The Man Ray Modern Chess Set, early 20th Century - AncientChess.com
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- Опубліковано 27 січ 2013
- A striking example of 20th century chess design, by one of the great innovators of the modern age. Designed between 1920 and 1924, this set broke new ground in design possibilities, culminated in a famous exhibition in New York, 1944-45. In 2012, the Man Ray Trust authorized a new edition of this set. Manufactured in Germany. - AncientChess.com
I know what you mean. Man Ray seriously did want to create a new alternative to the pervading designs, and considering his place in history, the idea was not as far-fetched as it sounds today. In fact, the Staunton design was not officially selected by FIDE until 1924 -- four years after May Ray's first version of his design (this one shown here). Now that we've all been raised on Staunton, there's no substitute. Still, I find it amazing how easy it is to play real chess with this set.
AncientChess When you write that they play well, would you compare them to some of the highly ornate Pieces made for special tournaments?
Have you seen the recent Pieces by the guy at Staunton? The alternative Knights are clearly influenced by Man Ray.
Very elegant. A beautiful design.
Congratulations on your marvelous Set!
Thanks. Very nice modern designs
Very nicely designed and pleasing to the eye!
I like this set alot but in all honesty, for me it's decoration, something that fits perfectly well into a modern designer appartment, but when it comes to playing chess I'd still pick a Staunton set.
AGREED!
Beautiful !
Great video. Love the channel
Awesome set, cool vid. You got a new suscriber
Hi Jeff, as a chess player, I appreciate your sense of this. I would always expect to play a serious standard game on a Staunton set. On the other hand, I am surprised at how easily the sense of chessmen transfers to the Man Ray set. I find that playing a real game on this set is not so big a leap as one might think. Unlike most chess set innovators, Man Ray wasn't just trying to create a modern 'effect,' but really looking for an updated design to present the classic game to the modern mind
That is amazing! I need toget this and a Bauhaus set. ❤
Thanks for the comment. For me, the legacy of chess is a window into human culture. I'll keep them coming!
I finally have these listed. Check them out at my web site, AncientChess com.
Click on the image, second thing down in the second column, "MODERN DESIGNS, 20th Century"....
I love the look of this set. The only thing that I don´t like about it, is the king. It would be more easy to tell the diffence between the king and queen at a glance, if the king was a bit taller.
These sets may look cool in a museum, but when it comes to pieces that are easy to handle and recognize in the real world, I always come back to Staunton. It's about the game, not the pieces.
Jeff S. I agree with you, though Drueke Boards are the agreed upon greatest, and the sets made by Drueke feel better than any other Pieces I’ve had, and I was gifted a beautiful Drueke with a complete wood set of their incredible Pieces, and I’m actually ordering Plastic Drueke Pieces...
I can’t believe it...
Cool ^^
Using geometry to indicate movement of the shapes is not new, however where Man Ray and Hartwig strayed was by introducing cones, spirals, spheres etc, which can't explain the purely linear movements of chess. My design improved on both sets. chessblocks.com
How do we get to see our design? Sounds very interesting!
follow me on twitter at chessblocks or Jim Coady . And thanks for telling me about BoxPop, it's an amazingly entertaining app and the best way to learn to do Knight Tours and geometric pattern art...if you know the secret.
Be carefull for the accurate side of the chess board ... very Nice chess set though....!
Immediately I didnt like it, however the more I look at this set the more I can appreciate it. I guess I like details. This set makes sense after studying it. I still think practically, it might lack in terms of grasping the Queen and the King. I could see myself moving those pieces and having one of them "squirt" out from my fingers and falling onto the board and disturbing the places pieces. After playing GO on a smaller board I cant help thinking practical about ability to grasp a piece and move it safely without disturbing the other pieces.
I understand what you mean. It's fortunate that only the king and queen seem to offer that slipping possibility -- the knight would be a real problem, since you have to lift it up. I've been noticing that chess pros sometimes have a particularly elegant way of handling chessmen from the top of the piece, and sort of pushing it along with slight downward pressure, a style of touch that uses the board to prevent slipping. Of course, go pieces and shogi pieces have a definite tradition of handling: pick up first with the longest fingers (not the thumb!).
But in practice, I don't think this set creates much of a problem. Easy to visualize slippage -- but probably won't upset your game
@@rickknowlton9990 Good points. You wouldn't likely play blitz with a set like this.
M-m-m-m-m-m-m-MAN RAY!!!!
Nice eh? His real name is Emmanuel Radnitzky. Beautiful set
It's a SpongeBob reference. The supervillain's name is Man Ray, which I'm sure was a chess pun intended.
@@garyfleming7028 Thanks, I totally missed that (though I did see the movie). Man-ta-Ray ... very offbeat funny!
Duchamp designed a Set, though I was never too crazy about it, but who am I to say....
I agree, Duchamp's design is a strange mix of pieces with their tops shaved off (K, Q, B) and pieces made with a kind of chunky style. It would've been more interesting if he took that chunky styling on to the other pieces, but the 'shaved off' pieces just like of look like a regular set that's kind of broken. I didn't care for his urinal either :)
The board seems too small for the pieces unless it is for show and not play.
Mamamama mamamama!MAMAAMAMAAMAA! Man ray!
The truly Modern Man -- Emmanuel Radnitzky!
@@rickknowlton9990 I ment man ray from spong bob
@@alex_plays4.595 Oh my god, there's a Man Ray in Sponge Bob ... I didn't know!
spongebob.fandom.com/wiki/Man_Ray
Ya I watched sponge bob ever since I was born
@@alex_plays4.595 Great! I've added the Mamamamaa clip to my Man Ray playlist!
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don't mind the pawns everything else looks too modernist and pretentious. Although the board is very high quality looks very nice.
Is there any modern design that you enjoy? Or do you find modernism pretentious in general? Our view today is very different from the inspirations of the early 20th century
If it ain't stauntan, dubrovnik or lardy, you can get the hell out of here with all other designs.
...and you were drawn to this video because...?
@@AncientChess curiosity.
@@dreadykruger2266 Well, now you know. There's nothing new under the sun that's better than the cultural and aesthetic milieu into which you were originally dropped. I've got a lot more videos for you at ancientchess.com/page/videos.htm, but I can tell you in advance, everything you don't know already is just a legacy of suck
@@AncientChess I am 70 years old. My grandfather died in 1982 at the age of 101. He was an avid chess collector from the age of 9 until his death and so was his father. He would call the sets "furniture." He left me all of his "furniture" and the "furniture from his father. I have complete sets from the mid 18th century straight up to 1982. I have original club sets from taverns and pubs in both Massachusetts and London. I have two of raul capablanca's personal sets that were made in cuba. I also have two pre-'production berliner sets. Original jaques of london sets. I have 3 sets made in 1901 that are made out of pieces of brick from. The great pyramid of giza in egypt. I have sets that were made by soldiers in the trenches durring ww1. I have over 150 chess tables and chairs that were all made before 1935. I have 8 tumbling chess clocks that were made in 1887, and they still work to this day. I original jerger clocks from the 1950s. I have chess tables, chairs, sets that came from the marshall chess club in 1936. I have 8 pieces that were carved by Alburto Burri. I have pieces that are made from 1920's ivory and more and more. I had pieces on display in 1991 i the guggenheim. I have a dubrovnik set with every piece autographed on the felts by bobby fisher. And the funny thing ia i have never collected a set in my life. I used to go to the parks and play here in lower manhattan but covid stopped all that.
@@dreadykruger2266 You have the most AMAZING collection EVER ... yet you say you have never collected a set in your life. What do you mean?
Borin hess set khhhhh
I'd be very interested to know what you mean. Thanks
Intriguing but...no. Just, no.
Everybody's got an opinion, right?
@@AncientChess Oh yes, and I sincerely apologize if I sounded insulting. Just not for my personal tastes.
@@johnstevenson9956 Thanks, yeah, I know. I am interested in all kinds of chess sets. Some, such as these, I find genuinely offer something, and speak for the time in which they were developed (about a hundred years ago). For the most part, it would be hard to get chess players to even consider a type of chessmen other than the ones we have learned as standard (i.e., the Staunton design) -- but for those who venture out, there is much to enjoy. Even further afield are the other forms of chess (Chinese, Cambodian, Japanese, etc.) -- very foreign, but each offers something unique, valuable and tested by centuries of play. So, I understand 'no' ... but am always especially interested in 'maybe yes...'
@@AncientChess I do have a lot of beautiful sets that don't resemble the Staunton style in the least. A lot of them, I wish I knew more about their origins or their inspirations, but I don't have a clue. Perhaps I'll catch one from your videos.
@@johnstevenson9956 Send me your thoughts any time. I'll be interested to know that sort of sets that capture your imagination