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  • @thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930
    @thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930 4 роки тому +36

    The Tenet subtitles will probably be blurry

  • @TheWingusDingus
    @TheWingusDingus 4 роки тому +92

    I blame MovieBlob for the starving kids in Africa. A single day of MovieBlob's diet could feed them for 3 years.

    • @kevinmorthorst521
      @kevinmorthorst521 4 роки тому +6

      The wasted millions pumped into the horrendous movies made by The Asylum could probably bring the entire third world out of poverty.

    • @keegobricks9734
      @keegobricks9734 4 роки тому +1

      @@kevinmorthorst521 No it wouldn't, they'd just be poor again in a year or two because you never solved the problem in the first place that they aren't able to sustain themselves properly.

  • @kl8455
    @kl8455 4 роки тому +37

    Diabeeto and the other apologists should get investigated.

  • @theaverageDon
    @theaverageDon 4 роки тому +18

    My voice-mail message with MauLer's voice would be: "What'd you bring me?"

  • @HERITAGE12
    @HERITAGE12 4 роки тому +40

    The openings keep getting better and better 😂 😂 😂

    • @venom6848
      @venom6848 4 роки тому +5

      Agree 100% Now stop eating my sesame cake!!! 🤔

    • @derekmcmanus8615
      @derekmcmanus8615 4 роки тому +2

      Pierry Chan is the gift that keeps on giving!

  • @DarthEvilicus
    @DarthEvilicus 4 роки тому +26

    I have a Pierry Chan idea: have the scene from the dark knight where the joker talks about not having a plan and superimposing Kathleen Kennedy’s head on him

    • @The_child-catcher
      @The_child-catcher 4 роки тому +2

      I like the idea but I don't think it would work. Unlike Kathleen the joker succeeded at what he tried to do.

    • @DarthEvilicus
      @DarthEvilicus 4 роки тому +1

      telethea the end bringer actually he didn’t succeed. He didn’t get the people to turn on each other like he had planned (the two boats)

  • @OmegaBurst
    @OmegaBurst 4 роки тому +16

    >fnt with Rags and Mauler
    >under 8 hours
    *unsubscribes*

  • @sammydray5919
    @sammydray5919 4 роки тому +24

    Of course the one live episode I missed is probably one of the best one yet 😂😂😂

  • @berserkshirtbear1271
    @berserkshirtbear1271 4 роки тому +20

    The creators of Back to the Future said they won't make sequels or remakes, luckily.

    • @DonnaCPunk
      @DonnaCPunk 4 роки тому +8

      As long as Zemekis and the other dude who wrote the scripts with him are living, they can't touch BTTF. Hopefully their Estates won't let it happen when theyre gone either.

  • @LisaGrimm-LG
    @LisaGrimm-LG 4 роки тому +21

    Disney: Avengers Endgame is the most ambitious crossover in history!
    FNT and EFAP: *hold our rhino milk*

  • @oldmangimp2468
    @oldmangimp2468 4 роки тому +13

    Totally unrelated comment:
    .
    You know you're old when someone says "Greta", and your first thought is "Garbo", not "Thunberg".

  • @orenalbertmeisel3127
    @orenalbertmeisel3127 4 роки тому +11

    1:05:46 according to Wookieepedia's hyperspace article: "Hyperspace travel was mastered as early as four millennia before the Cold war, as demonstrated by the existence of hyperspace sextants from that era." The source for this claim is the Force Awakens Visual Dictionary, which means this is canon.
    What this means is that hyperspace travel existed at least 4 thousand years before TFA

    • @Sigismund697
      @Sigismund697 4 роки тому

      So the new canon is that galactic civilization is less than 4000 years old?

  • @Dilios_of_Sparta
    @Dilios_of_Sparta 4 роки тому +7

    ODIN!!!
    Stop eating my sesame cake!!

  • @thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930
    @thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930 4 роки тому +12

    Rags, bro you make me laugh. In the good way. Great sense of humor

  • @sacrebleuthedeadlypokeofzo8566
    @sacrebleuthedeadlypokeofzo8566 4 роки тому +7

    Regarding 2020 Mulan's "chi": It was so Disney can shoehorn in the old Feminist "Burn The Witch!" trope like they always do with their princess movies now. "2020 Mulan" introduced magic in the form of "chi" as a way to fight the patriarchy. No joke. Rags mentions that in "2020 Mulan" a woman having "chi" (magic) is seen as a "witch" and threatening to the patriarchal society in which she lives (which, as far as I'm aware, is not how traditional Chinese religions viewed spirituality or how "chi" is supposed to work). "2017 Beauty and the Beast" gave us identical (and horrendously historically innacurate) lore when it came to Belle's level of education. In that film -- which depicted Enlightenment-era France as if it were Boko Haram territory -- Belle's "chi" (magic) is knowledge, but, as a woman, she must live in fear of displaying it because (in that alternate universe) an intelligent woman in 18th century Europe is seen as a witch-level abomination who also poses a threat to the patriarchal society in which she lives (because apparently the Renaissance never happened, or something).
    Both stories are about repressed female power, the inherent repressiveness of male-dominated societies, and female rebellion being the only course of action. These themes did not exist in the 1998 "Mulan" or the 1991 "Beauty and the Beast", which is why their heroines were more grounded and not superpowered -- no superpowers, no Feminist "Burn The Witch!" narrative. In the original animated films, the heroines struggled with realistic limitations that anyone, anywhere, could relate to. In the NuDisney remakes, their limitations are always the result of ideological misogynist extremists, imaginary mobs of ignorant men ready to burn them at the stake for daring to be a Strong Independent Woman(TM) with Magical Woman Powers(TM). Every NuDisney film features this "Burn The Witch!" trope, as part of its anti-patriarchy, anti-Western-culture propaganda. This is why 2020 Mulan has "chi" -- magic -- so that the men around her can cry "Burn The Witch!" (figuratively, at least) and we the audience can boo men, as well as boo tradition, religion, culture -- in other words, all the things that the soulless Marxists in Hollywood who make these films hate.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 4 роки тому

      don't give them any credit by saying "apparently the renaissance never happened", witches had nothing to do with knowing things or not. it was defined as consorting with demons and satanism. there were plenty of smart women pre-renaissance that weren't decried as witches. infact the records we have
      a) show that relatively few people were killed as witches (only a few hundred people over a fairly long period of time) although they were killed without proper due process (and quite horrifically)
      b) most witch accusers (the witnesses) were women, and there were male witches, ie it wasn't a tool of the patriarchy to control women, but probably more often then not women abusing the system to get rid of people they didn't like.
      the idea this purgeing of witches was frequent and against any small thing is just wrong.

  • @nightrealms7511
    @nightrealms7511 4 роки тому +6

    When the majority of the world deems Cuties wrong its wrong, race and religion doesnt even come into it. Supporters on Netflix and Twitter you are wrong.

  • @gadfly9376
    @gadfly9376 4 роки тому +39

    Fantastic intros lately, it massively improves your 'brand'.

  • @bobthesnowdog9972
    @bobthesnowdog9972 4 роки тому +27

    The amount of Hi Rags in the comment section in the next few hours

    • @kreese-yi2nb
      @kreese-yi2nb 4 роки тому +4

      And rightfully so.
      Also - Hi Rags!

  • @blackdragon5478
    @blackdragon5478 4 роки тому +9

    Like a said before, how do you destroy the culture of a country. Destroy their mythologies, destroy their celebrated heroes & heroine. How do you do it, get activist inside a beloved industry. Well Starwars, StarTrek, and DrWho too late.
    I wish there would be a counter to these people.
    Anyways nice livestream, I missed it though.

  • @johnellisbushbush
    @johnellisbushbush 4 роки тому +22

    Wait Mexican Dave Batista was the fake knight of Ren? Hey Daisy was that part of the plan?

  • @starbugmechanic5236
    @starbugmechanic5236 4 роки тому +4

    The next gremlins movie will be all about that gremlin that was wearing lipstick.

    • @kwazhims3lf
      @kwazhims3lf 4 роки тому +1

      [queue flashback]
      "i'm the lipstick gremlin, this is my story... i just made it to france, 11 years old, ready to booty dance. man keepin me down. well, i'm here to twerk and take down the patriarchy"
      man im good at this, i'm off to hollywood wish me luck

    • @starbugmechanic5236
      @starbugmechanic5236 4 роки тому +1

      kwazhims3lf good luck little twerking lipstick gremlin.

  • @patrickm1695
    @patrickm1695 4 роки тому +22

    FNT blessed by the toxic brood

  • @irishchancer2687
    @irishchancer2687 4 роки тому +9

    This is my hangover food

  • @lordchaosmonkey552
    @lordchaosmonkey552 4 роки тому +15

    Efap on fnt?
    Awesome!!
    Such a pity az couldn't be on too

  • @eddiegaltek
    @eddiegaltek 4 роки тому +11

    Rags, "Even the Russians don'y like it." Come on Rags even the Pineapple on Pizza People don't like it!

    • @drakich1
      @drakich1 4 роки тому

      What about Cheese Pizza people?

    • @DarthRamzes
      @DarthRamzes 4 роки тому +3

      I never thought I would fight side by side with Pineapple on Pizza Lover.

    • @scottski02
      @scottski02 4 роки тому +2

      @@DarthRamzes what about side by side with a friend?

    • @DarthRamzes
      @DarthRamzes 4 роки тому

      @@scottski02 Aye, I could do that.

  • @anthonyfava9367
    @anthonyfava9367 4 роки тому +3

    Taxi Driver touched on child sexual exploitation without explicitly showing it. The movie also paired sexualization of society with its decay and inner rot. Clockwork Orange (both movie and novel) paired violent sex and sexual impulse with violent personality. Violence was also widespread and rampant.
    So a movie can be made about sexualizing children and not show it (with child actors) while being a social commentary.

  • @finbarhooley3536
    @finbarhooley3536 4 роки тому +8

    Mauler and Rags on FNT Hell YEAH!!! Also, Hi Rags!

  • @imangryatnews7858
    @imangryatnews7858 4 роки тому +19

    Friday night tights! Yeah! Rags!

  • @Chronos371
    @Chronos371 4 роки тому +1

    Robert Zemeckis essentially said, "FUCK that, they will never touch Back to the future."

  • @dandansen4261
    @dandansen4261 4 роки тому +1

    That miners joke Rags made did not get the laugh it deserved. That was fucking hilarious.

  • @johnbrowne3518
    @johnbrowne3518 4 роки тому

    Mars? Tell moviebob "Go to Uranus!" @ 44:26 - LOL! That had to be the WORST Walter Brennan impression EVER!!!! DAG NABBIT!!!

  • @FemboyMisa
    @FemboyMisa 4 роки тому +2

    The people who made and distributed Cuties should be arrested for creating and distributing cp.

  • @sarahbak3818
    @sarahbak3818 4 роки тому +6

    Hi Rags! We love you!

  • @thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930
    @thekcsugethe_kc_suge7930 4 роки тому +7

    Wow. This is first time I’ve watched your show. That is a brilliant opening. Really really well well done 👍🏼

  • @beardedbjorn5520
    @beardedbjorn5520 4 роки тому +8

    The odd thing with Star Wars Theory is that he started off making fun of TLJ in his earlier videos, and used to laugh at how bad they were. Then the last 2 years his position completely changed. He realised what his main audiences ages were, and completely flipped to cash in. Pretty much after his fan film, when he got involved with Lucas Film that he became a shill.

    • @beardedbjorn5520
      @beardedbjorn5520 4 роки тому +4

      Honey Badger yeah, his lore videos were great. When he first started he even talked to me privately about what EU books I should look at when I first started getting into it.

  • @Reso205
    @Reso205 4 роки тому +4

    Screen Rant Pitch Meeting is how Hollywood movies get written and approved
    He's joking but thats probably how it goes

  • @bitemyshinymetalass1434
    @bitemyshinymetalass1434 4 роки тому +12

    10 mins in and I wished I had stayed up last night to watch this live, but at least I will be able to enjoy it at my leisure this weekend.

  • @essexexile
    @essexexile 4 роки тому +16

    And boom the sequel 😂Jesus Christ I shouldn’t have laughed so hard but it did.

  • @abstractnonsense3253
    @abstractnonsense3253 4 роки тому +2

    I have to say your meme intros and your main intro are top

  • @Nightheven123
    @Nightheven123 4 роки тому +2

    Nice to see an EFAP and FNT crossower! Pretty damn good rat it was.
    On another note... for a desent chunk of time i tried so hard to remember that song from an Odin's cake/pizza intro part, but just couldn't. Anyone can tell what was the original? I sweart to god i heared it so many times but its name just eludes me, and i couldn't remember any other part of the song exept for the one that was here...

  • @thetextbookgamer
    @thetextbookgamer 4 роки тому +1

    Does anyone know the one they're talking about when mauler and rags said they went into a tlj defender podcast?

  • @allimbeck1354
    @allimbeck1354 4 роки тому +1

    Senator Ted Cruz and other senator want the Department of Justice to investigate Cuties and Netflix and who was involved in making the movie

  • @soil-ew2nv
    @soil-ew2nv 4 роки тому +30

    Can we just kick Jeremy and have Rags' take his place on the panel?
    Also, hi Rags'!

    • @alejandromolinac
      @alejandromolinac 4 роки тому +7

      Love Rags cause he’s funny and dickish, irreverent and naughty..... Jeremy just yaps about himself....

    • @amanibob1416
      @amanibob1416 4 роки тому +5

      I like both, plus we've got EFAP... Need more Rag'$? Ask for more EFAP, arrrg'ably!

  • @nickn5870
    @nickn5870 4 роки тому

    really enjoyed this one thanks!

  • @stealthcat4126
    @stealthcat4126 4 роки тому +4

    Nerdrotic.....Razorfist......One on One......2 hours......We need this....Let It be Done. lol

    • @beardedbjorn5520
      @beardedbjorn5520 4 роки тому

      YES!!!!!!

    • @DonnaCPunk
      @DonnaCPunk 4 роки тому +1

      I'm surprised Razor hasn't made it to EFAP. Or I missed it.

    • @beardedbjorn5520
      @beardedbjorn5520 4 роки тому +1

      @@DonnaCPunk He hasn't been on yet. Mauler had planned to get him on, but Wolf hates him and chucked a bit of a tizzy. So nothing happened. But with Wolf gone now, they should have him on again. I know Rags'sss likes him.

  • @Shuxy
    @Shuxy 4 роки тому

    STOP EATING MY SESAME CAKE!!!!

  • @nuruddinshah684
    @nuruddinshah684 4 роки тому +10

    So with 157 comment m
    Most say "Hi Rags"
    Then I will be
    Hi Mooler
    Edit
    Is this a new Toxic brood?

  • @Fludded
    @Fludded 4 роки тому +1

    Lord & Miller just had a different approach and used impro too much. It led to delays and crews not able to prep sets and kit in time to shoot. It wasn’t a criticism of them, it’s a criticism of whoever picked them for the project.

  • @FunkMastaMegaFlex
    @FunkMastaMegaFlex 4 роки тому +1

    Banana for brains John B will retire as Finn. No studio in the right mind would even send him a text message if he might be interested in playing any character.

  • @Shuxy
    @Shuxy 4 роки тому

    They are talking about a Captain America skit that already exists on UA-cam, lol. Someone should tell them

  • @oldmangimp2468
    @oldmangimp2468 4 роки тому

    Diabeto is just upset that Marilyn Chambers has not appeared behind his green door.

  • @amanibob1416
    @amanibob1416 4 роки тому +2

    Praised be The Don! Another good piece of content with the EFAPers in it?! I'll take it, arrrg'ably...
    Ps: ☝🤓👍

  • @mrjones29
    @mrjones29 4 роки тому +1

    Grace Randolph despite her crazy cat hair isn't even relevant to bring her up in your chat. Her forced cringefest love-in for Mulan (2020) on Sept 3rd nearly made me wanna cut my own throat. I'm shocked to the core she's got nearly 900k channel subs???

  • @alejandromolinac
    @alejandromolinac 4 роки тому +2

    RAGS and Mauler just crack me up!

  • @kreese-yi2nb
    @kreese-yi2nb 4 роки тому +8

    Hi Rags!
    Hail Pierry Chan!

  • @skycaptainrobo8575
    @skycaptainrobo8575 4 роки тому

    "He's got the swoosh open fire."
    Slap that quote on anything and I'm buying it.

  • @randomperson-up5vt
    @randomperson-up5vt 4 роки тому +7

    Mauler and Rags and i missed it live, well time to start watching it late.

  • @Destractoid
    @Destractoid 4 роки тому

    1:10 why is quarter black Garrett there XD

  • @oldmangimp2468
    @oldmangimp2468 4 роки тому +3

    EFAP Movies: The internet incarnation of MST3K.

  • @adamantz7682
    @adamantz7682 4 роки тому +1

    when i grow up i wanna join the timelord agency, too

  • @Auss1e
    @Auss1e 4 роки тому

    After watching all the memes at the start I now know how it feels for people seeing EFAP memes for the first time.

  • @Arassar
    @Arassar 4 роки тому +1

    What race is a green plastic dinosaur?

  • @fuhkyuufuhkmii949
    @fuhkyuufuhkmii949 4 роки тому

    Mines are extremely hot. Very few are actually cold. Most are between 90-120 degrees inside

  • @MellowFungus
    @MellowFungus 4 роки тому +5

    That Intro...loving it

  • @kevinmorthorst521
    @kevinmorthorst521 4 роки тому +1

    Delroy Lindo is a true treasure.

  • @darkma1ice
    @darkma1ice 4 роки тому +1

    Mauler sounds like an American arch warhammer

  • @mbob4337
    @mbob4337 4 роки тому

    To be fair. doing optical effects in bright day light scenes is dificult to do in those days. Space hides majority of the flaws you see with Jabba's palace.

  • @theliato3809
    @theliato3809 4 роки тому

    3:56:00 Theres a lot of tales in star wars game books comics, etc about the survivors of the jedi purge going to ground. Off the top of my head i can think of the missions in battlefront 2, the comic story arc at mon cala, The forced unleashed had a jedi general with his own personal army from the clone wars, jedi fallen orders entire plot, And the recent darth vader comics have half the time involve vader finishing the job he started on coruscant.

  • @Hashbrown1682
    @Hashbrown1682 4 роки тому +1

    Why does Ryan look like Rian Johnson?

  • @TheJollyMisanthrope
    @TheJollyMisanthrope 4 роки тому +3

    When your channel has to be all positive when it comes to the subject you cover, you've already discredited yourself.

  • @Nick_Hammer
    @Nick_Hammer 4 роки тому +12

    Best episode yet.

  • @deusvermiculus1072
    @deusvermiculus1072 4 роки тому +3

    EFAP crossover!
    only 4 hours...
    YOU ARE WEAK!

  • @EFox281
    @EFox281 4 роки тому +2

    Next year, a Madea movie will finally get an Oscar.

    • @scottski02
      @scottski02 4 роки тому

      "Madea Stages a Mostly Peaceful Protest"

  • @ChristineP223
    @ChristineP223 4 роки тому

    The 20th anniversary editions of the sequel trilogy should just be a three hour apology featuring every single person involved with the production. I’m talking Kathleen, Rian, the cameramen, the caterer, the Uber driver that dropped off Smuggler #2, the actual Knight of Ren with the big club, everyone.

  • @pvtrenato2
    @pvtrenato2 4 роки тому +4

    Quite a surprise to see them take some shots at star wars theory

  • @allimbeck1354
    @allimbeck1354 4 роки тому

    I wouldn't touch Cuties with a 500 foot long pole! People that watch Cuties and like it they need the FBI to thrown them into jail forever! Screw this movie,this type of movie should never be made or show anywhere,The people that approve this should be in jail too...This isn't the first movie made by producer Zangro and Maïmouna Doucouré that is soft core child porn...Just look it up people..This is how sick these people are.

  • @HeyImRosko
    @HeyImRosko 4 роки тому +4

    My God that intro was magical! Fire pierry chan (sp?) just so you can rehire him at double pay!!
    Then you dis gas station food (looks down at the gas station hamburger I'm eating at that exact moment 😔).
    I forget my third point, but this was a true emotional rollercoaster of a fnt.
    Also, hi Az'zzz'z
    Edit:
    I remember now! Nolan sound stuff.
    When I saw Dark Knight I remember Commissioner Gordon's speech at the end was absolutely drowned out by the score. Literally had no idea wtf he said. It was like the score was fighting the dialogue. I assumed it was the theater, but both got too loud at the same time, it was bizarre.

  • @SergioOteroFlores
    @SergioOteroFlores 4 роки тому +2

    Bring Ben Shapiro for a FNT Star Wars Hollyday Special!!!!

  • @thuglifebear5256
    @thuglifebear5256 4 роки тому +1

    Hi Rags's!

  • @surveyingfleaproductions
    @surveyingfleaproductions 4 роки тому

    Holy Sh!t that intro was great

  • @gordo9918
    @gordo9918 4 роки тому

    Juan Batista actually played baby yoda. Maybe not but what a Troll!

  • @Mac_Mayne_ATL
    @Mac_Mayne_ATL 4 роки тому

    Written on a napkin lmao

  • @nunyabuznezzby_walking_wounded
    @nunyabuznezzby_walking_wounded 4 роки тому

    I like mandelorean well enough as it is up to now. My exception is that the force should be more like a martial art which takes discipline and training it shouldn't be a superhero power that you just have at birth. My opinion is that breaks the universe

  • @willmilky1
    @willmilky1 4 роки тому

    Rags:”No. No. No. This was the plan all along it would be worse.” It was the plan. It was worse.

  • @matthiuskoenig3378
    @matthiuskoenig3378 4 роки тому

    The Tolkien estate is very protective of their IP, i doubt they would let amazon do weird stuff. infact that might be why they fired the whole writing team resently

    • @lukaszspychaj9210
      @lukaszspychaj9210 3 роки тому

      I hope thats true, although with Christopher having passed away, I fear for the worst...

  • @warchild1673
    @warchild1673 4 роки тому

    If you go by the books then there were jedi that survived the jedi perg such as corral horns dad who hid on corillia.and asoka had left the order before that purge so she could have survived. But her being in the rebellion is a ot hole when she should be hiding.

  • @ESCAPEGOAT.
    @ESCAPEGOAT. 4 роки тому

    Gary asked for a comment. Great stream!!

  • @buckjackson1552
    @buckjackson1552 4 роки тому +1

    Odin had a great pick this week greta zehner has a sweet channel

  • @Mac_Mayne_ATL
    @Mac_Mayne_ATL 4 роки тому

    Soooo did John Campea like TLJ? I'm pretty sure all those ex schmucks from Collider were sucking up to Disney Star Wars right?

  • @1701EarlGrey
    @1701EarlGrey 4 роки тому

    1:18:31 - video od Cap letting all american tragedies exist - I'm sure it's on youtube, look for it!

  • @rfletch62
    @rfletch62 4 роки тому +1

    The intro alone gets a like!

  • @vernedavis5856
    @vernedavis5856 4 роки тому +1

    They were tights,'til these guys put them on....

  • @neilburns9149
    @neilburns9149 4 роки тому

    Another show where it's about content not political BS Bravo as usual gentlemen

  • @fractaljack210
    @fractaljack210 4 роки тому

    What EFAP episode is Moviebob or NeoNasty German people in fashionable black uniforms? I want to play along.

  • @UltimusMagus
    @UltimusMagus 3 роки тому

    I don't want my expectations subverted. I want what I expect to happen, or something at the same level of creativity that doesn't ruin the story, or the characters I enjoy.
    If you insist on doing so, subvert my expectations by writing something _GOOD_ .

  • @campbell8260
    @campbell8260 4 роки тому +1

    Been watching rags for years, glad to see he's here 😁

  • @kagami3k
    @kagami3k 4 роки тому

    01:08:51
    Just like Ryan said, yes, he knew all along, he looks really fake when he did that video about what Daisy said, he tried but it was really bad acting
    I found the video when he really felt it for real, when he did the first video after seeing ROS, his face couldn't fake how let down he was, specially with the whole Jedi heal thing
    He was really expecting for ROS to actually fix something and not how bad the cut is

  • @danardalin
    @danardalin 4 роки тому

    If they want to tell an anti-hero story, they should do a film based on the book Villains By Necessity.

  • @kwazhims3lf
    @kwazhims3lf 4 роки тому

    friday night tights
    with rags... and mauler, but just a little bit
    there.. fixed it

  • @Victor-vx2hl
    @Victor-vx2hl 3 роки тому

    As much as I disagree with Jeremy about the Snyder dc movies, I respect the fact that he realizes what Zack was trying to do with them