The 3 Kinds of Superhero ORIGIN STORIES! || Comic Misconceptions || NerdSync
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2016
- Comic book superheroes have some of the greatest (and sometimes lamest) origin stories. But what exactly is an origin story, and why do we as readers care about them so much? Today, we're breaking down the three kinds of superhero origins, and what elements they need to include to help establish the character and the world they live in. Most importantly, we're not just teaching you how to write origin stories, but we're also exploring the psychological reasons why they are important, and why almost every comic book movie is doing it wrong! Plus, should some characters' origins be left ambiguous? All this and more on Comic Misconceptions!
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My origin is that I was bitten by a radioactive lightning bolt and thrown into a volcano that spews jetpacks.
And THEN given mongoose blood?
+Samuel Shaw yes
"He wasn't struck by a radioactive lighting bolt and thrown into a volcano the spews jet packs... He was chosen by it."
+Scott Niswander WTF
***** I wish!
"Oh, Superman is the last survivor of Krypton!"
Then comes along Supergirl, General Zod, Faora, and a few others.
Don't forget Krypto!
Exactly! It all depends on what you classify as "living" - criminals in a phantom zone, etc. would indicate that Superman was not the last survivor of Krypton, unless Kryptonian society strips the right to life or recognition of life legal status away from criminals and prisoners?
@@sigmacademy no they just want it to sound dramatic.
I think we can consider the Last Survivor as being the Last New Born of Krypton before exploded, although whatever other babies born before or during the explosion of Krypton is irrelevant for the story, Superman is the Youngest survivor of Krypton, and the youngest is the last one to be born, by that logic Superman is the Last Survivor of Krypton.
Remember that a whole kryptonian city gets saved by Brainiac.
The difference between a hero and a villain. Batman says it best:
"We have both seen into the abyss. But when it looked back at us... You blinked."
+Matthew Graham
^this quote
Well when I looked into the abyss. It gave me a gun.
Takeaway: Don't lose a staring contest with the abyss or you'll become a villain.
@@Nicknock-rw4go well that's dark
@@Nicknock-rw4go anti hero? 😅
I think characters like Aquaman and Black Panther have the best origins. They can have anything they want, but their biggest goal is protecting their people.
Nikita Ivachtchenko I absolutely LOVE that kind of heroes!
Nikita Ivachtchenko what do you think of Namor?
EPM 101 good ol submariner I want to pick up some of his comics
@Gaming Master Same!
Yeah me too I think Aquaman and black panther origin or Ashley awesome sometimes very much going to be Batman because he makes fears of criminals
I feel like what makes Marvel and DC different is what kind of heroes they make...Marvel makes heroes based off of normal everyday people and they're characters that you relate to more than DC heroes
DC however make legendary characters, basically mythological gods and characters that you look up to
In other words
Marvel- social commentary and modern allegory
DC- modern day mythology
BTW I love both of these companies and I'm not rooting on or the other
Marvel = English Romanticism
DC = Greek/Roman Mythology
+carloswachuwa13 basically :)
+Deebo Molina Which would make Batman almost a marvel character in a DC world then?
+Roboshi no because he does things and has tools that most superheroes that don't have or do...Daredevil is poor, Iron Man is an alcoholic, Black Panther cares about the world but always Wakanda on his mind
However Batman has all the good traits from IM, DD and BP but is a character you would look up to...also Batman is more legendary than Iron Man or other characters similar to BM
Dc = legends
Marvel is something new lol
Not every origin story HAS to come from tragedy. Barry Allen's original reason for becoming the Flash was the same reason he became a cop; because he was inspired by tales of Jay Garrick. That's it. He was inspired by (originally fiction, retconned post-Crisis as previous) heroes to become one. His parents were still alive. The whole murder thing was added fairly recent as DC tries to give Batman's motivation to everybody.
In fact, my favorite origins are ones where the hero becomes one because he/she has powers or some high-tech thing now and it's the right thing to do to use them to battle villains that are too powerful for the police or in ways they can't. Those seemed to have faded away in favor of trauma-only origins. That saddens me.
One Character that I have played in several games is a shape changer who takes on the form of a HUGE tiger. Sure, his mother died when he was a child, but it was the monks who raised him that instilled a sense of morality that led to his becoming a Bahg Khan (Tiger Lord.) The Bahg Khan exist to destroy evil. You identify evil not by what people say, but by what they do. Weretiger (an intensionally misleading name), sometimes called Rakshasa (also intentionally misleading) understands that his purpose on earth is to destroy evil. He is what most consider an anti-hero because he has no 'code vs killing' and will kill villains and their minions without remorse, though he uses restraint against the mearly stupid or selfish. His mother;s unfortunate death does not shade his actions or outlook because that wasn't the 'defining event' in his life.
I should add that he doesn't know who his father is, nor does his father know that he is his child or that he even had a child with Weretiger's mother.
ShadowWing Tronix I completely agree. I don’t understand why people believe that there are no good people in this world who just want to do good.
I also like it best when both of Superman's parents, the Kents, are alive. Sure in the Golden Age the Kents died of old age before Clark became Superman and Jonathan Kent died when Clark was still a teen in the Donner Superman movies but in Post-Crisis and Post-Doomsday Clock, both his parents are alive. The same in the DC Animated Universe. Not every Superhero has to be born of tragedy, just a powerful event that inspires them to do good.
Heck, before Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns and Alan Moore's Killing Joke, the death of Bruce's parents did not traumatize him, as it is portrayed today, but _motivated_ him to be a crime fighter so no one would suffer like he did.
@@foldabotZ My "favorite" version of the Kents passing was when Superboy was talked by the Kents into taking them on mission and they ended up catching a disease or something. They got to experience something amazing and then passed together. I prefer them passing together like with Jor-El and Lara. It's more...I'm not sure romantic is the right word but it's the best I can think up at the moment.
@@AngelAguilar-wr4qn because story-wise, that would make for a very bland and dry character unless you went overkill on their weaknesses
I do not know why this helped me, but as a person trying to write her own superhero comics, this helped me understand how origin stories should go and what to do with them.
I'm also writing a comic series!!!
Are they out yet?
You don't know why this video helped but you listed how it helped anyway....
@@penguinmaster2361 dude it's freaking hard to draw a panel in every freaking page and how to make it more relatable to audience and is different from what he point out. Not like Batman who was traumatized by his parents death. Spider-Man who destined to be bitten by radioactive spider cause the mysthic spider chooses him. And superman was lucky cause it almost kill all of his entire race cause of the explosion of the red sun.
In summary
Trauma
Destiny
And Luck.
I think my favorite origins are the ones that are really more of a lack of origin, like Tim Drake. Tim Drake's life was going fine, there was no radioactive spider or gamma bomb, no dead parent trauma (initially), just a kid who thought he could help and did. Superman's like that a lot, too: he does what he does because he can and feels he should. Whether he came from Krypton or Kansas, he would still be helping people in whatever way he can. Those are my favorites because they're the most human, the most relatable, and the most transferable. People try to romanticize Batman, saying that anyone could be Batman, since he's just a guy, but no, Batman was created by a perfect storm of circumstance. Tim Drake just did it. Shit, Carrie Kelley literally just bought a costume from a drug store and started going after crime. These guys remind us that anyone can make this world better, anyone can make a difference if they just go out there and give it their all.
Very true. People tend to forget that Bruce could have gone either the Punisher route, or even Lex Luthor route - by having money, and therefore access to some power, they could have tried to reshape the world in their own image, either at the end of gun or through privilege and connections. Or even as a crime lord himself. His trauma could easily have manifested itself into murderous anger, making him even more dangerous than the Joker.
@@sigmacademy Yeah, you are right. I could think how to make a villain from Batman's origin story and I believe everyone could too. It is easy. Just twist it a little bit. "From that night on, Bruce hates criminal. The very same type of weapon, gun, that takes his parents' lives will now be used by him to take the lives of scums that reminded him of his parents' murderer, criminals. Now he becomes a villain that swears to kill all criminals and will go even as far as killing any hindrance that will prevent him achieving that goal. His name is Batman, the villain of Gotham."
12:22 but... TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THAT IN A CAVE!
WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO CRAP IN A CAVE - Alpackahawk
According to the movie terrorists were forcing him to build weapons, and he built the armor out of the materials they gave him.
I'm sorry. He's not Tony Stark
@@danielallen4450 uh what
Well I'm sorry, sir, but...he's not Tony Stark
batman has the only real super power... super money
+power armor
MANTIS Which took loads of money to make lol
Jorge Octavio Colmenero Deadpool has a super penis
@@blackice8043 Not according to the part right after he was torn in two and busy regenerating. ;) :P
His power is super-dedication.
the day dc gives the joker a legit, canon, origin story will be the day I finally grow up, and leave my comic filled childhood behind
+Eskew Roberts you know you'd still go back
yeah, you are probably right lol
+Eskew Roberts Well i guess it will be this summer then. Happy growing up!
+Eskew Roberts Perhaps DC is indecisive about this character's origin?
I think the nearest he has as a canonical origin is that he has a multiple choice origin (Alan Moore's idea)...
There are 3 hero origins.And then there is Deadpool.
+Andrea Petro ehhh he's more of an anti-hero and the earliest of his origin isn't off much. How he got to where he is now is basically just him being him though.
@@TheLegless101 r/wooossshhh
@@underscore_ditto I get the joke, but it's not entirely correct my guy. Also this was two years ago and I'm surprised I remembered what I was
even talking about here.
@@TheLegless101 thats fair
He maybe super, but he is no hero
I feel that we love origin stories the way we do not because we want to "understand" or "humanize" the character, but because we need to know why should we root for them. This is true for both the heroes and the villains
We need something to empathize with. All of us want to be able to fly,but most of us prefer to be Superman over, for example, Captain Atom, because we can relate more to the life and struggles of good old Clark, the farmer, than Nathaniel, the nuclear soldier.
Excellent point! But I wonder if we can achieve this same empathizing goal without the need for origins. If we can see who a character is now and root for them without needing to know their past. What do you think?
Oh, I think we can, but the origin story is like... a safer bet?
An origin story, as you said, gives us insight about why a character does what he does. Maybe I can't really empathize with The Penguin, as I see him as just a murderous gangster and whatnot. But I can relate to Oswald Cobblepot. I get to know why he is who he is now.
What I'm trying to say (even though I can't really find the correct words to do so) is that, even though we can root for a character just by seeing it today (We can all root for Spiderman when we see him saving orphans on a fire), by seeing how they became who they are, we can kind of "forgive" the things that didn't let us really connect with them.
Maybe, now that I think about it, it does have a lot to do with understanding the character, but not for the sake of it, but because understanding them lets us root for them.
Does that make sense?
Absolutely! Thanks so much for writing this!
Oh, no, thanks to you for reading my babbling XD
Keep up the great work!
“Why are we so fascinated with origin stories?”
Because without origin stories we wouldn’t know who these characters are today and what motivates them to do what they do. Origin stories are ALWAYS important.
actually, that whole thing about how the hero and villain can go through the same things and come out completely different is something I'm toying with exploring in a superhero webcomic I'm drafting.
+Jayden Crowe
In my estimation, the "origin story" is the shortest possible way of answering the question "who are you?" I'm much more interested in the "normal" mutants from the Marvel Universe who HAVE super-powers but struggle to live a life like everyone else rather than get drawn into the X-men's drama. The Jessica Jones series was AMAZING for that with their version of Luke Cage.
+Grizabeebles
True. Maybe "backstory" is a better word for what I'm referring to.
Harry Potter is a bit like this, strangely enough.
Wonder how that draft came out
A summary for when I come back here again.
Trauma
Destiny
Luck
@@goldenface9654 Double the ingredient?
"There is a difference between you and me. We both looked into the abyss, but when it looked back at us... you blinked."
- Batman to Owlman
+Shady Doorags it doesn't matter
@@karaokekingskingdom shut up it’s a good quote
@@CricketsTavern I was replying as owlman would have, with his final words in the story
@@karaokekingskingdom legend replied 5 years later lmfao
I've invented a character who just decided to be a hero when she got her power, and just though why not. But then she struggles because it is ruining her life, but she can't stop because she realises that when she doesn't people die, so she gets on with it and sacrifices herself for the greater good. What category would that fit in?
chance
keep that idea that sounds like a good story it doesn't belong in a youtube comment section
Resignation, rather than "With great powers comes great responcibility." Occasionally you have characters who would rather not have the powers and just live normal lives, but circumstances just keep dragging them back into conflict with bad guys. This was the story of Havoc, brother of Cyclops. He just wanted to be left along, but bad guys kept intruding on his planet and he would be forced to deal with them to keep his family safe.
that sounds like alot great story my interest is peaked
I'm working on a super hero too. we should do a crossover
I always appreciated heroes that have had to train hard to become what they are, especially when that training is ongoing. That is one of the things I always liked about dragon ball z. All the characters, but especially holy and vegeta, train super hard (hyperbolic time chamber/room of spirit and time anyone?). One thing that kinda always bothered me though is how vegeta always seemed one step behind goku, despite how hard he always trains....
What you are talking about is called Character Progression. A lot of comics just gloss over this, introducing new powers when it is convenient without ever showing the characetrs working to enhance/expand/hone/increase their abilities. 'Golden Age" Superman was the worst, every other comic had him inventing some super power to save the day that we would never ever see again.
In X-men they used the Danger Room to work on their abilities and skills and this fits into the idea of working to get better. There are so few skill based supers like Batman or Multipleman (sure he could make copies of himself, but that was his only power) and even then they rarely cover training to become better at what you do.
The Jester - Fool Of Hearts it's pretty good, but I'm burnt out on "family/friends/roommates/strangers die, hero swears vengeance" trope.
Goku always being ahead of Vegeta is simply because Goku is the main protagonist and Vegeta is his rival - if the rival does better than the protagonist, it's usually just to serve as the protagonist's goal to overcome, which Vegeta only does for Goku when he's clearly evil (via his own pride and superiority from his arrival on Earth with Nappa or through possession by another villain like Babidi or Baby.)
Goku will always be the main lead for Dragon Ball, has been since the very beginning, so he must always be somehow ahead of Vegeta no matter how much training the Prince of All Saiyans does to try and best him, that's just the way it is.
I always thought it kinda served to show somthibg like how vegeta is highly prudfull with ego , as he is the Prince of All Sayians , was destined to rule the planet.
But Goku , someone born of a lower class sayian , is his rival which is kinda a forced humility by life , that no one really is entitled, that's why Goku and Vegeta are actually equal in my opinion , just that Goku has had more experiences as he was always fighting and strugglein against someone who was stronger and Vegeta was naturally strong , but probably didn't struggle as much with anyone in the beginning of his life.
Plus you can also count cell saga where Gohan was stronger than everyone.
@@SirFailsalot91 if a story is the way it is, "just because" then that's bad storytelling. though, it's a bad message for the proud one to be glamorized. since vegeta is consistently bested by goku, i'd expect for vegeta to grow more humble- hence realizing the need to train. it's been awhile since I've watched, but I think that is at least hinted at. now, if there was a reason like, since athletic performance is mostly determined by the mind, and vegeta is unwilling to be honest about his feelings (inferiority/surprise/admiration/respect/anything) towards goku, that he never really performs his best when he consciously realizes that the two are competing... that would be huge. I'm hoping that goku was raised with the earth's ideas of mental training you might expect of a monk, and that he is therefore better prepared for handling his thoughts/feelings explaining his relaxed/happy mentality, and better performance.
I like this headcannon, I think I'm going to keep it.
This video was immensely helpful. I've been writing a novel for a few years and had been struggling to reinforce the why of my protagonist. This video gave me the lightbulb moment.
There's no royalties in it for you haha but I am immensely grateful and will definitely pop a mention on the thank you page once it's finished.
Thank you.
aye fam could I get an early copy??
+DAVICIOUSX kewl
Did it come out yet?
I hope you have an awesome cover. 😺
Where it at?
3 general types of transformation:
6:38 trauma
7:05 destiny
7:53 chance/luck
Thank you for this
@@rawburtmartinez 👍
I was born
Did I do good?
Duuudeee sammmeee
Same story here
TAJ Comix That's kind of scary.
No, Go bacc where you came from
♡
Copyright man sry
Awesome video.
ayyy
Thanks, man! Always appreciate it!
Ayyyy what you doing here
Mr Sunday Movies How is this guy not verified?
Scott, I love how you format your show. Every episode is well written and keeps my attention the whole way through. Keep up the good work!
regarding Spider-man, when he fought his first super-villain, the Vulture, he actually wasn't trying to defeat him. He was merely tailing him as Spider-man to get photos to sell to Jameson. Vulture didn't like being followed and attacked him. So Spidey's road to crime fighting was kind of organic.
Phil V Actually...that's partially true. Peter had already faced off against the Chameleon by that point so he had already fought some crime. But supercrime was kind of new.
Headcanon a crazy origin story for NerdSync. GO!
Once there was a boy who had no friends so he read comics his parents were shot in an alley way, his planet blew up, he was struck by a bolt of lightning and was the chosen one, the chosen nerd. From then on he used his amazing researching powers to create NERDSYNC the world's nerdiest superhero
+Eden Hetzroni made that up on the spot you put me under pressure the Scott ;)
+Eden Hetzroni *there
+Eden Hetzroni that origin was retconned you dum dum! XD
+Deebo Molina Nerdsync's origin is when Scott was a kid, he saw a camera but the camera only spook to him in obscure comic book references...however one day his parents came into his room and all over the room's walls were written random comic book quotes like "you're one bad day to becoming me" and "I am the night" and desperately they researched and found out that these were comic books...so as they began to collect comic books, Scott began to see all the boxes and receipts from the CB stores and wondered where are the comics, but terror struck!! When Scott picked up The Flash and opened it up to Mopey's introduction...the wizard came out of the page and placed Scott's Parents into the camera and Mopey said, " in order to find your parents...your inner Nerd must be in Sync!" Thus Scott began the UA-cam channel Nerdsync, in hopes that his parents will be freed from the camera that Mopey put them into!
This actually really helped me with the development of my own characters story and I am rushing for a pen and paper to write down the ideas that you have given me, love this channel.
Dear Scott, it has been months since I stared following your channel and although I am way too novice to be called a comic book nerd, I must admit you have given me a fresh new perspective on comics. I wanted to share with you that this particular episode on comic origins is the best one yet and has really struck a chord with me. We all face multiple adversities in our life and have to struggle to make meaning out of it, how trivial it might be. But this video has reminded me why I love comics so much, not only because of the flair and pomp, but because it gives me a little bit of hope to try be a better person and rise above the struggle. I wish I could feature in your centennial video but have nothing to offer as interesting as you discuss here. I thank you again for making my day and keep up the good work.
does anybody remember that movie Unbreakable by M Night Shyamalan, like how he said most superhero movies spend 33% on the origin story this movie was all origin story. if you never saw that movie you should check it out, it stars Bruce Willis and Samuel L Jackson
Yes, that was a really cool story.
The third movie in the series of movies is going to be Glass - it stars Bruce Willis, Samuel L Jackson and James McAvoy as 3 super-powered individuals heading for a conflict, all while detained within the same building.
Wow. I'm a Life Coach and Motivational Speaker who loves comics and am definitely sharing this video with a couple clients of mine.
Let adversity not define you, but rather choose to define it.
Bravo.
Change your name to Travis Scott and you may/may not get more clients
Results may vary.
totally awesome video Nerdsync! this is my most favorite video and congratulations on your 100th video!!! here's to a thousand more!!!
Scott!!!! You're take on all comic information is magnificent! I'm an avid viewer of NC! I love how you tie real world content to the comics info. I truly grow in intellectually in my love for comics. I'm glad to have you as a reliable source of straight forward well put together nerdy pop culture info! Thank you Scott, my fellow true believer!!!
✊😎
Near the end you mentioned that superheroes and villains have different reactions to "one bad day". What if Batman became a villain? What made him become a good guy? If somebody killed my parents, I would probably be a villain and seek revenge but that's just me.
You should read up on Prometheus (who is one of the few people to have ever beat Batman in a fistfight, by the way) if you haven't already. He is basically exactly that. He's like the dark mirror of Batman.
While the deaths of Bruces parents is the trauma, it is not realy the difing moment. It is when Detective (later Commissioner) Gordon puts his caot around Bruce and comforts him, and later befriends him) that is the defining moment. It is the reaction and later actions of this man that promts Bruce to become a force for good, even if he is a vigilante some of the time.
Deathstroke is basically Evil Batman; that's why he's Robin's foil most of the time; he's all the worst aspects of Robin's mentor.
6:38 is the beginning of the title
Zenkaichi DeadnAlive thank. U
Got a ad. lol
awesome job Scott, per usual. this is easily becoming my favorite channel with each post. keep it up.
This is one of your best videos. A wonderful combination of fun, thorough research, your own opinions, and profound insight. Well done, good sir.
Deadpools movie did a great job with the non linear origin
Hey Scott could you make a video about superheroes and how to classify them in terms of their abilities and tool?
I like this idea
You're doing a great job here, man! Really shows how much effort you put into your videos.
This is probably my favorite NerdSync video of all time! And I've watched almost all of them!
Dude, you're like the Veritasium for comics. Well done!
by the power cosmic that Intro was amazing!
+Norrin Radd IKR
Your lighting keeps getting better in these videos - that strong key light just makes it look so professional!
This is the most unique comic channel! Never stop making videos dude! This concept is amazing! Lots of superpowers to you!
I made a super hero called Captain Nimbus, he can control smoke, wind, air, clouds, etc. He was a Captain for the U.S. Army when he was exposed to minor radiation from a bomb that had been dropped about half a mile away, but he escaped into a helicopter to get away from the explosion, then when he flies into the clouds, the clouds fuse into his body allowing him to control wind, and when he gets back he gets really depressed because all of his men had died so he makes an oath to himself to avenge his comrades and to put an end to unjust evil.
Cool here some of my characters. Let me know if you wanna know their powers ( just some of them are here)
Maskot
Sector
Warfighter
Rid
the sinner
Riser
Light beam
Spirit
Wizery
X
Stone
Commander slaughter
Half blooded
Blood core
Skull
Desire thanks and i only think mortal kombat used sector. But it was spelled differenytly 💪😀
Dante The Demon Slayer ok
Maskot has massive strength he got his powers from a strange blue liquid so lets say he wanted his arm to be strong quickly ittl turn blue and light. He can regenerat awfulky fast. If u cut off his head itll grow faster than 1 second. He ends up getting stronger where he can brake dimaond by poking it
Secter has similar abilitues because maskot is his power but has a high tech suit that helps him in battle
Wizery can bassicly do anything u think of. He is a sourcer but can do much more
Warfighter is a soldier trained where secter also got trained
Rid receives powers from gods wgen they die. He can control ur mind or take ur soul he also can brainwash u he trained secter and warfighter..let ne know if u want to know more
@Dante The Demon Slayer hlad to know that. Thanks
@Dante The Demon Slayer
Warfighter and his brother half blooded end up fighting against their own army to defeat their evil leader who made the army commander slaughter, also rid
I'm making a comic Batman spoof, except he's a corn, and a hawk.
It started as an anti-vegan joke, "SAVE THE VEGETABLES"
Then, it turned pretty original. I think, while keeping the vibe of Batman.
ANYWAYS ENOUGH WITH THAT NIT-WIT!
His father got eaten, his mother married an abusive man afterwards, he turns into an alcoholic, he gets kicked out from the house, he's homeless, gets drugged, sent to prison, police found evidence of drugging, releases him, is on trial, someone gives him a briefcase ("someone" is the first villain), gets rich from that, gets a good school, courses in technology, and computer science, learns martial arts, and improved science. The first villain sets up a first technological attack (Percy made an AI and HH corrupted the system, so that it would follow his orders), not knowing it was Percy (our protagonist) and gets traced, Percy tried to invade him. Percy is injured, he retreats, his city is attacked, his mother dies in his arms, her last words "Your father will see me, but I may not see him." (as she knows she's going to hell for what she's done to her family) he immediately found evidence that Hooded Hack (the first villain) did it. He sets out with armor, gets attacked, and goes with the signature present day armor. Is it too sad or edgy?
It's like Ralph Wrecks the Internet.... on steroids. :P :)
I gotta say, your videos are so good you are so high quality man I respect that. thanks! great video.
Weird to think I'm not new here anymore. Seems like only yesterday I found your channel. Awesome video man, can't wait to see what you do next week to celebrate
Hi nerd sync!! Love the channel and can't wait to see my clip in the hundredth video! (😤can't waaaaaiiiiitttt)
HUZZAH!
Lol right?
Same here.
When's the 100th video?
This coming Wednesday!
Personally I love the Flash's origin. (Bit bias because Flash is my favorite) It's what makes him a better version of batman. One who wants to do good in the light as a good person (and a good character, sorry bat fans).
Batman is not a good man.
But he is an extremely interesting character who coincidentally is also a Badass. Hence his popularity.
This video was perfect Scott, great job.
I love the channel and don't miss an upload but this video really stood out to me because I want to create a comic book universe and I've been working on it since I was 18 and I just turned 24, I have the characters and everything set up and played out but your video put a lot into perspective for me and I'm going to revisit what I have to make the best stories I can, I have no formal writing training or any know-how so I doubt that anything I write will make to shelves but it's the inspiration that guys (and girls) like you give that make and help people create so who knows man maybe this is just my successes origin story. Thanks again bruh :]
+Auram's Comics! Most certainly will
This episode is AMAZING! Scott this is probably in my top 5 best Nerdsync videos! Honestly this was just so interesting and informative! A great video. Well done my friend well done!
Thank you! I'm excited that you like it!
+NerdSync I was wondering when the next Tales from The Comments will be uploaded or are you saving it for after the hundredth episode?
+Auram's Comics! Sounds great! Thanks for letting me know!
Hawkman and Hawkgirl are Thanagarian. Not bird people. You are welcome.
No shit -___-
Tactical Ace Well clearly not, because he himself said he doesn't remember what they're called.
Your comment clearly had more purpose than mine though.
@@laughinglast2929 There in lies the joke - pretty much everyone who watches this video (including him) has access to the internet and could have easily checked it up, but like normal people, rather chooses not to. :)
Hawkgirl is a...well, I can’t spelll that right, so I’m not gonna try, Hawkman is a bit of basket case when it comes to origins, because he can reincarnate in different bodies, I don’t know if he’s something different that’s just really similar or not though, because I haven’t read many of his comics and I can’t fact-check without the whole message deleting, so feel free to correct me
Laughing Last . Are they Thanagarian in the Arrowverse give the reincarnation human stuff?
I personally think a villain is best when said villain's goals and/or intentions/motives are relatable. For example, a villain who's end goals and intentions are good, but who's methods and ideologies are incorrect. That way said character is still technically the villain, but at least you can see where he/she's coming from. That's just what I've always thought.
Buddy! I'm a longtime viewer and this episode is by far my favorite!
Keep up the great work!
Wow... Just wow. At the start of the video, you summarized the origin stories of THE greatest superheroes of all time. Props to you. Instant sub.
So origin stories makes a character more predictable, which is why the Joker is so unpredictable.
I think predictable is not the word. It's more like plausible.
More like, mysterious.
LordThanatos but joker has an origin story
It doesn't matter if we saw his origin story. He's still a crazy and unpredictable clown.
Though not having an origin makes him more mysterious and sometimes even interesting as it often makes people ask "How did he end up like this?"
Does the joker even have "an" origin story?
When did Superman stop being a symbol of “the American way”? Could we get a video about that?
It just feels like in the last ten years that has dropped from his motto.
Whenever I heard that phrase it always made me think Truth and Justice was the American way.
Probably because Truth and Justice has become subjective in modern society. The motto was created in an era when Americans believed absolutely that they were the moral guardians of the world, but over the years, many scandals, secrets and revelations has indicated quite a lot of times where certain Americans have been involved in many shady things all over the world. In the same vein, Superman has also been tainted by hard choices and unforeseen circumstances, and he's no longer the Boy Scout, but the disillusioned, conflicted hero. The absolute belief in what is right and wrong has been replaced with which losses are acceptable and where and when these sacrifices and losses needs to be taken in order to preserve more life. Dying probably gave him a brand new perspective on what can happen when vigilance is replaced by complacency. I would think that it would have the same trauma on him as Thanos beating Iron Man, or Sinestro against Hal Jordan, or Starlord finding out that his dad is a ruthless superbeing that regularly engaged in the destruction of entire branches of his own family?
Wow can't wait to number:1 double 0 this channel is great and so is the Podcast, well done on making such a great series.
This is my favorite video of all time, good work!!!
Arrow (show), is a really good example of origins
right oliver flashes back a lot!!!
Yes and also no, the writing is terrible, but the story is good
Vicious Oz I agree!
jblue1622 mostly I would say excecution is terrible.
As for a origin story I would say, Daredevil is one hell of an origin story. Not really for Daredevil, but the villain, The Kingpin, it was a very well story and not really we see a lot where the villain gets the focus of the origin story.
I have a character called Cudi. He's just a human. That's it. No powers. He just wants to do the right thing. His parents always taught him that. And their deaths was his main motivation. When he was a kid he heard his parents die then saw their lifeless bodies beneath the feet of they're killer. He was next. But before they killed him he was saved by his hero. The Dart. Cudi's main motivation is that he doesn't want some kid walking into the entrance hallway of their home to see their dead parents on the ground and having to live with that for the rest of his life like he has to.
Hello Scott! I've subscribed to your channel a few days ago and watched nearly all your videos :) Keep ur the good work! Btw, this video is wonderful!
Best video yet. Thanks for the great content!!
That new lens though...
your awesome scott!
***** thankyou
Wow ocd much
+Carl C lol XD
I don't have a Scott, let alone an awesome one.
Loved this video Scott! I think it's my favorite from your channel.
Oh wow! Awesome! Thanks for the encouragement!
Great episode Scott! One of my favorites!
Thank you so much!
There should be a video about how it's really hard to create a new superhero because everything has pretty much been done.
Action Nerd I am currently in the origin stage, my character is completely different from what’s out right now. I’ll keep everyone posted as I get closer to its release.
The only hard part are the names, but even then you can still come up with stuff.
@@manolomartinez5033 exactly, there are tons of things not done yet
To become a hero, is simple. Four or five moments - that's all it takes to become a hero. Everyone
thinks it's a full-time job. Wake up a hero. Brush your teeth a hero. Go
to work a hero. Not true. Over a lifetime there are only four or five
moments that really matter. Moments when you're offered a choice to make
a sacrifice, conquer a flaw, save a friend - spare an enemy. In these
moments everything else falls away.....
Shut the fuck up, Colossus.
Azoel
Language please.
Lycan Knight
Please. There are young ones present.
@@@TheCryingStatue. Dang-it, you stole my line!
Man I love your channel,you arris quiñones and variant comic are the best comic channels hands down but what makes you different of them two is your clips are really interesting I appreciate that !!! Now,origins story:the reason why I love origins stories is because is the beginning of the character that we fall in love with,in my case:batman...he trained to become batman using his money to travel around the world learning detective work,scientist,criminal behaviour,psychology,martial arts...the origins story is where we find out the purpose of out favourite characters:why they do what they do ??? Why he dress like that ??? Etc etc
NerdSync is way better than VariantComics.
Man your channel is great.
Hey nerdsync, you just reminded me.
I want a future X-Men movie, to contain Deadpool from the new movie, but be PG13, so there can be 1 F-word in it, and deadpool goes around carefully avoiding swearing and then Wolverine uses it right in front of him, and he flips out, and proceeds to replace every swearword in his vocabulary with the word "bub", including giving the finger, with a big paper sign on his hand that says "bub", always while looking at wolverine and being angry. He was going to use that F-bomb perfectly, and it was going to have the best comedic timing, and be so over the top and nope, bub stole it from him. Thanks for reminding me about wolverine calling everyone bub.
+therealquade Yes.
Hey Scott have you solved the 4x4x4 Rubik's cube in the background
+that one guy i could be wrong but i think he mentioned before that the background is a green screen
hey Scott I think we care soooo much about origin stories not only because they tell a story bout fictional people with powers we will never posses but because in order to understand our superheroes (and sell to make money) but because we humans strive for logic reasons for the things in our real world as well to inspire our imaginations
I didn't realize how this until ten minutes in! Great episode, probably my favorite!
but captain america was a hero before the super so is he a herosuper?
So was Deku in My Hero Academia (a Japanese manga which the artist explicitly states was inspired by Marvel comics). In a world where X-Men-style mutants are the _majority_ of the population, Deku's trauma stemmed from being a rare person born _without_ a power.
He tries his darnedest to become a "superhero" anyway, which causes his idol- a famous superhero with super strength, _who turns out to have the secret ability to gift his own powers to other people-_ to take notice.
After having the power gifted to him, Deku finds out the downside is that super strength does not come with *invulnerability.* _Human finger bones are fragile little things when used to punch a badguy straight into next week..._
Moon Knight has a good one.
Sheev I love moon knight! I’m tired of people saying he’s a batman knock off. He’s not! They may both be dark and have capes but he served in the military and has 3 personalities! One being a rich guy a taxi driver and a mercenary. He also gets stronger under a full moon. He’s nothing like Batman! There are a few similarities but really not much
Very well made . congrats for the channel
Loved the video this week. Did Rosenberg by any chance also co-write The Science of Superheroes? Trying to remember why the name sounds familiar. Glad the movie spreadsheet went well, by the time I joined in, all the ones I owned had been done. Looking forward to the 100th next week!
Some origin stories weren't meant to be told, it's the mystery that makes them interesting. That's why Wolverine's origin sucks.
It was cool when we didn't know his exact origin, only seemingly incongruous snippets. That was one of the things that appealed to me about Wolverine, that and his laconic speach. We never got to know the real Logan for ages because he just didn't tell people everything about his life. I guess that's one of the things that makes the Logan and Kitty Pride mini-series so great, you learn more bits about his past as the story unfolds without having pages and pages of exposition.
Who else likes Scott's old hair 😂
Travis Scott?¿?
Nice video. I watched a doc about comics before, and it explained the various origins of different eras too. It went something like Mysticism/alien origin (Green Lantern), then science fiction became popular (getting powers from Gamma Rays, etc), and then some sort of traumatic event (Batman). Don't know if there are any newer kinds though.
Great video and topic for discussion. I think us as readers care about the origin story as it resonates with some event or circumstance that we experienced and hooks us into it. I think it's that in part where we become invested with the character or drop interest based on our perspectives.
On a side note it was a pleasure to meet you Saturday.
Great meeting you, too!
Animal man has different origin story, I think, I might be confusing him with someone else
I feel like supermans parents are the real chosen ones considering how they were chosen to raise the most powerful person ever
He's not the most powerful person ever
he is too me
+ThePoker215 there are only a few occasions where it turns out Jor-El chose the Kents specifically to raise Clark. in most cases the kents just found clark by chance
I'm literally writing a web series and this has literally answered questions I've been asking myself! So good!
I was in the hospital a lot when I was a kid, so wolverine's origin story always seemed cool to me.
There is usually someone who dies in the story. 😔
There is ALWAYS someone who diesel in the story!
Hey guys! Make sure this comment has more likes than my other one!
LET'S DO THIS!!!
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+NerdSync i love your vids also i think this was very fascinating.by the way your vids have explained a lot of stuff and just normally in formed me of stuff
This is better than election season
***** His other comment says the same thing.
Great video! Totally looking into that book.
@NerdSync this might be my favorite of all your videos
is Scott trying to be Michael from vsauce
luke joynson yea
What makes Bruce Wayne interesting before his parents' death
the interesting thing about bruce was formed after their death because he was just a kid when they died and his identity was still tied to them. We actually get to track him forming a subsequent identity because he had an undeveloped one
What will Bruce Wayne never get for Christmas?
His parents...
Before the death of his parents he was just your run of the mill 9(?) year old child of loving parents. Remember, back in the olden days he was a vigilante, it wasn't until recent remakes that he has been a full fledged Hero. His story could have gone the other way, and has in alternate stories. I contribute his rise as a good guy to those who were in his life after the deaths of his parents being a good influence on him.
He was a 9 yr old spoiled rich kid afraid of opera??
Faaaantastic episode man, probably my new favorite!
love it, man! definitely my kind of fan.
Why don't you talk abou the Chief of the Doom Patrol, a radical beliaver of "altruism of the suffering" who actively ruin peoplesl ife to create the perfect hero team?
Jose Roa yeah, that guy was twisted, what he did to robotman was not cool
Spider-Man definitel has the best origin, which clearly shows why Marvel changed the comic book industry back int eh 60's. It made their characters real and flawed.
Also, Wolverines "Origin" is total bullshit. James Hawlet my butt. He's Logan. End of story.
Actually, the bad guy that turned good because he's lost all his memories and therefore part of his personality actually works. It shows the viewer that even "bad" people aren't inherently evil, but is both redeemable and worth being redeemed. Which is why Logan is such a badass character - he's still the angry, wolf cub we've all come to love, but at least he's not a ruthless, calculating murderer (like Deathstroke, for example).
Hey nice add to the intro looks great!
Planning a comic book themed d&d campaign so this was super helpful as I'm gonna have to come up with a ton of villain and hero origins