Dave Meltzer On What Makes A 5 Star Match
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Wrestling Observer Newsletter's Dave Meltzer joins Chris to discuss what he believes it takes for a match to be rated as a 5-star match in his newsletter.
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Love It CVVCLIPS Bro
What makes a 5 star match for Meltzer?
1. Has Omega or the Young Bucks in it.
2. Takes place in Japan
3. Under no circumstances takes place in the WWE.
Well, #3 is not true. He's given WWE on the main roster 3 5 star matches in the last year.
Lol and as we have seen the past year, doesnt have cm punk in it. No way punk vs Joe was only 3.75 lol
The bucks are barely on tv
@@Kratosx23he’s also given AJPW WOMEN which has been defunct for almost 20 years more than WWE HAS HAD EVER 🤣🤣
lets not pretend he isnt ridiculously bias against WWE
But he gave WWE many 5 star matches last year ........
I love how CVV is grilling him in the kindest and most logical way. Great job.
@@geekmac9349 No, that doesn't sound crazy to me. I like that style of wrestling too. I just said I liked how CVV is interviewing him. I complimented CVV for the way he does his job. I didn't insult Dave. I'm not sure what triggered you.
@@gugie bro I swear 100% I replied to a completely different comment and not yours, no idea how this ended up here lol. My bad bro you didn't do anything wrong
Funniest comment on here 😂😂😂
The cerebral assassin of interviewing CVV
The first 20 seconds his face tells it all 😭😭
Dave Meltzer tiptoeing around discussing Kurt f'n Angle was priceless. Chris Van Vliet deserves a title for that.
Good on Chris for calling out this mush-mouth.
what makes a 5 star match: (for newbies)
1. set the match at tokyodome, Japan
2. wrestlers must be 230lbs, the lighter the wrestler, the more workrate driven the performer is.
3. set the match for 45-120 mins max.
4. 1 superkick is equals to .75 star, do more and hard leg slaps are necessary for the so called "believability"
5. perform at least 3-5 canadian destoryers, in a top rope or high risk angle, thats a plus 1
6. don't sell the move and treat it as a anime drunk fight
7. do flips in one sequence.
8. no punches, do elbow smashes more often
9. perform at least 10 - 20 false finishes for a gripping feel of a match.
10. LASTLY, BE ELITE.
Gunther? Misawa? Manami Toyota? Bret Hart? Not every 5 star wrestler fits these criteria.
@@duckmercy11 because they’re different at least their matches are tolerable than those guys who flips and kicks and performs a thousand false finishes.
@@zachxavierpatatag8393that’s not what the 6 star and high rated matches for WON are
@@dws0828 u can consider it as a 6 star if its in a tag team or trio where in those people would spotfest the hell out of that area in 1 night.
Hahah
Finish a sentence Dave, erm you know
@timslee0618 yet he criticizes others on their promos
@timslee0618 No, it's not. A guy who can't talk shouldn't criticize others who can.
I love how Chris isn’t letting this go. Meltzer I respect as a journalist to a degree, but his star ratings are ridiculous. Rey Mysterio, Eddie, HHH, Angle, Rock and so many others have put on classics beyond a small range of what makes wrestling amazing and yet one dudes take is the most praised? People do need to just understand quality is what you make it. Not a reviewer.
Well said
I dont feel like that's Meltzer's fault. its his opinion and people put it on a pedastal for whatever reason. he has no control over that. I dont get why people want him to be objective when reviewing a creative medium, it just isnt possible. A film critic you respect might give a movie you like a bad review. doesnt mean its officially bad just means that critic didnt like it. The problem is a lot other news outlets seem to look to Dave rather than make their own ratings so a consensus isnt reached.
@@DoctorMooCowoh yes, I'm sure he begs people to not take him seriously
@@DoctorMooCow
The problem with Dave unfortunately is the level of influence he has in the common view. For example if a wrestling museum would to open up, and he has a level of influence for matches to be showcased, and unfortunately with this it’s going to be a vast majority of Omega or Osprey matches which does hinder a casual opinion. That’s where I get the frustration with Dave. I would showcase HBk vs Taker at 25 over Omega for a museum viewing audience, but unfortunately Dave influence and opinions would be used sway those matches away from ever being properly honored.
Cmon CVV
kurt never did 5 super kick in a match how does he deserve 5 star
bet you’re an usos mark 🥴
@@PressXToLiamUsos >>> YB
@@demonsuckafucka6828 but i thought you hated superkicks? the usos gave definitely overused that move this year alone they have become what people complain about the young bucks but worse
@@PressXToLiamYB overused it in last week and they had 1 match
@@PressXToLiam They hate everything that's not WWE, even if those things are the same that the things they like
Dave cant even finish a sentence without thinking of how not to contradict himself.
I actually used to respect Dave’s opinions, but ever since aew bro gives out 5 star matches like Halloween candy. Dude is a indie mark
Big time!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude’s given Will Ospreay 40 five star matches lol.
Oh Uncle Dave "Pay attention to 4 stars" Chris asking the right questions and Dave got nothing
Kenny Omega has more five star matches than Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and the Undertaker combined.
I wipe my ass with Dave Meltzer's reviews.
Don't forget kurt Angle has none
Elite feeds Dave info including negative Cm Punk b.s.That's why.
You say that like it's not deserved
@@sebasfv5705It's not
@@redred1952 It is
Eddie Guerrero vs Dean Malenko for the ECW tv title wasn't a 5-star match?? Man, gtfo here. Guerrero - Mysterio title vs Mask, Halloween Havoc 1997? Guerrero Jericho Fall Brawl 97? Ain't no way that these aren't 5 stars.
TNA having 1 5 star match, esp in the 2000s, is crazy.
facts the aj vs joe vs daniels was one of the greatest matches ive ever seen
@@Presicethat got the 5.
Why anyone takes Dave's ratings seriously, I'll never know...
The wrestlers in one company certainly do. Imagine catering for a sort of journalist instead of an audience who actually matter more then Dave ever will.
The audience that isn’t into predictable cookie cutter matches ?
@@Marqk-ok smark
@@phat_dike
Im not mad , I’m glad that you get to see Roman win because ThTs what your into , cheers
@@Marqk- I don't care about Roman. I just don't understand why people still suck off Meltzer when he's a lying, money-grabbing moron
So Dave admits that CMLL is his favourite style of wrestling, yet he's given them zero 5 stars. He prefers CMLL to Kenny Omega and the Bucks, so he basically just outright admitted that he likes their matches less than CMLL, which means he just said, without directly saying it, that they get constant 5 star matches because they're his friends. I also laughed at "Maybe Kurt Angle didn't have the perfect opponent", lol. Yes, Benoit wasn't the perfect opponent for Angle, lol. the Angle/Benoit match is better than his 7 star Omega/Okada by a lot.
I remember watching Kurt vs HBK at WM as a young kid and thinking it was unlike any match I’d ever seen. It was special. Both of those guys arguably at their peak and they absolutely put on a clinic.
It’s all bullshit and means nothing. Still it’s fun to listen to him attempt to justify his ratings.
1. At least 3 table spots
2. The wrestlers need to immediatly start no selling every move they took in the last 30 minutes and start running and doing a flip
3. At least one Japanese wrestler / EVP has to be involved
4. They need to do at least 5 canadian destroyers, kick out, then end the match with a random submission
As a AEW Fan I now see that Dave Meltzer is FULL OF BLEEP. He’s talking in circles. He’s doesn’t even believe what he’s saying.
It is fantastic. I hear Chris asking accurate questions, and I hear Meltzer just talking for the sake of talking. We all know this man has no fixed rules for his ratings, we know he has favorite wrestlers and we know he has a grudge against WWE. It is okay to have an opinion, I won't deny that, as much as it is okay to give that opinion online. However, when you are that biased, it is hard to take you seriously.
Meltzer is lucky to have been the first one to do what he does, this is why people think he is legit. Be your own judge and don't follow this. Enjoy what you want and don't be "I love this match because this person gave it 6*" or "I hate this match because that person gave it 2*". Have your own critical mind 🙃
And that's the word here I think, "Legit". I think the last person who thinks that their opinions are legit is Dave. His responses here are long winded, but sum up to "it's what I thought at the time, I thought they were important and took risks." He even acknowledges he doesn't go back and change ratings, he knows he hands ratings out arbitrarily and are more reactionary than based on guidelines. I'd say they're based on feelings, emotional reactions, the climaxes that build not in the weeks running up to the match, but from the match itself. Wrestling is Performance Art, and how Dave responds to it emotionally is how he rates matches. Different cultures do wrestling differently and I think Dave prefers the Japanese style. I'm sure many of us in an English comment section probably prefer American wrestling and it's different structure. I'm sure most wrestling fans in the US care little for names like Kobashi, Kawada, or Misawa, and if Dave never gave them 5 stars, nobody in the US would even notice. Dave is only one voice in wrestling, and if you know his preferences, you know what his ratings mean. I think he's a critic with a preference, like a video game critic who likes RPG's, or a movie critic who loves horror. He's a wrestling critic who like Japanese Wrestling. The amount of people who comment how much they dislike his opinions does a lot to show how much of an impact they have on wrestling fans, and just like a wrestler who gets booed, any reaction is a good reaction as long as it's loud :]
It is just a man’s opinions, find something meaningful in your life
This guy was the kid in high school who took write a 1000 word essay to heart and never stopped in his chosen profession. He's like that Fred armisen character on snl talking for the sake of it but never getting to the point.
500 flip, 1000 diving, 5000 super kicks, and it must be in the Tokyo Dome, but if not, any aew affiliated ppv will work. I almost forgot 1 million false finishes
Wow, I don’t remember cody vs Seth having flips🤦♂️
@@user-hx4le1vn2c it called a joke
@@zacharybarker909 maybe get better at them
@@user-hx4le1vn2c or maybe just don't take it personally
@@zacharybarker909 or maybe don’t be such a snowflake when someone thinks your joke sucked
Spots, dives, & kick outs.
And what do WWE matches have to be better than that?
Plot
How to get a 5 star match from Dave Meltzer:
1- Extra points for being in the Tokyo Dome
2- Can't be in WWE
3- has at least 2 spots were the wrestlers almost die
4- forearm strike exchange
5- Insane dive to the outside
6- Extra points for being in AEW
7- Gotta be a 30-45 minutes match
Kenny Omega has more 5+ star matches than all of WWE main roster history has 5 star matches.
Randy Savage vs Ricky Steamboat was most definitely a 5 star match.
AEW having 21 is insane 😂😂😂
I mean watch the matches and you will know why they got 5 star matches ...... AEW is giving bangers tbh
@@msaffyan6986😂😂😂
@@msaffyan6986 Lmao none of this shit bangs
@@ericgarcia2943 Depends on whether you are biased or not ....
u are the biased one here lol@@msaffyan6986
Taker vs Michaels was literally match of the year in the observer but still not 5 stars? Dave has no consistency other than anything with omega is an instant 5+ stars
In his defense he didn't give anything 5 stars either of those years so it was still probably the highest rating of the year
Dave loves the Indy/Japanese style matches. That’s all! It’s like a person who loves a certain flavor of ice cream. He doesn’t hate other ice cream, he just prefers a certain flavor. If you like Dave’s ratings fine, if you don’t like them, that’s fine. Just use your own opinion. I watch WWE, AEW,Impact, NJPW etc. I use to watch WWF, NWA and AJPW back in the 80’s and 90’s. Just enjoy the athletes.
so why even rate matches in the USA with WWE
If Dave would admit that instead of pretending that he's objective, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, there's a bunch of idiots in the business who care more aboutkpleasing him than properly working a live crowd.
But he says he likes a certain ice cream but for some reason even tho it's his flavor of ice cream he still won't give em 5 starts for some reason the take risk why better then all aew tlc ecw the elite aren't that amazing but that ice cream can do no wrong aew gets five starts cuz that's his friends
Ah, Uncle Dave, the marks mark.
7 minutes and still no clear explanation. If you're all hot and bothered about his ratings, then just ignore him. I don't even know how to keep up with his ratings unless someone is complaining on Twitter.
How Dave Meltzer became the premiere journalist in pro wrestling baffles me.
Premier “journalist” only to AEW Marks
Chris is one of the most professional and focused interviewers in the wrestling world. He's conducted interviews with the likes of Velveteen Dream and David Benoit. Since I started watching his interviews, some of them even feel like therapy sessions. When he interviewed Kalisto, he said something along the lines of 'I needed to have this interview' because there was so much he wanted to talk about regarding his time in WWE. Chris is so empathetic; I truly admire his work as a communication professional. He's literally living his dream as a wrestling fan and a professional. I'm so proud of you! I am a fan from Mexico also congratulations on becoming a dad!
Dave Funny as hell I’m rollin
Who is this guy? And why does he seem so sneaky and dishonest?
Isnt this just one guys ratings? Why is everyone so mad
Any EVP against a Japanese dude.
It’s obvious aew is paying him
Nah not paying him but he’s just biased towards them
Did they pay him to play a part in the EliteVCMPunk drama?
more like njpw
They are not paying him but he is biased towards them because they validate his opinion of what pro wrestling should be like. AEW has exposed Dave Meltzer bias.
“Not injury risks” lol ok Dave.
I'm glad Meltzer has finally gotten outed. It's obvious he's biased. But I have to admit he did help bring attention to the bucks and omega which also help lead to the creation of AEW. Hell he's probably paid by them now
I appreciate Dave clearing things up and unequivocally demonstrating what we've all suspected which is that his rating system makes no sense.
The Kenny Omega/NJPW glazing is crazy
CVV you asked the question that everybody wanted to ask to Dave.....didn't you watched TNA back in the day?? the 2000's were amazing
Kurt Angle, in 222 career matches, has 13 matches at 4.5⭐️ or better
Will Ospreay, in 237 career matches, has 118 matches at 4.5⭐️ or better
Let that sink in🤪
People are forgetting that people really stopped watching wrestling in the 2010s. The wrestling just wasn’t good.
Ummm people stopped watching in 2003 because a nobody no name mid carder began booking himself to be hulk freaking hogan. And people completely stopped watching after Benoit. There’s the rasslin business pre-Benoit, and post-Benoit, obviously
@@marcbasil
“Ummmm,” what’s your point, conservative?
@@marcbasillmao are you talking about HHH?
well wwe was crap but tna was better
@@mattj4362 who the heII else would I be talking about? Yes, I was referring to Chyna’s male valet
Dave "AEW.... so many risks its scary"
Also Dave ~gives bloodbath with 15 pildrivers 5stars~
Good job Chris on calling Dave out on his bs
i agree with aew. chris must of not watch how bad wwe ppv matches were doing the cena era, roman era nad athourity era.
2009 to 2015. was the worst wwe era ever. so many moves were banned. and wreslting was water down so much. and same moves.
wwe just recently got good 2016 when the roh and tna ,lucha unground and indie talent came in.
So he expects me to believe that Kenny Omega has 9 matches better than Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle? Or Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker? That's insane to me.
Kurt Angle has ZERO 5star matches. This should let you know anything bout a Meltzer rating.
CVV you're the man. Just to lower yourself to talk to him 👏
Meltzer was never a WWF/WWE fan. He clearly was always a fan of the alternatives. I joined the most popular wrestling message boards and followed the dirt sheets in 2002. This was 22 years ago and during that decade and onward, it was so apparent that Meltzer is biased. The crazy thing is these communities were overtaken by Meltzer-minded fans back in those days but I love that these communities are now overtaken by actual fans than Meltzer-conditioned smarks. This man is toxic asf. Meltzer should be disregarded by all in wrestling and the wrestling media.
I love how Chris asked the questions that I think we've all wondered about regarding Dave Meltzer and his star ratings. I also love how Chris's otaku and fanboy side came out (which I also have from the TNA era). It's the first time I remember seeing Chris get emotional and defensive in the sense that he's offended by the star rating system, especially regarding all the great content from TNA. I'm from Mexico, and access to American wrestling was only through cable (there was no internet or videotapes). There was only one channel, 52MX, which over the years first aired Raw, then after several years, switched to SmackDown, and then to TNA (I also remember a special broadcast of an NJPW event featuring Nakamura and Prince David, the first time in my life seeing puroresu).
The TNA era reinforced my love for wrestling. I remember watching Lethal Lockdown, Sting, Samoa Joe, Kurt Angle, the matches at Destination X were incredible, and all the cruiserweight talent they had, Motor City, Sonjay, AJ, Chri, Creed, Black Machismo! They had some crazy matches! I was also offended, so thanks Chris for expressing that for all of us!
TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA! TNA!
Why is it so hard for Dave to simply complete a sentence?
Being in the tokyo dome, having an aew or japanese wrestler helps too. Not being kurt angle or in the wwe
Dave Meltzer wouldn't know a five star match if it tiger driver 91'd him on his neck.
Good on you Chris for calling this biased Mark out
Meltzer didn’t give Shawn taker 5 stars lol
Also meltzer logic is that aew in 4 years has had more hard workers than the entire history is wwe - it’s a nonsense
WWE Daniel Bryan: 0
AEW Bryan Danielson: 5
So he gets off on people risking their lives for something that is not legitimate sports competition? I mean even if it was, that's sick.
Dave is such a joke to the wrestling business
Basically he's saying Kurt Angle didnt wrestle much in NJPW or AEW lol
Good for cvv calling out this bozo
“YA kNOW!”
If he could just accurately explain what his rules are for a perfect match, I would be satisfied.
- lots of risks. Injury risks even better
- good fan reactions
- long matches
- lots of aerial maneuvers and flips and shit
- friends with the wrestlers involved
Chris manages to flash his million dollar smile while his eyes are completely perplexed at what this rambling old man is saying
By Dave's "standards" and "definition" of what a 5 star match is, every Roman Reigns match of the last 18 months shouldve been a 5 star, and especially all of them since like September. Every one of them hit Dave's "criteria" in terms of style, pace, build, and climax. So dont act like he actually has some formula or actual criteria
It's whatever hits the dopamine and serotonin centers of his autism riddled head.
The thing is Roman isn't Dave's friend, so he won't get a five star rating no matter what great work Roman has produced.
Literally explains that a good match is based on doing "crazy moves". Storytelling and logic and execution isn't important. His styles argument is so dumb
I assume that Meltzer is now retroactively awarding CZW matches 5 stars, based on his own arguments.
nxt deserves alot of 5 star matches.
new japan is overrated.
roh deserves all the 5 star in the world. 2013 to 2019 had been some of the best wreslting ever.
Honestly i dont think people should care about Meltzers rating, theres matches he dont like, but i enjoyed, there are matches he loves so much, i find it to be meh, just enjoy however you want to, dont let some people tell you otherwise, if they do, they prolly got nothing interesting going on in their life anyways
Among the wrestlers to have never received a five star match rating from Meltzer: Edge, Triple H, RVD, The Rock, Mick Foley, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Mr. Perfect, Dean Malenko, Randy Savage.
Among the wrestlers to have received five star match ratings from Meltzer: Jon Moxley, The Young Bucks, Jake Hager, Eddie Kingston, Adam Cole, Hangman Page, Wheeler Yuta.
Get the f*ck outta here…🤦♂️
If i had to put my 2 cents, I'd say there's more 5 star matches in the 2000s than any other decade, as in that decade you had a bunch of legends now only working for one federation. HHH, Undertaker, HBK, Chris Jericho, Hulk Hogan, Cena, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, [redacted], Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Edge, RVD, Orton, Booker T The Rock Steve Austin, the Hardyz, and tons of other legends that are recognized by fans all over the world as being the greatest wrestlers ever, all at one point, for the most part, worked under the same federation and worked with each other a bunch, and yet this clown only gave 7 5 start matches the whole decade, and not a single one of those contained any of these guys.
Benoit v. HBK v. HHH Mania and Backlash
Rock v. Hogan WM 18
Rock V. Steve Austin WM X7, and 19
Brock v. Kurt Angle WM 19
Benoit v. Kurt Angle RR 03
Benoit v. Eddie US title match
Eddie v. Angle WM 20
Undertaker v. Kurt Angle 06
Triple H v. HBK summerslam 02
Rock vs Lesnar summerslam 02
Edge vs Eddie guerrero ladder match SD 02
HBK v. Angle (the whole damn trilogy)
Cena v. Umaga RR 07
Cena v. Edge TLC unforgiven 06
Cena v. HBK wm 23 and their 1 hour match on RAW
Triple H vs Cactus Jack RR 2000
RVD v. Cena one night stand
Hbk vs Hogan summerslam 05 (lol not really)
Every Pay per view match HBK and Y2J had in the 2000s
Eddie Guerrero v. Brock lesnar no way out 04
HBK v. Shelton Benjamin Raw 05
HBK vs the fucking undertaker at wm 25 the greatest damn match ever. Those are but a few of the phenomenal matches we got in the double oughts and yet not a single one of them got 5 stars. Ridiculous.
This dude is a mark
bro just doesn’t even try to hide his bias, no value at all to his shite fucking ratings
Kurt Angle never had the correct opponent. However, shingo takagi and andrade did LOLOLOLOLOL
Konnan said Chris pressed him like a panini. That’s why I’m here
Dave contradicts himself constantly...
Kurt always had 5 star matches FDM
Ye I think it makes a lot of sense! I mean WWE deserves a few more but they’ll do all kinds of silly stuff in the matches to make it so it’s like no one looks bad! But Kurt angle vs Shane McMahon should defs be a 5 star match
Quick question why does his opinion matter more than any of ours
Dudes getting paid off from AEW.
Did they wrestle in Japan? Congrats on your 5 star match
Conduuuuucive!!!
It kind of sounds like wwe matches doesn’t have enough big risk moments for dave
richeto vs will is the best match i ever saw. 5 stars.
A guy nearly got paralyzed getting dropped on his head and this clown loves it
Easy, I got it written down (from Uncle Dave himself)
Step 1: Tokyo Dome
Step 2: no less than 30 minutes
Step 3: AT LEAST 10 false finishes
Dave's opinion only has as much merit as your willing to concede to it.
To my knowledge, Dave has never claimed that his star ratings are meant to be anything other than his opinion as a critic. There are critics for everything, and sometimes their opinions can be helpful, but personally, I'm not going to a certain restaurant based on the opinion of a food critic. I found his ratings to be very helpful in determining which matches are great in the style(s) that Dave likes, but I'm also plugged-in enough to recognize that Dave is never gonna like the dramatic morality play style matches that WWF/E is known for, and that really is ok. I like Randy Orton, Triple H, and more recent Bloodline stuff more than he ever will, and that's ok, too. I still recognize that he's a decent metric for judging lucha, strong style, and King's road matches.
I believe WWF/E revolves more around the television audience, and many other promotions that Dave seems to like better revolve more around the live audience. I like both, but some people prefer one to the other (i.e. Dave).
He has cited his star ratings as proof a wrestler is a success
He cant anwser that question goof
Kenny omega is the best wrestler in the world at the moment… but Dave’s Hard on for the Indy scene is crazy
I would like to know how many MMA Fights are ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ or more according to Dave Meltzer.
3:13 This is why the wrestling community shouldn’t take Meltzer’s “Ratings” seriously.
It’s an opinion. He can’t be wrong. We can all agree his opinion is a load of rubbish tough. These 5 star matches only have merit if people concern themselves on what this one person thinks.
No, an opinion can definitely be wrong.
How to have a 5 star match : don't be in the wwe
Gunther's got 3 from NXT and 2 on the main roster. Which completely contradicts Meltzer's claim of needing to be high risk for 5 stars.
It's literally his opinion.
I don't understand his logic. Sounds like bs.
I only know Meltzer cause people talk so much about his ratings
Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels at the two wrestlemanias never got 5 stars, I'll jusg leave that there
To be fair, you’re finding only a few guys in WWE/F history who would be able to hang with Misawa & the other Japanese legends bell to bell. So I understand why he holds those in such high regard.
Not many people can do the 90s AJPW stuff, which is why it's so iconic. Dave recognizes that, and gives those performances a lot of praise, but I think it upsets wrestlers from other promotions because they may have to work a busier schedule which hampers their ability to put on classic matches. They believe you don't have to destroy yourself to put on a good show for a crowd.
Where I think the disconnect happens personally, is that the people who think he's biased believe he doesn't know that. I believe he does know, and he's choosing to showcase those matches anyway, because even though they may be more dangerous and hard-hitting, he's willing to highlight their sacrifice anyway, which may inadvertently lead to wrestlers pushing themselves too hard and hurting their careers in the process. Don't forget how we lost Misawa.
I think the world in general these days really wants to break everything down into "good" or "bad," but really nothing is that simple. Dave is neither good or bad. Far too many people believe he's influential and powerful in the business, but he's not, and personally, I don't think he claims to be either.
Because it's stiff and the rings back then are eased now to wrestle a reduced schedule
@@Manga_Lloydnah
He said nothing
Chris should start rating mstches himself because he literary sounds like he has more knowledge about wrestling than ol davey here lol
Dave is a joke 🤣. Thank god someone finally calls him on his bs