Thanks HH, this setup works like a charm. I was hitting for 20M with my budget unkillable, and now with this team I'm doing 30M damage. I can finally 3 key UNM. I made a mess with all my other characters and burned a lot of silver just to get the right speeds and stats, but it was worth the struggle. The guy that came up with this is a genius. Keep up the good work.
OMG, thank you so much, that's awesome! I got my first Maneater 2 weeks ago and am currently building an unkillable team with Painkeeper. Finally I can make good use of Kreela :)
I'm shocked by this statement, I use Kreela everywhere! She's the linchpin of my Arena offence team, great in dungeons to improve damage and same for CB
@@aidanclarke5616 Right, but it always depends on the choice of characters you have. I only use her for faction wars because I don't need ally attack elsewhere :)
You will probably 1key if you replace gravechill with a second frozen Banshee. There'll be more poison sensitivity this way. I tested this myself using Roshcard and it made a massive difference. You obviously need a second FB :)
if anyone's having problems with maneater getting targeted instead of your stun target on NM, and it's not an affinity issue, try this. instead of using kreela's a3 after the stun, use it after the 2nd aoe. this ensures all your champs will have at least a couple buffs on them when the stun shot comes around. seems to help make the target selection a little more consistent
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So I finally got this working on UNM across all affinities, here is some info that might be helpful. First for spirit set your 4:3 champ going 233 to 192. It also really helps if your slowboy is not strong affinity as then maneater/painkeeper can get targetted. I use Bulwark and still get into two key range (35mil plus). Red affinity is fine with banshee and gravechill, but due to the affinity you drop into 3 key territory. Note all my champs are 6 star, maneater and painkeeper are fully booked , Kreela has A2 and A3 fully booked. Hope that helps...
I had to use the following speeds to get this to work and change the turn order slightly to use ally attack on turn 2 and manual until PK A2 on turn 5: Maneater - 255 PK - 216 Aothar - 118 Fayne - 175 Kreela - 178 Thanks so much Hades! Two keying is now so easy!
Nah. I got both and I'm f2p. I also have Roschard and 2 skull crusherss I just got after over a year of playing. Just keep playing man. The champs will come. There are a lot of different unkillable comps too.
Pro tip for this comp. I built everything the same as HH, except for I wasn't able to get my fast DPS to 233 speed. I put the speed I was able to get (222) in the calculator, and it works great, except that on NM if Kreela brings PK into the ally attack it ruins everything. I realized though if I skip Kreela's first Ally attack then there isn't a problem. Thanks for the help HH!
I loved the video, but one thing I understand in this game is that speeds don’t actually signify anything, if longbeard was the only one who worked as everyone got the ally attack and they calculated pain keeper’s speed like that, it would make sense, same way as the 2-1 speed ratio, by using a 254 speed mashalled, you can technically go over 381 speed to go twice even with a bad el who is at 191 speed, it is really wierd to me, but great work by the people who made it. Great video mate
literally love this build been trying to keep up with some of the big hitters in clan boss. Can I make a suggestion in your unkillable list please can you add set up column with a link to screenshots or something similar. Just going through this and trying to work out turn order but you scrolled to quickly just on Kreela and her umn set up kept on trying to pause the video at the right part. Followed your channel for a while but yeah really amazing content just keeps the momentum going with a game makes it so much more interactive with the community. Thanks for your work.
For UNM using fahrakin the fat look up another raid shadow legends youtuber (cold brew gaming) using the skills is slightly different than this set up. Video titles: budget uk (works on spirit too) For NM do everything that hell hades does in the video but use fahrakin's ally attack when keela uses her first ally attack (a2). Just ran a 50 turn 1 key with this. Fahrakin's speed was also 186
There's quite a bit of flexibility with many of these unkillables. For instance, I am running the slow double maneater with Occult Brawler at 188 (6 above the listed speed), Frozen Banshee at 178 (2 outside the listed range), and Martyr. It also works if you swap out Frozen Banshee for Kreela (tested at 174 speed). So this is a slow ME with both counter-attack and ally attack.
I just managed to make this work, I got pain keeper recently, thanks for the video. 35.5 million on an affinity clan boss in UNM, and pain keeper doesn't have warmaster yet, with that and on a void clan boss I can probably reach 40 million.
Every time I open a void shard I hope for a Maneater; I have most of the other recommended team members on 'low budget' unkillable teams but I just can't get a hold of a Maneater.
Hi Hell hades..!! Great just what I've been looking for...top tip..put your FB, Kreela and slowboy in retaliation gear to get more dmg (although to get the spd for FB maybe hard).
Can anyone help? This works on UNM like bread and butter. However, when I put it in NM, PK gets out of sync and messes the whole thing up when Kreela does ally attack. Even when I increased Kreela’s speed by 10. I did put it in the calculator and it showed it “working with the speeds” but it doesn’t account for ally attack. What should I do? Pretty much PK gets in front of the fast DPS and goes down hill from there.
Speaking of clanboss. How does everybody feel about the advanced quest stipulations? If I ran a counter attack comp over unkillable I promise I wouldnt have any rares in the mix. I like how the FW quests can be done with the extra keys you're getting for free, yet the clanboss stipulations can really throw some players off. I'd personally just like to see a CB key reward if you have to do something out of "the norm" be that using a rare or doing a certain amount of damage wherin some players might have to drop a difficulty to accomplish it, then miss their usual chests. -MourningSage
@Hell Hades I think you need to point out in your videos about how many books each champ is and what their cooldowns are down to. I got my champs almost identical to yours and it wouldn't work. But after rewatching the video, i've noticed that you plug in the cooldown and delay slots. Then looking further and seeing that Kreela is booked but maneater isn't booked by the way your numbers look. So people watching the video will make the same mistake i did. It'll really mess up the rotations. Do you have any advice on how you work out your delays?
I agree with this...if this helps..I think you can refer to Deadwood Jedi's 3-1 budget unkillable comp for this. PK needs both A2 and A3 fully booked for cooldown. Maneater only needs his A3 fully booked (that is it). Kreela I'm guessing just her A2. Hope that helps good luck!
@@DerrickMrThomas ME 251, PK 222, LB 185, DPS 232, stun target 124. make sure nobody has turn meter masteries. that will start throwing you out of sync after buffs/debuffs start fading. also, I don't use ally attack until it is on auto.
Weirdly. My Painkeeper is booked and has 4 turns cd on both abilities. In your setup here it shows 5 and 5 with 3 and 1 delay. If I put the same it works. With my booked one I cannot make it work yet everything is identical. Tried all things possible ( delay or no delay on skills etc)
Have you tried running the team at all? Curious why Hades has his listed as 5 and 5 as well. That would be a partially booked PK which by all accounts isn't correct. Even considered it had something to do with his cooldown reduction ability, but that would effect him.
@@danielnutuloiu9786 Found this: www.deadwoodjedi.com/easy-unkillable-guide-by-rust This also references putting 5/5 into the calculator for PK even though he is fully booked (also noted in the set-up guide). Unsure why, but they're smarter than me. Sounds like you're set with PK fully booked. Just work in the calculator with his cooldowns at 5/5.
What's up HH - I followed your guide very closely, used the exact same speeds as your champs. Also used the stun calculator to make sure the stun lands on the slow champ, however after many attempts, the stun keeps landing on my kreela and thus failing the run. Any ideas on what i might be doing wrong? Cheers!
@@lastboyscout73 For the first few turns the CB can also lean towards stunning your LEAD champ instead of another until their healths are different enough for it to stun your slow champ. try putting the slow champ in the lead position. May also be stunning it due to affinity, are you going against Void CB only?
@@dustinbarber8967 this was the void CB on the 2 attempts I tried and I did have the lead as my slowest champ. He mentioned Kreela's shield could cause issues. She kept putting it on the Maneater so maybe that's why? Idk.
I couldn't get mine to work on NM. My comp is ME, PK, FB, Grave, Bulwark. I followed your masteries setup. It shows on the stun calculator that gravechill takes the stun all the way but ME still took a stun on the actual battle. I dunno where i went wrong
I keep consistently failing at getting this team to sync despite running identical speeds. I even tried the exact speeds you list in your tier list. The one thing I just realized however is that the guides all suggest that painkeeper is fully booked on her A2 and A3 but from your speed calc it looks like you haven't booked her fully as some of her skill CDs are still at 5. Is the A3 at 5 CD a requirement that I have missed with all these unkillable teams? Would hate to learn that is where I messed this build up. I will keep trying though!
There's a guide on how to use the calculator, there it's specified that you need to input an extra+1 on Pain Keeper's cooldowns for it to work properly on the calculator.
Did you figure this out? I put it in the calculator, but the calculator doesn’t account for the ally attack 10% turn meter boost. It works in the calculator, but goes out of sync after ally attack. Works in UNM, but increasing my kreela’s speed by 10 in NM doesn’t do the trick. PK gets out of sync.
@@mikespidle3360 Honestly, after a lot of reworking with my gear, it finally just all came together last night. My team right now is: ME, PK, Kreela, Rhazin and Occult. Working on switching out Rhazin for a more poison based champ like Zavia or FB but I dont have the silver to do it atm haha Doing between 25M-30M / run but I know that can be bumped up with better gear intended for damage
My Speeds: ME 251 PK 223 Kreela 173 Rhazin 232 Occult 112 Still working on bumping up Occults speed a bit but the gear didnt work for me to get the right numbers and ensure he takes the slam
@@robshell9375 awesome! I’m glad you figured it out! I was able to get mine too! I realized I didn’t do the delays properly for NM and had to boost up def just a tad bit since NM doesn’t hit as hard.
Are you running Fayne, Aothar, Kreela, Pain Keeper and Maneater? If so do you think its possible to run same comp as Hellhades But swishing Gravechill Killer for Fayne instead and still do 2 key UNM?
Another solid vid HH, much appreciated. Question for you though... in the video you increase Kreela's speed by 12 (10 would be fine), but on your tier list Kreela's speed is listed 10 points higher in UNM than NM. I'm assuming the tier list is backwards as I saw it work in the video...?
Looking into this deeper, neither the Painkeeper or Maneater you are using are fully booked? At least the best I can tell from the spell CD times in the CB Calculator. This makes a huge difference obviously...
@Johnny I'm one of the two co-creators of the comp. The comp would work fine with Martyr in the slow position against any affinity except Force. However, on UNM you'll only get one round of counterattacks instead of two. For the NM tune, you'll get the full two rounds of counterattacks without any issues.
Nice video! Few days ago I pulled my first Maneater and now I'm leveling up both Maneater and painkeeper. I did plan to build a team together with Warcaster, Fayne and Vizier (Warcaster an Fayne also are new). Before I "waste" time and ressources. Do you think the planned team would do better or should I hop on the Kreela train? Thanks in advance! :-)
with my previous team of Belanor lead, Vizier, Aothar, ME, PK i tried this replacing my Belanor for Kreela it works amazing but the damage done is a lot lower i didnt realise how impactful decrease def and weaken actually is! So now i cant wait to get enough epic books for Fayne so i can try her in place of Aothar/Occult Brawler.
Awesome video as always, Hell Hades! One question here :) Would it be possible using Montaun King as the slowboi? I tried it but the boss is arunning my Maneater now :/
Hi Hell hades looking to work on this..but it running the numbers in the speed calculator and it must be noted to run this comp..you need to rebuild your painkeeper..because she is only partly booked (5 turn CD on A2 and A3). This not the same as a budget unkillable comp where she is on a 4 turn cd for both.
Love that you did this video as I just set up the unkillable with ME and PK. I have Kreela but she kept messing up my timing. Is this setup as effective for Force CB as they are all Magic and concern for weak hits.
Interesting I need to try this out, I have all 5 champs, I currently run PK/ME/Aothar/Nethril/Frozen and I normally get in the range of 23-26m vs void. This is awesome with a possible 2 key, need to look into it tomorrow.
Could maybe even use a Bulwark for your stun target to get that chance at extending debuffs. Also, I notice the speeds are higher for this "budget" team than on the old budget team. Those speeds can be tough to get.
This isn't too surprising considering people have been using Retribution on PK in batmaneater comp. There's probably just some wiggle room with where the turn meter can end up without throwing anything off.
For Spirit affinity, take your 4:3 dps'r from 232ish and drop it to 192. Run as normal. I just swapped out speed boots for attack % boots and... bam. All good in the hood
i have the budget unkillable with maneater and painkeeper and i have kreela as well for this comp and i was wondering if i could run ninja as my dps and geomancer as my stun target or if ninjas a1 will cause issues. If its possible do i need to run him slower so that it doesnt mess things up.
Using the same speeds as you with the same HP and def and it falls out of sync (i replaced grave with Aothar) and I checked the stun calculator and it shows ok on Aothar (slow boy) and the speed calculator and it still fails for me. I think budget unkillable are not for me. :(
@@DerrickMrThomas i feel this. My team is also working fine in UNM. Adding +9/10 speed to Kreela.. Falls out of sync after 15 ally turns taken. So after the second aoe it goes: fast dps > pk a1 > ME a1... then falls out of sync and the slow dps takes a turn before the Kreela a1..and goes downhill from there
@@DerrickMrThomas thank you so much brother! So I actually didn’t do the delay in the guide properly. When I wrote it down and did it that way I was able to get it. Just barely a 1 key on NM. 2 key UNM. Thank you so much for offering to help! That means the world!!
Great stuff. Only problem is that maneater does NOT seem to be a budget champ. Never get him. Can he be replaced in this setup with someone? Sir Nick maybe?
This does not appear to work for me either, at least for NM. When I plug all numbers into the calculator for NM, which are identical to his, ME does not attack immediately before AOE 1. I've noticed that in the calculator, he lists PK as having 5 turn cds on both A2 & A3, which when I change in my own numbers everything lines up nicely. However, in his NM run, we can see that he is using a PK that is fully booked with 4 turn cds on both skills. Having the correct cds throws things off. Any clarification would be greatly appreciated!
@@franchutenis I seem to have found a way for it to work on both UNM and NM, although it's a little wonky and not 100%. For UNM, I believe kreela's first ally attack must include PK for it to sync up properly. For NM, do not use kreela's ally attack at all (until you hit the auto button). These strats seem to have worked for me on force affinity.
I wonder how it would work on unm with OB, Venus and Richtoff as dps. Going to try it tonight. Thanks for the info. Would love to get two key on unm so I can two key nm and get more resources each day
I've been using kreela for NM since I got her from the fragment summon... no speed tuning on my team, and it's doing 34mil pretty consistently on auto. I run a Martyr lead, with Kreela, Siphi, Vizier, and Bad-El. I have a feeling they might be accidentally speed tuned though.
Thanks Hades... question for you. If Kreela’s shield on A1 happens to be booked, is there any potential that this could cause issues or throw off the stun target? What should I consider ... any lowering or raising of DEF or HP? Thanks for helping the community.
If you tune this the way it's shown and do NOT have the counterattack mastery on Kreela, the shield will only go out after AOE1 on the slow target and then AOE2 knocks the shield off easily. No worries about the shield
Not that I have found, but I have put retaliation gear on all my dmg dealers & slowboy..they have a 30% to counter att and on affinity bosses this doubles. This gives you extra hits and poison without desyncing your PK. My budget unkillable has hit 33-36mil on NM and 28-30 mil on UNM (double FB and Kael as a slowboy).
Important question, would this also work with fayne and occult brawler, or would this be too much turn meter decrease? Love your vids btw hell hades! Everything i know about the game comes from you
Great video! I was trying to think how to make kreela work with budget ME and u just did it! Awesome... I did 56.6M on UNM on my first attempt today with Fayne and Septimus as lead/slow boy. Much love
@@swellmar Septimus was my stun target, but i changed my team now to "free" septimus for other purposes. Now fayne is my stun target and other dps is vizir
@@pierredutrol3115 Awesome, have all the champs you mentioned. Do you use the same speeds as in this video? Or what build do you use for all the champs?
I've seen somebody make 47m with this Combo. I personally don't have Kreela, so I use ME, PK, Frozen Banshee @ 4:3, Fayne, and a 2nd FB as Slow. My Slow is just 5*, and only the 4:3 FB has optimized Gear. But I am already at around 35m per key.
Wow this is interesting what speeds are you running? I am building two Faynes and have a few other options on slowboy to make sure the stun binds. I hit around 33-36 mil on NM and 28-30 mil on UNM with 2xFB and Kael as the main. Have been looking for more dmg to take me to an easy one key NM and two key UNM. I was wondering if someone used a FB as a slowboy..as I was looking to switch to this exact same comp!
@@kp2024t That was my comp before Fayne.I just reaced 36m with this comp, and my Slow FB is not even 6 Star yet. But I had to optimize the Damage output of FB and Fayne. Both have around 100% Crit Chance, and around 130% Crit Dmg. Also around 3k Atk. My Fayne doesn't have a Crit Dmg Amulett yet. I know I could squeeze more Damage out of the comp by optimizing ME and PKs Gear, and also get Slow FB to 60 + Warmaster. I'm not aiming for any records, just 2-Key UNM. But I can tell you getting to this point took a few days and lots of silver.
@@ronaldcheng7588 Btw, when building your Fayne's you don't Ascend them both. The Fayne without Ascension won't have Decrease Atk, which you don't need in Unkillable Teams, but also is very helpful for Speed Teams in Spider. I unfortunately ascended her, and wished I hadn't.
See. I've tried a kreela mix before, and ended up doing massively less damage than what I usually run on my budget unkillable even though it runs fine. I usually run double FB and OB slow on budget unkillable, it works on 3 affinities like a dream, ballpark of 35m. I've tried kreela and gravechill and rhaz in different roles, but I always end up doing less damage in the end. -MouningSage.
Who else is viable to be tge stun target? Would you say someone like Rhazin is viable? Might go with Occult if not but would like a def down and weaken guy in there. Is Kreela fully booked? Only have her A2 booked becausw of the cooldown
Does this build still work? Got back from a loooong break and now my team with this speed gets randomly demolished after 8 - 20 runs. doing maneater, pk, bulwark, septimus and fahrakin the fat.
at 03:03 you have cycle of violence on your painkeeper which resets skills if you do 30% of the TARGETS HP, that would never happen vs clan boss so what's this mastery for?
I have 2 Maneaters and a bunch of other champs. Have tried all diff setups for unkillable UNM team but still not working. Have speeds set the way you have in video but still not working. Currently sitting at ME 218, ME 215, FB 186, Rhazin 178 and Martyr 174 but cant get past 9 mil damage. Is there any way possible you could do an account takeover on mine to see what Im doing wrong? Thx AP
This guide is also described here www.deadwoodjedi.com/easy-unkillable-guide-by-rust In the guide it's mentioned ally attack / counterattack won't work. So 224 speed on PK means it won't be messed up with ally attack?
can't get this to work on NM with kreela (works fine with catacamb councilor). turn 13 clan boss kills my man eater. wonder why - my stats are pretty much identical (using OB as slow target, who has slightly lower def and higher HP). on a side note, you need at least 184 speed for your ally attack.
I've been running ME, PK, FB, Septimus and Bulwark as the slow boy and have been averaging ~32mil on NM with a high of ~36mil. You think switching out Bulwark and making Kreela the target make a difference?
I*m just curious about why spirit does not throw PK's speed out If its as easy as to just change boots on the DPS then its amazing and my Catacomb Councilor has finally something to do. Also, is Kreela booked? He ally attack is on a 3 turn cooldown if booked and Councilor's is on a 4 turn if booked. Hope it does not matter...
Tried this several times now for the NM run but its not working. Something is off when following the same speeds and the slowboi ends up being taken out as unkillable falls off. I dropped the speed a little but still no luck
@Hellhades Ive got the same dmg on all my champs except frozen banshee in this case - ive got 4m less and thats the reason its not a 2 key. Your FB got 400 more Attack and 50% more krit dmg - is this 4m difference worth ?
Thanks HH, this setup works like a charm. I was hitting for 20M with my budget unkillable, and now with this team I'm doing 30M damage. I can finally 3 key UNM. I made a mess with all my other characters and burned a lot of silver just to get the right speeds and stats, but it was worth the struggle. The guy that came up with this is a genius. Keep up the good work.
OMG, thank you so much, that's awesome! I got my first Maneater 2 weeks ago and am currently building an unkillable team with Painkeeper. Finally I can make good use of Kreela :)
nice!
I'm shocked by this statement, I use Kreela everywhere! She's the linchpin of my Arena offence team, great in dungeons to improve damage and same for CB
@@aidanclarke5616 Right, but it always depends on the choice of characters you have. I only use her for faction wars because I don't need ally attack elsewhere :)
You will probably 1key if you replace gravechill with a second frozen Banshee. There'll be more poison sensitivity this way. I tested this myself using Roshcard and it made a massive difference. You obviously need a second FB :)
if anyone's having problems with maneater getting targeted instead of your stun target on NM, and it's not an affinity issue, try this. instead of using kreela's a3 after the stun, use it after the 2nd aoe. this ensures all your champs will have at least a couple buffs on them when the stun shot comes around. seems to help make the target selection a little more consistent
HH: budget unkillable with ally attack
Me: Yes I got Lanakis
HH: except her
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Just what i needed! My dmg output was low, now i can really do a unkillable run! Thanx HH for sharing the info! :D
So I finally got this working on UNM across all affinities, here is some info that might be helpful. First for spirit set your 4:3 champ going 233 to 192. It also really helps if your slowboy is not strong affinity as then maneater/painkeeper can get targetted. I use Bulwark and still get into two key range (35mil plus). Red affinity is fine with banshee and gravechill, but due to the affinity you drop into 3 key territory. Note all my champs are 6 star, maneater and painkeeper are fully booked , Kreela has A2 and A3 fully booked. Hope that helps...
I had to use the following speeds to get this to work and change the turn order slightly to use ally attack on turn 2 and manual until PK A2 on turn 5:
Maneater - 255
PK - 216
Aothar - 118
Fayne - 175
Kreela - 178
Thanks so much Hades! Two keying is now so easy!
I desperately need a maneater 😭
Same!
I pulled Pain Keeper today, but ya, now I need Maneater lol
I need Maneater too, but martyr can go in for kryla right?
Perfect. I've been waiting for this a long time. Now I'm just missing the maneater.
I’ve got man eater, but can’t seem to pull any of the support he needs. Even the “budget” teams are always beyond my reach lol
Same here. I'm desperately looking for a Painkeeper.
I'm about day 68 and pulled Pain Keeper really early. No Maneater etc tho so I can guarantee champs I want you have and vice versa. Haha
Unfortunately budget means you’re gonna have to spend some money, not whale money but some money for sure
same
@@ExpectedBoy I need maneater too have pain keeper
Step 1... spend a small countries budget to get maneater..
Sadly enough, I got him on my ftp along with other pretty nice epics. Wish I could transfer them
I have a man eater, but no painkeeper
I have like 5 pain keepers.. i would trade you if i could..
@@johnjacobjingle8302 It's the only rare I don't have
Nah. I got both and I'm f2p. I also have Roschard and 2 skull crusherss I just got after over a year of playing. Just keep playing man. The champs will come. There are a lot of different unkillable comps too.
Thanks HH
Would love to see a video with a quick run down of the unkillable teams from your champ tier list. Pros, Cons, etc.
Pro tip for this comp. I built everything the same as HH, except for I wasn't able to get my fast DPS to 233 speed. I put the speed I was able to get (222) in the calculator, and it works great, except that on NM if Kreela brings PK into the ally attack it ruins everything. I realized though if I skip Kreela's first Ally attack then there isn't a problem. Thanks for the help HH!
Thank you, HH! I just started working on this exact comp yesterday. Scary timing.
And the stun calculator is super important too! Messed me up when he attacked the wrong champion a couple of times
What exactly does ally attack do to the comp, can you explain so I can maybe add someone I might have in vault to get it working
wow really clever idea not getting how painkeepers a1 isnt throwing off the rotation kudos to guys who came up with this nice job
I loved the video, but one thing I understand in this game is that speeds don’t actually signify anything, if longbeard was the only one who worked as everyone got the ally attack and they calculated pain keeper’s speed like that, it would make sense, same way as the 2-1 speed ratio, by using a 254 speed mashalled, you can technically go over 381 speed to go twice even with a bad el who is at 191 speed, it is really wierd to me, but great work by the people who made it. Great video mate
how do you get this to work on spirit? my PK keeps geeting speed debuf and falling outa wack....
I got this to work 2 times out of 5 on spirit. Tried increasing speed on ME as boss a1 goes off just before him on spirit, didnt work tho. 🤔
literally love this build been trying to keep up with some of the big hitters in clan boss.
Can I make a suggestion in your unkillable list please can you add set up column with a link to screenshots or something similar. Just going through this and trying to work out turn order but you scrolled to quickly just on Kreela and her umn set up kept on trying to pause the video at the right part.
Followed your channel for a while but yeah really amazing content just keeps the momentum going with a game makes it so much more interactive with the community.
Thanks for your work.
For UNM using fahrakin the fat look up another raid shadow legends youtuber (cold brew gaming) using the skills is slightly different than this set up.
Video titles: budget uk (works on spirit too)
For NM do everything that hell hades does in the video but use fahrakin's ally attack when keela uses her first ally attack (a2). Just ran a 50 turn 1 key with this. Fahrakin's speed was also 186
There's quite a bit of flexibility with many of these unkillables. For instance, I am running the slow double maneater with Occult Brawler at 188 (6 above the listed speed), Frozen Banshee at 178 (2 outside the listed range), and Martyr. It also works if you swap out Frozen Banshee for Kreela (tested at 174 speed). So this is a slow ME with both counter-attack and ally attack.
I just managed to make this work, I got pain keeper recently, thanks for the video. 35.5 million on an affinity clan boss in UNM, and pain keeper doesn't have warmaster yet, with that and on a void clan boss I can probably reach 40 million.
If you struggle with your stun target the easiest fix is to use "selfless defender" mastery on your stun target.
Thanks to smooth and you and dwj. Super helpful, 3 keys unm, working towards 2 key now. Awesome, awesome help
the last unkillable i couldn't get to work, I'll give this one a go
I struggled as well. I just gave up as I used millions regearing hahaha.
Every time I open a void shard I hope for a Maneater; I have most of the other recommended team members on 'low budget' unkillable teams but I just can't get a hold of a Maneater.
Nice timing im just building my first UK team using ME and PK right now.
Same
Hi Hell hades..!! Great just what I've been looking for...top tip..put your FB, Kreela and slowboy in retaliation gear to get more dmg (although to get the spd for FB maybe hard).
Can anyone help?
This works on UNM like bread and butter.
However, when I put it in NM, PK gets out of sync and messes the whole thing up when Kreela does ally attack. Even when I increased Kreela’s speed by 10.
I did put it in the calculator and it showed it “working with the speeds” but it doesn’t account for ally attack.
What should I do?
Pretty much PK gets in front of the fast DPS and goes down hill from there.
Speaking of clanboss. How does everybody feel about the advanced quest stipulations? If I ran a counter attack comp over unkillable I promise I wouldnt have any rares in the mix. I like how the FW quests can be done with the extra keys you're getting for free, yet the clanboss stipulations can really throw some players off. I'd personally just like to see a CB key reward if you have to do something out of "the norm" be that using a rare or doing a certain amount of damage wherin some players might have to drop a difficulty to accomplish it, then miss their usual chests.
-MourningSage
@HellHades maybe you fellas in content creators discord could talk about this at some point?
would this comp work with Fahrakin the Fat, Fayne and Septimus? for Force affinity CB and who would you use as your slow bob?
Hei dude ,
My team
Banshee 123
Wesir 232 / Septi
PK 223
ME 248
FAT 172
Works Fine on UNM. 50kk
So i want the rota for NM 🙈😄
Greetings from Germany
For banshee u can use fayne
HH another incredible community video. Thank you so much as I can't wait to put this team on the field (or pitch)!
@Hell Hades I think you need to point out in your videos about how many books each champ is and what their cooldowns are down to. I got my champs almost identical to yours and it wouldn't work. But after rewatching the video, i've noticed that you plug in the cooldown and delay slots. Then looking further and seeing that Kreela is booked but maneater isn't booked by the way your numbers look. So people watching the video will make the same mistake i did. It'll really mess up the rotations. Do you have any advice on how you work out your delays?
I agree with this...if this helps..I think you can refer to Deadwood Jedi's 3-1 budget unkillable comp for this. PK needs both A2 and A3 fully booked for cooldown. Maneater only needs his A3 fully booked (that is it). Kreela I'm guessing just her A2. Hope that helps good luck!
@@ronaldcheng7588 found out that you need kreela a3 booked and can get a2 to 100% chance or some say can fully book it.
Got mine working today with Longbeard. Silver all gone from re- gearing, but now doing 20mil instead of 9 mil per key on NM. Thanks HH!
@@DerrickMrThomas ME 251, PK 222, LB 185, DPS 232, stun target 124. make sure nobody has turn meter masteries. that will start throwing you out of sync after buffs/debuffs start fading. also, I don't use ally attack until it is on auto.
i burned 2 keys before I realized that the doompriest i threw in because she was already at the right speed.... had rapid response mastery.
Weirdly. My Painkeeper is booked and has 4 turns cd on both abilities. In your setup here it shows 5 and 5 with 3 and 1 delay. If I put the same it works. With my booked one I cannot make it work yet everything is identical. Tried all things possible ( delay or no delay on skills etc)
Have you tried running the team at all? Curious why Hades has his listed as 5 and 5 as well. That would be a partially booked PK which by all accounts isn't correct. Even considered it had something to do with his cooldown reduction ability, but that would effect him.
@@NickOfTimeStudios i havent tried it but the calculator shows clearly that it doesnt work so I don't know
@@danielnutuloiu9786 Found this: www.deadwoodjedi.com/easy-unkillable-guide-by-rust This also references putting 5/5 into the calculator for PK even though he is fully booked (also noted in the set-up guide). Unsure why, but they're smarter than me. Sounds like you're set with PK fully booked. Just work in the calculator with his cooldowns at 5/5.
What's up HH - I followed your guide very closely, used the exact same speeds as your champs. Also used the stun calculator to make sure the stun lands on the slow champ, however after many attempts, the stun keeps landing on my kreela and thus failing the run. Any ideas on what i might be doing wrong? Cheers!
I did the same thing, correct speeds, checked the stun calculator but it keeps hitting my Maneater and messing up the run.
@@lastboyscout73 For the first few turns the CB can also lean towards stunning your LEAD champ instead of another until their healths are different enough for it to stun your slow champ. try putting the slow champ in the lead position. May also be stunning it due to affinity, are you going against Void CB only?
@@dustinbarber8967 this was the void CB on the 2 attempts I tried and I did have the lead as my slowest champ. He mentioned Kreela's shield could cause issues. She kept putting it on the Maneater so maybe that's why? Idk.
I couldn't get mine to work on NM. My comp is ME, PK, FB, Grave, Bulwark. I followed your masteries setup.
It shows on the stun calculator that gravechill takes the stun all the way but ME still took a stun on the actual battle. I dunno where i went wrong
I keep consistently failing at getting this team to sync despite running identical speeds. I even tried the exact speeds you list in your tier list. The one thing I just realized however is that the guides all suggest that painkeeper is fully booked on her A2 and A3 but from your speed calc it looks like you haven't booked her fully as some of her skill CDs are still at 5. Is the A3 at 5 CD a requirement that I have missed with all these unkillable teams? Would hate to learn that is where I messed this build up. I will keep trying though!
There's a guide on how to use the calculator, there it's specified that you need to input an extra+1 on Pain Keeper's cooldowns for it to work properly on the calculator.
Did you figure this out?
I put it in the calculator, but the calculator doesn’t account for the ally attack 10% turn meter boost. It works in the calculator, but goes out of sync after ally attack.
Works in UNM, but increasing my kreela’s speed by 10 in NM doesn’t do the trick.
PK gets out of sync.
@@mikespidle3360 Honestly, after a lot of reworking with my gear, it finally just all came together last night. My team right now is: ME, PK, Kreela, Rhazin and Occult. Working on switching out Rhazin for a more poison based champ like Zavia or FB but I dont have the silver to do it atm haha Doing between 25M-30M / run but I know that can be bumped up with better gear intended for damage
My Speeds:
ME 251
PK 223
Kreela 173
Rhazin 232
Occult 112
Still working on bumping up Occults speed a bit but the gear didnt work for me to get the right numbers and ensure he takes the slam
@@robshell9375 awesome! I’m glad you figured it out! I was able to get mine too! I realized I didn’t do the delays properly for NM and had to boost up def just a tad bit since NM doesn’t hit as hard.
amazing comp. doing 44m on UNM - fayne,aothar wirh right gear. great job
Are you running Fayne, Aothar, Kreela, Pain Keeper and Maneater? If so do you think its possible to run same comp as Hellhades But swishing Gravechill Killer for Fayne instead and still do 2 key UNM?
This is wonderful; thank you! Always love your videos. I was thinking bulwark or viz instead of gravechill. What would you recommend?
Another solid vid HH, much appreciated. Question for you though... in the video you increase Kreela's speed by 12 (10 would be fine), but on your tier list Kreela's speed is listed 10 points higher in UNM than NM. I'm assuming the tier list is backwards as I saw it work in the video...?
Looking into this deeper, neither the Painkeeper or Maneater you are using are fully booked? At least the best I can tell from the spell CD times in the CB Calculator. This makes a huge difference obviously...
Looks great as always.. now if I could just get a maneater.
Awesome! Thx for sharing! Any chance Occult for Grave and Draco for Frozen will also work?
perffectly!
@@HellHadesWoR Thx again; finally I can enter the UK Business 😀
@@HellHadesWoR Does kreela's a2 need to be booked out?
I need you to try this with Martyr in place of Kreela. For... science :)
I think that is too many A1s on painkeeper and she goes out of sync
@@Shad0wBill that's exactly what would happen
@Johnny I'm one of the two co-creators of the comp. The comp would work fine with Martyr in the slow position against any affinity except Force. However, on UNM you'll only get one round of counterattacks instead of two. For the NM tune, you'll get the full two rounds of counterattacks without any issues.
@@wystixx you’re amazing. Thank you
@@wystixx Thanks for the reply. Did you try running her in kreelas place in rotation, rather than stun soak location?
Nice video! Few days ago I pulled my first Maneater and now I'm leveling up both Maneater and painkeeper. I did plan to build a team together with Warcaster, Fayne and Vizier (Warcaster an Fayne also are new). Before I "waste" time and ressources. Do you think the planned team would do better or should I hop on the Kreela train? Thanks in advance! :-)
with my previous team of Belanor lead, Vizier, Aothar, ME, PK i tried this replacing my Belanor for Kreela it works amazing but the damage done is a lot lower i didnt realise how impactful decrease def and weaken actually is! So now i cant wait to get enough epic books for Fayne so i can try her in place of Aothar/Occult Brawler.
I just need to get a Maneater and I'm all set to try this. Cool video thanks for sharing!
Awesome video as always, Hell Hades!
One question here :)
Would it be possible using Montaun King as the slowboi? I tried it but the boss is arunning my Maneater now :/
Hi Hell hades looking to work on this..but it running the numbers in the speed calculator and it must be noted to run this comp..you need to rebuild your painkeeper..because she is only partly booked (5 turn CD on A2 and A3). This not the same as a budget unkillable comp where she is on a 4 turn cd for both.
Love that you did this video as I just set up the unkillable with ME and PK. I have Kreela but she kept messing up my timing. Is this setup as effective for Force CB as they are all Magic and concern for weak hits.
I have everything regarding the champions,,biggest concern in the get those Sts on champs I don't have any option to get do that speed
Interesting I need to try this out, I have all 5 champs, I currently run PK/ME/Aothar/Nethril/Frozen and I normally get in the range of 23-26m vs void. This is awesome with a possible 2 key, need to look into it tomorrow.
Could maybe even use a Bulwark for your stun target to get that chance at extending debuffs. Also, I notice the speeds are higher for this "budget" team than on the old budget team. Those speeds can be tough to get.
This isn't too surprising considering people have been using Retribution on PK in batmaneater comp. There's probably just some wiggle room with where the turn meter can end up without throwing anything off.
what about green cb with decrease speed?
and which cd we need for ally-attack?
this MAY ruin comp if pk makes a1 too often
For Spirit affinity, take your 4:3 dps'r from 232ish and drop it to 192. Run as normal. I just swapped out speed boots for attack % boots and... bam. All good in the hood
i have the budget unkillable with maneater and painkeeper and i have kreela as well for this comp and i was wondering if i could run ninja as my dps and geomancer as my stun target or if ninjas a1 will cause issues. If its possible do i need to run him slower so that it doesnt mess things up.
Using the same speeds as you with the same HP and def and it falls out of sync (i replaced grave with Aothar) and I checked the stun calculator and it shows ok on Aothar (slow boy) and the speed calculator and it still fails for me. I think budget unkillable are not for me. :(
@@DerrickMrThomas i feel this. My team is also working fine in UNM.
Adding +9/10 speed to Kreela..
Falls out of sync after 15 ally turns taken.
So after the second aoe it goes: fast dps > pk a1 > ME a1... then falls out of sync and the slow dps takes a turn before the Kreela a1..and goes downhill from there
@@DerrickMrThomas thank you so much brother! So I actually didn’t do the delay in the guide properly. When I wrote it down and did it that way I was able to get it. Just barely a 1 key on NM.
2 key UNM.
Thank you so much for offering to help! That means the world!!
Great stuff. Only problem is that maneater does NOT seem to be a budget champ. Never get him. Can he be replaced in this setup with someone? Sir Nick maybe?
Great Vid again!
Would it work with Catacomb Council too?
does this work with non void affinnity? seems like i have everything right but it aint working for me
This does not appear to work for me either, at least for NM. When I plug all numbers into the calculator for NM, which are identical to his, ME does not attack immediately before AOE 1. I've noticed that in the calculator, he lists PK as having 5 turn cds on both A2 & A3, which when I change in my own numbers everything lines up nicely. However, in his NM run, we can see that he is using a PK that is fully booked with 4 turn cds on both skills. Having the correct cds throws things off. Any clarification would be greatly appreciated!
@@adamsolis1277 yeah tried it also on void, but it didnt work for me
@@franchutenis I seem to have found a way for it to work on both UNM and NM, although it's a little wonky and not 100%. For UNM, I believe kreela's first ally attack must include PK for it to sync up properly. For NM, do not use kreela's ally attack at all (until you hit the auto button). These strats seem to have worked for me on force affinity.
@@adamsolis1277 i will try that thanks
@@adamsolis1277 worked for me on blue tyvm, managed to 1key nightmare
for some reason the clan boss starts to stun my ME at turn 9. my slow boy has least hp(almost none) and ME has like 50%. why is that?
Are there update for Pain Keeper? Because everywhere else I've seen they are kitting her in 3 speed sets or two speed with a perception
I wonder how it would work on unm with OB, Venus and Richtoff as dps. Going to try it tonight. Thanks for the info. Would love to get two key on unm so I can two key nm and get more resources each day
Great video I have all those champ I am working to level and gear... thank for info... and the links to the deadwood sight
Brilliant as always!!
I've been using kreela for NM since I got her from the fragment summon... no speed tuning on my team, and it's doing 34mil pretty consistently on auto. I run a Martyr lead, with Kreela, Siphi, Vizier, and Bad-El. I have a feeling they might be accidentally speed tuned though.
Just took a few hours and got this team set up except with Longbeard, and wow I'm impressed.
Thanks Hades... question for you. If Kreela’s shield on A1 happens to be booked, is there any potential that this could cause issues or throw off the stun target? What should I consider ... any lowering or raising of DEF or HP?
Thanks for helping the community.
If you tune this the way it's shown and do NOT have the counterattack mastery on Kreela, the shield will only go out after AOE1 on the slow target and then AOE2 knocks the shield off easily. No worries about the shield
is it possible to add a counter attack champ on that comp...
i imagine it will further increase the damage...
Not that I have found, but I have put retaliation gear on all my dmg dealers & slowboy..they have a 30% to counter att and on affinity bosses this doubles. This gives you extra hits and poison without desyncing your PK. My budget unkillable has hit 33-36mil on NM and 28-30 mil on UNM (double FB and Kael as a slowboy).
Important question, would this also work with fayne and occult brawler, or would this be too much turn meter decrease? Love your vids btw hell hades! Everything i know about the game comes from you
CB is immune to TM manipulation.
@@a5cent huh, are u sure? because hellhades himself always says to not get the TM manipulation masters.
masteries*
@@floydandriessen3995 Those masteries HH mentions boost your own TM. Those you really don't want.
No masteries or abilities can affect the CB's TM.
Oh great, so even if it says steals turn meter like fayne; if it cant steal it cant gain it either i guess
Great video! I was trying to think how to make kreela work with budget ME and u just did it! Awesome... I did 56.6M on UNM on my first attempt today with Fayne and Septimus as lead/slow boy. Much love
What setup? Fayne, Septimus, Kreela, Painkeeper and Maneater? And WHO do you use as stun target ? :)
@@swellmar Septimus was my stun target, but i changed my team now to "free" septimus for other purposes. Now fayne is my stun target and other dps is vizir
@@pierredutrol3115 Ok, So What 5 Champions did you run back then doing 56.6M on UNM in this budget maneater comp? And What 5 do you run today?
@@swellmar Before : ME/Kreela/PK/fayne/septimus(stun), 54-58M/key | Now : ME/Kreela/PK/vizir/fayne(stun). Doing 58-62M/key now..
@@pierredutrol3115 Awesome, have all the champs you mentioned. Do you use the same speeds as in this video? Or what build do you use for all the champs?
Can this be done with occult brawler instead of frozen banshee? and what about a counter attacker in the team?
Yes. And with Counter attack? Probably...
Why does kreela need any accuracy when fully booked?
I've seen somebody make 47m with this Combo. I personally don't have Kreela, so I use ME, PK, Frozen Banshee @ 4:3, Fayne, and a 2nd FB as Slow. My Slow is just 5*, and only the 4:3 FB has optimized Gear. But I am already at around 35m per key.
Wow this is interesting what speeds are you running? I am building two Faynes and have a few other options on slowboy to make sure the stun binds. I hit around 33-36 mil on NM and 28-30 mil on UNM with 2xFB and Kael as the main. Have been looking for more dmg to take me to an easy one key NM and two key UNM. I was wondering if someone used a FB as a slowboy..as I was looking to switch to this exact same comp!
Do they all have high crit atk and dmg? I'm running a similar comp with Bulwark instead of Fayne and can do max 24m/key only
@@ronaldcheng7588 I found the Speeds on the Deadwoodjedi Discord, but they were posted by other players:
Maneater 246-252
Pain Keeper 224-228
Fast DPS 229-237
DPS (171-172 on Brutal and UNM, 179-187 on NM)
Slowboi (123 on Brutal and UNM, 125-126 on NM)
UNM Setup:
PK: A2 1 turn delay, A3 3 turn delay
NM Setup (Gear swap for DPS to increase speed):
Maneater: A3 - 1 turn delay
PK: A2 - 3 turn delay, A4 - 4 turn delay
Brutal Setup:
ME: A3 - 2 turn delay
PK: A2 - 3 turn delay, A3 - 1 turn delay
@@kp2024t That was my comp before Fayne.I just reaced 36m with this comp, and my Slow FB is not even 6 Star yet. But I had to optimize the Damage output of FB and Fayne. Both have around 100% Crit Chance, and around 130% Crit Dmg. Also around 3k Atk. My Fayne doesn't have a Crit Dmg Amulett yet. I know I could squeeze more Damage out of the comp by optimizing ME and PKs Gear, and also get Slow FB to 60 + Warmaster. I'm not aiming for any records, just 2-Key UNM.
But I can tell you getting to this point took a few days and lots of silver.
@@ronaldcheng7588 Btw, when building your Fayne's you don't Ascend them both. The Fayne without Ascension won't have Decrease Atk, which you don't need in Unkillable Teams, but also is very helpful for Speed Teams in Spider. I unfortunately ascended her, and wished I hadn't.
See. I've tried a kreela mix before, and ended up doing massively less damage than what I usually run on my budget unkillable even though it runs fine. I usually run double FB and OB slow on budget unkillable, it works on 3 affinities like a dream, ballpark of 35m. I've tried kreela and gravechill and rhaz in different roles, but I always end up doing less damage in the end.
-MouningSage.
Would you be fahrakin instead of kreala?
Why are Painkeepers moves on 5 turn cool downs?
is there any marge to play with speeds? on HH video dps speed is 234 but some say for spirit affinity i need to go from 233 to 192??
Who else is viable to be tge stun target? Would you say someone like Rhazin is viable? Might go with Occult if not but would like a def down and weaken guy in there.
Is Kreela fully booked?
Only have her A2 booked becausw of the cooldown
Does this build still work? Got back from a loooong break and now my team with this speed gets randomly demolished after 8 - 20 runs. doing maneater, pk, bulwark, septimus and fahrakin the fat.
That's very impressive. I have all the champs you have and only need to level them up, gear them well, and put masteries on them.
at 03:03 you have cycle of violence on your painkeeper which resets skills if you do 30% of the TARGETS HP, that would never happen vs clan boss so what's this mastery for?
I have 2 Maneaters and a bunch of other champs. Have tried all diff setups for unkillable UNM team but still not working. Have speeds set the way you have in video but still not working. Currently sitting at ME 218, ME 215, FB 186, Rhazin 178 and Martyr 174 but cant get past 9 mil damage. Is there any way possible you could do an account takeover on mine to see what Im doing wrong? Thx AP
Спасибо, чувак. Очень долго искал такую команду.
This guide is also described here
www.deadwoodjedi.com/easy-unkillable-guide-by-rust
In the guide it's mentioned ally attack / counterattack won't work.
So 224 speed on PK means it won't be messed up with ally attack?
can't get this to work on NM with kreela (works fine with catacamb councilor). turn 13 clan boss kills my man eater. wonder why - my stats are pretty much identical (using OB as slow target, who has slightly lower def and higher HP). on a side note, you need at least 184 speed for your ally attack.
I've been running ME, PK, FB, Septimus and Bulwark as the slow boy and have been averaging ~32mil on NM with a high of ~36mil. You think switching out Bulwark and making Kreela the target make a difference?
I*m just curious about why spirit does not throw PK's speed out If its as easy as to just change boots on the DPS then its amazing and my Catacomb Councilor has finally something to do. Also, is Kreela booked? He ally attack is on a 3 turn cooldown if booked and Councilor's is on a 4 turn if booked. Hope it does not matter...
dumb question do any of the champions need books?
Tried this several times now for the NM run but its not working. Something is off when following the same speeds and the slowboi ends up being taken out as unkillable falls off. I dropped the speed a little but still no luck
Same here, it works great in UNM, but in NM it gets out of sync.
Having the same problem here. Did you find a solution?
@@adamsolis1277 Never found a solution. Just surrendered and kept a 2 key NM using a different comp and 2 key UNM using the kreela unkillable comp
Does Kreela need to be fully booked? Thanks.
Can prince Kumar be used instead of pain keeper ?
@Hellhades Ive got the same dmg on all my champs except frozen banshee in this case - ive got 4m less and thats the reason its not a 2 key.
Your FB got 400 more Attack and 50% more krit dmg - is this 4m difference worth ?
Hey HH just missing pain keeper was just wondering does Kreela need to be fully booked. Thanks M8 keep up the good work!
Is the Painkeeper not fully booked?
how it works
against spirit affinity, its same like a without ally attack just wait with heal to second stun ?
The elusive Maneater ... got Siphi, Draco, Valk, Duchess, Shazar, Ma'Shallad, but I canna pull that ogre to save my life !
Does krelaa need to be fully book !?
I just can't seem to get this down.. I've got Maneater, the tower and Yumeko but I can't get past round 20.. Someones buff always runs out.
Instead of gravechill would it work to use Venus and have fb be my stun target