Running a riveted 1542 tracker (about 190lb boat). I have a 13hp Honda sitting in my garage so I'm highly considering the twister xl kit. I don't run mud or much weeds, just shallow rivers and creeks. I want to keep the motor stock for reliability and to be quiet. However, do you recommend removing the governor? Will that help with a few extra RPMs or does the stock 13hp ever even reach Max RPMs? I plan on ordering the kit this week along with the adapter for a two blade prop. Thanks
Personally I would leave it stock. Everybody knows the governor limits the upper end, but most people don't realize it also cracks the throttle open when starting the motor or if you're idling around and it starts to bog down. Helps prevent the motor from stalling out. You can get a few extra RPM by making sure the throttle limit screw is backed or removed completely. This will let you get a little more tension on the governor spring and keep it around 4k RPM. I wouldn't want to remove it because then you start running the risk of floating the valves or having the stock rod give out.
@@playinlikejimi ok. I'll take your advice. Reliability is key when I'm out with my boys (8,10,12). I'd be tickled shitless with anything even near 4k rpms. Seems like the adapter and a few 2 blades are a must though. Thanks for the quick reply. I hear all kinds of jokers talking about twisters overheating the shaft or breaking. That does not seem to be the case after listening to you and a few others.
@@playinlikejimi one more question. Is there anything addition I need to buy (other than the adapter/2 blades) that doesn't come with the kit. I know they say it's complete, but you know how it goes.
@@donduck6195 nope, the kit will have it all. I have a video how to install it and what tools and materials you'll need. Basic stuff like loctite, thread tape, and paper towels. I can't speak for the shafts. The only broken ones I've seen have hit something hard with a stainless prop. I've never broken one and I'm going on about 5 years running them pretty hard. Use an aluminum prop just in case, it's the easiest piece of the whole drive train to fix. As for overheating, I've pushed mine at 4-5k RPM for an hour straight on several occasions with no issues. Sounds like a lack of basic maintenance and not greasing it well enough.
Great video. I really like the beginning where you show how the trim should be for optimal performance. I’ve been referencing your videos to try and dial mine in and it seems the prop has to be fully submerged atleast 3-4 inches to actually hook up and move the boat reasonably. Only seeing 13 mph max on a twister xl kit with an 8’ prop. Predator 420cc motor and 14’ v hull boat. Any suggestions?
Each hull and weight is different and reacts differently. Aside from checking out my other video explaining how I get them dialed in, I don't have much advice other than keep trying and track every change you make so once you find the sweet spot you can get back to it every time.
This one has the adapter. I know they've been out of stock for a while so I can modify some for the mean time if you'd like. They will also still work with the adapter after modifying.
I'd be happy to sell you one lol, but honestly I'm not sure if it would make a significant performance difference besides just having the engine in a more comfortable position for lifting the prop in and out of the water.
@@raymondchavez1011 sounds like there's an issue with the throttle setup. Make sure the cable doesn't have too much tension on it, causing it to hold the throttle open. Then you can adjust the idle down with a screw on the side of the carburator. After that, take a look at the throttle stop screw to make sure it's opening fully. Once you have the throttle figured out, take a look at my other video and it explains how to dial one of these in. Email me at GunnersHide@gmail.com for more help. I can also give you my contact info through that to help you more if you need.
They all have their advantages. The benefits of each in nutshell: Outboard: quiet, smooth, easiest to operate Longtail: simplest design, versatile Surface Drive: easier to operate than Longtail, more versatile than outboard. Cons: Outboard: not good for shallow water, mud, weeds, logs, ect Longtail: challenging to operate Surface Drive: heaviest, more moving parts and maintenance, more parts that can break. Twister is a fair balance between Longtail and Surface Drive. Very light, easy to operate, and simple design and maintenance.
@@playinlikejimi thanks good overview definitely clears things up so would you recommend a twist tail for someone who is navigating lakes and rivers mostly fishing and recreational purposes but occasionally exploring/hunting purposes?
@@joshuaswanson3068 definitely. I have several motors of each variation (outboard, surface drive, Longtail) and the twister is almost always my go-to for my personal boat.
I make them. Shoot me an email at gunnershide@gmail.com if you're interested. I have a few left in stock, I just need some measurements from you to get the motorboard cut to the right width for your boat and motor combo.
If I have a 1436 Jon boat and put the 15 hp twister on it what do you think my top speeds will look like? And there's lots of stumps in the area I plan on using it it. Is it good for areas with lots of stumps? what props do you recommend for areas like this?
I think you'd get about 20-23mph. Stumps are often a concern for me. Be prepared with some extra props and just don't get wreckless and you should be fine. The issues I've seen people have is just beating on them unnecessarily then not understanding why their stuff is always broken.
@@migsmoreno13 no idea without seeing your setup. Get a tachometer and check your RPMs. I'd start by making sure the throttle limiting screw is backed out and making sure the cable is set up correctly so you know you're able to open the throttle completely. After that you can start adjusting the engine and kit to get better performance from the whole system and not just the engine.
Kind of, but not necessarily. With the Twister it helps with it reaching over the sides to get the tail end in for transport or swapping props on the water as well as a few other benefits. Performance wise I haven't noticed any drastic changes with the jackplate height or stock height.
@@kodyrogers8838 no, I think that's the best combination. I used a 212 on my 1436 just because I needed to drag the boat across land Alot and wanted lowest weight. This video is with a 420cc on a 1236.
@@playinlikejimi okay sweet, thank you. My other question that I kind really find anywhere is what is the difference in the 8-16 hp twister lit and the twister xl? Will the twister xl attach to a 15.5 horse motor?
Stock motor I'd say about 20-23mph. Where the 420cc shines VS a modified 212cc is the torque when you start adding weight. And keeping it as stock as you can really makes things more reliable when trying to cold start it.
I can't remember for this video, but my go-to is a 7" weedless. Handles hunting loads and another person really well, but also plenty of speed when the boat is empty.
The ones I have now will be around $150. Shoot me an email at gunnershide@gmail.com and we can discuss the different options. I can also send you my number that way if that's more convenient.
Yea, I'd say so. I took a customer out to test drive one. I put it on his boat and I put a longtail on mine. It was his first time driving any kind of mud motor and after he was familiar with it we went on a ride through some pretty thick woods. He was following me for a while and once it got real tight, he ended up passing me because the longtail couldn't turn as tight and I kept bumping into trees and getting hung up. As a first timer, it was pretty simple for him to get through with the twister. Although with timber, I can't stress it enough to run an aluminum prop. It's an easy 2 minute fix as opposed to breaking a driveshaft.
@@chasetaylor6727 no problem. And if you're near coastal Georgia I'd be happy to let you test drive one. And if you get one, buy the prop adapter kit right off the bat and no cavitation plate, then check out my other video for dialing it in.
@@40mdeep I have the Jackplate for 2 main reasons. Most importantly I need it for the surface drive models. They sit too low and you get a lot of transom splash. Hopefully I'll get some videos of those soon, but I need to order some bigger props first. Secondly for the twister, it hits the sides as you try to spin it around. Having a Jackplate is a lot more convenient than lifting it off the transom. For the twister I can't say there's much of a performance benefit that I noticed. I'll have more adjustable jackplates ready this week. Email me at GunnersHide@gmail.com if you're interested in buying one.
@@40mdeep actually, a really noticable difference I've seen with the twister and Jackplate is how easy it is to get the prop out of the water when slowing down or coming to a stop since it sits higher. I forgot when I drove around without it, it was hard to get the prop past the surface unless you were almost stopped because the wake catches up with you, but also the back of the boat drops down. With the motor higher, it's easier to get it out of the water faster. Not a nessesity, but pretty convenient.
He explained in a comment above. I got mine because i use it to run up pnw rivers with shallow areas a prop boat cant run. Im running the rivers to fish and i dont want 80in prop shaft making me lose fish when line gets caught.
Well hell yeah what a great video and music keep it up you got my sub!!!
Running a riveted 1542 tracker (about 190lb boat). I have a 13hp Honda sitting in my garage so I'm highly considering the twister xl kit. I don't run mud or much weeds, just shallow rivers and creeks. I want to keep the motor stock for reliability and to be quiet. However, do you recommend removing the governor? Will that help with a few extra RPMs or does the stock 13hp ever even reach Max RPMs? I plan on ordering the kit this week along with the adapter for a two blade prop. Thanks
Personally I would leave it stock. Everybody knows the governor limits the upper end, but most people don't realize it also cracks the throttle open when starting the motor or if you're idling around and it starts to bog down. Helps prevent the motor from stalling out.
You can get a few extra RPM by making sure the throttle limit screw is backed or removed completely. This will let you get a little more tension on the governor spring and keep it around 4k RPM. I wouldn't want to remove it because then you start running the risk of floating the valves or having the stock rod give out.
@@playinlikejimi ok. I'll take your advice. Reliability is key when I'm out with my boys (8,10,12). I'd be tickled shitless with anything even near 4k rpms. Seems like the adapter and a few 2 blades are a must though. Thanks for the quick reply. I hear all kinds of jokers talking about twisters overheating the shaft or breaking. That does not seem to be the case after listening to you and a few others.
I like long tails but that's just too much length hanging off the back for the twisty creeks around me
@@playinlikejimi one more question. Is there anything addition I need to buy (other than the adapter/2 blades) that doesn't come with the kit. I know they say it's complete, but you know how it goes.
@@donduck6195 nope, the kit will have it all. I have a video how to install it and what tools and materials you'll need. Basic stuff like loctite, thread tape, and paper towels.
I can't speak for the shafts. The only broken ones I've seen have hit something hard with a stainless prop. I've never broken one and I'm going on about 5 years running them pretty hard. Use an aluminum prop just in case, it's the easiest piece of the whole drive train to fix. As for overheating, I've pushed mine at 4-5k RPM for an hour straight on several occasions with no issues. Sounds like a lack of basic maintenance and not greasing it well enough.
Great video. I really like the beginning where you show how the trim should be for optimal performance. I’ve been referencing your videos to try and dial mine in and it seems the prop has to be fully submerged atleast 3-4 inches to actually hook up and move the boat reasonably. Only seeing 13 mph max on a twister xl kit with an 8’ prop. Predator 420cc motor and 14’ v hull boat. Any suggestions?
Each hull and weight is different and reacts differently. Aside from checking out my other video explaining how I get them dialed in, I don't have much advice other than keep trying and track every change you make so once you find the sweet spot you can get back to it every time.
Ate the twister tails pretty strong? Im looking at getting one with a 22hp motor but im worried about it holding up well?
That prop with the adapter or is it the mod propeller that you threaded on?
This one has the adapter. I know they've been out of stock for a while so I can modify some for the mean time if you'd like. They will also still work with the adapter after modifying.
I have a Longtail straight shaft with a 420 on a 1436 would It makes sense to get one of your jackplates for fine tuning
I'd be happy to sell you one lol, but honestly I'm not sure if it would make a significant performance difference besides just having the engine in a more comfortable position for lifting the prop in and out of the water.
@@playinlikejimi thanks boss I'll lyk
Did you have to take governor off to get that idle down
No, I didn't. Are you having idle issues?
@@playinlikejimi yea it idles at about 6 7 mph what the goveren is holding it at going top speed 10.2 16hp mudskipper motor 1442 flatbottom
@@raymondchavez1011 sounds like there's an issue with the throttle setup. Make sure the cable doesn't have too much tension on it, causing it to hold the throttle open. Then you can adjust the idle down with a screw on the side of the carburator. After that, take a look at the throttle stop screw to make sure it's opening fully.
Once you have the throttle figured out, take a look at my other video and it explains how to dial one of these in.
Email me at GunnersHide@gmail.com for more help. I can also give you my contact info through that to help you more if you need.
What’s the advantage to having the twister set up vs a surface drive or long tail or even an outboard?
They all have their advantages. The benefits of each in nutshell:
Outboard: quiet, smooth, easiest to operate
Longtail: simplest design, versatile
Surface Drive: easier to operate than Longtail, more versatile than outboard.
Cons:
Outboard: not good for shallow water, mud, weeds, logs, ect
Longtail: challenging to operate
Surface Drive: heaviest, more moving parts and maintenance, more parts that can break.
Twister is a fair balance between Longtail and Surface Drive. Very light, easy to operate, and simple design and maintenance.
@@playinlikejimi thanks good overview definitely clears things up so would you recommend a twist tail for someone who is navigating lakes and rivers mostly fishing and recreational purposes but occasionally exploring/hunting purposes?
@@joshuaswanson3068 definitely. I have several motors of each variation (outboard, surface drive, Longtail) and the twister is almost always my go-to for my personal boat.
What is the brand and name of that Jack plate? For that transom? Thank you!
I make them. Shoot me an email at gunnershide@gmail.com if you're interested. I have a few left in stock, I just need some measurements from you to get the motorboard cut to the right width for your boat and motor combo.
How does the 12 footer sit in the water with that 420 on the back?
It sits pretty well. Runs better with some extra weight up front though, so I like having at least 70-80lbs or so up there.
If I have a 1436 Jon boat and put the 15 hp twister on it what do you think my top speeds will look like? And there's lots of stumps in the area I plan on using it it. Is it good for areas with lots of stumps? what props do you recommend for areas like this?
I think you'd get about 20-23mph. Stumps are often a concern for me. Be prepared with some extra props and just don't get wreckless and you should be fine. The issues I've seen people have is just beating on them unnecessarily then not understanding why their stuff is always broken.
@@playinlikejimi you know why I’m only getting 10mph max on my 14ft Jon boat twister kit and 13 hp Predator engine?
@@migsmoreno13 no idea without seeing your setup. Get a tachometer and check your RPMs. I'd start by making sure the throttle limiting screw is backed out and making sure the cable is set up correctly so you know you're able to open the throttle completely. After that you can start adjusting the engine and kit to get better performance from the whole system and not just the engine.
@@migsmoreno13 ..prop size and bracket hight are very important to get most out an specific set up.
Your effectly running a 20in transom then?
Kind of, but not necessarily. With the Twister it helps with it reaching over the sides to get the tail end in for transport or swapping props on the water as well as a few other benefits. Performance wise I haven't noticed any drastic changes with the jackplate height or stock height.
Do you think a 16 hp with the twister xl would be too much for a 1436? Trying to get as much speed as possible while also not overloading it.
I mean a 15.5
@@kodyrogers8838 no, I think that's the best combination. I used a 212 on my 1436 just because I needed to drag the boat across land Alot and wanted lowest weight.
This video is with a 420cc on a 1236.
@@playinlikejimi okay sweet, thank you. My other question that I kind really find anywhere is what is the difference in the 8-16 hp twister lit and the twister xl? Will the twister xl attach to a 15.5 horse motor?
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Gunner you have a link to the jackplate you using?
Send me an email at gunnershide@gmail.com and I'll give you my contact info. I make them and I have a few in stock.
If I’m running a 1436 with a predator 420 and prop adapter,what kind of top speed could I see
Stock motor I'd say about 20-23mph. Where the 420cc shines VS a modified 212cc is the torque when you start adding weight. And keeping it as stock as you can really makes things more reliable when trying to cold start it.
@@playinlikejimi I plan on just doing a stage one kit,carb kit and intake and exhaust,your opinions?
How much did you pay the kit only pls reply
Go to Mud-Skipper.com and you'll be able to see all the prices there.
What size motor is on it?
this one is a predator 420cc
What size boat? Nice video!
It's a 1236 G3
What size prop
I can't remember for this video, but my go-to is a 7" weedless. Handles hunting loads and another person really well, but also plenty of speed when the boat is empty.
What are the cost of your jack plates?
The ones I have now will be around $150. Shoot me an email at gunnershide@gmail.com and we can discuss the different options. I can also send you my number that way if that's more convenient.
Is that the dude from hot tub time machine?!
Does it turn sharp enough for timber?
Yea, I'd say so. I took a customer out to test drive one. I put it on his boat and I put a longtail on mine. It was his first time driving any kind of mud motor and after he was familiar with it we went on a ride through some pretty thick woods. He was following me for a while and once it got real tight, he ended up passing me because the longtail couldn't turn as tight and I kept bumping into trees and getting hung up.
As a first timer, it was pretty simple for him to get through with the twister. Although with timber, I can't stress it enough to run an aluminum prop. It's an easy 2 minute fix as opposed to breaking a driveshaft.
As for how sharp it can turn, as long as you can still hang on to the handle, you can turn it almost perpendicular to the boat.
@@playinlikejimi you have no clue how much this has helped me. Thank you so much. Twister it is for me then!
@@chasetaylor6727 no problem. And if you're near coastal Georgia I'd be happy to let you test drive one. And if you get one, buy the prop adapter kit right off the bat and no cavitation plate, then check out my other video for dialing it in.
Nice video! What size engine you runin?
This one is a stock Predator 420cc.
@@playinlikejimi You planning any upgrades to the engine? Also, why do you have yours on a higher up bracket?
@@40mdeep I have the Jackplate for 2 main reasons. Most importantly I need it for the surface drive models. They sit too low and you get a lot of transom splash. Hopefully I'll get some videos of those soon, but I need to order some bigger props first.
Secondly for the twister, it hits the sides as you try to spin it around. Having a Jackplate is a lot more convenient than lifting it off the transom. For the twister I can't say there's much of a performance benefit that I noticed.
I'll have more adjustable jackplates ready this week. Email me at GunnersHide@gmail.com if you're interested in buying one.
@@40mdeep actually, a really noticable difference I've seen with the twister and Jackplate is how easy it is to get the prop out of the water when slowing down or coming to a stop since it sits higher.
I forgot when I drove around without it, it was hard to get the prop past the surface unless you were almost stopped because the wake catches up with you, but also the back of the boat drops down. With the motor higher, it's easier to get it out of the water faster.
Not a nessesity, but pretty convenient.
Looks like alot of fun
Hi what size propeller
Most of this video was using a 7" weedless.
What speeds you seeing out of the modded 7 hp twister?
The most I got was 23mph, I like to cruise around 18-20
You run 20 to 23 with set up
Nice❤
why not just get a long tail or a surface drive? This Twister tail hybrid seems like a marketing gimmick....
He explained in a comment above. I got mine because i use it to run up pnw rivers with shallow areas a prop boat cant run. Im running the rivers to fish and i dont want 80in prop shaft making me lose fish when line gets caught.