This nonlinear storytelling sets games like Sonic Adventure 1 and Majora's Mask apart from their series siblings. It really is a shame that a large portion of audiences don't take to it very well.
Gotta say, Tikal has to be my favorite character of the Adventure saga. I kinda wish they had done more with her, like having her be something of a Big Good party for Sonic and especially Knuckles.
OK, so what if... Omochao was supposed to be a version of Chaos, Eggman made, since Chaos mutated from Chao. The experiment didn't go well though, because Omochao never had a lust for power and also NEVER SHUT UP EVER and therefore stayed in his Chao state and used his powers to do stupid stuff like give hints. Though you may be wondering... why not start out with a full size Chaos? Well, Eggman made Omochao small and cute, to lure Sonic into a trap, where Omochao would turn huge using the power of the Chaos Emeralds. Fortunately though, after that failure, Eggman discovered some papers on The Ultimate Lifeform and where it's being kept.
Okay, so in order to see Tikal's story unfold the player needs to: 1) Start with Sonic and immediately change to Tails once they have the ability to play as him. 2) Play through Tails' story. 3) Play through Knuckles' story until Tikal's first flashback happened. Then switch to Amy. 4) Play through Amy's story. 5) Play through E-102 Gamma's story. 6) Play through Big's story. 7) Go back to Knuckles and finish his story. 8) Finish Sonic's story. 9) Finish Super Sonic's story to find out how the fire scene started happening (because you can't play as Super Sonic before Sonic). Sonic (up until Emerald Coast)->Tails->Knuckles until flashback 1->Amy->Gamma->Big->Knuckles->Sonic->Super Sonic ...Sonic's story kinda is irrelevant, isn't it?
A Blob not entirely since with sonic u do unlock the rest of the playable characters not to mention i think it was intentional how they made tikals encounters with every1 look that way sonics imo isnt irrelevant cause ppl do want to see the characters full storyline than of just tikal scenes alone
I'm pretty sure that it doesn't matter if you're playing as Sonic or not. As long as you've met a character for the first time, you should unlock them. For my first playthrough ever, I was stuck with Sonic so I completed Tails' story and once I met Big in Tails' story, I unlocked him.
A Blob ik how the rest goes when i didnt fully finish the others i mainly mentioned sonic cause when going through the stories sonic, and tails r the only 2 who encounter big every1 encounters gamma in different ways knuckles never encounters amy in the story vise versa with knuckles when u get to meeting big uve been already unlocked knuckles i mean ik they kinda have in super sonic storyline but not much of action or exchanging words with 1 another is where ive met all characters didnt care that much for tikal story sequence cause ive watched before numerous times of how her stories go from my view like i said it was possibly just intentional how they made her story just for certain ppl alone to figure out the story
A Blob ik its possible yet there r those who want to fully finish a characters story than of leavin the story at that small percentage where they couldve been finished the story already
Whoa... When you edit all the pieces together, it starts to look like someone at the writers table actually cared about the story. Weird... I’m kinda inspired by this...
Герман Релиньш I still say, despite aging pretty terribly, Sonic Adventure has potential to be an incredible game with a remaster. The story is there, albeit clunky the way it was set up, but the gameplay could be reworked
It wouldn't make sense though for her to be back long term outside of cameos. Her story was fulfilled in 1 when she and Chaos ascended together. The most that'd make sense is if an antagonist was tampering with Chaos again and somehow Tikal got more directly involved with the action. But that's pushing it
This is the first time I've heard Tikal speak in Japanese. She sounds so cute! I've heard and I'm used to her speaking English. She's cute there, too! You know what? She's all around cute in any language she speaks! 😘 When I think about the story of what happened to Knuckles past ancestor tribe, it's pretty dark. I never thought about it as a kid. It just flew over my head since I was so young and loved playing this game for the gameplay. Looking at this story now that I understand, it makes since.
I really wish Sonic get back these histories again... so deep and well done... explaining a lot of things and not just dumb reasons for dumb things happening...
You know, it never occurred to me that she was talking to the Master Emerald. I always thought she was talking to Chaos and the ripples were how Chaos communicated. I mean I guess in SA1 the Master Emerald is sentient. I mean it tells Knuckles where the last three Master Emerald Shards are. They definitely dropped this concept in SA2.
I'm pretty sure it actually was Chaos who communicated through the ripples, there were a few errors in the order as well. Big's Flashback was an immediate follow up to what Amy saw with Tikal gaining the guardian's permission to be there after her initial shock when meeting Chaos. I also was under the belief that the Knuckles 1st Flashback took place after she already had befriended the chao.
I've always been interested in Tikal and her tribe's story, but the widespreadedness of the flashbacks among the characters' stories made it extremely difficult for me to follow along while playing the game. Thank you for putting together this video! :D
Big's Flashback takes place before E-102 Gamma's though as it was an immediate follow up to Amy's Flashback. With her gaining the guardian's permission to be there after her initial shock.
It’s soooo sad how her father was so heartless and power hungry that he didn’t even care it meant killing his own daughter who was nothing but sweet and caring.
Who is even the Mother of Tikal’s Father that also makes her Tikal’s Grandmother I would assume? Since we never even saw what she really looked like in the Game.
@@emmanuelharris6445 Her grandmother was the old leader of the tribe. She was a peaceful pacifist lady that was against war and violence. Her son did not agree with her views and thought it made their tribe weak and pushovers. So when he took over as leader he changed the tribe to be tough strong warriors to be able to fight wars. I think he was so busy being the leader that his mom was the one who raised Tikal mostly so she inherited her grandmother’s peaceful views. But her father was too corrupted by greed and pride to see anything else.
It's amazing how just listening to the Japanese version makes me like Tikal and makes me care for her story SO much more than the english version. It helps that here she sounds like an actual character with emotions and not just an actress reading from a script. Plus, she just has such a sweet sounding voice. It's a shame that Kaori Aso hasn't been hired to do more roles (although she was the Japanese VA for Jasmine in Aladdin and Blossom in PPG so her CV does have weight to it) because she's a joy to listen to.
I really enjoy there being a compilation of Tikal's story, especially since she's my favourite Sonic character, and I really appreciate avoiding the poor localization decisions in the story, but only having the summaries for the segments as opposed to, say, new subtitles, was a bit disappointing. Either way, quality video as usual!
I also really appreciate links and explanations for all the stuff you have in the description. I never knew you knew the translator there over there at the SonicRetro pages either! I read up on them way back when I was still into writing, so that's neato.
@Windii Oh, so it does! I looked up why they didn't load when I set the CC to English and apparently it's a long-standing bug. Watching on my clean install of Chromium works though. I just assumed the video didn't have any my first viewing because of it-- 'might wanna confirm that they exist someone other than this comment though. Just a thought.
I'm kind of surprised at how many heads this story went over. This has always been one of my favorite stories. Also, has anyone else always wondered why these cutscenes use an inferior chao model compared to the ones from the chao garden?
Frontiers basically confirmed the Chao are just aliens from another world after years of mutation living on earth (or whatever world/planet Sonic lives on since the lore can't make its mind up)
are you serious or joking? why the fuck would they bring back a dead character??? If you're gonna bring up Shadow, then let me remind you that he didn't die at all im the first place. His death was never confirmed so ofc Eggman would find and rescue him.
Tikal was planned to be playable in SA1,her and eggman's animations on cutscenes would be one of their gameplay animations,but it was scrapped when the game released. ps:I would love if SA1 had a remake and make them as a Bonus Story DLCs
Wow! This makes the story of the Knuckles tribe make tons more sense and more tragic, when put in order along with the extra information from the Japanese sonic Manuals and Adventure's strategy glides
This an adventures 2s stories were amazing. This in my opinion were first few things that are of Sonics backstory. I really wonder if Tikal knows all about sonic because she and her clan were told by something or someone that he would come and save the world. Chaos is the god of destruction, but what is sonic the god of then? I think he is likely something along the lines of the god of life due to him never every wanting or wishing death upon someone. What ever the case to who sonic is based on the hints of 2d classic game and the adventure games, the stories at the time were under appreciated.
Adventure 2's story was better. Why? Because it doesn't end with a city being destroyed making the character's efforts throughout the entire game pointless. Not to also mention Chaos gets off scot free for basically destroying an entire city and drowning millions of innocent people nor is implied to feel any remorse for what he did. Also Chaos isn't a god the whole god thing was something the echidnas called him. He's just a chao who turned into a weird liquid monster for some reason. Hell Sonic Frontiers (don't care if it wasn't out yet at the time) reveals the Chao are just a bunch of aliens that once resembled Chaos that had become mutated over years of living on Sonic's world and Chaos somehow was reverted back to the original form.
I've always had a headcanon that since Tikal was trapped in the master emerald along with its original guardian (chaos), her spirit manifested new guardians over the years to protect it since she couldn't. Knuckles is one of these manifestation, it's how he's seemingly been their all his life with no remembrance of a family or up bringing.
Sonic And Kncukles Are Suppose To Be In The Same Moment When Tikal Wakes Up After The Battle , It's Also Confirme From Sonic X Only A Echidna And The True Hero Of The Chaos Emerald Light Have To Go To The Past For Knuckles Understand The Real Reason And For Sonic Save The World Again
It's really good video for those who didn't understood the story of Tikal's while playing the game. Now if my friends will be confused about this, then I know what to show them)
@Sylvonte Wright Y'know, looking back, I realized that with 4000 years, it'd be impossible for the Mystic Ruins AND the Emerald Shrine to be in the same place. But if I ever do come around to remaking it, I'll at least try and make it look similar.
@@SteveCrafts2k Pretty sure the implication is Angel Island used to be a part of the main land around where the Mystic Ruins is located back when the echidnas were still around and before people discovered it. Then after the whole issue with Chaos the land where the Master Emerald is broke away from the main land thus becoming the floating island through the Master Emerald's power. The island falling right near the Mystic Ruins is probably a massive coincidence and probably not in the exact same spot it was once was as part of the mainland. Though never understood how the Master Emerald even changed locations. The flashbacks and present day location of it in Adventure 1 show its like outside in a small temple like shrine. Yet Sonic 3&K its located on a rock pedestal inside Hidden Palace Zone which is like in a giant underground cavern on next to Lava Reef (which I assume Red Mountain is close to considering its on Angel Island and the volcanic activity in it)
So the deal is that when the emeralds dissapeared, they went to land on South island for who knows how many years until the events of the first Sonic game ?
Probably, but we know that Gerald Robotnik had the Chaos Emeralds when he was creating Shadow (as he knows how to perform Chaos Control) and constructing the Eclipse Cannon. So what happened was probably: -The Chaos Emeralds went to South Island in order to be more safe after the whole Chaos thing -They stayed there until Gerald collected them -After the GUN invasion, 1 of them went back to South Island, while the other ones went to North Island or whatever the Sonic 1 island is called -After Sonic 1, the 6 emeralds reunited with the other one in South Island. -After 3&K, they once again scattered, but this time 1 of them fell into Angel Island (or to be more precise Icecap) while the other 6 fell into nearby land, 2 in Station Square (the first Tails Emerald and the Casinopolis Emerald) and 4 into the Mystic Ruins (Windy Valley, Big, Bird, and the middle of the Jungle)
@@zepic3895 Sonic Origins seems to confirm after the events of Sonic 1 the emeralds went to Westside Island but we still don't get an explanation as to where the 7th one was during Sonic 1 cuz the cut scene just shows it joining the other 6 out of nowhere when they are flying to Westside Island. Also wouldn't the emeralds be more on Angel Island or in the Mystic Ruins where Gerald found and collected them? (or at least some were on Angel Island and some were in the Mystic Ruins) Considering he was studying the echidna civilisation and its heavily implied he created the highly annoying Artificial Chaos and and the Biolizard in the image of Chaos due to seeing the giant mural of Chaos inside the Mystic Ruins temple, and him creating Shadow in the image of the hedgehog depicted on the mural in Hidden Palace Zone due to also seeing it?
up until this point i never understood a single bit of tikal's past for 2 reasons: 1. english dub makes way less sense then japanese subbed. 2. all the scenes are not in order. i never knew tikal and chaos were sealed in the master emerald. it does explain why the master emerald shattered and why chaos was able to sneak up on knuckles and why tikal was there as well almost unnoticeable imo. apparently chaos was also a greater version of a chao (it's actually in its name) which seriously no one could think at 1st. it also explains why angel island is floating in the air. this is all kind of obscure with the english dub because they are so vague.
It doesn't matter that the English dub makes way less sense then the Japanese I'm sorry to say. As all four of the games from the Dreamcast/Gamecube era need full blown Remakes. Everything about these games needs updating.
That's Debatable, I see Amy's then Big's then Gamma's Flashbacks all taking place before Knuckles Flashbacks. Amy's was 1st meeting with Chao, Big's was were she was told it was ok for her to be there with the Chao, then Gamma's had Tikal already well familiar with the chao. Knuckles 1st 2 Flashbacks are more the beginning of the end for Tikal, with his 1st Flashback being an attempt to plead with Pachacamac to not attack the chao & take the Emeralds from them. The 2nd Knuckles Flashback is Tikal trying to get Chaos & the chao to leave so that her father's attack wouldn't succeed only to find out they are unable to leave. Then that night the End would occur depicted in Super Sonic's Story with Sonic & Knuckles witnessing the aftermath.
0:48 caught Tikal in a pretty awkward pose there lol 🤪 How cool would this be if this game would receive a remake? But a bit more exposition on certain scenes from Tikals past and some use of the metal Sonic's Egg-man had in his base.
Since the Echidna tribe was featured in the first Sonic movie, I'm really hoping Tikal will be in the sequel. She's one of my most favorite Sonic characters because of this game alone.
This is nice. I am playing this game now and what I like is to play Sonic's story up to right before Lost World and Knuckles's story up to right before Sky Deck, the come back and finish once all other stories are done. This way, all of the story's end flashbacks are shown near the end of the game.
Maybe it was in retrospect, to tie it into the lore, since at this point the chaos emeralds were already a thing in all the 16-Bit games. If I recall, this was the first reboot of the world (or alternative timelime/universe/whatever).
DanielRotwind it wasn’t really a reboot since humans always existed in the same world as Sonic (I mean we’ve always had Eggman after all), and there were a lot of cities and such in the background of levels, it’s just this game brought a lot of that to the forefront.
I always took it as she was taking the player back to memories she had when she was alone with the chao, and explaining what was going on to them. Not the player replacing a friend she was talking to back then.
Arranging it like this actually makes it easier for dense people to realize that there was a story in SA that they couldn't piece together because of their short attention span
I think I see some connections between the characters and each flashback: 1. Tails' power, aside from flying and tinkering with machinery, comes from his kind heart and loyalty to his friends, plus his tenacity to continue in hard times and development independent from Sonic to "[b]elieve in [him]self" like his song says. 2. Knuckles is learning the history of his people and ancestors, seeing how they got to the Master Emerald whose fragments he's trying to retrieve. 3. Amy has formed a connection with Birdie (similar to Tikal's with Chaos and the Chao), who has a Chaos Emerald in his locket, with Dr. Eggman seeking it in a similar manner to Pachacamac's mad quest for more power for his people. 4. Gamma eventually goes on a quest to "liberate" his brothers from servitude to their master, with the Chao foreshadowing the Flickies inside Beta, Delta, Epsilon, and Zeta. 5. Big is trying to save Froggy from the Chaos piece inside him (which he doesn't know, on top of the anuran having an emerald that the mega feline calls his "lucky charm") and he decided to live in the Mystic Ruins to escape from the bustle and rush of the city (a similar situation to Tikal's attempts to escape her father's propaganda about conquest and violence). 6. Knuckles is further learning about the Master Emerald, fitting his role of making sure no harm comes to it, and it's dawning on him that his people's legends weren't all they were cracked up to be (and some even had unsavory aspects). 7. Sonic is eventually going to transform into Super Sonic, being the one with the positive energy of the emeralds (in contrast to Chaos' negative energy), seeing which gives him the idea to destroy Chaos' hate and liberate the water from the sadness and fury consuming it for 3,000 years plus. 8a. Knuckles' entire world has come crashing down, and he's been witness to one of the most horrific atrocities committed by one of his ancestors' leaders. 8b. Sonic is getting the idea of unifying Tikal and Chaos (again, continuing from the connection in flashback 7), seeing that resealing them will continue the conflict forever, and instead opting to restore Chaos' faith in humanity and showing the Chao coexisting with everyone else. He's getting a clue on what the true power of the Chaos Emeralds can do and what their connection means (which is further explored in _Sonic Frontiers_ about 24 years later). 8c. Sonic is further forming his decision from 8b, seeing the bond between everyone (himself, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Big, Gamma, Birdie, Froggy, Gamma's Flicky, Tikal, Chaos, and the Chao; with the second four and the eighth even bringing the former the emeralds and the ninth two bearing witness to the latter) and deciding to restore it rather than let past wounds fester. What connections do you think you see?
I know Sonic Chronicles is questionably canon, and this doesn't relate to SA1's plot or Chaos and Tikal's backstory, but in the beginning of the video when you were going over the origins of the Knuckles Tribe, you should have gone into all that other stuff about what happened with Ix and the Nocturnus Clan.
Tails = Tikal remembering her Grandmother's poem/prayer about the Chaos Emeralds. Amy = Tikal first meeting Chaos and the Chao. Big = Tikal meeting the Master Emerald. Gamma = Tikal explaining that Chaos is actually a peaceful and well-meaning guardian that just wants to protect the Chao. Knuckles(1) = Tikal begging Pachamak to not use the Chaos Emeralds for self gain. Knuckles(2) = Tikal warning the Master Emerald about Pachamak. Knuckles(3) = The rise of Perfect Chaos. Sonic(1) = The fallout of the Knuckles Clan's actions. Sonic(2) = Why Chaos destroyed the Knuckles Clan and how/why he was sealed away inside the Master Emerald in the first place.
I've been following your videos here, quite the nice work you've been doing so far. I wanted to know if you've managed to get your hands on the Saturn Models (JAM/3D Blast) of Sonic, Tails & Knuckles. Maybe even Sonic's and Tails's from SA1.
Tikal of her voice is Kaori Asoh similar to Princess Jasmine, Ririka, Princess Strawberry, Thumbelina, Blossom 1998, Ms Maryne, Princess Emeraude and Telulu
I watch Big's cutscene, and all I'm imagining is that Big witnesses this and in his mind... is just Froggy dancing with a top hat with an circus organ playing. That or a carton of milk spilling.
Where can I find the transcript of Tikal's Master Emerald prayer in kana and (translated) english? Googling it didn't seem to work and only showed me the Sonic wiki pages for it which are the dub english only.
Pachacamac learned about Emeralds as he was conquering lands? Wasn't Chaos a echidna's national deity all along? I mean Tikal's grandma told her that rhyme about power enriched by the heart.
This nonlinear storytelling sets games like Sonic Adventure 1 and Majora's Mask apart from their series siblings. It really is a shame that a large portion of audiences don't take to it very well.
JTE 😞 it true you must do as the masses wish
What do you mean?
People think Sonic shouldn't have a story, and the classics never had one, when the Japanese Manuals can prove them wrong.
Again, the stories are more clear when you read the Japanese manuals.
@Adr Lulu yeah.
Gotta say, Tikal has to be my favorite character of the Adventure saga. I kinda wish they had done more with her, like having her be something of a Big Good party for Sonic and especially Knuckles.
Wdym Big good party?
@@WakerOfTheSky "Big Good" is a trope; basically it's like... the leader of whatever team the heroes are on.
Agreed!
0:48 But Tikal was never quite the same after her eyelashes impaled her irises.
xD
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Finally someone is talking about the picture they used.
This was really nicely done, especially the ending passage to tie it all together. Thank you for making it!
i know it's kinda off topic but do anyone know a good website to stream new movies online?
@Myles Jasiah Flixportal xD
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@Myles Jasiah glad I could help =)
Wait...so THAT"S why they're called the CHAOS emeralds! Dang, I've never even thought about it before...
Perhaps Chaos was named as such not because of its relation to Chao, but because of the Chaos it wrought as its anger was unleashed upon the world.
Chaos is mutated chao that absored chaos emerald.
Itd be orehr way.
Tikal had so much insight. To bad she ended up being replaced by this enraging Omachao in SA2.
OK, so what if... Omochao was supposed to be a version of Chaos, Eggman made, since Chaos mutated from Chao. The experiment didn't go well though, because Omochao never had a lust for power and also NEVER SHUT UP EVER and therefore stayed in his Chao state and used his powers to do stupid stuff like give hints.
Though you may be wondering... why not start out with a full size Chaos? Well, Eggman made Omochao small and cute, to lure Sonic into a trap, where Omochao would turn huge using the power of the Chaos Emeralds.
Fortunately though, after that failure, Eggman discovered some papers on The Ultimate Lifeform and where it's being kept.
Ueda Yuuji Fan DUN DUN
But hey you get to shoot and pick up and throw omachao to shut him up i do it all the time XD
The most annoying chao ever
Omochao isnt really that bad, or atleast sa2 omochao
This story always gets to me, one of many reasons why this is my favorite Sonic game.
Okay, so in order to see Tikal's story unfold the player needs to:
1) Start with Sonic and immediately change to Tails once they have the ability to play as him.
2) Play through Tails' story.
3) Play through Knuckles' story until Tikal's first flashback happened. Then switch to Amy.
4) Play through Amy's story.
5) Play through E-102 Gamma's story.
6) Play through Big's story.
7) Go back to Knuckles and finish his story.
8) Finish Sonic's story.
9) Finish Super Sonic's story to find out how the fire scene started happening (because you can't play as Super Sonic before Sonic).
Sonic (up until Emerald Coast)->Tails->Knuckles until flashback 1->Amy->Gamma->Big->Knuckles->Sonic->Super Sonic
...Sonic's story kinda is irrelevant, isn't it?
A Blob not entirely since with sonic u do unlock the rest of the playable characters not to mention i think it was intentional how they made tikals encounters with every1 look that way sonics imo isnt irrelevant cause ppl do want to see the characters full storyline than of just tikal scenes alone
I'm pretty sure that it doesn't matter if you're playing as Sonic or not.
As long as you've met a character for the first time, you should unlock them. For my first playthrough ever, I was stuck with Sonic so I completed Tails' story and once I met Big in Tails' story, I unlocked him.
A Blob ik how the rest goes when i didnt fully finish the others i mainly mentioned sonic cause when going through the stories sonic, and tails r the only 2 who encounter big every1 encounters gamma in different ways knuckles never encounters amy in the story vise versa with knuckles when u get to meeting big uve been already unlocked knuckles i mean ik they kinda have in super sonic storyline but not much of action or exchanging words with 1 another is where ive met all characters didnt care that much for tikal story sequence cause ive watched before numerous times of how her stories go from my view like i said it was possibly just intentional how they made her story just for certain ppl alone to figure out the story
@TC WL: This is kinda hard to read. But I think when going through Tails' story, you unlock Knuckles, Big, Gamma and Amy so this order is possible.
A Blob ik its possible yet there r those who want to fully finish a characters story than of leavin the story at that small percentage where they couldve been finished the story already
Whoa... When you edit all the pieces together, it starts to look like someone at the writers table actually cared about the story. Weird... I’m kinda inspired by this...
inb4 Forces is super deep too and it goes into the lore of Silver. :P
Ueda Yuuji Fan wait what? Silver gets a story arc? In Forces?
That was sarcasm...
Ueda Yuuji Fan dang, I really like Silver.
Герман Релиньш I still say, despite aging pretty terribly, Sonic Adventure has potential to be an incredible game with a remaster. The story is there, albeit clunky the way it was set up, but the gameplay could be reworked
"So he has closed off his heart."
Heh.
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*GOTTAOPENYOURHEARTDUUUUDE*
@@duckknuckles7880 ITSGONNABEALRIGHHHHHHHHTTTTT
Can’t hold on much longaaaah
@@Blueflag04 *_yEAH!_*
I actually wouldn’t mind to see Tikal become a main character
I say it would be best if she stayed dead along with gamma...
To be fair that was the plan for shadow in sa2 but they decided to bring him back in heroes do to his popularity at the time
It wouldn't make sense though for her to be back long term outside of cameos. Her story was fulfilled in 1 when she and Chaos ascended together. The most that'd make sense is if an antagonist was tampering with Chaos again and somehow Tikal got more directly involved with the action. But that's pushing it
This is the first time I've heard Tikal speak in Japanese. She sounds so cute! I've heard and I'm used to her speaking English. She's cute there, too! You know what? She's all around cute in any language she speaks! 😘
When I think about the story of what happened to Knuckles past ancestor tribe, it's pretty dark. I never thought about it as a kid. It just flew over my head since I was so young and loved playing this game for the gameplay. Looking at this story now that I understand, it makes since.
She really does sound adorable, especially in Japanese.
I really wish Sonic get back these histories again... so deep and well done... explaining a lot of things and not just dumb reasons for dumb things happening...
Guess what Sonic Frontiers Return that storyline
You know, it never occurred to me that she was talking to the Master Emerald. I always thought she was talking to Chaos and the ripples were how Chaos communicated. I mean I guess in SA1 the Master Emerald is sentient. I mean it tells Knuckles where the last three Master Emerald Shards are. They definitely dropped this concept in SA2.
I'm pretty sure it actually was Chaos who communicated through the ripples, there were a few errors in the order as well. Big's Flashback was an immediate follow up to what Amy saw with Tikal gaining the guardian's permission to be there after her initial shock when meeting Chaos. I also was under the belief that the Knuckles 1st Flashback took place after she already had befriended the chao.
"I know that it's here, I can sense it in my feet,
the Great Emerald's power allows me to feel."
Did they really drop it in SA2? I feel it's more like it just never had an opportunity to come up.
I've always been interested in Tikal and her tribe's story, but the widespreadedness of the flashbacks among the characters' stories made it extremely difficult for me to follow along while playing the game. Thank you for putting together this video! :D
Hearts The Kitteh Imagine how Big must have felt...
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I don’t give a sh!t, I MUST SAVE FWOGGEY
Big's Flashback takes place before E-102 Gamma's though as it was an immediate follow up to Amy's Flashback. With her gaining the guardian's permission to be there after her initial shock.
It’s soooo sad how her father was so heartless and power hungry that he didn’t even care it meant killing his own daughter who was nothing but sweet and caring.
He disgrace his mother's legacy.
@@johnsantos507 Right.
@@watergirl929 I hope he'll see his mom in hell as a disgrace.
Who is even the Mother of Tikal’s Father that also makes her Tikal’s Grandmother I would assume? Since we never even saw what she really looked like in the Game.
@@emmanuelharris6445 Her grandmother was the old leader of the tribe. She was a peaceful pacifist lady that was against war and violence. Her son did not agree with her views and thought it made their tribe weak and pushovers. So when he took over as leader he changed the tribe to be tough strong warriors to be able to fight wars. I think he was so busy being the leader that his mom was the one who raised Tikal mostly so she inherited her grandmother’s peaceful views. But her father was too corrupted by greed and pride to see anything else.
It's amazing how just listening to the Japanese version makes me like Tikal and makes me care for her story SO much more than the english version. It helps that here she sounds like an actual character with emotions and not just an actress reading from a script.
Plus, she just has such a sweet sounding voice. It's a shame that Kaori Aso hasn't been hired to do more roles (although she was the Japanese VA for Jasmine in Aladdin and Blossom in PPG so her CV does have weight to it) because she's a joy to listen to.
if you could speak japanese you'd think otherwise.
@@mariosucks1016
Foreign languages always sound better to people who don't speak it.
I always enjoyed this aspect of Adventure, it would've been better if the voice direction was a little better for the English version.
I’ve always loved the Story of Adventure 1 and 2, it’s nice to see other people actually care about it as well.
9:26
Knuckles’ teeth are brighter than my future.
0:49 Best photo of the year.
Yes
I really enjoy there being a compilation of Tikal's story, especially since she's my favourite Sonic character, and I really appreciate avoiding the poor localization decisions in the story, but only having the summaries for the segments as opposed to, say, new subtitles, was a bit disappointing.
Either way, quality video as usual!
I also really appreciate links and explanations for all the stuff you have in the description. I never knew you knew the translator there over there at the SonicRetro pages either! I read up on them way back when I was still into writing, so that's neato.
@Windii
Oh, so it does! I looked up why they didn't load when I set the CC to English and apparently it's a long-standing bug. Watching on my clean install of Chromium works though. I just assumed the video didn't have any my first viewing because of it-- 'might wanna confirm that they exist someone other than this comment though. Just a thought.
Yep, it indeed does have subtitles.
I don't really find the english dub and localisation bad. It's just me?
Nicely done Speeps! This was fun seeing Tikal's story altogether like this! It revealed some connections I had forgotten about too!
This is a lot more enjoyable when it's not jumbled together in random parts of a separate story.
Wow. The story is even better in the original japanese version.
I'm kind of surprised at how many heads this story went over. This has always been one of my favorite stories.
Also, has anyone else always wondered why these cutscenes use an inferior chao model compared to the ones from the chao garden?
Aren't they the models from the Dreamcast gardens?
PrincessTogepi I was thinking the same thing I thought maybe they were adult normal chaos or maybe they’re stats are maxed out they’re so old
Maybe they used the low poly chao model because of how underpowered the dreamcast was at the time.
@@F1areon no, the dc chao models are higher poly.
@@duriiidoll Tikal refers to them as children at one point, so maybe not
Sonic Frontiers just shed more light on the Chao, Chaos, and Chaos Emeralds than I imagined the games would do.
Frontiers basically confirmed the Chao are just aliens from another world after years of mutation living on earth (or whatever world/planet Sonic lives on since the lore can't make its mind up)
@@robonaught Awww man, i got spoiled...
Anyway, that also makes Gerald Robotnik bona fide and full-fleged alien researcher\scientist!
Thank you for compiling these scenes!!
Tikal is bae~
are you serious or joking? why the fuck would they bring back a dead character???
If you're gonna bring up Shadow, then let me remind you that he didn't die at all im the first place. His death was never confirmed so ofc Eggman would find and rescue him.
@@the1whoplayz xD
Ha! Simp!
Tikal was planned to be playable in SA1,her and eggman's animations on cutscenes would be one of their gameplay animations,but it was scrapped when the game released.
ps:I would love if SA1 had a remake and make them as a Bonus Story DLCs
Wow! This makes the story of the Knuckles tribe make tons more sense and more tragic, when put in order along with the extra information from the Japanese sonic Manuals and Adventure's strategy glides
Nice story and back story to show how knuckles became the guardian of the emerald. And how they earned the name Chaos Emeralds.
Wow, these are actually really interesting to watch in sequence
This an adventures 2s stories were amazing. This in my opinion were first few things that are of Sonics backstory. I really wonder if Tikal knows all about sonic because she and her clan were told by something or someone that he would come and save the world. Chaos is the god of destruction, but what is sonic the god of then? I think he is likely something along the lines of the god of life due to him never every wanting or wishing death upon someone. What ever the case to who sonic is based on the hints of 2d classic game and the adventure games, the stories at the time were under appreciated.
Adventure 2's story was better. Why? Because it doesn't end with a city being destroyed making the character's efforts throughout the entire game pointless. Not to also mention Chaos gets off scot free for basically destroying an entire city and drowning millions of innocent people nor is implied to feel any remorse for what he did.
Also Chaos isn't a god the whole god thing was something the echidnas called him. He's just a chao who turned into a weird liquid monster for some reason.
Hell Sonic Frontiers (don't care if it wasn't out yet at the time) reveals the Chao are just a bunch of aliens that once resembled Chaos that had become mutated over years of living on Sonic's world and Chaos somehow was reverted back to the original form.
Oh man, that's the only history lesson I'd definitely go to!
This was amazing. It makes a lot of the lore become clear.
I've always had a headcanon that since Tikal was trapped in the master emerald along with its original guardian (chaos), her spirit manifested new guardians over the years to protect it since she couldn't. Knuckles is one of these manifestation, it's how he's seemingly been their all his life with no remembrance of a family or up bringing.
That actually sounds very interesting. That headcanon is a LOT better than the nothing Sega/Sonic Team gave us and the stuff Ken Penders wrote.
Oh wow... I don't think I ever realized there was a specific order to the Tikal cutscenes- or if I did, I never figured it out.
Sonic And Kncukles Are Suppose To Be In The Same Moment When Tikal Wakes Up After The Battle , It's Also Confirme From Sonic X Only A Echidna And The True Hero Of The Chaos Emerald Light Have To Go To The Past For Knuckles Understand The Real Reason And For Sonic Save The World Again
Sonic X isn't canon it was just there to encourage folks to get the Adventure one and two I'm sorry to say.
0:49
That face is priceless.
It’s her autistic Twin Sister
@@kirillassasin bruh
0:47 when the t-pose gives you way too much power
Now that I think about it, whenever perfect chaos roars, it sounds like a distorted Chao sound....hmmm.
man, that icon really is great, just like this video.
It's really good video for those who didn't understood the story of Tikal's while playing the game.
Now if my friends will be confused about this, then I know what to show them)
If I were to remake Angel Island, I'll position it and the mystic ruins in the same place as the flashbacks.
@Sylvonte Wright
Y'know, looking back, I realized that with 4000 years, it'd be impossible for the Mystic Ruins AND the Emerald Shrine to be in the same place.
But if I ever do come around to remaking it, I'll at least try and make it look similar.
@@SteveCrafts2k Pretty sure the implication is Angel Island used to be a part of the main land around where the Mystic Ruins is located back when the echidnas were still around and before people discovered it. Then after the whole issue with Chaos the land where the Master Emerald is broke away from the main land thus becoming the floating island through the Master Emerald's power.
The island falling right near the Mystic Ruins is probably a massive coincidence and probably not in the exact same spot it was once was as part of the mainland.
Though never understood how the Master Emerald even changed locations. The flashbacks and present day location of it in Adventure 1 show its like outside in a small temple like shrine. Yet Sonic 3&K its located on a rock pedestal inside Hidden Palace Zone which is like in a giant underground cavern on next to Lava Reef (which I assume Red Mountain is close to considering its on Angel Island and the volcanic activity in it)
3:33 The Chao singing glitches out. This is because of an incorrect sound overlap that wasn't fixed in the Director's Cut version.
Ah yaay! My favorite Echidna girl!
BSPD95 You don't say.
TheSonicDBZ lol
I love both Tikal and Shade.
Tikal is one amazing character and is hands down a fan favorite!!!❤❤❤❤💖💖💖💖
Thank you for sharing this !!!
So the deal is that when the emeralds dissapeared, they went to land on South island for who knows how many years until the events of the first Sonic game ?
Probably, but we know that Gerald Robotnik had the Chaos Emeralds when he was creating Shadow (as he knows how to perform Chaos Control) and constructing the Eclipse Cannon. So what happened was probably:
-The Chaos Emeralds went to South Island in order to be more safe after the whole Chaos thing
-They stayed there until Gerald collected them
-After the GUN invasion, 1 of them went back to South Island, while the other ones went to North Island or whatever the Sonic 1 island is called
-After Sonic 1, the 6 emeralds reunited with the other one in South Island.
-After 3&K, they once again scattered, but this time 1 of them fell into Angel Island (or to be more precise Icecap) while the other 6 fell into nearby land, 2 in Station Square (the first Tails Emerald and the Casinopolis Emerald) and 4 into the Mystic Ruins (Windy Valley, Big, Bird, and the middle of the Jungle)
@@zepic3895I guess it makes sense, I like that take.
@@robonaught yea I discovered that after I commented, never bothered to edit it
@@zepic3895 Sonic 1 takes place in South Island.
@@zepic3895 Sonic Origins seems to confirm after the events of Sonic 1 the emeralds went to Westside Island but we still don't get an explanation as to where the 7th one was during Sonic 1 cuz the cut scene just shows it joining the other 6 out of nowhere when they are flying to Westside Island.
Also wouldn't the emeralds be more on Angel Island or in the Mystic Ruins where Gerald found and collected them? (or at least some were on Angel Island and some were in the Mystic Ruins)
Considering he was studying the echidna civilisation and its heavily implied he created the highly annoying Artificial Chaos and and the Biolizard in the image of Chaos due to seeing the giant mural of Chaos inside the Mystic Ruins temple, and him creating Shadow in the image of the hedgehog depicted on the mural in Hidden Palace Zone due to also seeing it?
up until this point i never understood a single bit of tikal's past for 2 reasons:
1. english dub makes way less sense then japanese subbed.
2. all the scenes are not in order.
i never knew tikal and chaos were sealed in the master emerald. it does explain why the master emerald shattered and why chaos was able to sneak up on knuckles and why tikal was there as well almost unnoticeable imo. apparently chaos was also a greater version of a chao (it's actually in its name) which seriously no one could think at 1st. it also explains why angel island is floating in the air. this is all kind of obscure with the english dub because they are so vague.
It doesn't matter that the English dub makes way less sense then the Japanese I'm sorry to say. As all four of the games from the Dreamcast/Gamecube era need full blown Remakes. Everything about these games needs updating.
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>Angry Chao Noise.
that is the idea to show how he is related to the original chao
YES! more uploads! always makes my day
So these are basically all of them chronologically?
That's Debatable, I see Amy's then Big's then Gamma's Flashbacks all taking place before Knuckles Flashbacks. Amy's was 1st meeting with Chao, Big's was were she was told it was ok for her to be there with the Chao, then Gamma's had Tikal already well familiar with the chao.
Knuckles 1st 2 Flashbacks are more the beginning of the end for Tikal, with his 1st Flashback being an attempt to plead with Pachacamac to not attack the chao & take the Emeralds from them. The 2nd Knuckles Flashback is Tikal trying to get Chaos & the chao to leave so that her father's attack wouldn't succeed only to find out they are unable to leave. Then that night the End would occur depicted in Super Sonic's Story with Sonic & Knuckles witnessing the aftermath.
FINALLY!! I thought it was a no-brainer that someone would've made this years ago but nobody seems to have done it
0:48 caught Tikal in a pretty awkward pose there lol 🤪
How cool would this be if this game would receive a remake? But a bit more exposition on certain scenes from Tikals past and some use of the metal Sonic's Egg-man had in his base.
So that's what happen. Too be honest I like when you explain it
Since the Echidna tribe was featured in the first Sonic movie, I'm really hoping Tikal will be in the sequel. She's one of my most favorite Sonic characters because of this game alone.
Same! And since they change things from the games, maybe she can stick around more
Nope!
@@robonaught I know now. Missed opportunity. :(
And who will be the voice actor of Tikal in Knuckles own series?
11:42 Chaos the Yveltal before Yveltal
This is nice. I am playing this game now and what I like is to play Sonic's story up to right before Lost World and Knuckles's story up to right before Sky Deck, the come back and finish once all other stories are done. This way, all of the story's end flashbacks are shown near the end of the game.
5:59 i know that was lag but my god when the music lags like that it's great
Um, the song is like that???? I don't hear the lag
7:38 Pachacamac: Get Out Of My Way!!! 😡
7:41 Pachacamac: Did You Hear What I Said!!!😡
around 7:40 the audio quality for tikal sounds so good
tikal is my favorite sonic character behind sonic himself
I never got that the Chaos Emeralds were named as such because of the association with Chaos. Huh.
Maybe it was in retrospect, to tie it into the lore, since at this point the chaos emeralds were already a thing in all the 16-Bit games.
If I recall, this was the first reboot of the world (or alternative timelime/universe/whatever).
DanielRotwind it wasn’t really a reboot since humans always existed in the same world as Sonic (I mean we’ve always had Eggman after all), and there were a lot of cities and such in the background of levels, it’s just this game brought a lot of that to the forefront.
anyone else like, irrationally angry at how good the japanese dub is? what the living fuck even WAS the english port.
Something I've been wondering recently is who is Tikal's friend? The one whose shoes the playable characters fill during these flashbacks.
That’s a good question. I doubt Tikal was the only one who felt that way of the Knuckles tribe’s violent nature..
I always took it as she was taking the player back to memories she had when she was alone with the chao, and explaining what was going on to them. Not the player replacing a friend she was talking to back then.
Pretty sure the chao and Chaos were her friends.....
0:47 oh the memes this could make!
So the madness began because of their Chief's greed
Wow, arranging it like this makes it seem like the writers had a story to tell
Because they did
Arranging it like this actually makes it easier for dense people to realize that there was a story in SA that they couldn't piece together because of their short attention span
"Say cheese" 0:49
Me on picture day tho xD
Hi, I'm Tikal, this is my story. I'm showing you something
the chao should release a mixtape
I think I see some connections between the characters and each flashback:
1. Tails' power, aside from flying and tinkering with machinery, comes from his kind heart and loyalty to his friends, plus his tenacity to continue in hard times and development independent from Sonic to "[b]elieve in [him]self" like his song says.
2. Knuckles is learning the history of his people and ancestors, seeing how they got to the Master Emerald whose fragments he's trying to retrieve.
3. Amy has formed a connection with Birdie (similar to Tikal's with Chaos and the Chao), who has a Chaos Emerald in his locket, with Dr. Eggman seeking it in a similar manner to Pachacamac's mad quest for more power for his people.
4. Gamma eventually goes on a quest to "liberate" his brothers from servitude to their master, with the Chao foreshadowing the Flickies inside Beta, Delta, Epsilon, and Zeta.
5. Big is trying to save Froggy from the Chaos piece inside him (which he doesn't know, on top of the anuran having an emerald that the mega feline calls his "lucky charm") and he decided to live in the Mystic Ruins to escape from the bustle and rush of the city (a similar situation to Tikal's attempts to escape her father's propaganda about conquest and violence).
6. Knuckles is further learning about the Master Emerald, fitting his role of making sure no harm comes to it, and it's dawning on him that his people's legends weren't all they were cracked up to be (and some even had unsavory aspects).
7. Sonic is eventually going to transform into Super Sonic, being the one with the positive energy of the emeralds (in contrast to Chaos' negative energy), seeing which gives him the idea to destroy Chaos' hate and liberate the water from the sadness and fury consuming it for 3,000 years plus.
8a. Knuckles' entire world has come crashing down, and he's been witness to one of the most horrific atrocities committed by one of his ancestors' leaders.
8b. Sonic is getting the idea of unifying Tikal and Chaos (again, continuing from the connection in flashback 7), seeing that resealing them will continue the conflict forever, and instead opting to restore Chaos' faith in humanity and showing the Chao coexisting with everyone else. He's getting a clue on what the true power of the Chaos Emeralds can do and what their connection means (which is further explored in _Sonic Frontiers_ about 24 years later).
8c. Sonic is further forming his decision from 8b, seeing the bond between everyone (himself, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Big, Gamma, Birdie, Froggy, Gamma's Flicky, Tikal, Chaos, and the Chao; with the second four and the eighth even bringing the former the emeralds and the ninth two bearing witness to the latter) and deciding to restore it rather than let past wounds fester.
What connections do you think you see?
Thanks this really helps things
I know Sonic Chronicles is questionably canon, and this doesn't relate to SA1's plot or Chaos and Tikal's backstory, but in the beginning of the video when you were going over the origins of the Knuckles Tribe, you should have gone into all that other stuff about what happened with Ix and the Nocturnus Clan.
I think she might have been saying that Gamma's different than the others, and that she told Gamma to not go any closer.
I'm here, reaching this video because of the Sonic Frontiers Prologue Divergence video
Tails = Tikal remembering her Grandmother's poem/prayer about the Chaos Emeralds.
Amy = Tikal first meeting Chaos and the Chao.
Big = Tikal meeting the Master Emerald.
Gamma = Tikal explaining that Chaos is actually a peaceful and well-meaning guardian that just wants to protect the Chao.
Knuckles(1) = Tikal begging Pachamak to not use the Chaos Emeralds for self gain.
Knuckles(2) = Tikal warning the Master Emerald about Pachamak.
Knuckles(3) = The rise of Perfect Chaos.
Sonic(1) = The fallout of the Knuckles Clan's actions.
Sonic(2) = Why Chaos destroyed the Knuckles Clan and how/why he was sealed away inside the Master Emerald in the first place.
I've been following your videos here, quite the nice work you've been doing so far. I wanted to know if you've managed to get your hands on the Saturn Models (JAM/3D Blast) of Sonic, Tails & Knuckles. Maybe even Sonic's and Tails's from SA1.
0:47 oh , lol
Love the way Sonic mentions her visions to Knuckles in Sonic Frontiers on the second Island.
Turn captions ON
Thanks, dude.
Tikal of her voice is Kaori Asoh similar to Princess Jasmine, Ririka, Princess Strawberry, Thumbelina, Blossom 1998, Ms Maryne, Princess Emeraude and Telulu
Those poor little Chaos that were attacked and died still makes me sad to this day 😢
No, nO NO!!!!!!!!!
Wait so that's the reason behind the name??? makes so much more sense now that i think about it...
I watch Big's cutscene, and all I'm imagining is that Big witnesses this and in his mind... is just Froggy dancing with a top hat with an circus organ playing. That or a carton of milk spilling.
this was a good idea to split up the story in different scenes so you can piece them together, but why would anyone know to do that.
Where can I find the transcript of Tikal's Master Emerald prayer in kana and (translated) english? Googling it didn't seem to work and only showed me the Sonic wiki pages for it which are the dub english only.
Pachacamac learned about Emeralds as he was conquering lands? Wasn't Chaos a echidna's national deity all along? I mean Tikal's grandma told her that rhyme about power enriched by the heart.
Funny Enough, pachachamac is Masayoshi Shido in Persona 5
0:48 Tikal, you alright?
Man we need more Chao lore.
8:55
Chaos: "cute chao sound"
HUUAAAAARRGH!
Omg Tikal was beaten by her father's soldiers and he didn't care... wow
Parent awards ":)
Tikal is so cute and loveable, a shame she hardly ever appears
I always mute the 4th scene when I'm playing the game because the Chao's singing chorus always annoys me
Ken Penders: This Sonic lore is mine.
why is tikals voice audio so high quality in scene 7, along with sonics in scene 8
Her facial expressions frightened me.
nice!