Harsh Reality Of Working In Cybersecurity That No One Tells You
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Yes to the imposter syndrome! I actually switched over to cybersecurity from desktop support/administration 4 and a half months ago. When I was transitioning, the imposter's syndrome kicked in A LOT. The best way I found to deal with that is to study your material and make little speeches about what you've learned. This helps you speak about your knowledge with confidence.
Yes, teach it to a five year old. The Feynman technique. Works wonders
Absolutely. I've been teaching security in a university for many years, which led me to look into the psychology of learning. Both the psychology and the neuroscience of learning have revealed that you do _not_ learn by trying to cram information _into_ your brain; it's actually _recalling_ information that causes strengthening of the synaptic connections that make long-term memory.
This is one reason why lots of quizzes and tests help you learn at the rote memorization level (OK for entry-level certs), but for deeper learning, _elaboration_ - explaining what you've learned to others works even better. Doing student presentations, group work, and study groups really help.
@@LesBell Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Best of luck in the new position, I've worked in some great Cyber positions and got promoted while still feeling imposter syndrome, try to just learn and keep researching the things you may not know or be familiar with, dont need to be a pro in all areas offcourse :)
@@onthewall425 I totally agree!!! Once i got the position and started learning the required processes, the feeling of imposter syndrome went away. I only felt the imposter syndrome when i first started. Now that im in the position, i'm like "i got this" and im ready to move up into a new position whenever it becomes a possibility. I'll likely get the imposter syndrome again once i move up though lol.
Also, I am passionate about life. About being a dad and musician. An outdoorsman. I don’t intend on making any of those my day job. I excel at solving problems, communicating, analyzing, learning new tasks, and I have good work ethic. 0 IT experience. I was researching a new career path, Cyber Security gives me mobility, flexibility, opportunities for growth, and job security. I have since fallen in love with all things IT. Is it my passion? No. Living my life to its fullest is my passion. I am so excited to get started with my future career. 🍻
This comment was everything!
You sound similar to myself, as a father and life-long musician.
Overall, I wish us all the best!
Iam a avid outdoors man and musician myself iam Here for this comment 🙌 🎉
Yes to the passion part. I'm not passionate about work. It's just a necessity. I like learning as well, that's why I chose tech.
I've been in the field for almost a decade, achieved a major career jump a couple months ago and landed a CISO role at a major university and I still struggle with imposter syndrome terribly. It's tough but fight through it and keep improving
It never goes away lol I would love to do a collab with a CISO! If you're interested, email me at nicole@nicoleenesse.com
Congratulations! Don't take this the wrong way but reading this actually helps with me switching career paths. I'm really excited to get back in technology but then this creeps up 🙈
@@nicoleenesse So sorry, I missed I ever had a reply from you! If you still would like to chat, please let me know
I look at cyber security like the military. Someone in the military could be Army, Navy, Air Force. If Army, they could be infantry, engineer, supply clerk, mechanic, helicopter pilot, dentist and so on.
Cyber Security had so many roles, and each one completely different. Some you don't even need to be technical. So you really need to specialize in a specific field within cybersecurity.
Thanks for this. I’m looking into starting a career in cyber security and your personality makes me realize I’m not alone! I’m not passionate about working, I do enjoy learning. I’m not competitive and don’t enjoy traditional corporate culture
Nice video. Been in cybersecurity for over 20 years and you are right on point. I still get imposter syndrome, especially when I start a new job. Interviews are also tough because everyone has a different idea of what cybersecurity means to them, similar to your job requirements con. I had an initial interview today and one of the first questions I was asked is what I think is fair compensation. My answer was "that depends on the responsibilities of the job."
Very true. Depending on your state you can ask what the range is for the compensation and they have to tell you.
The reason I subscribe to this channel is Nicole's honesty & straightforward description of her experience. Reality in the cybersecurity field is what I look for & she lays it out good & bad!
I'm currently studying Network + and security + and was feeling overwhelmed. Your videos have helped me to persevere!
Yay!! I am glad. Being Overwhelmed is normal. Persevere!
Regarding the Imposter Syndrome, it affected me several times in my career. For example, I was intimidated from taking the CISSP exam because I told you had to be super techie until I actually passed it on my very first attempt. I had friends who never passed it and I advised them to take Security+ instead. Also, I saw job postings for technologies that were extremely new, yet no one wants to pay for the training. Good luck with that. In addition, I keep getting told that I'm a dinosaur because I am focused on cybersecurity policy, yet I am that one who normally gets chosen to explain issues to upper management because I can translate tech talk to English.
congrats on passing the CISSP on the first try. That is no easy feat.
not to mention the amount of emphasis places put on the CISSP, It was sort of a joke when I took it (not bragging) but I do not think memorizing information about it is all that special. Take fundamentals courses, sans has good ones that dont come with a (i did this) paper that are phenomenal, local clubs, online learning etc.. I see this as so much more useful than some paper that says you memorized something and passed it. Ive been focusing on compliance, specifically ISO/SOC 2 for a few years and this branch of security is a main stay. If you know this you can really help line up an organization for success and get that functional security moving. Not to mention freelance in this sector is sparse and $$$$.
@@Derek9598 Great tips. Thanks!
@@Derek9598 is the security cert a good beginner cert to get into cyber security? I want to be an ethical hacker, probably get the oscp after
@@j.vosier6786 Security+ is a good baseline cert to get your hands on, it outlines the fundamentals of Cybersecurity. I will say that being an ethical hacker is a very small niche within security, if that is all you want focus on I would look for a very hard 2nd place. I am not saying not to go for your dream, however take a hard look at a path of growth within your current market. Most businesses wont employ "ethical hackers" or red team personnel. Larger corporations might but for the most part they are looking for blue/purple team sorts of positions such as Soc analysts, IT security analysts, Engineers, network engineers, cloud engineers, the like and depend on these individuals to learn these types of techniques. My current position is a cloud security engineer/architect, however I am in a mid level company so I do management, compliance, network security, app security, cloud security, red team, etc the list goes on. My main point is that before going into ethical hacking, know what your path is and what you're getting into as some people end up in a SOC setting due to low experience or schooling and it burns them out within a year.
Thanks for sharing and being so honest about all of your experiences !
Thanks for watching
I needed this video. I’m looking to start a new career path and really wanted to get a good feel for cyber security. Thank you!
Thank you for the awesome video!
Graduated with my degree focused in cyber security back in April. Despite me being comfortable sitting down to do an interview and explain some consepts, iv found it's extremely difficult getting a interview with 0 experience. I'm not going for top of the line jobs, all entry level and even entry level positions are always 5+ years experience. So I feel the struggle with chatting with some of the higher managers at times, experience seems to be all most places look for in my experience. But looks like I'll have to take a generic IT job and hopefully can transition into a security role in a year or 2, more time to work on certs!
You will get there. sometimes any type of experience will give you more context so you can provide better answers
Doing great work. As someone relatively new in the field I find your videos and true real-life feedback invaluable. Thank you!
I appreciate the kind words
We actually have alot in common and you said something that REALLY resonates with me. you said you have to be really passionate and you dont really feel passionate about anything you just see a skill and execute.
Noone has described me better in my 27 years of life lol. i went to the military and had no passion and then was an x ray tech same issue.
Its so hard to find enthusiasm for stuff im really trying hard to find some direction though and IT seems all over the place with like no clear way to start
Ohh yeah, I think it is how the military trains you. It's mission oriented thinking. Is it helping other people and part of the mission? That is all that really matters. Not really if you like it
I subscribe to tons of blogs, podcasts, websites and UA-cam channels and WOW there is SO MUCH NEWS of just how many intruders are working at so many WAYS of getting into computers everywhere and how so many companies, banks, schools and hospitals are SO VULNERABLE in so many ways in software and hardware.
Thanks for the honest take. Im almost done with my associate degree.
Brand new to the field. I’ve waited tables, been a cop, touring guitar player. I am a human. On the same path we are all on. Anytime you feel like an imposter or compare yourself to the other guy. Remember they are faking it to get through just like everybody else. And while they may have a little bit more technical knowledge about something, remember, you have just as much right to be there as they do.
Hi Nicole! I am an International Security student and I will be starting my cybersecurity journey all thanks to your resources. Thank you so much for your videos!
Awww, thank you!! I am glad you are staring your Cybersecurity Journey
Congrats ! Where did you get training at / online course ?
This video was fantastic! Keep up the great work and the good vibes :)
Thank you! Will do!
I am a rising junior in college who originally intended to pursue dentistry, but was not willing to commit 6+ years to finally land the career while incurring a lot of debt and expenses, so someone recommended cybersecurity as a pretty good field. From what I got here, it appears to be pretty great. The only thing I would say for me is that it can be quite ambiguous to enter the field as many paths vary so much, from bootcamps, college degrees and certifications.
Yeah, there are a ton of different ways. I would choose one that vibes with you the most.
Just like being a teacher, nurse, physician, architect, building contractor, accountant, attorney, dentist...
Thanks for the continued content and information about cyber security and other tech fields
More to come!
I have 10 years of experience, 3 of that in helpdesk and 7 in cybersecurity (starting as a tier 1 SOC analyst and moving all the way up to a senior incident handler) and I can confirm that yes - imposter syndrome is 100% real AND comes and goes. I wish I could give advice on how to get over it but there really is no 100% way to get over it that I've found besides mentoring someone. Find something cool? Share it! Have someone new? You used to be them - so mentor them! You will realize that you know more than you thought. Like I said, though: it comes and goes.
Nice job Nicole! Thanks for sharing!
You are so welcome!
Thanks for putting this up, this helps.
Hey Nicole.
Big thanks for inspiration.
I guess most of these things I have experienced with being in Dev field, including Imposter Syndrome.
And to be honest, sometimes I was almost ready to quit.
Thanks again for opening my eyes.
Thanks for sharing your experience
Thank you so much this!
Thanks Nicole, such an accurate vid and I learnt alot about the details of imposter syndrome. New subscriber for sure :)
Glad you thought it was useful
Kudos for this video! 👾
Thank you very much for these insights!
thanks for sharing some insight with your experience!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Nicole! Thank you for this info.
Thank you crush. Your videos always come at the right time
Thanks Richard. Also, thanks for always commenting :)
I'm not super passionate about much either, but I do enjoy learning new things and when I don't know something I get pumped up and almost competitive with myself? Like the excitement of the challenge. I'm no genius at all. I'd say I'm probably just barely hitting average at best lol but when i start something new I like to tell myself "I'm gona kick this (insert task)s' ass." 😆 it works for me though. But anyways, enjoying your videos and appreciate the advice!
Thanks tori for the detailed comment. Glad it could be of help
Every word you spoke is Absolutely Right and Accurate.
I'm trying to get into Cybersecurity and I was feeling a bit overwhelmed with all these requirements and that I just don't know enough. This has helped to put my mind at ease and reassured me that it's okay not to know something, as long as I have the core concepts down then I can apply it and learn whatever it is that I didn't know. As well as that if I get DQ'd on a job because of some random requirement then the job wasn't meant for me and my time will be better spent looking for another job that is.
Although an active seeker into the field, I did find some of the points helpful, I strongly fill you do need a passion for the subject and should have a technical background in tech team / networks before thinking of venturing in to this field, knowing kali Linux and python programming is also advantageous cybersecurity is a huge field and to protect against it you need too think outside of the box to successfully protect against hacks thus having the technical skills is important.
Good notes Nicole.
Yeah I’m tire of people showing off their degree or certificate thinking they’re better than others.
I really picked up on your comment (around 2:43) about recruiters setting stupid job requirements. Product-specific knowledge is not _nearly_ as important as a good understanding of the underlying technology and the ability to pick up _any_ product quickly. I suspect that a lot of the much-touted 'skills shortage' would disappear if we could just get recruiters to understand that security is a process - not a product.
BTW, re imposter syndrome and information overload, I highly recommend the book, "The Organized Mind" by Daniel J. Levitin - it's so good I have both dead tree and Kindle versions, and recommend it to my own students as cybersecurity is _such_ a broad field that you need to learn and reinvent yourself continually.
Thanks Les for your comment, you said it way better than me! I’m going to go ahead an order the book. Thanks!
Yes to the impost.....
..someone has already said it. Extremely lines up with my experience at a scant 3 years.
I was in the military for a few years not it related mos got out from not caring about it at all to wanting to get into tech and I’m not scared to go this stuff changes constantly and I am one person and I will utilize ever tool available to me to get answers I need cough cough thank god for google cough cough
bahahhaha. google is your friend.
Currently dealing with imposter syndrome. Im interviewing with a dod agency and failed the entry test I (CNAB) I've got 6 months to retake. I just hope my last 4 years in school studying this feild pay off🤞
Video is on point
I’m 30. My state is doing a program to pay for my associates for free. All the stars are point towards cybersecurity. Just subscribed. This video helped a lot. Thank you for this!!
Glad to hear it!
Key for impostor's syndrome: Just focus on building your character and what you've accomplished before. Growth mindset.
im studying Cyber Security, moved from 20 years of Finance.Thanks for your help. I love your videos.
Glad you like them!
As a noob the way I've dealt with imposter syndrome is by outing myself 😂
I level with my colleagues about where I'm at, and then I'm not afraid to ask for help. I have found people really respect that, I think they sympathize because they've all been there, and everyone is just generally more helpful.
I don't need to pretend like I know everything and it sets me at ease as I keep learning.
I have had people side-eye me and one actually guffaw when I told them I didn't know about something. They don't believe that I don't know it because I know so much. I have never lost this mentality, never stress about not knowing something, only stress if you don't have the ability to learn it. A foundational knowledge of networking and systems will prepare you for whatever networking and systems can throw at you.
wholesome video, I liked it, gj!
TY
I think 🤔 the concept of following your passion means to try to identify what type of work really matters to you as an individual, your personality type, your ideology, what feels pressing or pertinent, what you want your life to mean.
This is necessary because extrapolated over a long period of time a slight shift in trajectory when starting out can result in arriving at a destination 1,000,000 miles away from where you’d like to be.
We have to try to find some blend in work that either can itself directly provide that fulfillment, or if not, the wherewithal for us to be able to pursue these things extracurricularly or as part of a strategy, a tolerable means to an end.
It’s very difficult though.
“Work” in its current implementation has become so disconnected from what we truly value at the core, nothing more than regimented standardized processes serving the will of a company whose function and existence is deeply interwoven into an iniquitous monetary/incentive/distribution system.
There’s so much meaningful work, human centric work that needs to be done, but accessing it has barriers some financial, others uncertainty, and precariousness.
And of course I understand that meaning is subjective 😌
There is a good book available free online “Ikigai” a Japanese philosophy that aims to help one find their reason for being.
I’m about to start it soon.
This is a wonderful reply. Thanks Thomas
@@nicoleenesse your very welcome.
Just like how we look back on feudalism and how they organized their society with people living in a caste system, where there was absolutely no upward mobility.
Those that come after us will look at this time period in somewhat the same manner. There is much friction.
You identified that well contrasting passion with decisions.
Thank you for all of your education and for your time 🙏
Hi I’m 32, spent most of my adult life in police and corrections. Looking to go back to school to study cyber security. Would you recommend I look for an entry level It job first?
ik a guy with 20+ years of experience, one of the first to begin working as a software developer in my country, ran a big business where he made a lot of very high quality software for companies. Is multilingual (human languages) and can build basically any type of app you want him to, also very good at securing software, can do literally anything. Right now he works for a big corporation where he is doing a lot to keep their systems secure and safe, even though he's technically not supposed to be building software for them and rather just testing them, he also builds whole new functionality for them.
Just before he got that job he got rejected by a bunch of startups because he couldn't solve the problems they asked him to solve or because he didn't know some random technology they wanted to use (that he could probably learn in a day), meanwhile he is objectively amazing at his field but couldn't get hired over his inability to solve trivial interview questions as he wasn't used to such questions (he ran a software development business in a foreign country, not very used to the hiring system in the US, also never got full and real college education on these stuff and had to learn everything alone, over 20 years ago in a poor country and still did). Makes no sense how he couldn't get a job over trivial questions for random companies that said he was not qualified but got a huge job at a gigantic corporation, I'm glad he did, but those tiny random companies run by bad management and the hiring managers often not even knowing how to use computers well even though they're working for a tech company is a bit annoying and a definetly big issue.
I needed this. After 20 years in this field, I have been feeling like an imposter because of Cloud and AI.
I have two questions on the subject: 1- In 10 years, can AIs replace or take over many vacancies in cybersecurity? 2- Do you think doing comptia+, NDE, DFE, cloud+ would already be enough certifications to enter the market as a junior? what salary to expect?
Sounds like the author of this clip doesn't mind shadow IT, risk exceptions and acceptance, legacy solutions, critical vulnerabilities not patched for years, end-of-life software running on production, developers implementing software with owasp top 10 vulnerabilities, developers using vulnerable software libraries, marketing spam from vendors, poorly designed user interfaces for security solutions, bugs in security applances, writing reports for low-priority incidents, too many false-positives, lazy coworkers, nonsense findings submitted in bug bounty programs, vpn, devs making changes without documenting them, assets missing in CMDB, not updated CMDB, assets without owners, people refusing to use 2fa etc.
do i need to learn web development first before learning cyber security?
Hi, I would like to say thank you for the WGU video. After intense research, I finally decided to contact WGU. I am certain I will be starting class in the fall. I couldn’t make my decision without your help.
Please know that I had to look you up on LinkedIn to see if you posted your degree from WGU and I was happy that you did. Thank you for these videos.
Yeap. glad you found it helpful.
Ok Nicole one fear I have is waking up at 2AM with the FEAR that I AM soley responsible for a intruder or hacker break in because I missed something. This is the words of somebody not even in the field. Is this something workers think about and keep them up at night?
I'm almost done with my associates in IT and want to now get a bachelor's in cyber security I just go back and forth of I should get the bachelors or not
so true, ive been in security for a little over 8 years, i moved up quick from analyst to engineer to architect.. i understand the field well enough and have expanded my knowledge to compliance as well.. What i can say is that until i watched this field I thought the imposter syndrome was just me... I do my work and excel at it but still feel like if I pull the idk card that ill be looked at like a waste space and it causes hesitation sometimes if I dont fully know a subject. One thing I think you should add that I find strange about IT sec compared to other IT fields.. there are different categories of people in this field... cert elitist's, you may have 1-2 certs, 10 years experience, 2 masters degrees, but if you're missing X cert you know nothing, this tends to bleed over to the hiring side on occasion as well. Ive worked in large and small teams and I will say that some of my best workers were those who asked questions, dont be afraid to ask questions as the more you learn the better.
Hi Nicole Does a Cyber Security operator in the Army have to mostly do the Graveyard shift especially the rookies
There will be a lot of graveyard shifts in any position in the Army
I'm considering change my career to cyber security so this is helpful thanks
Thanks Geordie
Any advice for if just started comptiaa + course
Thanks
No problem
What’s the best way to get in cybersecurity? A degree or Certificates which are companies looking for?
Wow wholesome content. I just joined as an intern, and you hit the nail on the head of every point you mentioned.
What is the website to take the comptia security + wanna be sure im on right site?
It's a great field for that, you will learn everyday
Does Imposter Syndrome also manifest as feeling like you don't know things? As somebody coming from another career aka teaching career without a formal IT degree, I might start having this syndrome from the start. We will see.
We must be twin spirits that are not passionate about work but are passionate about learning new concepts and technology and I know I really want to do this to challenge myself.
Yesss!!
YESS to your comment about job requirements! The amount of "entry level" jobs out there asking for 2-3 years of experience is crazy lol..
Someone should do an "Iceberg of technology" video.
YEAH, I Like learning about IT!😎😎
Yay!
I burnt out after 7 years in CS. Taking a break ATM but I don't know if I can go back to CS.
It can do that to you
I’m looking for online classes. Any Recommendations?
What do you want to learn?
I'm not boasting, but I have a Master's degree in Mgt of Information Systems and so I find it stupid to hear one person deem it 'unnecessary '; Esp when you need that background yourself. Particular problems are most likely sone minor program-level problem that you don't need to have solved to become a world-class security professional. You need the degrees, whether you say so or not. It's a level of intelligence you have to prove, by graduating with a bachelor's or Masters' level degree in Mgt if IT.
Thank you for this video. I will start my first job as a IT Tech soon and this will help me put things in perspective
Congrats on the job. Let me know how it goes
Hi, I've been watching your videos for a while now. First off that person was out of line hanging up on you. Also I'm struggling to get into the field. However in regards to your comment on job requirements. I've actually noticed that some of them are actually getting lowered and more "realistic" lately. I can only assume the government or some higher powers are telling people to hire more people due to the lack of bodies in the field itself and train them.
You aren't wrong about passion btw. It's very hard to feel that anymore. Also I don't think burnout ever goes away.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the detailed comment Walter I do see job descriptions getting better. yea, burnout is rough
True if tech as a whole not just CS …. Go girl 👌
I am going to school for cybersecurity in August
Can you do this work from home or away ?
Lots of remote work
People is your best investment
Is coding required or at least recommended to start a cybersecurity career?
no, but depends on field
yes the imposter syndrome is true, I am soloist, cant ask for help maybe they think I don't know anything in fear of that
I want To Learn Cybersecurity Does It best For My Career....
Or I should go for Web Development...
What is stressful in networking NOC or in cyber security?
I would say cyber security is more stressful, but it really depends on what company you are working for
@@nicoleenesse what is your job now?
@@nicoleenesseim choosing between NOC and Cyber security my next job, choosing whose more fun, not so very stressfull and nice salary
You will not want to miss our latest post! It's cool stuff about advanced cyber threats.
I am trying to get into cybersecurity
I live in the UK. Ive been doing 1st line and 2nd line now for the past 3 years.
I am currently studying network + atm.
My goal is to get:
Network +
Security +
Cysa +
In that order. Am I on the right path?
Thanks
Those are great entry level certs and will give you a great baseline
I jumped from an IT Manager role straight into an Information security Manager role 4 years ago, I had 5 years of experience running ISO27001 (as IT Manager) but zero IT certs! My advice :-
Keep doing 1st /2nd line stuff until a junior security job comes up in your company, if it doesn't move to an enterprise size business doing help desk work because in my experience these companies will be more than happy to allow you to jump over into security a short while later.
@@nicoleenesse thank you for replying :)
@@tombramwell_uk thank you for the advice!
Unfortunately I work for the NHS in UK and opportunities like that doesn't come up very often. Looking into getting in private sector or other companies as you said :)
@@stevenvillegas3718 no worries, I worked for a CCG some years ago, they do vary from trust to trust but I know your predicament. Your skills within the NHS will be easily transferable, I'd recommend getting a help desk 01st/2nd line job within a large enterprise, ensure they have a security team, ideally with at least 3 staff, before you apply (do some LinkedIn snooping) 👍🏻😁 best of luck!
I Stopped Studying and Looking for a Job because of the RIDICULOUS DEMANDS they Have on the Job Postings. And I bet those "hiring" "managers" are just NOT BRIGHT people that Are looking in others what they don't have.
Hey Nicole
I have an interview for masters admission in cyber security
I am freaking out
Give me some tips
If I answer well they won't give m scholarship
Plz help
It is hard to know as every school is different. Sorry I can't be of more help
With regard to imposter syndrome, just get in your mind that you are going to fake it until you make it. I have witnesses the majority of infosec professional use this approach.
Trying to get a job in it. Hope I land a job. It's been a year.
do you have a degree on it ?
you are so cool ❤
lol thanks?
I've been reading this A+ book in three days. It "sticks" good too. Just don't compare yourself with others. Quit most of useless social media, quit watching tv, quit alcohol, quit drugs, quit coffee, drink tea, drop friends (most friends are pure bs), oh and stop fapping every ten minutes. Start playing Chess (blitz/bullet mode)
Next up: Start flying bro!
Great Advice
@@nicoleenesse I guess?
Also,
Every one has an opinion that is actually “partially” correct. But if you follow the opinions of others you get pulled everywhere, and go no where. Trust yourself, and do your best.
I agree.
@@nicoleenesse It was the biggest pain when I worked in tech, as a developer. The hype train never actually ends. It just moves on to something else.
Maybe one day it can move to code documentation, basic security measures, and reasonable work scheduales?
THE DARIUS TRUTH
Most of the time when people who don't know anything about CS think of the job they're thinking of Red Teaming which is actually a VERY small part of the industry.
It is super small, but it has a really good culture. Blue team ...not so much
Ahh if you are not passionate about cybersecurity you should just go to IT, the stakes can be very high in that field and I do not think people who are not very passionate about should go in it. If someone is hacking in and can cause a massive amount damage you need to be warriorlike to figure out how you will stop it.
I've been having imposter syndrome since middle school so hopefully I can handle this
It never goes away lol
Cybersecurity vs Cloud Hmmm.