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@@vickers099 Honestly his clutches that he has pulled off have been such 200IQ decision making, along with insane aim, his demeanour and clutches remind me of Xyp9x.
One thing about this NaVi tho... They seem incredibly resilient to slow starts, one of the most valuable traits in a top team. Much like FaZe at the end of CSGO. It's really quite fascinating to see NaVi play without s1mple tbh! Top1 without a doubt!
The shoryuken is a pretty good analogy, in Street Fighter 6 there are 1 button shoryukens but if you choose to use them, you get a damage penalty by 20% ish and you lose some of the basic moves
Aleksib might still be underrated and in Blade's shadow, especially on the T side. But then again Blade's structure is the big deal making this team go at this level, aleksib alone would not be able multiply them as much on his own. Also an elite coach takes the load off the IGL, allowing him to focus on his core competence. Another thing about Blade is that he can be at his best in NAVI since the org trusts him and values him massively. If put into G2 or Liquid, they would just kick him out the moment their star players stop "vibing" with his system, so there is that too.
I think the problem with swapping in a better player on navi is what their ability to work with the system is. There's a reason they got better when S1MPLE left.
"Counter strafing is such an essential part of this game", The question sould then be: why is it essential, how does it improve the game. And then the follow up: does this floor raising detract from the counter-strafing additions at all?
I'm nothing if not consistent but I'm always amazed that people don't mention NAF who plays ALL the same positions as Jimpphat and puts up better numbers against the same opponents and always goes up a level in arena. And yes this is in CS2 with Liquid being in a mess. And has tournament MVPs playing this role, at age 21 and this was after Taco left. (He also had MVP at 19 but that was from Star Roles) Not to take away from Jimpphat who is 10 years NAF's junior, just to point out that he is not entirely unique in his role.
I'm pretty sure Machine said this line on Niko's 1v5 deagle ace on cache short. But from what Thorin said Machine was also just copying whoever first made that phrase 😂
Counter strafing with W and S is actually unchanged because you could never overlap inputs with those two keys since you're using the same finger for both. Nulls are very strong only because they remove the human error of overlapping inputs meaning as long as you tap the opposite movement key you will always 100% get a frame perfect counter strafe. If this should be considered cheating is debatable considering Valve probably never intended counter strafing to be reliant on keyboard delay and stuff anyway. What speaks for the last point is the fact that Valve allows this.
Why snap tap is cheating is so easy to understand. It boils down to; the keyboard deactivates a switch for you. Thats it. Nothing to do with skill. Its a hardware script. It lowers the skill ceiling.
maui is insane, with HALLZERK you know what you're getting? one map he will miss 15 easy shots in a row, singlehandedly losing it and then on the next map he'll get 30+ kills including several 1vX clutches. to even bring hallzerk up is insane. also torszi is hardly a better example. he had looong droughts already where he was playing poorly for several events in a row.
The thing with nikos teams they are never winning as a team or even really playing as a team it's always individual's but it's a team game as navi showed
1:09:40 I strong disagree with KINGT here: Why do people fight for those players? Because they are fans of these players. I would never want Navi to cut b1t. Unless he becomes a tier 2 or even tier 3 player, I want him to stay. That's because I am fan of his, I loved watching him in 2021 up until now. I, as a Navi fan, am fan of the players + Coach not necessarily of the organisation. If the entire Navi lineup would switch to let's say Dignitas, I would become a Dignitas fan. Would acquiring someone who's 10% better/more consistant than b1t make Navi better? Probably. But I personally would lose interest in the team if it's just some random Danish, Swedish or whatever guy joining. It already hurt to see s1mple, electronic, Perfecto and Boombl4 go. I would rather take a Navi that's a 6/10 but with players I like than a 10/10 Navi with players I don't care about. I get it, as an analyst, commentator or journalist you are not a fan of a certain team, thus making you not caring about the indiviual players. But I, as a fan, do care about the players.
thorinn, i know that EWC wasn't a prestigious event in terms of historic counter strike events, but if all the best teams in the world attend, why can the result not be considered a T1 championship?
I like BO1's from the viewers perspective. I get to see many teams playing each other in 1 day. It probably sucks for the teams though to place their fate on a single map.
I respect Thorin's opinion but Xyp9x consistently put up great numbers every other game rather 1 in 15 tournaments and lets forget. MR12 has inflated stats compared to MR16. Xyp was putting great numbers 2016-2019. (I went through his stats from 2016-19 on HLTV) I do agree Jimpphat is revolutionizing Support/Anchor position by being super aggressive while being Calculative and he is the 1st Anchor/Support Superstar in CS2 but in all of CS. it has to be Xyp9x 1st then you can put whosoever want to put next.
Reddit's overreaction to EWC results were indeed crazy. From "G2's snax/new roster critisisms COMPLETELY rebuked" to "Navi was always the best team look at them just winning world championships this year". While the tournament itself had some of the worst cs played in it. Literally every top4 team just wasn't ready at all, they all looked like they just got out of bed in the games where they got knocked out in. That should tell you something, if top4 teams can't be arsed to power up for it even just a bit. On the contrary it was just a b1t who powered up for this.
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Always a pleasure and a privilege to be on the show, hopefully the viewers enjoy it as much as I did.
Was great to see you on here, always nice to listen to your opinions on CS!
Thorin saying GYATTemala was not on my bingo board for this one
Wild indeed, he's larping being cool with the zoomies
i don't think i ever cringed this hard while watching his content
KingT should have 100k subs
Gonna have to hard agree with this
The fact we don’t need AI edits to have Thorin say zoomer shit
1:41:14 All timer Snake and Banter moment
Thorin pulling a hawk tuah wasn't on my bingo card 😂 . Hard to replay that part
Jimi has the energy of a middle aged father of three from Kansas City who does the estimating for an HVAC company
@@scottsneed7333 17 year old Jimi with 60 years of experience hmm
@@vickers099 Honestly his clutches that he has pulled off have been such 200IQ decision making, along with insane aim, his demeanour and clutches remind me of Xyp9x.
20:05 I always have imagined Jimmi's aesthetic as that of a friendly insurance agent 🤷♂️
gr8 episode as always -- maui's point about counter strafing while moving diagonally is actually gamebreaking.
At 16:30 i'm pretty sure Thorin is talking about JJonak, before JJkonak there was also Ryujehong who was an incredible Ana player.
as a Swede, the awp issue in NA is very relatable. Our last decent awp was probs JW in 1947
Super excited to see T on this show again. Keep bringing this man on!
One thing about this NaVi tho... They seem incredibly resilient to slow starts, one of the most valuable traits in a top team. Much like FaZe at the end of CSGO. It's really quite fascinating to see NaVi play without s1mple tbh! Top1 without a doubt!
AleksiBlade Era
KingT is low key one of the more funnier guests, good stuff.
love how maui just used a good point for his "bad point"
The shoryuken is a pretty good analogy, in Street Fighter 6 there are 1 button shoryukens but if you choose to use them, you get a damage penalty by 20% ish and you lose some of the basic moves
This should be a spicy episode. I can't wait for the next Hot Take Point Made though. 😅
HTPM is best show, agreed
@@StrappinYoungChad My favourite kassad response after Mauii makes a long elaborate point is when he just begins with "Absolutely not."
@@whoaitstiger........"are you insane"😂
@wintc Agreed.
Aleksib might still be underrated and in Blade's shadow, especially on the T side.
But then again Blade's structure is the big deal making this team go at this level, aleksib alone would not be able multiply them as much on his own. Also an elite coach takes the load off the IGL, allowing him to focus on his core competence.
Another thing about Blade is that he can be at his best in NAVI since the org trusts him and values him massively. If put into G2 or Liquid, they would just kick him out the moment their star players stop "vibing" with his system, so there is that too.
Great to see kingT
Always a great guest
Good episode. Well balanced.
We going to gyattamal with this one
Jimmy reminds me a lot of ZywOo, a quiet and shy guy who is a prodigy in his position! Imagine this two playing together...
Not me thinking I would buy some deodorant after an episode of Snake & Banter.
Watching Thorin use a gluck gluck joke as part of a point is not what I expected to watch before I go to bed
Holyshit i dont watch dota 2 but zai used to the same style in hon when he was like 12
Return of the goat guest!
I think the problem with swapping in a better player on navi is what their ability to work with the system is. There's a reason they got better when S1MPLE left.
BritishTechTips as guest
6:42 Not just tough positions, but frankly DESPICABLE positions imo
LETS GO KINGT
Thorin's Good Point about Gaimin Gladiators, isnt that what happened with Heroic?
Plain and s1mple why w0ndeful is underrated ;)
Again, well said by thorin especially on maui's ugly point
gyattemala - duncan thorin shields
"Counter strafing is such an essential part of this game", The question sould then be: why is it essential, how does it improve the game. And then the follow up: does this floor raising detract from the counter-strafing additions at all?
01:45:15 this gets my like thorin!
GYATEMALA 😂
Still need the breaks between maps and matches to be reduced.
UGLY: MVP's have turned into consolation awards.
Always nice to see KingT on the show
Lets gooo
I'm nothing if not consistent but I'm always amazed that people don't mention NAF who plays ALL the same positions as Jimpphat and puts up better numbers against the same opponents and always goes up a level in arena. And yes this is in CS2 with Liquid being in a mess.
And has tournament MVPs playing this role, at age 21 and this was after Taco left. (He also had MVP at 19 but that was from Star Roles)
Not to take away from Jimpphat who is 10 years NAF's junior, just to point out that he is not entirely unique in his role.
18:50 anyone knows what clip Thorin is talking about?
sounds like an old megaman clip but i could be misremembering
I'm pretty sure Machine said this line on Niko's 1v5 deagle ace on cache short. But from what Thorin said Machine was also just copying whoever first made that phrase 😂
I believe its this clip, its actually s1mple though - ua-cam.com/video/hfVJwJ94dtM/v-deo.html
I thought it was niko, but the original was a s1mple deagle clip on cache: ua-cam.com/video/uovXqrThCaw/v-deo.htmlsi=2EA3h0btij0zOXSm
Counter strafing with W and S is actually unchanged because you could never overlap inputs with those two keys since you're using the same finger for both.
Nulls are very strong only because they remove the human error of overlapping inputs meaning as long as you tap the opposite movement key you will always 100% get a frame perfect counter strafe. If this should be considered cheating is debatable considering Valve probably never intended counter strafing to be reliant on keyboard delay and stuff anyway. What speaks for the last point is the fact that Valve allows this.
Why snap tap is cheating is so easy to understand. It boils down to; the keyboard deactivates a switch for you. Thats it. Nothing to do with skill. Its a hardware script. It lowers the skill ceiling.
maui is insane, with HALLZERK you know what you're getting? one map he will miss 15 easy shots in a row, singlehandedly losing it and then on the next map he'll get 30+ kills including several 1vX clutches. to even bring hallzerk up is insane. also torszi is hardly a better example. he had looong droughts already where he was playing poorly for several events in a row.
The thing with nikos teams they are never winning as a team or even really playing as a team it's always individual's but it's a team game as navi showed
1:09:40 I strong disagree with KINGT here: Why do people fight for those players? Because they are fans of these players.
I would never want Navi to cut b1t. Unless he becomes a tier 2 or even tier 3 player, I want him to stay. That's because I am fan of his, I loved watching him in 2021 up until now. I, as a Navi fan, am fan of the players + Coach not necessarily of the organisation. If the entire Navi lineup would switch to let's say Dignitas, I would become a Dignitas fan.
Would acquiring someone who's 10% better/more consistant than b1t make Navi better? Probably. But I personally would lose interest in the team if it's just some random Danish, Swedish or whatever guy joining. It already hurt to see s1mple, electronic, Perfecto and Boombl4 go.
I would rather take a Navi that's a 6/10 but with players I like than a 10/10 Navi with players I don't care about.
I get it, as an analyst, commentator or journalist you are not a fan of a certain team, thus making you not caring about the indiviual players. But I, as a fan, do care about the players.
Cuantas copas tenés, thorin?
thorinn, i know that EWC wasn't a prestigious event in terms of historic counter strike events, but if all the best teams in the world attend, why can the result not be considered a T1 championship?
I like BO1's from the viewers perspective. I get to see many teams playing each other in 1 day. It probably sucks for the teams though to place their fate on a single map.
I respect Thorin's opinion but Xyp9x consistently put up great numbers every other game rather 1 in 15 tournaments and lets forget. MR12 has inflated stats compared to MR16. Xyp was putting great numbers 2016-2019. (I went through his stats from 2016-19 on HLTV)
I do agree Jimpphat is revolutionizing Support/Anchor position by being super aggressive while being Calculative and he is the 1st Anchor/Support Superstar in CS2 but in all of CS. it has to be Xyp9x 1st then you can put whosoever want to put next.
s1mple=thanos 👍 👍
How about Snax outfragging mONESY on multiple maps?
If you have watched these guys enough they only ever handpick information to prove their points
@@vincentrumbiolo877 now that u mentioned it I will keep an eye for that
@@vincentrumbiolo877yeah that Snax guy sure is such an insane upgrade to Hooxis fragging holy
Bro im too eraly😂
"To fit their own narrative" 1:33:00 say no more. So if G2 were to fail in the group stages you wouldn't be taking shit about Snax and Malbs?
Nicodoz over wonderful with rifle ahahahhahahahahahhah 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
GYAT
funnny hear every single analyst say Navi have fluked 2 tournament wins. Crazy if they fluke a 3rd, right? what a fluke
3rd time's the charm
Reddit's overreaction to EWC results were indeed crazy. From "G2's snax/new roster critisisms COMPLETELY rebuked" to "Navi was always the best team look at them just winning world championships this year". While the tournament itself had some of the worst cs played in it. Literally every top4 team just wasn't ready at all, they all looked like they just got out of bed in the games where they got knocked out in. That should tell you something, if top4 teams can't be arsed to power up for it even just a bit. On the contrary it was just a b1t who powered up for this.
Perfect timing brother Clap
Edit: Real Girl Copium 😂
1:24:07 🤣🤓💀🤌 ngl ong frfr
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forgetting JDM during the NA awp discussion !