Glad you caught the size difference! & you are correct about drilling or reaming the adapter out, the more metal would take out; could compromise the integrity of the metal! My advise would be to contact the suppressor company & see if they have an appropriate adapter, if not contact a local machine shop & see if they could custom build an adapter. I have experience as an electrician, plumber, welder and a retired firefighter- E.M.T. and fire & explosion investigator; so I may not be the smartest guy in the world, but I am glad that you didn't try to shoot the rifle without checking your equipment first! That is a sign of well trained shooter & gun enthusiasts! Keep up the great work & videos!!!
Take the can to a machine shop and have them make a new end cap with the 18m internal thread and the external to fit the can. Cost will be minimal and it will be right and much stronger in the event that you accidently knock it out of the tree stand. DOO DOO HAPENS.
Good catch!!! It pays to double check your gear. I was impressed with the gun smith who built a muzzle brake for me on my 7mag. When he measured it for me when I picked it up. I had no issues squeezing the trigger for the first time. So glad you checked it out first . And you are Ok.! Cheers
That was a good catch to what would have been a good mess. You would think firearm companies could keep a standard thread for each calibre range to make it safer.
That would actually require a lathe. I've made adapters before in mine. If you find someone to make it, make sure they use the right material, too. Brass and aluminum adapters can stretch when used, causing misalignment between your bore and can. That can cause a baffle strike. Stainless steel is best, but is much harder to machine. Any questions, just ask.
I'm not really into cans,but considering that the the diameter of the bullet is .429-.430,I would think that you would want an inside diameter of NO LESS than .430. Good catch,it always pays to double check.Keep up the good work.
Adam, call Gavintoobe and have him turn you an end cap on his lathe for your can. That intermediate adapter is a mickey mouse bad idea. You might have to send him one of your end caps off the can and the muzzle brake with it's metric thread so he can match the thread on the can and the thread on the barrel. The less threaded joints you have on your rig, the less possibility of one of them getting loose and there goes accuracy (missed deer), screwed up can ($$$) or muzzle or worse like what could have happened with swaging an angry .429 bullet down to .396!
Good catch. Since it screws into the suppressor, it's supported and enforced by the suppressor, so I would think it would be safe to drill it out to .450. The wall SHOULD be thick enough to hold up just fine. But that's only me thinking. Don't do it just because I think it'll work. Sometimes my thinker doesn't work quite right, or at least that's what I've been told. Thanks for the heads up.
Buy the smallest thread adapter for that can and have a reputable smith cut and thread it for M18. Less chance of tolerance stacking and alignment issues than using an additional thread adapter…not to mention the Elmer Fudd potential.
As others have stated the 444 is the same diameter as the 44magnum. In fact, there was a lot of issues that if you use the pistol bullets that they were too lightly constructed.
Good thing you were paying attention!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲 Revelation 1:8 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Silencerco or Silencershop should have a cap with that thread pitch. It might be a tad pricey, but you only need 1 & it's much cheaper than buying a new rifle, and much more common than buying a new hand or eye to replace the ones destroyed in the explosion. It pays to be extra careful and to double check your equipment before sending rounds through it. Glad to hear you spotted the issue before a disaster occurred. Be blessed, brother.
In the excitement of a new gun it's easy to miss really important things. Good catch. Utlimately you'd have certainly destroyed the muzzle device, and probably the barrel as it would have extruded the boolat through the hole. The back pressure would have been ungodly.
You've always got to be careful when swapping cans to new and different applications. I would be leery of using an adaptor, but would much rather see you get the properly threaded component for your suppressor. Even better would be to go to a good gunsmith or machine shop and have your barrel rethreaded to a more standard 5/8-24 or 11/16-24. Im glad you caught it when you did and that you made this video to help enlighten others to the potential hazard.
I had a choice to either buy a 22 semi-automatic or a 50 cal single shot CVA and I chose the CBA and I remember many years ago I made a comment why don't you make some muzzleloading content and you actually ended up doing it a couple years later or I'm not sure of the dates but I love this channel and I love the people behind it 1:09
Good video. Really good information to let people know to make sure and throughly check all of your equipment before you use it. At first, I thought it might be sized for something like an AK, but I'm not sure that the inside diameter is big enough for that either. I am also glad that you caught it before something bad happened.
Yup The 444 uses a .429 bullet same as the 44 Spl and Magnum NO DONT USE A DRILL PRESS!! Threads need be concentric with bore unless its well oversized. Making it well oversized may make it too weak/ thin.
That's why the 444 has the big thread... to leave enough metal. Any friend with a lathe could turn it out for you, but the wall would be pretty thin and could break if you subjected it to any large side forces.... If you had fired that rifle with the adapter on, it couldhave got "interesting. Keep safe buddy... 🙂
Well ya answered your question as to why they didn't thread it 5/8-24. There isn't enough metal to thread it that small and it be safe. Those step down adapters are just a bad idea anyways..
I know Who T knows what he is doing but I do not understand why he measured the inside diameter with the outside of the caliper jaws. Please explain. Thanks.
I'm sure you have a machine shop locally that could safely drill the adapter out to a safe clearance since those threads are ultimately supported by the can
Most jacketed bullets are .429 or .430 for the 444 and 44 mag. If you ever want to try a cast bulet and get good accuracy you may need a bullet of .432 or even larger to work well. Your can adapter needs a hole about .002 or larger than bullet diameter to give clearance for the bullet. More wont hurt.
Good video, I had the same issue with the CVA Scout Pistol chambered in 44 Magnum. I purchased a muzzle brake with the same thread pattern, attached it to the barrel and prepared to go to the range. However I started looking at the brake and got an uneasy feeling about diameter of the neck of the brake. Did a quick fit check with a 44 Magnum round and sure enough it was too large for the muzzle break. Avoided a real disaster...
It's not the manufacturer fault they made a adapter that was safe. Exactly why cva didn't thread the barrel 5/8-24 it wouldn't leave enough thickness and be safe!!
Huge fan of the scout n still looking for one in 35W but the small thread on the end of that barrel is just plain stupid. They know peoples are going to suppress them and am sure they make cheap muzzle brakes to put on there with a larger thread diameter. Just crappy engineering in my book using whatever they have laying around the shop. They do shoot damn well though!!
Just an FYI, a jacketed 444 like a 44 is a .429. Really glad you didn't have a major problem.
Yeah good call, he measured the bullet on the canalure
Praise God you checked. Definitely a profession where you need to double & triple check for safety.
Glad you caught the size difference! & you are correct about drilling or reaming the adapter out, the more metal would take out; could compromise the integrity of the metal! My advise would be to contact the suppressor company & see if they have an appropriate adapter, if not contact a local machine shop & see if they could custom build an adapter. I have experience as an electrician, plumber, welder and a retired firefighter- E.M.T. and fire & explosion investigator; so I may not be the smartest guy in the world, but I am glad that you didn't try to shoot the rifle without checking your equipment first! That is a sign of well trained shooter & gun enthusiasts! Keep up the great work & videos!!!
Good catch Jethro
That would've been catastrophic! Uggh! Thank God you checked that. Whew!
With cans becoming the norm, I get the feeling we will be hearing more on the subject. Tanks
Take the can to a machine shop and have them make a new end cap with the 18m internal thread and the external to fit the can. Cost will be minimal and it will be right and much stronger in the event that you accidently knock it out of the tree stand. DOO DOO HAPENS.
Hallelujah ! That could have been just abit uncomfortable. Very very happy it wasn't...
CVA needs to address this. Crazy threads.
Good catch!!!
It pays to double check your gear.
I was impressed with the gun smith who built a muzzle brake for me on my 7mag.
When he measured it for me when I picked it up.
I had no issues squeezing the trigger for the first time.
So glad you checked it out first .
And you are Ok.!
Cheers
The lord was watching out for you on this one. Good catch!
Really glad you caught that , that could hv gotten dangerous!
Im glad you caught that my brother. God was watching out for you!!! Keep up the great content.
That was a good catch to what would have been a good mess.
You would think firearm companies could keep a standard thread for each calibre range to make it safer.
Glad you checked someone else's work before a serious accident occurred!👍
That would actually require a lathe. I've made adapters before in mine.
If you find someone to make it, make sure they use the right material, too. Brass and aluminum adapters can stretch when used, causing misalignment between your bore and can. That can cause a baffle strike.
Stainless steel is best, but is much harder to machine.
Any questions, just ask.
I'm not really into cans,but considering that the the diameter of the bullet is .429-.430,I would think that you would want an inside diameter of NO LESS than .430. Good catch,it always pays to double check.Keep up the good work.
Adam, call Gavintoobe and have him turn you an end cap on his lathe for your can. That intermediate adapter is a mickey mouse bad idea. You might have to send him one of your end caps off the can and the muzzle brake with it's metric thread so he can match the thread on the can and the thread on the barrel.
The less threaded joints you have on your rig, the less possibility of one of them getting loose and there goes accuracy (missed deer), screwed up can ($$$) or muzzle or worse like what could have happened with swaging an angry .429 bullet down to .396!
God was definitely with you my friend always with reloading and anything else to deal with bing bangs check and recheck good eye pays to be safe
Good catch, Adam. That might have gotten ugly.
So glad you checked!! You might have had to stick your thumb in your neck!! Glad you’re safe!!
I'm certainly glad you caught this. Wow, that could have been disastrous.
Glad you checked. Not a lesson anyone would want to learn the hard way.
Nice catch buddy. We are glad you checked first
Phew, thank the Lord you checked before you fired. Some of us may admittedly have not checked (myself included). Good lesson.
Good catch. Since it screws into the suppressor, it's supported and enforced by the suppressor, so I would think it would be safe to drill it out to .450. The wall SHOULD be thick enough to hold up just fine. But that's only me thinking. Don't do it just because I think it'll work. Sometimes my thinker doesn't work quite right, or at least that's what I've been told. Thanks for the heads up.
Good thing you measured it first!
You would’ve had to change your short pants if you had fired that with this adapter. Glad you checked.
Good thing you checked out the adapter!
Good man you saved your face and your new birthday present 👍🏻👍🏻
So glad you caught that. Also a good illustration that just because they call a bullet something doesn't mean that it is.
Buy the smallest thread adapter for that can and have a reputable smith cut and thread it for M18. Less chance of tolerance stacking and alignment issues than using an additional thread adapter…not to mention the Elmer Fudd potential.
Tolerance stacking? I think you missed an internet engineering class.
Good observation, obviously something a guy should always check carefully before flinging bullets through the adapter, yikes.
Glad you caught that. I guess you COULD drill it out if there's enough meat on the adaptor.
That could've been a bad day. Glad you checked.
KABOOM! Good catch sir
As others have stated the 444 is the same diameter as the 44magnum. In fact, there was a lot of issues that if you use the pistol bullets that they were too lightly constructed.
Glad you didn't have a bad day with that.
🙏Thank the Lord you checked that. DEFINITELY need to inform the folks where you got that thing!!!!
That would have turned ugly fast!
Good thing you were paying attention!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Well done top job, from Australia...
I'm really happy that you are safe, and caught this possible hazard.
Silencerco or Silencershop should have a cap with that thread pitch. It might be a tad pricey, but you only need 1 & it's much cheaper than buying a new rifle, and much more common than buying a new hand or eye to replace the ones destroyed in the explosion.
It pays to be extra careful and to double check your equipment before sending rounds through it. Glad to hear you spotted the issue before a disaster occurred. Be blessed, brother.
Like a pup passing a peach seed.
Good catch.... after seeing the wall thickness of that adapter I would NOT drill it out either. Not enough material there for that.
In the excitement of a new gun it's easy to miss really important things. Good catch. Utlimately you'd have certainly destroyed the muzzle device, and probably the barrel as it would have extruded the boolat through the hole. The back pressure would have been ungodly.
I’m sure happy you caught that WTW . Guns can be replaced people can’t . Cheers 🇨🇦
You've always got to be careful when swapping cans to new and different applications. I would be leery of using an adaptor, but would much rather see you get the properly threaded component for your suppressor. Even better would be to go to a good gunsmith or machine shop and have your barrel rethreaded to a more standard 5/8-24 or 11/16-24. Im glad you caught it when you did and that you made this video to help enlighten others to the potential hazard.
Rethreading the barrel is not likely an option. Would require removing too much material most likely.
Nice catch! someone could get severely hurt...
It sure makes you wonder .happy birthday.great show thanks.
Good catch Who Tee Who. Good information to pass along. Thanks. 👍👍
I had a choice to either buy a 22 semi-automatic or a 50 cal single shot CVA and I chose the CBA and I remember many years ago I made a comment why don't you make some muzzleloading content and you actually ended up doing it a couple years later or I'm not sure of the dates but I love this channel and I love the people behind it 1:09
Appreciate you watching
Thanks Who T for this important info. Very thankfull you are safe and glad to have you looking out for other shooters.
Thanks for watching
Good that you checked it with calipers to be sure
Glad you caught that
Good video. Really good information to let people know to make sure and throughly check all of your equipment before you use it.
At first, I thought it might be sized for something like an AK, but I'm not sure that the inside diameter is big enough for that either. I am also glad that you caught it before something bad happened.
Great catch, thank you
Good job! Whenever you are dealing with firearms it's always good to double check your equipment!...
I have lived in the Philippines , sometimes we have flying cockroaches in the kitchen . Domestic docile spiders the size of your open hand.
Nope, I'm out!
Good catch.
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Good catch!
Yup The 444 uses a .429 bullet same as the 44 Spl and Magnum
NO DONT USE A DRILL PRESS!! Threads need be concentric with bore unless its well oversized. Making it well oversized may make it too weak/ thin.
Because there is already a hole it will self center.
Adam no no modifying to fit get the right one. Damn man glad ya checked 1st. 👍🏻🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
yep....could have made for a bad day at the range!!!! safety first!!!!
I am glad we did not see that can explosively enlarged.
That's why the 444 has the big thread... to leave enough metal. Any friend with a lathe could turn it out for you, but the wall would be pretty thin and could break if you subjected it to any large side forces.... If you had fired that rifle with the adapter on, it couldhave got "interesting. Keep safe buddy... 🙂
Reason 6,274 that we NEVER have a quick beer before the range. Gotta have full wits about us because of things like this. Good catch brotha!!
Gonna have to get a can to fit the metric threads🤔
I bet that banish is not rated for that hot 444 !
Yes it is
Well ya answered your question as to why they didn't thread it 5/8-24. There isn't enough metal to thread it that small and it be safe. Those step down adapters are just a bad idea anyways..
Very good spotto there mate, could of ended nasty, love ya work, cheers Yogi ✌️🤙
This was a good video, because you didn’t get hurt. Good information!
Seemingly minor little thing could have been a major problem.
Glad you caught it.
Great catch! I'll bet the Ultimate Reloader could whip up an adapter for you.
Unbelievable, glad you caught that.
Be careful.
The flat parts of the jaws on the caliper are where you should measure the circumference of your round. The skinnier tips can be more deceiving.
I know Who T knows what he is doing but I do not understand why he measured the inside diameter with the outside of the caliper jaws. Please explain. Thanks.
Glad you checked. Can you get an end cap in the right size like your others?
I'm sure you have a machine shop locally that could safely drill the adapter out to a safe clearance since those threads are ultimately supported by the can
Glad you caught that in time
Good catch WTW! I’m glad you didn’t get caught up in the haste to try a new thing! 👍🏻
It's a good thing you noticed that
Very glad to u had checked the DIA of the adapter and the bullet/444.
Most jacketed bullets are .429 or .430 for the 444 and 44 mag. If you ever want to try a cast bulet and get good accuracy you may need a bullet of .432 or even larger to work well. Your can adapter needs a hole about .002 or larger than bullet diameter to give clearance for the bullet. More wont hurt.
Great catch
Good video, I had the same issue with the CVA Scout Pistol chambered in 44 Magnum. I purchased a muzzle brake with the same thread pattern, attached it to the barrel and prepared to go to the range. However I started looking at the brake and got an uneasy feeling about diameter of the neck of the brake. Did a quick fit check with a 44 Magnum round and sure enough it was too large for the muzzle break. Avoided a real disaster...
BTW do you shoot 44 Special in this firearm as well?
Nice catch, and great explanation, that could have turned catastrophic sharing information like that serves us all, Thank You
Glad you checked!
Good catch......😳
Greetings from Australia...good catch there mate - would have made a VERY lively session at the range!
Dam good thing you checked that that would have sucked
Good lesson to learn before actually learning it 👍
Get a hold of Gavin. Have him make you an adapter.
As mentioned 444 projectiles are .429 to .430. Have the adapter drilled to 1/2" you will be good to go. Minimum is .470"
So glad you checked this, seems manufacturer should have caveat. Great catch. Please be safe y'all
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It's not the manufacturer fault they made a adapter that was safe. Exactly why cva didn't thread the barrel 5/8-24 it wouldn't leave enough thickness and be safe!!
Good catch
Keep staying safe
Huge fan of the scout n still looking for one in 35W but the small thread on the end of that barrel is just plain stupid. They know peoples are going to suppress them and am sure they make cheap muzzle brakes to put on there with a larger thread diameter. Just crappy engineering in my book using whatever they have laying around the shop. They do shoot damn well though!!
Good looking!! Definitely would have been a bad day at the range if you missed it. Cant wait for the follow up on the solution.
Good catch! I’m sure glad you didn’t use it.