ignition feature of modern automobiles can be remotely hacked so that when the car is travelling at highway speeds, the engine shuts off--permanently. Since most of the smart cars have power steering and power brakes, when the engine shuts off the driver loses both steering and brakes. Do you have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what happens next?
The software used in TrackingPoint can be duplicated. How well does a bootleg copy have to work? The biggest secret in making atomic bombs was that fission could be made to work--after that, the next biggest problem was obtaining enough fissionable material. When there just wasn't enough uranium, someone discovered a man-made substitute--plutonium. Are there still incompetents who believe that banning something will put the genie back in the bottle?
^^^THIS^^^
Also, how stupid do you have to be to realize not everything needs WiFi capability? The moment you add that, you create an entire mountain range of security issues.
Ya, not really event that dangerous overall imo. I mean, oh wow it could turn someone who was an amateur into a pro gunman... Not. Yes, it can definitely help them, but they still need to line up, laser and identify the target, and then work to adjust aim. This takes some time, time that any person who spends some time learning to shoot themselves can achieve. Against a human sized target at normal walking speeds or standing or sitting it's not really all that impressive honestly. Still nice, but again, not something lots of people already can do, or anyone can with some time and effort to learn (instead of this super expensive thing). So for crimes... not that big of a deal imo... and most crimes are committed at closer ranges, where this isn't as well suited or important anyway. So yes it could be dangerous... but not really any more dangerous than the already present options, only potentially a bit more dangerous in some specific peoples hands if they are on a time limit perhaps, but still not to a level above what's already normal for many others. While an extreme, it's like saying we can't let people buy wheelchairs because now those who were challenged with mobility can more easily steal stuff and run(roll) away quickly. Like... yes, it might make it easier for some to commit crimes... but not in any way that really matters. Or more relatedly, what about normal scopes at all? Those let people aim at shoot from a distance better, letting people be more dangerous with guns... not relying on really good eyes or stuff, yet that's perfectly normal, it's just something that assists people in using a tool
And for it being hacked. General common sense, if you see or know there's a person where you are pointing the gun... don't shoot regardless. If someone hacks it so the display tells you to adjust off five or ten feet... and miss by five... oh well, you should expect random issues with bullets, random hits on plants or branches or other things that might cause issues, you never fire if there's someone or something important that close to your target normally. So while it'd be annoying if someone screws up your device, it's not that big of a safety concern if you still are a remotely responsible person. And if you aren't... well I don't think you'd do any better with a normal gun that couldn't be hacked.
And honestly, having it be modifiable in software would be a plus for me and many others who would like to try our own tweaks or change parts of it (of coarse, we'd use it cautiously and test thoroughly, never trust it too much like mentioned previously, no firing if people or things you don't want holes in are anywhere roughly down range of your barrel).
Oh, and on making the atomic bombs, there is actually a lot more to it than just packing some radioactive material together, most of the time you do it poorly, you get a ton of radiation and a dirty bomb, but a weak one. Making a good bomb that actually uses up most of the material in it and doesn't just scatter apart and break itself apart before a reaction sets in requires tons of math, testing, and lots of work. There's a reason these programs are so damn expensive, and why nukes are so expensive even for countries that already know how to make them and much more than basic material costs. These things are extremely fine precision pieces of engineering that shouldn't be taken lightly. Though ya, a random pile of it crammed together to make simple critical mass can still devastate a small local area but that's not the WMD type we normally think of and are concerned about then. So random people can still cause disasters easily with some material, but going and making full on large scale weapons... that's a pretty tricky one thankfully.
@@terricon4 his point was that accessing computer tech is easier then finding fissionable materials and that still got replicated and as for use, my head already conceived cheaply produced autonomous drones that could turn an individual into an army and be built on a basic budget so I totally get his concerns even if your argumentative nature can't.....
cutting off an engine at highway speed does not mean you have no steering or brakes if the car has a manual transmission you will still have both as the engine is mechanically coupled to the wheels although as your speed reduces both hydraulic and vacuum assistance will diminish if it is a car with automatic transmission you will lose vacuum braking assistance making braking much harder but a competent driver will slowly ably the parking brake your steering might get heavier without hydraulic assistance but steering will still be possible as hydraulic assistance has its biggest benefit when at low to no speed so both of the examples you give are not really a problem i would be more worried about someone hacking cars with self parking and assuming control of the steering
@@paktahn a lot of vehicles come with electric power steering now. I suppose all that truly needs hacked is that. A sharp turn into oncoming traffic doesn't give you time to react.
When they say a "risk to public safety" they mean its a danger to the alphabet bois and their overlords.
This probably the future of firearms as the components get cheaper, wider availability etc. adding a fingerprint reader, firewalls for the WiFi would help close a few security gaps. Eventually androids will carry weapons like this to hold forward positions or in recon missions. We just need to embrace it, and by the way you can toss that slide rule in the trash can.
Here's a thought.. disable wifi. It was just a bonus feature to allow observation anyways so they wont be losing much by ditching it. Completely disable all wireless conectivity bluetooth or otherwise. Tada..
I bought some 338 Lapua ammo from a guy that had one of these rifles he was telling me about it he had one of the guns he said it was so easy you could put a first time shooter on it and they could ring steel like an expert
Unless this thing was self firing I don't see how messing with the tracking software could do anything really. Sounded like it applied negative pressure against the trigger until rdy you still pulled it. Like an active safety. Almost sounds safer
I think they're _drastically_ underestimating the ability of Privates to fuckup equipment.
What happens when the batteries die?
wifi is the achilles heel of any electronic system.
I think this should have been marketed to the military. Not just for rifles, but door guns on helicopters etc, many applications.
Not sure if it's related, but the Israeli's have their own version of this tech for their military and it was being tested by the US Military in 2020. Smart Shooter Ltd. is the Israeli company.
IIRC, with their version, you pull the trigger and the rifle releases the bolt when the optimal shooting trajectory is achieved.
Personally, going after the lucrative military contracts was the right play. Trying to angle this tech at hunting/civilian use just seemed silly.
/edit not sure what happened to the last post.
"Releasing the bolt" only works for open-bolt weapons (like belt fed machine guns). Shooting from the open bolt is horribly inaccurate, as the weapon moves considerably during the feeding / chambering / locking process, which all happens post bolt release, prior to firing. Perhaps you meant releasing the sear, and therefore firing a closed-bolt weapon? Which I could see happening, and remaining "fairly" accurate.
This never shut down it went into the Military dark projects for the military new rifle...Thanks...Shoe🇺🇸
@DarkTech a new channel under Dark Business would be awesome to hear about all the shady business deals that get passed or almost come to be
We totally should have access to such devices and accessories to help better stand up to tyranny. And for hunting purposes it could be the difference between eating that day or not also.
Yes. The general public should have this tech. If the government has it then the general public needs it.
Twenty six hour shifts are really tough.
This whole system is no doubt already available on the gray Market as a modification kit. It is also certainly in further development by several governments around the world.
"Any loser" - What a fucking weird choice of words. Been around since 2011.
Teach a Man to Shoot, and he will never be hungry. No batteries needed. Still cool TECH.
Enemy is coming with the respawn tec
Dude from American greed had this. This was like 10+ years ago.. it was some insurance company ceo that provided insurance for bars and clubs and was gonna use this on a senator.
wadda hell , aimbot is now real and legal
Now part of Talon Precision optics.
Sounds like the technical basis for Stephen Hunters I Sniper. Still couldn’t beat Bob Lee Swagger.
That's a very fascinating piece of technology.
But it's very difficult to judge the consequences of this rifle being used on a large scale which from a today's perspective is unlikely due to its high price.
In a few years the price will drop significantly imo if more research and money is being invested.
But the general danger will remain. The concern about new technologies like algorithms, "smart" technology etc. is that it could malfunction and could be used for a harmful purpose and therefore injure and kill humans (the user or other people) which is a completely different story when it comes to a "smart" rifle that was literally designed to kill. Sure (weapon) technology evolves but it was mostly used for military only.
Even if the weapon is properly working and used as it should, I still see hacking as a serious problem
This but for a Gustav recoilless riffle and most of the need for Manpads is gone.
The idea isn't lost. I'm sure they are redesigning it for military and civilian use. It was a great concept. Just wasn't executed properly. It definitely raised a few eyebrows I can guarantee.
Imagine getting 1 tapped by some person that doesn't even know how to change magazines
The sad fact is anything with a Wi-Fi connection can be hacked one way or another.. If they had just focused on the precision shooting aspect of thier product, the company would be doing great business! On the other side hunting is a sport and marksmanship is a big part of learning how to hunt so I can see the point that the hunting community has on this subject. Thanks. A disabled US Army Veteran
I remember this system. The government didn't want it and civilians couldn't afford it.
Practice is success. Practice until you can not get it wrong.
its just a wifi chip you can remove it with a soldering iron
Well said mate, thank you for your service.
That would be awesome to have for a gun owner.
Military fr got aimbot now
Civilians should be able to bare any arms they are able to acquire. “Shall not be infringed” the constitution is pretty clear on this sort of thing.
Had followed both this and the military version and talk about great shooting technologies, would love to have 1 or more but way way out of my budget. Biggest fear is a state enemy gets one n copies the technology and uses it against the US military forces ….
Or if used against a tyrannical military force.
WiFi capable with an open source operating system? What could possibly go wrong?
Good luck to Talon Precision Optics moving forward!
That turns LOSERS !?? That's what you're calling those of us who've SERVED ? Okay
I mean people do this in their head not sure why it took so long. Even a basic one with basics like bullet weight, range, barrel length, and temp/humidity
"Recent"? Heck this thing has been out for years.
the military should definatally adopt them. Get a couple of kids to rewrite the code then seal the rifle. I've seen it! they can practically make stuff levitate with their coding skills!
Wow, shooting a gazelle with a shotgun from 300m and missing.
i am no gun nut, i have never shot one myself nor do i wish to, but if this gets into the wrong hands this is a disaster waiting to happen, sure it can be useful for our troops but still
People are such fearful sheep. I am a gun traditionalist, so it's cast lead and short ranges for me, but if my long range shooting buddies want to drop the cash for something like this, then I want them to have it.
This is kind of like AI and 3D printing. They can wring their hands all they want, but the cats are out of the bag and they're not going back in.
Some "experts" worry too much.
Some technologies are too innovative for their own good. Especially if it cuts into the Military Industrial Complex market share.
According to the current SCOTUS, civilians obviously should have these guns as the Constitution states, "the right to bear arms, shall not be infringed." They take a literal meaning to it. Glad I don't live in the US anymore.
Unfortunately illegal in my state.
Good! Skynet was setback a few years!
All with the theme tune of Star Trek : Discovery going on in the background. You're welcome :)
Awesome Video! :)
-- I know a lot about firearms, and I mean a lot. Never heard this story. Know the tech is out there and for a good while. Anyways, thank you.
Auto aiming sounds like a misnomer. Sounds like Auto firing. But that would be confusing too. It doesn't seem like the technology changes the aim of the weapon it seems more like you have to keep attempting to aim it and it picks the right time to release the bullet. There is a safety you have to be pulling the trigger or it won't fire. The feature conveniently overlooked by the naysayers.
Not knowing how it actually works I'm thinking that the dot telling you where to aim is initially set directly by you but then there's an offset calculation involved and what you're given to aim with allows for the difference (how you should aim to hit that point) when the two cross that's when it fires. Just a guess but it seems logical.
The moment he mentioned there's Wi-Fi I thought uh-oh.
So the military made certain they are the only ones to have this technology? 🤔 lol
The question of whether civilians ( i.e. American gun buying public ) have access to computer aided weapon is almost a "click bait" question, the vast majority of gun owners ignore the NRA "requested" weapon protocols already, and this is excluding those who purposely misuse non-computer aided weapons ( to the misery and death of too many ) on a literal daily basis.
Defining and promoting a high caliber multi-shot tactical weapon using a "Smart-Stand-Alone" targeting system as a "hunting rifle" is almost facetious. To call this weapon a hunting rifle was done by the manufacturer solely to prevent anti-gun political concerns, indeed even the NRA's highly efficient and highly paid lobbying group would have an extremely difficult time preventing any regulatory backlash on such a device.
Any sniper can understand the battle field and non-battlefield potential behind this system. With a such a weapon using off-market parts to allow a weapon to become fully auto, using a set up with weeks or days in advance, with tripod, cell phone connection, battery power, in any urban "blind" such a user can stand alone meters, or hundreds of kilometers away, paint any target and let the software define the perfect shot, all in real time.
That is pretty sophisticated system for hunting "deer".
The 2nd Amendment wasn't meant to guarantee rights to hunters.
Deer are crafty. So are Authoritarians.
I’m 99% sure that the US is working on something like this
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Thank you for sharing.
And all the feral hogs said “AMEN.”
I'd love to hear the dollar price on this!
Mainly prototype then production
Maybe in 50-75 years
This rifle is a step towards a robot pmc/police units.
So that’s what’s going on top of the robot dogs