@@paulinapatel LOL you have voted ANC for years, vote PA, and tomorrow you will realize, the party is not the problem, the foreigners were not the problem. There are no foreigners in Eastern cape, why is it that pure locals dont have jobs, why are their hospitals lacking medicine and facilities, why is education failing, why is infastructure crumbling. where are the companies and factories. created by local south africans in Eastern cape How many cities has PA developed, Can they make Easter cape another Cape town,
Gayrton is a convicted gangsrer who raped, killed many to steal their money, he say he will suspend the laws and constitution, to rule like a dictator, who is ready for this except his fellow gangsrers,rapists, murderers, robbers, criminals, who will steal companies, mines, business, from people
Yes, its your right to vote for him, but that man is more confused that anyone you know. What he is calling for is not practical and solves nothing. He is just lying to you for cheap votes. If he were to do it the situation can quickly become fluid
FF+ much better and atleast it's a multiracial party, racist black youth however cannot vote whites on JHB however where Corne Mulder leads. It's sad but it shows the problem as Cape Town leader is Peter Mulder (colourd) and the have Zulu Leadership in KZN... 2024 will change everything as black youth refuse to change its liberal marxist ideology. Even the FF+ is calling for foreigners to leave, atleast they have the capacity to do this. PA and ASA don't, they calling for everyone to ho to the army, something noone is going to do! You don't send a nation to the army if you cannot incentivise them. How is the PA going to incentivise the Zulu,Boer and Colourd? How is the PA or ASA going to remove DA and keep western europe out of the Economy. Noone can take black youth Serious
@@mokone4758 if you only knew how much multi million dollars by NGO,s are being put to make sure Zimbabweans are getting legalised in SA you wouldn't say this but let me 🤐🤐🤐
🎯 gayton Mackenzie will “fix” this mess , at this rate Zimbabwe particularly ZANU-PF runs the show here in mzansi all because of stupid ANC politicians
@@theyoungguy1147 I swear they have a deal nd unfortunately we feel it coz we’re at the bottom….. coz what we see on our streeets is not normal to any African country ,it only happens here😥
Gayrton is a convicted gangsrer who raped, killed many to steal their money, he say he will suspend the laws and constitution, to rule like a dictator, who is ready for this except his fellow gangsrers,rapists, murderers, robbers who plan to steal business, mines, companies, factories, buildings, cars, from people
Poor south Africans won't replace maths and physics teachers you want to include as illegal immigrants. This whole exercise is intended to sent a political message that non south africans are no longer wanted here, starting with the legal ones. If motsoaledi was serious about populism, he was supposed to start with illegal immigrants. In all honest, poor south africans won't benefit nothing at all, infact , they stand to benefit from prestige that yeah finally we kicked them out.
I think the SABC asked the public the question wrong. Government isn’t saying Zimbabweans shouldn’t be in SA, it’s saying all people including zembabweans seeking employment in SA should bring critical needed skills not basic skills that we have. This by the way is what the rest of the world is doing and has been doing. But because we’re South Africa, other Africans come to our country and demand we open our borders something that no african country is doing and we’re called Zeno bla for saying no!!
I am surprised that too much privilege is given to foreigners in South Africa as opposed to South Africans. How can our government be taken to court for this matter? Do we have same rights in Zim?
Yes human rights are universal you can exercise them anywhere and anytime. You guys forget that during apartheid era we were keeping you without any problems. As long as the SA government doesn't acknowledge that there is a crisis in Zimbabwe these migration problems will never end.
@@barbaratanyanyiwa4652 that's an old song and we know who really helped us it's Tanzanian,Zambia and Angola,what's surprising about the whole thing is they don't make noise and they are not in majority.
Clearly we lack direction, security, accountability etc, l wish we had that old SA citizens who could stamp their authority and say enough is enough, not very long the government will be taken to court to allow foreigners to take our houses and we must go and stay in the streets
PA members is for convidted gangsters who have killed, maimed, robbed many. Gayton say he will suspend the constitution,. I guess that is all needed by a gangster to create jobs
No, Maimaine we do not pay extra tax in the UK, we just cannot take a job that a British person can have. Go look at their legislation properly before talking.
The host lost the debate totally. The issue about ZEP is about regularising the stay of ZEP holders. The Minister never said people must pack and go. The ZEP is not a standard or legal immigration document. Besides ZEP holders came here to seek political home. The political situation has improved. There’s no war in Zimbabwe. Don’t argue this economically it’s a political problem
Let us educate this ignorant xenophobe for free - war can be physical, psychological, biological, economical etc. Tell us which one ended in Zimbabwe, we give you further free lessons
This has to be a joke right ? I’ve never seen a show so bias 😂😂😂- Where South Africans consulted when they made this ZEP and kept on extending this permit ? Well we are watching this country being sold through the courts and the constitution ,right before our eyes - Also who is Mmusi Maimane speaking for?👀
Your fight is misdirected. Foreign nationals who are African are not your problem. The problem you have is the investors from Asia. They came to loot and go develop their countries while you guys are focusing on African refugees. Asians are looting South Africa the same way they are looting Zimbabwe. Be vigilant people...
@@rosecroco2787 well it looks like you just want to make a conversation for the sake of it I'm not your child that you can send me to do things for you.until you know what you are trying to say just keep quiet.
When you need votes, remember where your loyalty is, we have been unemployed for too long as South Africans and no one is fighting for us, shame on you selfish leaders who can not care for its starving population 😢 Great leaders never down play the cry of their followers or else they will surely revolut
Why you do not go develop Zimbabwe,since you claim to be smart than others.The is also cities in Zimbabwe why you do not go use your intelligents there.Harare is the big dirty city there but you are busy fighting to be a south african.
@@jameskillu9171 what have you built for yourselves in Zimbabwe for the past 40 years of independency or you think SAcn should built more hospitals for kwerekwere's to continue giving birth like rats in SA or what?
@@jameskillu9171 who do u think you are telling me what to do in my own country, I can go anywhere and do whatever I want in my country. Go tell all Zimbabwe to go fix their Rural stinky areas nd stay out of Dirty Harare. In my Eastern we have proper housing and farming we don’t starve Luke you In Zimbabwe Get out of my country we are sick nd tired of you guys, go make noise to your dictator President ……
This is the stance of the DA, the DA wants illegal immigrants, DA ‘s Gwen called Mashaba Zenophobia. Its only the PA that will solve this mess not the DA or anyone.
If they are fighting in a wrong country, haw can they get Zim fixed if they are crying in a wrong platform, they must go back and fixed their own countries, that's all
I thought Mmusi Maimane was a bright leader, how wrong I was The ANC must make sure that these people whom have now become a burden of poor South Africans whilst they benefit the rich with their cheap labour leave our country - they must leave with immediate effect South Africa has so much foreigners even from countries like Bangladesh because our government allows it, this must come to and end Let us stop negotiating with these people, by these people I mean these foreigners and the ANC
mnisi is a very intelligent man learn something from him he is his own boss wena while busy hating zimbabweans thina wena are busy building keep up with your nonsense 👍
@@rosecroco2787e are all intelligent man that must learn something from each other, and you're very right that mnisi is his own boss not mine - calling for proper immigration control is not a hate of Zimbabwean builders but a simple and legal exercise of my political rights as a South African which you are not Your opinion is better saved for your government in Zimbabwe, where South Africans don't stick their noses
South African they might help Zimbabwean but let's say if they stayed for 12Year,what if now they don't want to go back to to their country who is going to rebuild their country cause our South African they don't have work, no place to stayand we South African when we go to Zimbabwe we need Visa although you people you people said we are all African, yes but help your people first then you can help your neighbor but you are wondering when they go to Europe Canada and America to seek for better life which them too they send us back to Africa then how are we going to call South Africa our home🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏🙏🙏??????
South Africa is under attack. Funny A bunch of Zimbabweans are intend on fixing South Africa, its laws, and its international obligations. The irony is too much. As for Pastor Maimane, I have no words...
This s is a lesson to some of us that never ever help a foreigner like Zimbabweans. This is how they will thank you. Did the government consult the citizens when they offer them this permits. NO. But they want to be consulted. Lessons learnt.
we are lucky, we never needed your help. We all know it was you who needed the help of foreigners, We all know all the big cities, malls, companies, factories, roads, power stations, ports, rails, were build by foreigners. iF in doubt, in Eastern Cape where no foreigner go, the cities are undeveloped, there are no jobs, poverty is high. So why dont you take your help to Eastern cape, dear brother, let us see you make a cape town, a durban, a sundton there.
may be, they were in ORANIA, loolking for mines and minerals, buildings or what to steal. always remember these are convicted criminals, gangsrers, and they come with bad reputation. You dont want to expose children to gangsters
There are lots of Zimbabweans on this panel. A lot of South africas are struggling, and no one cares. They will be a reckoning one of these days we are tired
@jameskillu9171 Oh, please. You are considered undesirables in every country you go. What is there to love about you or admire??? You don't even love your own country. You've denigrated yourselves to being pests.
@rosecroco2787 And nobody from SA forced you to come here. If you have any self-dignity, we shouldn't have to force you to leave. You've overstayed your welcome. Blame your leaders. Leave and stop imposing yourself on us.
@@kgosimotsamai first of all i dont live in SA I reside in Canada Second of all all immigrants in SA are allowed to apply for permanent residency after 5/10years thats the law...wena you want to treat immigrants like dogs 🐕 they are human beings with feeling consider that stop blaming innocent people for your laziness anyway why am I wasting my time explaining what you know ciao don't bother replying...
very informative discussion ....great minds . Thanks to the panel & the host.........in summary if africa is to prosper DICTATORS must find no support & sympathy . Emigration problem will be half solved !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's ok let them get all the jobs in south Africa, but tax them and all who supports them, and pay unemployed south Africans with that money we fine we can stay at home and the can work but let them support us and our families
Dr. Motswaledi ist not a liability but an asset. Its painful to listen to people who are not even talking about the economic hardships faced by the South africans. The presenter didn't ask relevant questions. The DHA is not chasing ZEP holders back to their country, but requesting them to apply for mainstream Visas.
Its a shame on u ccc guys and all zanu (ccc)fommer zanu and that zim lawyer who took home affairs minster 2 court .Us mthwakazian we thank s.african a million without this country u were gonna finish us when u were zanu pf gukurahundist
It's confusing how people continue to vote for eff bosa da and ifp while they don't put south african first if we can be well educated and not to following who is loud an famous
There is no country on earth that is developed by locals, from USA, Eutope, , Canada, even Dubai is growing because of foreigners. Without Boers, Britons, and ZIM expertriates, what would SA be Like.... Ntabankulu in the Eastern Cape.
We are talking about about 100 000 people here. I have just buried a brother who is under this permit. Its not like the number of ZEP holders will increase, I don't see why this is much on an issue. In 2030 we might have less than 50 000 people under this permit and later it will be zero. I think people confuse this ZEP with Illegal migration. Unless otherwise this is done as part of campaigning for 2024.
Look at this boy...he sits in the political wilderness...with his big smile and smooth talking like Flatnose Ramaphosa and think he can come to the rescue .... Who on earth is funding this guy???
from all these plp who talking about this zep document thing no one did said anything about initiating the way in which the zimbabweans can endorse and secure their votes for their interested parties in Zim ,
SABC WHY ARE YOU NOT INTERVIEWING SOUTH AFRICAN WHO SRE AFFECTED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, THESE PEOPLE SHOULD FIGHT FOR THEIR COUNTRY, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR AFRICA
What happened SABC? Why this debate is one sided? It's ridiculous and pointless.what are the patriotic learned leaders are saying. One team played against itself in this debate thts why it's pointless.
It has come to light that the holders of Zimbabwean Exemption Permits (ZEP) have children who were born in South Africa. If the government were to terminate these permits, it would lead to the unfortunate separation of families, which directly violates human rights and goes against the principles outlined in the Bill of Rights, rendering such termination unconstitutional.
That doesn't make them South African citizens. Some migrants do come to SA hospitals to give birth and do you think that make those children South African children?
@@ludwembam3515 How should we refer to the descendants of white Europeans who settled in South Africa in the 1600s and were born in the country? Should we consider them foreigners as well?
@@thaboncube6991 But you not answering me chief. Your people come here every now and then to give birth at South Africans tax payers expenses. So you want our government to give them Id's? Uyahlanya.
A child born in SA from both any foreign parents are not south african at birth.However they are eligible to become citizen when they reach 18 if they can prove they never lived anywhere else except SA.White SAns been in SA since 1600.
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck yeh we know you have to be xenophobic or anti African for you to be considered south African anyone whose Pan African is deemed not San
Those that have run from zim during the ruin of Mogabe are now free to can go home cause Mogabe is no more .Thave have got no more bush to bit about , theirs is just to pack and go . The state of South Africans now are the same as theirs when they decided to flee their country. No jobs, poor heath system, crouded schools ,poor service delivery so let our goverment deal with those things for its own people
Without Boers, Britons, and ZIM, people jburg, capetown, Durban, would possibly be like another. Ntabankulu in the Eastern Cape. Those who say foreigners are taking jobs away, there are no foreigners in Eastern Cape, why dont they all have jobs.....why are the pure locals not developing their land,
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck no illegal foreigners, and the legal ones their number should be also limited coz we really dont like having you in our country but the way you are so desperate you wont understand that we have the right to say what we want and what we dont want in our own country
The comments prove that South Africans are not amused 😂..you celebrated Human rights coz it allowed gays freedom but you didn't know that it protects immigrants
SABC is so biased, they even hand picked a few foreigners for their comments without touching any SAcan. So pathetic. I normally do not watch such programmes.
South Africans should create their own jobs, and stop asking for government handouts.... Arts and crafts, making food, cleaning services, garden services, dilivery services, tuck shops ect, ect.... I know plenty Zimbabweans who have created employment for south Africans.. stop blaming others for your own failures...
Yes Miamaine teach everyone to understand immigration policies only Aaron must document people instead of fighting those already documented to know who is who, criminal or not. Criminals do not want to be documented so are giving them a lifeline to mix with innocent people
We are talking about zep holders not illegal immigrants do not mix issues going home is not a solution here people must know also that South Africans are in other countries enjoying same international immigration procedures so the is no exceptionals
@@kainosmafekeni1937 180 000 Zimbabweans are employed with some of them employed permanently, in jobs that South Africans can do, our brothers and sisters are sitting at home while zimbos fled their country making demands in ours like we owe them something, they were not here when our parents were fighting the apartheid. South Africans in other countries are employed in the scarce skills sector…you are talking from a position of previledge
I agree with you Zimbo dog, lazy people don’t wanna go to their country and fight, the cry like babies for the opportunities of other people in their countries…the are even lazy to go home and vote, very useless🚮
Sibanda is that fool that once said “Xenophobia is a criminal offence in South Africa” he thinks he is some kind of expert in the SA constitution but is a deadwood when it comes to Zimbabwean issues
It's confusing how people continue to vote for eff bosa da and ifp while they don't put south african first if we can be well educated and not to following who is loud an famous
Hard working people always wanna insert themselves in already made societies to claim victory for something they never participated in. Hard workers leave the cesspo..ol and never wanna work on them.
Which Sans is Maimane talking for. We will meet him at the polls. Come 2024. Hopefully Zimbabweans will vote for him. See you the Maimane.
@@paulinapatel LOL you have voted ANC for years, vote PA, and tomorrow you will realize, the party is not the problem, the foreigners were not the problem. There are no foreigners in Eastern cape, why is it that pure locals dont have jobs, why are their hospitals lacking medicine and facilities, why is education failing, why is infastructure crumbling. where are the companies and factories. created by local south africans in Eastern cape How many cities has PA developed, Can they make Easter cape another Cape town,
Vote PA
bla bla bla bla sing the national anthem we are tired of you playing victims
Lets Vote PA south africans please,lets let Gayton solve this issue for us. Malema,DA and ANC they will all not help us.
Gayrton is a convicted gangsrer who raped, killed many to steal their money, he say he will suspend the laws and constitution, to rule like a dictator, who is ready for this except his fellow gangsrers,rapists, murderers, robbers, criminals, who will steal companies, mines, business, from people
You are a dreamer...
I'm with you. I'm voting PA. 🇿🇦
Yes, its your right to vote for him, but that man is more confused that anyone you know. What he is calling for is not practical and solves nothing. He is just lying to you for cheap votes. If he were to do it the situation can quickly become fluid
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This man called BOSA is useless.....VIVA PA AND ACTION SA❤❤❤❤
FF+ much better and atleast it's a multiracial party, racist black youth however cannot vote whites on JHB however where Corne Mulder leads. It's sad but it shows the problem as Cape Town leader is Peter Mulder (colourd) and the have Zulu Leadership in KZN...
2024 will change everything as black youth refuse to change its liberal marxist ideology.
Even the FF+ is calling for foreigners to leave, atleast they have the capacity to do this. PA and ASA don't, they calling for everyone to ho to the army, something noone is going to do! You don't send a nation to the army if you cannot incentivise them. How is the PA going to incentivise the Zulu,Boer and Colourd? How is the PA or ASA going to remove DA and keep western europe out of the Economy. Noone can take black youth Serious
These zimbos think it’s gonna be Christmas forever in South Africa while we fold our arms and watch…they gonna see flames🤞🏾
You think so??????
wena you are the useless one look at yourself in the mirror
@@mokone4758 if you only knew how much multi million dollars by NGO,s are being put to make sure Zimbabweans are getting legalised in SA you wouldn't say this but let me 🤐🤐🤐
Gayton Mackenzie plz rescues us coz you’re the only one who seems to understand our pain 😢
🎯 gayton Mackenzie will “fix” this mess , at this rate Zimbabwe particularly ZANU-PF runs the show here in mzansi all because of stupid ANC politicians
@@theyoungguy1147 I swear they have a deal nd unfortunately we feel it coz we’re at the bottom….. coz what we see on our streeets is not normal to any African country ,it only happens here😥
Gayrton is a convicted gangsrer who raped, killed many to steal their money, he say he will suspend the laws and constitution, to rule like a dictator, who is ready for this except his fellow gangsrers,rapists, murderers, robbers who plan to steal business, mines, companies, factories, buildings, cars, from people
Lol
@@theyoungguy1147lol wow wow clap for yourself
Nobody is talking about poor South Africans.
Only Gayton Mckenzi feels our pain in this country 😢
Poor south Africans won't replace maths and physics teachers you want to include as illegal immigrants. This whole exercise is intended to sent a political message that non south africans are no longer wanted here, starting with the legal ones. If motsoaledi was serious about populism, he was supposed to start with illegal immigrants. In all honest, poor south africans won't benefit nothing at all, infact , they stand to benefit from prestige that yeah finally we kicked them out.
cry baby
I think the SABC asked the public the question wrong.
Government isn’t saying Zimbabweans shouldn’t be in SA, it’s saying all people including zembabweans seeking employment in SA should bring critical needed skills not basic skills that we have.
This by the way is what the rest of the world is doing and has been doing.
But because we’re South Africa, other Africans come to our country and demand we open our borders something that no african country is doing and we’re called Zeno bla for saying no!!
I am surprised that too much privilege is given to foreigners in South Africa as opposed to South Africans. How can our government be taken to court for this matter? Do we have same rights in Zim?
Yes human rights are universal you can exercise them anywhere and anytime. You guys forget that during apartheid era we were keeping you without any problems. As long as the SA government doesn't acknowledge that there is a crisis in Zimbabwe these migration problems will never end.
@@barbaratanyanyiwa4652 that's an old song and we know who really helped us it's Tanzanian,Zambia and Angola,what's surprising about the whole thing is they don't make noise and they are not in majority.
@@barbaratanyanyiwa4652 SLUMbaweans did nothing for SA in fact SA has been carrying SLUMbaweans for than 20 years
Stop being lazy,go to ths courts in Zim and test,
Clearly we lack direction, security, accountability etc, l wish we had that old SA citizens who could stamp their authority and say enough is enough, not very long the government will be taken to court to allow foreigners to take our houses and we must go and stay in the streets
Vote the PA and this mess will be over.
PA members is for convidted gangsters who have killed, maimed, robbed many. Gayton say he will suspend the constitution,. I guess that is all needed by a gangster to create jobs
Keep dreaming !!!
Gray will always be gray
that is so true
I'm in. I like the PA and don't see why one would not vote for it.
No, Maimaine we do not pay extra tax in the UK, we just cannot take a job that a British person can have. Go look at their legislation properly before talking.
come home and take jobs in Eastern cape, There are no foreiigners there
You obsessed about eastern cape wena msunu wekwerekwere likamugabe .unukisa ikhwapha le ko Eastern Cape now 🤧🤮your Armpits
Zimbambweans are very vocal to the government of South Africa, not of Zim.
yes we are what are you going to do ?? stop blaming us for your laziness
yebo yes
If you followed Zim politics you would know that your claim is untrue
The host lost the debate totally. The issue about ZEP is about regularising the stay of ZEP holders. The Minister never said people must pack and go. The ZEP is not a standard or legal immigration document. Besides ZEP holders came here to seek political home. The political situation has improved. There’s no war in Zimbabwe. Don’t argue this economically it’s a political problem
Let us educate this ignorant xenophobe for free - war can be physical, psychological, biological, economical etc. Tell us which one ended in Zimbabwe, we give you further free lessons
This has to be a joke right ? I’ve never seen a show so bias 😂😂😂- Where South Africans consulted when they made this ZEP and kept on extending this permit ? Well we are watching this country being sold through the courts and the constitution ,right before our eyes - Also who is Mmusi Maimane speaking for?👀
To all Xenophobes, what permit do you need to work and live in ORANIA, were you consulted when ORANIA was created
Your fight is misdirected. Foreign nationals who are African are not your problem. The problem you have is the investors from Asia. They came to loot and go develop their countries while you guys are focusing on African refugees. Asians are looting South Africa the same way they are looting Zimbabwe. Be vigilant people...
This was a Zimbabwe program it has nothing to do with us.
it has everything to do with u
@@rosecroco2787in what sense
@@JohnHaze4666 go figure
@@rosecroco2787 well it looks like you just want to make a conversation for the sake of it I'm not your child that you can send me to do things for you.until you know what you are trying to say just keep quiet.
@@JohnHaze4666 👏 I'm busy at work don't have time to argue with fools sorry....take care don't waste your time replying 🙂.
When you need votes, remember where your loyalty is, we have been unemployed for too long as South Africans and no one is fighting for us, shame on you selfish leaders who can not care for its starving population 😢
Great leaders never down play the cry of their followers or else they will surely revolut
Whether this 180k send back what guarantee you have to secure a job.whether they go or not you still be unemployed. Government does not create job.
True
But what about the South Africans who are not working because it seems as if Zimbabweans issues are taken more seriously
first of stop blaming zimbabweans for laziness be creative
@@rosecroco2787You nailed it😂😂 Why do you say you have no job while you are sitted
We owe zimbabiens nothing
who said you owe us, go develop Eastern cape with the money you have, create cities there, create jobs for locals since there are no foreigners there
Why you do not go develop Zimbabwe,since you claim to be smart than others.The is also cities in Zimbabwe why you do not go use your intelligents there.Harare is the big dirty city there but you are busy fighting to be a south african.
Don’t worry patriot, they are going to be dealt with properly
@@jameskillu9171 what have you built for yourselves in Zimbabwe for the past 40 years of independency or you think SAcn should built more hospitals for kwerekwere's to continue giving birth like rats in SA or what?
@@jameskillu9171 who do u think you are telling me what to do in my own country, I can go anywhere and do whatever I want in my country. Go tell all Zimbabwe to go fix their Rural stinky areas nd stay out of Dirty Harare. In my Eastern we have proper housing and farming we don’t starve Luke you In Zimbabwe
Get out of my country we are sick nd tired of you guys, go make noise to your dictator President ……
Dr Sibanda, well spoke
And people say DA was racist for getting rid of Maimane, can't take a stand for SAns
This is the stance of the DA, the DA wants illegal immigrants, DA ‘s Gwen called Mashaba Zenophobia. Its only the PA that will solve this mess not the DA or anyone.
just because you are xenophobic anc he refused to join your evil club
If they are fighting in a wrong country, haw can they get Zim fixed if they are crying in a wrong platform, they must go back and fixed their own countries, that's all
I thought Mmusi Maimane was a bright leader, how wrong I was
The ANC must make sure that these people whom have now become a burden of poor South Africans whilst they benefit the rich with their cheap labour leave our country - they must leave with immediate effect
South Africa has so much foreigners even from countries like Bangladesh because our government allows it, this must come to and end
Let us stop negotiating with these people, by these people I mean these foreigners and the ANC
Make sense
By initially choosing DA, his intelligence should have been questionable to you.
You are getting mad that Maimane has refused to join your club of loosers, the bitter xenophobes.
mnisi is a very intelligent man learn something from him he is his own boss wena while busy hating zimbabweans thina wena are busy building keep up with your nonsense 👍
@@rosecroco2787e are all intelligent man that must learn something from each other, and you're very right that mnisi is his own boss not mine - calling for proper immigration control is not a hate of Zimbabwean builders but a simple and legal exercise of my political rights as a South African which you are not
Your opinion is better saved for your government in Zimbabwe, where South Africans don't stick their noses
South African they might help Zimbabwean but let's say if they stayed for 12Year,what if now they don't want to go back to to their country who is going to rebuild their country cause our South African they don't have work, no place to stayand we South African when we go to Zimbabwe we need Visa although you people you people said we are all African, yes but help your people first then you can help your neighbor but you are wondering when they go to Europe Canada and America to seek for better life which them too they send us back to Africa then how are we going to call South Africa our home🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏🙏🙏??????
South Africa is under attack. Funny A bunch of Zimbabweans are intend on fixing South Africa, its laws, and its international obligations. The irony is too much.
As for Pastor Maimane, I have no words...
Pastor Maimane has no clout.
auntie Maimane talks rubbish
This is nonsense
This s is a lesson to some of us that never ever help a foreigner like Zimbabweans. This is how they will thank you. Did the government consult the citizens when they offer them this permits. NO. But they want to be consulted. Lessons learnt.
Vote PA
we are lucky, we never needed your help. We all know it was you who needed the help of foreigners, We all know all the big cities, malls, companies, factories, roads, power stations, ports, rails, were build by foreigners. iF in doubt, in Eastern Cape where no foreigner go, the cities are undeveloped, there are no jobs, poverty is high. So why dont you take your help to Eastern cape, dear brother, let us see you make a cape town, a durban, a sundton there.
Evil
you want zimbabweans to kiss your feet ??
Kkkkkk law does not work with emotions 😂😂😂tsano
You invited the wrong people here. The panel of guests is not balanced. Why did you leave out people like Gayton McKenzie or Ike Khumalo?
may be, they were in ORANIA, loolking for mines and minerals, buildings or what to steal. always remember these are convicted criminals, gangsrers, and they come with bad reputation. You dont want to expose children to gangsters
truth hates lol she lol get it together
ANC is playing us! SABC is controlled by the ANC and Motsoaledi is ANC and the Justice system is ANC. Kudlaliwe ngathi
SABC is not balanced
Reason I stopped watching this channel. The professionalism on that channel leave a bitter taste in the mouth.
We are watching and happy,
I think you are talking about yourself
@rosecroco2787 "you think" not sure
I'm definitely voting for PA😂 after a few seconds watching this
do u
I'm really. puzzled here. why don't these foreigners. go their countries. and demand these rights that they think they have? South African vote wisely
There are lots of Zimbabweans on this panel. A lot of South africas are struggling, and no one cares. They will be a reckoning one of these days we are tired
lol
This is nonsense.
Does SA budget for millions of foreigners for healthcare education and social services.
foreners pay taxes ok
Mass deportation
Mnisi Maimane is a rare gem. I urge people to recognize that. He has just touched the Zambian issue, true to the point
Sorry.they.must.go.home...they.tell.what.to.doo.in.ur.country.SA.wakeup.we.r.sinking
Mnisi or Mmusi I am confused 🤔 here
@@jaquelineleepile5297 haàaaaaaaaaha ha haaaaaaa bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla until the cows come home 🏡 blaaaaaaa bla bla aaaaaaaaa.
Wow! Journalism gone to the dogs. What kind of discussions are these? Scripted excuses that make no sense. SABC an embarrassment.😢
The guy in glasses. Halfway through the interview shows mind blowing entittlement. Demands SA government to negotiate on their behalf
yari yari yari
Don't forget the same guy got to SA illigal but was given amnesty can you believe it
This world belong to Jesus christ ,to be alive is grace in the first place ,who are we , lets love one another look further than earth
Not at our expense.
Where was the world belong to Jesus when Zimbabweans chase white farmers
Yes bro l wonder why some people still full of hate while you are still a sinner, Repent and surrender you life to the Jesus
We've noticed that ATM's Zungula has been censored by the SABC.
Mxm mmusi ukhuluma udoti.
coz u r not intelligent enough to grasp what he is saying akungeni lol
When you are a visitor you must be a visitor I say go back to your house then goooooooo
So, rather fight the South African laws than fight your òppressivè government?
Machenzi will help us soon
President Mmusi Maimane is on to something. Something that will help SADC and Africa as a whole.
Africa unite, the wound of one is the wound of all.
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I’m not suprised by Mmusi ‘s nonsense, he has always been useless😒
Mmusi is a man of great character, he has proved that you dont need to be evil to be blessed. love wins all the time,
@@jameskillu9171 even Nelson Chamisa is better than Mmusi Maimane, don’t you think so Zimbo boi?
PA is. going to lead this Banana country is going to come right viva P A SA ANC is stepping down.
This is a Bunch of BS going here. I couldn't even finish watching.
You will come back and watch it, when your heart learn how to love, my dearest.
nobody forced you to watch blame your eyes and ears
@jameskillu9171 Oh, please. You are considered undesirables in every country you go. What is there to love about you or admire??? You don't even love your own country. You've denigrated yourselves to being pests.
@rosecroco2787 And nobody from SA forced you to come here. If you have any self-dignity, we shouldn't have to force you to leave. You've overstayed your welcome. Blame your leaders. Leave and stop imposing yourself on us.
@@kgosimotsamai first of all i dont live in SA I reside in Canada Second of all all immigrants in SA are allowed to apply for permanent residency after 5/10years thats the law...wena you want to treat immigrants like dogs 🐕 they are human beings with feeling consider that stop blaming innocent people for your laziness anyway why am I wasting my time explaining what you know ciao don't bother replying...
Tell them Maimane💃
very informative discussion ....great minds . Thanks to the panel & the host.........in summary if africa is to prosper DICTATORS must find no support & sympathy . Emigration problem will be half solved !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's ok let them get all the jobs in south Africa, but tax them and all who supports them, and pay unemployed south Africans with that money we fine we can stay at home and the can work but let them support us and our families
😂😂😂😂you would love that
Go to Eastern Cape, and wait for support from there. You will be living in a place with no foreigner to steal your job
Respect South African laws as much as you respect Zimbabwen laws , every country has its own laws ,those laws needs to be respected and followed
Appreciated Mr president Mussi
Vot pA bantu kukhishwe le ANC umunswaleti udlalile ngabantu usezovula iboda manje asivoteleni PA viva PA
Dr. Motswaledi ist not a liability but an asset. Its painful to listen to people who are not even talking about the economic hardships faced by the South africans. The presenter didn't ask relevant questions. The DHA is not chasing ZEP holders back to their country, but requesting them to apply for mainstream Visas.
Its a shame on u ccc guys and all zanu (ccc)fommer zanu and that zim lawyer who took home affairs minster 2 court .Us mthwakazian we thank s.african a million without this country u were gonna finish us when u were zanu pf gukurahundist
Now SAns will be under suctions, Zimbabwe runs to SA, now under the caming suctions where SAns gonna run to which country.
How do you invite people who all agree on a show 😅
It's confusing how people continue to vote for eff bosa da and ifp while they don't put south african first if we can be well educated and not to following who is loud an famous
What the bibles says about how we treat foreigners
It says the foriegners must observ and follow the laws of host country not other way round
The Bible says foreigners will come and takeover your country, and you will end up working for them.Wake up South Africans 💪
@@modisemakokwe4256 You are still deceived 😅
@@MbongeniGumede ok clever man😁
no one is for the interests of SA people
We should learn from China, UK and China
There is no country on earth that is developed by locals, from USA, Eutope, , Canada, even Dubai is growing because of foreigners. Without Boers, Britons, and ZIM expertriates, what would SA be Like.... Ntabankulu in the Eastern Cape.
We are talking about about 100 000 people here. I have just buried a brother who is under this permit. Its not like the number of ZEP holders will increase, I don't see why this is much on an issue. In 2030 we might have less than 50 000 people under this permit and later it will be zero. I think people confuse this ZEP with Illegal migration. Unless otherwise this is done as part of campaigning for 2024.
Look at this boy...he sits in the political wilderness...with his big smile and smooth talking like Flatnose Ramaphosa and think he can come to the rescue .... Who on earth is funding this guy???
from all these plp who talking about this zep document thing
no one did said anything about initiating the way in which the zimbabweans can endorse and secure their votes
for their interested parties in Zim ,
Well spoken by the last speaker from the streets
SABC WHY ARE YOU NOT INTERVIEWING SOUTH AFRICAN WHO SRE AFFECTED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, THESE PEOPLE SHOULD FIGHT FOR THEIR COUNTRY, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR AFRICA
Okay
Make them citizens but they should stop crossing the border as they wish. They should also stop burying each in Zim.
Its earthly to fight for vanity others did not make it to tdy lets be gratefull
But why can't this useless media interview SA citizens?
Western consept ❤AFRICA MUST KEEP FIGHTING EACH OTHER ❤✊🏿❤
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What happened SABC? Why this debate is one sided? It's ridiculous and pointless.what are the patriotic learned leaders are saying. One team played against itself in this debate thts why it's pointless.
Why they dnt invest in their country mackenzi will help us sa
It has come to light that the holders of Zimbabwean Exemption Permits (ZEP) have children who were born in South Africa. If the government were to terminate these permits, it would lead to the unfortunate separation of families, which directly violates human rights and goes against the principles outlined in the Bill of Rights, rendering such termination unconstitutional.
That doesn't make them South African citizens. Some migrants do come to SA hospitals to give birth and do you think that make those children South African children?
@@ludwembam3515 How should we refer to the descendants of white Europeans who settled in South Africa in the 1600s and were born in the country? Should we consider them foreigners as well?
@@thaboncube6991 But you not answering me chief. Your people come here every now and then to give birth at South Africans tax payers expenses. So you want our government to give them Id's? Uyahlanya.
A child born in SA from both any foreign parents are not south african at birth.However they are eligible to become citizen when they reach 18 if they can prove they never lived anywhere else except SA.White SAns been in SA since 1600.
@@michelkakeya3825 You are 100% correct
Mmusi looks like Charles Taylor of Liberia
That Maimane guy is Brilliant he is an International leader
Like Malema, they make sense only to foreigners.
His not a South African leader that's for sure
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck you are not south african
@@rosecroco2787 I have an ID to prove you otherwise
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck yeh we know you have to be xenophobic or anti African for you to be considered south African anyone whose Pan African is deemed not San
Musi Maimane makes a lot of sense!
To foreigners yes, no sense to us.
Musi ìs right
Those SANS Maimaine I need to remind you is on high skill job permits.
is it too cold and dump in uk,
Those that have run from zim during the ruin of Mogabe are now free to can go home cause Mogabe is no more .Thave have got no more bush to bit about , theirs is just to pack and go . The state of South Africans now are the same as theirs when they decided to flee their country. No jobs, poor heath system, crouded schools ,poor service delivery so let our goverment deal with those things for its own people
Without Boers, Britons, and ZIM, people jburg, capetown, Durban, would possibly be like another. Ntabankulu in the Eastern Cape. Those who say foreigners are taking jobs away, there are no foreigners in Eastern Cape, why dont they all have jobs.....why are the pure locals not developing their land,
go back home you are not cursed by SAcn
You are talking nonsense. Why can't you develop your country and stop being nonsense in other people's country
😂😂😂 no foreigners. Wat rock are you living under
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck no illegal foreigners, and the legal ones their number should be also limited coz we really dont like having you in our country but the way you are so desperate you wont understand that we have the right to say what we want and what we dont want in our own country
Tell them Dr Ncube
SA never hit its reset button so these problems will persist
Mmmm,26th African union go 'n listen what the late Robert Mugabe said.
Our country is in the state of decay because of these neighbors they are not clean shame
lawe u r not clean
his is one off the most horrible interviews ive ever seen everyone just agreeing with each other
The comments prove that South Africans are not amused 😂..you celebrated Human rights coz it allowed gays freedom but you didn't know that it protects immigrants
SA should annex all of SADC, then we can all be tax paying South Africans.
NO. We will never know peace. Some Nations cannot coexist. Ever
What are you waiting for, vuvuzela?
Backwards mid
SABC is so biased, they even hand picked a few foreigners for their comments without touching any SAcan. So pathetic. I normally do not watch such programmes.
South Africans should create their own jobs, and stop asking for government handouts.... Arts and crafts, making food, cleaning services, garden services, dilivery services, tuck shops ect, ect.... I know plenty Zimbabweans who have created employment for south Africans.. stop blaming others for your own failures...
Yes Miamaine teach everyone to understand immigration policies only Aaron must document people instead of fighting those already documented to know who is who, criminal or not. Criminals do not want to be documented so are giving them a lifeline to mix with innocent people
How you document illegal mogrants.
Go home kwerekwere
We are talking about zep holders not illegal immigrants do not mix issues going home is not a solution here people must know also that South Africans are in other countries enjoying same international immigration procedures so the is no exceptionals
@@kainosmafekeni1937 180 000 Zimbabweans are employed with some of them employed permanently, in jobs that South Africans can do, our brothers and sisters are sitting at home while zimbos fled their country making demands in ours like we owe them something, they were not here when our parents were fighting the apartheid. South Africans in other countries are employed in the scarce skills sector…you are talking from a position of previledge
Lazy pple always complain
yes they always complain in foreign countries instead of rebuilding and developing their own falling apart countries that looks like zoo
I agree with you Zimbo dog, lazy people don’t wanna go to their country and fight, the cry like babies for the opportunities of other people in their countries…the are even lazy to go home and vote, very useless🚮
Who is lazy
@@siphiwebapela1969you 😂
Sibanda is that fool that once said “Xenophobia is a criminal offence in South Africa” he thinks he is some kind of expert in the SA constitution but is a deadwood when it comes to Zimbabwean issues
Xenophobia is apartheid. both are evil , practised by the wicked,
He was right. Xenophobia is actually a crime against humanity.
bla until have the cows come home 🏡
@@allee9539Mxm
It's confusing how people continue to vote for eff bosa da and ifp while they don't put south african first if we can be well educated and not to following who is loud an famous
Lazy pple always complain
You are talking nonsense. What do you want in South Africa
Hard working people always wanna insert themselves in already made societies to claim victory for something they never participated in. Hard workers leave the cesspo..ol and never wanna work on them.
Entitled people always fight for wat they don't own😂
@@WalterWhite-bc8ck I couldn't have said it any better.
@@WNdaba😂😂