@@ZaberfangX But they will not do that. They insist on wanting developers to develop macOS native games for selling them in the Apple Store, not in another store like Steam or Epic.
i think its important to shout out Whisky. people will try Whisky to run their programs, if it doesn't work, they may try crossover (if its within their $ means) -- i think by not talking about Whisky to try and drive traffic/sales to CrossOver, with the intention of supporting the development of wine is a noble goal, but I think you'd see better results from getting more people on Macs gaming using Whisky, then seeing those people switch to CrossOver as/when they need to. basically i think whisky is a valid sales pipeline to crossover i personally use both crossover and whisky for different programs - but not everyone can afford a license and we shouldn't keep secrets! :)
@@gamerinsaan1794 this is a great reason to use whisky instead, when you run cracked software you're running unofficial code that could theoretically be doing anything - unless you go massively out your way to vet it
Ahh, wait, I thought CrossOver is a subscription? Like, I pay 60 euros for one year, and after that year, I can’t use CrossOver anymore. But as I understand it, I have the latest version of CrossOver released during that year forever?
you can find it less for 60 euros by using aff links, but yes you get a year of updates and get to keep the last version you updated to within that year, forever
What you're paying for with CrossOver is support, not the app itself. When you pay for a license, you get 1 year of updates, following which you will not be able to use future versions until you purchase a new license, but you CAN continue using the latest version that you had while your license was active. For example, if you bought a license last year that expired today, you could continue using version 24.0.5 forever, but you would not be able to upgrade past that until you paid for another license.
Hey! I didn’t know Crossover helped support Wine! I’ve been using and enjoying Whisky for a year, and didn’t know that I was using an older Wine version, either! I’ll buy a crossover license then!
If you are a Mac user and want to keep the adventure going, you have to support the community. If you don't have the money I can understand, but these guys are putting in work to make our struggle possible. I bought crossover after learning more about the company. When I had no money, if I am honest... I still was using crossover through different means. I ended up buying and paying my respect when I could. Save 10 dollars here and there and in no time, you can buy it.
MacBook Air m3 8/256 here, tested with Dragon Ball Sparking Zero and Whisky performs way better, with zero stuttering and 4-5 fps more consistently with standard configuration. Still, the answer is always to have crossover and whisky both installed and try the game you want on both, and then use every game on the app where it works better.
You sold me on CrossOver. Honestly. Mechanical Engineer here, and also I am a programmer. Why you sold me on CrossOver, although I am a person who will not pay for movies, I torrent, I pay for games, I like to support those that help build them, and I hope to keep them employed. Whiskey, at first, was more of what I was looking for, I want to be able to play the games I like to play on my desktop, on my Mac. Why should I have to pay to be able to do this? As a programmer, I want things to just work, not sort of work, but.... just work. Sometimes that comes at a cost. I also like to support those that help me achieve this. While whiskey seems like it gets me close enough, and I could easily just ignore the games that don't work on it, efficiency(time), and overall sweeping effort applied by the team with CrossOver is preferable. Time is money. That is meant in both ways, saving me time on the back end, but also the CrossOver team spending the time to make these things work and keep up that effort. I would also add, I like to support my torrenting community as well. I am about to pick this one up, and now that I have purchased a Macbook, I honestly think when it comes to laptops, this may be my go to for the future, I plan to do reviews, edit videos and coding. I love PC's, and that will never change for gaming, but a Macbook will also be in my repertoire.
I love CrossOver, have purchased a license before, want to support the devs, but the yearly license model is extremely off putting in a landscape of everything being a subscription. It's just really expensive for a lifetime subscription so I completely understand why folks would use Whisky instead. Not sure what the solution is but I think a lot of folks see the "$500 for a *real* license" and get pushed away. It's a tough problem.
I agree, I am CrossOver fan and subscriber and appreciate the work they do. I am especially thankful for the new CrossOver preview releases that allows you to experience what's being worked on for the next stable release. The preview version has increased the number of Windows games you can run on your Mac and made it simpler to install and improve the way some existing games run, such as Elite Dangerous, without the need for manually installing fixes / workarounds and resolved launcher issues.
Hi @mannkeithc, I'm interested in what you're saying about Elite Dangerous. Are you saying that _today_ you're able to play it (the Odyssey version) through CrossOver? This could be (literally) a game changer :)
@@gianlucagrasso4349 Yes, but I am currently running it using the latest version of CrossOver Preview. You install a Steam bottle, log in to Steam and install Elite Dangerous. It is an "out of the box" install, so no additional patches / fixes required. Plus the launcher is fully functional, so you can select which of the game you want to run but it defaults to Odyssey. I enabled Metal graphics support and Msync in CrossOver, but you need to disable Steam Input for the controller to work when Metal graphics is enabled. Shader precompiling is much faster with Metal graphics enabled, plus cockpit details, like red lights in cross bar are fully rendered.
I’ve been happily paying for crossover to support wine for about six years now. Usually I do catch the Black Friday Sale, but I‘ve also payed the full price on occasion.
In one of your Whisky streams you'd mentioned installing your games outside of the bottle, I'm really intrigued by this. Did you ever make a guide about this? BTW your point are great about CrossOver going to make the jump soon. Keep up the good work!
I think for many people the problem is that with new versions of macOS older versions of crossovers might stop to work and then the version purchased with 1 year license might become useless after that. If they would be sure that it at least works as before (but just do not have new features/performance improvements) in few next macOS versions then probably more people would buy it. Also I think that more people would purchase it if it was available through the app store.
I play only one and only specific game (The Isle - with dinosaurs, legacy version) and when I tested it with Crossover around one year ago it didint work. Few weeks ago I tested it with Whisky and it worked quite nice. It sometimes crushes, but fortunately not that often and is playable. Thanks for letting us know about the sales that sometimes happens - I might consider buying crossover in the future. The regular price was too high for me but that huge discount makes it easier.
Good points. For what I am concerned, I use both Crossover (paid license of course) and Whisky. Would be interesting to see where DXVK is heading, as for the time being I don't have any games that I would choose it over GPTK/D3DMetal.
One thing I was surprised to learn, if you pay for a 1 year subscription to crossover, and then never resubscribe, you can use the version of crossover at the end of that year beyond that date, i think forever, obviously with no new updates. Perhaps then you skip a year subscribing then resubscribe when your version when you need it.
A lot of what you said makes sense, but by "restricting" the use of wine to crossover that kind of defeats the purpose of the whole open source motto. It is great that codeweavers contribute this much, but having only one company distributing the newest wine release, even if that company is very responsible, is never a good thing. What's the point of making it open source, if only you are supposed to use it. (I know there are like a thousand asterisks, but I think you know what I mean.) And of course supporting the development of wine as a whole is a great thing for the community, so don't get me wrong guys
I am a whisky user, I play 1-2 games and launch them once every few days, I appreciate what CodeWeavers do for the community and all but I think 60$ a year is a big ask, if it were 20-30$ I wouldn't think twice
I always wondered what if apple would let us use its entire power. They know that jailbreaks were crazy 10 years ago imagine now what crazy things that would hoped if apple would let us help innovate
I wish CrossOver would have better subscription plans for those who don't have budged. Maybe a Lite version with $3 a month, where you could buy on-demand updates when you need actually need them.
I have Crossover 22 from when I bought it years ago and recently found out about Whisky. Need some help deciding, should I use the older Crossover 22 for gaming, or newer Whisky?
Diablo 4: MBA M2 / 8 Core CPU / 8GB RAM / CrossOver / 30-60fps depending on your settings. Beware: 16GB Ram recommended. Changing places on the map with teleportation, or after a while visiting a few dongeons, it becomes unplayable. 10GB swap on the SSD. So I regularly close the game and reopen to clear RAM and Swap on SSD. Finally able to play D4!
I forgot to mention: in order to avoid throttling, I added thermal pads internally. Then externally I am using a very simply 10$ cpu cooler from StarTech 478 with 3pin fan. Added 3 pin to USB adapter and now everything works like a charm! MBA doesn‘t heat up at all anymore
4:45 - I wouldn't. Because gaming on mac is too unstable anyway. That's kinda bad news, for CodeWeivers, but I'm unemployed so don't have money to spend on emulators lol.
Does SteamVR work with crossover or whiskey? I’m wondering if I can stream it to the Apple Vision Pro. Also random does age of empires for play on whiskey or crossover?
Damn kids getting a single $2000 gift these days. That is wild. I don’t think it could be that common though. Better argument would probably be college students who can get a laptop through their student loan, but wouldn’t be allowed to spend that money on a game compatibility layer.
Amazing advertisement for crossover. They don't pay you enough for all those mental gymnastics you took us through. If there is no one paying for crossover, then wine will spiral. Cool story. Like if no one pays for linux, oh way that BS.
Your videos are very useful, thanks mate! Got a question: some games won't start using Whisky and this error message shows up: "Cannot stream required archive data. Please check your network connection." Any idea how to fix it?
What about Mythic? There’s a game that has some issues with Crossover and Whisky but runs great with Mythic: Coral Island Plus for some reason I always had issues with Crossover, or apps don’t run or have bad performance. I have a Mac Studio M1 Max.
@@mitsublinger It literally can't be better. The whole benefit of Crossover is there's an entire team dedicated towards improving mac gaming. They are the ones pushing Wine forward. Think of it as the bleeding edge while all other options are just older versions of Wine.
I don’t believe either CrossOver or Whisky are particularly good solutions to Windows gaming on a Mac. The number of games that actually run bug free, or even run at all, is very small, and seemingly completely random. It’s not just that games won’t run if they are particularly intensive in the graphics department (Cyberpunk 2077, Jedi Fallen Order, and Shadow Warriors 2 all seem to work fine), but it’s not like you can just download all your non-Mac native games and play them with only a hit to frame rate compared to playing them on a similarly specced Windows PC. Games like Dishonored, Bioshock Infinite, Mass Effect Trilogy just won’t work. Also, any game that has a 32-bit binary (which is most games released before around 2015) won’t make use of Apple’s GPTK so even if they do run, performance will be abysmal. There’s no comprehensive list of games that will work fine, so for most people, this will mean a lot of downloading, testing, and deleting of incompatible games; and who has time for that? The future of Mac gaming on Apple Silicon is really looking like a Frankenstein’s monster of different solutions, combining Native ARM, Sourceports, Rosetta 2 translation of 64-bit Mac intel, CrossOver (for some 64-bit Windows games), Wine (usually using PaulTheTall’s The Portingkit for some older 32-bit Windows games from GOG), and Asahi Linux (for any game that has a Linux port, and a whole bunch more Windows games). Between these multiple solutions, we can maybe get around 70% of existing games running acceptably well.
I don't know why Steam doesn't work with Apple directly and integrate their porting kit into Steam for Mac directly. Let's be real, nobody is using anything other than Steam for Windows games on Mac.
Important: Stop supporting these translation layers (if not free), developers think we are windows users and don't really get the real picture of Mac Gaming community and therefore won't be incentivized to develop native titles.
@@Puttis yeah right, Cyberpunk is coming, others will follow suit, crossover will have contributed nothing towards it in the endyeah right, Cyberpunk is coming, others will follow suit, crossover will have contributed nothing towards it in the end
Ill be honest, didn't know if you paid for the £60 one for a year you get to keep it forever, I thought it was a subscription and once it runout you wouldn't be able to use Crossover anymore.
I just subbed. I appreciate the content. Do you know if Crossover is working to integrate the Xbox launcher? They usually have console ready versions of those games which may run better with the workarounds.
In this particular case it is. The main discussion is about the future of mac gaming not only compatibility. Buying CrossOver means participating in this „macgaming project” but of course it is not obligatory. That’s why Whisky is so popular.
Yes and no - Apple Game Porting Toolkit is based on CrossOver (plus tweks from Apple). I've bought CrossOver some time ago and think, it works better than Whisky. I was little dissapointed that my games mostly not work on Whisky. Under CrossOver, maybe it's a placebo, most of my Steam library is working.
I feel like they’re being genuine, they do have a family to support and translating windows games is not exactly an easy task, if it were they’d have a lot more competitors
From what I can see on their website, they aren’t saying CrossOver is open source. They say CrossOver uses WINE which is open source and money from CrossOver goes into WINE. That being said, finances have nothing to do with “open source”. That is why the community has the term “free ‘and’ open source software” or foss, to denote that it is both free financially and open source. It is perfectly acceptable for a creator of open source software to sell their build. Open source≠FOSS
apple should purchase crossover, incorporate it into the os and make it transparent to just run windows apps and games
they won’t they want metal api as a standard
Please NO. Crossover collaborate a lot with the Wine project, and apple will kill that.
apple can do what valve is doing giving support
They should just have a consumer level program based on GPTK that does this
@@ZaberfangX But they will not do that. They insist on wanting developers to develop macOS native games for selling them in the Apple Store, not in another store like Steam or Epic.
i think its important to shout out Whisky. people will try Whisky to run their programs, if it doesn't work, they may try crossover (if its within their $ means) -- i think by not talking about Whisky to try and drive traffic/sales to CrossOver, with the intention of supporting the development of wine is a noble goal, but I think you'd see better results from getting more people on Macs gaming using Whisky, then seeing those people switch to CrossOver as/when they need to. basically i think whisky is a valid sales pipeline to crossover
i personally use both crossover and whisky for different programs - but not everyone can afford a license and we shouldn't keep secrets! :)
Great point. For some whisky can be the gateway drug
@@zerominuseleven this is a far more elegant way of saying what i'm getting at, yes!
i just cracked crossover
@@gamerinsaan1794 this is a great reason to use whisky instead, when you run cracked software you're running unofficial code that could theoretically be doing anything - unless you go massively out your way to vet it
How much CrossOver costs?
Well said, we need to support CrossOver
They make money with Valve no?
@ who? Ho invest time to code needs to be paid, especially if their work is beneficial to all.
@@RiccardoMerloVegan They make money with Proton, I bought it once, I did my part
Ahh, wait, I thought CrossOver is a subscription? Like, I pay 60 euros for one year, and after that year, I can’t use CrossOver anymore. But as I understand it, I have the latest version of CrossOver released during that year forever?
you can find it less for 60 euros by using aff links, but yes you get a year of updates and get to keep the last version you updated to within that year, forever
Mno. You had to pay every year. Like me.
What you're paying for with CrossOver is support, not the app itself. When you pay for a license, you get 1 year of updates, following which you will not be able to use future versions until you purchase a new license, but you CAN continue using the latest version that you had while your license was active.
For example, if you bought a license last year that expired today, you could continue using version 24.0.5 forever, but you would not be able to upgrade past that until you paid for another license.
@@wileysneak where can I find these links? Are they safe tho ?
@@mario.crn_ andrew himself has done crossover promotions in the past with % off deals
Hey! I didn’t know Crossover helped support Wine! I’ve been using and enjoying Whisky for a year, and didn’t know that I was using an older Wine version, either! I’ll buy a crossover license then!
If you are a Mac user and want to keep the adventure going, you have to support the community. If you don't have the money I can understand, but these guys are putting in work to make our struggle possible. I bought crossover after learning more about the company. When I had no money, if I am honest... I still was using crossover through different means. I ended up buying and paying my respect when I could. Save 10 dollars here and there and in no time, you can buy it.
MacBook Air m3 8/256 here, tested with Dragon Ball Sparking Zero and Whisky performs way better, with zero stuttering and 4-5 fps more consistently with standard configuration. Still, the answer is always to have crossover and whisky both installed and try the game you want on both, and then use every game on the app where it works better.
Hey I was wondering what's the heating and battery life like if you game ?...I have the same Machine
You sold me on CrossOver. Honestly. Mechanical Engineer here, and also I am a programmer. Why you sold me on CrossOver, although I am a person who will not pay for movies, I torrent, I pay for games, I like to support those that help build them, and I hope to keep them employed. Whiskey, at first, was more of what I was looking for, I want to be able to play the games I like to play on my desktop, on my Mac. Why should I have to pay to be able to do this? As a programmer, I want things to just work, not sort of work, but.... just work. Sometimes that comes at a cost. I also like to support those that help me achieve this. While whiskey seems like it gets me close enough, and I could easily just ignore the games that don't work on it, efficiency(time), and overall sweeping effort applied by the team with CrossOver is preferable. Time is money. That is meant in both ways, saving me time on the back end, but also the CrossOver team spending the time to make these things work and keep up that effort. I would also add, I like to support my torrenting community as well. I am about to pick this one up, and now that I have purchased a Macbook, I honestly think when it comes to laptops, this may be my go to for the future, I plan to do reviews, edit videos and coding. I love PC's, and that will never change for gaming, but a Macbook will also be in my repertoire.
I love CrossOver, have purchased a license before, want to support the devs, but the yearly license model is extremely off putting in a landscape of everything being a subscription. It's just really expensive for a lifetime subscription so I completely understand why folks would use Whisky instead. Not sure what the solution is but I think a lot of folks see the "$500 for a *real* license" and get pushed away. It's a tough problem.
Right I think $300 would be an easier sell by far. Nobody that cares about money wants a subscription license
I would love to see the same comparison, but between crossover and parallels desktop.
Every time I think about wanting a comparison or a game, this guy delivers amazing content the very next day! Keep up the awesome work!
I agree, I am CrossOver fan and subscriber and appreciate the work they do. I am especially thankful for the new CrossOver preview releases that allows you to experience what's being worked on for the next stable release. The preview version has increased the number of Windows games you can run on your Mac and made it simpler to install and improve the way some existing games run, such as Elite Dangerous, without the need for manually installing fixes / workarounds and resolved launcher issues.
Hi @mannkeithc, I'm interested in what you're saying about Elite Dangerous. Are you saying that _today_ you're able to play it (the Odyssey version) through CrossOver? This could be (literally) a game changer :)
@@gianlucagrasso4349 Yes, but I am currently running it using the latest version of CrossOver Preview. You install a Steam bottle, log in to Steam and install Elite Dangerous. It is an "out of the box" install, so no additional patches / fixes required. Plus the launcher is fully functional, so you can select which of the game you want to run but it defaults to Odyssey. I enabled Metal graphics support and Msync in CrossOver, but you need to disable Steam Input for the controller to work when Metal graphics is enabled. Shader precompiling is much faster with Metal graphics enabled, plus cockpit details, like red lights in cross bar are fully rendered.
I’ve been happily paying for crossover to support wine for about six years now. Usually I do catch the Black Friday Sale, but I‘ve also payed the full price on occasion.
Thanks, I’m a lock for Crossover now
In one of your Whisky streams you'd mentioned installing your games outside of the bottle, I'm really intrigued by this. Did you ever make a guide about this? BTW your point are great about CrossOver going to make the jump soon. Keep up the good work!
I think for many people the problem is that with new versions of macOS older versions of crossovers might stop to work and then the version purchased with 1 year license might become useless after that. If they would be sure that it at least works as before (but just do not have new features/performance improvements) in few next macOS versions then probably more people would buy it. Also I think that more people would purchase it if it was available through the app store.
I play only one and only specific game (The Isle - with dinosaurs, legacy version) and when I tested it with Crossover around one year ago it didint work. Few weeks ago I tested it with Whisky and it worked quite nice. It sometimes crushes, but fortunately not that often and is playable. Thanks for letting us know about the sales that sometimes happens - I might consider buying crossover in the future. The regular price was too high for me but that huge discount makes it easier.
Good points. For what I am concerned, I use both Crossover (paid license of course) and Whisky. Would be interesting to see where DXVK is heading, as for the time being I don't have any games that I would choose it over GPTK/D3DMetal.
One thing I was surprised to learn, if you pay for a 1 year subscription to crossover, and then never resubscribe, you can use the version of crossover at the end of that year beyond that date, i think forever, obviously with no new updates. Perhaps then you skip a year subscribing then resubscribe when your version when you need it.
A lot of what you said makes sense, but by "restricting" the use of wine to crossover that kind of defeats the purpose of the whole open source motto. It is great that codeweavers contribute this much, but having only one company distributing the newest wine release, even if that company is very responsible, is never a good thing. What's the point of making it open source, if only you are supposed to use it. (I know there are like a thousand asterisks, but I think you know what I mean.)
And of course supporting the development of wine as a whole is a great thing for the community, so don't get me wrong guys
bro he himself is an ambassador for crossover, look at the description of any of the videos (or even the content), atleast he is open about it.
I am a whisky user, I play 1-2 games and launch them once every few days, I appreciate what CodeWeavers do for the community and all but I think 60$ a year is a big ask, if it were 20-30$ I wouldn't think twice
for crossover when i installed elden ring i couldn't play because there was an error and it did not atomatic run the offline for fme
This video being secretly sponsored by crossover
Code Weavers should be working on a deal to sell to Apple. Valve will Control Linux PC Gaming and Proton/Linux Wine and Apple will own the Mac Wine.
Codeweavers are good guys, they offer lifetime licences.
For almost FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS. that's like if I bought a mac mini then bought a whole another one just to play games. just pirate it.
@@merbudd that's what I did lmao, paying $500 for some software that can emulate games? get fucked LMFAO
I always wondered what if apple would let us use its entire power. They know that jailbreaks were crazy 10 years ago imagine now what crazy things that would hoped if apple would let us help innovate
I wish CrossOver would have better subscription plans for those who don't have budged. Maybe a Lite version with $3 a month, where you could buy on-demand updates when you need actually need them.
I have Crossover 22 from when I bought it years ago and recently found out about Whisky. Need some help deciding, should I use the older Crossover 22 for gaming, or newer Whisky?
Im sold, I'll go ahead and support crossover
Diablo 4: MBA M2 / 8 Core CPU / 8GB RAM / CrossOver / 30-60fps depending on your settings.
Beware: 16GB Ram recommended. Changing places on the map with teleportation, or after a while visiting a few dongeons, it becomes unplayable. 10GB swap on the SSD. So I regularly close the game and reopen to clear RAM and Swap on SSD. Finally able to play D4!
I forgot to mention: in order to avoid throttling, I added thermal pads internally. Then externally I am using a very simply 10$ cpu cooler from StarTech 478 with 3pin fan. Added 3 pin to USB adapter and now everything works like a charm! MBA doesn‘t heat up at all anymore
Is it possible to play with an Xbox controller on a steam game through crossover without issues?
Wait, I am using Whiskey on my Mac mini 4 today with Steam and just played HL2 & Portal 2
you forgot something you could have mentioned in the video, as native games come to mace crossover and wishkey will be history
How do both of these compare to Asahi + Proton?
after watching so many videos from you about crossover, I will wait for cybermonday, it's the cheapest time to get it right?
4:45 - I wouldn't. Because gaming on mac is too unstable anyway. That's kinda bad news, for CodeWeivers, but I'm unemployed so don't have money to spend on emulators lol.
Does SteamVR work with crossover or whiskey? I’m wondering if I can stream it to the Apple Vision Pro. Also random does age of empires for play on whiskey or crossover?
Mac gamers: having a $2k+ Mac but not able to "afford" a Crossover license 🤨
A lot of kids get them as gifts from family + if you can why not save money
Damn kids getting a single $2000 gift these days. That is wild. I don’t think it could be that common though. Better argument would probably be college students who can get a laptop through their student loan, but wouldn’t be allowed to spend that money on a game compatibility layer.
Because this stuff only exists if you support the developers @@alexele9121
@@destructodisk9074 Would certainly be interesting to see a demographic breakdown on the Mac gaming community.
I own $3k Mac beacuse I know how to save money
Amazing advertisement for crossover. They don't pay you enough for all those mental gymnastics you took us through. If there is no one paying for crossover, then wine will spiral. Cool story. Like if no one pays for linux, oh way that BS.
Rivals of Aeather 2 runs fine on Whiskey with no setting changes but is unplayable on crossover
How to run Revit or AutoDisk windows version on Mac (the easiest option)
I wanted to ask something, can crossover run Softwares like Xilinix and such
Your videos are very useful, thanks mate!
Got a question: some games won't start using Whisky and this error message shows up: "Cannot stream required archive data. Please check your network connection." Any idea how to fix it?
You can get Parallels for like $80 forever it actually runs windows and every game that you can run on windows will work
parallels is slow and is trash at emulating games
@ i have had not a single issue with it over the last 2 years
@@The_LilViking imo crossover is a better option
@@bryce7289is it cheaper?
Nah, try VMWare Fusion, both can run DX11 games, and Fusion doesn't have the limitations of Parallels Lifetime.
What about Mythic? There’s a game that has some issues with Crossover and Whisky but runs great with Mythic: Coral Island
Plus for some reason I always had issues with Crossover, or apps don’t run or have bad performance. I have a Mac Studio M1 Max.
What are you talking about? Mythic's own web page says it's powered by Whisky...
@@EverRusting even being based on whisky would be nice to know if it’s worth. Like if it’s better and differences
MythicEngine is a fork of Whisky-App/wine
@@mitsublinger It literally can't be better. The whole benefit of Crossover is there's an entire team dedicated towards improving mac gaming. They are the ones pushing Wine forward. Think of it as the bleeding edge while all other options are just older versions of Wine.
2:40 I have this message pop up and can launch the game (Sea of Thieves) can you help me fix it. Thanks
what do you think about parallels ?
I don’t believe either CrossOver or Whisky are particularly good solutions to Windows gaming on a Mac. The number of games that actually run bug free, or even run at all, is very small, and seemingly completely random. It’s not just that games won’t run if they are particularly intensive in the graphics department (Cyberpunk 2077, Jedi Fallen Order, and Shadow Warriors 2 all seem to work fine), but it’s not like you can just download all your non-Mac native games and play them with only a hit to frame rate compared to playing them on a similarly specced Windows PC. Games like Dishonored, Bioshock Infinite, Mass Effect Trilogy just won’t work. Also, any game that has a 32-bit binary (which is most games released before around 2015) won’t make use of Apple’s GPTK so even if they do run, performance will be abysmal. There’s no comprehensive list of games that will work fine, so for most people, this will mean a lot of downloading, testing, and deleting of incompatible games; and who has time for that?
The future of Mac gaming on Apple Silicon is really looking like a Frankenstein’s monster of different solutions, combining Native ARM, Sourceports, Rosetta 2 translation of 64-bit Mac intel, CrossOver (for some 64-bit Windows games), Wine (usually using PaulTheTall’s The Portingkit for some older 32-bit Windows games from GOG), and Asahi Linux (for any game that has a Linux port, and a whole bunch more Windows games). Between these multiple solutions, we can maybe get around 70% of existing games running acceptably well.
why can't I get similar Elden ring performance with crossover ? I get maximum 40 fps
m4 pro
@@dr.python i have managed to solve the issue by enabling m-sync and i don’t know what it means
I don't know why Steam doesn't work with Apple directly and integrate their porting kit into Steam for Mac directly. Let's be real, nobody is using anything other than Steam for Windows games on Mac.
Important: Stop supporting these translation layers (if not free), developers think we are windows users and don't really get the real picture of Mac Gaming community and therefore won't be incentivized to develop native titles.
Just pirate them lol, but not supporting them and expecting windows developers to give a crap about Mac users is kinda silly lol.
@@Puttis yeah right, Cyberpunk is coming, others will follow suit, crossover will have contributed nothing towards it in the endyeah right, Cyberpunk is coming, others will follow suit, crossover will have contributed nothing towards it in the end
Ill be honest, didn't know if you paid for the £60 one for a year you get to keep it forever, I thought it was a subscription and once it runout you wouldn't be able to use Crossover anymore.
Wait what?
wait... but it's a subscription at that price, no? Website states that
If they want more support, they need to lower their prices
Why not parallels? One time payment.
Wineskin for me, the lifetime crossover version is 500€, I'd rather build a PC and use Bazzite
Same here or Parallels
They need to allow devs to create games for Mac natively AND DISYTIBUTE THEM OUT OF THE APPSTORE! They too greedy for money
Apple should reach out to Rockstar & have a native GTA VI release in time for their M5 chips.
I think anyone who can afford a Mac that can run games, can probably afford to buy Crossover.
Thanks.
Anyone who says they can't afford crossover while owning a MAC... really...?
Why the performance is so horrible and stuttery on Mac ?
Thank you for the discount code ^_________^
I just subbed. I appreciate the content. Do you know if Crossover is working to integrate the Xbox launcher? They usually have console ready versions of those games which may run better with the workarounds.
should've compared fps
Which one is free?
Whisky
@@mitsublinger And wineskin, but you're on your own
I download Crossover for free lol
Fr. this video is actually mad biased
Crossover have a free trial @@toastonastick9381
comparing free app with paid one is not fair
Why? We know one is free but we are talking about compatibility and performance. Indeed a a paid solution could have an advantage here.
In this particular case it is. The main discussion is about the future of mac gaming not only compatibility. Buying CrossOver means participating in this „macgaming project” but of course it is not obligatory. That’s why Whisky is so popular.
Yes and no - Apple Game Porting Toolkit is based on CrossOver (plus tweks from Apple). I've bought CrossOver some time ago and think, it works better than Whisky. I was little dissapointed that my games mostly not work on Whisky. Under CrossOver, maybe it's a placebo, most of my Steam library is working.
@@oyski I bought it once, I hate subscription model so I'll use the free options from now on
If someone tells you that their software is open source, but it is locked behind a paywall, they are lying to you! Period. Even CodeWeavers.
I feel like they’re being genuine, they do have a family to support and translating windows games is not exactly an easy task, if it were they’d have a lot more competitors
From what I can see on their website, they aren’t saying CrossOver is open source. They say CrossOver uses WINE which is open source and money from CrossOver goes into WINE.
That being said, finances have nothing to do with “open source”. That is why the community has the term “free ‘and’ open source software” or foss, to denote that it is both free financially and open source.
It is perfectly acceptable for a creator of open source software to sell their build. Open source≠FOSS
Libre software doesn't need to be gratis.
Though they'd better say open core for crossover
CrossOver isn't just wrapping WINE, they make lots of modifications on top that aren't open source
You can still download Wine and use that. Crossover is just for those who don’t want to mess with it.