HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL THE MUSICAL THE SERIES Season 3 Episode 7 PART 1 Camp Prom REACTION!!
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I thought the breakup made complete sense. A lot of people suspected the reason for the breakup was gonna be their different life paths and low and behold. I think they found each other in a time where they were lonely and vulnerable (especially Gina) but ultimately they’re just not meant for each other.
I agree, I just felt like they really made Ej out to be a villain and they couldn't had the same story play out with him not being so hurtful. To watch Gina be upset for an entire season after...well watching Gina be upset for an entire season lol just sucked and I wish it didn't go down the way it did.
i don't think portwell was bad writing. i actually think the way they ended was written very well. i think people keep asking "why did they put them together if they were just going to break them up", and i have to say...it was always clear to me that they were a plot device. in fact, rinas predicted exactly everything that gina mentioned was wrong with the relationship since they got together at the end of season 2. i think people just were in denial that portwell was a plot device so it was hard for them to understand why this was the outcome. portwell needed to happen in order for rina to be endgame (which is what the writers intend on). gina pined over ricky when he was in a relationship in s2 and went through a lot, so it was essential that she learned to "move on" and enter a relationship so that ricky could fully understand exactly how she felt in s2. sofia wylie, the actress who plays gina, said this herself in an interview a couple days ago. also, gina needed to experience her first relationship because ricky already did. ricky and gina needed to come back to each other when they were both on the same page and both their best selfs. we saw how gina had first girlfriend nerves throughout the season and also may have handled some situations "poorly" because she is inexperienced with this. she needed to learn from the mistakes in her first relationship, just like ricky did with nini, so that when her and ricky finally had the right time, they would be able to last. so yes, portwell happened for a reason. it happened to push gina's development and rinas development further because thats what plot device relationships are for. yes, i know some ppl are upset that it seems like they "ruined" ej but personally a lot of his actions make sense to me. they may be wrong but i understand why ej would do certain things and i don't think he really developed that much in s2 for people to assume he wouldn't act the way he did in his relationship with nini. i think ej just needs to be single, and yes this may sound ironic since everyone seems to claim that ricky needs to be single (which... he is?) but its literally canon in the show that ej is almost never single and constantly has girlfriends (they mentioned this 2 times in season 2, in ep 3 and ep 10). i think he just needs to take a step back from relationships and focus on himself because a lot of the reason why his relationships fail.. is because of him lol.
100% agreed!!! i really dont think they ruined ej's character just because he's repeating his mistakes from his previous relationship. character development comes late to some and im sure he's gonna be thriving next season when he finally figures out that he needs to focus on his future and take adulthood seriously. instead of making a future with gina when he cant be bothered with her in the present he needs to make a future for himself so the next time he's in a relationship he can handle things better. people were quick to jump on conclusions in s2 that rina was ruined but now see how beautifully they're being developed. i believe the same will be true for elton john on his journey to discover himself because unlike all the rest of his friends he hasnt truly done that.
100% agree. All Rinas (me included) have been saying this for the longest time, Gina and EJ are in two different points in their lives. And of course it was plot device for Rina... And yeah, EJ needs to be single...
exactly Rina was so obvious.
Yep, portwells should of seen it coming. It was obvious they weren’t going to last. Like Gina said it was over before it even started.
I don't think I'm explaing myself in the right way lol I'm not surprised they broke up, I knew they were going to since episode 1 when Ricky showed up. Nor am I in denial about Rina, If you watch my season 1 reactions and even part of season 2, I wanted them to happen. Yes, they were clearly a plot device, but I don't like how the plot went down. It's not why did they put them together if they were just going to break them up for me, it's why did they put them together if they were just going to break them up in that way. The break up made no sense to me because the relationship itself made no sense to me, because there wasn't one. Give me the dynamic of an actual relationship and then give me conflict, don't just tell me they are a couple and then give me full on conflict for 6 out of 8 episodes when we never even saw the first kiss. Portwell should not have been the choice writers made, Ej and Gina exploring a possible relationship should have been what they did. Instead they made a fool out of it but literally having Seb come in and make a joke during their break up. In regards to Ej, I'm surprised to see some people say there wasn't any real growth in him. the while first episode of season 2 is him confessing every time he feels like he was being a bad person because of the growth he is going through.
ej has always been the antagonist of the show, they gave him some redemption in season two just because. u have to remember he’s also the same person who gave a girl a rotten egg and stole his girlfriend’s phone
Yes, yes he is lol But that’s exactly my point, he has come such a long way for him to STILL be the antagonist.
@@jessiedobbiereactions has he though? He's never really had time for himself to grow because he's never been single for long (mentioned in s2 when he said that's his first Valentine's Day alone). He was always - from what we've seen - the problem in the relationship. After Nini, he tried to better himself by telling people what he did wrong his whole life but that's it. When him and Gina sat on the couch in s2, she asked him what he thinks about himself and he just kept mentioning negative things he did. He's never focus on himself that much - mostly on what his dad wants him to do or what others want him to do (direct the show for example). EJ should not be in a relationship because he is just not ready for it. He needs to find himself and figure out what he wants to be and what he wants to do. He's taking a gap year because without his dad telling him what to do, he doesn't know what he wants either. In s2 he was childish sometimes (zoom episode for example) and now in s3 with his camp traditions which are important to him because those are the last times where he can actually be a kid again but unfortunately he's ignoring everyone else while doing so especially his now ex-girlfriend.
I wouldn't necessarily blame it on EJ alone but it's definitely parenting because his dad has been so strict and didn't let EJ figure out what he wants to do in the future. His life has always been planned out and he tries to be a people pleaser while also being selfish
@@xapokalypse I feel like Ej has grown a lot more than people give him credit for, but yes there are definitely still a lot of things that he needs to work on. I also agree that he needs to be single which is why I feel like Portwell should never have been a couple, they only made it a couple so that they could justify Gina having a first relationship. It just all felt way too messy to me, and not the interesting kind of messy lol
This is also the person who almost became an incel when he thought Gina didn't see him in a romantic light and instead of talking to her, he would have rather broken off all contact/relationship, so I think this is very in character, he prioritizes what he feels (be that his own feelings, responsibilities, etc) over Gina's.
While yes it was a bit of a drastic reaction and he should have approached her about it, he was also literally told from the mouth of her own brother that he was like a brother to her, and when he said, “Gina said that?” Her brother didn’t say no. So very different situation in my opinion, he thought he had actual facts about how she felt.
@@jessiedobbiereactions And yet ultimately the un-incel thing to do would be to have that date whether it be platonic or not instead of canceling it, and the mature thing to do would have been to talk to her. The latter is easier to forgive over the former for me.
@@jessiedobbiereactions he blindsided her and made her cry over a comment her brother made cause he's insecure and can't communicate.. a theme that's been very common this season. Just gotta actually try to see it.
@@24Kurenai Well to start with I think Ej is the literal opposite definition of an incel. An incel is someone who thinks they’re unable to attract people and that’s not Ej, nor was that how he felt about the Gina situation. Again, he was flat out told by her brother that she thinks of him as brother. So, considering he had feelings for her and considering he thinks she doesn’t, suggesting to go to dinner with friends instead of just together seems fine by me. Yes it would’ve been better to confront her, but it was coming from her family. He was hurt🤷♀️
@@TacosWillEatYou1 He didn’t make her cry intentionally, he was hurt too. It was a complete miss understanding and I feel like a lot of people in his situation would’ve had the same reaction while hearing that.
for me: i think ej has improved but as a single person. relationship wise i think he has always had ways to go. he hasn’t grown relationship wise and that’s something he should tackle. so i personally think that the break up made sense.
also for the fighting: i think yes fighting occurs, but to see the constant imbalance in the amount of effort put into a relationship can be enough to break a person especially with someone who has been through a lot like Gina.
also!! i majority agree!! they really shouldn’t have become an official couple. they were better when they were friends and were exploring it. as a rina, i would’ve much better enjoyed a portwell friendship where ej actually treated her better and they were both happy and also have ricky do his own realization bam! BUT i also really understand why they needed to date because Gina was able to get a sense of what a relationship was like and what she truly needed out of one.
I think that's my big problem though, they had them in an official relationship just for the sake of Gina being able to have a relationship and it didn't feel like an actual relationship at all. It was literally just Gina calling him her boyfriend for a few weeks and then they broke up lol If the writers wanted Gina to have an actual relationship before Ricky, that was a very poor one.
I agree and disagree. I think they’ve just taken traits that EJ has always had and put them to to forefront. EJ was like this in season 2 as well but it just wasn’t as noticeable because he didn’t have a responsibility like the play on his shoulders and he wasn’t in a relationship. We know that EJ has canonically had alot of relationships and I think what they’re trying to show us here is that he needs to figure out what he wants to do with himself instead of trying to be the perfect boyfriend. It relates back to All I Want in season one “I found a guy told me I was a star, he’s perfect on paper but he’s lying to my face.” It applies to EJ even now. The most character development EJ has gotten is when he’s not in a relationship and I believe it was for the best that portwell broke up. Granted I rather them not have been together at all but I think at this point and time since EJ has graduated they are trying to find something to do with his character and having him branch out while Gina’s life is finally getting to a point of stability just wasn’t going to work and then breaking up was bound to happen in season two, they live two different lives and the fact that he is older does play a part in it. It was always foreshadowed when Gina said in season two she needed a guy to show up AND stay around, EJ showed up multiple times but he never stayed around and that was the problem.
Ej was like this in season two but immediately acknowledged that he was being like that when it happened, and that’s exactly my problem with season three. We went from not acknowledging it, to constantly acknowledging it, to being completely unaware of anything other than the play, and that just doesn’t make sense to me.
@@jessiedobbiereactions Well it also goes to EJ’s lack of communication skills, which was a big problem for Ricky and Nini (which I think they did on purpose) season two finale showed EJ not talking things out with Gina and instead taking another person’s word for something and completely going with what he believes it means/meant in his head. (Him doing this in episode three of this season when Carlos mentioned Ricky and Gina getting lost in the woods and him assuming something happened because he knows Ricky and Gina have history instead of just being honest with Gina) it’s something that’s always been there. In episode 5 they mentioned EJ was here for the wrong reasons and unlike everyone else’s roles we never really got to see his play put. That’s because it’s been playing out since the season started. EJ is at camp to hold on to the last bit of his youth before growing up, the only thing the play did was accelerate the process. Even if they didn’t go to camp or EJ wasn’t the director this was bound to happen when he eventually went off the college. It seems like EJ was holding too tightly on to Gina (and salt lake) because of his fear of growing up. So I think that him only focusing on the play is accurate for his character, all the nice gestures in season 2 was because he didn’t have that weight and all he had was a crush that he wasn’t even sure if he wanted to peruse. Now that he’s in a relationship he’s focused on being the perfect boyfriend but that’s never want Gina actually needed. In EJ’s mind it’s “if I do well with this play then my father won’t send me off somewhere that 1. I don’t want to go and 2. Will push me to accept that I’m growing up.” He might’ve been doing part of this to stay with Gina but the whole reason he’s zeroed in on this play is that he can stay in salt lake and not have to be forced to deal with his life changing from being a senior to a college student. (and change is a big theme around the show) that’s how I pictured it, were some of his actions wrong? Yes but I think for his character specifically it made sense.
@@jessiedobbiereactions the writers probably feel that they don’t need to try all that hard in some of their plot lines, because, ultimately, their target audiences are people that wouldn’t care all that much.
If they weren’t a couple, Ricky would’ve been 10x more flirty with Gina
Agreed
This Jet and Maddox duet is everything! Just putting that out there
It’s STILL stuck in my head lol
Portwell always came off as a plot device romance to further Rina in my opinion. They don't have nearly as much development as Rina, and they didn't even show their first kiss which was supposed to be a big moment for Gina! The writers are basically making Ricky go through exactly what Gina went through last season so when they finally do get together, it is earned. And while EJ has had minor development, don't forget he made Gina cry last season by canceling their date due to miscommunication and Gina had to clear that up for him! Gina has stressed that she needs someone who shows up (which EJ has done) and stays around (Ricky has done BOTH).
I do wish they stayed friends, but I personally thought they did very well with the breakup scene. It's literally everything Rina’s been saying since they got together (miscommunication, different stages of their lives, etc.) And of course, EJ tries to shift the blame to Ricky - he did the same thing when Nini broke up with him - when Gina has been keeping the relationship afloat.
cmon Jessie.. a midgame ship.. the plot device ship.. they absolutely must have been a couple. They had to happen for the story to develop into Ricky and Gina's endgame. This 'summer' is just a sample of the rest of EJ's life and they're showing that brilliantly. Doesn't matter what happens these two weeks, once they go back its all the same thing over again. EJ's life is opening up, he has a lot more responsibilities and a lot less time to hang around.. highschoolers. This was how it was supposed to be. It seems you're slightly in denial about some of it here but I've been saying this for weeks. Gina doesn't do anything right the first time. Little did we know that just a bit later her whole summer of firsts which happened to be EJ wasn't what she needed. It's all written.
Brilliantly? I STRONGLY disagree, but I’m glad someone is finding it enjoying lol If they had to give Portwell, then they should’ve given a decent start to a healthy relationship like they did with everyone else instead of throwing them to the fire every episode. I’m not in denial, it’s me seeing it end up like this and realizing the whole thing was totally pointless in my opinion. I’ve said since season 1, you can watch my reactions online lol that I liked Rina. They easily could’ve done everything you just said while having Portwell not be a labeled couple, which would’ve given sweet Portwell moments, but still had the door open for Rina. Instead they got Rina’s upset after season 2, got Portwell’s excited only to have a bunch of oOo what if?! Moments, and it’s frustrating. They never disrespected any other couple like this. Terrible terrible writing.
@@jessiedobbiereactions maybe they never wanted to give PW that level of respect to begin with? People were pointing out their issues plot wise ever since last season and the writers slapped the fans with it in the face this season. The Rina’s were just right. The writers don’t have a reason to respect every ship people end up liking. I’ve had so many ships I’ve utterly loved that got completely disrespected. It’s a teen drama. The PW community seems to baby EJ a lot and it’s kind of odd how every feels bad for him when he created the downfall of his own relationship singlehandedly 🤷🏽♂️.
@@jessiedobbiereactions I’m confused on narratively what part of PW was a foundation of something healthy and long lasting given their circumstances when they got together. EJ has graduated, Gina was still only going into Junior year. EJ had to eventually take on a lot more responsibility and leave East High and his HS friends and everyone else didn’t have to worry about that yet. They were in two completely different phases of their life and these two weeks were just simply a sample size of that. Nothing was ever going to change when summer ended it would’ve just been more of the same. RIP to ur ship I guess 😭 but the writers clearly didn’t like them like that and that’s just how it is. It ain’t bad writing if its intentionally what they’re trying to get across but you’re obviously free to view it as bad writing l.
@@TacosWillEatYou1 Again, I'm glad someone is enjoying it and I respect everyones creative expression, but I truly think it was some absolutely horrifically terrible writing lol If they didn't want to give Portwell that level of respect then why treat them as an actual labeled couple? Hell, they weren't even a couple in my opinion. We never saw a first kiss, never saw a date, never even saw more then 2 conversations with them. With the amount of time and effort the writers put into developing these characters, why would they not want to respect them and do them justice? We've seen a nice start to every relationship, I just think it's messed up to force us to watch main characters like ej and Gina be tormented and upset for a straight full season, especially after just forcing us to watch Gina be upset for a straight full season. I hated it. I didn't even like Rini and I HYSTERICALLY cried during that break up lol They should've had them explore the idea, come close, but not happen. Instead they were sloppy and said eh just throw Ej at her so we can finally do Rina. Boring.
@@jessiedobbiereactions again completely disagree and I think you’re viewing it through a goggle of someone that loved portwell which is to some extent understandable. They were a plot device Ship. Truly in every sense of the word. 🤷🏽♂️I think the bar was set too high for them when they were only ever going to get this season to begin with and that much was clear. Making them an actual couple has no correlation with having to respect them. Again so many ships in teen dramas that people loved have been done so dirty simply because they ended up being the plot device ship and that’s just.. how it is. I’ve been on the opposite end of it and while it’s not fun or the best I can’t help but acknowledge it for what it is. They never had time and that was meant to be the point. They rushed into this because they both craved affection and it didn’t work out. It’s rlly just that simple.
Going through the reaction and commenting.
-The camp is a metaphor, I do wish the wildcats weren't staying at camp for just 2 weeks so some of the impact could be felt more tho.
-It makes perfect sense for EJ to be doing this, he may value the traditions of the camp, but proving his father wrong would hold a higher priority. He also is participating somewhat in camp traditions by dressing up, but he's not fully involved.
- "This is not EJ" I think ppl overshoot how much development EJ has actually had, he became a funny character and then was used to make the sad girl (Gina) feel better and all this love started pouring in for him. But the 3 or 4 consistent things about EJ's character has not been developed.
- I too would have preferred for Portwell to not have been a couple, it should have been Jack.
- I think all the issues you have with Portwell's lack of good moments without the bad is proof that the ship was just a plot device. Although I would say the 5 episode build up in s2 and 3x01 to 3x04 are the good moments of Portwell.
- Rinas were annoyed about the canoe scene b/c of how EJ responded not b/c they thought it was out of character for him.
It's so real life to give out advice and not follow your own, EJ he's just like us ...at the same time as Gina states later on, EJ has already experienced this before.
-Yeah those 3 to 4 consistent things about EJ I mentioned before, the trying to shift blame/bring up Ricky is one of them.
i miss Jack
I miss Jack
honestly from what i’ve seen all rinas agree with you that they should have never been a couple. i think it’s why most of us were in denial during s2 that they were happening. we all wanted gina to move on before rina got together and for ricky to feel what she did but NOT with ej 😭😭 especially because plot device ships never really end well for the characters involved.
as a Rina I think they needed to happen because they're the plot device ship for a reason. These developments needed to take place and Gina needed to have her first actual romance before she got with Ricky.
@@TacosWillEatYou1 yes i agree i just mean i don’t think it should have happened with ej
@@user-fg4li6kd1q maybe not but I think again on EJ’s front it demonstrates this his whole world is opening up and it isn’t just this summer. He has more responsibility he needs to grow as a person here and he just doesn’t have time to hang around high schoolers after this is all said and done. I think it will be a lesson for EJ too.
@@TacosWillEatYou1 I agree that Gina needed a first romance before Ricky, but that’s why I feel
like they just should have explored the flirtation during summer camp instead of making portwell an actual couple. It would’ve hurts less and have been more understandable. I feel like they made a complete joke out of the relationship and it feels insulting.
@@jessiedobbiereactions But honestly that's how some relationships are. They can start with a spark and then when your in it the relationship is different. Also EJ buying her a plane ticket just means he is a nice guy but it doesn't mean he is a nice boyfriend for Gina. Honestly if he wasn't the director I still think the breakup would have happened regardless.
Truthfully like some people have mentioned in the comments in the past couple of weeks communication is not EJ’s strong point and he seems to do great at the beginning of a relationship but when he’s actually in the midst of it he falls off. now you could say some of the decisions made are the writers but some of them are character traits that he has and they put him in this situation to show that he hasn’t evolved.
And like everyone’s been saying for the past couple of weeks the show is important so things like camp prom fall off. However Gina makes points in she and him are not in the same place, the directing is an allegory for him actually going out in real life and having these obstacles and the fact that they would not get each other🤷🏾♀️
Also something that is a very in character for him, whenever his relationships start going sideways because of some things he’s done he always find a way to blame Ricky… He hasn’t grown and he never says sorry, he has not apologised to Gina for what he’s done or how he’s made her feel
I agree with all of that, except for the non growth, I felt like they showed us nothing but growth for him in season 2. If this is what was going to happen, I almost wish they didn't shwo any growth of start of it in season 2 because it would've made a lot more sense to me.
While the writing for this season hasn’t been perfect (it wasn’t for S1 either) I still far prefer it over S2. S2 had a million different storylines going on and only a few small amount of them had satisfying conclusions. While others felt very unsatisfactory, Prime examples are burning the manke results, Kourtney never learns Howie stole the beast harness and neither does Ricky about Lily until the first episode of this season, we never even saw the result of Mr Mazara confessing his feelings for Miss Jen? Not to mention Ricky and Gina did not have a single scene together after episode 6 so they just left us on that cliffhanger all the way until episode 2 of this season. Not to mention the extremely underwhelming S2 finale which imo is easily the worst episode of the show. The competition with North High also felt extremely childish and I had a hard time actually caring for that storyline at all. With this season they’ve addressed and tried to correct some of the unfinished storylines from last season, and I feel this season has brought back the fun and engaging drama from S1. I think the summer camp also helps serve that as well (the comedy has been much better as well). Sorry I didn’t mean to rant for so long lol but I just rewatched S2 recently and honestly had a hard time finishing it because I lost interest in the last couple episodes. Which is also why I think this season is only 8 episodes, compared to 12 from S2. Some storylines do feel contrived and forced in which you rightly pointed out, but overall a major improvement over s2 and depending on this finale it has the potential to top S1 for me.
With as many plot hole has it had I still really liked season 2, but that could also be because I am a hug beauty and the beast fan!
@@jessiedobbiereactions haha fair enough thank you for taking time out of your day to read comments and respond!!!
@@tommygun3727 Thank you for the support!
love seeing all the comments in agreement regarding EJ's character. anyone who believes he developed in s2 is in denial and needs to stop coddling him. (complete rant about the breakup situation and ej's character on Jessie portwell breakup video)
I have absolutely no idea how you could think Ej having development in season 2 is denial lol His whole entire arch is literally him improving from his wrong doings and tryign to do right since Season 2 episode one all the way t the finale.
@@jessiedobbiereactions look i respect your opinion but you're missing the point. EJ's entire "development" happened when he was single. He just became less self absorbed and little more part of the ensemble. He never actually developed when it came to him being in a relationship. I left a really long comment on your video where you posted the portwell breakup clip pls check that if you hvnt already i explained it a lil there. I completely understand why you are upset, I was too initially but then i understood some things taking in other people's perspectives on the situation and holding EJ responsible more instead of just wanting him to have a perfect arc (as i discussed in that comment) and now eventhough im a little bummed they did most of the plot progression at EJ's expense i can see where his character will go in the future that'll be better for him and will be a proper character arc. Just because someone develops a little dsnt mean its all perfect sailing from there. That never happens in real life you are often forced to revert back to your bad habits and thats the true test of character. you're thrown into the same situations by life till you learn and get it right.
@@lilbrownbear Idk, if my problem was just with the EJ situation then maybe I would agree with you, but there have been so many messy random things that happened this season that just don’t make sense or we’re incomplete and as a whole it felt too dumb. Where was Val for half the freaking season? Lol She was a huge part and then went Mia during very important episodes like this dance. Ashlyn is completely ignoring the fact that she has a significant other, also, where was one conversation with her and Ej? They had tons of them in S1 and 2 showing how close they were and I don’t think they talked once. Ricky sings a song about finally being him and and finding himself, well was it in Gina’s eyes? Because all he did was nervously stare at her in every episode. Kourtney and Carlos all of a sudden has major issues that are all of a sudden addressed in 1 episode. The comedy was spot on as always, the story was insanely all over the place.
@@jessiedobbiereactions those are all understandable complains but I'd suggest to just sit with the episode and frankly not take a disney+ show that only had 8eps this season this seriously. Val is a minor character she was introduced this season and isnt gonna be in the next one so as much as i feel she was underused i dont rly see how they could've used her more by just randomly throwing her in like u said that would feel so awkward and jarring. im sure she's gonna be there next episode. i think you just like meg a lot and wanna see more of her which relatable but her character is frankly not that interesting and is literally a plot device. Ashlyn has been yelling at everyone how she has a MALE BOYFRIEND how can you say she forgot about bigred??? sure she may not have mentioned him in this ep but he has been brought up several times before. As for Ashlyn amd EJ, he has literally not had time to talk to ANYONE. personally i feel like this isnt that big of a deal on the contrary it shows how EJ's world is different now. Ashlyn was a sophmore amd will be a junior now while EJ has to enter adulthood they have different struggles amd this season was about the summer of fun and they both spent it the way it fit them more. not everything can be jammed in, thats what s2 did wrong. Ricky's song was about being free from his own fears amd emotional baggage and he HAD found himself within that moment. He has been nothing but a good friend to EVERYONE including gina. just because he was heart eyes towards her in this ep and WDYKAL song sequence you cant undermine everything else he has been doing???? he was nervous this episode because he was planning to confess everything to her and wouldnt you be??? not only is that terrifying for obvious reasons he didnt want to step over and cause issues between portwell which might i add he did make several efforts to befriend ej who was not having it. I really dont understand where all this criticism is suddenly coming from on your side. i thought you were enjoying the season and now this episode happens and you're completely switched and hate everything???? the only valid criticism i can see is with kourtney and carlos's storyline which i also felt they introduced a little late but that does not undermine the arc one bit imo. the comment you made during your reaction that its all "fixed" in one episode??? im sorry but thats not how anxiety and body dysmorphia works. just because they were brave enough to face their fears and insecurities dsnt mean they're gone now and everything is magically perfect.
i love your reactions and point of views and always wait for you to drop the videos immediately after an episode is release but they way you keep hanging on to the same thing that so many people have explained now in both parts of the reaction, you're just choosing to believe what you want. I respect you a lot and thats why i urge that you please reconsider the narrative you have going on.
@@lilbrownbear You are totally right, this episode did change my feelings on the whole season. I still really loved certain scenes and the last few episodes were great, but to end it like this is so sloppy and I'm sorry if you disagree, but that's my opinion. I respect you and your opinions too, but I'm not going to change my narrative because you urge me to. I'm simply entitled to interpret things how I do just as you are to interpret them how you do. There are def plenty of people who agree with you, but there are also people who agree with me, and were not all going to change our feelings because you and others say so lol I don't fight in the comments, I debate if there's a disagreement which is very different. If you're uncomfortable then you don't have to respond to this, but it's really unfair to say I'm choosing to believe what I want just because I see it in a different way and you don't like that way because you see it different. If people don't want to watch my video because I don't agree with them then that's a sad small world to only live in, but they can go where people agree with them all the time if they want. I wouldn't take a Disney+ show this seriously if the first 2 season weren't so well developed, but they were, and this one, while funny, just doesn't compare for me which is why I'm voicing my dislike instead of just accepting the issues. Sure, Val is a minor character, but she is also a main counselor. They 100% could have used her more. Having her say, "EJ, this is what I found out." Instead of having Maddox say, "Hey Ej, have you talked to Val? No? Well this is what she heard and told me." would not have been randomly throwing her in. Having her say something about the cast list change to Carlos when she literally made the cast list instead of Maddox, would not have felt awkward. What was jarring is everyone having conversations about a character who was just here and now isn't even in the background as if she is a ghost who never existed. Like honestly, if she ends up being Suzy Fine that would make more sense as opposed to her just missing lol You can't just keep saying eh, it's a plot device. Being a plot device does not give it the excuse to be super sloppy. Ashlyn, you make a great point, she was screaming about Red at first. So would it not make sense to show at least a tab bit of concern as to how she is going to handle this situation with him? Especially after they had that adorable moment in the season 2 finale showing just how strong their relationship was. Also, Ej and Ashlyn having a talk wouldn't have been jamming too much in. It was made known since season 1 that they are a VERY close family, like babies growing up together close. That closeness doesn't change because he's busy at summer camp, they are family. 1 conversation would've been fine, and it wouldn't have to even be a long one or go well. It just doesn't make sense for her to not be the slightest concerned about her cousin who she considers a brother after all they've show us with them 2. I was fine and understanding up until your comment about what I said in regards to Kourt and Carlos, that was a bit insulting honestly. I know that's not how anxiety and dysmorphia work, which is literally why I said it the way I did. If you don't remember, I've mentioned in previous reactions this season that I deal with anxiety, and I take it VERY seriously. They aren't fixed and for the show to pretend as if they are is ridiculous and that's what they're making it seems like. Maybe they will touch on it more in the future, but to handle such serious issues so poorly, as in not giving it barley any screen time yet still have time for a song somehow, is in bad taste for me. Carlos mentions like 2 times he doesn't want to take his shirt off in 1 episode and then all of a sudden he's wiping it off just because. Why? What happened that helped him over come this? Singing Wouldn't change a thing? Becuase I didn't see anything that showed it. They made a joke out of it, like many other things, and I really did not like it.
Let’s be honest, EJ has always been competitive and seeking the approval of his father. EJ going all out at trying to get this musical to go perfectly makes sense to me. Sure, it might have started as a way to stay with Gina, but EJ wants his father to be proud of him. I think that is his top priority, but unintentional.
being dissapointed in ej i get, but like claiming that it's against his character, i don't really agree with. his strong point with gina was never his communication with her. like at the end of season two when after his talk with gina's brother, he like just flaked on her. this isn't new. ej's strong point was that he noticed her at a time when she felt out of place and alone (which i think gina was looking for at that point last season). i think their relationship was always going to end up where it did and it makes sense.
also regardless of where you are on that, the arc that was given to ej WAS given to ej and its very unfair to expect gina not to respond to it the way she did. if we're really on her side, we do not want her to be in a relationship that makes her feel that way. i don't want her to ever feel like that again (and i'm very proud of her for recognizing she's worth more than this relationship was able to give her)
i too felt physically ill
I don’t think EJ is being written as the villain of some sorts and it does make sense. He’s so focused on this play because he thinks it’ll solve all his problems so he isn’t focused on what’s going on around him. Yet his focus on this to stay in salt lake and be with Gina is what made him also lose Gina. He was generally coming from a good place
There lives are simply in different stages. She’s a junior in Highschool and he’s an adult.
I must say it. After seeing Elvis Ej looks like a good young Elvis
I can see it!
Well they never had a real relationship. Like this takes places right after the "get together"
That's my point, they never showed us anything so why even start it? Oh, so Gina could have a bf to dump to date Ricky. It's just so silly to me!
I'm honestly really disappointed in Ej and I say that as a big EJ fan ,I know he's stressed, but he just walked out instead with his girlfriend??? And bring up Ricky was honestly a bit of low blow bc Gina has been trying for ej all summer I also think that Gina reason for the break up are really valid I think she right the age gap the fact that he graduated but, mostly important Gina stay in school she finally found her family had a place to put down her roots she want stability, and dependability not constant change come , and never know what next.
That’s why I really feel like they shouldn’t have made them an actual couple. If they weren’t an actual couple EJ being so absent minded wouldn’t have come off as being so cruel to Gina, but it still would have made an impact on their decision to not be together.
I loved Elton in season 1 I’m so happy they broke up
Hell after this sh*t show of a summer now I am too lol
I think EJ hasn’t adjusted to the fact that he graduated and is a adult. I believe the fact that he isn’t just a camper but leader and in charge this year symbolizes that. As you get older you gain more and more responsibilities and part of getting older is learning how to manage these things. EJ hasn’t been able to this season. He hasn’t learn to manage work with his relationship. He’s so caught up in his responsibilities that he doesn’t give Gina the attention she deserves. Sometimes not until there is a Ricky moment than he like he starts trying to focus on her. Which feels more so out of jealous or fear because of Gina and Ricky past. two people in a relationship. One with few responsibilities and one with a ton. It’s very hard to work out, EJ is not currently capable. And with Gina trying to have some type of stability in her life, it’s not good for her.
I want Rina, but it’s sad to see this.
I swear the last episode will make me a little nervous cause I feel that there's going to be a big twist in the end that will shock every viewer watching.
I hope so because pretty much nothing has shocked me at this point lol
They did Kourtney wrong with the auto tune song
It did sound a bit off since her voice is known to be so strong!
I can’t wait to see this again later ❤❤❤❤❤
It's clear that they reverted EJ's character to make up a reason why Portwell wouldn't last and that's just frustrating. Like you said they didn't need to have them in an official relationship at all.
I don’t understand why they decided to mess with the progression they made in each character 🤦♀️
I just wanted to add that I hope you don't take my comments as mean spirited or argumentative or invalidating, one of the things I like about you as a reactor is that you're passionate about what you like and your ships.
I also find it fascinating to see how differently Rinis/Portwells view this show in comparison to Rinas.
Not at all! Unless someone starts directly insulting me I always take every comment as a friendly debate lol
my thing is why would he leave the dance. it makes no sense
Right? Let me give Madison this wonderful advice and then go check on Elsa’s castle. 🤦♀️🤣
fr ive seen Ej and Gina stans blaming it all on ricky thats jumped from girl to girl when tbh ricky and nini were broken up in s1 still had his feeling for nini and started having feelings for Gina before she started having feelings for him but ricky was still a bit confused and just sticked to nini because that love bubble was his safety net and what he was always use to and nini at the end of season 1 gets back with ricky because she seen him getting close with gina and she felt some way then in season 2 ricky was still holding onto the old nini and ricky relationship while nini wanted to be with him but change and ricky didnt want that thats when they broke up and the writers just put gina and ej together for the sake of it and tbh they didnt really have no bonding time getting to know each other like with Gina and Ricky from season 1 to 3 it has been slow burning and gina has been pushing those feelings for ricky away and just jumped into that relationship with Ej because of that right person just has to show up and it was Ej at the airport and she believes that could be the sign but really he saw her post and went because its like tonights episode Gina and ricky will go different ways but end up bumping into eachother so tbh i just think Ej just needs to work on himself just like what Nini done focus on whatever else then a relationship
I disagree with most of what you said about it not making sense. It made enough sense to me without being perfect. But I still love your reaction anyway. I was more of a Rini stan instead of Portwell or Rina so I think I might have just a touch more objectivity on what the show is doing atm.
Is it known if we are getting Nini in the finale? I feel like we have to!
Part 2 pls :)
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I completely agree with you about everything Ej/Gina related. The writing for them this season was pretty sloppy. Also, I see a lot of people saying EJ was never good at communication, which maybe he wasn't. However, Gina was not good at communicating with EJ either. I don't think she really tried to have a clear conversation with him about what was bothering her until she was breaking up with him. I guess we have to push the Rina train along though. I'll eventually accept it, but I don't love it. 🙂
I like that you brought up how Gina isn’t being a great communicator either. I really just hate that they gave their relationship two weeks as a way for Gina to have her first relationship. A two week relationship does not count as an actual real relationship for me, but oh well! I just hope they do EJ a little bit of justice in the finale. I do embrace Rina with open arms for next season, as long as it’s done right.
i think thay reserert enofeh he shold en jory the dance
No One’s Like Gina
Ricky sure does
I hope in season 4 we just see EJ go full villain. Drop all the pretense, declare vengeance against Ricky, team up with Lily (maybe date her), the whole 9
LOVE it 🤣😂
Lmaoo teaming up with Lily would be wild. I'm not sure if we're going to see him again though because he has graduated - so did Howie - Jet's probably going to replace Howie because luckily he's been thrown out of school lol. Did we ever get news about Mr Mazzara leaving the school or not? EJ is done with school and might take the gap year. Or he could start working with Mr Mazzara at East High, depending on if he's staying
@@xapokalypse I don’t remember getting one word about Mr. Mazara and I miss him so much! I have a feeling that’s what we are going to see next season, Ej working with Mr. M next year because he wanted to leave after Miss Jen turned him down
How would we see him tho? Doesn't he go to college or will he take a gap year to stay at school?