@@Juiicyyylmao what? I was in high school from 2008 to 2012, the term was used heavily at the time. Feel free to look up ‘hipster Olympics’ it’s an ancient UA-cam video from 2008
@@Juiicyyythat’s def not true. Hipster was used in a the mainstream as a joke on tv shows all the time, and aren’t most tv shows written and shot in California?
Ahhh my college years 😅 I think the biggest part of this aesthetic was the economic collapse in 2008 and how broke everybody was, how hopeless we were about the future, and somehow "artsy" clothes and intense partying were the hedonistic escape we needed to survive it all.
it's crazy that i was technically too young to fully participate in this (born in 2002), but i vividly remember seeing my older sister wear similar things to this, but she fell more under the "grunge" subcategory. we would listen to the killers on her pink ipod nano, she would take me to forever 21 where anything with owls (or wolves, idk why don't even ask😭) or chevron print caught my eye, and i would try to recreate her outfits except my children’s clothes didn't really have that "cool" factor that she had :,)
This is how I felt about the y2k trend. I was too young, but saw my older family members participate. The trends cycle is going crazy fast. After this, we would have gone through pretty much all past decades. So what's going to happen after that?
@@pouchika5672 that is a great question tbh, i guess people will have to either start creating new trends again, or maybe a mix of trends throughout the decades will become popular
@@pouchika5672 we'll cycle through again. The fashion world has been cycling through revivals of past eras for as long as past eras of fashion have existed
yes, as someone who struggles with addiction and is surrounded by addicts, I really don't like seeing the glorification of drugs and alcohol in aesthetics.
I was on the grungier side of indie sleeze but this time frame was bang on my late teens and early twenties and my entire university experience so it just felt like the general fashion at the time to me.
I was in college and worked at Urban Outfitters at this time. Everyone else we hung out with worked at Betsey Johnson, American Apparel or the “cool” thrift stores. It was soooo slutty. We all slept around with each other while covered in glitter and hungover 😅
I just discovered „Skins“ like 5 years ago (bc I‘m a bit younger) but I immediately fell in love with Cassie‘s style . I just love that the 2000‘s fashion and Indie Sleaze has a comeback 🥰 I wish I was a teenager during that time, the 2000‘s is my absolute favorite era when it comes to fashion and music . (Btw I know that it was a shitty time in terms of bodyshaming and misogyny. I‘m aware of the fact that I‘m totally romanticizing the era)
i was OBSESSED with skins as a teen, and listen my style and my music taste is totally stuck in 2012, so i can’t even criticize you romanticizing this era because i’m still living in it 🤣 i started this video sort of hating this aesthetic and ended feeling nostalgic for my highschool years 🥹
I think it's fine to romanticize the style and wear it as much as one wants! However it wasn't a great time to be a teenager. Mental illness and eating disorders still wasn't talked about by adults and became very accepted amongst groups of young people. And you know how you should always be careful when meeting friends from the internet? Well, we had to find that out ourselves and it didn't always end well. Also revenge porn against underage girls was sooo common.
Seeing someone younger say that 2000s era was a shitty time in terms of bodyshaming and misogyny gives me so much hope, it means we have really improved and the younger generation don't see as "normal" all those things we had to deal with anymore
Are you talking about the British version? As a 34 year old now, we rolled our eyes at it at the time and it was always very embarassing, all private school wankers hanging around older men weirdos. I had a friend who was 15 and went out with a member of the paddington's (the definition of indie sleaze band) and he was a chubby balding man in his 30s handing out hard drugs to her and her friends). We were 17 year olds with a band and got endless sht for having a black drummer and not dressing like an explosion in a bellend factory. Played so many gigs with those awful bands who thought they were famous.
Here’s something from a Gen X indie kid who was there: it wasn’t sleazy. We didn’t have Morris the Garage Gimp fisting a Kate Jackson of The Long Blondes drag tribute on the dance floor while Peter Doherty got his guitar out and improvised a song about it. There were house parties which were fun, especially the after parties that happened after a Greenwich Pirate club night, but it wasn’t like we were smearing ourselves in shit whilst having a piñata with a corpse. It’s over exaggerated. I was involved with a fanzine connected to it and the whole thing was very DIY, inherited from punk. There were people starting record labels, zines and club nights, all of which were very DIY because it could be done and it wouldn’t fit anywhere else. Also, it was fun to have something of your own. It was punk ideas that came to their fruition. Looking back at it, I think it , along with emo and scene kids, was the last hurrah of youth culture being punk rock and experimental (unless you count #4Chan and Incelcore). Then it turned into a hybrid of Little House on the Prairie, The Spies from 1984, Nathan Barley and Beverly Hills 90210.
I went to Sarah Lawrence (basically one of the most hipster schools on the planet) from 2007-2011 - so peak Indie Sleaze in an environment completely consumed by the aesthetic. This is so painfully accurate, lol. So glad you made the hipster connection because at the time this was just quintessential NYC hipster culture.
34 year old lady here! literally just searched for “Indie Sleaze”on yt because it came on my IG discovery page and i was aghast to see my 19-25 hipster years resurfacing so soon 💀colored tights, wide brim hats, clove cigarettes, those round john lennon glasses were also definitely a thing in the SF hipster scene, also everyone had one tiny tattoo somewhere, a lot of MDMA (more so than cocaine in my experience), & everyone had one tiny tattoo somewhere.
I was a really introverted teen so I didn't really participate in indie sleaze. Back then I hated myself for not being "cool enough" to be that kind of person, but honestly now I think I dodged a bullet by not getting into partying so young. I still think some aspect of the aesthetic are really fun though, and I love some music of that era, especially electroclash which I feel really fits that whole vibe
Hi, great vid, but I just want to say that pot definitely has it's down sides. I think it should be legal (at least the possession & consumpton of it, like all the drugs should be) but I'm fed up how ppl talk about pot like it doesn't have any harmful impacts on health. It's not true and pretending like pot is just all good and there is no bad side effects doesn't benefit anybody.
Its weird that people see it as an aesthetic. It was but it was very much a lifestyle back then. I wish people didnt glorify that lifestyle too because it was depressing times and partying to numb the pain. The fashion was just a side piece of that culture back then. ❤
This was my favorite era. I’m 26 so back then it was middle school/early high school for me. When mtv played music still. What a time to be alive, it’s nostalgic lol. And I appreciate the style because it’s realistic
tbh i kinda thing that the whole sleaziness is a breath of fresh air in cintrast to the current clean girl, it girl, studying, perfection, focusing on your future-culture, especially when there's very little to look forward to.
This is the BEST breakdown I've ever seen on this! And the wanting to he Hot and Damaged in hs and then ending up actually damaged and dealing with the consequences is so real. Romanticizing mental illness back then was so cool and now i want to gag thinking about it LMAOO. Character development I guess
The keffiyeh (the scarf) is used used to symbolize solidarity with Palestine, so they are usually spread through left (as in left, not American democrat) groups. They were fashionable in Sweden too but they were called "Palestine scarfs" and everyone knew what they stood for. It's very weird that a symbol for Palestine solidarity could become fashionable in the US, especially back then when very few people would have identified as supporters of Palestine.
When I was a teen and they were trendy, I called them the "table cloth scarves" because they were so big when you unfolded them 😅 I repurposed a lot of them into table clothes for end tables after the fact. I wonder how many people knew what they stood for and thought I was stupid 😂
I remember listening to LDR the first time in 2011 when I was 11 or 12 and I thought that this is the kind of music I always searched for . I didn’t know what she was singing abt , bc English isn’t my first language, but I immediately fell for her aesthetic 🌝 I‘m glad I had no internet acces back then. Otherwise I’d probably posted some kind of weird stuff 😅
It's funny how you don't even think of this stuff as an aesthetic nor a fashion style when you're living in that era. Didn't even know it was called this. But I remember the beautiful and damaged and party girl look of the era. Characters like Effie Stronem and people like Kesha really did have their own style which I look back on as the dirty party girl, the love is my drug, the sad tumblr girl (especially for Effie) kind of thing. I didn't realize it extended so far back to include the bimbo era of Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton. I always thought of it as a more of tumblr thing and more present in the early 2010s than early 2000s. I guess it could have been around in the mid and late 2000s, but I more so associate that time period with Scene and Emo kids for the mid-2000s and Twlightcore for the late 2000s. Then early 2010s was the tumblr era where I recognize the glorification of mental illness and sadness from. I graduated high school in 2012 and for me, 2012 was my gothic lolita and hime gyaru era lol cause I just remember hating the fashions of the late 2000s.
Indie sleaze was def 2008-2014. I know because I lived it. It hit hard and true. I'm surprised that people would want to try to recreate that era. It was dark times and pure chaos. Glorifying the realness of life and embracing the ugliness was what it was about. We got into unnecessary trouble but I wouldn't take it back for anything. It sorta makes me feel like my mom talking about the madness of the 80s lmao. I feel bad for these younger gens because they live in such a fake time and they are just trying to experience something they can't. I can almost feel the nostalgia they feel but it's because we are connected to each other metaphysically. They need to come together and do their own thing for optimal satisfaction before it's too late. It's already too late for some but the twenty year old need to just go out and make parties that aren't as toxic as my party era was lol
Im 31 and was in high school from 2006-2010, I'm actually excited for this. I loved Nylon magazine, American Apperal, and I used to hear Alexa Chung, Olsen Twins, and Nicole Richie was into the boho thing. Zoe Kravitz is still very much "indie sleaze" at times. Now I have an excuse to bring out my graphic tees again.
Loved this video... But all I can think about is that if I’d walk around wearing this “aesthetic” in my hometown, everyone would think, I’ve been stuck in time instead of that I’m “trendy” or that I’m looking cool, lol 😆
At the time of the indie sleaze era, I was a pop punk kid in middle school and didn't get into electronic music until the spring/summer of 2011. A few years later, i learned what bloghouse was and realized it was some artists i loved a couple years prior + a bunch of DJs and bands i never knew. Now i'm going on 27 and i'm preserving the music as I'm playing out these tracks at my gigs. While i'm a lot more keen on the music aspect of indie sleaze with electro clash & bloghouse, I appreciate learning about the fashion & aesthetic that came full force with it
I'm a bit confused on this, some people refer to the early 2000s, indie rock bands, the libertines, Kate Moss style during that era, skins, etc as indie sleaze while others are talking about 2010s hipster fashion, American apparel, LDR, Tumblr, ugly moustache everything so which one is it? 🤔
Whatever that whoever finds inspiring at the moment probably there's a lot of fashion and styles and Vibes to explore from that time so probably all of it
this video was two years ago so im late asf, but as someone who has experienced both alcohol dependence/alcoholism and was smoking 🍃🍃all day every day for half my college career and onward, both are dangerous. moderation is key. weed definitely has adverse side effects. i’ve experienced it first hand and seen it happen to people around me. psychosis, dissociation, lack of motivation for ANYTHING/poor performance in school, anxiety/paranoia that sticks around after it wears off, and can even trigger or progress schizophrenia not to mention exacerbate mental health issues depending on the person (happened to me, my roommate, my plug even!) love your vids, but saying weed is completely harmless was pretty irresponsible. and im saying this as someone who still partakes and enjoys it! to anyone reading this who hasnt smoked, weed is great until its not and youve gotta understand how to partake in a healthy way and know urself and ur brain!!! happy smoking
Am I the only one who associates this era with British fashion/culture influences and a vintage pinup influence? I feel like a lot of the people and media glorified either vintage or European aesthetics, or both
This reminds me of using a proxy site in hs and looking at pictures of the cobrasnake and misshapes parties/events. Agnes Deyn and Cory (I forget her last name) was AMAZING
My brother is also 7 yrs older than me but I believe is prolly only a bit older than you and I for sure remember him his friends and his gfs participating in this style a bit
Yup yup yup that era effed me up I thought I was having fun for a while I did all those things that you mentioned all those negative things including going to jail because of all those things it took me a long while to crawl out of that deep hole I was in but I’m happy and healthy now thank goodness not everybody made it out alive
The 80s are always in style. Have it be punk. Have it be goth. Have it be vampire. Have it be rock n roll. The sleaze of indie sleaze is very 80s repackaged. Will the revival be indie and bedroom pop or even more sleazy and dirty? Maybe both
I'm mid-video and like, still listening. But good lord, did people forget what everyone looked like 5 or so years ago? Like this JUST happened. And personally, I wore gold lamé stockings, a seafoam green pencil skirt (vintage 1960s), a black and color block turtle neck("vintage" 2000s), gold sunburst earrings, a very wide black velvet belt with gold embroidery and buckle(1980s), red knit knee socks I've had since I was a kid, large silver rings and cowgirl boots (early 2000s?), dark plum-brown lipstick and winged eyeliner to work TODAY. It sounds chaotic but it was all color coordinated and I scooped up those compliments. Yes I needed to hype my outfit (lol), but I'm also making a point. Don't worry so much when things go "out" of fashion. People have continued to call me a fashion icon since middle school. I'm 33 now. Learn about fashion (history, construction, color theory etc), learn what looks good on you, be selective with your purchases (2nd hand first!) and you will look good.
Yo i found my boots 👢 from middleschool. do you guys remember those slouchy boots with the curly toe. They had us looking like Aladin. I wore my "walk the plank" pirate boots on my first❤ date
I was born in 2004 so I saw the Tumblr sad girl during 2014-2016 like I wanted to be a hipster, hippie, preppy/nerd, Grunge, swag girl, emo, goth like I would be diving in different subcultures 24/7 as a young child lolol like changing music tates n looks very frequently but I def love this indie sleaze look so much ughhh might gotta go back loved M.I.A.~
I was a young adult during this period, so I'm going to try to spam some videos and tidbits that sum it up for me 😊 and yes, keffiyahs were a whole thing. A Vampire Weekend song even mentioned it. Anyway, this video : ua-cam.com/video/-shACMaxUb0/v-deo.html also used for a tech ad. Ipod ads especially were big proponents.
I was there with the twee aesthetic in 2005-2010. You just had to be there🥰I was hoping it would come back because it felt so warm nostalgic and artsy❤The sleaze part was definitely an early 2010 culture shift. I turned 21 around this time & I thank God I came thru w/o f#%ing my life up😅. KE$ha, YOLO, Bacardi, those weird sunglasses that were neon with slits in them? (Anyone remember those things?!) , guys wearing tank tops with cringy sexist sayings on them & yes, SO MUCH DRINKING.
I always strongly disliked this culture, but I never really understood why until now. So thanks for putting into words all the weird toxic shit that was pissing me off even back then (I was very, very young)
You youngenz' move too FAST for an old man to keep up with yinz. To state the obvious, I was oblivious. I had never heard of Indie Sleaze (affirmed: 57% of your viewers hadn't either), couldn't pick the style out of a lineup (couldn't pick it out now), don't understand the lingo--drinking Sparks, Misshapes set. The point here is I learned. That's what your videos do for me. I took a page of notes. A third of the way through I wrote "I can't see the fashion (two underlines) aesthetic in the clothes" (11:46,) (affirmed by a follower (14:43). The one piece of clothing I do remember seeing from this time is the "Arab head scarf." That's a keffiyeh and was worn by those who were turning against Israel and supporting the Palestinians. In that, they were future-seers and they were correct. You say several times and I thought as well, "It's too soon" for this. There really is--really, really--an iron rule of trending, it's 20 years. We're only half-way there. I was not sure how you felt about this whatever-it-is. Early on you say "I love it"; later and repeatedly you basically say it's gross. It is. I noticed no women of color in this thing! Huh! Is that because the exemplars of this thing were all privileged white kids who were tapping into their atavistic alt-right souls? May be! "Recession chic" is unknown to people too poor and marginalized to even now there's a recession. (Me: "Mum, what was it like living through the Depression?" Her: "Oh David, we didn't know there was a Depression, we were too poor.")😂 In all I wish this never was and never comes back. I really, REALLY appreciated this vid, honey. A million likes.
A lot of the coolest trendsetters of the style were WoC (MIA, Karen O, Santigold), but the scene was also kind of under the thumb of skeezy white men (certain sex pest photographers and CEOs). The scene was cool, but not safe or comfortable.
As somebody who was younger and in a band who supported one of the main bands of this whole thing (they were from wakefield, work it out) it was horrible, loads of racism/staring/patromising for having a black drummer, underage girls being abused. People walking out when they saw we wore just normal boring clothes without hearing our music, even got sht for playing fender copy brand guitars and playing actual punk music. Its destroyed all of our love for live music and we went into music technology and ended up selling our songs to a company. Getting talked down to by bands who were completely terrible when we played great but were too young to even drink in the bar we were playing. A movement lead by upper middle class tossers who didnt wash and couldnt match their pretentiousness with actual intelligence. Asking them anything about books beyond the hipster heroin glorying 50s beat poet dross and they were clueless. Ended up with an addiction to said substance myself and that sort of glorifying makes me sick. Like you mention yourself, know loads who ended up dead or paying with their mental health.
ugh honestly my spotify is so boring 😭😭 when i wanna listen to my indie music i go to the Pandora app and listen to the station i made in highschool before spotify was a thing hahahaha
As someone who lived through this time as an artist and fashion student and quite literally barely made it out alive… I hated this period back then and I hate it now. There’s very little nostalgia with it… but what I do enjoy about the sleaze is that it’s the complete opposite of the glam/Instagrammer/UA-camr/filters thing that’s been happening the last several years…
I legit was an art school hipster in Portland Oregon from 2005-2009😂😂😂 I studied fashion design and had crap loads of friends in the indies music scene 😂😂😂I even show cased my work as an independent designer in galleries full of avant garde work. the worst part is how much of my partying was spent with other hipsters 😂
Just irreverent but I consider Portlandia more “Granola” mostly because Carrie brownstien kind of has a different time period reference… but like something of the Gay peak of indie sleaze was probably Rupauls Drag Race Queens in American Apparel Ads or American Apparel selling towels of gay porn stars … idk gay indie sleaze was just also different
@@dionthetaurus yeah I went to the college Carrie went to … Portlandia is definitely “Hipster” and it’s definitely exaggerated from Carrie being from an older “Punk” older generation of and the name is kind of an insulting way for her generation to suggest that the “millennials” interested in social issues and often bought from American apparel prior to the expose was also efforts to support ethical clothing and lifestyles…. The show is definitely condescending and everyone I’ve met from Portland doesn’t like the show … but I do love the name indie sleaze way more !!! I just think in retrospect that Carrie and Fred armisen just sound like l old people on their porch shaking their fist at young people who are now in their 30s for trying to be progressive because it was a bit more progressive than they were … Also I’m in my mid 20s so I missed all that but my college years I basically stole my personality from Cassie in skins … It’s kind of annoying though how millennials are now also insulting Gen Z with the same format of insulting how progressive they are But there is a theory that now post “hipster” and now in a faster rolling trend cycle that we will soon be post Nostalgia aesthetics (but I’m ranting)
Ever since I was a little kid I would say that people wouldn’t feel the need to drown out the pain with alcohol if they stopped drugging themselves for a little high they would learn to live with the trauma and overcome it instead Not even taking into account the stupid shit that happens to people while under the influence causing more trauma
Honestly, according to my own perception (was born 1999) 1. Indie Sleaze is different from Hipster. 2. Indie Sleaze could range from 2007-2014. There's a difference between Indie and Indie Sleaze. The Sleaze part is key.
This aesthetic is basically my college years in nyc. Even got photographed by Dov Charney once 🫠 You are spot on about the glorification of alcoholism and addiction, I crashed and burned pretty early and started recovery in 2013. Kudos on quitting alcohol, but weed definitely isn't harmless and has its detriments. I had to give that up too.
This was my late teens / college aesthetic 😂 Just remembering it makes me feel ill with all the alcohol, lack of sleep, trash food, and Tumblr sadness I consumed 😂😂😂 I’m 30, and happy to know I make better lifestyle choices now
I was a bit to young to participate in this trend (Born 98) but i remember wearing thights with patterns or different colours& i was a big Amy Winehouse Fan in my preteen years xD
You're the first person I've seen who finally got the "hipster" connection right. That's what we actually called it then. 👍🏾
yes!!!
We didn’t call it that back then. Like huh?? Hipster became a term after 2014 after the style had ended
@@Juiicyyylmao what? I was in high school from 2008 to 2012, the term was used heavily at the time. Feel free to look up ‘hipster Olympics’ it’s an ancient UA-cam video from 2008
@@user-hc2tu7ul7j not in Cali.
@@Juiicyyythat’s def not true. Hipster was used in a the mainstream as a joke on tv shows all the time, and aren’t most tv shows written and shot in California?
Ahhh my college years 😅 I think the biggest part of this aesthetic was the economic collapse in 2008 and how broke everybody was, how hopeless we were about the future, and somehow "artsy" clothes and intense partying were the hedonistic escape we needed to survive it all.
it's crazy that i was technically too young to fully participate in this (born in 2002), but i vividly remember seeing my older sister wear similar things to this, but she fell more under the "grunge" subcategory. we would listen to the killers on her pink ipod nano, she would take me to forever 21 where anything with owls (or wolves, idk why don't even ask😭) or chevron print caught my eye, and i would try to recreate her outfits except my children’s clothes didn't really have that "cool" factor that she had :,)
awwww i love this ((,:
This is how I felt about the y2k trend. I was too young, but saw my older family members participate. The trends cycle is going crazy fast. After this, we would have gone through pretty much all past decades. So what's going to happen after that?
@@pouchika5672 that is a great question tbh, i guess people will have to either start creating new trends again, or maybe a mix of trends throughout the decades will become popular
@@pouchika5672 we'll cycle through again. The fashion world has been cycling through revivals of past eras for as long as past eras of fashion have existed
yes, as someone who struggles with addiction and is surrounded by addicts, I really don't like seeing the glorification of drugs and alcohol in aesthetics.
I was on the grungier side of indie sleeze but this time frame was bang on my late teens and early twenties and my entire university experience so it just felt like the general fashion at the time to me.
I was in college and worked at Urban Outfitters at this time. Everyone else we hung out with worked at Betsey Johnson, American Apparel or the “cool” thrift stores. It was soooo slutty. We all slept around with each other while covered in glitter and hungover 😅
I just discovered „Skins“ like 5 years ago (bc I‘m a bit younger) but I immediately fell in love with Cassie‘s style . I just love that the 2000‘s fashion and Indie Sleaze has a comeback 🥰 I wish I was a teenager during that time, the 2000‘s is my absolute favorite era when it comes to fashion and music . (Btw I know that it was a shitty time in terms of bodyshaming and misogyny. I‘m aware of the fact that I‘m totally romanticizing the era)
i was OBSESSED with skins as a teen, and listen my style and my music taste is totally stuck in 2012, so i can’t even criticize you romanticizing this era because i’m still living in it 🤣 i started this video sort of hating this aesthetic and ended feeling nostalgic for my highschool years 🥹
I think it's fine to romanticize the style and wear it as much as one wants! However it wasn't a great time to be a teenager. Mental illness and eating disorders still wasn't talked about by adults and became very accepted amongst groups of young people. And you know how you should always be careful when meeting friends from the internet? Well, we had to find that out ourselves and it didn't always end well. Also revenge porn against underage girls was sooo common.
Seeing someone younger say that 2000s era was a shitty time in terms of bodyshaming and misogyny gives me so much hope, it means we have really improved and the younger generation don't see as "normal" all those things we had to deal with anymore
uh that is our generation's and culture's styles
it has nothing to do with the 2000's
Are you talking about the British version? As a 34 year old now, we rolled our eyes at it at the time and it was always very embarassing, all private school wankers hanging around older men weirdos. I had a friend who was 15 and went out with a member of the paddington's (the definition of indie sleaze band) and he was a chubby balding man in his 30s handing out hard drugs to her and her friends). We were 17 year olds with a band and got endless sht for having a black drummer and not dressing like an explosion in a bellend factory. Played so many gigs with those awful bands who thought they were famous.
Here’s something from a Gen X indie kid who was there: it wasn’t sleazy. We didn’t have Morris the Garage Gimp fisting a Kate Jackson of The Long Blondes drag tribute on the dance floor while Peter Doherty got his guitar out and improvised a song about it. There were house parties which were fun, especially the after parties that happened after a Greenwich Pirate club night, but it wasn’t like we were smearing ourselves in shit whilst having a piñata with a corpse. It’s over exaggerated.
I was involved with a fanzine connected to it and the whole thing was very DIY, inherited from punk. There were people starting record labels, zines and club nights, all of which were very DIY because it could be done and it wouldn’t fit anywhere else. Also, it was fun to have something of your own. It was punk ideas that came to their fruition. Looking back at it, I think it , along with emo and scene kids, was the last hurrah of youth culture being punk rock and experimental (unless you count #4Chan and Incelcore). Then it turned into a hybrid of Little House on the Prairie, The Spies from 1984, Nathan Barley and Beverly Hills 90210.
I went to Sarah Lawrence (basically one of the most hipster schools on the planet) from 2007-2011 - so peak Indie Sleaze in an environment completely consumed by the aesthetic. This is so painfully accurate, lol. So glad you made the hipster connection because at the time this was just quintessential NYC hipster culture.
34 year old lady here! literally just searched for “Indie Sleaze”on yt because it came on my IG discovery page and i was aghast to see my 19-25 hipster years resurfacing so soon 💀colored tights, wide brim hats, clove cigarettes, those round john lennon glasses were also definitely a thing in the SF hipster scene, also everyone had one tiny tattoo somewhere, a lot of MDMA (more so than cocaine in my experience), & everyone had one tiny tattoo somewhere.
none of the styles were new
I was a really introverted teen so I didn't really participate in indie sleaze. Back then I hated myself for not being "cool enough" to be that kind of person, but honestly now I think I dodged a bullet by not getting into partying so young. I still think some aspect of the aesthetic are really fun though, and I love some music of that era, especially electroclash which I feel really fits that whole vibe
i lost sooo many friends bc i simply wasn’t a big partier but now at 26 i’m happy my teenage self had enough sense to not go crazy
Hi, great vid, but I just want to say that pot definitely has it's down sides. I think it should be legal (at least the possession & consumpton of it, like all the drugs should be) but I'm fed up how ppl talk about pot like it doesn't have any harmful impacts on health. It's not true and pretending like pot is just all good and there is no bad side effects doesn't benefit anybody.
Its weird that people see it as an aesthetic. It was but it was very much a lifestyle back then. I wish people didnt glorify that lifestyle too because it was depressing times and partying to numb the pain. The fashion was just a side piece of that culture back then. ❤
the british tv show waterloo road really showed some off this aesthetic i feel
This was my favorite era. I’m 26 so back then it was middle school/early high school for me. When mtv played music still. What a time to be alive, it’s nostalgic lol. And I appreciate the style because it’s realistic
yea!!
I kinda hope Twee makes a comeback because i think its really pretty
tbh i kinda thing that the whole sleaziness is a breath of fresh air in cintrast to the current clean girl, it girl, studying, perfection, focusing on your future-culture, especially when there's very little to look forward to.
it was culture vulturism
@@layditms2 yeah the afghan scarves and indian headdress defo was?
This is the BEST breakdown I've ever seen on this! And the wanting to he Hot and Damaged in hs and then ending up actually damaged and dealing with the consequences is so real. Romanticizing mental illness back then was so cool and now i want to gag thinking about it LMAOO. Character development I guess
The keffiyeh (the scarf) is used used to symbolize solidarity with Palestine, so they are usually spread through left (as in left, not American democrat) groups. They were fashionable in Sweden too but they were called "Palestine scarfs" and everyone knew what they stood for. It's very weird that a symbol for Palestine solidarity could become fashionable in the US, especially back then when very few people would have identified as supporters of Palestine.
When I was a teen and they were trendy, I called them the "table cloth scarves" because they were so big when you unfolded them 😅 I repurposed a lot of them into table clothes for end tables after the fact.
I wonder how many people knew what they stood for and thought I was stupid 😂
I remember listening to LDR the first time in 2011 when I was 11 or 12 and I thought that this is the kind of music I always searched for . I didn’t know what she was singing abt , bc English isn’t my first language, but I immediately fell for her aesthetic 🌝 I‘m glad I had no internet acces back then. Otherwise I’d probably posted some kind of weird stuff 😅
😂😂
Nothing her aesthetic
She raids other Generation's styles and music
Please, Get a clue
Cannot fucking believe this
This is the erasure of the people from the actual cultures
It's funny how you don't even think of this stuff as an aesthetic nor a fashion style when you're living in that era. Didn't even know it was called this. But I remember the beautiful and damaged and party girl look of the era. Characters like Effie Stronem and people like Kesha really did have their own style which I look back on as the dirty party girl, the love is my drug, the sad tumblr girl (especially for Effie) kind of thing. I didn't realize it extended so far back to include the bimbo era of Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton. I always thought of it as a more of tumblr thing and more present in the early 2010s than early 2000s. I guess it could have been around in the mid and late 2000s, but I more so associate that time period with Scene and Emo kids for the mid-2000s and Twlightcore for the late 2000s. Then early 2010s was the tumblr era where I recognize the glorification of mental illness and sadness from. I graduated high school in 2012 and for me, 2012 was my gothic lolita and hime gyaru era lol cause I just remember hating the fashions of the late 2000s.
it’s such a fluid “style” that it’s hard to pinpoint the era! but you’re so right!
They did not
Indie sleaze was def 2008-2014. I know because I lived it. It hit hard and true. I'm surprised that people would want to try to recreate that era. It was dark times and pure chaos. Glorifying the realness of life and embracing the ugliness was what it was about. We got into unnecessary trouble but I wouldn't take it back for anything. It sorta makes me feel like my mom talking about the madness of the 80s lmao. I feel bad for these younger gens because they live in such a fake time and they are just trying to experience something they can't. I can almost feel the nostalgia they feel but it's because we are connected to each other metaphysically. They need to come together and do their own thing for optimal satisfaction before it's too late. It's already too late for some but the twenty year old need to just go out and make parties that aren't as toxic as my party era was lol
Im 31 and was in high school from 2006-2010, I'm actually excited for this. I loved Nylon magazine, American Apperal, and I used to hear Alexa Chung, Olsen Twins, and Nicole Richie was into the boho thing. Zoe Kravitz is still very much "indie sleaze" at times. Now I have an excuse to bring out my graphic tees again.
yes!!!
that is the culture vulturism of our cultures and how we grew up
why are we being erased by all of you ?
Loved this video... But all I can think about is that if I’d walk around wearing this “aesthetic” in my hometown, everyone would think, I’ve been stuck in time instead of that I’m “trendy” or that I’m looking cool, lol 😆
lol
it was already around for decades in the 2000's
At the time of the indie sleaze era, I was a pop punk kid in middle school and didn't get into electronic music until the spring/summer of 2011. A few years later, i learned what bloghouse was and realized it was some artists i loved a couple years prior + a bunch of DJs and bands i never knew. Now i'm going on 27 and i'm preserving the music as I'm playing out these tracks at my gigs.
While i'm a lot more keen on the music aspect of indie sleaze with electro clash & bloghouse, I appreciate learning about the fashion & aesthetic that came full force with it
I'm a bit confused on this, some people refer to the early 2000s, indie rock bands, the libertines, Kate Moss style during that era, skins, etc as indie sleaze while others are talking about 2010s hipster fashion, American apparel, LDR, Tumblr, ugly moustache everything so which one is it? 🤔
every article said something different. the general range i’ve found is 2002-2012 which is sort of all of that!
Whatever that whoever finds inspiring at the moment probably there's a lot of fashion and styles and Vibes to explore from that time so probably all of it
it was all imitation
@@Thrivinginthespotlight they were all imitations you id iot
this video was two years ago so im late asf, but as someone who has experienced both alcohol dependence/alcoholism and was smoking 🍃🍃all day every day for half my college career and onward, both are dangerous. moderation is key. weed definitely has adverse side effects. i’ve experienced it first hand and seen it happen to people around me. psychosis, dissociation, lack of motivation for ANYTHING/poor performance in school, anxiety/paranoia that sticks around after it wears off, and can even trigger or progress schizophrenia not to mention exacerbate mental health issues depending on the person (happened to me, my roommate, my plug even!) love your vids, but saying weed is completely harmless was pretty irresponsible. and im saying this as someone who still partakes and enjoys it! to anyone reading this who hasnt smoked, weed is great until its not and youve gotta understand how to partake in a healthy way and know urself and ur brain!!! happy smoking
The blue rilakkuma phone case is to die for.
Am I the only one who associates this era with British fashion/culture influences and a vintage pinup influence? I feel like a lot of the people and media glorified either vintage or European aesthetics, or both
definitely massive culture vuturism of all our cultures
and erasing us from our heritage
so cool seein it everywhere
Marijuana can trigger schizophrenia and it can cause cognitive problems if smoked everyday for some time.
in your own words: “stop being woke, it’s cringe”
Wtf, Dion?
I just saw a banx art exhibit in Amsterdam last month.
This reminds me of using a proxy site in hs and looking at pictures of the cobrasnake and misshapes parties/events. Agnes Deyn and Cory (I forget her last name) was AMAZING
CORY KENNEDY
raiding other generation's and culture's styles
There is nothing wrong with indie sleaze. it's alllll gooood. Listening to Interpol walking around the LES on a Sunday afternoons. Fun!
I was holding water my make up artist goes is that vodka I said NO, but about 5 years it was...
i found your channel and absolutely love it !!!!
I miss nylon magazine soo much!!
My brother is also 7 yrs older than me but I believe is prolly only a bit older than you and I for sure remember him his friends and his gfs participating in this style a bit
Hopefully this brings back the rise of indie and electro bands.
lol like they were indie
Yup yup yup that era effed me up I thought I was having fun for a while I did all those things that you mentioned all those negative things including going to jail because of all those things it took me a long while to crawl out of that deep hole I was in but I’m happy and healthy now thank goodness not everybody made it out alive
Im dying I love this so much
The 80s are always in style. Have it be punk. Have it be goth. Have it be vampire. Have it be rock n roll. The sleaze of indie sleaze is very 80s repackaged.
Will the revival be indie and bedroom pop or even more sleazy and dirty? Maybe both
When you said Cory Kennedy and TheCobraSnake specifically I GASPED, this video awakened memories I completely forgot I had 😭
~unlocking the sleaze~ 🤣
@@dionthetaurus that is the life of the sleaze.
Ahh yes this takes me back to my cringey art school days haha
I'm mid-video and like, still listening. But good lord, did people forget what everyone looked like 5 or so years ago? Like this JUST happened. And personally, I wore gold lamé stockings, a seafoam green pencil skirt (vintage 1960s), a black and color block turtle neck("vintage" 2000s), gold sunburst earrings, a very wide black velvet belt with gold embroidery and buckle(1980s), red knit knee socks I've had since I was a kid, large silver rings and cowgirl boots (early 2000s?), dark plum-brown lipstick and winged eyeliner to work TODAY. It sounds chaotic but it was all color coordinated and I scooped up those compliments. Yes I needed to hype my outfit (lol), but I'm also making a point. Don't worry so much when things go "out" of fashion. People have continued to call me a fashion icon since middle school. I'm 33 now. Learn about fashion (history, construction, color theory etc), learn what looks good on you, be selective with your purchases (2nd hand first!) and you will look good.
I'm so early lol, just woke up, saw this and *click* instant
Omg hehehehe good morning!
Yo i found my boots 👢 from middleschool. do you guys remember those slouchy boots with the curly toe. They had us looking like Aladin. I wore my "walk the plank" pirate boots on my first❤ date
I was born in 2004 so I saw the Tumblr sad girl during 2014-2016 like I wanted to be a hipster, hippie, preppy/nerd, Grunge, swag girl, emo, goth like I would be diving in different subcultures 24/7 as a young child lolol like changing music tates n looks very frequently but I def love this indie sleaze look so much ughhh might gotta go back loved M.I.A.~
uh a lot of that was culture vulturism
hearing the cobra snake instantly took me back to summer 2012 after graduating lol
I was a young adult during this period, so I'm going to try to spam some videos and tidbits that sum it up for me 😊 and yes, keffiyahs were a whole thing. A Vampire Weekend song even mentioned it.
Anyway, this video : ua-cam.com/video/-shACMaxUb0/v-deo.html also used for a tech ad. Ipod ads especially were big proponents.
ua-cam.com/video/EpDmklLFXVc/v-deo.html Peaches was an early part.
Gaga's video for "Just Dance" also captures it, as mentioned.
omg i never realized that was the lyric in Campus!!
@@dionthetaurus at that point, they were solidly a cliché, so I think that was a sassy moment from VW.
Or just a marker of the character's youth, the time and place, etc.
@@katyp564 it is! they do “poking fun of elitist north east culture” so masterfully from their pretentiousness to their references
I was there with the twee aesthetic in 2005-2010. You just had to be there🥰I was hoping it would come back because it felt so warm nostalgic and artsy❤The sleaze part was definitely an early 2010 culture shift. I turned 21 around this time & I thank God I came thru w/o f#%ing my life up😅. KE$ha, YOLO, Bacardi, those weird sunglasses that were neon with slits in them? (Anyone remember those things?!) , guys wearing tank tops with cringy sexist sayings on them & yes, SO MUCH DRINKING.
'' those weird sunglasses that were neon with slits in them? ''
yeah 80's
I always strongly disliked this culture, but I never really understood why until now. So thanks for putting into words all the weird toxic shit that was pissing me off even back then (I was very, very young)
I seriously couldn’t explain this better myself. So accurate!
11:18 love love love alexa
You youngenz' move too FAST for an old man to keep up with yinz. To state the obvious, I was oblivious. I had never heard of Indie Sleaze (affirmed: 57% of your viewers hadn't either), couldn't pick the style out of a lineup (couldn't pick it out now), don't understand the lingo--drinking Sparks, Misshapes set. The point here is I learned. That's what your videos do for me. I took a page of notes. A third of the way through I wrote "I can't see the fashion (two underlines) aesthetic in the clothes" (11:46,) (affirmed by a follower (14:43). The one piece of clothing I do remember seeing from this time is the "Arab head scarf." That's a keffiyeh and was worn by those who were turning against Israel and supporting the Palestinians. In that, they were future-seers and they were correct. You say several times and I thought as well, "It's too soon" for this. There really is--really, really--an iron rule of trending, it's 20 years. We're only half-way there. I was not sure how you felt about this whatever-it-is. Early on you say "I love it"; later and repeatedly you basically say it's gross. It is. I noticed no women of color in this thing! Huh! Is that because the exemplars of this thing were all privileged white kids who were tapping into their atavistic alt-right souls? May be! "Recession chic" is unknown to people too poor and marginalized to even now there's a recession. (Me: "Mum, what was it like living through the Depression?" Her: "Oh David, we didn't know there was a Depression, we were too poor.")😂 In all I wish this never was and never comes back. I really, REALLY appreciated this vid, honey. A million likes.
A lot of the coolest trendsetters of the style were WoC (MIA, Karen O, Santigold), but the scene was also kind of under the thumb of skeezy white men (certain sex pest photographers and CEOs). The scene was cool, but not safe or comfortable.
@@katyp564 no literally !
The styles were appropiated
As somebody who was younger and in a band who supported one of the main bands of this whole thing (they were from wakefield, work it out) it was horrible, loads of racism/staring/patromising for having a black drummer, underage girls being abused. People walking out when they saw we wore just normal boring clothes without hearing our music, even got sht for playing fender copy brand guitars and playing actual punk music. Its destroyed all of our love for live music and we went into music technology and ended up selling our songs to a company. Getting talked down to by bands who were completely terrible when we played great but were too young to even drink in the bar we were playing.
A movement lead by upper middle class tossers who didnt wash and couldnt match their pretentiousness with actual intelligence. Asking them anything about books beyond the hipster heroin glorying 50s beat poet dross and they were clueless. Ended up with an addiction to said substance myself and that sort of glorifying makes me sick.
Like you mention yourself, know loads who ended up dead or paying with their mental health.
i need to know your spotify if you have one:))
ugh honestly my spotify is so boring 😭😭 when i wanna listen to my indie music i go to the Pandora app and listen to the station i made in highschool before spotify was a thing hahahaha
rolleyes
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As someone who lived through this time as an artist and fashion student and quite literally barely made it out alive… I hated this period back then and I hate it now. There’s very little nostalgia with it… but what I do enjoy about the sleaze is that it’s the complete opposite of the glam/Instagrammer/UA-camr/filters thing that’s been happening the last several years…
I legit was an art school hipster in Portland Oregon from 2005-2009😂😂😂 I studied fashion design and had crap loads of friends in the indies music scene 😂😂😂I even show cased my work as an independent designer in galleries full of avant garde work. the worst part is how much of my partying was spent with other hipsters 😂
Just irreverent but I consider Portlandia more “Granola” mostly because Carrie brownstien kind of has a different time period reference… but like something of the Gay peak of indie sleaze was probably Rupauls Drag Race Queens in American Apparel Ads or American Apparel selling towels of gay porn stars … idk gay indie sleaze was just also different
i feel like portlandia is encapsulates what 2010s hipster culture was, and indie sleaze is like a glamourization, but i get what you mean!
@@dionthetaurus yeah I went to the college Carrie went to … Portlandia is definitely “Hipster” and it’s definitely exaggerated from Carrie being from an older “Punk” older generation of and the name is kind of an insulting way for her generation to suggest that the “millennials” interested in social issues and often bought from American apparel prior to the expose was also efforts to support ethical clothing and lifestyles…. The show is definitely condescending and everyone I’ve met from Portland doesn’t like the show … but I do love the name indie sleaze way more !!!
I just think in retrospect that Carrie and Fred armisen just sound like l old people on their porch shaking their fist at young people who are now in their 30s for trying to be progressive because it was a bit more progressive than they were …
Also I’m in my mid 20s so I missed all that but my college years I basically stole my personality from Cassie in skins …
It’s kind of annoying though how millennials are now also insulting Gen Z with the same format of insulting how progressive they are
But there is a theory that now post “hipster” and now in a faster rolling trend cycle that we will soon be post Nostalgia aesthetics (but I’m ranting)
american apparal was imitation of all our cultures styles and everything we grew up with and how we grew up
Ever since I was a little kid I would say that people wouldn’t feel the need to drown out the pain with alcohol if they stopped drugging themselves for a little high they would learn to live with the trauma and overcome it instead
Not even taking into account the stupid shit that happens to people while under the influence causing more trauma
Honestly, according to my own perception (was born 1999) 1. Indie Sleaze is different from Hipster. 2. Indie Sleaze could range from 2007-2014.
There's a difference between Indie and Indie Sleaze. The Sleaze part is key.
No. It was appropriation.
This aesthetic is basically my college years in nyc. Even got photographed by Dov Charney once 🫠 You are spot on about the glorification of alcoholism and addiction, I crashed and burned pretty early and started recovery in 2013. Kudos on quitting alcohol, but weed definitely isn't harmless and has its detriments. I had to give that up too.
hey thanks so much! and yeah of course anything can be abused and everything is bad in excess!
the aesthetic was culture vultured
Don’t say sleaze, it is a curse.
This was my late teens / college aesthetic 😂 Just remembering it makes me feel ill with all the alcohol, lack of sleep, trash food, and Tumblr sadness I consumed 😂😂😂 I’m 30, and happy to know I make better lifestyle choices now
What you said about alcohol
And weed is, as you probably know, false.
*this video is not FDA approved*
I was a bit to young to participate in this trend (Born 98) but i remember wearing thights with patterns or different colours& i was a big Amy Winehouse Fan in my preteen years xD
the styles were older then
complete culture vulturism