i sold my 2016 Street Glide Special and now have a 2022 Road King Standard…came from the factory with no California emissions and no ABS and no “infotainment system”. Pure riding joy and easy to wrench on. Historically, Harley ECM’s have been just about bulletproof.
Yep, the newer Road King's have less computers on them than the bikes with fairings. My first Bagger was a 2005 Road King, lots of great memories riding that bike! The 2022 does have a BCM and an ECM (agree, the ECM rarely has an issue)...but they do NOT come standard with the RDRS, so that is less there too. Thanks for commenting! KP
Great question! Harley's electronics are designed to be weather-resistant, but we always recommend checking your bike’s manual for specific maintenance tips after riding in wet conditions. Thank you for commenting! MB
You are so right on this, and garbage is the right word. It's not that the parts are terrible, what's garbage is the complexity of the design and the lack of adaptability or interchangeability. There is no excuse for these parts not to be plug and play. The promise of software based technology is that programing allows flexibility in function but that is not what Harley is delivering. The instruments situation on most of the product line is so messed up that lowly owners can't work on them at all, indy shops staffed with experts can't reliably repair or swap them, and even the dealerships have trouble working on them. The aftermarket can't keep up, and the end result is that for a 'performance' bike like FXLRST you cannot buy a speedometer with a needle at any price, and from my conversations with aftermarket mfgs you won't ever. If you put a gauge from a bike with one different function onto a different bike you end up with an ever present error that only black tape can cover. Even if you swap gauges on two bikes with the same functions, like say the round FXLRS gauge onto a FXLRST to replace the stupid illegible digital gauge, the chances are you will be making a visit to the dealer to hand over $200 for a flash that the neighborhood independent shop cannot do. And that crap digital gauge that you took off, probably isn't going to work on any other bike, it's now a brick and it will not function ever again even though all the mileage data is stored somewhere else. It's frustrating knowing that I can't do simple repairs like bleeding the brakes on the side of the road without a flash, and it's scary and annoying to think that 15-25 years from now Harley won't be making the proprietary electronics that are needed to keep these things running. We like to think that if you buy H-D that you can keep it on the road indefinitely and right now that just ain't the case. If anybody from the motor company is reading this please provide us a pair of ports on every bike to plug (2) cheap dumb gauges into, a tachometer and a speedometer. We also need you to sell some slightly smarter gauges that can be programmed from a phone app; remember that all the data is coming from the bike so all we need to be able to do is add and map some icons for all the stupid features that you keep adding. Personally, although I'd like a rain mode, I don't need the ride modes. But I do need a speedometer that I can read at a glance, you know the kind with a needle that every car, truck, motorcycle, air plane and train has had for the last 100 fucking years. The Pan American gauge would do the trick, but I could use one from a Nightster, Heritage, Fat Boy, Road King, or even from one of the Limited(s). It's the fact that these cannot be adapted that is so annoying, come on H-D engineers, it's just a motorcycle, de-complicate it.
You’ve articulated some very valid concerns. The complexity and lack of adaptability in the newer models can indeed be frustrating for riders who value straightforward maintenance and repairs. It’s clear that many enthusiasts want more flexibility and simplicity in design, and your suggestions for gauge compatibility are spot on. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
That’s awesome! Rebuilding your bike can be a rewarding experience, and it sounds like you made a great choice. There’s something special about putting in the effort to bring a bike back to life. Enjoy the ride! Thank you for commenting! MB
You hit the nail right on top of the head when you mentioned product "life cycle." Estimates on any product life cycle are purely subjective at best. Manufacturers are the ones in charge of a product's development and prototype testing. Trying to emulate the longevity of something is extremely complex. This is what the customer is for.
The product life cycle is indeed complex and relies heavily on manufacturer decisions and customer feedback. It's a balance between innovation and maintaining quality, and customer input plays a crucial role in shaping that process. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍 MB
Less electronics will certainly make it more simple for people to work on their own bikes. Glad you have a bike you are happy with. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
While big screens and infotainment on motorbikes are certainly not my thing, people probably said same about "too much unreliable tech" when electronic start first came out to replace kick starters, and then again when fuel injection first made an appearance, etc...
That’s a solid perspective! Technology often evolves and can enhance the riding experience, even if it seems daunting at first. Just like with electronic starters and fuel injection, it’s all about finding the right balance between innovation and reliability. Thank you for commenting! MB
Electric start is nothing more than an electric motor. Electric, NOT electronic. HUGE difference. EFI is pure TRASH. Thats where this nightmare started. I have worked on EFI vehicles as a mechanic. I learned enough to know that I would NEVER consider owning one. I'm an old school hot rodder. I will never own anything that isn't 100% mechanical with a rudimentary 12V electrical system that can be worked on with a simple multimeter.
That's awesome! It’s great to hear you’re enjoying the tech features of your 2024 Road Glide. Embracing innovation can definitely enhance the riding experience, especially for tech enthusiasts. I think Devin likes the tech as well. Thank you for commenting! 👍😎👍 MB
I ride my bike to get away from things like tech. I honestly do not understand people who spend thousands on music components such as expensive speakers. What did people drink before bottled water, how did people communicate before text messaging, social media? Tech is good but it does have negatives on society. Too bad.
I completely understand where you’re coming from! Riding is often a great way to disconnect and enjoy the moment without all the distractions of modern tech. It’s true that while technology can enhance certain experiences, it can also complicate things. Finding that balance is key! Thank you for commenting! MB
I have a 2018 Roadglide with the 107. Have 66000 miles on it and have not had the 1st problem. I will not buy any of the newer bikes. The problem for some people is that Harley is not working on the older bikes (10 years or older) so if you buy an older bike you will have to fix it or find someone in your area that still works on them.
It’s great to hear that you’ve had such a reliable experience with your 2018 Road Glide! You make a good point about the challenges of maintaining older models, especially as technology evolves. Finding a good mechanic who knows the classics can be key for those who prefer the older bikes, but the older bikes are easier to work on without all of the technology! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
You’ve hit on a significant issue! The trend toward more computerization can definitely lead to planned obsolescence, making it harder for everyday riders. It’s frustrating when the focus seems to shift more toward sales than durability and reliability. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! MB
I respect your perspective! Many riders appreciate the simplicity and classic feel of older bikes. It’s all about finding what aligns with your riding style and preferences. Old school has its own charm that’s hard to beat! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
I understand where you’re coming from! There’s definitely something to be said for the simplicity and charm of classic bikes. However, many riders appreciate the technology for its safety features and convenience. It’s all about finding the right balance between tradition and innovation! Thank you for commenting! MB
There is a recall on the 2024 touring models to replace the main faulty wiring harness. I own a 23 Street Glide 107. This is my 3rd HD. My first 2019 Heritage Classic was a leaker due to poorly machined parts. It also burned an excessive amount of oil. It was a 114. My second 2020 Freewheeler 114 had bad lifters at 8000 miles and ate the cam. After the repairs at 8500 miles, the engine sumped and the engine died. It also burned excessive oil. HD dealership quoted me $8500 to rebuild if rebuildable and $14000 for a new crate engine. I sold the trike as is and purchased a new 23 Street Glide. It threw a P1510 code (2000 miles) after I noticed it with a slight surge when cold in 1st gear only. It also backfired one time through the air cleaner. I took it into the stealership where they told me that these are manmade mechanical machines that do weird sh*t every so often. I laughed. Any hoot, they quoted me one hour of labor to inspect at $170. If they found a problem under warranty, I would not have to pay the $170. Well, they said they saw the code but could find nothing wrong with the bike. I complained and got the charge cut in half. It still does it occasionally. But, I will live with it until it breaks. They have found a way to discourage warranty claims. First time in my 45 years of riding dealing with a manufacturer that treats their customers this way. Shameful. I have a 5-year extended Jim Palmer warranty. I will NEVER ride a HD without a warranty. NEVER! This will be my last HD for sure. I don't trust HD's reliability. And I have had nothing but bad experiences with their stealership service departments. I will never purchase one of these computer screen bikes. I like simple analog gauges. Not a television screen mounted to a fairing. The world is getting too complex. Everyone is trying to outdo the guy next door. Not a fan. Great video. Thanks : - )
@@ride1400fast I was quite surprised... it was a young kid with an attitude. so young that he has never seen a record or cassette player. if I ever have to go back into that place, I will deal directly with the service manager. at $170 an hour labor cost I should get red carpet treatment. take care : - )
I appreciate you sharing your experiences. It sounds like you’ve had quite a journey with your Harleys, and I can understand your frustration with the reliability and service. It’s tough when expectations aren’t met, especially after investing in a bike. Your perspective on simplicity and analog gauges is definitely shared by many riders. Thanks for commenting! MB
The recall is to zip tie a wire to the voltage regulator not the main harness. This has nothing to do with new technology as voltage regulators have been on our bikes for how long now?
@@jessel.8697 not always the case... several owners have had the entire harness replaced due to faulty manufacturing. what you are referring to is a preventive measure. my point was to share yet another issue with these newer bikes. I would never purchase any new HD design for at least 3 years until MOST of the bugs are ironed out. I have zero interest in being a test rat for HD.
That’s a solid choice! Many riders appreciate the simplicity and reliability of older models. It’s all about finding what fits your style and preferences best. Enjoy your 2014! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Its not just harley brother , all the makes of cars , motorcycles , anything on wheels has too much tech IMO ... Personally , a screen on a motorcycle is pretty dumb as I rarely look even at my gauges , i am more focused on not getting killed and and enjoying the electronic less environment that bikes provide . Its pretty bad that you cant ride your bike because its throwing codes , flashing idiot lights , no thank you ... I like older bikes . simple and effective , and reliable
I agree everything is getting more techy. I completely understand your perspective! Many riders appreciate the simplicity and direct connection of older bikes. Too much tech can definitely detract from the riding experience, and it's frustrating when issues arise from it. There's definitely something special about keeping it simple and enjoyable! Thank you for commenting! MB
If and when Harley can do OTA software updates, then there will be issues. OTA updates may/will require internet connection. My experience on cellphones and computers is that if you do not regularly install the updates, the devices tend to behave erratically until the update is installed and applied. This too will happen on Harley, making the task very intrusive and onerous and especially inconvenient if your are traveling to anywhere. 🤔
You raise some valid concerns about OTA updates! It’s true that having to rely on internet connectivity while traveling could be inconvenient. Many riders prefer a straightforward experience, so finding a balance between tech advancements and usability will be key for Harley moving forward. Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
I ride a 2012 FLHXSE3 CVO Street Glide. It's a gorgeous bike in Hot Citrus (metallic orange) on the top and Antique Gunstock (metallic brown) down low, with ghost flames on all tins including the color-matched detachable Tour Pak I added. The ONLY computers on the bike are the ECM and the ABS controller, and the 400W 8-speaker audio system that I rarely ever even use anymore. When the engine wears out I'll have it rebuilt better or maybe drop in an S&S 124" engine, and maybe a Baker 7-speed with reverse. And then keep riding it. Beats spending $40K+ on a new one loaded with dubious electronic gadgetry and then having to play the game you guys are talking about. I LOVE the classic looks of the pre-Rushmore bikes, and I HATE the new look of the 2024 SG... I'm just not into the whole new modern look at ALL.
The RG/SG is Harleys flagship bike. Consistently the most expensive bikes on the market. None of them come with any of the upgrades that would be considered "luxury" on a luxury bike at a luxury price. Harley cannot afford to tip toe in the backfield. They have to come bold. The new generation that is in their prime market, men currently in their 30s and 40s, demand it. This generation will now allow Harley to get away with what previous generations did.
The expectations for luxury and features have definitely evolved, and it’s important for Harley to keep up with the demands of the current market. Bold moves could really help attract the new generation of riders, but it is also about balancing the old with the new. Thanks for sharing your insights! 😎 MB
Just got my bike back... after 4 times in the dealership... infotainment was just replaced. So basically I'm screwed...will be trading the bike in for a Limited.
That sounds frustrating! It's tough when you have to deal with so many issues. Trading for a Limited could be a good move if it meets your needs better. I hope you find a Great bike and enjoy many miles of smiles. Thank you for commenting! MB
There is no escaping digital tachometers, even scooters now have digital tachometers. I avoid riding in the rain when possible because if water was to leak anywhere on these digital displays, it's all over!
That’s a valid concern! Digital displays do come with their own set of challenges, especially when it comes to weather resistance. Many riders still prefer the simplicity and reliability of analog gauges for that reason. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍 MB
Good Information , was thinking About Waiting for the New Infrotainment , but Now - Oh Hell No !!! You guys helped me Learn from your Video ! Thank you !
I don't think I would touch a new HD with these large screens with all the gauges within it. Heat and vibration are hard on electronics as well as that it's exposed to the elements. Sure an extended warranty is probably a good idea but eventually that warranty ends.
I get that concern! It can be tough to balance modern tech with the classic riding experience. It will be interesting to see how these concerns are met. Thank you for commenting! MB
Great topic. The accelerated obsolescence of tech is a factor as well. Although the Skyline OS is much better than Boom Box, the motorcycle itself will outlive its tech by decades. How fast will Skyline become “obsolete”? Also, the resale value of a perfectly good $20,000.00 bike will be hurt by its outdated tech (which represents only a fraction of the bike’s mechanical value). Talk about a pricey rabbit hole 😏
You raise some excellent points! The rapid pace of tech changes can definitely impact resale value and longevity. It’ll be interesting to see how manufacturers address this in the future. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 😎 MB
I ride a stripped down HD Softail to get away from technology. I ride for the pure raw enjoyment of the ride. I'll keep my older bikes running before I ever buy a new junk HD.
Sounds like you really appreciate the simplicity and freedom of riding! There’s something special about those classic bikes. Thank you for commenting! MB
I'm curious how many motorcyclists actually want all these electronic bells and whistles. For the record, I don't. I've seen on cars and pickups how difficult CAN Bus and LIN can be to trouble shoot and how expensive it can be to repair these systems. I think it's gotten to the point where vehicle manufacturers put this technology on/in bikes I think just because they can. We've all seen how all this electronic stuff does fail, again on older cars and pickups. It's just a matter of time. So, I ask, how many actually want this stuff? More realistically, how many actually NEED this stuff? There's a lot to be said for hard wiring and fuses instead of modules and CAN Bus and LIN.
Many riders share your concerns about the complexity and potential for failure with modern electronics. It’s clear that while some enjoy the added features, there’s a strong sentiment for simplicity and reliability in bikes. A return to more straightforward systems could definitely resonate with a lot of enthusiasts. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I like how you touched on electronic components not being available 15-20 years from now. This will be a problem. It is a problem with cars now. The only item you missed is your NEED to do software updates. These motorcycles are connected to your wifi, which connects to the internet. Software updates for security updates are critical due to the phenomenon of zero day hacks. I have a Sony TV. Paid top dollar for it. It stopped getting software updates three years ago. It runs Android 8.0. The list of hacks on Android 8.0 since the updates stopped is long. I disconnected the TV from the network. Not sure I can do that with this motorcycle. The concern I have is how long will Harley keep updating the software on these motorcycles for security reasons. 10 years, 20 years? Probably neither. Maybe 5 years after the compute is updated in newer models. When the security related software updates stop for a device, I stop using the device.
You raise a great point about the importance of ongoing software updates, especially for connected devices like motorcycles. It’s concerning to think about the longevity of these updates and the potential security risks if they stop. Hopefully, manufacturers will prioritize this and provide longer support to ensure rider safety and device functionality. Thank you for commenting! MB
Niether of you are wrong here. Tying the entire use of a bike to a screen that experiences weather and jolts and bumps was a poor decision. The big screen looked out dated the day it was released. Forcing updates by people who are not tech savvy will brick many units, not that the motorco will acknowledge it. Late twin cam and going backwards. No need for this stuff here. No screens to fail. Built my 96ci to a 106ci in my garage. It fills the needs i have for a cruiser. Good tune and fresh tires. Yall stay safe! We appreciate you asking the real questions! (Who wants to hope their software doesn't hang and brick the bike? Better off with a coughing on start early twin cam) Yall ride safe
You bring up some great points! There’s definitely a lot to be said for the reliability of older models without all the tech. It’s awesome that you built your 96ci to a 106ci-sounds like a solid ride! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and ride safe out there! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
I understand your frustration regarding the discontinuation of your preferred model. The evolution of Harley's lineup has certainly shifted towards different styles and markets, which may not appeal to all long-time Harley Riders. Thank you for commenting! MB
I had recently been to a Harley Davidson dealer, talking to a salesman and found out that they actually lease Harley Davidson’s, maybe this is the answer, I know it is the answer for my new 2023 Chevy Silverado, I had recently seen a video on UA-cam About a Ford F150 that had a problem with the tail lights or all the lights on the back of the vehicle, by the time the lights were repaired it had cost $5000 because water had entered the tail light and corroded the harness, but it’s not just that it also stopped the engine from running, all the troubleshooting and parts and labor, wiring harness, the work was done by a competent Ford mechanic that I believe he did the work at home. To me, maybe leasing could be the answer or just treating your motorcycle in Every four years or so and Harley will give you a good down payment a new bike each time😮 32:4132:41
That is certainly an interesting idea, that might work well for low mileage riders, who don't do a lot of work to "make it their own." "A typical mileage limit on a Harley-Davidson lease is around 5,000 miles per year" Great idea, and thank you for your comment! KP
I totally understand your hesitation. Many riders have their own preferences and concerns when it comes to new technology and features. It’s important to find a bike that feels right for you! Thank you for commenting! MB
It’s frustrating when tech issues affect the overall riding experience. I hope they get it figured out and fixed if it is an issue. Thank you for commenting! MB
Cars have been computerized for years now. It does not seem to be an issue that I am aware of. Lets hope the same will hold true in this case. I remember when computers and fuel injection first came into the seen, on automobiles, back in the day. The same discussions where being had. Those concerns never did become a big issue as predicted. This is from a 70 year old dude that has lived through all this electronic evolution and survived!
But, remember it’s a Harley and the “New Harley”, is void of common sense and logic and is destined to be a luxury brand and since it’s trying to become elite, Harley’s logic is, we the customers don’t have any logic and we can afford to pay Harley to repair our new Harley’s, much like a Range Rover ( elite, expensive and unreliable). I wonder if it’s part of the new corporate strategy to increase revenue for the service departments and to eliminate competition from the aftermarket. It’s making the pre 24 models more desirable. Just saying.🤔
That’s a great point! Many advancements in automotive tech have proven reliable over time. It’s interesting to see how concerns evolve as technology improves. Thanks for sharing your insights! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
@@WangChung69 You make assumptions. Oh well. I guess I'll get back on my 2022 Heritage that has run flawlessly for 40,000 miles now, and wait for it to break down.
My newest bike is a 2016 but it’s a Fat Bob so not a lot of tech on it compared to anything with a fairing. That being said, I won’t ever own a newer H-D. The older I get, the more I appreciate carburated Evo’s, and that’s all I will buy anymore. I’ll keep my Fat Bob because my son likes it, but I don’t have any interest in any of the new tech. I ride to get away from that shit. Kinda wish I could get rid of my cell phone too but my wife won’t let that happen!
I totally get that! There’s something special about the simplicity and character of carbureted bikes. It’s great that your son enjoys the Fat Bob too! Riding should be an escape, and sometimes less tech means more freedom. As for the phone, maybe a compromise could help. Like a designated phone-free ride day! Thank you for commenting! MB
I just traded in my 2022 Tri-Glide CVO because of it was throwing too many engine codes and would go into Limp Mode usually when I was in stop & go traffic but it did it once when I was passing a semi Truck on the hisar between LaGrande and Baker city Oregon. I traded it in one a 2024 Indian Roadmaster Elite hopefully the computers on this bike will not be like the Harley's.
That’s a strong opinion! I really hope that’s not the case, as it would be frustrating for many riders. Quality and reliability should always be a priority. 👍 MB
Yep. Tech bro's out of control everywhere. They're shutting everything down. Hell, the Navy cancelled an entire ship class cause it took 3 years to get all the software to work. Ridiculous.
That’s a valid frustration! It’s frustrating when tech issues impact crucial systems. Finding a balance between innovation and reliability is definitely a challenge. Thank you for commenting! MB
I don't know much about Harleys, but almost every modern car can have all kinds of electronic glitches. I hit a deer so hard with my 2016 Yamaha FZ-07 that my speedo / instrument panel that it died and I had to replace it . Replacing my Instrument panel entailed two bolts and unplugging the wire harness and plugging it into the new one. This was in 2020 and thanks the Plandemic I had to wait about 60 days for the new part.
That sounds like a tough experience, but at least the repair was relatively straightforward! Glad you got your bike fixed. Wishing you many miles of smiles! Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts yes fixed my bike in 2019 and 2020 then I hit another Deer in July . So I have bent forks radiator smashed headlight and front fender again .
So let’s get this straight, the pre 2000 mc is the only bikes to own. This is the future of almost all motorcycles, what do you expect the consumers to ride if someone wants a newer machine. I just bought a 2024 sierra GMC 2500 that has already had a software update. Sign of the times ! Yes agree to much tech on everything we drive or ride.
Yes, everything is getting more technical. It’s true that newer bikes/vehicles will increasingly feature advanced technology, and many consumers are looking for modern machines. While I appreciate the simplicity of pre-2000 bikes, I also understand the need for innovation. It’ll be interesting to see how manufacturers balance tech with reliability moving forward! Thank you for commenting! MB
Many riders feel strongly about how changes impact their experience. It’s important to voice those concerns, and hopefully, the company takes note to improve. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Hey guys ! DK CUSTOM PRODUCTS FOR LIFE !! Has nothing to do with the video but with order purchases do you think we could start getting some badass DK Stickers instead of chapstick 😂 would be nice 👍 . Keep up the good work fellas !
Kevin👍this is a great video! In my view Harley keeps shooting themselves in the foot more and more. There is no room here for me to add my problems but now a days after loving the Brand I am more & more less interested in Harley any more, another words it just is not any fun any more. Thanks men for this info…
I have a 24 Road Glide and the infotainment Center is horrible the 24s definitely aren't worth the price they are charging for them and don't try to trade it in you will take a serious hit
I’m sorry to hear you’re having issues with your 24 Road Glide's infotainment center! It can be frustrating when the features don’t meet expectations, especially at that price point. Hopefully, there will be updates or improvements that enhance your experience. Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
You’re absolutely right! Software updates have been around for a while. It’s crazy how much technology has advanced in motorcycles. Thanks you for commenting! 👍 MB
This is just a case of old men not understanding technology. How old is the oldest CAN bus vehicle? CAN (Car Area Network) is the vehicle equivalent of today’s computer networks, with the key word being computer. Computers have been used in and to run vehicles for decades now. We can at least expect the computers in these bikes to last that long if we are using history as the measure. They are built to a certain reliability standard that is far above the computer on your desk. A lot of that is in their simplicity, but they are also environmentally hardened and have strict parameters around how software is written for them. Also they are not specifically made with the idea that additional features will be added to them. Meaning that there is not the same risk of the system becoming slower because Harley decided to add a third O2 sensor to the system thus causing feature bloat in the software. I say this all this from the perspective of someone who has had a long career in the technology space and see things from the other side of the table.
The evolution of technology in vehicles, including motorcycles, is fascinating, and it’s true that modern systems are designed for reliability. It’s interesting to see how perceptions differ, especially among riders who value simplicity versus those embracing the tech advancements. Thanks for sharing your insights! 😎 MB
The components only last so long. The warranty only lasts so long. The dealers only work on older models so long. The dealerships only stay in business so long. Ownership can only last as long as you can do it yourself.
You make some valid points about the challenges of ownership over time. Maintaining older bikes can be a real commitment, and it’s important for owners to be prepared for that. DIY skills definitely come in handy in the long run! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
First year Harley blues sure sucks when it's YOUR bike. I have a new vehicle that does everything but b**w you. My mechanic told me that car needs to be driven twice a week to keep the battery fully charged and all the " computers" talk to each other......The new Harleys are the same way now!
HD working out their electrical problems one customer at a time? Then down time while you’re waiting to get the problem fixed. Not good. Best of luck with your bike.
Thanks for the well wishes! I agree, waiting for repairs can be frustrating, especially with electrical issues. Hopefully, they’ll improve their support and solutions to minimize downtime for everyone. Thank you for commenting! MB
Absolutely, you’re right! The electronics in modern bikes play a crucial role in overall performance and safety, acting like a second brain. It’s fascinating how integrated technology has become in enhancing the riding experience. Thanks for pointing that out! 😎 MB
Could a solution be for the aftermarket to come up with "conversion kits" to convert these gizmo/module/tech loaded bikes back to hard wiring and fuses and analog?
That's a creative solution! Aftermarket conversion kits could really fill a niche for riders who prefer the simplicity of analog systems. It would be interesting to see if companies would explore that option, as it could appeal to many who want to customize their bikes for a more traditional experience. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍 MB
I had a brand new 2011 Dyna wide glide and had dealer install new exhaust and air cleaner and high perf aka non EPA tune to computer( back when HD dealers could do this). Well the dealership somehow fragged the computer and replaced it under warranty. These problems are not new.
It sounds like you had quite the experience with your 2011 Dyna! It’s frustrating when issues arise, especially after modifications. It’s true that these types of problems have been around for a while, and it's important for dealers to get it right, especially with performance upgrades. Thanks for sharing your story! Thank you for commenting! 👍MB
It's definitely frustrating when parts become obsolete, especially for newer models. It's important to be aware of these potential issues and plan accordingly. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Thinking about getting extended warranty didn’t get when I bought my bike . My local dealer offered it for me on my last visit . Do you have a contact info where y’all get the warranty from any info would be appreciated.
This is the information for where Kevin gets his extended warranty from that covers aftermarket parts as well - www.motorcycleagent.com/ Jim@MotorcycleAgent.com Phone: (800) 920-0890 Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
You're absolutely right, modern tech has made vehicles more reliable overall. It's a balance, though, between innovation and keeping that classic, hands-on feel that many riders love about Harleys. Thank you for commenting! MB
There is no doubt the technology is new to Harley, but infotainment screens are not new. There will be teething pains, but I believe they will get it worked out. With that being said, I would not buy ANY thing that has that much new tech the first year.
You make a valid point! New tech often comes with a learning curve, and it’s smart to wait until it’s more established. Hopefully, as they refine the system, it’ll enhance the riding experience in the long run. Your caution is definitely understandable! Thank you for commenting! MB
That’s a realistic perspective! It’s important for buyers to understand the changes in technology and design. Setting expectations can really help in enjoying the ride, no matter the model. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Thank you for commenting! 😎👍 MB
I've got a 2007 Dyna streetbob and a 2016 lowriders,which the electronics haven't caused me any problems,but I have no interest in the late model Harley's due the high tech in these bikes,I think the electronic throttle in my lowrider is bad enough,they maybe faster and more responsive but the reliability won't be there anymore
That’s a fair perspective! Many riders prefer the simplicity and reliability of older models. While the tech can enhance performance, it can also raise concerns about long-term reliability. It’s all about what fits your riding style best! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I must say I do not like all this electronic computerized stuff at all, I'm on a fixed income and I'm struggling just to keep insurance on the bike and keeping up maintenance I can do, oil changes and tire replacements are literally costing more than the income I have, my 2012 Street glide 103 I pray God's grace over it as often as I can and I put it in his hands I love my bike and I had dreams of one day buying a brand new one but that will never happen, because I do not trust any of this electronic overload stuff period!!!
I completely understand your concerns. It’s tough when the costs of maintenance and insurance start to add up, especially on a fixed income. Your love for your 2012 Street Glide really shines through, and it’s important to stick with what you trust. Many riders share your feelings about the simplicity of older bikes. Wishing you all the best with your ride! Thank you for commenting! 👍MB
Well a lot of automotive stuff we can’t get ecms bcms etc. Some of the oem software will let you program used parts ford will. Chrysler and GM won’t with dealer tools. But there is software that will let you do that. There is also software that lets you clone bcms, ecms, etc by reading the EPROMs and flash. Someone figures that out on bikes that would be awesome.
As the tech evolves, it’ll be interesting to see what solutions emerge for the biking community. Having more options for repairs and upgrades could really help extend the lifespan of these bikes! Thank you for commenting! MB
This is what happens when you hire same old school guys who know nothing about high tech. Paying over 30,000 dollars for a bike and it stalls😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. But people continue to buy BAD products 😂😂😂😂
You make a valid point about the balance between tradition and modern technology. It can be frustrating when high-tech features don’t perform as expected, especially at that price point. Hopefully, manufacturers will continue to improve and address these issues as they innovate! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
A sensor like that could be helpful with suspension management, especially for those who want to keep things balanced. It sounds like you have some entertaining experiences with your ride! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
What you mentioned about the software being developed, that is happened with my PanAmerica, after all the numerous updates, I have had ZERO issues with the bike. Harley is a motorcycle company, not a software company, you have to be patient with them. ua-cam.com/video/2OnvvTM36_M/v-deo.htmlsi=b-s6vdmeLtLWjVD6&t=1379 The good all “turn it off and turn it back on again” LOL, it is not crazy, it works because if the software runs into a bug, the system will go back to a normal state when it powers back on
It’s great to hear you’ve had a positive experience with your Pan America after the updates! Patience with evolving tech can definitely pay off. And you're right, sometimes a simple reset can solve a lot of issues! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for commenting! 👍 MB
I understand your concerns! Leadership changes can impact a company's direction. It will be interesting to see where they go from here. Thank you for commenting! MB
Its cheaper to build these, same in cars. that flashy big digital screen is mass produced and can be modified easily for each bike. the analog gauges are way more expensive to build and to fit in individual bikes.. I look at screens all day, I will take a pass on the bike and keep analog as long as possible
That’s a valid perspective! Many riders appreciate the classic feel of analog gauges. There's definitely a charm and simplicity to them that can be more enjoyable, especially when you want to disconnect from screens. It’s great that you know what you prefer! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
ya think, only time any update be needed is when do a mod when changing air fuel mixture. i hate all the new vehicles with computers and sensors. the computerize vehicles for those who don't know how to do proper maintenace. i don't believe i will buy a newer bike, have 2-2011's and 2012. i am hoping to get 2 cars i have going, zero computers, 3rd owner of a 63 dodge polara 2dr hardtop matching number original owner manual and 4th owner grandparents 2nd, 1974 mercedes 230 same with import papers. hopefully have them going within the next yr.
Sounds like you have a great collection! I totally get the appeal of older vehicles without all the tech, there's something special about the simplicity and hands-on maintenance. Thank you for commenting! MB
That’s a good point! Motorcycles are definitely exposed to the elements more than cars, which can impact the longevity and performance of electronic components. It’s important for manufacturers to consider those challenges in their designs! Thank you for commenting! 👍😎 MB
I would never buy a new one. There is too much technology for my taste. Three of my Harleys, 1949, 1957, and 1968, are old technology and fixable by me. The 2012, I picked up a while back, I hope I can obtain electronic parts as I need them. If not, I'll have to cannibalize something if there is no aftermarket support.
I totally get your preference for the classics! There’s something special about working on older bikes that have simpler technology. It’s great that you’re able to maintain those vintage Harleys. Hopefully, you'll find the parts you need for the 2012 model, but it’s always good to have a backup plan like cannibalizing for parts. Keeping the spirit of those older bikes alive is what it’s all about! Thank you for commenting! MB
Harley has screwed the bikes up with all the electronics and they are not needed and I have a 2022 tri glide and look how hard it is to even get to the battery .The problem is they can’t fix the components all they do is replace the parts .And what happens in ten years when these parts are obsolete and nobody makes them or fixes them .
You bring up some valid concerns. The increasing complexity of electronics can definitely make maintenance tricky, and it’s frustrating when parts become hard to access or obsolete. Many riders share your feelings about wanting more straightforward solutions. It’ll be interesting to see how manufacturers address these challenges in the future! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
That’s a great choice if you prefer the classic style and simplicity! Old school bikes definitely have their own charm and reliability. Enjoy the ride! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
That’s a valid concern! With increasing technology in vehicles, many riders worry about privacy and control. It’s important to stay informed and advocate for transparency in how these systems work. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Imagine your speedometer goes out and now everything is dead........imagine the replacement costs😂 ill keep my 07 street glide. Oh and now you cant change to aftermarket radio😂
That’s a real concern! The integration of electronics can definitely complicate repairs and upgrades. Sticking with your 07 Street Glide makes a lot of sense if you value simplicity and reliability. Plus, classic bikes have their own charm! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
@@DKCustomProducts definitely not. The technology is only good in the computer. Not a bike or car for that matter, but they have to keep up with this younger generation that like gadgets.
Are you riding a bike or driving a car? Screens, bags, fairings and god knows what else? Just buy a sports car and leave the bike riding to those that get it!
I understand where you're coming from! There’s definitely a different vibe between riding bikes and driving cars. Some people appreciate the added tech and comfort on their rides, while others prefer the classic experience. Ultimately, it’s all about personal preference and what each rider values in their experience. Thank you for commenting! MB
I have a reading for this reason. Bike are to complicated. It's a car with two wheels. Not what riding is about. Harley is out of touch with motorcycle riding
Interesting perspective! I can see how some might feel that way about the evolution of bikes. Riding can definitely mean different things to different people. Thank you for commenting! MB
I will try, to not be too, belligerent here. But if I am belligerent I don't apologize. Harley-Davidson corporation killed the soul of the motorcycle. If you want to ride a laptop, then buy a laptop and ride it. If you want to ride a motorcycle then make and ride a motorcycle. Does anyone know what a real motorcycle is anymore.
I appreciate your passion for motorcycles! It’s clear that many feel strongly about the essence of riding and what it means. There’s definitely a difference between the simplicity of traditional bikes and the tech-heavy models today. It’s important for everyone to find what resonates with them in the riding experience. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! MB
That’s why I went back to the road king special .. touring size without all the extra junk
Glad you have a bike that you enjoy riding! Thank you for commenting! MB
i sold my 2016 Street Glide Special and now have a 2022 Road King Standard…came from the factory with no California emissions and no ABS and no “infotainment system”.
Pure riding joy and easy to wrench on.
Historically, Harley ECM’s have been just about bulletproof.
Yep, the newer Road King's have less computers on them than the bikes with fairings. My first Bagger was a 2005 Road King, lots of great memories riding that bike!
The 2022 does have a BCM and an ECM (agree, the ECM rarely has an issue)...but they do NOT come standard with the RDRS, so that is less there too.
Thanks for commenting!
KP
I fuckin hate the new giant computer screen on the new bikes. Not for me.
I totally get that! The big screens can be a big change. Some people love them, some people hate them. Thank you for commenting! MB
Wondering how this computer stuff is going to hold up for those of us who ride in the rain
Great question! Harley's electronics are designed to be weather-resistant, but we always recommend checking your bike’s manual for specific maintenance tips after riding in wet conditions. Thank you for commenting! MB
You are so right on this, and garbage is the right word. It's not that the parts are terrible, what's garbage is the complexity of the design and the lack of adaptability or interchangeability. There is no excuse for these parts not to be plug and play. The promise of software based technology is that programing allows flexibility in function but that is not what Harley is delivering. The instruments situation on most of the product line is so messed up that lowly owners can't work on them at all, indy shops staffed with experts can't reliably repair or swap them, and even the dealerships have trouble working on them. The aftermarket can't keep up, and the end result is that for a 'performance' bike like FXLRST you cannot buy a speedometer with a needle at any price, and from my conversations with aftermarket mfgs you won't ever. If you put a gauge from a bike with one different function onto a different bike you end up with an ever present error that only black tape can cover. Even if you swap gauges on two bikes with the same functions, like say the round FXLRS gauge onto a FXLRST to replace the stupid illegible digital gauge, the chances are you will be making a visit to the dealer to hand over $200 for a flash that the neighborhood independent shop cannot do. And that crap digital gauge that you took off, probably isn't going to work on any other bike, it's now a brick and it will not function ever again even though all the mileage data is stored somewhere else. It's frustrating knowing that I can't do simple repairs like bleeding the brakes on the side of the road without a flash, and it's scary and annoying to think that 15-25 years from now Harley won't be making the proprietary electronics that are needed to keep these things running. We like to think that if you buy H-D that you can keep it on the road indefinitely and right now that just ain't the case.
If anybody from the motor company is reading this please provide us a pair of ports on every bike to plug (2) cheap dumb gauges into, a tachometer and a speedometer. We also need you to sell some slightly smarter gauges that can be programmed from a phone app; remember that all the data is coming from the bike so all we need to be able to do is add and map some icons for all the stupid features that you keep adding. Personally, although I'd like a rain mode, I don't need the ride modes. But I do need a speedometer that I can read at a glance, you know the kind with a needle that every car, truck, motorcycle, air plane and train has had for the last 100 fucking years. The Pan American gauge would do the trick, but I could use one from a Nightster, Heritage, Fat Boy, Road King, or even from one of the Limited(s). It's the fact that these cannot be adapted that is so annoying, come on H-D engineers, it's just a motorcycle, de-complicate it.
You’ve articulated some very valid concerns. The complexity and lack of adaptability in the newer models can indeed be frustrating for riders who value straightforward maintenance and repairs. It’s clear that many enthusiasts want more flexibility and simplicity in design, and your suggestions for gauge compatibility are spot on. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I rebuilt my 2012 Ultra in 21 instead of buying a new one. I'm glad I did.
That’s awesome! Rebuilding your bike can be a rewarding experience, and it sounds like you made a great choice. There’s something special about putting in the effort to bring a bike back to life. Enjoy the ride! Thank you for commenting! MB
You hit the nail right on top of the head when you mentioned product "life cycle." Estimates on any product life cycle are purely subjective at best. Manufacturers are the ones in charge of a product's development and prototype testing. Trying to emulate the longevity of something is extremely complex. This is what the customer is for.
The product life cycle is indeed complex and relies heavily on manufacturer decisions and customer feedback. It's a balance between innovation and maintaining quality, and customer input plays a crucial role in shaping that process. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍 MB
I’m really glad I bought my 23 before these new bikes. I’m only 45 and don’t want these new bikes. My bike is still simple enough to work on.
Less electronics will certainly make it more simple for people to work on their own bikes. Glad you have a bike you are happy with. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
While big screens and infotainment on motorbikes are certainly not my thing, people probably said same about "too much unreliable tech" when electronic start first came out to replace kick starters, and then again when fuel injection first made an appearance, etc...
That’s a solid perspective! Technology often evolves and can enhance the riding experience, even if it seems daunting at first. Just like with electronic starters and fuel injection, it’s all about finding the right balance between innovation and reliability. Thank you for commenting! MB
Electric start is nothing more than an electric motor. Electric, NOT electronic. HUGE difference. EFI is pure TRASH. Thats where this nightmare started. I have worked on EFI vehicles as a mechanic. I learned enough to know that I would NEVER consider owning one. I'm an old school hot rodder. I will never own anything that isn't 100% mechanical with a rudimentary 12V electrical system that can be worked on with a simple multimeter.
Electric is not Electronic. It's not electronic computers.. It's just an electric motor engaged when you push a button ..
@@mikeskidmore6754 Exactly.
I know I'm in the minority, but the screen and LEDs are the reasons I went with a 2024 RG. I'm a tech nerd and love it, even with the quirks and bugs.
That's awesome! It’s great to hear you’re enjoying the tech features of your 2024 Road Glide. Embracing innovation can definitely enhance the riding experience, especially for tech enthusiasts. I think Devin likes the tech as well. Thank you for commenting! 👍😎👍 MB
I ride my bike to get away from things like tech. I honestly do not understand people who spend thousands on music components such as expensive speakers. What did people drink before bottled water, how did people communicate before text messaging, social media? Tech is good but it does have negatives on society. Too bad.
I completely understand where you’re coming from! Riding is often a great way to disconnect and enjoy the moment without all the distractions of modern tech. It’s true that while technology can enhance certain experiences, it can also complicate things. Finding that balance is key! Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts Apart from being distracting.
I have a 2018 Roadglide with the 107. Have 66000 miles on it and have not had the 1st problem. I will not buy any of the newer bikes. The problem for some people is that Harley is not working on the older bikes (10 years or older) so if you buy an older bike you will have to fix it or find someone in your area that still works on them.
It’s great to hear that you’ve had such a reliable experience with your 2018 Road Glide! You make a good point about the challenges of maintaining older models, especially as technology evolves. Finding a good mechanic who knows the classics can be key for those who prefer the older bikes, but the older bikes are easier to work on without all of the technology! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
U hit that nail. Too much computer stuff. Planned obsolescence increases new unit sales. Hummmmm.
You’ve hit on a significant issue! The trend toward more computerization can definitely lead to planned obsolescence, making it harder for everyday riders. It’s frustrating when the focus seems to shift more toward sales than durability and reliability. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! MB
When they started all this craziness I refuse to buy one …. The word hostage is not something I’m interested in being
Old school forever
I respect your perspective! Many riders appreciate the simplicity and classic feel of older bikes. It’s all about finding what aligns with your riding style and preferences. Old school has its own charm that’s hard to beat! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
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Harley need to go back to basics less is more,
4K for a screen what a joke! Buy a new computer less than that😂
I understand where you’re coming from! There’s definitely something to be said for the simplicity and charm of classic bikes. However, many riders appreciate the technology for its safety features and convenience. It’s all about finding the right balance between tradition and innovation! Thank you for commenting! MB
There is a recall on the 2024 touring models to replace the main faulty wiring harness. I own a 23 Street Glide 107. This is my 3rd HD. My first 2019 Heritage Classic was a leaker due to poorly machined parts. It also burned an excessive amount of oil. It was a 114. My second 2020 Freewheeler 114 had bad lifters at 8000 miles and ate the cam. After the repairs at 8500 miles, the engine sumped and the engine died. It also burned excessive oil. HD dealership quoted me $8500 to rebuild if rebuildable and $14000 for a new crate engine. I sold the trike as is and purchased a new 23 Street Glide. It threw a P1510 code (2000 miles) after I noticed it with a slight surge when cold in 1st gear only. It also backfired one time through the air cleaner. I took it into the stealership where they told me that these are manmade mechanical machines that do weird sh*t every so often. I laughed. Any hoot, they quoted me one hour of labor to inspect at $170. If they found a problem under warranty, I would not have to pay the $170. Well, they said they saw the code but could find nothing wrong with the bike. I complained and got the charge cut in half. It still does it occasionally. But, I will live with it until it breaks. They have found a way to discourage warranty claims. First time in my 45 years of riding dealing with a manufacturer that treats their customers this way. Shameful. I have a 5-year extended Jim Palmer warranty. I will NEVER ride a HD without a warranty. NEVER! This will be my last HD for sure. I don't trust HD's reliability. And I have had nothing but bad experiences with their stealership service departments. I will never purchase one of these computer screen bikes. I like simple analog gauges. Not a television screen mounted to a fairing. The world is getting too complex. Everyone is trying to outdo the guy next door. Not a fan. Great video. Thanks : - )
Common theme among the dealers seems to be "your concern is a feature not a bug, have a nice day." Quite sad.
@@ride1400fast I was quite surprised... it was a young kid with an attitude. so young that he has never seen a record or cassette player. if I ever have to go back into that place, I will deal directly with the service manager. at $170 an hour labor cost I should get red carpet treatment. take care : - )
I appreciate you sharing your experiences. It sounds like you’ve had quite a journey with your Harleys, and I can understand your frustration with the reliability and service. It’s tough when expectations aren’t met, especially after investing in a bike. Your perspective on simplicity and analog gauges is definitely shared by many riders. Thanks for commenting! MB
The recall is to zip tie a wire to the voltage regulator not the main harness. This has nothing to do with new technology as voltage regulators have been on our bikes for how long now?
@@jessel.8697 not always the case... several owners have had the entire harness replaced due to faulty manufacturing. what you are referring to is a preventive measure. my point was to share yet another issue with these newer bikes. I would never purchase any new HD design for at least 3 years until MOST of the bugs are ironed out. I have zero interest in being a test rat for HD.
Also want to add, on my 23 LowRiderST, if I start the bike without allowing the bootup process, I get a boatload of trouble codes
It seems like the bootup process is important for avoiding trouble codes on the new models. Thank you for commenting! MB
Perfect example why my newest bike of the 3 I own is a 2014. Have know interest in anything newer.
That’s a solid choice! Many riders appreciate the simplicity and reliability of older models. It’s all about finding what fits your style and preferences best. Enjoy your 2014! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Its not just harley brother , all the makes of cars , motorcycles , anything on wheels has too much tech IMO ... Personally , a screen on a motorcycle is pretty dumb as I rarely look even at my gauges , i am more focused on not getting killed and and enjoying the electronic less environment that bikes provide . Its pretty bad that you cant ride your bike because its throwing codes , flashing idiot lights , no thank you ... I like older bikes . simple and effective , and reliable
I agree everything is getting more techy. I completely understand your perspective! Many riders appreciate the simplicity and direct connection of older bikes. Too much tech can definitely detract from the riding experience, and it's frustrating when issues arise from it. There's definitely something special about keeping it simple and enjoyable! Thank you for commenting! MB
Excellent conversation, Thank You 😎👍
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If and when Harley can do OTA software updates, then there will be issues. OTA updates may/will require internet connection. My experience on cellphones and computers is that if you do not regularly install the updates, the devices tend to behave erratically until the update is installed and applied. This too will happen on Harley, making the task very intrusive and onerous and especially inconvenient if your are traveling to anywhere. 🤔
You raise some valid concerns about OTA updates! It’s true that having to rely on internet connectivity while traveling could be inconvenient. Many riders prefer a straightforward experience, so finding a balance between tech advancements and usability will be key for Harley moving forward. Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
I ride a 2012 FLHXSE3 CVO Street Glide. It's a gorgeous bike in Hot Citrus (metallic orange) on the top and Antique Gunstock (metallic brown) down low, with ghost flames on all tins including the color-matched detachable Tour Pak I added. The ONLY computers on the bike are the ECM and the ABS controller, and the 400W 8-speaker audio system that I rarely ever even use anymore. When the engine wears out I'll have it rebuilt better or maybe drop in an S&S 124" engine, and maybe a Baker 7-speed with reverse. And then keep riding it. Beats spending $40K+ on a new one loaded with dubious electronic gadgetry and then having to play the game you guys are talking about. I LOVE the classic looks of the pre-Rushmore bikes, and I HATE the new look of the 2024 SG... I'm just not into the whole new modern look at ALL.
Understandable! Your bike sounds like she is a true beauty! Thank you for sharing and for commenting! 👍😎👍 MB
The RG/SG is Harleys flagship bike. Consistently the most expensive bikes on the market. None of them come with any of the upgrades that would be considered "luxury" on a luxury bike at a luxury price. Harley cannot afford to tip toe in the backfield. They have to come bold. The new generation that is in their prime market, men currently in their 30s and 40s, demand it. This generation will now allow Harley to get away with what previous generations did.
The expectations for luxury and features have definitely evolved, and it’s important for Harley to keep up with the demands of the current market. Bold moves could really help attract the new generation of riders, but it is also about balancing the old with the new. Thanks for sharing your insights! 😎 MB
Just got my bike back... after 4 times in the dealership... infotainment was just replaced. So basically I'm screwed...will be trading the bike in for a Limited.
That sounds frustrating! It's tough when you have to deal with so many issues. Trading for a Limited could be a good move if it meets your needs better. I hope you find a Great bike and enjoy many miles of smiles. Thank you for commenting! MB
Aftermarket will address all these issues.
It will be interesting to see how the aftermarket evolves to meet these challenges! 👍 😎 MB
There is no escaping digital tachometers, even scooters now have digital tachometers. I avoid riding in the rain when possible because if water was to leak anywhere on these digital displays, it's all over!
That’s a valid concern! Digital displays do come with their own set of challenges, especially when it comes to weather resistance. Many riders still prefer the simplicity and reliability of analog gauges for that reason. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍 MB
I have one, and the answer is YES!
Thank you for commenting! 👍😎👍 MB
Sorry for your bad luck ☹ I think these new bikes are over engendered I like the gages they look a lot better Best of luck 👍 😀
Thank you for the support! Wishing you many great rides ahead! Thank you for commenting! MB
Good Information , was thinking About Waiting for the New Infrotainment , but Now - Oh Hell No !!!
You guys helped me Learn from your Video !
Thank you !
It's all about finding the right fit! Glad you like the video. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I don't think I would touch a new HD with these large screens with all the gauges within it. Heat and vibration are hard on electronics as well as that it's exposed to the elements. Sure an extended warranty is probably a good idea but eventually that warranty ends.
I get that concern! It can be tough to balance modern tech with the classic riding experience. It will be interesting to see how these concerns are met. Thank you for commenting! MB
Great topic. The accelerated obsolescence of tech is a factor as well. Although the Skyline OS is much better than Boom Box, the motorcycle itself will outlive its tech by decades. How fast will Skyline become “obsolete”? Also, the resale value of a perfectly good $20,000.00 bike will be hurt by its outdated tech (which represents only a fraction of the bike’s mechanical value). Talk about a pricey rabbit hole 😏
You raise some excellent points! The rapid pace of tech changes can definitely impact resale value and longevity. It’ll be interesting to see how manufacturers address this in the future. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 😎 MB
I ride a stripped down HD Softail to get away from technology. I ride for the pure raw enjoyment of the ride. I'll keep my older bikes running before I ever buy a new junk HD.
Sounds like you really appreciate the simplicity and freedom of riding! There’s something special about those classic bikes. Thank you for commenting! MB
I'm curious how many motorcyclists actually want all these electronic bells and whistles. For the record, I don't. I've seen on cars and pickups how difficult CAN Bus and LIN can be to trouble shoot and how expensive it can be to repair these systems. I think it's gotten to the point where vehicle manufacturers put this technology on/in bikes I think just because they can. We've all seen how all this electronic stuff does fail, again on older cars and pickups. It's just a matter of time. So, I ask, how many actually want this stuff? More realistically, how many actually NEED this stuff? There's a lot to be said for hard wiring and fuses instead of modules and CAN Bus and LIN.
Many riders share your concerns about the complexity and potential for failure with modern electronics. It’s clear that while some enjoy the added features, there’s a strong sentiment for simplicity and reliability in bikes. A return to more straightforward systems could definitely resonate with a lot of enthusiasts. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I like how you touched on electronic components not being available 15-20 years from now. This will be a problem. It is a problem with cars now. The only item you missed is your NEED to do software updates. These motorcycles are connected to your wifi, which connects to the internet. Software updates for security updates are critical due to the phenomenon of zero day hacks. I have a Sony TV. Paid top dollar for it. It stopped getting software updates three years ago. It runs Android 8.0. The list of hacks on Android 8.0 since the updates stopped is long. I disconnected the TV from the network. Not sure I can do that with this motorcycle. The concern I have is how long will Harley keep updating the software on these motorcycles for security reasons. 10 years, 20 years? Probably neither. Maybe 5 years after the compute is updated in newer models. When the security related software updates stop for a device, I stop using the device.
You raise a great point about the importance of ongoing software updates, especially for connected devices like motorcycles. It’s concerning to think about the longevity of these updates and the potential security risks if they stop. Hopefully, manufacturers will prioritize this and provide longer support to ensure rider safety and device functionality. Thank you for commenting! MB
Niether of you are wrong here. Tying the entire use of a bike to a screen that experiences weather and jolts and bumps was a poor decision. The big screen looked out dated the day it was released.
Forcing updates by people who are not tech savvy will brick many units, not that the motorco will acknowledge it.
Late twin cam and going backwards. No need for this stuff here. No screens to fail.
Built my 96ci to a 106ci in my garage. It fills the needs i have for a cruiser. Good tune and fresh tires. Yall stay safe! We appreciate you asking the real questions! (Who wants to hope their software doesn't hang and brick the bike? Better off with a coughing on start early twin cam)
Yall ride safe
You bring up some great points! There’s definitely a lot to be said for the reliability of older models without all the tech. It’s awesome that you built your 96ci to a 106ci-sounds like a solid ride! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and ride safe out there! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
Harley discontinued the last bike I would buy from them back in 2022.
You couldn't give me one of these
"Wall Street Glides" they make now.
I understand your frustration regarding the discontinuation of your preferred model. The evolution of Harley's lineup has certainly shifted towards different styles and markets, which may not appeal to all long-time Harley Riders. Thank you for commenting! MB
I had recently been to a Harley Davidson dealer, talking to a salesman and found out that they actually lease Harley Davidson’s, maybe this is the answer, I know it is the answer for my new 2023 Chevy Silverado, I had recently seen a video on UA-cam About a Ford F150 that had a problem with the tail lights or all the lights on the back of the vehicle, by the time the lights were repaired it had cost $5000 because water had entered the tail light and corroded the harness, but it’s not just that it also stopped the engine from running, all the troubleshooting and parts and labor, wiring harness, the work was done by a competent Ford mechanic that I believe he did the work at home. To me, maybe leasing could be the answer or just treating your motorcycle in Every four years or so and Harley will give you a good down payment a new bike each time😮 32:41 32:41
That is certainly an interesting idea, that might work well for low mileage riders, who don't do a lot of work to "make it their own."
"A typical mileage limit on a Harley-Davidson lease is around 5,000 miles per year"
Great idea, and thank you for your comment!
KP
This is the main reason I do not want one
I totally understand your hesitation. Many riders have their own preferences and concerns when it comes to new technology and features. It’s important to find a bike that feels right for you! Thank you for commenting! MB
I just heard they are having problems with the new bikes radios going out and when that happens you lose all electronics in the dash.
It’s frustrating when tech issues affect the overall riding experience. I hope they get it figured out and fixed if it is an issue. Thank you for commenting! MB
Cars have been computerized for years now. It does not seem to be an issue that I am aware of. Lets hope the same will hold true in this case. I remember when computers and fuel injection first came into the seen, on automobiles, back in the day. The same discussions where being had. Those concerns never did become a big issue as predicted. This is from a 70 year old dude that has lived through all this electronic evolution and survived!
But, remember it’s a Harley and the “New Harley”, is void of common sense and logic and is destined to be a luxury brand and since it’s trying to become elite, Harley’s logic is, we the customers don’t have any logic and we can afford to pay Harley to repair our new Harley’s, much like a Range Rover ( elite, expensive and unreliable).
I wonder if it’s part of the new corporate strategy to increase revenue for the service departments and to eliminate competition from the aftermarket.
It’s making the pre 24 models more desirable.
Just saying.🤔
That’s a great point! Many advancements in automotive tech have proven reliable over time. It’s interesting to see how concerns evolve as technology improves. Thanks for sharing your insights! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
@@WangChung69 You make assumptions. Oh well. I guess I'll get back on my 2022 Heritage that has run flawlessly for 40,000 miles now, and wait for it to break down.
My newest bike is a 2016 but it’s a Fat Bob so not a lot of tech on it compared to anything with a fairing. That being said, I won’t ever own a newer H-D. The older I get, the more I appreciate carburated Evo’s, and that’s all I will buy anymore. I’ll keep my Fat Bob because my son likes it, but I don’t have any interest in any of the new tech. I ride to get away from that shit. Kinda wish I could get rid of my cell phone too but my wife won’t let that happen!
I totally get that! There’s something special about the simplicity and character of carbureted bikes. It’s great that your son enjoys the Fat Bob too! Riding should be an escape, and sometimes less tech means more freedom. As for the phone, maybe a compromise could help. Like a designated phone-free ride day! Thank you for commenting! MB
I just traded in my 2022 Tri-Glide CVO because of it was throwing too many engine codes and would go into Limp Mode usually when I was in stop & go traffic but it did it once when I was passing a semi Truck on the hisar between LaGrande and Baker city Oregon. I traded it in one a 2024 Indian Roadmaster Elite hopefully the computers on this bike will not be like the Harley's.
That sounds like a tough experience! I hope the Indian Roadmaster Elite treats you well. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
The HD execs are intentionally planning for these bikes to fail as soon as the loans are paid off so they can force you into a new bike
That’s a strong opinion! I really hope that’s not the case, as it would be frustrating for many riders. Quality and reliability should always be a priority. 👍 MB
Yep. Tech bro's out of control everywhere. They're shutting everything down. Hell, the Navy cancelled an entire ship class cause it took 3 years to get all the software to work. Ridiculous.
That’s a valid frustration! It’s frustrating when tech issues impact crucial systems. Finding a balance between innovation and reliability is definitely a challenge. Thank you for commenting! MB
Welp, I love my 2024 Road Glide.. but I loved my 2018 as well.
I am happy you are liking your 2024 Road Glide! Wishing you many miles of smiles! Thank you for commenting! MB
I don't know much about Harleys, but almost every modern car can have all kinds of electronic glitches.
I hit a deer so hard with my 2016 Yamaha FZ-07 that my speedo / instrument panel that it died and I had to replace it .
Replacing my Instrument panel entailed two bolts and unplugging the wire harness and plugging it into the new one. This was in 2020 and thanks the Plandemic I had to wait about 60 days for the new part.
That sounds like a tough experience, but at least the repair was relatively straightforward! Glad you got your bike fixed. Wishing you many miles of smiles! Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts yes fixed my bike in 2019 and 2020 then I hit another Deer in July . So I have bent forks radiator smashed headlight and front fender again .
Man that sucks. I am glad you are ok and I hope you get your bike fixed fast! MB
So let’s get this straight, the pre 2000 mc is the only bikes to own. This is the future of almost all motorcycles, what do you expect the consumers to ride if someone wants a newer machine. I just bought a 2024 sierra GMC 2500 that has already had a software update. Sign of the times ! Yes agree to much tech on everything we drive or ride.
Yes, everything is getting more technical. It’s true that newer bikes/vehicles will increasingly feature advanced technology, and many consumers are looking for modern machines. While I appreciate the simplicity of pre-2000 bikes, I also understand the need for innovation. It’ll be interesting to see how manufacturers balance tech with reliability moving forward! Thank you for commenting! MB
Almost universally 2009-2013 and prior. ABS is great, Traction control I don't want, linked brakes I do not want.
Thank you for talking about this harley is really screwing it's customers
Many riders feel strongly about how changes impact their experience. It’s important to voice those concerns, and hopefully, the company takes note to improve. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Hey guys ! DK CUSTOM PRODUCTS FOR LIFE !! Has nothing to do with the video but with order purchases do you think we could start getting some badass DK Stickers instead of chapstick 😂 would be nice 👍 . Keep up the good work fellas !
Certainly! I can look into that for you. Thank you for your business and for commenting! 👍 MB
I have a 2014 Street Glide special. Will I have the same electronic problem as the new ones???
There is less Technology/Electronics on your 2014 Street Glide. Thank you for commenting! MB
Kevin👍this is a great video! In my view Harley keeps shooting themselves in the foot more and more. There is no room here for me to add my problems but now a days after loving the Brand I am more & more less interested in Harley any more, another words it just is not any fun any more. Thanks men for this info…
Glad you like the video. Yes, bikes are getting more complicated, but honestly everything is. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I have a 24 Road Glide and the infotainment Center is horrible the 24s definitely aren't worth the price they are charging for them and don't try to trade it in you will take a serious hit
I’m sorry to hear you’re having issues with your 24 Road Glide's infotainment center! It can be frustrating when the features don’t meet expectations, especially at that price point. Hopefully, there will be updates or improvements that enhance your experience. Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
motorcycles have had software updates for over 10 yrs
You’re absolutely right! Software updates have been around for a while. It’s crazy how much technology has advanced in motorcycles. Thanks you for commenting! 👍 MB
This is just a case of old men not understanding technology. How old is the oldest CAN bus vehicle? CAN (Car Area Network) is the vehicle equivalent of today’s computer networks, with the key word being computer. Computers have been used in and to run vehicles for decades now. We can at least expect the computers in these bikes to last that long if we are using history as the measure. They are built to a certain reliability standard that is far above the computer on your desk. A lot of that is in their simplicity, but they are also environmentally hardened and have strict parameters around how software is written for them. Also they are not specifically made with the idea that additional features will be added to them. Meaning that there is not the same risk of the system becoming slower because Harley decided to add a third O2 sensor to the system thus causing feature bloat in the software. I say this all this from the perspective of someone who has had a long career in the technology space and see things from the other side of the table.
The evolution of technology in vehicles, including motorcycles, is fascinating, and it’s true that modern systems are designed for reliability. It’s interesting to see how perceptions differ, especially among riders who value simplicity versus those embracing the tech advancements. Thanks for sharing your insights! 😎 MB
The components only last so long. The warranty only lasts so long. The dealers only work on older models so long. The dealerships only stay in business so long. Ownership can only last as long as you can do it yourself.
You make some valid points about the challenges of ownership over time. Maintaining older bikes can be a real commitment, and it’s important for owners to be prepared for that. DIY skills definitely come in handy in the long run! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
Imagine how much HD is going to charge for a new unit once the unit goes out
This is exactly why I will not purchase a new bike
Not everyone is liking all the new technology! Thank you for commenting! MB
First year Harley blues sure sucks when it's YOUR bike.
I have a new vehicle that does everything but b**w you. My mechanic told me that car needs to be driven twice a week to keep the battery fully charged and all the " computers" talk to each other......The new Harleys are the same way now!
I get what you mean about the newer bikes and cars needing more attention. Thank you for commenting! MB
You can make that argument with current high end collector cars.
It’s interesting to see how both industries are evolving while still maintaining their classic roots. Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
HD working out their electrical problems one customer at a time? Then down time while you’re waiting to get the problem fixed. Not good. Best of luck with your bike.
Thanks for the well wishes! I agree, waiting for repairs can be frustrating, especially with electrical issues. Hopefully, they’ll improve their support and solutions to minimize downtime for everyone. Thank you for commenting! MB
It’s more than just a screen, it the 2nd brain of the bike outside of the BCM and the other major components.
Absolutely, you’re right! The electronics in modern bikes play a crucial role in overall performance and safety, acting like a second brain. It’s fascinating how integrated technology has become in enhancing the riding experience. Thanks for pointing that out! 😎 MB
Could a solution be for the aftermarket to come up with "conversion kits" to convert these gizmo/module/tech loaded bikes back to hard wiring and fuses and analog?
That's a creative solution! Aftermarket conversion kits could really fill a niche for riders who prefer the simplicity of analog systems. It would be interesting to see if companies would explore that option, as it could appeal to many who want to customize their bikes for a more traditional experience. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍 MB
I had a brand new 2011 Dyna wide glide and had dealer install new exhaust and air cleaner and high perf aka non EPA tune to computer( back when HD dealers could do this).
Well the dealership somehow fragged the computer and replaced it under warranty. These problems are not new.
It sounds like you had quite the experience with your 2011 Dyna! It’s frustrating when issues arise, especially after modifications. It’s true that these types of problems have been around for a while, and it's important for dealers to get it right, especially with performance upgrades. Thanks for sharing your story! Thank you for commenting! 👍MB
Think about this
Harley new thing
Is to make parts obsolete
Even my 2018 cvo the coolant line is now obsolete
So what do you do now ???
It's definitely frustrating when parts become obsolete, especially for newer models. It's important to be aware of these potential issues and plan accordingly. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Thinking about getting extended warranty didn’t get when I bought my bike . My local dealer offered it for me on my last visit . Do you have a contact info where y’all get the warranty from any info would be appreciated.
This is the information for where Kevin gets his extended warranty from that covers aftermarket parts as well - www.motorcycleagent.com/
Jim@MotorcycleAgent.com
Phone: (800) 920-0890
Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Good discussion.
Glad you like the video! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Last bike I did seem like it had 2 miles of wires.
It probably did! 😎👍 MB
Vehicles are loaded with computer technology and are far more reliable than vehicles in the past
You're absolutely right, modern tech has made vehicles more reliable overall. It's a balance, though, between innovation and keeping that classic, hands-on feel that many riders love about Harleys.
Thank you for commenting! MB
There is no doubt the technology is new to Harley, but infotainment screens are not new. There will be teething pains, but I believe they will get it worked out. With that being said, I would not buy ANY thing that has that much new tech the first year.
You make a valid point! New tech often comes with a learning curve, and it’s smart to wait until it’s more established. Hopefully, as they refine the system, it’ll enhance the riding experience in the long run. Your caution is definitely understandable! Thank you for commenting! MB
That's not a bug, it's a feature.
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Buy new HD's with eyes wide open. You are basically buying a car with 2 wheels. Set your expectations accordingly...
That’s a realistic perspective! It’s important for buyers to understand the changes in technology and design. Setting expectations can really help in enjoying the ride, no matter the model. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Thank you for commenting! 😎👍 MB
I've got a 2007 Dyna streetbob and a 2016 lowriders,which the electronics haven't caused me any problems,but I have no interest in the late model Harley's due the high tech in these bikes,I think the electronic throttle in my lowrider is bad enough,they maybe faster and more responsive but the reliability won't be there anymore
That’s a fair perspective! Many riders prefer the simplicity and reliability of older models. While the tech can enhance performance, it can also raise concerns about long-term reliability. It’s all about what fits your riding style best! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I must say I do not like all this electronic computerized stuff at all, I'm on a fixed income and I'm struggling just to keep insurance on the bike and keeping up maintenance I can do, oil changes and tire replacements are literally costing more than the income I have, my 2012 Street glide 103 I pray God's grace over it as often as I can and I put it in his hands I love my bike and I had dreams of one day buying a brand new one but that will never happen, because I do not trust any of this electronic overload stuff period!!!
I completely understand your concerns. It’s tough when the costs of maintenance and insurance start to add up, especially on a fixed income. Your love for your 2012 Street Glide really shines through, and it’s important to stick with what you trust. Many riders share your feelings about the simplicity of older bikes. Wishing you all the best with your ride! Thank you for commenting! 👍MB
Well a lot of automotive stuff we can’t get ecms bcms etc. Some of the oem software will let you program used parts ford will. Chrysler and GM won’t with dealer tools. But there is software that will let you do that. There is also software that lets you clone bcms, ecms, etc by reading the EPROMs and flash.
Someone figures that out on bikes that would be awesome.
As the tech evolves, it’ll be interesting to see what solutions emerge for the biking community. Having more options for repairs and upgrades could really help extend the lifespan of these bikes! Thank you for commenting! MB
This is what happens when you hire same old school guys who know nothing about high tech. Paying over 30,000 dollars for a bike and it stalls😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. But people continue to buy BAD products 😂😂😂😂
No clue which point dexter suggested no physical gages on the new bikes. Made Harleys into the same throw away bikes as the jap bikes.
You make a valid point about the balance between tradition and modern technology. It can be frustrating when high-tech features don’t perform as expected, especially at that price point. Hopefully, manufacturers will continue to improve and address these issues as they innovate! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
They need to have a sensor on The dash That says my five hundred pound pumpkinhead old lady Is collapsing my rear suspension
A sensor like that could be helpful with suspension management, especially for those who want to keep things balanced. It sounds like you have some entertaining experiences with your ride! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
What you mentioned about the software being developed, that is happened with my PanAmerica, after all the numerous updates, I have had ZERO issues with the bike. Harley is a motorcycle company, not a software company, you have to be patient with them.
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The good all “turn it off and turn it back on again” LOL, it is not crazy, it works because if the software runs into a bug, the system will go back to a normal state when it powers back on
It’s great to hear you’ve had a positive experience with your Pan America after the updates! Patience with evolving tech can definitely pay off. And you're right, sometimes a simple reset can solve a lot of issues! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for commenting! 👍 MB
Give Harley time to screw things up there CEO leads the way!
I understand your concerns! Leadership changes can impact a company's direction. It will be interesting to see where they go from here. Thank you for commenting! MB
Its cheaper to build these, same in cars. that flashy big digital screen is mass produced and can be modified easily for each bike. the analog gauges are way more expensive to build and to fit in individual bikes.. I look at screens all day, I will take a pass on the bike and keep analog as long as possible
That’s a valid perspective! Many riders appreciate the classic feel of analog gauges. There's definitely a charm and simplicity to them that can be more enjoyable, especially when you want to disconnect from screens. It’s great that you know what you prefer! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
I meant Duane, the young dude who always wears a hat.
Dwayne no longer works with us. He moved on to other passions. Thank you for commenting! MB
ya think, only time any update be needed is when do a mod when changing air fuel mixture. i hate all the new vehicles with computers and sensors. the computerize vehicles for those who don't know how to do proper maintenace. i don't believe i will buy a newer bike, have 2-2011's and 2012. i am hoping to get 2 cars i have going, zero computers, 3rd owner of a 63 dodge polara 2dr hardtop matching number original owner manual and 4th owner grandparents 2nd, 1974 mercedes 230 same with import papers. hopefully have them going within the next yr.
Sounds like you have a great collection! I totally get the appeal of older vehicles without all the tech, there's something special about the simplicity and hands-on maintenance. Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts i should also say i like the tank lift's got from you for the 2011 CVO RG and 2012 Triglide.
Awesome! Glad to hear you are enjoying having the Tank Lift Kits installed. Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB
I have a 08 FLHTC. It has to much electronic’s for me
Electronics aren’t for everyone, but they will probably on get more and more so in the future. Thanks for commenting! MB
If I wanted to ride a computer, I would buy a KTM or an Indian!
You've got a point! Sometimes, less is more. 😂👍 MB
What is the contact information for Jim Palmer?
I’m interested in ext warranty after ext warranty from HD expires.
Have a 22 TriGlide.
TYIA.
This is the information for Jim Palmer
www.motorcycleagent.com/
Jim@MotorcycleAgent.com
Phone: (800) 920-0890
Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Just google Jim Palmer discount ESP
Extend warranty
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first year for O2 sensors is bad enough,my 07 roadking is troublesome always a idling problem.
It can be a real headache dealing with those first-year issues. Hopefully, you can get it sorted out soon! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
But vehicles isn’t in the elements like bikes with the cluster
That’s a good point! Motorcycles are definitely exposed to the elements more than cars, which can impact the longevity and performance of electronic components. It’s important for manufacturers to consider those challenges in their designs! Thank you for commenting! 👍😎 MB
I would never buy a new one. There is too much technology for my taste. Three of my Harleys, 1949, 1957, and 1968, are old technology and fixable by me. The 2012, I picked up a while back, I hope I can obtain electronic parts as I need them. If not, I'll have to cannibalize something if there is no aftermarket support.
I totally get your preference for the classics! There’s something special about working on older bikes that have simpler technology. It’s great that you’re able to maintain those vintage Harleys. Hopefully, you'll find the parts you need for the 2012 model, but it’s always good to have a backup plan like cannibalizing for parts. Keeping the spirit of those older bikes alive is what it’s all about! Thank you for commenting! MB
Harley has screwed the bikes up with all the electronics and they are not needed and I have a 2022 tri glide and look how hard it is to even get to the battery .The problem is they can’t fix the components all they do is replace the parts .And what happens in ten years when these parts are obsolete and nobody makes them or fixes them .
You bring up some valid concerns. The increasing complexity of electronics can definitely make maintenance tricky, and it’s frustrating when parts become hard to access or obsolete. Many riders share your feelings about wanting more straightforward solutions. It’ll be interesting to see how manufacturers address these challenges in the future! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
I'll never buy one. I'll stay old school
That’s a great choice if you prefer the classic style and simplicity! Old school bikes definitely have their own charm and reliability. Enjoy the ride! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
The govt has the ability to shut you down with all this shit
That’s a valid concern! With increasing technology in vehicles, many riders worry about privacy and control. It’s important to stay informed and advocate for transparency in how these systems work. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I’m waiting for the new rainbow flag harley
It may be awhile.
KP
Wow….
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Imagine your speedometer goes out and now everything is dead........imagine the replacement costs😂 ill keep my 07 street glide.
Oh and now you cant change to aftermarket radio😂
That’s a real concern! The integration of electronics can definitely complicate repairs and upgrades. Sticking with your 07 Street Glide makes a lot of sense if you value simplicity and reliability. Plus, classic bikes have their own charm! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
No thanks. I will never own a fully electronic bike.
I hear you! Technology is moving fast, and is not everyone's cup of tea. Thank you for commenting! 👍MB
@@DKCustomProducts definitely not. The technology is only good in the computer. Not a bike or car for that matter, but they have to keep up with this younger generation that like gadgets.
It would be nice to have a selection between more technology or less. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. MB
Buy old used bikes
That is certainly an option! Thank you for commenting! MB
Where is Kevin?
What do you mean? MB
Are you riding a bike or driving a car? Screens, bags, fairings and god knows what else? Just buy a sports car and leave the bike riding to those that get it!
I understand where you're coming from! There’s definitely a different vibe between riding bikes and driving cars. Some people appreciate the added tech and comfort on their rides, while others prefer the classic experience. Ultimately, it’s all about personal preference and what each rider values in their experience. Thank you for commenting! MB
I have a reading for this reason. Bike are to complicated. It's a car with two wheels. Not what riding is about. Harley is out of touch with motorcycle riding
Interesting perspective! I can see how some might feel that way about the evolution of bikes. Riding can definitely mean different things to different people. Thank you for commenting! MB
I will try, to not be too, belligerent here. But if I am belligerent I don't apologize. Harley-Davidson corporation killed the soul of the motorcycle. If you want to ride a laptop, then buy a laptop and ride it. If you want to ride a motorcycle then make and ride a motorcycle. Does anyone know what a real motorcycle is anymore.
I appreciate your passion for motorcycles! It’s clear that many feel strongly about the essence of riding and what it means. There’s definitely a difference between the simplicity of traditional bikes and the tech-heavy models today. It’s important for everyone to find what resonates with them in the riding experience. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! MB
Kawasaki makes outstanding bikes.
Yeah, it sounds like the old days when that screen goes blank. LOL .