F-22 vs J-20 | Thunderbird Fighter Pilot Reacts
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- In this video I do a fighter pilot reaction to the US Air Force F-22 versus the Chinese J-20 fighter jet. When it comes to fighter jets there is a lot to compare. At the end I will give my reaction to which aircraft is best from a Thunderbird Fighter Pilot perspective.
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The most amazing thing about the F-22 is that the design phase began in the 80’s and the competition’s modern planes are still playing catch-up.
It’s a old car!
It’s all electronics this century!
The backward informatization cannot be integrated into the old American combat system, the maintenance cost is high, and there is no nano-invisible spray coating. In the face of the Chinese Air Force's information network and a flying coffin, the American people and the people of the world are living in a fairy tale created by the United States. On that day, a fairy tale shatter you will be crazy
Forget coating. It will be obsolete.! Electronics is the future!
Old like a classic car
You show good interest in both aircraft and aren't biased on one side, I love that.
Hey thanks! Yeah tried to see it from a strictly pilots perspective
@@MaxAfterburnerusa More YT viewers will support your channel as long as you analyse the jet fighters "strictly based on pilots' perspective". As matter of fact, only the trained and experienced pilots are qualified to do such journal of complicate jet fighters manufactured by every country. Eliminate the political bias is the key.
you are right
@@MaxAfterburnerusa 你太专业，虽然我什么也没听懂🤣
@@MaxAfterburnerusa 哈哈哈，殲20現在還沒有機炮，應該不具備狗鬥能力（笑哭）
I just subscribed because this is the first video I watched where UA-camr does not blindly scoff at non-western jets with geopolitical stereotypes. I appreciate the professionalism.
the pilots of all these planes should be commended, regardless of nationality. its no small task to train for everything possible that a gen 5 fighter can do. the physical aspects are grueling but also the sheer amount of practical training needed to operate them effectively
Dude, you remind me of the infectious personality every fighter pilot I ever encountered that was worth their salt, had. Rock on 🤘🏻.
Love watching your videos!…keep up the great work!!
Hey thanks! Will do!
@@MaxAfterburnerusa
Which is better f22 or J20 ?????
This is the first unbiased video I've ever watched on UA-cam. I appreciate your professionality so I subscribed.
keep making these videos bro… it’s relaxing after work…. sounds crazy but it puts my mind in relax mode… great job
Pretty unbiased video, kudos.
As far as I'm aware according Chinese sources, the J20 was designed to equip the WS15 engine (basically China's gen 5 engine). Although the Russian AL31 was used on some J20 prototypes, the production J20s also never actually used Russian engines and instead used the WS10B as an interim option before WS15 goes into service.
Hey thanks!
@@MaxAfterburnerusa could you please create a vid about The F-35's B and C Gun Pods and how they affect their stealth capabilities🙏
@@MaxAfterburnerusa hey man, here is some minor correction for the above info, the first batch of J20 positioned in Northern China uses and still uses the Russian built Engines (AL31F), while J20 is originally designed with a more powerful engine in mind, when the prototype of WS15 (built using one of the designed provided by Mikoyan) came out, the Chinese air force found that while WS15 is much more powerful, it has very short life span before needing to undergo major maintenances. So China basically halted the production of J20 until Ws10 engine matured (which is an engine similar to F110 but uses some modern materials technologies).
very good stuff, don't be discouraged by the lack of viewership your work is great.
Thanks! We’ll get the viewership there eventually!
I just found this channel today. I can’t believe I haven’t seen this until now. I love this channel. I’m subscribing. Keep doing what you do. I love it.
First time on the channel and I loved the breakdown! Thanks!!
I live 1.5 miles south of the Langley AFB runway midpoint. I see Raptors fly over my house almost daily. I love that aircraft and those who not only fly them, but also those who work hard to keep them in the air.
第一，J20的空气动力设计（鸭翼，全动垂尾等）注定机动性优于F22。第二J20可携带更多武器。第三J20换装新发动机后可长时间超音速巡航，并在超音速状态下发射导弹。第四因为后研发的优势J20的隐身涂层和电子控制系统更优于F22。
1. Even if I did cede the point, who really cares as F22s aren't designed to dogfight, why is everyone stuck in cold war thinking? But call me crazy and tell me every engagement will be a dogfight, I already know how this conversation goes.
2. It can carry 6? The F22 can carry 8. I don't get you?
3. The F22 can also do both things? Why is this better?
4. I mean, maybe who could say? I think the SU57 burns unicorn horns that were mashed up into powder and distilled into alcohol. Just saying a series of things proves nothing, "post-development", if you have classified information about the makeup of the stealth coating of both the J20 and the F22 and are qualified to tell us the differences... then don't, pretty sure that's treason to talk about. But, I'm willing to play the odds and say you have zero qualifications to speak on it.
Well anyway, maybe all your points were right and Google translate misinterpreted your thoughts, but I remain dubious.
@@onasknox9284 search pl－15 you will find something new
This is such a great channel. Love this content. Thanks man. 😊
Very clean analysis. Loved it!
Yo thanks! Glad you’re here 👍👍
Although F22 is an impressive super airplane, it’s like a 36-year old car in rapid development electronic car era. J20 loaded with new electronic system that allow it to control hundreds of drones . The future air fight will be totally different game that F22 was built to fight.
I salute you! I was AMMO for 20 years and retired from Nellis and still live here. Watching the T-Birds never gets old!
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You put a big smile on my face. Thank you!
Your enthusiasm for aviation is contagious. Nice vid.
Love it! I was at an air show in Klamath Falls Oregon when I was 15 years old with my parents….. in 1986…. So that kind of dates me Lol. My uncle was there and he knew one of the pilots, he had his F 16 sitting there and allowed me to crawl up in the cockpit and sit in it! Even at that age that cockpit fit me like putting on a perfectly fit cowboy boot…..PLOP! One of the neatest experiences I have had thus far.
Awesome, thanks for sharing that!
The J20 was designed for vector thrust engines and super cruise capability. But China`s new engine development was lagging behind the jet itself. That is where the Russian engines came in. It was a temporary fix. That's why we only saw small batches of the J20 with the Russian engine peoduced in the first a few years.
China has changed it a long time
@@Mr-io5qe Same with Russia compare to the time right after the Soviet collapse, but we will be lying to ourselves if this change is enough.
China use its own engine long time ago, now there are 250 J20
@@DaddyBear205 With 500 out of date, at best J10 engines.
The new engine ws15 is production ready :)
Wow keep up the awesome videos. Thank you so much.
Love your video, straight to the point and no bs
hey thanks!
The space between the engine and the body is important for dealing with boundary layer airflow.
If you notice, all modern fighters have a space between their engine and body.
As to the fin/blade there on the mig, there may be other reasons we are unaware of.
except DSI
Much respect for all America's Pilot's. You all have the best attitudes. Our Guardians in the sky's...Thank-you Buddy🙏🇺🇸
Wow! Great video!
I’ll never forget this f18 (Australian) fly over I seen at football grand final (it actually was best part of my day) just as it was flying over they announced its Pilot name and said he was “18y.o” that blew my mind. I was only just getting driver’s license and here’s this guy 18yo flying f18. And what he did next was something I’ll never forget. He throws the jet sideways and all this water Vapor’s were pouring off they he pulls a almost impossible turn and points it straight up and hits afterburners and shot straight up. I was in total awe. Still am.
I absolutely love watching the F-22. The way it moves and turrns is beautiful, it's also the most aesthetically pleasing designs IMO, but I grew up around the Air Force.
Yo! I agree design matters! 🔥
Aesthetics don't matter. It's economy, capability, and ability to produce effective pilots. Most importantly you need the efficient supporting maintenance.
F14 is the most pleasing aircraft visually! We’re done ✅ here!
J-20 seems to fit perfectly with what the Chinese need: a stealthy, 'missile-truck' with a large fuel load that can reach out over large distances of ocean (the U.S.) or inland (russian boarder). Imo, not made for 'close' ACM.
I think u hit the point dude
yeah you nailed it, the fighter jets for China and US are designed with different objective, purposes, and strategic intentions from each other.
Chinese stealth jets dont have guns. They are not gonna dog-fight.
J20 technology is stolen from the United States because it has two wings
The J-20 has a radar cross section of only 1-2 m^2 the f-22 has a radar cross section of an egg coated in black paint.
one has a stealth system the other has a radar reduction system.
I dominated the like button and subscribed! Thanks for the video!
You rock Alex! Glad you’re here
thank you for your video on this , its important for us
I get shivers. As a retired flight instructor and fighter pilot, these new generation pilots are leaps and bounds ahead of the training offered/received in the past (at least by the CAF). In today's world, I would have zero clue how to train a pilot on these incredibly advanced fighters effectively.
j-20 will be easy, its basically a su-27 avionics and engines, in a copy cat shell, china copies everything
@@Jungle_Studio During my time at CFB Cold Lake and Southport the most advanced fighter we had was the F18 Legacy Hornet. It could rate fight any fighter in its day but is out-dated by today's standards. The LH was a great one circle fighter with its sustained turn radius but to compare it against other in this day and age really makes no sense anymore.
It's something I think about a lot as a former Air Force computer programmer... how much sensor fusion we were doing back in the day and how it's advanced leaps and bounds above what we had even in the 90s and early 2000s. The Russian invasion of Ukraine, to me, really demonstrated a huge difference between NATO ops and the Russian battle plan in that with the Russians, there's no AWACS, there's no situational awareness, there's nothing. They trust their pilots, that hardly ever even get to train, to be able to spot targets and shoot them down as soon as they're in range. Meanwhile, we're assigning targets *miles* out of max range and giving our pilots such a situational awareness advantage that, to me, it would boggle my mind if the Russians and Chinese even got to fire a shot (at least, for any reason other than having more planes than we had missiles in the case of the Chinese).
@@cassiecaradoc2070 good point
@@cassiecaradoc2070 - "having more planes than we had missiles" - Yikes! Ya, superiority of technology can only compensate for so much. At some point, shear quantity of force wins out. Let's hope we never have to see how it would actually play out.
Splitter plates on a Mig-23, L-39, Su-15, Su-24, etc. diverts the boundary layer away from the engine intake. It is a form of boundary layer control. First time hear this story about arresting net. Interesting.
Hi thanks for your comment!
I'm confused as well. Was there a blade mounted to the splitter plate somewhere?
@@egstrong well behind the splitter plate it is shaped like a spade if that gives a picture. I’ve heard that MiG-23 story before although I’m not sure if that is entirely true as it didn’t come from an aircraft engineer.
I know next to nothing about flying and jets, but enjoyed your content. Cheers for the great content🍻
You’re totally awesome and thanks for your service
Those jets look incredible! Like something out of a sci-fi movie!
For sure!
The most important aspect of any military jet is that it must look good. And J20 looks good.
South Korea's kf21 fighter jets have already flown for the first time. Obviously we will not take them seriously. Only India's Tejas fighter jets and the US f35 can become our opponents. After all, South Korea is a developed country.
This is the first video I’ve seen from you. 15 seconds in and I already want you to be my pilot.
Ha awesome! Glad you are here Seth!
Great video!
Speaking as a former crew chief all I can say when seeing the 22 do those maneuvers is "there's going to be a lot of maintenance to do when it lands." Lol
"Over G! Over G! Over G!"
@@kerbalairforce8802 lol
That sounds like torture
They're all amazing machines. I think it all comes down to the driver.
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It comes down to the whole integrated battle command and control system. No single unit can do much on its own
Great video. I'm subscribed.
great info, thanks
The way I understood it, the copper coloured canopy on the F22 is actually normal canopy materials with a thin layer of gold on top to not let radar into the cockpit and help with stealth,
Edit: it’s not Gold but Indium Tin Oxide, Thanks Emir Redžemailvić
My understanding it is gold flakes in the glass and not the surface, it reflects radar signature in different directions and not collected and sent back to the reciever.
Awesome thanks!
It's not gold, it's Indium Tin Oxide which gives the Polycarbonate canopy a ''golden'' tint. But the Indium Tin Oxide undergoes throught a process that still to this day remains classified.
@張支語 It isn't. Gold doesn't absorb radar in the first place.
it isn't there to absorb radar, it reflects radar in different directions minimizing the return back to the sender.
I remember a classic joke from the U.S.A.F,
The instructor asked the student, "Why do fighters need to dogfight? The student answered because I have super maneuvering, the instructor said: Wrong! Because you are stupid.
Similarly, why do 5th generation planes need to dogfight?
Have you seen the J20's performance at the recent Zhuhai Space Show?
Love this amazing content
The f4 info is amazing, my father works at local air museum and they have a f4 phantom and a tomcat!
J-20 for naval aviation missions. F-22 for stealth ground missions. Its like comparing the type 055 destroyer to the zumwalt.
F22无EOTS,无EODAS,无HMDS，态势感知能力缺失，数据链缺陷导致无完备CEC能力，.上一代航电架构和AESA组件，无法适配AIM120D和9X，作战半径小，任务属性单一，这就是军盲眼里的最强
可不敢乱说，人均肉眼风洞加正确记忆，你敢说"1.44复制品“一句好话试试
And Chinois Pilots are only good at making videos and causal flights, so whats your point? NO competitive combat, or training and overall China are known by your own Winnie The Pooh that overall, your fighting force is weak without motivation.."Little Emperor Syndrome"
@@swh0rd682 🤣why u so mad
@Swh0rD baby don't cry, you have time to do your analysis.
great insights and thanks. LIked and subbed
Thanks for the sub!
The Soviets impounded USAAF B-29s that landed on their soil after bombing missions over Japan. The Tupolev design bureau then copied them nut for nut, bolt for bolt, and called their model the Tu-4. American aviation experts were bemused to discover all Russian copies had a small hole drilled under one wing. This was because the one particular B-29 they copied happened to have this hole. The Tupolev engineers had no idea what it was for but they copied it anyway.
Communist Chinese are trying the same.
@ The PRC engineers now are designing and building better engines than the ones they received from Russia.
@@NZobservatory They have always been TRYING.
Personally, I prefer the YF-23 airframe, and it would be amazing with newer tech in it. Surprises me that nobody ever revisits prototype concepts, even if only for use as drones. The X-36, for example would be amazing with new technology and incorporated AI as a UCAV.
I prefer the f-35 over both quite franky, its a better aircraft and the f-22 just seems like its more for show these days.
@@kohlshu8979 the F-22 would work well if the stealth of the Su-57 or J-20 is anywhere close to it and slipped through radar guided missile defenses.
@@kohlshu8979 they are 2 different planes with different objectives. The F-22 is strictly air superiority fighter, the f-35 is a multi-roll there are pilots and simulations showing in a air to air fight the f-22 smokes it
@@rxzesereniti9750 An Air to air fight? Sure WVR the F-22 is better on paper and I would say even that's debatable highly debatable considering what im about to post. But in BVR the F-22 is completely outclassed.
F-35 has better radar, much more advanced avionics and steath coating and IRST. F-35s have been regularly defeating F-22As in Large Force Exercises since 2017 since their sensor suites are far superior. F-22A community has been complaining that they have no IRST capability for years, which was an original ATF requirement that was dropped due to cost. Red Flag, pilots have only been able to maintain lock once, and that was because the F-35 was playing the defensive role and had its exhaust clear to show. 16-1 dogfight win loss, 178-0 BVR win loss at Red Flag.
@@kohlshu8979 source for those kill numbers because there aren’t any credible sources and there was one report that didn’t give much merit? Yes the f-35 has “better” censors but tbf they would
Be jammed anyway, plus most of what is cable of f-22 is still classified. There’s a reason after 25 years it’s still not sold to anyone else.
I saw the F22s perform at Chino and Nellis. More than the insane Tokyo Drifting they were pulling across the sky, the main thing that got me was the massive cocky grins on the pilots when I got to talk to them. They say all the right things and present themselves very well, but you can just tell, on the inside, they know that they are the coolest people on Earth. I asked one what the top speed was, and he said, “officially, it’s around Mach 2.5.” I asked him what he meant by “officially”. He just smiled and repeated his answer.
Awesome content and engaging 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Glad to see that you’re able to discuss the technical aspects of the two aircrafts like an aviation enthusiast without getting into the politics of the two countries 👍👍👍
Regarding the design of the J-20, it was originally designed to match with the WS-15 engine with thrust vectoring and supercruise capability, just that the WS-15’s development was lagging behind the development of the J-20 airframe and China had no choice but to use the AL-31 engines as an interim plan before the WS-15 engine becomes available. You would probably have noticed that J-20s were only produced in small numbers initially because China didn’t want to field too many J-20s that are equipped with the AL-31 that eventually have to be upgraded to the WS-10C and WS-15 engines. You can clearly see that the number of J-20s rolling off the production line started exploding after the WS-10C has matured in 2019.
"just that the WS-15’s development was lagging behind the development of the J-20 airframe and China had no choice but to use the AL-31 engines as an interim plan before the WS-15 engine becomes available." LOL. J-20 has been flying with WS-15 engines since the very beginning in 2011. J-20 has never flown with WS-10 and AL-31.
@@michaelngan99 I guess this is just a sarcastic comment, as China didn't even have a domestically produced air worthy jet engine in 2011😂
Half of J20 is equipped with ws10 engines. And a very small part is vector thrust.
Why would it be wrong to mention communist china’s authoritarian political system. The j-20 is meant to challenge f-22 directly…
@@et683 The Joke is on fan-boys like you.
The J-20 and F-22 is technically comparing apples to oranges. One is built to be an interceptor and other a NGAD Fighter. To me, the better comparison would be the J-20 to the F-35.
No........J-35vs F35-C
I don't think the J-20 will be fully capable until the proper native jet engines are available. Avionics also play a major role. And let's not forget the pilots. I believe the US pilots are some of the best in the world, but I don't think the Chinese pilots have been fully vetted.
As far a the ready state comparison, the US often has issues with delaying absolutely necessary maintenance to meet operational needs. This always bites us in our collective butt later on. As for the Chinese, their record for material readiness is apparently way better than the Russians.
@@jhill4874 …
True… also keep in mind that US pilots are trained to act and think on their own if necessary, while Chinese pilots are forced to wait for instructions and can only do / react as their leadership wills and have zero military experience. That’s a huge problem considering the Chinese haven’t been in any sort of military conflict since the Korean war.
The F22 is fully capable for ground attack. Its carry load is significant
FC-31 vs F-35 would be better.
Man keeping it confidential, I was hoping that you would talk more into the techs haha, anyways greeting from China
Hi!
Amazing channel just found you. Greetings from Tunisia.
Awesome! Welcome! And thanks a ton 👍👍
I always considered canards to be analogous to front-wheel drive on a car. FWD pulls you through a turn; RWD pushes you through a turn.
True story but only 2 or 3 pilots that have responded to me have perspective on how bad this really is. Landing on the Midway was hard in daytime, harder at night, harder at night in the rain, and unbelievable at night in a hurricane. We had to land 35 planes in nighttime hurricane conditions circa 1972-73. F4's, A6's, etc. One pilot told me they never saw the ship once. The only reason we didn't dodge the storm was none of the planes had fuel to make it to Danang. We were the only game in town and had to stay put while the storm sprayed over the island. All 35 returned "safely" and all of our prayers were answered.
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I bet the F22 or F35 could handle this better.
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Great point at the end. And funny story!
Great video. Perhaps you could do a video getting into how the thrust vectoring capabilities of the F22/35 aid in general aviation safety and survivability by comparison to Gen 4 or just general aviation. I know it wouldn't be especially "glamorous", but just like F1, the technologies eventually filter down into general aviation. I think that could be two cool comparisons of might might be as a result of these two Gen 5's. Besides, anything we can do to display added value is good for procurement. Great videos! Semper Fi!
F-35 Doesn’t have thrust vectoring.
From what I have seen the J-20 was design for thrust vectoring. The Russian engines was to tie them over until they mastered Gen 5 engines.
Thrust vectoring is bad for fuel economy and speed. They won't use it.
@@alanOHALAN you don’t really need to go faster than Mach 2 for a fighter, the f22 has thrust vectoring but most likely can break Mach 2
@@wandew7057 if you go faster your missile will also go faster, better chance of hitting the enemy first. plus you can run away faster after firing all your missiles. there is no need to stay for dog fight. US does have the best engines by a long shot so yes thrust vectoring not taking away the engine performance too much, but the same can't be said for Chinese engine or the Russian ones, not yet.
Terrific report! Fighter Pilots need to be funny on the ground because it’s all serious business up there!
For people who do not watch your eyes and head motions in the lower right portion of this video.............................they are missing the real feel YOU are experiencing. Thank you for these vids!
The gold or copper tint of the F-22 is from a coating of Indium Tin Oxide which is suppose to help with it's radar (or lack their of) cross section. Source is from "F-22 Raptor" by Bill Sweetman, author and editor for Aviation Week.
Regarding larger weapons bay and range in the J-20: the plane is much larger than the F-22, so of course it would have larger weapons bays and range.
Glad to hear such professional common. btw for the power, can't agree more about the problems caused by the power was not design for the plane. But as I know it was the AL31 as substitution to put first few products in the air for testing and showing. J-20 was not designed for AL31 at the very 1st place. But WS-10 was behind schedule so they put the old AL31 on for few years as advance. Since 2021 they began to put WS-10 back on for replacing AL31 as the mass production began.
My aerodynamics engineer friend told me thrust vectoring is the defining feature of the 5th gen IF and ONLY IF the jet is expected to fight in dogfights. In the high-speed maneuver, the number of independently controlled surfaces and the size of each of them with well calibrated and model-UI control system is way more important than thrust vectoring. And this remains pretty much true until approx 500kmh so thrust vectoring in the low speed maneuver ... basically the stuff you see in every airshow and in some cases navy landing on CVs.
Thanks for the video! I enjoyed both hype videos. If I was to choose an air superiority fighter I'd probably pick F22.
But I think it makes very little sense to compare the 2 for a dog fight because as I understand the J20 is built for a totally different purpose. The reason it has a large body and weapon bays is to have both enough fuel to patrol the South China Sea and to take out tankers and AWACS using the PL-15 missiles. Canards are bad for stealth but for the original purpose of J20 it only needs forward stealth so it's not a big deal. The recent encounter of J20 and F35 suggests the likely tactic of PLAAF is to use AWACS to track stealth planes and J20 to deliver a long range missile outside opponent's missile range.
The more likely scenario of an encounter is likely to be J20 v F35 or even J35 v F35. But with the introduction of the YJ21 hypersonic missile I highly doubt that will ever happen.
Hi thanks for your comment!
I agree, from my understanding the J-20 was built as an interceptor and nothing else. Patrol the airways and shoot down the big targets, no dog fighting.
Makes perfect sense, BUT in that case, WHY ADD CANARDS AT ALL?!? Why make the aircraft heavier, less fuel efficient, and less stealthy when it's primarily an interceptor? This jet looks like a mish-mash of design concepts - which China can afford to do. They have the money and time to try stuff out to see what works and what doesn't.
@@capnron65 Engine! Chinese say the Chinese aircrafts have heart disease which means they don’t have powerful engines. Canards can compensate the poor performance of their engines.
how can an awacs get a missile quality firing solution on any stealthy aircraft ? do we know this is even possible ? also the aim120 is medium range, its my understanding that there are longer range missiles being developed and tested like the aim260. shoot you could probably test and prove an old aim54 phoenix on an f15 in a week.
we are assuming china gives their pilots the same amount of flight hours as the americans. if Ukraine has shown us anything its that rising powers sometimes skimp a little on warfighter training time.
you bet!
Why wouldn't they considering they have way more resources then we do China makes everything in the world has a billion people usa makes nothing an is run on debt soon to end with a collapse of the US dollor and economy not to mention there structure would allow them to train pilots alot more then ours they don't have all the red tape
Yes.
I am from Philipines so been watching Chinese Military tech development. I have doubts if their "new" equipment have been tested properly. Also we cannot discount the possibility that some of these "capabilities" may just be propaganda too.
@@maninthemiddleground2316 I agree but also never underestimate your enemy. We can assume the tech is faulty and training poor only among us. Military's need to assume it's all working in tip top shape.
Ehh, china has the capital to spend on fuel, and maintenance. Unlike Russia. So they may get a fair amount of flight hours. The J20 isn't a very large portion of their air wing.
i just like the looks of the aircrafts. it must be a dream of any pilots to fly one of these. the mobility of them must feel super great as a pilot.
I just showed the like button lots of love 👍
China has been testing its new engine on J-20 lately. There was a footage of J-20 flying with different engines on each side, and the new one is visually longer than the old one. The current engine is serving a transitional purpose as they have decided to go with native ones at the beginning. So hopefully there will be more footage with maneuver after the new engine come out.
Yep the ws15 engine
These indigenous engines are built with many parts of Russian origin, namely the turbine blades, China has not yet mastered the metallurgical technology necessary to produce them. The Chinese engine has a much shorter durability compared to the Russian ones.
WS10C has achieved WS15 's original design objective, WS15 has to develop again now.
@@goodlife6277 Considering the sanctions on Russia and China's support, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia starts sharing their tech with china.
@@dreadfulbodyguard7288 Surprised ? About what? Russia has always helped China in military, space and civil technology since the days of the USSR, the entire scientific base is Soviet/Russian, observe the main Chinese weapons systems and the Chinese space program, very similar... guess why? Of course, now this will be intensified, that is the objective of the 2 nations.
The raptors ability to just throw itself into a flat spin and come out whenever it wants is crazy
Its amazing the f22 was introd in 05 and based off The US's unwillingness to export it countries are TRYING to catch up but most likely havent and when you couple the raptor with the f35 that's where at least in a numbers game no other country competes they might come close or pass in tech but not in sheer spending or numbers
like your vids. Wondering if the C-5 and C-17 will be featured. Its something unique about those flying truckers. Miss the TF39's on the C-5 too. It makes a cool ring tone.
Am the only one who thinks this dude gives me the Jim Carrey vibe? This isn't said in a negative kinda way. I'm a big JC fan and thinks he's awesome.
Hi thanks!
@@MaxAfterburnerusa hello, you're welcome👍
Cool video. A few other observations:
The J20 has a much greater fineness ratio than the F22. This is the ratio of the length of a body to its maximum width. The J20 also features fuselage area-ruling, and most noticeably evident being the coke-bottle profiling under the fuselage around the engine bays. Both these design features (fineness ratio + area ruling) reduce the aircraft's supersonic wave drag and allow a faster sustained super-cruise capability. Moreover, a longer body also allows for for a high internal volume with low frontal area. Allows for a larger internal weapons bay AND lots of internal fuel while minimizing cross-sectional drag. The larger internal fuel therefore allows for longer ranges at supersonic speeds and keep it up for longer. The J20's fuel-fraction and long range also reduces its dependency on having to rendez-vous with large slow tankers which are easy targets. However, the J20 just needs the right engine that can provide high thrust without needing to light the afterburner, which I think it will get (if it hasn't already got it by now). The F22 meanwhile does not compare well to the J20 in these regards: payload + range + sustained high speed.
Good analysis and well explained
@@daviddixon14 The other thing that I forgot to mention above is that the J20's 12.9m span wing is placed much further rearward than the F22's 13.6m span wing. This keeps the J-20s wing tips well inside the Mach shock cone when cruising supersonic.
There is a good reason for the lack of such area ruling on the F-22, it reduces stealth. This is why analysis shows that the J-20 has pretty good RCS from the front but not at all good from the sides, above and below. Stealth takes precedence in the F-22 design even if it means slightly compromising other aspects. We have no idea how close or far away China is from producing an engine with as much dry thrust as the P&W F119 so that's very much an unknown, but is a big advantage for the F-22 currently.
@@xeigen2 Engine development status aside (WS-15), the J-20's area-ruling (and its fineness-ratio etc.) allows for a more efficient transonic and supersonic flight *without afterburner* for longer periods. Not having to use afterburner means a much more stealthy operation, from above, below, and behind. And from the sides you can't even see the J-20's engine-bay area-ruling anyway. Meanwhile the F22 runs out of fuel very quickly and thus relies either on zero-stealth drop tanks and/or on zero-stealth tanker aircraft support for long missions.
@@nitram419 I mean you seem to be implying the F-22 doesn't have good supercruise capability? It can actually achieve Mach 1.8 at MIL power, so regardless of lower fineness ratio and lack of area ruling it clearly has very low drag in the supersonic regime.
The primary reason for the extra range of the J-20 is just that it has a much larger fuel fraction, it carries a lot more than the F-22. The envisaged mission role for the F-22 doesn't need a huge amount of range.
I've seen radar cross section simulations for the J-20 and it's only very low observable (stealth) from a frontal aspect, any other angle it's easily detectable.
Man that falling leaf is sick !!!
Bro,you tend to cover subjects that I've always wondered about. Things like the webbed canopy, side stick control from another video of yours and many other things that the war plane books that I read as a kid didn't cover. I'm also an AF vet, but I was on a bomber ( SAC) base and never got to do flight line work on fighters. Thanks for informative videos. I definitely will like and subscribe.
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I guess I misunderstood. I thought at the beginning of the video you'd said that you were going to give us your thoughts on who'd dominate but you simply said it depended on a pilot's experience. Have you seen the video of Randy (Laz) Gordon's lecture on F22 aeronautics at MIT? It's on UA-cam. You might have stronger ideas once you see it. Better yet, get Laz on your channel as a guest.
As an USAF vet (early 80s), I've always loved the F-15. When they rolled out the F-22, I thought it as a nice replacement for the F-15. Of course, when I saw pix & video of the XF-23, I wondered why it was not chosen. I'm hearing that the 6th Gen is more like the XF-23. Take care & keep up the great videos.
I wonder about your thoughts about the F-15EX Eagle II (“stealth” Eagle)
Cause the f22 is superior. And the f23 looks like dog shit. 💩
@@thr8061 ain't nothing stealthy about that one
@lxRaptorxl I like America and its planes as much as everyone, but you gotta be functionally retarded to think the F-15EX is more stealthy than the J-20. It has the RCS value of a bus
I’m a big proponent of the F-23, but it was passed over because the pentagon had more confidence in Lockheed coming in on budget, on time, with fewer problems… mainly due to NG issues with the B-2 (not really their fault IMO since the USAF changed requirements in the middle of that program).
12:00 It's a super thin layer of gold so the cockpit appears as a single sheet of metal on radar so they dont have to worry about radar characteristics of the cockpit interior!
This guy enjoys every second of it..
My Uncle-in-Law is a retired USAF Lt. Colonel. He was an F-16 pilot, F-16 Instructor, test pilot, and had a hand in the F-35 program. He now works for Southwest Airline. As a private pilot it is always a pleasure to visit him. He is so down to earth and not the macho guy you might think he would be. My friend Lt Coronal Ed Cassidy . Thanks for the video!
The biggest difference is that if there really is a war, China can produce these planes at least five times the number of what American manufacturers can crank out. China today is like US during the WWII, its industrial output is the next few top countries combined.
@@dave642 we will have AI to do the fight soon….
@@dave642 lol. I’m pretty sure most of the military personnel retire after a few years. Every new recruit starts from a clean slate, to say an new American recruit would be more experienced than a Chinese one is just nonsense.
no it's impossible
@@dave642 More exp= more war. Shame to the US
@@lordlee6473 Russian equipment is more advanced than chinas. To win a war isn’t about equipment, amount or capabilities. Large part of it is training, knowledge and experience. We are witnessing this is Ukraine.
At 2:53, what is the white thing on the front of the canopy frame?
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A lot of the secret of the F-22 is with the absurdly advanced flight controls. The jet itself 'knows' more about how to achieve any manuver asked about the pilot than the pilot needs to know themselves to a degree that no other jet ever has accomplished. This is difficult to build into a plane and program, the amount of testing and data that has to be gathered to just write the software is absurd. The J-20 probably lacks this given it's rapid development and temporary engine usage (was set to be upgraded from day 1 so fully integrated flight control automation probably wasn't a thing).
It's like this - in an F-18 there's flight control stability with fly by wire...great...but the pilot still needs to know that at whatever speed, angle of attack, throttle setting etc. achieving a manuver might require different inputs. Say at slow speeds with a high angle of attack, the vertical tail surfaces aren't getting as much air so pointing the nose to your target might require you to give one engine more thrust than the other and somehow moving the elevator tails independently (which traditional flight controls don't allow you to do)...the pilot would have to know how and immediately do those things. In the F-22 you'd just give it left pedal and the plane will yaw doing all the tricks itself even if the rudders don't move at all.
Hard to explain but hopefully this makes sense.
So true
I would want to fly an aircraft built by the best professionals in the world, not from a bunch of armatures who copied someone else's homework from stolen, incomplete, reverse engineered designs with little attention paid, and total ignorance to why they were designed that way in the first place. Especially when when mistakes and failures in China means dishonor to your entire family, which could mean getting hauled off to a slave camp or have your organs harvested.
@@DJ8017 sure but don't underestimate your enemy. If it was that easy, these other countries wouldn't exist.
Its rapid development isn't a issue friend, it's China we're talking about, they don't waste time creating the basics, they steal, buy reverse engineer and learn the basics from others, softwares aren't as difficult to built as it was back when F-22 were born, Im not taking the merit of your affirmation, but just be careful when comparing things like these, there's a lot of variables involved
@@DJ8017 you seem pretty sure about how shitty China is... don't be so quick to buy into propaganda. they're not a great country but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as a nonthreat.
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6:00 I think you were totally imagining flying it XD the true spirit of a fighter pilot
Hello, I'm new here, and love your content. Today with 46y i'm try to get my private pilo license. In 1995 I was reject by Brazilian Air Force, but I'm doesno't lose my dream to pilot. Today, I'm a planator pilot... nice videos, let fly.
For all I know, F-22 is discontinued, it is no longer made. So,. the fleet will no longer grow. In fact, it will only decrease over time, while the F-15 is being reanimated... J-20, on the other hand, is not discontinued and will be upgraded...
How exactly is "Made in China" technology compared... That is another question...
The "razor-blade" story is just that - a story I flew F-4s in the Marine Corps. Those are called "variable engine intake ramps" that program out - extend - during supersonic flight for boundry layer control of the intake. It doesn't have anything to do with a barrier landing.
Okay thanks for that!
Was wondering about that, I've heard the boundary layer explanation but not the barrier landing reason. I imagine such things like the landing gear and the wing are plenty large objects that would catch on netting, and you sure don't want the netting cut while your main concern is to stop the aircraft.
Not the splitter plates, the story is about the supports between it and the fuselage.
Yeah I always understood they were an aerodynamic aid. However they were copied for no real reason as I understand. If you’re ever at a museum where you can do a side by side comparison F-4 and Mig-23 the intakes are REALLY similar
@@chrislaska5728 Well then you should buy a pair of glasses. Besides barrier cutting sotry is *not* about the splitter plates, but whats between them and the fuselage. And believe me, there is a good reason for having both the supports and the massive splitter plates, which are also used on a ton of other jets from the same time period, in one flavour or another.
I'm a diehard F-15 fan but the F-22 is an absolute tribute to the history of human engineering.
I love the footage... AND you let us watch a lot between talking. I love the little stories like the cutting blade... that's remarkable. Good Channel. Thanks
i love the shape of the wing of the F22 its got some really nice clever little curves and details. the J20 looks good but the proportions are a little off its a little long behind the cockpit. the F22 is plane/plain porn
J-series are copy cats stolen through hacking US military data.