IS PURGATORY REAL | Question and Answer
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- In this sermon, Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel answer the question about Purgatory
Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel TEACHINGS
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Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel
Mar Mari Emmanuel CLIP
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As a Catholic, I’m impressed that he did his homework and laid it out there exactly like I would. This man is something else. If I never meet him on earth, I hope to see him in heaven. God bless and keep this man.
But he prayers to the dead
Orthodox believe in something similar to "toll houses". @@tonyfarah1179
@@tonyfarah1179 wrong comment, bro. “Communion with the saints” or the Eucharist and what it means is something you should research.
@@tonyfarah1179 he doesn’t pray to the dead, he prays for the dead. He prays to the saints who are not dead.
It is a place we catholics believe exist and people there need our prayers to be liberated.
My brother committed suicide. My mother....a devoted Catholic...was of course devastated, but she was very upset that he was likely not in heaven. About 3 weeks after he died, Mom was awakened in the middle of the night, and Johnny was standing at the end of her bed. He told her not to worry about him. He was in purgatory, and that he was okay. This helped her more than anything.
He may have even said before he did it, God forgive me, or was not of sound mind. God does send people to Hell for killing themselves, but not all, He and only He knows why your brother did that. I think your mother would have been praying very much, and what she got as a miracle from God to allow him to tell her that. Yes, there is Purgatory, and we should be happy knowing that. I remember a Priest said, always aim for Heaven, because the worst will be Purgatory, so don't ever aim for Purgatory because it will be Hell when you leave this world.
not all visons if rom God. visons have to be aligned with the word of God; sorry for your loss
I truly believe and know there's purgatory
@@luminussekat9030 yikes, give me your evidence.
That would mean Jesus died for nothing if you can just spend a little time in hell and pay for it yourself.
@@luxuryimpression A Catholic knows that very well. His mother for sure was praying but had doubt because nobody has the right to kill themselves. It was a gift for her.
mari mari emmanuel always respect the other churches and it humbles me cause i tend to get angry when people bad mouth catholics and tell lies.
catholic church is mystery babylon the mother of harlots and abominations of the world. You dont know much.
Unfortunately Roman Catholics have a false gospel
Because beliefs like purgatory don't really change the faith of christianism. Wether you believe it or not doesn't stray away from the fundamentals of christianism.
@@J040PL7 of course it does.
@@spod11 how so?
Praying for the dead so their time in Purgatory is shortened .Sin has to be purged .Heaven is perfect and Holy .
and that's what the Prayer for the Dead for.....
No one can be saved beyond the grave. They is nothing in bible about purgatory, when person die goes back to the dust were they came from waiting for the day of lord judgement
@@rodericksinayigure9845 the souls in purgatory are already saved.
@@rodericksinayigure9845 purgatory isnt about being saved. It is about being made perfect as our Lord is perfect and being made fit to enter into the beatific vision as nothing unholy can enter into Heaven. The bride of Christ must be without Spot, purgation begins in this life at Baptism and for those who die in friendship with Jesus, this purification continues until complete in purgatory if it wasn't completed before death.
Jesus speaks about paying the last penny to be released from jail. There is no release from hell. Purgatory is for the saved.
Here we go again, Catholics quoting verses out of their asses
In the middle of my sleep one night, I woke up with an intense euphoric feeling through my entire body. And during this 5 second rush of euphoria, purgatory made perfect sense. I can’t even explain it, but purifying our souls made perfect sense and I don’t deny purgatory ever since.
Purgatory ties everything in and makes sense of everything. And the explanation of Purgatory is clear in the Bible. (You will suffer loss and be saved but ONLY as thru FIRE 🔥). Purgatory is the burning love of Jesus christ for us and we will be purified by him, hence Purgatory. It's a wonderful mercy by our Lord, God is GOOD ❤️🔥.
If it makes sense to you then please explain:
1) God is omnipotent but has to wait for humans to pray to release already saved souls into heaven?
2. Whilst purification of our works is to take place at the Last Judgement (1 Cor 3:13), it's not talking about what happens to people dying today, yesterday, 100 years ago. Scripture does not posit that payment is required even though God has forgiven sins. Within Scripture's theological paradigm there is either forgiveness or punishment, not both (which is what purgatory is).
3). Purgatory was a useful concept, in the medieval period, for indulgences. Making money in other words. Not a good look when you come face-to-face with Christ, again on that Day of Judgement (1 Cor 3:13-15)
@clivejames5058 either forgiveness or punishment but Not both you say??? Then you tell me what (they will suffer loss, and they will be saved, but ONLY as thru fire 🔥) means in the bible? How can going thru fire aaand suffering loss not be some form of punishment??
@@nikolakrcic1021 As I said, 1 Cor 3:13-15 is our works burning up through fire BUT this takes place at the Last Judgement (v:13) not if you were to die today. And it's not me who originally said 'forgiveness or punishment but not both" - it's the Orthodox Church, of which Rome was a part for the first 1,000 years of Christianity.
@clivejames5058 yea, then you guys rejected your pope, and the filioque and fell into schism. The church TEACHES, Clearifying things, and correcting heresy. If you guys don't trust the holyspirit to guide and teach then I don't know what to tell you.
On Purgatory, you can't separate our works from our soul, they are connected. How in the world can you burn up my works and not me with them? Can you throw a guys bad works into prison? Or does the man go to prison cauz of and along with his bad works?.
I’m a Roman Catholic, I believe in it; if someone else doesn’t that’s fine. I guess we’ll find out soon or later. As for my fellow Catholics take advantage of Divine Mercy Sunday this week. 😊
@lemmdus2119
Who has bewitched you from obeying the truth?
You are being hoodwinked.
As a former Irish RC fully formed and bred in the church but now of the Reformed Christian faith.
Let me correct and exhort you please.
There is NO such thing as purgatory.
Jesus NEVER mentioned any such thing.
It is an evil false hope built on the traditions and doctrines of men.
To hold onto it is to deny the finished work of Christ on the cross.
@@LiffeyKing
Very true.
I'll go as far as to say that NO Born Again Christian can believe in purgatory.
@@LiffeyKingSorry we do not listen to heretical protestant Luther man made doctrines! The Saints even said Prugatory exist and they were much much closer to Jesus himself than you and me brother! Keep that in mind brother!
Roman Catholic baptised here and I don't believe in purgatory nor do I believe in praying to Mary or any other saints just our lord Jesus Christ period. No icons, statues, stones just Jesus ❤
“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.”
-2 Machabees 12:46
I am convinced that there is NOTHING in the Bible that gives the slightest support to the doctrine of purgatory, and I believe that there is a big problem with this interpretation of Maccabees.
There is no law that instructs prayer for the dead or mentions its effectiveness, this practice does not come from the law of Moses or any of the prophets, therefore, it is an acquired practice.
There is strong evidence that, by adopting practices foreign to Judaism, the writer of Maccabees (Jason of Cyrene or a later scribe) misunderstood Judah Maccabee's intent. Judah was probably trying to fulfill the ordinance described in Leviticus 4:13-14 "13 And if the whole congregation of Israel err, and the thing be hid from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done any of the things which Jehovah hath commanded not to be done, and are guilty; 14 when the sin wherein they have sinned is known, then the assembly shall offer a young bullock for a sin-offering, and bring it before the tent of meeting."
The previous verses of 2 Maccabees also make no mention of an intermediate state, in fact it is clear that the author's understanding was that the sacrifice would be of the same nature as the sacrifices offered by the living, being sacrifices for the remission of sins so that they were justified on the Day of Judgment, in the resurrection of the dead.
If this is the best verse to defend purgatory, the Catholic Church is in big trouble.
@@everttonterra2572 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3
“Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
Matthew 5:26
@@everttonterra2572the better question how do we know your interpretation is infallible
Since the Bible had proven the Magisteirum (Church) is infallible Tim 3:15
And the Bible condemns Self interpretation 2 Peter 1:20-21
How do we know?
@@everttonterra2572so your saying the Jews the time already went into apostasy Ok I get it?
@@adude849 This interpretation did not come from me, I saw it in another video while researching the subject, and by far it is the one that seems most coherent to me, as it respects the context of the Old Testament and the chapter itself. One of the most prevalent patterns in the Old Testament is that of God calling Israel to sanctify itself, but Israel repeatedly surrenders to the customs of other nations and worships their gods, Israel has always corrupted itself (read Ezekiel 16, Hosea 2, Hosea 11).
1 Timothy 3 does not prove the infallibility of the magisterium, in fact it proves the opposite, since the chapter itself is dedicated to guiding the behavior of those who serve as caregivers for other Christians. If they were infallible there would be no need for instructions. Verse 15 does not indicate supernatural infallibility, it indicates the church's responsibility to be blameless. And the history of the Catholic Church itself would disqualify it as infallible, given that it once had as its top leaders people that today it would recognize as antichrists, the antipopes.
2 Peter 1:20-21 does not condemn the reading and interpretation of the Bible. Just read the verses to understand that in them Peter teaches that even though he is a witness to Jesus, the Prophets are an even more powerful testimony, since the Prophets did not speak things that came from their own minds, but rather things that God gave them to speak. .
These are just a few of many other passages in the Bible that the Catholic Church and other Christian leaders completely take out of context in order to discourage lay people from questioning their authority.
May God bless us and always guide us to the truth.
If you pray for the dead, it means you believe in purgatory. The ones already condemned to hell are beyond saving, the ones in heaven are already saved. it is for the ones in Purgatory that you are truly praying. The Orthodox churches definitely have a tradition of offering prayers and remembering them in their Divine Liturgy. Also, I am an Eastern Catholic and I love our Orthodox brethren.
@@leta5034 Praying to someone who is in hell is defying divine judgment
@@wesley2684 But nobody knows for a certain who is in hell or heaven. Thus you pray for if the love is in your heart, it must be wanting for everyone to receive heaven.
Purgatory is real, period and it exist. As it’s God’s love and mercy in a way of purifying the souls from any kind of blemish or attachment, also provided they did not die in unconfessed mortal sin, but yet has reparations or atonement for their sins to be made. Those who can pursue sainthood on earth, God can have the soul in his presence immediately after death provided he lived in total subjection to God’s law and in perfect submission 🙏✝️❤️
@@djwillyalmeida that's saying that jesus' sacrifice wasn't enough to purify you and therefore his death meant nothing. Because that's exactly what he died to do was to purify you of your sin and wipe away your debt.
Depends on context like praying for a dead baby which has commited no sin.
Purgatory comes from a word purge which means to purify. God will purify the unclean soul because nothing unclean shall enter the Kingdom of God.
Amen. Well said. Neither is the word ‘Trinity’ mentioned but nobody questions that. 🤔
What I love about Mari is that he does not engage in Catholic bashing. He states the various beliefs of different types of Christians without judgment.
As a catholic I personally believe in purgatory, and im glad that even though he is from a church and denomination that doesnt really believe in it, he is open to the idea of it. He is a respectable man and bishop. Hope he has a fast recovery from his recent attack and he gets well soon!
Are you also open to sola fide?
Let the blood of Jesus speak for you at your death my sibling, and then you will have nothing to fear. Cling to his bosom while we are alive. And I hope that you and I will run into each other in heaven, both greatly relieved we hung on to the one who died for us
@@irsshill4502 We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone. *martin luther*
Or how about John Calvin
It is therefore faith alone which justifies, and yet the faith which justifies is not alon
Sorry just trying to show how the words were used.
It almost seems like a disingenuous way of saying something making it sound different but it’s the same thing.
Catholics believe we are Saved by faith through grace. Living faith working through love.
But, this dude denies the Trinity.
Ok, he says is in there, but no proof text, just his word. Run people from this guy
I grew up non-denominational/Protestant, but I have no issue saying I don’t know if some of these things like purgatory are real or not. Either way, I still see my Catholic and Orthodox friends as Christian brethren as long as they believe in the triune God Jesus Christ, his death, bodily resurrection, and do his will.
I had the same general view as you up until realizing that historical Catholic teaching suggests that we protestants are anathamized for nearly everything that we disagree with the Catholic Church about...anathema in its historical context means damned on the day of the lord. So, for us, Cathloics can be saved. For them, protestants are doomed, at least historically speaking, they probably did not anticipate the protestant Reformation succeeding as greatly as it did , and so you will find now their is alot of walking back done on what anathema means and just how serious it is.
1 Corinthians 3:10-15 is the most common biblical proof for it. There we read that 'each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done'
Brother may i add
Luke Chapter 12
41 Peter asked, “Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”
42 The Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? 43 It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. 44 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 45 But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. 46 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
1 Corinthians 3:10-15.
Well first of all what is purgatory in accord with catechism?
Is it the final purification of the elect right?
Then why are you referring to this scripture when all it talks about was testing & judging one man's work. ? Ooo because the catechism has butcher this scripture to forcefully support its self proclaim purgatory doctrine.
Is purgatory for purification
Or
Is purgatory for testing and judging a man's work. ?
For me to go by the catechism it is the purification. Not the testing.
You see how you misquoted the scriptures because from the first place itself catechism forcefully used scriptures out of context just to try and support its doctrine.
When we clearly see the wrongs that the catechism has misquoted This scripture and has interpreted it out of context shows that purgatory is a false doctrine.
But if you think it is good for you, go ahead.
I’m part catholic! I don’t believe we can pay for our sins….Jesus did that completely!
There is no being " part" catholic. It isn't an ethnicity.
@@poorbanishedchildrenofEve I was catholic so it will always be a part of my life!
So you do not need to pick up your cross
"IT IS FINISHED." Jesus on the cross.
No. This is terrible mistake of Luther and other protestants. A terrible mistake. You have to work on Yourself an entire life to become a child of God. Therefore the judgment day Christ mentioned many times would have no sense. Do not deny teachings of Christ. He clearly mentioned everyone will be judged before Him.
*1 corinthians 3:13-15*
each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, *yet so as through fire.*
@@Eriadelso Jesus was wrong?
@@dondgc2298depends upon what “it” refers to. You would have to ask the Lord what He meant by “it.”
@@Myheartwilltriumph if He didn’t mean the work of saving all who believe, then I won’t see Him to ask about it. Because nothing I do can earn me a place in heaven.
He does not believe in Purgatory and yet, he prays for the dead... Interesting.
Indeed. Interesting point though that I’ve heard made is that God, being supernatural, isn’t bound by the effects of linear time. Perfect example being Christ’s atonement, in that His sacrifice was efficacious for saints not merely in the present, but in the past and future as well. A supernatural moment that permeated all of time.
In the same way, (not to put prayer on the same level as Jesus’ sacrifice) if time is no longer linear when we die, I’d like to think it’s possible God could hear the past, present, and future prayers of the saints for someone who is currently sick, dying, or directly standing before God. Which if that were true, prayer for someone who has already passed could still be effectual. It’s one of the reasons I still pray for those who’ve died. You never know.
genuine question to those who believe in purgatory:
did the saints have to go through purgatory?
Edit: forgive me if this sounds like im trolling (i’m not) or unintelligent
@@xHollow.No. Saints would not be attached to any wordly things like for example drugs or alcohol or any other sins that belivers couldnt let go even if they love Jesus.
I belive in purgatory people learn how to let sins go and clearly it can be very painful.
I remeber in our church one drunk that was clinically dead
said that he was floating above his body and all he could think was if he will ever drink beer and wine again. Thats why he turned to Christ.
False teachers always lie
Typical Orthodox. They believe in it but not the Latin name.
I wake up into purgatory everyday, chasing the clock to make a little money to pay my ever increasing bills!!! Working a meaningless job in the grand scheme of things.
Welcome to the land of the living!
You are a stronger man than me sir. You will be rewarded in heaven.
You make a good point my friend.😊
We are most likely in hell and purgatory is just a spiritual realm that acts as a buffer. A layer in between the physical world and god. It's one big filtration/purification system. God is not only merciful but his plan his genius.
I hear ya about the hustle and bustle of life but people have much harsher problems. Some people pray for that to be their worst problem. Cheer up ❤ you seem like you have opportunity to change whatever situation you are in but remember...there is no physical solution to a spiritual problem. I've been to work & had bad days & had great days... what I've noticed is, that most of it comes down to my perspective and overall attitude. Look inward to fix your problems and the outside hell we live, doesn't stand a chance. Take care of your spirit as this is what god is interested the most. You will benefit from it as well, no matter what you are going through. Hope this helps buddy ✌
My sister has a special gifts she sees souls that are in purgatory and they ask her to please pray for them and have rosaries and masses said for them so they can see the light and get out of purgatory and be with God
"Respect the teachings of your church." What a respectful way to answer.
Respect but question Acts 17:11 .
There is a Scripture in the New Testament that says some will be saved but through fire. I will research the exact Scripture verse(s) and post again once I find it. God bless you.
That pertains to ‘works of faith’ to reach the salvation message to many and build the body (not the building) on the foundation of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:10-15) - nothing to do with purgatory which is not in the 66 Holy Spirit inspired books of the Holy Bible.
Through the fire of the Holy Spirit - to be baptized through the Holy Spirit and saved by Grace in Faith of Christ Alone and not of works.
@@thomaszachariah8595
It's saying about purgatory all the early Christians and church father's believed that. Stop ur heresy. It's talking about fire which is cleaning fire 🔥🔥
@@thesearethedays9398
Joker 🔥🤪
@@Baladin4th*1 corinthians 3:13-15*
each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, *yet so as through fire.*
It is when I offered my sufferring up for the souls in purgatory once my pain was immediately healed the souls in purgatory have helped me quite a few times its very real.
You’re out of your mind 😂
How??
If there's a purgatory, then Jesus died in vain. The blood of christ is enough to cleanse us from all our past, present, future sins.
But do you continue to sin? This is the issue. Our lives are one long pilgrimage of conversion to the end of out lives.
If you love God totally, love your neighbor aa yourself, carry the Cross Our Lord has chosen for you, you will bypass purgatory, this told me by priest in confession.
@@KathleenGuloywe will still continue to sin because we are in the flesh!
In Matt5:26, Christ, in condemning sin, speaks of liberation only after expiation. "Thou shalt not go out from thence till thou repay the last farthing." In Matt. 12:32, He speaks of sin which "shall not be forgiven either in this world or in the world to come." Any remission of the effects of sin in the next world can refer only to purgatory. Above all St. Paul tells us that the day of judgment will try each man's work. That day is after death, when the soul goes to meet its God. What is the result of that judgment? If a man's work will not stand the test St. Paul says that "he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire." 1 Cor3:15. This cannot refer to eternal loss in hell, for no one is saved there. Nor can it refer to heaven, for there is no suffering in heaven. Purgatory alone can explain this text As a matter of fact, all Christians believed in purgatory until the Reformation, when the reformers began their rejection of Christian doctrines at will. Prayer for the dead was ever the prevailing custom, in accordance with the recommendation of the Bible itself. "It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from their sins." 2 Maccabees 12:46. Prayer for the dead supposes a soul not in heaven where it does not need the help of prayer, nor in hell where prayer cannot assist it. Some intermediate state of purification and need, where prayer can help, is necessary. And the doctrine is most reasonable. "Nothing defiled shall enter heaven." Rev21:27. Yet not all defilement should cost man the loss of his soul. Even in this life human justice does not inflict capital punishment for every crime. Small offenses are punished by fines or by temporary imprisonment, after which the delinquent is liberated. Those who deny purgatory teach the harder and more unreasonable doctrine.
@@loveisaiah622 excellent post…so much depth in our faith.
@@KathleenGuloy - Praise God the Catholic Church which Christ established himself is like a lion in the cage, let it loose and it will defend itself. Pax Christi
Whatever! I'm still proud to be a Roman Catholic 💯
You should be proud of being a follower of Jesus Christ, insted! 😩
@@wendyjimenez4882 👍🏻
The Catholic Church teaches that purgatory is a state of the soul, not exactly a place, but it can happen somewhere, it can be here on earth or when you die, to purify yourself before entering heaven, because nothing impure can enter there, and there are many indications about this in the Bible. Psalm 66:12, Isaiah 4:4, Micah 7:9, Malachi 3:3, Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:26, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15, Revelation 21:27.
Pope Benedict XVI said "Purgatory is like a purifying fire burning inside a person, a painful experience of regret for one's sins".
Thank you. Reception of the Eucharist draws deeply into Christ that illuminates Catholic Orthodox belief and practice.
Without experience of the Divine Mysteries in the sacraments, those who are of Sola Scriptura beliefs cannot understand no matter how many Scriptural passages you provide the,.
Bishop Mar Mari speaks with great faith and simplicity within the larger apostolic church. I am not clear about his jurisdiction. I had impression he could have articulated better as some eastern Orthodox have done while they do not name purgstory.
Be aware of the unclean spirits teaching against Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins can be purged only through Lord Jesus Christ's blood, but not of the purgatory place, hell.
very well said
purgatory is a state of the soul, not exactly a place, but it can happen somewhere, it can be here on earth or when you die, to purify yourself before entering heaven, because nothing impure can enter there,
Now look at what you and assuming the CCC 1031 is accurate
when you die, to purify yourself before entering heaven, because nothing impure can enter there,
So in this sentence is the biggest lie possible for any belief in purgatory
There is not one verse anywhere in 73 books of the bible that says You the individual can clean up your sins or your feelings or cleanse your soul in any way !
It is Jesus who has atoned for all of our sins ,
It is Jesus who has died for All of our sins
and if we do sin It is Jesus who maintains our righteousness before God. 1 John 2:1,2 1 John 1:9 Titus 3:5
There is nothing we can do to make ourselves clean when it is Jesus who has cleaned us up already as believers 1 Cor 6:11 We are sanctified , washed , and justified through Christ, never through us.
All the Orthodox christian church fathers believed in purgatory 🔥🔥
The Acts of Paul and Thecla
(AD 160)
Abercius (AD 190)
The Martyrdom of perfetua and felicity 2:3-4 (AD 202)
Tertullian (the crown 3:3 (AD 211)
Cyril of Jerusalem(Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9 (AD 350)
Gregory of Nyssa (Sermon on the Dead (AD 382)
John Chrysostom (homilies on 1st corinthians 41:5 (AD 392)
Augustine (sermon 159:1 (AD 411)
(The city of God 21:13(AD 419)
Beautiful summary. Why this one bishop do not believe then ? Should he speak about this matter without such knowledge you have presented here ?
if you are a Christian you have to believe the God is the most Holy. Therefore you have to be holy enough to stand before Him face to face. Many saints like father Pio, they had stigmata to purge them and the world with great suffering. If you're not purged enough you will be purged after death, as the God is the Most Holy and He is just. This means everyone before Him have to be clean and holy.
@@Eriadel
The orthodox are first protestents who divorced true church. God bring them curse for their pride and schism against catholic church. Islam and communism totally destroyed them. They lost all the chair of apostles
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@@Eriadel
Don't worry about them dear. Be strong in ur catholic faith. Ur immovable rock
Distroy the heretics with ur knowledge.
Watch Vatican catholic channel in UA-cam.orthodoxy is not a Christianity it's a poletheist religion
@@Eriadel
Father mar Mari imanuel is a heretic who followed oriental nestorian heretic sect condemned by orthodox and catholic councils
The orthodox father's were teaching about praying for the souls of the dead that are tormenting in hades to find some comfort or mercy from the lord, not about a special place called purgatory..
Christ 's work on the cross in enough, you don't need purgatory to redeem yourself.
Remember the two thieves on the cross one of them repented and asks Jesus for mercy & Jesus replied “today you will be with me in paradise” Luke 23:43. It is very clear to me not to believe in purgatory. The Holy Spirit will always guide you to the truth!! 🙏🏻
Paradise is not Heaven. It is Abode of Abraham until Jesus opened the door of Heaven. Understand the parable of Lazarus and Richman.
And he don't says that to you and me maybe we will not have the same way?
In heaven 0 sin
When we die we will have 0 sin?
If yes so why there is a judgement for all of us?
@@alexisrodrigues4767 You are right. If Jesus promised heaven that day to the thief, then he would not have told Mary Magdalene, after the resurrection, not to touch him because He had not yet gone to the Father (jn 20:17).
Yeah, with that logic there is also no need for baptism. No God is outside time, so is heaven. which means you can still spend time in purgatory and still be in heaven today.
Amen. Be aware of the unclean spirits teaching against Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins can be purged only through Lord Jesus Christ's blood, but not of the purgatory place, hell.
A lot of people don’t understand what purgatory is. If you really read about it from Catholic sources only and learn what the church really teaches on it, it’s extremely fascinating. I have a special devotion to the souls in purgatory. It makes me sad that so many disregard and won’t take the time to investigate.
In a nutshell, yes, Christ died for our sins! But you still deserve a punishment for your sins.
It’s like this. Say you’re playing baseball right outside of Jesus’ house. You send a baseball through his window and break it. He comes out and you are so sorry for what you’ve done. He forgives you… but says you still have to fix this window. That’s purgatory. You are forgiven but you still have to fix your mistake. It’s a spiritual concept that we can’t grasp here but it is real and it’s good to take heed because you can fix the broken window while on earth by doing penance instead of sitting in purgatory which is a slower and more arduous way to do penance 👍🏻
So us Christian still have to pay the price for our sins?
Purgatory
*1 corinthians 3:13-15*
each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, *yet so as through fire.*
Be aware of the unclean spirits teaching against Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins can be purged only through Lord Jesus Christ's blood, but not of the purgatory place, hell.
That's not mentioning purgatory, it's talking about our works being burned up at the judgement seat of Christ!
Purgatory is a doctrine introduced in 1274. Stolen from the Quranic verse that says all will go to HELL, and only the God fearing will be rescued from hell.
I thank you Bishop Mur Muri for your honest opinion concerning purgatory
he used deceptive words and deceived you.
@@spod11 where is it mentioned in the Bible?
The holy Bible is the whole truth nothing added or taken away No Purgatory… period
Not really… the reality is that some of the books of the Bible was taken out…period
As much as you can show the fullness of the Trinity doctrine in the bible, the following verses will show purgatory in the bible as well.
2Sam 12:13-14, Mt 5:26, Mt 5:48, Mt 12:32, Mt 12:36, Heb 12:14, Jam 1:14-15, Jam 3:2, Rev 21:27, 1Jn 5:16-17, 1Cor 3:13-15, Phil 2:10, 2Pet 3:18-20, 2Pet 4:6, 2Tim 1:16-18, 1Cor 15:29-30. And if you are a KJV person you may want to check out 2Macc 12:44-46. You did know the original KJV did have this and the other books the Catholic bible has, yes?
Now of course here is where most will try to point out that the above verses are not to be translated the way Catholics are meaning for them to be translated, which is where we say, fine, then you should get your own book. After all, the Bible is a Catholic book.
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
if you are a Christian you have to believe the God is the most Holy. Therefore you have to be holy enough to stand before Him face to face. Many saints like father Pio, they had stigmata to purge them and the world with great suffering. If you're not purged enough you will be purged after death, as the God is the Most Holy and He is just. This means everyone before Him have to be clean and holy. If you truly understand who is the God decribed by Bible and how Holy He is you would believe this....
Heb 9:27: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"
Matthew 5 25
23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.
25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
Woefully taking things out of context. Purgatory is nowhere to be found in that passage.
Hebrews 10:4-14 completely contradicts the teaching of purgatory.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 What was the context of that teaching then? Was he explaining earthly things ?
@@hahol93
Yes earthly relationships with other people and the government. There is no mention of death or the afterlife in that passage.
”By this will, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time. Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time onward until His enemies are made a footstool for His feet. For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.“
Hebrews 10:10-14 NASB2020
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Right, because Jesus came to reveal the kingom of earth and the physical world..
@@hahol93
You woefully fail understand such a simple passages. You cannot provide any justification for purgatory in that passage. It's nowhere to be found.
It's all such a mystery. I was raised protestant, so much of my life I believed you either went to heaven or hell when you die and that there was no hope for you. When I first started changing over to Eastern orthodoxy, I began to learn that praying for the dead, and the positive effects that those prayers can have, was rooted in over 1500 years of Christianity and that rejection to the notion was a modern one. When I found out I could pray for the departed, I started writing down all the names I could think of. A month ago I added my beloved dad's name to that list and pray for him daily. Anyway, we can try to spend our lives knowing the unknowable, but at the end of the day, we must know that God loves us and that Christ made it possible for us to enter the kingdom of heaven.
TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY IS TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD!!.
As a Catholic, Purgatory is a place where we are spiritually refined and all that is darkness and shadow we were unable to overcome in life is burned away. After that our perfected form joins with others in heaven. No amount of evil or darkness is permitted to enter Heaven. It is a gift from God.
Well that sounds good but does it line up with what Christ has done for you? It does not. If the flesh was going to heaven then yes this purgation would be plausible , it is however never going to heaven . Jesus died for most of your sins is what purgatory claims whereas the scriptures indicate He died and atoned for ALL of your sins.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 You do realize we get our bodies back for heaven, right? It's in scripture.
@@robideals685 Our bodies are changed and no longer the same . ,it is in scripture.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 you’re incorrect. We will look very similar to what we do on earth. Either way we can’t take issues we have left unresolved in terms of desire to sin to heaven so purgatory is the process by which it is removed. Not everyone requires purgatory however. Why does the concept of no evil in heaven bother you? It is a gift.
@@robideals685 There is no evil in heaven because Jesus died for every sin you have done ,are doing ,and will do . There is no need of purgatory as your flesh will never inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
So your flesh and it's sins remain in the dirt as Jesus did not die to cleanse your flesh. Read Romans 7:and you will see what Paul tells you about sin for the believer and he tells you twice to make sure you understand!
We do not take issues with us to heaven, mor we do not look the same as we do atm
1 Cor 15:51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- 52 in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
No one goes to the fabricated lie called purgatory, no one prays a prayer to release a thousand souls from purgatory , no one who has not repented in life as they were living ,will be prayed into godliness as Judas declares in 2 Maccabee's 12:
While we live we make choices and those choices can have good results or consequences and that happens as we live . Heb 9:27 you die, you get judged , not you die, go to someplace to clean up all your sins and then into heaven. 1 Peter 2:24 Jesus atones for all of our sins , we do not atone for any. nor could we.
Its real, and it's here...on earth... God makes you go thru a "wilderness" to refine you, to purify and change you. Usually unpleasant, and lasts a while...
I believe this might be the truth.
I have often wondered if we re-incarnate on this place until our spirits understand.
*1 corinthians 3:13-15*
each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, *yet so as through fire.*
@@Moonless6491Excuse me, reincarnation is a common concept is Eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism, but it is not found in Christianity.
Be aware of the unclean spirits teaching against Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins can be purged only through Lord Jesus Christ's blood, but not of the purgatory place, hell.
It's real the Purgatory many Saints saw It.
You're right. The protestans have this problem, they completly ignore all the Saints and their spiritual life, visions, prophecies and connection to God. On the other hand they cannot recognize the diversion made by Luther, how wrong was his life and how false is their doctrine. They are so blind and wrong. We are the living church, means we all can experience God and His Miracles. Bible is a great compass, but it's not whole reality we face every day. If one is limited to the fact "everything is in Bible" - this is a false statement - everything is in God and the Bible is a guide, just a limited book. When you say "all is in the Bible" you place the holy Bible at the place of God. I as Catholic say - all is in God.
No purgatory not mentioned in the Bible .
@@ADC0901 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:26)
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire (πυρός).
Purgatory is no joke the fire that pierce through the soul is the same as hell
it is Cold not hot like in hell
@@marioloncar2169 it's more than 4000 degree there my guy
@@ethiopian9635 How do you know that? I'm Catholic, but purgatory is an abstract concept to me.
@@marioloncar2169 The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a “purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven,” which is experienced by those “who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified” (CCC 1030). It notes that “this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned” (CCC 1031).
The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.
@@marioloncar2169 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:26)
1 cor 3 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved-even though only as one escaping through the flames
I was responding people with that. You seem to be the only one here that remembered it
Read the context of 1 Cor 3:15 ? 1 Cor 3:10-15 tells you that sin is not in question at all , verse 15 points that out the individual enters heave devoid of any good works/rewards they would have had if they built upon the foundation of the church with acceptable works. No one gets burnt in a fire , no one suffers pain , they do suffer the loss of what they thought important.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 The verse teaches the exact doctrine of purgatory. God has forgiven their sins, but they acted wickedly, so they must be purified for salvation. It says that they suffer harm and this harm is the purgatory that purifies them. Their sins are already forgiven but they have to be holy and this lack of sanctification will happen.
I am catholic and there are a lot of Saints that explain that the purgatory is real and it's a gift of our Lord for atone for confessed sins. Even Saint Pio from Petralcina didn't go right away in Heaven but stayed in purgatory for three days. Don't worry my friends, Jesus give to us the possibility of atone our sins that we have confessed, after purgatory we'll deserve Heaven. Catholics and Ortodoxes can be brother even in this situation.
@@donxnik calm down my friend, when you are still alive you must repent and confess your sins. Remember that Jesus is infinite mercy but also infinite justice. If you don't repent of your sins and don't confess them in the moment of your death Jesus will judge you may end up in hell. Purgatory exists to purify us and then enter deserving into heaven.
@@donxnikyou have to repent and repair the consequences of sins of you don't repairs here you will in purgatory
No sins enter in heaven
When we die we still are sinner so we have to purify us then enter to heaven
@@AlexPortioli78 ~ Pio of Pietrelcina
He is venerated as a saint in the Catholic Church celebrated on September 23. ~>>A 2006 survey by the magazine Famiglia Cristiana found that more Italian Catholics pray to Padre Pio for intercession than to any other figure.
Very true.
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, if you are a believer. The last words before dying on the cross were, "It is finished". He meant that. He didn't say it was finished for some, but others have more penance to do. We are saved by grace, through faith- not by works in this life, nor by spending time in a halfway house. I am looking forward to being greeted b the open arms of Jesus when I pass.
Except St. Paul actually said:
“we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.“
2 Corinthians 5:8 KJV
The “rather” changes the implications of the text.
@nw5419: So, in the spirit of the content of the video, which seeks a direct quotation of purgatory, your "it is finished" could mean that Jesus' painful trip to earth as a man is done. And He can be God again.
THe phrase does not mean YOU are free to do anything as you please and espext to go to heaven. Well, you may have to go through Purgatory.
Purgatory in Scripture in the Bible
HEBREW CHAPT 12:14 and29
REVELATION CHAPT 21:27
1CORINTHIANS CHAPT3:13-15
1PETER CHAPT3:19-20
MATTHEW CHAPT5:25-26
MATTHEW CHAPT 12:32
LUKE CHAPT 23:43
2TIMOTHY CHAPT 1:18
Purgatory (Heaven Hospital)is the condition or process of purification or temporary punishment in which,it is believed the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for Heaven 🙏
Purgatory is a place where you are put to learn a lesson and figure out who you truly are, I've been there and it is terrifying...
Love you Mari, Now our/ my / Catholic Faith teaches that any attachments to Sin that one's soul has not conquered in this life, must be purged from us before being allowed to proceed to the beatific vision. In this both God’s will and ours say yes and amen....for without holiness no man shall see the Lord. What Purgatory is Not is a place of punishment. However we pray for the dead because sin seperates us from God, and Jesus said with the exception of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit, that sin can be forgiven not only in this life but also in the life to come. /Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. / 1 Corinthians 3:15 mean?
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
So true, so true. The Orthodox believe but the Protestants don’t consider this aspect to help them understand.
Purgatory kind of make no sense because if it exist, then it would defeat the whole point of Christ, dying for all of our sin that include the past present and future
The Bible makes it clear in the story of Lazarus that there is no way out of hell, no holding place called purgatory, only those alive can still be saved, and no one can come from the realm of dead to convince anyone to believe and be saved. It is work to be done now and by you.
You have a misunderstanding of purgatory brother, the Church teaches that anyone who goes to purgatory is ALREADY saved. No one who goes to h*ll goes to purgatory, anyone who goes to purgatory is going to heaven.
Purgatory is not necessarily a location, but a process by which your sanctification is completed.
God bless! ❤️
@@FisherOfMenParakletos The Church is wrong. That's the point. No Purgatory in that clear passage's view of the afterlife. No praying for the dead and no pentance to get you out of there! I know that you believe the Church continues to make new proclamations, but if they are clashing with scripture, can they all be right? Can the Church be right? Think on that. What if the current Pope clashes with previous Popes? Which one is wrong? Which one was fallible?
@@robertkauffman8137 there is no clash and popes are fallible sinful men just as Peter needed to be rebuked for his sin. God bless and happy Sunday ❤️
If you have a clash youd like to discuss id be happy to talk about it, please being scripture
@@FisherOfMenParakletos I replied to the video with scripture and you never answered it. Where is your scriptural rebuttal?
@@robertkauffman8137 I already answered. You are right that no one in h*ll can reach heaven. The church teaches that everyone going through purgatory WILL go to heaven, none of them will go to h*ll.
Its your misunderstanding
what a contrast to people who just condems purgatory, thinking that they know everything
I haven't fully studied the deuterocanonical books, but from my knowledge the realm of the dead (Sheol), was a resting place for all dead, divided by a place of punishment and peace. This is the death Jesus concurred, which made him the judge of the living and the dead. It seems entirely likely to me that this place is where the concept of "purgatory" emerged from. However, now that Jesus has concurred death and preached to those in Sheol, it's debatable where we go after death. It also seems like a churches interpretation of where we are at in the timeline of Revelation greatly affects their belief on this as well.
Ones you die that’s it ,you will wake up before the judgement seat and give account for your own sins only.
if you are a Christian you have to believe the God is the most Holy. Therefore you have to be holy enough to stand before Him face to face. Many saints like father Pio, they had stigmata to purge them and the world with great suffering. If you're not purged enough you will be purged after death, as the God is the Most Holy and He is just. This means everyone before Him have to be clean and holy.
and how he will judge you and purge Your sins when you're dead ? During our lives we suffer for many of our sins. Do you think you can avoid suffering on the other side ? God is just and He is the Judge!
Here are some scripture to help those understand that Christ abolished the waiting place and has full control of life and death. Ephesians 4:8; Revelation 1:18; Revelation 20: 1-3; Hebrews 2: 14-15. I could probably give more but these are some pretty good examples.
I beg to differ.
Purgatory and hades are not same.
Hades is separation from YHWH, even prophets resided in Hades.
Purgatory is different. It's for any believer who dies with an unrepentant sin. Say some may think slavery is good and exploited them worst. This is why it's necessary to search for God and ask for conviction.
The example of theif being with Jrsus in paradise was his confession infront of everyone. Bit many Christians couldn't even realise if they did right or wrong according to the era's social norms.
May they did 10 things right , repented for 85 things done wrong but couldn't fathom the 5 things they though right was actually wrong.😢
@@akankshae There is no purgatory.
This was made up by the Catholic Faith alone.
Same as when I was young the Catholic church stated babies who died without being baptised went to Limbo forever and could not go to heaven but also could not go to hell. Complete fantasy by the Catholic Church to control everyone.
God/Jesus want us to come to them because we love them not because we fear the alternative which is what most churches/religions preach.
God/Jesus preached LOVE not FEAR.
Yes, we must fear evil because we are sinners and can be easily led astray if we drop our guard but we must have love in our hearts not fear.
Remember we must choose God/Jesus using our own free will.
If you do something based on fear that is NOT free will.
Social norms have nothing to do with right/wrong.
God/Jesus have told us what is right and wrong and told us to be no part of this world meaning ignore social norms etc as they are of this world (controlled by Satan) not of Gods world.
If you have studied the bible you KNOW what is right/wrong as there are no grey areas where we must decide if it is good/bad.
It is clearly spelt out in the Bible as it is our reference point.
If you follow social norms that contradict the Bible you sin.
As Jesus said "Give Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar" but "Give to God what belongs to God". Any law on Earth is to be obeyed except where it contradicts Gods laws, same with lifestyle choices etc.
if you are a Christian you have to believe the God is the most Holy. Therefore you have to be holy enough to stand before Him face to face. Many saints like father Pio, they had stigmata to purge them and the world with great suffering. If you're not purged enough you will be purged after death, as the God is the Most Holy and He is just. This means everyone before Him have to be clean and holy.
The Old Testament people of God would not have called it “Purgatory,” but they did clearly believe that the sins of the dead could be atoned for by the living. This is a constitutive element of what Catholics call “Purgatory.”
My scripture, KJV, tells me if I am dead I am with Jesus. If I’m not dead I’m in the body.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15
3:11 For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid: which is Christ Jesus.
3:12 Now, if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble:
3:13 Every man's work shall be manifest. For the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire. And the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is.
3:14 If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
3:15 If any mans work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.
Compare this with 2nd Corinthians 5:1-10 We must all appear before the judgment seat of christ to receive what is due to us good or bad for what we did in the body .
@@decay-154 and one of those judgement is making penance through the fire
Be aware of the unclean spirits teaching against Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins can be purged only through Lord Jesus Christ's blood, but not of the purgatory place, hell.
I have encountered real souls pleading for prayers.
It is also in 2 Maccabees.
1 corinthians 3:15
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved-even though only as one escaping through the flames.
if you have to add books to the bible to support your beliefs, chances are those beliefs are not all that biblical
@initialPC If you have to delete books in the Bible to support your beliefs chances are those beliefs are not all that biblical
@@marshallcampbell125 kinda weird how catholics "always believed the deuterocanon true"... after the protestant reformation, strange
@@InitialPC The septuagint was always confirmed by the church. Go back to Hippo, Carthage and Rome.
If there is no purgatory then we all have no hope.
Do you not believe in the salvific work of Jesus Christ on the cross? There is the hope and the promise!
Jesus. Wow! You missed the whole point.
@@Joshuatree7746 Exactly, right! How is that even possible? The Catholics are a screwed up bunch.
Christ's work on the cross was enough - no more needed to be done! Nobody can add to Christ's work at Calvary!
Purgatory is man made!
Correct, purgatory is a blasphemous teaching
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a “purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven,” which is experienced by those “who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified” (CCC 1030). It notes that “this final purification of the elect . . . is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE PUNISHMENT OF THE DAMNED.” (CCC 1031).
As a Roman Catholic I believe in purgatory because Bible says nothing unclean can enter the kingdom of heaven.
biblically No one goes to heaven immediately after death , Paul the appostle clearly pointed out At Christs Return the Dead in Christ rise first and those who remain alive will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, all wait in the grave as it clearly states in the bible many times.
the catholic church used to charge people for them to pray dead relatives out of hell, NO ONE is in the Lake of fire right Now, First the great white throne judgment must come , and that only occurs after Jesus christs 1000 year rule On this Earth with his saints as written in revelations.
the Catholic church used charge people to pray their relatives out of purgatory, also they used to sell prayers on peices of paper, in rome where my relatives are from the catholic church sells idols for money, Ofcourse no church is wonderful or preaches the same message or has the exact same beliefs and much of what they teach cannot be found in the bible its s doctrine of men.
purgatory is not where sinners go after death, we all sleep (wait in our graves) waiting for His return, the bible calls it a sleep , many times.
The bible says Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation .
no church should be idolised only God and Jesus.
in all my years of reading and studying the bible daily its amazing what the bible truly teaches on various topics , its a bit of an eye opener, you soon realise almost all christianity is in opposition with God
Deuteronamy 18:11-12 or one who casts a spell, or medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For these things are detestable to the lord. I just don’t think he wants us to
That's why Jesus died on the cross so you can be forgiven if you believe what he did for you!
Here is one Bible verse why Catholic teaches purgatory. And the word purgatory is not found in Bible like example the word trinity is not found. And yes Christ died for us. But just cuz we believe in him doesn’t mean we are sinless.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15: “…each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day [judgment day] will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”
@@simonquesi2869 this verse is talking about believers at the judgement seat of Christ giving rewards on how well they served the Lord, it's not talking about purgatory!
All sin has to be purged from every soul to enter Heaven, and if, like most you don't go to Heaven you spend time in Purgatory to be cleansed of all venial sins. There are different levels too, and also it may take years before a soul is released. If there was no Purgatory, most would go straight to Hell.
True
Its a spiritual realm that acts as a buffer between the physical realm and god. It's like a filtration system and it clearly displays the mercy and genius of God. God will not allow any spirit to be reuinted, unless that spirit has been 100% purified. All of life is dependent on it. One can also make the case that reincarnation is a real "thing" and when god sends us back to the physical world, god is just sending us back to hell. That's where my beliefs are currently but I don't know everything because then that would make me, well..... GOD ❤
VERY WRONG
Yes, and it also explains gods true MERCY and genius PLAN. It's like a filtration system with its overall goal being to purify our souls 100% The reason why we must go through this process is quite simple to explain.....ALL OF LIFE IS DEPENDENT UPON IT. Its the nature of god. When we stop thinking so physical (selfish) and start thinking spiritually, much more will make sense. I love your comment bud. Keep preaching it. It helps people who struggle ♥
Your wisdom is astonishing. I would require such guidance and wisdom from this orthodox bishop my brother or sister. The God is the Most Holy and just. Therefore everyone who will stand before Him needs to be clean and purged. If suffering for our sins in this life is not enough then we need to be purged if we will find worthy to be purged and therefore stand with God face to face, the most Holy clean and just. That's indeed the mercy and genious plan of God.
First of all, the God is the most Holy and we before stand face to face with God have to be Holy too. This requires us to be clean and saint. The problem this bishop has - he disregards all Christian tradition and saints who have experienced the purgatory. I'm not a saint myself, but once I had a dream where many hours I was wandering around hills looking for the way out with other people, then we saw some people like trapped in the swamps I realized they were dead. At the end of the dream we were in the small church where there was a mass for the dead. And then, at the end of the dream I heard a terrible moan of suffering, like a woman's, but the moans were out of this world. They weren't terrible for me, but they evoked a lot of sympathy. Since then, I have been trying to pray small part of rosary for the souls of the departed every day. Don't reject the Christian tradition like Protestants. Revelation is in the Bible, in Christ, but also in the lives of saints. The Bible itself is not the whole of revelation and does not reveal all the reality that is hidden from us.
Keep on dreaming
If we die in mortal sin, we chose to be separated from God. He honors our choices for eternity. There’s no hope left.
If we die in Venial sin, we have to be purged of it to enter Heaven, as nothing impure can enter. Purgatory is a complete cleansing of our souls on the way to Heaven. We’re to pray for the souls in Purgatory to receive comfort & be released from their sins.
1 Cor 3:15, Mt5:25-26, 1 Pet 3:18-20, 1 Jn 5:16-17, Jn 19:11, Rev 21:27, 2 Macc 12:43-46
I think that when we die with small sins without knowing or when someone who has never heard of Jesus died, there should be a place after death, where the sins have to be cleansed. Because no one can enter Heaven with any sort of spiritual dirt.
Who are you to say what should be? Who are you to question what God has decided and laid out?
@@jgons*1 corinthians 3:13-15*
each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, *yet so as through fire.*
@@TheTruth2505 I was quoting scripture. They OP was saying they don’t like how God has done things. And no. That verse isn’t talking about purgatory. That is a Catholic heresy. It’s nowhere in the Bible.
@@TheTruth2505 that verse is talking about going through trials for spiritual growth while alive. It has nothing to do with after death.
@@jgonswhy does purgatory have to be explicitly found in Scripture? Where does the Bible teach all doctrines we must believe must explicitly be found in the Bible.
If not explicit then what about implicit? Someone already quoted 1Cor 3 for you.
Plus, no one disputes that (1) God can purify Christians of their desire for sin. (2) no one in heaven will desire sin. (3) Some (most?) Christians still desire sin at the moment of death. Therefore, some Christians will be purified of the desire for sin after death but before they enter heaven.
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Purgatory exists because of God's justice and mercy.
With due respect: I would like to ask a question. Where did Catholic Church teaches purgotory as a place ? Its a process not a place.
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one that has been laid; that foundation is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw- 13 the work of each builder will become visible, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each has done. 14 If what has been built on the foundation survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If the work is burned up, the builder will suffer loss; the builder will be saved, but only as through fire
Matthew 5:26 Truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.
The “prison” alluded to in verse 25 is purgatory, according to Tertullian, St. Cyprian, Origen, St. Ambrose and St. Jerome, while the “penny” represents the most minor sins that one commits.
I don't believe in it ,only believe in Jesus Christ and his resurrection, and saved me ,.From death he saved 3 times ,I have medical records to proof to this .🙏❤️thank you my savior .Viva Jesus in me forever !
There is writen in Bible
No sin will enter in heaven when we die we have sins
We must purify to enter to heaven
Lord said somes sin can be forgetten in the other world
@@dbzepicfr707 ~That’s what Jesus blood sacrifice was for, to forgive us of all our sins before we die and go to heaven. I have never heard of sins forgiven after we’re dead like you said, please show me that Bible verse? There’s nothing in the Bible about purification in the afterlife after we are dead. If you’re just going by common sense, it does not work that way, making things up.
@@royjohnson465
Lord said the sin against holy spirit will not be forgiven in this world and the other world
Adn purgatory it's not a second chance if you are in hell no comeback ever
Purgatory is for who are saved
Your sin are forgiven but the damage you made must be repairs lord is infinite justice too
And in heaven there is no sin
When we die we still have no repair the damage of sin and still have some sin so God's must purify us because no sin can enter in heaven I am not English sorry to explain more clearly to you but you should read the dogm catholic to purgatory
This is not a second chance this is for who are saved
Some people trust that but The church never said that it's a lie
@@royjohnson465*1 corinthians 3:13-15*
each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, *yet so as through fire.*
Be aware of the unclean spirits teaching against Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins can be purged only through Lord Jesus Christ's blood, but not of the purgatory place, hell.
Actually there are verses in the Bible suggesting there is purgatory.
We, the Greek orthodox, pray for the dead and make church services for their soul, called mnimosinon.. It's a very common and well known tradition.
Bless you my friend, I would like to become Orthodox. If I could stay Catholic, I maybe would consider doing so (including for the Purgatory teaching, especially for Adoration), but I just cannot. No one helps me there, we fight each other online, I really feel like there's so much hatred and division back there... I just wish I could be what I am, by their own teachings. You Orthodox really are humble before God, though, and it's awe-inspiring. It's more similar to the way I've always been. Please keep the faith and pray for people like me, that we may live our faith and become part of the True Church.
It is the same
Purgatory = purgation of the soul - no unclean thing can appear in the Lord's presence
@@davidblyth5495 It is Christ who washes you clean 1 Cor 6:11, and it is Christ who atones for all of our sins 1 Peter 2:24 . Purgatory is a cleverly fabricated lie that denies Christ's complete sacrifice on the cross . Coll 2:9-15 points out that Christ even nailed the punishment for our sins to the cross! Purgatory is found throughout the scriptures as long as it is not in context.
Praying for the dead is found in 2 Maccabee's 12: and there is no command or even a hint that you are to pray for the dead. Heb 9:27 points out that you are alive one day and dead the next and it is at that time judgement happens and that judgement is not going to give you time to clean up your life before heaven. Praying for the dead who were to make the decision to repent while they were alive will not do anything for them.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 false
Only according to your fallible interpretation of Scripture!
God is God of the living, not the dead according to Jesus
Your interpretation differs from the practices of the apostles, their successors and the early Church
Tradition sure, but not in the Bible and not true
If someone sinned all his life and in his last moments in his deathbed repented, does he have the same fate as a person who lived a holy and pure life till death? Do they both go to heaven? As a Catholic I see the logic in purgatory and what was mentioned in the book of Maccabees about praying for the dead.
Let's visit this scenario:
Person A is a strict Christian. Lives a near perfect sinless life by the Bible. Always do the right thing by God.
Person B is the opposite. Live a sinful life, never obey God's commandments, a total menace, rejects God.
Person A dies, and we can all assume he will go to Heaven.
Person B, before his final breath decides to repent and accept Jesus as his savior, then he dies.
Without the concept of purgatory person B, despite all his sins, will immediately go to Heaven too, as he repented just in time. Similar to the concept of Sola Fide.
Question: then why bother living a sinless life and do good, if one can enter God's Kingdom as long as one repents just before dying?
Anyone care to explain?
I don’t recall seeing anything in the Holy Bible about purgatory. You have one chance to be saved.
Do not be ignorant into thinking that Purgatory is some place you go to be saved the 2nd time or whatever…. Only SAVED SOULS go to Purgatory… why? Because the damage of their sins still need to be repaired so God is cleansing the soul… Purgatory is a Mercy of God so do not be fooled into thinking it is a made up concept!
@@erichvonmanstein2568but isn’t that what Jesus did on the cross? The Lamb of God sacrificed for the sins of the world? ALL of the sins of the world?
@@IdontKnow-jt2oz Reparations are another part which we need to do that is why it's not enough to just simply stop sinning... we also need to do reparations for the sins committed. Catechism of the Catholic Church explains it probably.
Be aware of the unclean spirits teaching against Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins can be purged only through Lord Jesus Christ's blood, but not of the purgatory place, hell.
Thank you God! Amen🙏
If purgatory is real, then the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross was not enough to cleanse us of sin. The wages of sin is death. That is our payment. The wages of disbelief is hell. So the idea of purgatory is blasphemous.
No, you just wake up on board the Nebuchadnezzar, pull the lead out the back of your head and go and have a coffee.
Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, saved you from fire of hell.....but you should be purified completely before entering heaven, purgatory is for the purification of the already saved soul
@Goodboy-sq4ot where in the Bible does it say we should be purified in purgatory before entering Heaven?
@@metalfreak4791Read Luke 12:41-48 and ponder on the three forms of rewards by the master deeply especially the servant who is not appointed to the portion with the unbelievers but “shall be beaten with many stripes”.
Also in Rev 3:18 “So I advise you to buy gold from me-gold that has been purified by fire. Then you will be rich. Also buy white garments from me so you will not be shamed by your nakedness,…”. This was the opportunity given to the church that was alive, so what is the purification opportunity given to the dead in Christ who have some spots in their garments but definitely don’t belong to hell? And remember it said many times in the Psalms and other places in the Bible that God will judge the people with equity.
Purgatory is one proof when it is said “His mercy endures forever”. What is the limit of “forever”?
@@metalfreak4791
It is written that 0 sin will be enter i' heaven the question is
We will have 0 sins when we will die?
If yes so why there is a judgement?
Apostle Paul said:
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
God wants us to be with Him forever.
He created us and He loves us so much.
That is why there is a purgatory. We are cleansed and purified before God.
In purgatory, there is hope. It is a God's mercy for us.
Hell is eternal suffering.
Let us all repent. God is so good.
God wants us all in His Kingdom.
Luke 12-13
1 Corinthians 3:15 describes Purgatory. Those who go to Purgatory are already saved, they’re just being purified because nothing unclean gets to heaven.
Exactly! if you are a Christian you have to believe the God is the most Holy. Therefore you have to be holy enough to stand before Him face to face. Many saints like father Pio, they had stigmata to purge them and the world with great suffering. If you're not purged enough you will be purged after death, as the God is the Most Holy and He is just. This means everyone before Him have to be clean and holy.
So you’re saying that the Quran verse that says everyone will go to hell, but only the God fearing will be taken out of hell, is true? If so, the Quran was written before the doctrine of purgatory was introduced fully in 1274.
@@slimero3039 Where did I say that?
@@crooning54 by saying purgatory is real, you’re saying the Quran tells the truth. It is called Al-Araf. Which was written centuries before the complete doctrine of Purgatory was introduced.
In fact, there’s a lot that the Catholic Church adopted from Islam. Including prayer beads, which were used by Islam before St. Dominic in 1214.
In fact, there seems to be a lot that the Roman’s adopted from other religions and traditions. It’s quite interesting.
@@slimero3039 I have no idea what Al-Araf is, the Catholic Church has been around since the 1st century, 1Corinthians eludes to purgatory so does 2 Maccabees which speaks about praying for the dead, as far as the Quran telling the “truth”, I have no idea, I know they deny the divinity of Christ and that’s not the truth. Purgatory prepares us for heaven, it’s not hell, those who are there are already saved.
Hebrews: 9:27 "It is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgement" there is no purgatory.
DITTO
Sins can be forgive in the other world says the lord
Then what is that?
@@dbzepicfr707 not sure which book your reading from.... I've read God's word front to back a few times and I've never come across that
@@israel4ever487 jésus said the blasphemy of holy spirit will not be forgiven in this world and the other world
The purgatory was many times mentioned in the Holy Bible: 2 Maccabees 12:46, 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-3:15 Hebrews 12:29, Revelation 21:27 Deuteronomy 4:24
That is not a good argument, plenty of things are not mentioned in the bible but were passed on in Tradition. Sola scriptura is not in the bible either, but was also never part of any tradition from the first christians.
he did not deny he only said there’s no evidence, and only catholics believe in it so🤷♂️
Absent from the body, present with the Lord!
Amen and hallelujah
Jesus Christ came to this world to save a living soul, i.e. those that are living and dead to sins, to be given an opportunity to have eternal life if that living person accepts the Lord Jesus as his personal savior and thus gets forgiveness of his Sin.
Be aware of the unclean spirits teaching against Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins can be purged only through Lord Jesus Christ's blood, but not of the purgatory place, hell.
As a Catholic, this is the means of purification in purgatory. The precious blood of Jesus. There is nothing else. Dying in a state of Grace/friendship with Jesus doesn't always mean we are perfectly detached and purified from sin at death.
Those in purgatory are saved from hell. It is the process of being prepared for the beatific vision as nothing impure can enter Heaven. (There is a Bible verse stating this, I encourage you to find it.) Our souls are eternal and so they must be purified perfectly. When this happens, then we can receive our perfected bodies in the resurrection. The blood of Jesus is the means of this purification in life and if needed, after death. Those who die outside of friendship with Jesus....do not go to Purgatory.
Take care!
@@poorbanishedchildrenofEve Purgatory people think that GOD does not know anything about one's death(as they imply an accident is unknown to GOD) and that is the reason they are speaking about purgatory and through that implying GOD's mercy. But they are actually nullifying GOD's mercy with their intelligence without holding to the Truth/word of GOD. Hebrews chapter 10, verses ten to fourteen: We have been consecrated through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Every priest stands daily at his ministry, offering frequently those same sacrifices that can never take away sins. For by one offering Jesus has made perfect forever those who are being consecrated.
If it is NOT in the Bible, & I have not seen it anywhere mentioned, it's false. Plain & simple. No such thing. A scam.
True, he's not hard enough on the Catholic church.
Leave your church if they teach things that are false.
@@ReadTheBible001sorry bud, I'm Catholic and I won't leave the Catholic Church. Screw him.
Easter not in the Bible
Luke 12:42-48. Of which verses 43-44 is for Heaven, 45-46 is for hell and 47-48 is for Purgatory.
And Trinity is not Bible, does that mean it does not exist?
Unless you reach sainthood by the time you die, you best hope purgatory is real!
Nothing imperfect can enter heaven. Are you perfeft?
That’s what Jesus blood sacrifice was for, to forgive us of all our sins before we die and go to heaven. I have never heard of sins forgiven after we’re dead like you said, please show me that Bible verse? There’s nothing in the Bible about purification in the afterlife after we are dead. If you’re just going by common sense, it does not work that way, making things up.
Everybody to claim it be the disciple of the Lord should be not afraid to speak the truth about what the Lord teach us about hell and heaven
If there is only heaven and hell after life, all of us will go the hell because only no sin can go to heavern . Thats why there is a purgatory to purify you
Jesus death on the cross cleanses your sins, not purgatory!
@@MrNoob-3574z ok. It means you are now sinless . You are perfect. Congrats
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Where in the Bible does it mention praying for the dead might I ask?
It's in the apocrypha. 2 Maccabees 12:46
As much as you can show the fullness of the Trinity doctrine in the bible, the following verses will show purgatory in the bible as well.
2Sam 12:13-14, Mt 5:26, Mt 5:48, Mt 12:32, Mt 12:36, Heb 12:14, Jam 1:14-15, Jam 3:2, Rev 21:27, 1Jn 5:16-17, 1Cor 3:13-15, Phil 2:10, 2Pet 3:18-20, 2Pet 4:6, 2Tim 1:16-18, 1Cor 15:29-30. And if you are a KJV person you may want to check out 2Macc 12:44-46.
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@@srich7503you need to learn to read the Bible in context instead of cherry picking words that sound like they might support your belief.
@@jgons and which non-Catholics out there is it that dont “cherry pick” the Bible properly? Is it the ones that believe infant baptism is salvific or the ones that do not? Or full immersion or not? Is it the Liberal Evangelical version or the Conservative Evangelical version? Could it be a Calvinist or Armenian or Reformed or the Anglican viewpoint, Dispensationalism, Antinomianism? Those that believe in woman ordinations or same sex marriages? Lord’s supper symbolic or sacramental? The once saved always always saved group or the not? Should women keep silent in church or speak and is this with or without their heads covered? Maybe Mormons, JWs, SDA’s, Christadelphians, or the Oneness Pentecostals position as they too preach from the same bible also??? Surely you cannot think all these positions are acceptable. If not then which one is correct and why do you get to be the one to choose? Is yours the infallible one? If not then who really cares?
Dear Bishop Mar Mari I really admire your zeal and witness for our Lord Jesus Christ but on this topic I believe that the Catholic doctrine on Purgatory is the correct one. Purgatory is implied in Holy Scripture, just as the Holy Trinity is implied and not directly stated in Holy Scripture. Please check out - 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-3:15 and Hebrews 12:29 as support for prayer for purgatorial souls who are believed to be within an active interim state for the dead undergoing purifying flames. The Jewish faith also prays for the dead, if the destination choice for souls was only Heaven or Hell then there is no point in praying for the dead. It makes sense that such a place exists. Scripture states that nothing impure can enter heaven. It also states that a just man sins 7 times a day. Purification is needed to remove the stains of attachments that we have not relinquished before we died. There have been many mystics and saints over the last millennia who have been shown Heaven, Hell and Purgatory and reported on these three places. There are many books based on saints who have witnessed purgatory. Purgatory is not fiction but a real place of purification. I think it was Our Lady at Fatima who stated that the largest number of souls at death go initially to Purgatory, the next biggest number go to Hell and but a small number of souls go directly to heaven. It certainly is worth thinking about.
Roman Catholic Christians who believe in purgatory interpret passages such as 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-3:15 and Hebrews 12:29 as support for prayer for purgatorial souls who are believed to be within an active interim state for the dead undergoing purifying flames (which could be interpreted as an analogy or allegory) after death until purification allows admittance into heaven.
The Orthodox certainly believe that our Lord is faithful and just to cleanse us [purge] us from sin through the process of our our conversion and sanctification . Purgation or Purgatory is a state of being and a lot of people are in it while they are in their mortal body upon earth. The question is raised for those who have died with their process of purgation incomplete. We are to be perfect as our Father in Heaven in perfect. For most of us, much is left to be desired along these lines. No one wants to believe that their prayers for our Lord's mercy are unavailing. The Bible calls this 'washing in the blood of the Lamb'. Those who St John the Revelator sees in Heaven have 'washed in the blood of the Lamb'.
When u realize, that the dead don't go right now in heaven or hell but in hades waiting for the judgment, u will understand why the prayers of the living for them have meaning and offer great help to them until the day of judgment.
Wrong
This is a Muslim belief. That all will go to hell, and only the God fearing will be released from hell.
If the fate of the dead is sealed after death, what then is the essence of praying for the dead?!
Nothing impure will see God....and all have sinned...at death, we all have sins yet to be forgiven, no matter how little the sin.
I believe where the problem comes from is the perception of Purgatory....many see it as a "place" but it's actually a "process"....the act of purifying the saints who have died with the mark of faith in Jesus Christ!
It is in life that the soul is purified and your spirit is born again NOTHING ABOUT PULGATORY IS PURE TALE OF MEN WHO TWIST THE SCRIPTURES
The process is here on earth before you die..😂😂
The word process is the key for anyone who wants to support the purgatory.. In orthodoxy, we pray for the souls of the dead, to find comfort or mercy in hades where they rest, until judgment.
@@mikcurius3779 mercy and comfort in hades ?? waste of prayer
@@stevostevozz1168 it doesn't harm anyway
It is not in the Bible, and we are back to earning our way to salvation if we believe in Purgatory
As much as you can show the fullness of the Trinity doctrine in the bible, the following verses will show purgatory in the bible as well.
2Sam 12:13-14, Mt 5:26, Mt 5:48, Mt 12:32, Mt 12:36, Heb 12:14, Jam 1:14-15, Jam 3:2, Rev 21:27, 1Jn 5:16-17, 1Cor 3:13-15, Phil 2:10, 2Pet 3:18-20, 2Pet 4:6, 2Tim 1:16-18, 1Cor 15:29-30. And if you are a KJV person you may want to check out 2Macc 12:44-46. You did know the original KJV did have this and the other books the Catholic bible has, yes?
Now of course here is where most will try to point out that the above verses are not to be translated the way Catholics are meaning for them to be translated, which is where we say, fine, then you should get your own book. After all, the Bible is a Catholic book.
Historical facts just for you…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503 You are correct that I do not agree with the interpretation of those verses. I'm aware of the history. I just disagree with the interpretation of those verses and, simply put, believe salvation is a gift. I do not believe good works will earn salvation, although I do believe they are a natural outworking of a life surrendered to Jesus. If a person does nothing in obedience to God, does he have faith and truly believe? Probably not.
@@mlsteven394 we do not believe good works will earn salvation either. Never said they do. 🤷🏽♂️ But if one fails to do certain works God has in store for him, like say, copying the scriptures by hand over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, then im thinking their salvation might be in jeopardy, right? Im mean if those hadnt dont that good work then how on earth would YOU have been saved, right?
@@srich7503 Yes. A person who loves God will have a life that reflects that. If those early Christians really loved the Lord and believed in Him, they would have copied the scripture because they loved Him and wanted to serve Him. Copying the scripture did not earn salvation. Had they done it to be righteous or good, it would have been a dead work. God, in His mercy, called them and they accepted His gift of salvation. The works that followed were because of their changed hearts. Perhaps we agree on this?
@@mlsteven394 but had they not done it? Then what would their salvation been? Would that have “lost” their salvation? What then would have become of your salvation without those writings???
Yes it's real, sir. Read the Diary of Saint Faustina and many other Catholic Saints.
Micah 7:9 I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance. (cf. Leviticus 26:41, 43; Job 40:4-5; Lamentations 3:39)
St. Jerome considered this verse a clear proof of purgatory.
The Bible does not teach it, therefore it does not exist. The Bible teaches absent from the body present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8.
Bishop Mar Mari, you are a very good preacher, and I like what I hear from you. However, regarding purgatory I believe that purgatory makes a lot of sense, and it must exist. It is true that Jesus died for our sins so we can enter heaven, but he also quoted: "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." we have 10 commandments we have to abide with, and even the most serious sinner can still enter heaven if he/she accepts Jesus just before dying, asks for forgiveness, and feels the guilt of his/her sins. But the 10 commandments would not have any weight if there is no purgatory because there is clearly a difference between someone who tried very hard to obey God, even though there is no human who is perfect than the father, and in comparison, to someone else who was a serial killer, but last minute he regretted his sins and accepted Jesus.
Matthew 3:11, John quoted: "I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me will come One more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire".
Thus, purgatory is our baptism with fire to cleanse our souls from any stain caused by sin before entering heaven.
It is true that the bible has no clear and straight discussion about purgatory, but many saints like Saint Faustina, Padre Pio, Saint Veronica Guiliani, and others were shown the purgatory so they can pass the message to the Faithfuls. Also, in Fatima's apparition our blessed mother Virgin Mary showed the purgatory to the 3 little shepherds, and on May 13, 1917, during the first apparition to the three shepherd children, the eldest visionary, Lucia dos Santos, asked the Blessed Mother about two of her friends who had died. The Lady responded that one was in Heaven, but the other, Amelia, would be in Purgatory until the end of the world. What the Blessed Mother said about Amelia means that she will enter heaven after the second coming of Jesus, and after all souls get their last and final judgement.
From the Saints vision of purgatory, the time spent and the suffering in purgatory is different for every soul depending on the souls' grace when it died, and the type of sins they committed against God.
The bible does teach it! Catholics wont teach it out of thin air. For it to be taught it must be in scriptures as well as in tradition.
@@emmanuellorenzodiaz55 It is actually talked about it in the bible. Check Father Chris Alar talk about purgatory, and he will tell you where to find it in the bible. Anyway, besides the bible Jesus himself has given visions to many Saints and reputable holy people about the purgatory. Also if purgatory does not exist, then you should be perfect to enter heaven by the time we die, but nobody on Earth is perfect other than God himself because Jesus told us in the bible says nothing unclean will enter heaven, and then he added that we have to become like children in souls in order for us to enter heaven. Jesus died on the cross to save us so we will be eligible to enter heaven, but that does not eliminate the reparation that we have to pay for our sins. Yet, the reparations done here on Earth while alive will also be taken into account. The reasons why Saints go straight to heaven and skip purgatory because they have many reparations done here on Earth which satisfies Lord's justice so they can enter heaven skipping purgatory. Very few people will skip purgatory, and the extreme vast majority of believers in Jesus Christ have to go through purgatory first. Humans baptize others using water, God baptizes us through fire. So purgatory is our baptism so we can become perfect like our God who is perfect before we enter heaven.
if you are a Christian you have to believe the God is the most Holy. Therefore you have to be holy enough to stand before Him face to face. Many saints like father Pio, they had stigmata to purge them and the world with great suffering. If you're not purged enough you will be purged after death, as the God is the Most Holy and He is just. This means everyone before Him have to be clean and holy.
@@Eriadel*1 corinthians 3:13-15*
each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, *yet so as through fire.*
NO SUCH THING