@@AzureGreatheart Why did you think this wasn't painfully unfunny? This is literally the opposite of humor. It's so bad it makes me want to say worse things than I have.
@@tylerlackey1175 a lot of gameplay mechanics. terastlizing is better than z-moves and dynamax. no random encounters at all. no forced random trainer battles. exploring new areas and finding new mons is really fun and refreshing, especially since you can go so far off the path, meanwhile every previous game was fairly linear. day/night cycle not being tied to the system clock. all moves a mon can use being memorized. nature mints and other previously rare items now being much more accessible much earlier in the game. auto battling. i could go on…
Gamefreak not only failed to improve on the technical flaws of SwSh, they somehow made them worse and piled on a bunch of other technical issues. I've already long given up on this franchise, but... wow.
I'm genuinely upset that they didn't improve at all since SwSh. This is just SwSh 2.0 and I'm mad because I skipped out on buying SwSh because it looked like shovelware for the GameCube, and this game that I was planning on checking out looks literally the same. Guess I'm skipping on another Pokemon gen.
@@Tea_Noire Dunno what the programming team's been doing, but whoever was in charge of the storytelling and music did great at least..! And by great I mean better than the previous few games, which tbf isn't all that hard
i think this really captures the "spirit" of Pokemon, even to way back in Gen1...the characters move like 4-bit sprites and the render distance is only about as big as a GameBoy screen...
Yep, very sad to see how bad the Pokemon company has become.. I was playing Emerald the other day and loving it, kinda funny how much better it is than everything they've churned out in the last half decade or so
When you read how they worked on Heart Gold and Soul Silver, how they kept wanting to add more and more, because they actually gave a damn. It makes newer Pokemon games feel sad.
@@mrbisshie That's also how I feel. The generation 5 games are also ambitious titles. Extended post game, lot of side content. Starting with gen 6 I really haven't felt any of the previous effort going into the games. Since then the Mystery Dungeon remake and Arceus have been the stand-out titles for me.
This is what happens when you have to make an open world Pokemon game in just 3 years, because your game releases have to follow the anime. It's simply not enough time. This is basically the alpha build of the game. It needs at least 2 years more development time to be a finished product.
@@DaShikuXI 3 years is plenty of time lmao. What are pokemon fans smoking. They need to hire some serious talent or partner with a more capable studio. They wont because these games still make crazy money even when theyre janky as hell
@@BurnsyRuns How many large open world games on the switch only took 3 years to develop? Xenoblade Chronicles 3 took ~5 years, and it already had a well-established and highly optimized engine to work with, which Game Freak clearly don't have. Whatever engine they're using barely even works, and it would likely take them years to fix it, even if they employed Monolithsoft or something because I'm sure the code, as is, is a shitshow.
I can deal with the graphical glitches, the 2 fps character animations, the low FPS... But WHY would you design a Pokemon SPECIFICALLY after a motorcycle--including the wheels--and then have it _run?_
Honestly, it’s both a really great game and an incredibly depressing one. So many aspects of it feel like a big step forward for the series, and gameplay-wise I’m genuinely having a lot of fun. Exploration is great, battles actually move fast instead of being a slog, the writing is surprisingly charming and the visual aesthetic is great, it feels good to just wander around and find items and catch wild Pokémon… …but the performance issues are so rough that you can literally *feel* the impossible-deadline crunch and the hardware limitations. If corporate had given this game even just half a year more, I bet a lot of the most major hiccups could have been ironed out. It fuckin sucks, man.
This is how I feel about it. Tera types aren't my favorite gimmick but I probably prefer that to Dynamax, but other than that the gameplay experience is a lot of fun...it's just hindered by the low frame rate and glitchy looking areas.
@@xSharpW Honestly what bugs me the most is that all the gameplay changes are blended together pretty well - it’s not like they threw a bunch of random crap into a pot and just left it at that with no rhyme or reason. There’s clearly been a lot of thought put into how the game works. And yet it’s so unpolished and undercooked in terms of technical stuff that it’s like a Bethesda launch all over again. Though ScVi is actually an RPG (unlike Skyrim or FO4), so at least it has that going for it. :y
Gamefreak just cant make games. Theyre really good at planning the designs, the music, the stats and rpg mechanics, but they utterly fail at programming and graphics optimization. There are so many companies that could do it for them, they need to partner with someone if they ever want to catch up with the rest of the industry
@@BurnsyRuns I feel like a better way to say it is more just that they can't program games, since as you said, they sure as hell can design a great game. Part of me wonders how much of it is because of how their development is structured, too. ScVi started production right after Sword and Shield were finished, which means that Arceus started development after that. Even though ScVi actively incorporates gameplay aspects that debuted in Arceus. Would GF have had it easier if they focused on Arceus first, and then used that as a base to build ScVi off of? Probably, but I doubt the corporate-mandated release schedule would allow for that.
@@BurnsyRuns Gamefreak can absolutely make games. They proved that many times in the past. There is simply no way they or any other studio can make an open world Pokemon game in the timeframe allowed by Nintendo, with the parameters set by Nintendo. It's just not possible. These games need time to develop. This is not a problem of Gamefreak's competence. The problem is that they get the same timeframe to make a Pokemon game every time the new anime series rolls out, but the demands of those games keep increasing. It just cannot work.
My favourite bug I have encountered so far is one where an expression gets stuck on my characters face. Nothing better than no matter what is going on my character is just standing there with this psychotic dead-eyed grin on his face. I do wish gamefreak, and many others, would start trying for once. Like they have shitloads of money, they could have made something proper but simply decided not to.
Do you really think Gamefreak is not trying? What studio could make a properly finished open world Pokemon game, the scale of BOTW, in the three years Gamefreak was allotted to make it? It's impossible. Even BOTW itself took 5 years to develop. There is no way Scarlet/violet could be of any decent quality. These games need more time to be developed, and that is not Gamefreak's fault. It's Nintendo setting incredibly unrealistic deadlines with unrealistic demands. Gamefreak didn't decide anything. They need to make their games based on the anime's schedule. This is a Nintendo problem.
@@DaShikuXI fallout new Vegas was developed in less time. Games can be made well with less development time I just think they are a shitty developer ngl. They have the resources to make a good game but somehow can't? I can cut some slack and say and extra year could definitely help them out but I have a hard time picturing a different outcome. Also smash ultimate had 2 1/2 years of dev time so idk lol.
@@trizzle655boy New Vegas reused tons of assets. It was built upon all the work that went into F3. That cannot be compared to S/V. You have absolutely zero understanding of how game development works.
@@DaShikuXI does the new pokemon game not reuse assets? genuine question. I thought they would at least do less work and try to salvage some stuff from Arceus. Lastly, I guess a better game to show as an example would be it takes two since that game took 2 1/2 - 3 years to create and is a really fun game if you have played it. I feel like it fits the description way better.
If it wasn't for the technical issues, this would probably be a fun game. I had fun with Arceus, but ended up quitting, because the game wouldn't shut up and let me play.
y'know, S/V is the first game i decided to not get since B/W and B/W2, the difference is, B/W turned out be awsome, i dont think i'll regret my choice this time
What an experience it was to watch ZFG play the game. There were some other funny moments not shown here, like the ahegao face on one of the characters, the clippable doors on the empty houses, and the "bean-flicking" minigame for one of the gyms(idk what else to call it hah).
Damn I was about to watch a rando but then this popped up in my recommendeds and I didn't even realize it was from ZFG. I love to watch different content from you man! But it's fine either way, your OoT content is great anyways
Man watching this makes me wish I'd caught the stream, because it looks like it was an absolute riot. Hopefully he plays it some more soon because new pokemon look like they're gonna be funny as hell. Edit: I will say though, although the game looks objectively bad it also seems like it'll be fun. Might end my 9-year Pokemon dry spell for this tbh
And just watch, this is going to get better reviews than X and Y did. Mark my words Edit: ok yeah, I kind of meant to say "just watch, this is going to get like 9/10 or 10/10 reviews from like everyone". I guess mark that too. Either way, I just hope I'm wrong.
I liked XY for King AZ and Floette's story, but having to navigate Lumiose City at all made me want to die and everyone was WAY TOO CASUAL about Lysandre openly declaring his homicidal plans for the world, in public, multiple times. I think Sycamore (the hottest Pokemon Professor) just wrote it off as him being "passionate". Guess you don't have to be smart to study elemental rodents. I also never felt compelled to use Mega Evolution because I was overleveled from abusing the Battle Mansion for my fashion fund (a "me" problem definitely) and the four annoying friend-rivals needed to buzz off. Looker had a really good substory though.
Honestly though, what don’t people complain about when a new game comes out?if it ever drops a single frame people raise hell. If a loading screen is too long people are shitty
You should watch the video, or anyone else who has played's videos, or even play one of the games yourself. It plays like dogshit on its own dedicated console, it crashes a LOT, memory leaks are rampant, the game has definitely not been tested before release, because the state these games are in are unacceptable. Not just from the highest grossing franchise in the world, from any triple A developer. People gave no man's sky flak, but these games really are the no man's sky of pokemon games. They're awful Signed, someone who was excited for this gen and thought they'd learned from SWSH. They had not.
Game Freak does not even want to make Pokemon games, they've said that. This alone should be MORE than enough reason to not let those hacks at Game Freak touch this IP again. Let them spew out whatever indie shovelware crap they want to, but they absolutely do not deserve the rights to this franchise. Just imagine what a studio with more than 20, actual, game devs could do with Pokemon..
They didn't spend the money on models, they didn't spend the money on graphics, they didn't spend the money on voice acting, they didn't spend money on quality code. What did they create that wasn't already in, idk..let's say Pkmn XD gale of darkness
You try making a BOTW sized open world Pokemon game in 3 years. It doesn't matter how much money you throw at it; it won't be a finished product. Nintendo needs to start giving Gamefreak more time to develop these games. BOTW took 5 years to develop. S/V should have gotten at least the same amount of time.
@@DaShikuXI @DaShiku wouldn't that mean that they bit more than what they could chew? If they clearly had an ETA, a deadline. Why create a game that is so expensive, why create so many new mons, why spend time creating new gimmicky abilities. They could've easily made the game be half the size, half the new mons and delivered a much better game. Just cause they where given a deadline doesn't make them invulnerable to critique, they should've knocked down their expectations and made a much smaller game. BoTW took 5 years? Alright that is great. They delivered a game with much better quality. Still has it's game breaking bugs, So should had they be given 10+ years like some of the AAA games? What's your point in comparing BOTW to V/S? To my point, Pokemon colosseum, how long was it in development? It came out on '03 and was using models from the prior 3D Pkmn games. The game look great for it's time. V/S look like a game that could've been on the Ds series. Idk man, to me, they just wasted a lot of potential.
Scarlet and Violet suck but so did Coloseum and XD, I’m tired of retroactively hearing that they’re amazing. I played them again last year, and they were so slow, boring and limited
What could the production issue be? Pokemon makes so much god damn money, but is the development budget itself low? Do they have zero QA? Awful management? I thought the bugs were gunna make me laugh, and some did, but this is just tragically unfinished.
I read an article yesterday (I think it was from Kotaku?) that the development structures of the games are weird. Like they have to make a new generation every 3 years or so to match the merch and card game and anime, so they essentially put prototypes of new game ideas (i.e. open world) without refining because they don't have time. And the developers apparently give new hires who aren't as experienced with programming and game development significant roles in making the game. Which is a nice gesture for junior employees but that just makes the perfect storm of bad code and a rushed game, imo.
An open world Sonic game, made by modern day Sonic Team, is a more polished and less buggy product than the latest installment of the most profitable media franchise on the planet. Gamefreak is a genuine embarrassment lmao.
How are you supposed to stop parents from buying their kids another pokemon game every year? That's what makes up most of the game sales, and kids couldn't care less about low framerate and glitches if it's pokemon. Been the same for the most part since the broken mess that was Gen 1.
This is unacceptable, how did this get released? It is literally a Beta, this is not a finished game. This would fit right in on a Shovelware Showcase with Vinesauce.
@@DaShikuXI I keep seeing you post this, but I've legitimately seen nothing that says Nintendo is forcing Game freak to make these games and giving them a 3 year deadline. Until you do provide information stating otherwise that's a load of shit
@@hayato1886 "Speaking with IGN, Pokemon producer Junichi Masuda vaguely discussed how Game Freak approaches future Pokemon games. Masuda also confirmed that new-generation Pokemon titles “have about a three-year development cycle”." That's from an interview. "Game Freak held a talk during the Computer Entertainment Developers Conference 2022 (CEDEC) yesterday, 25th August, and the company shared a lot of information about how it developed assets for every Pokémon game. Confirmation that Pokemon Legends Arceus began development in Fall of 2018, with Scarlet and Violet starting around the time Generation 8 was finishing up. Means both games had three years of development." That is based on another interview. "The Pokemon community became outraged after a blog post from Game Freak revealed that Pokemon Sword & Shield was made in just under two years. Fans were furious that the Gen 8 title had such a short development cycle." SwSh had an even shorter dev cycle. "I think it's worth mentioning that Masuda's involvement beginning in 2020 implies that Pokemon BDSP had about 1.5 years of production (Mar. 2020 ➡ Oct. 2021)" BDSP likely has even less There is also a consistent 3 year release window between the mainline games. X/Y: October 12 2013 Sun/Moon: November 18 2016 Sw/Sh: November 15 2019 S/V: November 18 2022 This is aligned with the release dates of the anime series, as the games and anime are obviously following the same cycle. X/Y anime: October 17 2013 Sun/Moon anime: November 17 2016 Sw/Sh anime: November 17 2019 S/V: TBD There is more than enough to show that Pokemon games have a 3 year development cycle. The anime and games are developed alongside each other meaning that Game Freak has to fit their development within those 3 years. It is an indisputable fact that a Pokemon development cycle is based on a 3 year window. It is not Game Freak who sets these deadlines. They are based on the whole Pokemon multi-media franchise needing to run alongside each other. The games need to align with the anime, TCG, merchandise etc.
@@DaShikuXI Bro please stop. You just posted interviews stating how The Pokemon Company enforces these deadlines on Gamefreak, and not once is Nintendo even mentioned. Nintendo only handles publication and distribution of Pokemon games. Nintendo isn't a fantastic company either, but don't put this pile of garbage on them.
This is what happens when you try to make a massive game in a two year dev cycle. We will not get a good 3D pokemon until GameFreak/The Pokémon Company stops trying to push merchandise and new pokemon for marketing purposes so frequently. Unfortunately, this probably won't happen until we stop buying the product anyways, which I don't have high hopes for. I feel sorry for the devs who don't get to make decisions and have to put out these sub par products in a beloved franchise because of corporate and marketing decisions
Shin Megami Tensei is a game i think you should try, its often described as Pokemon but with Demons or The Dark Souls of Turn Based RPGs. Its basically the game old people thought Pokemon was back in the day, Satanic and not for kids.
Every new Pokemon game is them testing to see how much they can get away with before the core audience actually starts to notice how shit the quality is.
No developer could do better here. You cannot make an open world Pokemon game, the size of BOTW, in just the 3 years Nintendo gave them. It's simply not possible. These kinds of games need at least 5 years to be something you could call a finished and polished game. No matter which studio you employ, it won't work.
They let Genius Sonority make Pokémon Colosseum, despite the dev team having never played Pokémon before, and it was so much better than Game Freak’s stuff that I wonder if they stopped doing that out of embarrassment
Pokemon is one of those franchises that I've long since stopped playing, but I still keep tabs on it just in case they start making good games again. Still waiting... :(
8:29 game freak doesn’t run pokemon, the pokemon company does. game freak just develops the mainline games, and the pokemon company creates the deadlines. these games aren’t optimized because they never get enough time.
Well it never will be, because you bought the game. With your actions you directly showed Nintendo that you want this game. You are the problem. You approved this game. As long as you buy the game you are saying that you are fine with its current state. It's that simple. Stop buying them if you want change. If you cannot have the discipline to say no to these games, then you should stop wishing for them to be better. Stop making excuses and stop buying the games.
Why did Nintendo think this was okay? it's as laggy as an Alpha build of a game with no lag reduction stuff added for beta yet. good lord keep it in the oven longer so it doesn't lag like crazy. tone it down if you have to. don't try so much.
The quality of the game is to be expected given how Nintendo is trying to pump out a Pokemon game every year. Scarlet and Violet feel like a nearly finished beta. The game needed another 6 months to a year in the proverbial oven.
nice to see that ZFG is trying out some other N64 games for a change
Spot on xd.
Hey, this looks way better than an N64 game.
It’s _clearly_ a Gamecube game.
BRUH
@@AzureGreatheart Why did you think this wasn't painfully unfunny? This is literally the opposite of humor. It's so bad it makes me want to say worse things than I have.
@@Arcessitor lol your comment is funny though
My favorite quote from chat: “Why are the shadows censored?”
zfg laughs are so rare it's a genuine joy to hear so many of them
Guess this game is that… interesting 🤣
The Pokemon franchise had to die to get one ZFG laugh.
I wish zfg played more bad games because him noticing things and laughing is entertaining af
Lets Game it Out would be perfect for that ^^
the game isn’t bad, it’s just badly optimized…
@@abraham3673 what aspects about this game are good, and which of those aspects are not worse than previous entries?
@@tylerlackey1175 the gameplay
@@tylerlackey1175 a lot of gameplay mechanics. terastlizing is better than z-moves and dynamax. no random encounters at all. no forced random trainer battles. exploring new areas and finding new mons is really fun and refreshing, especially since you can go so far off the path, meanwhile every previous game was fairly linear. day/night cycle not being tied to the system clock. all moves a mon can use being memorized. nature mints and other previously rare items now being much more accessible much earlier in the game. auto battling. i could go on…
Sonic '06 is no longer a game, It's a genre.
Amazing comment
This comment deserves to go to the internet hall of Fame. Goated comment
They wanted to pull zfg into pokemon so much, they made the game 20 fps just for him!
With more glitches than OOT.
First time playing and he already discovered backwards high jump on Koraidon, what a speedruner
he just remembered it xD
Gamefreak not only failed to improve on the technical flaws of SwSh, they somehow made them worse and piled on a bunch of other technical issues. I've already long given up on this franchise, but... wow.
That's what happens when you only have 3 years to develop a game of this size.
Cut them some slack, they're just a small indie company! :^)
I'm genuinely upset that they didn't improve at all since SwSh. This is just SwSh 2.0 and I'm mad because I skipped out on buying SwSh because it looked like shovelware for the GameCube, and this game that I was planning on checking out looks literally the same. Guess I'm skipping on another Pokemon gen.
@@Tea_Noire Dunno what the programming team's been doing, but whoever was in charge of the storytelling and music did great at least..! And by great I mean better than the previous few games, which tbf isn't all that hard
@@DaShikuXI And decide to release 2 main games IN THE SAME YEAR.
Yo these OoT randomizers have gone really wack
He did this with ACE.
this mod is insane
Damn i was going to say something similar but was to late
@@grafzeppelin4069 with that framerate it might as well be a N64 game
it feels like an N 64 game cause the frame rate is garbage.
i think this really captures the "spirit" of Pokemon, even to way back in Gen1...the characters move like 4-bit sprites and the render distance is only about as big as a GameBoy screen...
Ok this is actually funny too good job
And it's full of glitches!
This is the best that the highest grossing media franchise ever has to offer?
Yep, very sad to see how bad the Pokemon company has become.. I was playing Emerald the other day and loving it, kinda funny how much better it is than everything they've churned out in the last half decade or so
@@fredhair That's subjective. I've been playing Pokemon since Red and I enjoyed Sword and Arceus a lot when I beat them last month.
That's why they're the highest grossing.
When you read how they worked on Heart Gold and Soul Silver, how they kept wanting to add more and more, because they actually gave a damn. It makes newer Pokemon games feel sad.
@@mrbisshie That's also how I feel. The generation 5 games are also ambitious titles. Extended post game, lot of side content. Starting with gen 6 I really haven't felt any of the previous effort going into the games. Since then the Mystery Dungeon remake and Arceus have been the stand-out titles for me.
Please make this entire series. This will be the funniest playthrough of this game on youtube
Highest grossing media IP in history. Still has the looks and production value of an early WII game.
Read this as "WWII" and thought you meant it looked decent for the 1940s
It's not even in the slightest an exaggeration to say that there are Gamecube games that look better than this
@@LightLunas Wind Waker GC looks better than even games from PS4
Wii games are better unironically but yea
That's what happens when you task like 80 people to make a massive game in 2 years
One of the funniest streams I've watched. Chat collectively laughing at this mess of a game was amazing
finally, some gamecube content
man, I miss when Pokemon didn't release half-baked games.
I want to cry but my tears dried up years ago
This is actually one of the best videos on ZFGs channel
That's cool ZFG got exclusive access to this closed beta I can't wait for them to take his criticism to improve the product for release!
Hey this indie pokemon fan game isn't too bad.. I mean for a 15 year old Unity developer... Wait.. THIS IS OFFICIAL?!?!
Oot has better framerate. How does this even get released like that. Wow
This is what happens when you have to make an open world Pokemon game in just 3 years, because your game releases have to follow the anime. It's simply not enough time. This is basically the alpha build of the game. It needs at least 2 years more development time to be a finished product.
@@DaShikuXI 3 years is plenty of time lmao. What are pokemon fans smoking. They need to hire some serious talent or partner with a more capable studio. They wont because these games still make crazy money even when theyre janky as hell
@@BurnsyRuns How many large open world games on the switch only took 3 years to develop? Xenoblade Chronicles 3 took ~5 years, and it already had a well-established and highly optimized engine to work with, which Game Freak clearly don't have. Whatever engine they're using barely even works, and it would likely take them years to fix it, even if they employed Monolithsoft or something because I'm sure the code, as is, is a shitshow.
I can deal with the graphical glitches, the 2 fps character animations, the low FPS...
But WHY would you design a Pokemon SPECIFICALLY after a motorcycle--including the wheels--and then have it _run?_
Honestly, it’s both a really great game and an incredibly depressing one. So many aspects of it feel like a big step forward for the series, and gameplay-wise I’m genuinely having a lot of fun. Exploration is great, battles actually move fast instead of being a slog, the writing is surprisingly charming and the visual aesthetic is great, it feels good to just wander around and find items and catch wild Pokémon…
…but the performance issues are so rough that you can literally *feel* the impossible-deadline crunch and the hardware limitations. If corporate had given this game even just half a year more, I bet a lot of the most major hiccups could have been ironed out. It fuckin sucks, man.
This is how I feel about it. Tera types aren't my favorite gimmick but I probably prefer that to Dynamax, but other than that the gameplay experience is a lot of fun...it's just hindered by the low frame rate and glitchy looking areas.
@@xSharpW Honestly what bugs me the most is that all the gameplay changes are blended together pretty well - it’s not like they threw a bunch of random crap into a pot and just left it at that with no rhyme or reason. There’s clearly been a lot of thought put into how the game works.
And yet it’s so unpolished and undercooked in terms of technical stuff that it’s like a Bethesda launch all over again. Though ScVi is actually an RPG (unlike Skyrim or FO4), so at least it has that going for it. :y
Gamefreak just cant make games. Theyre really good at planning the designs, the music, the stats and rpg mechanics, but they utterly fail at programming and graphics optimization. There are so many companies that could do it for them, they need to partner with someone if they ever want to catch up with the rest of the industry
@@BurnsyRuns I feel like a better way to say it is more just that they can't program games, since as you said, they sure as hell can design a great game.
Part of me wonders how much of it is because of how their development is structured, too. ScVi started production right after Sword and Shield were finished, which means that Arceus started development after that. Even though ScVi actively incorporates gameplay aspects that debuted in Arceus. Would GF have had it easier if they focused on Arceus first, and then used that as a base to build ScVi off of? Probably, but I doubt the corporate-mandated release schedule would allow for that.
@@BurnsyRuns Gamefreak can absolutely make games. They proved that many times in the past. There is simply no way they or any other studio can make an open world Pokemon game in the timeframe allowed by Nintendo, with the parameters set by Nintendo. It's just not possible. These games need time to develop.
This is not a problem of Gamefreak's competence. The problem is that they get the same timeframe to make a Pokemon game every time the new anime series rolls out, but the demands of those games keep increasing. It just cannot work.
My favourite bug I have encountered so far is one where an expression gets stuck on my characters face. Nothing better than no matter what is going on my character is just standing there with this psychotic dead-eyed grin on his face.
I do wish gamefreak, and many others, would start trying for once. Like they have shitloads of money, they could have made something proper but simply decided not to.
Do you really think Gamefreak is not trying? What studio could make a properly finished open world Pokemon game, the scale of BOTW, in the three years Gamefreak was allotted to make it? It's impossible. Even BOTW itself took 5 years to develop. There is no way Scarlet/violet could be of any decent quality.
These games need more time to be developed, and that is not Gamefreak's fault. It's Nintendo setting incredibly unrealistic deadlines with unrealistic demands.
Gamefreak didn't decide anything. They need to make their games based on the anime's schedule. This is a Nintendo problem.
@@DaShikuXI fallout new Vegas was developed in less time. Games can be made well with less development time I just think they are a shitty developer ngl. They have the resources to make a good game but somehow can't? I can cut some slack and say and extra year could definitely help them out but I have a hard time picturing a different outcome. Also smash ultimate had 2 1/2 years of dev time so idk lol.
@@trizzle655boy New Vegas reused tons of assets. It was built upon all the work that went into F3. That cannot be compared to S/V.
You have absolutely zero understanding of how game development works.
@@DaShikuXI does the new pokemon game not reuse assets? genuine question. I thought they would at least do less work and try to salvage some stuff from Arceus. Lastly, I guess a better game to show as an example would be it takes two since that game took 2 1/2 - 3 years to create and is a really fun game if you have played it. I feel like it fits the description way better.
Literally played last night and I was like...
"What happened?"
3:42 now this part cracked me up
We will remember you fondly Fuecoco o7
shoutout to whoever said "navi dive" in chat
This game would've been awesome if it released as a Wii U launch title and it was Game Freak's first 3d game.
Another Pokémon, another full price techdemo
Biggest media franchise in the world btw
If it wasn't for the technical issues, this would probably be a fun game. I had fun with Arceus, but ended up quitting, because the game wouldn't shut up and let me play.
i love that the video is in 60 fps like it matters
It lets you see the moments when the framerate isn’t dropping
@@ShuckleShellAnemia Nah, if you're lucky, it tops out at 30fps
3d graphics are the worst thing to happen to pokemon
I would say the second worst
The top worst thing is becoming such a big franchise with so many related parts forcing early releases in the first place
The fact that the pokebike monstrosity can backward long jump while cosplaying as a skyrim horse makes it almost redeemable.
The quality of this game made zfg laugh more in two streams than in two full years
y'know, S/V is the first game i decided to not get since B/W and B/W2, the difference is, B/W turned out be awsome, i dont think i'll regret my choice this time
This is one hell of a turn around dry
Wow, these ocarina of time modders have really outdone themselves
What an experience it was to watch ZFG play the game. There were some other funny moments not shown here, like the ahegao face on one of the characters, the clippable doors on the empty houses, and the "bean-flicking" minigame for one of the gyms(idk what else to call it hah).
There will probably be more pokemon-highlight videos, so those moments might still feature :]
About the Terra-Types before you attack the pokemon icon shows in the left corner what type it is.
Pro tip you can get some tms early by sliding up certain ledges you aren't supposed to get until the motorlizard
To the comments saying negative things about this game: You can stop now. A patch is being released today to hopefully fix the many issues.
While watching ZFG Stream this was funny AF.... i'm so happy I did not pre-order this trash, I don't feel like being robbed ;)
Quest 64 dlc is looking pretty good
Damn I was about to watch a rando but then this popped up in my recommendeds and I didn't even realize it was from ZFG. I love to watch different content from you man! But it's fine either way, your OoT content is great anyways
6:03 "Even if it takes a few tries, Nuzzle is gonna be really good", i am always good yes, thank you for the compliment zfg
It's true though, Nuzzle on my Yamper/Boltund and later Toxel/Toxtricity was my GOAT for catching pokemon in my recent Sword playthrough.
Yes! I'm always good c: I'm glad i could be of help to you too
Man watching this makes me wish I'd caught the stream, because it looks like it was an absolute riot. Hopefully he plays it some more soon because new pokemon look like they're gonna be funny as hell.
Edit: I will say though, although the game looks objectively bad it also seems like it'll be fun. Might end my 9-year Pokemon dry spell for this tbh
games really fun but the performance is ass
The pokemon stream had just so much content in its first few hours that Dry had to pause the randos highlights for one release
And just watch, this is going to get better reviews than X and Y did. Mark my words
Edit: ok yeah, I kind of meant to say "just watch, this is going to get like 9/10 or 10/10 reviews from like everyone". I guess mark that too. Either way, I just hope I'm wrong.
The 3ds games all get too much hate honestly, i enjoyed them all when they came out and i still do. I didnt buy gen 8 because it looked bad tho
I liked XY for King AZ and Floette's story, but having to navigate Lumiose City at all made me want to die and everyone was WAY TOO CASUAL about Lysandre openly declaring his homicidal plans for the world, in public, multiple times. I think Sycamore (the hottest Pokemon Professor) just wrote it off as him being "passionate". Guess you don't have to be smart to study elemental rodents. I also never felt compelled to use Mega Evolution because I was overleveled from abusing the Battle Mansion for my fashion fund (a "me" problem definitely) and the four annoying friend-rivals needed to buzz off. Looker had a really good substory though.
7:00 Remember, if you don't want to battle just say no! Trainers cant fight you without your permission!
Ew
Honestly though, what don’t people complain about when a new game comes out?if it ever drops a single frame people raise hell. If a loading screen is too long people are shitty
You are SERIOUSLY underselling the game's issues lmao
You should watch the video, or anyone else who has played's videos, or even play one of the games yourself. It plays like dogshit on its own dedicated console, it crashes a LOT, memory leaks are rampant, the game has definitely not been tested before release, because the state these games are in are unacceptable. Not just from the highest grossing franchise in the world, from any triple A developer. People gave no man's sky flak, but these games really are the no man's sky of pokemon games. They're awful
Signed, someone who was excited for this gen and thought they'd learned from SWSH. They had not.
Game Freak does not even want to make Pokemon games, they've said that. This alone should be MORE than enough reason to not let those hacks at Game Freak touch this IP again. Let them spew out whatever indie shovelware crap they want to, but they absolutely do not deserve the rights to this franchise. Just imagine what a studio with more than 20, actual, game devs could do with Pokemon..
Imagine Monolithsoft making a Pokemon game
so the new gimmick is they put a ring pop on their head and go 5fps mode??? based
Hopefully ZFG will see all the new broken mons.
We salute your sacrifice sir! o7
Time stamping a random point to mess with analytics 6:14
I collect retro games but I've never heard of this one! I especially collect games from the late 90s so this is right up my alley!
They didn't spend the money on models, they didn't spend the money on graphics, they didn't spend the money on voice acting, they didn't spend money on quality code. What did they create that wasn't already in, idk..let's say Pkmn XD gale of darkness
You try making a BOTW sized open world Pokemon game in 3 years. It doesn't matter how much money you throw at it; it won't be a finished product. Nintendo needs to start giving Gamefreak more time to develop these games. BOTW took 5 years to develop. S/V should have gotten at least the same amount of time.
@@DaShikuXI @DaShiku wouldn't that mean that they bit more than what they could chew? If they clearly had an ETA, a deadline. Why create a game that is so expensive, why create so many new mons, why spend time creating new gimmicky abilities. They could've easily made the game be half the size, half the new mons and delivered a much better game. Just cause they where given a deadline doesn't make them invulnerable to critique, they should've knocked down their expectations and made a much smaller game. BoTW took 5 years? Alright that is great. They delivered a game with much better quality. Still has it's game breaking bugs, So should had they be given 10+ years like some of the AAA games? What's your point in comparing BOTW to V/S?
To my point, Pokemon colosseum, how long was it in development? It came out on '03 and was using models from the prior 3D Pkmn games. The game look great for it's time. V/S look like a game that could've been on the Ds series. Idk man, to me, they just wasted a lot of potential.
Scarlet and Violet suck but so did Coloseum and XD, I’m tired of retroactively hearing that they’re amazing. I played them again last year, and they were so slow, boring and limited
8:35 that's some sonic '06 camera shenanigans right there.
The fastest highlights in the west
2fps classroom was the best part.
However shiny lechonk is a close 2nd favorite
2fps classroom is cursed lol
And companies are going to start charging $70 for these games. Does anybody remember when these Pokemon games were $35?
No because I bought the GB and GBC games secondhand and emulated everything after that 🙃
at this point, knowing this IP, I'm convinced that these games could cost $100 per copy and they probably wouldn't sell any worse...
11:22 so not only dose this run and look like sonic 06 but looks like the setting is the same as well
What could the production issue be? Pokemon makes so much god damn money, but is the development budget itself low? Do they have zero QA? Awful management? I thought the bugs were gunna make me laugh, and some did, but this is just tragically unfinished.
I read an article yesterday (I think it was from Kotaku?) that the development structures of the games are weird. Like they have to make a new generation every 3 years or so to match the merch and card game and anime, so they essentially put prototypes of new game ideas (i.e. open world) without refining because they don't have time. And the developers apparently give new hires who aren't as experienced with programming and game development significant roles in making the game. Which is a nice gesture for junior employees but that just makes the perfect storm of bad code and a rushed game, imo.
@@samuelcalvert9742 Damn that makes a lot of sense. Such a shame
An open world Sonic game, made by modern day Sonic Team, is a more polished and less buggy product than the latest installment of the most profitable media franchise on the planet. Gamefreak is a genuine embarrassment lmao.
The only way these games get better is if people don't buy them. That's it. Stop buying a tech demo for $60.
It's not a $60 demo. It's a $60 advertisement for toys.
How are you supposed to stop parents from buying their kids another pokemon game every year? That's what makes up most of the game sales, and kids couldn't care less about low framerate and glitches if it's pokemon. Been the same for the most part since the broken mess that was Gen 1.
@@Brotlov
Maybe we can't stop patents with bad taste, but we can stop all the adult fans from being ignorant, anyway.
This is unacceptable, how did this get released? It is literally a Beta, this is not a finished game.
This would fit right in on a Shovelware Showcase with Vinesauce.
How did this get released? Because Gamefreak had to make a BOTW sized open world Pokemon game in just 3 years. That's really all there is to is.
@@DaShikuXI Had to?
@@DaShikuXI I keep seeing you post this, but I've legitimately seen nothing that says Nintendo is forcing Game freak to make these games and giving them a 3 year deadline. Until you do provide information stating otherwise that's a load of shit
@@hayato1886 "Speaking with IGN, Pokemon producer Junichi Masuda vaguely discussed how Game Freak approaches future Pokemon games. Masuda also confirmed that new-generation Pokemon titles “have about a three-year development cycle”."
That's from an interview.
"Game Freak held a talk during the Computer Entertainment Developers Conference 2022 (CEDEC) yesterday, 25th August, and the company shared a lot of information about how it developed assets for every Pokémon game. Confirmation that Pokemon Legends Arceus began development in Fall of 2018, with Scarlet and Violet starting around the time Generation 8 was finishing up. Means both games had three years of development."
That is based on another interview.
"The Pokemon community became outraged after a blog post from Game Freak revealed that Pokemon Sword & Shield was made in just under two years. Fans were furious that the Gen 8 title had such a short development cycle."
SwSh had an even shorter dev cycle.
"I think it's worth mentioning that Masuda's involvement beginning in 2020 implies that Pokemon BDSP had about 1.5 years of production (Mar. 2020 ➡ Oct. 2021)"
BDSP likely has even less
There is also a consistent 3 year release window between the mainline games.
X/Y: October 12 2013
Sun/Moon: November 18 2016
Sw/Sh: November 15 2019
S/V: November 18 2022
This is aligned with the release dates of the anime series, as the games and anime are obviously following the same cycle.
X/Y anime: October 17 2013
Sun/Moon anime: November 17 2016
Sw/Sh anime: November 17 2019
S/V: TBD
There is more than enough to show that Pokemon games have a 3 year development cycle. The anime and games are developed alongside each other meaning that Game Freak has to fit their development within those 3 years.
It is an indisputable fact that a Pokemon development cycle is based on a 3 year window.
It is not Game Freak who sets these deadlines. They are based on the whole Pokemon multi-media franchise needing to run alongside each other. The games need to align with the anime, TCG, merchandise etc.
@@DaShikuXI Bro please stop. You just posted interviews stating how The Pokemon Company enforces these deadlines on Gamefreak, and not once is Nintendo even mentioned. Nintendo only handles publication and distribution of Pokemon games. Nintendo isn't a fantastic company either, but don't put this pile of garbage on them.
These low FPS NPCs move like they're from YIIK.
12:37 Futon: Rasen Shuriken
One thing makes the game amazing Dunsparce getting an evo finally
“Bought the game so you don’t have to” well 10 million people brought the game anyway
He bought a game that is the best selling game ever on switch so we don't have to. XD
Is GF trolling us? Like, for real? This game bares an eerie similarity to the last ~17 years of sonic games. Like, even down to the music.
This is the first ZFG video I've watched that isn't Zelda based, and, I'd watch more tbh
This is what happens when you try to make a massive game in a two year dev cycle. We will not get a good 3D pokemon until GameFreak/The Pokémon Company stops trying to push merchandise and new pokemon for marketing purposes so frequently. Unfortunately, this probably won't happen until we stop buying the product anyways, which I don't have high hopes for.
I feel sorry for the devs who don't get to make decisions and have to put out these sub par products in a beloved franchise because of corporate and marketing decisions
dry is quick w it
isn't nintendo pretty demanding when it comes to its games? How did this pass quality control?
if u like pokemon so much
i highly recommend nexomon, monster sanctuary and abomi nation
all on steam
3:50 the rare ZFG laugh
Shin Megami Tensei is a game i think you should try, its often described as Pokemon but with Demons or The Dark Souls of Turn Based RPGs. Its basically the game old people thought Pokemon was back in the day, Satanic and not for kids.
Or why not just play literal SMT Pokemon, aka Demikids?
@@gaminggoddess85 You could i guess.
I hope the pokemon mainline games die at this point, it's more depressing than funny to watch this atrocity of a game
This honestly had me cracking up, I love your reactions to this shit lol
2:10 I did the exact same thing! Lol. I was curious what would happen if I tried avoiding her
Every new Pokemon game is them testing to see how much they can get away with before the core audience actually starts to notice how shit the quality is.
No strats. No tech. ZFG, what the heck?!
I just wish they would give Pokemon to a decent developer, once.
No developer could do better here. You cannot make an open world Pokemon game, the size of BOTW, in just the 3 years Nintendo gave them. It's simply not possible. These kinds of games need at least 5 years to be something you could call a finished and polished game. No matter which studio you employ, it won't work.
They let Genius Sonority make Pokémon Colosseum, despite the dev team having never played Pokémon before, and it was so much better than Game Freak’s stuff that I wonder if they stopped doing that out of embarrassment
THE 3 FPS WALKING LMFAOOOO
the title says it all
Full playthrough???
Wait, stream highlight from today? NICE
bro the mom is a baddie
for real though this is absurd
Pokemon is one of those franchises that I've long since stopped playing, but I still keep tabs on it just in case they start making good games again.
Still waiting... :(
There's pop-in. This is 2022. Optimize the games, Game Freak.
GTA3 looked better than that...
This hurt to watch. Wanting Pokemon main series games to be good again. It hurt, but I needed to see it to know x.x
8:29 game freak doesn’t run pokemon, the pokemon company does. game freak just develops the mainline games, and the pokemon company creates the deadlines. these games aren’t optimized because they never get enough time.
How many hours until he finds boomerang?
Ugh, I bought it anyway because of exactly what you said at 10:50 ... Man, I just want pokemon to be good again :(
Well it never will be, because you bought the game. With your actions you directly showed Nintendo that you want this game. You are the problem. You approved this game. As long as you buy the game you are saying that you are fine with its current state. It's that simple. Stop buying them if you want change.
If you cannot have the discipline to say no to these games, then you should stop wishing for them to be better. Stop making excuses and stop buying the games.
Why did Nintendo think this was okay? it's as laggy as an Alpha build of a game with no lag reduction stuff added for beta yet.
good lord keep it in the oven longer so it doesn't lag like crazy. tone it down if you have to. don't try so much.
Nintendo has nothing to do with the development of these games. They only handle publication and distribution.
The quality of the game is to be expected given how Nintendo is trying to pump out a Pokemon game every year. Scarlet and Violet feel like a nearly finished beta. The game needed another 6 months to a year in the proverbial oven.