Your most profound observation is no one should drive more than 3 hrs without a break. I welcome road trip breaks for snacks, stretching, bathroom, and charging is simultaneous. While owning a 500 mi Lucid, I still took a break after 2-3 hrs. And I will do the same in a 1000 mi Aptera when it arrives.
Thanks for your videos bro, I really appreciate them. I have an LFP that I got in January and I love it. Got about 9k miles on it already! Ive taken alot of your tips when going on the road- arrive at low soc and charge up long enough to get to the next. Keep the videos coming
100% agree with the do not be brand loyal. I am not sure why people feel loyalty towards corporations. The consumer should always be looking for the best product, regardless of the corporation making it. I also bought a Model 3 RWD, but mine was in June and between price drops and bonus savings for taking new from already built inventory, I got mine for $38,747. It would have been a grand cheaper to have done white at the time since it was the default color, but I like the blue, so I went with it. I think between the county, state, and federal rebates/tax credits I will get $8,000. I am not wealthy, so the $7500 tax credit means less to me, since I will likely get $4500. One unexpected bonus of the Tesla was when my AC broke at my home. I could slip into my garage and take a break from a 90 degrees interior temp in my home and let the Tesla cool my off while i watch videos and played video games. Not something I could have done with my 2012 Camry SE that it replaced. As far as range, on a really hot day, my range dropped to 210. That included 80MPH driving and using the interior protection cooling when I was away from the car. Tempertures were around 108. Just the other day I drove up into the California Gold Country and range ended up being about 253 miles. That did not seem bad since there was a bunch of elevation changes, but it was slower driving. There have been a few articles/surveys of EVs and Tesla software keeps coming out on top. I find the phone app and vehicle software to be excellent. I do not miss the physical buttons for most of the controls. The speed being displayed in the upper right of the center screen is fine as well. I wish my Camry had hung in there for another year, because I would likely be buying the Highland update of the Model 3. With that said, very happy with my Model 3 so far. I do agree a hatchback like the Model S would have been my one wish for the vehicle. I did drive a Model Y for a few days and I while I value the hatch and more space, I really think the Model 3 is a nicer ride. If Tesla gets around to a Tesla van, which I believe is among the 10 types of EVs Tesla has planned by 2030, I would seriously consider getting one. I think that might be the ultimate road trip vehicle. I do think Tesla build quality has improved a ton and it seems like Fremont is the most challenged of the factories. The praise of build quality from China nd Germany is amazing. Fremont is a modified Pontiac/NUMMI factory. I have a feeling clean sheets factory designs is helpful. Not to mention things learned in Fremont were probably used to make China and then Germany better. I believe Texas Model Y quality has been solid as well. I appreciate have the Fremont factory and it will always be a major historical footnote in the Tesla story, but I am not sure if they ever get the quality to the levels of the other factories. Since I live near the factory, I feel good I supported local labor as well as buying one of the most American vehicles you can buy in terms of parts and labor. Hope to see a 50,000 miles review someday from you.
Congrats on one year! It's good that you guys haven't dealt with many build quality issues. My parents have a 2020 Tesla model 3 SR+ and although there aren't any creaks, they panel on the inside of the B pillar came undone and Tesla service had to glue it back into place😅. Hopefully Tesla will continue to improve build quality.
I feel like every manufacturer has issues and it's all hit or miss. My wife got a Cadillac Lyriq a few months ago and within the first week, the one pedal driving broke. Thankfully, they gave her a loaner Lyriq...WHOSE ONE PEDAL DRIVING ALSO BROKE!!! I feel like for the cheapest car ownership experience, get yourself a used Tesla Model 3, maybe 3 years old. Someone else took the depreciation hit, you're still going to get at least 8 good years out of it, then you can sell it a repeat. I used to say get something like a gas Honda Civic, but you really have to make sure to get rid of gas cars after 100K miles, because after that, they're just money pits.
@@TailosiveEV With the new model 3, it looks like it will improve. In the case of my parent's Tesla, there haven't been any other build quality complaints apart from the B pillar. Still a great car! 😉
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Great review! I’ve had my M3 RWD 9 and a half months. Same as you… white. And love it. Agree with so much of your review!! The range is great…. And stopping to charge gives you time to safely read and answer emails and texts, eat, take a break or take a nap! The 170 charge speed is fine! Like you, I don’t feel in any way that the charge stops make long road trips feel longer. They just don’t! I’m at 3% degradation and range to usually 265. I had service for rattle and tire sensor plus a flat they fixed right away. I’ve had great experiences with Burbank CA and especially Upland service. For some reason my artwork disappeared and never returned for all music sources and they couldn’t fix it remotely except saying a full reset which I won’t do. It’s just an amazing car. Yes I’d love a better sound system but this is still very good. And the only thing I disagree with is that I think there will still be most cars coming with a range if 300 or 400 as a norm. Not because it’s so needed but because people are obsessed with range and for them to buy they’ll want range even though they don’t need it. Besides once a week and before long road trips. I only keep charged to 50% because i just don’t drive close to 100 miles a day. Some days not at all. Again thanks Drew.
Age absolutely impacts rates w most insurance carriers. I’ve worked at multiple, and each year it changes slightly and then larger decreases until mid 30s, and more if married… then when over 50 it starts to go up slightly. Can be different for different carriers tho. Glad you’re enjoying the M3, and tires are wearing well.
There’s absolutely no timing any market. You guys got a sick ride, and with the storage the m3 can work for even a family. We have 2 car seats in our m3 hertz rental, and had the wife leave her beloved ID4 awd at home. I was surprised she didn’t come home complaining but instead was telling me how much more she liked it!? Was not expecting that
Noice Drew. Congrats on 1 year. I'm finally going to be picking up mine next month. Grey/White MYLR so ready. Also go to discount tire for replacements if you available in your area. their warranty is amazing and totally worth it.
We’re at 93k km on our 2022 up here in Canada. No issues with cold weather or snow (good winter tires). Averaging 163kwh/km since new. On full charge the GOM used to show 438km it now shows 421km and has been doing so for a long time. We ate through our first set of both stock and winter tires (lead foot). Replaced the summer set with Michelin PS4 ev from Costco. 40% less $ than OEM Michelin tire and made the ride over small bumps much smoother. Bought a second set of Pirellis (OEM) for the winter, they perform very well. Looking to buy a second Tesla to replace our ICE vehicle. Was planning to buy a RWD Y but now that the new 3 is out, I’m torn.
I had a BMW 5 series. I had to replace the radiator,fuel pump, water pump, battery, brakes and rotors. Plus $100 oil changes. My car had different size wheels on the front and back which was $500 for 4 no name tires. Fortunately we were able to do some of the work but it was still expensive. I bought the car with 50k miles on it. I spent almost as much on repairs as I did purchasing the vehicle. Car was great to drive but never again.
For the wind noise in the winter, lubricate the rubber seals with silicone in the fall. It’ll prevent window sticking in the cold weather and keep the rubber soft over time.
Love the honest review! I picked up a model 3 end of last year and feel the same way, definitely not a luxury car but its a nice daily. People are way too concerned about charging but superchargers are great, and like you said no issue stopping every 2-3 hours on a road trip
At 10 cents per kilowatt hour it is DEFINITELY worth it. I’m two years into my ownership and my expenses are nil compared to my previous Subarus. It’s not even close. I’m in PA. Not sure I’ll ever go back to an ICE car.
I also bought the model 3 rear drive and love it. I couldn't believe your price per kilowatt I'm in MD and I pay .16 and gas here is a little over $4 for premium gas $3 for regular. We just bought ours last week and the Tesla insurance is $96 so I'm hoping it drops but still quite a bit cheaper than progressive. Thanks for all the info 👍
I put 23,500 since March 2023 when I bought the vehicle I have a model 3 SR. I had wind, noise and water intrusion when in car wash. Took it back to Tesla. They put new seals on adjusted front side windows and replace the trunk latch. All good now.
I went into LA today and saw gas stations over $7 a gallon. I'm so glad I have an electric car. I have a Hyundai Sonata as well, looks about the same age as yours (2008?) I had an issue where the car just wouldn't start, not even click and the panel under the steering wheel there is a fuse box that has as a relay in it that had some corrosion on it, I took some sand paper and lightly sanded it off and it worked great after.
Congrats for getting rid of your tailpipe! I'm glad to hear that Louise is open to other EVs, for there are many out there that are true competitors -and in some ways better, especially since practically ALL of them are adopting NACS. I agree that hand grips over all four doors are a necessity. And I also prefer hatchbacks over trunks.
Regarding battery degradation--a point of comparison for you: My LFP Model 3, which I took delivery of on December 6, has 96.35% of its original capacity, with 17,000 km on the odometer. That's with primarily Supercharging, though as of late I've switched to Level 2 charging on the Chargepoint J1772s across the road from me
Own a 2021 model 3 sr+ 45,000 miles. bought for $39,000 @ 2.49 interest rate. Washington state pay $.08 per kwh of electricity vs $5 per gallon of gas. So about $35 per month to charge driving an average of 16000 miles per year. Insurance is $75 per month. registration is $275 per year to make up for gas tax. overall I have saved over $7000k in fuel compared to 30 MPG vehicle or $9000k in fuel compared to 24 MPG. Only maintenance replaced tires at 35,000 miles for $1300 because I have a led foot. Free tire rotations though. Overall great investment and cheaper to drive than any midsize ICE vehicle.
Agree with you so much and your detailed videos are one of the reason I got a M3 in March but I’m going to disagree with you on something. I’m not sure it shows your points as effective when you compare your cost of ownership with you old 2007 sonata with this M3. When looking at cost of ownership it’s always cheaper to drive a 2007 Sonata compared to a 2023 Sonata. Most of the costs above are affected by the cost of the new car. It’s your situation but doesn’t provide much context when talking about comparing cost of ICE vs EV. Btw, still a good overall video like the rest I mostly watch, keep it up!
I have zero problem paying the road tax, I feel it should be based on mile driven rather than a flat annual fee. Solar can also help your fuel cost, especially in high cost locations, my KW cost is around 13 cents and I'm thinking about solar.
Charging EV drivers tax because they don't pay for gas is robbery. Supercharging cost as much as gas. EV drivers are being taxed twice, unless you never supercharge.
Great video. One thing I'll point out with your comparisons is that you can't compare a Tesla to a used Hyundai Sonata and use that as a reflection of the cost of ICE vs EV! A Tesla Model 3 RW compares much better to a BMW 328i or something like that. And yeah, it sucks that many states are adopting the "EV tax" when you go to register you car, but I obviously understand why they do it. My state still isn't doing it yet, but I know it's only a matter of time. We're working on getting solar panels and geothermal at the same time and I just love the fact that we can have our "gas" and home heating and cooling paid for (for the most part) by solar. Where I live, electricity has gone up from $0.14 per kWh to $0.22 just in three years and I like, as much as possible, to be able to be self-sufficient and not have my budget affected by whether or not a dictator wakes up and decides he wants to invade another country with a special military operation!
Insurance normally is rated on a 6 month basis. When you get a quote or whatever the case may be, you're getting a 6 month rate that's split into payments either 4-5 months etc. Comparing insurance on monthly payment basis is completely useless as every company offers different payment plans and some charge a "processing fee" for having a monthly payment as opposed to paying 6 month premiums from the get go. You need to look at your insurance declaration page to see what your 6 month cost is. Reason your monthly would drop is because your insurance renewed and you were rerated at 6 months. Either the insurance price is lower, you got some continued loyalty discount or simply could be the way your payments were split up initially vs at renewal, heck your 6 month premium might be higher but if you got an extra month of payments, monthly would be lower. So comparing monthly payments is useless and so many people make this mistake. You can have insurance that's $1000 for 6 months but split into 6 payments at $166.66 per month or you could have insurance that's $800 split into 4 payments at $200.00 per month, clearly the 2nd one is cheaper even though it's $200/month.
Perhaps it’s because I am in California, but I save over $2,500 a year alone not buying gas. Determining this saving by comparing our energy costs to charge our Tesla and then using the miles driven (25,200 miles) and dividing the miles driven by the 25 miles per gallon we get with our ICE car and then multiplying that with the average gas price over the past year. Over the past 5 years (2018-2023) we have saved over $12,800 over these 5 years, not including any maintenance savings given all the ICE maintenance costs.
I just did a cost analysis YOY after getting solar and the Tesla. After all said and done, I saved $2K in the first year. Registration going up due to a newer car is insane. A car is a car. That’s wild. PA is a flat rate. The EV charge is coming. And rightfully so. It’s almost like tax evasion right now lol
For overall savings you need to invest in a good solar system with battery storage. The solar will reduce your electric bill and charge your car to replace buying gas. We see a minimum of $250/mo but we are retired and charge the car afternoons after the powerwall in full.
I found that Tesla's assumed "gas savings" were baloney. I would have to upgrade my electric service in my home from 100 amps to 200 amps ($3500-5000). My insurance would increase by about $500/year. I also notice that pretty much every Tesla pumper and shill on UA-cam put PPF on their cars while saying that the Tesla paint is "fine" with out it. Price is $2500 for a front wrap up to $6000 for a full car wrap. These are the "other " costs that Tesla sales won't mention. Plus all the accessories that are needed (floor mats, charger connector kit, lift pucks, etc) so the upfront costs of a Tesla are way beyond the sticker price even throwing in the federal, state, and any local rebates.
Speaking facts here about the savings…i just got my model y in my state paying personal property, then registration, and insurance the saving are minimal. But overall fun car to have
I live in FL and the cost of owning a electric car is far less expensive than many other places. All of my cars have been paid for over a year. So my TCO assessment is a valid case for less TCO in my case.
I think you can get a new one for the same price as a used since the new ones have the $7,500 tax credit (and the income limit is much higher than the used car tax credit).
Research showed that the battery degregation should even out at 10% for lfp. So expect long term, with 100k+ miles later, the rest of the life of the car should be in the 240+ miles at 100%. Which is respectable considering most EVs come with that amount new and should only be charged to 80%. I have the same config as yours except midnight silver. 12k miles later my max miles shows 265.
I really like this episode since the opinions are well resonated with me owning both the 3 rwd and lr y now. There are definitely not much cost saving considering the higher insurance and registration cost in CA.
Crazy that the price you paid for that LFP Model 3 is more than a brand new model 3. . . That sucks man. Glad you love the car and hopefully it continues to drive well!
Great video! Is that a Rule of Threads t-shirt? 1. I pay 250$ per month to insure my M3 here in Tampa lol. 2. I don't think it's fair to include state registration fees into the 1 year ownership cost. 3. Again it's not fair to compare cost of owning a used gas car vs a brand new car. Just my opinion:) 4. Agree with the quality control issues. But I am hearing they improved it a lot since the last year. 5. I personally like M3 over the Y. Because M3 looks sleek and sporty. Thank you so much for the video!
my 22' LFP i picked up in august of 2022 showed 272 on delivery day. Never showed that again. Was 265/266 for 6 months. Now 15 months later, it shows 258 at full SOC. Little over 5% loss in a year. sure not that bad...but kind of a slap in the face when it has like 6k miles on it lol. Literally only saw it say 272 the first 2 minutes of driving on delivery day. never since hahahaha
Most people still don't understand that difference between standard range and long range is not important. On a road trip, you can still drive for 3 hours and charge for 20 mins. It is same regardless of the range (unless you are talking about Model S). Difference between Model 3 SR and Model Y LR is $10k. It is not worth the upgrade.
Yeah I bought a used Chevy Bolt and it does pencil out but your point stands, most new EV's don't pencil out if you're buying cheap used gas cars in the first few years.
Lucky you. Here in UK insurance costs me about 5000 GBP per year (depends on “no claim years” amount). And since at my offices I get free charging, I decided to go with Model 3 and it’s kinda cheaper than using gasoline/diesel vehicle. Especially bad is LEZ/ULEZ and congestion charges in London, UK, which I am lucky not to pay… yet. XD
Should of included your last yrs maintenance costs of the ICE car. I'm sure you changed oil as well as rotating tires and perhaps flushing the radiator, replace a hose...
It’s a tough sell to compare registration cost of a used ICE vs a new EV I had to make the switch myself and bracing myself for that registration fee. Fwiw, my gf’s 22 M3 RWD registration actually went up $80 to $760 😬
If you are looking to save money with an EV it comes down to commuting. If you commute, you will save a tonne. This year between oil changes, brakes and fuel..Our family has saved just over $5000 owning the model 3 compared to when we used the ICE vehicle per year.
25 cents off-peak! Jeezy! Gas is expensive where I'm at but we have nuclear wind and solar. My service provider doesn't offer off peak prices. But I pay .047 cents a Kw.
@@3vlogs487 You didn't want to wait for the Juniper model y refresh? I'm on the fence about it. I took a Model 3 Highland out and the upgrades are very nice, quiet inside, smoother ride. Hopefully these improvements will come to the 2025 Y.
@@DrRussPhd I mean sure but we got such a good deal we don’t care. It’s a Tesla, and still a nice car. More power to you to wait, but our old car was a lil rough despite being a 2018 civic.
One thing about EV as apposed to ICE, is that electricity rates are much more stable than gas prices. It would be much easier to budget. Gas prices fluctuate wildly for every imaginable reason, form hurricanes, to refinery shut downs. Currently gas is about $5.75 gal, when it was about $1 less a few months ago and even less than that earlier in the year. It's time to go EV for sure.
Tesla supercharger costs as much as gas and depending on what gas prices are the KWH will match the gas prices. It's disappointing. I only use home charging.
I’m debating on getting a EV this year for my new car or wait 10 more years (keeping the car I buy for 10 years before switching) for EV to mature and get even better
If you are willing to wait, then I think it would be a better way to save money. However, one big advantage of EVs is potential energy independence. You can generate energy through home solar, something you can’t do with any gas car for cheap. Every solar solution, even a full off grid system, would offset its own cost in under 10 years. Something I strongly encourage you to consider regardless of what vehicle you remain with.
@@battery_wattage solar isn’t a good option in Florida since we can’t go off grid and ur still paying for electricity plus now the solar panels. Since the car manufacturers are switch to nax I’ll just wait the 10 years so I don’t have to worry about whether or not the car I’m buying at the end of this year will be getting a port or not
@@rejoice37 they won’t let you do off grid even though it’s disconnected from grid? You should at least look into on grid that sells electricity. Those systems offset their cost in 3-5 years depending on the selling rate. You should at least look into it.
@@battery_wattage nope in Florida it’s illegal to go off the grid and because I’m in south Florida only one company services us I believe in all of Florida there’s 3-5 electric companies and u can’t choose them because they don’t rlly compete with each other it’s just what area is their territory is what company u have to work with
$72 a month in insurance? Must be nice. We get raked over the coals here in Ontario. Between our 2023 Model 3 and our 2016 Nissan Leaf, we pay just over $500 CAD a month in insurance
It depends on what you were driving before my jeep was dosing me 100$ a week in fuel my registration for my tesla was 70$ and my insurance is only 200$ more a year than my 12 yr old truck
Lots of people spend $500/month on fuel. A Tesla obviously has less off road capability than a Jeep, but then a Tesla has some nice features that a Jeep does not.
lol so cheap! in Colorado I paid 1100 for registration and 155 a month for insurance. I have the same car and the biggest discounts available. That being said, new cars cost similar amounts here. We also get 5k in incentives in Colorado in addition to the 7.5k in federal. I did the math and we are being paid to drive our Tesla. 😂 We had the same issue with the drivers door. They just put foam tape under the seal 🙄, total waste of time. I fixed it myself. I adjusted the tilt of the window and moved the door stricker in a few mm and it’s mostly gone. I also found several lose bolts, including the ones that secure the battery. I just tightened them myself. Not going back to Tesla service ever again. Absolutely horrendous.
You have almost talked me into white interior, but I’m most concerned about range, we are 120 mi from Lincoln NB, KCMO, Wichita KS, we travel about 80mph in the Flint Hills, windy super hot, super cold….soooo I wish I could handle LFP, but for now I think I’m stuck w/LR, (to bad I would save a lot O money), I would like to use it for a business traveling once a week to those locations thx for your review peace
25 cents per kw/h, wow dude, over here its 6.5 cents CAD. And that's regular rate, not even off peak. Registration is around 230$ CAD but we're not paying extra instead of gas tax yet. Insurance about the same, 76$ CAD per month.
The 4680 MY is not worth it. It's price is currently so close to the long range that it makes more sense to just get the LR MY. That 4680 has a terrible charging curve on the standard MY. It's a major downgrade compared to the m3 lfp. Less miles real world than even the lfp m3 due to charging limits for nca and degradation rates. Lfp you get the full advertised 272. Nca you don't get the full 279 advertised.
Have you heard of any Tesla Model 3 with LFP battery caught fire? I heard all the good things about the LFP battery but tbh I'm still can't believe there's no Tesla with LFP caught fire.
I think you made an apples to oranges comparison. Of course buying a used ice car for under $10 k is going to be cheaper. If you compare new to new, the cost savings might be more apparent. Not dramatic, but it’s there. Insurance and taxes will be more comparable if you do that.
$666 is ironic! state of california charges ~ $0.50 per gal tax. so if you drive 12K miles a year @ 30 MPG, that's 400 Gallons. 400 Gallons x $0.50 = $200 fuel tax per year. so $666 is excessive. FYI...our 2021 M3 registration went UP, not down.
Actually here in California the total gas tax and fees is $1.27 per gallon. PG&E off peak EV rate is now 27.8 per kwh. Peak rate in summer is now 59 cents per kwh.
Your most profound observation is no one should drive more than 3 hrs without a break. I welcome road trip breaks for snacks, stretching, bathroom, and charging is simultaneous.
While owning a 500 mi Lucid, I still took a break after 2-3 hrs. And I will do the same in a 1000 mi Aptera when it arrives.
I work on cars as a hobby and I look forward to the less maintenance of an EV on my personal car.
So its a hobby and youre looking forward to doing less of your hobby? Lmao what?
Idk all the electric components are far more complex than ICE components where its are mechanical.
The M3 is hands down the best bang for the buck sedan.
Thanks for your videos bro, I really appreciate them. I have an LFP that I got in January and I love it. Got about 9k miles on it already! Ive taken alot of your tips when going on the road- arrive at low soc and charge up long enough to get to the next. Keep the videos coming
100% agree with the do not be brand loyal. I am not sure why people feel loyalty towards corporations. The consumer should always be looking for the best product, regardless of the corporation making it.
I also bought a Model 3 RWD, but mine was in June and between price drops and bonus savings for taking new from already built inventory, I got mine for $38,747. It would have been a grand cheaper to have done white at the time since it was the default color, but I like the blue, so I went with it. I think between the county, state, and federal rebates/tax credits I will get $8,000. I am not wealthy, so the $7500 tax credit means less to me, since I will likely get $4500.
One unexpected bonus of the Tesla was when my AC broke at my home. I could slip into my garage and take a break from a 90 degrees interior temp in my home and let the Tesla cool my off while i watch videos and played video games. Not something I could have done with my 2012 Camry SE that it replaced.
As far as range, on a really hot day, my range dropped to 210. That included 80MPH driving and using the interior protection cooling when I was away from the car. Tempertures were around 108. Just the other day I drove up into the California Gold Country and range ended up being about 253 miles. That did not seem bad since there was a bunch of elevation changes, but it was slower driving.
There have been a few articles/surveys of EVs and Tesla software keeps coming out on top. I find the phone app and vehicle software to be excellent. I do not miss the physical buttons for most of the controls. The speed being displayed in the upper right of the center screen is fine as well.
I wish my Camry had hung in there for another year, because I would likely be buying the Highland update of the Model 3. With that said, very happy with my Model 3 so far. I do agree a hatchback like the Model S would have been my one wish for the vehicle.
I did drive a Model Y for a few days and I while I value the hatch and more space, I really think the Model 3 is a nicer ride.
If Tesla gets around to a Tesla van, which I believe is among the 10 types of EVs Tesla has planned by 2030, I would seriously consider getting one. I think that might be the ultimate road trip vehicle.
I do think Tesla build quality has improved a ton and it seems like Fremont is the most challenged of the factories. The praise of build quality from China nd Germany is amazing. Fremont is a modified Pontiac/NUMMI factory. I have a feeling clean sheets factory designs is helpful. Not to mention things learned in Fremont were probably used to make China and then Germany better. I believe Texas Model Y quality has been solid as well. I appreciate have the Fremont factory and it will always be a major historical footnote in the Tesla story, but I am not sure if they ever get the quality to the levels of the other factories. Since I live near the factory, I feel good I supported local labor as well as buying one of the most American vehicles you can buy in terms of parts and labor.
Hope to see a 50,000 miles review someday from you.
Congrats on one year! It's good that you guys haven't dealt with many build quality issues. My parents have a 2020 Tesla model 3 SR+ and although there aren't any creaks, they panel on the inside of the B pillar came undone and Tesla service had to glue it back into place😅. Hopefully Tesla will continue to improve build quality.
@@TailosiveEVmy next car will be a used Tesla model 3 😎
We've had ours 1 year. No problems. Many joys.
I feel like every manufacturer has issues and it's all hit or miss. My wife got a Cadillac Lyriq a few months ago and within the first week, the one pedal driving broke. Thankfully, they gave her a loaner Lyriq...WHOSE ONE PEDAL DRIVING ALSO BROKE!!! I feel like for the cheapest car ownership experience, get yourself a used Tesla Model 3, maybe 3 years old. Someone else took the depreciation hit, you're still going to get at least 8 good years out of it, then you can sell it a repeat. I used to say get something like a gas Honda Civic, but you really have to make sure to get rid of gas cars after 100K miles, because after that, they're just money pits.
@@TailosiveEV With the new model 3, it looks like it will improve. In the case of my parent's Tesla, there haven't been any other build quality complaints apart from the B pillar. Still a great car! 😉
I worked at discount tire for 10 yrs tire rotations and flat repairs are FREE to anyone that’s walks in the door. No purchase nessasary. Love your channel. Michelin and pirreli last the longest and are all I buy.
What about for touring and quietness. Which tire brand do you recommend?
Great review! I’ve had my M3 RWD 9 and a half months. Same as you… white. And love it.
Agree with so much of your review!!
The range is great…. And stopping to charge gives you time to safely read and answer emails and texts, eat, take a break or take a nap! The 170 charge speed is fine! Like you, I don’t feel in any way that the charge stops make long road trips feel longer. They just don’t!
I’m at 3% degradation and range to usually 265. I had service for rattle and tire sensor plus a flat they fixed right away. I’ve had great experiences with Burbank CA and especially Upland service. For some reason my artwork disappeared and never returned for all music sources and they couldn’t fix it remotely except saying a full reset which I won’t do.
It’s just an amazing car. Yes I’d love a better sound system but this is still very good. And the only thing I disagree with is that I think there will still be most cars coming with a range if 300 or 400 as a norm. Not because it’s so needed but because people are obsessed with range and for them to buy they’ll want range even though they don’t need it. Besides once a week and before long road trips. I only keep charged to 50% because i just don’t drive close to 100 miles a day. Some days not at all. Again thanks Drew.
Age absolutely impacts rates w most insurance carriers. I’ve worked at multiple, and each year it changes slightly and then larger decreases until mid 30s, and more if married… then when over 50 it starts to go up slightly. Can be different for different carriers tho. Glad you’re enjoying the M3, and tires are wearing well.
I thought insurance rates are mainly impacted based on high long you’ve been a safe driver
There’s absolutely no timing any market. You guys got a sick ride, and with the storage the m3 can work for even a family. We have 2 car seats in our m3 hertz rental, and had the wife leave her beloved ID4 awd at home. I was surprised she didn’t come home complaining but instead was telling me how much more she liked it!? Was not expecting that
Noice Drew. Congrats on 1 year. I'm finally going to be picking up mine next month. Grey/White MYLR so ready.
Also go to discount tire for replacements if you available in your area. their warranty is amazing and totally worth it.
We’re at 93k km on our 2022 up here in Canada. No issues with cold weather or snow (good winter tires). Averaging 163kwh/km since new. On full charge the GOM used to show 438km it now shows 421km and has been doing so for a long time. We ate through our first set of both stock and winter tires (lead foot). Replaced the summer set with Michelin PS4 ev from Costco. 40% less $ than OEM Michelin tire and made the ride over small bumps much smoother. Bought a second set of Pirellis (OEM) for the winter, they perform very well.
Looking to buy a second Tesla to replace our ICE vehicle. Was planning to buy a RWD Y but now that the new 3 is out, I’m torn.
Very thorough and rational review. Well done!
I had a BMW 5 series. I had to replace the radiator,fuel pump, water pump, battery, brakes and rotors. Plus $100 oil changes. My car had different size wheels on the front and back which was $500 for 4 no name tires. Fortunately we were able to do some of the work but it was still expensive. I bought the car with 50k miles on it. I spent almost as much on repairs as I did purchasing the vehicle. Car was great to drive but never again.
Bro you scored a beautiful wife, I'm subbing for her and the fact you guys are honest about the downsides unlike some tesla owner fanboys
For the wind noise in the winter, lubricate the rubber seals with silicone in the fall. It’ll prevent window sticking in the cold weather and keep the rubber soft over time.
Love the honest review! I picked up a model 3 end of last year and feel the same way, definitely not a luxury car but its a nice daily. People are way too concerned about charging but superchargers are great, and like you said no issue stopping every 2-3 hours on a road trip
At 10 cents per kilowatt hour it is DEFINITELY worth it. I’m two years into my ownership and my expenses are nil compared to my previous Subarus. It’s not even close. I’m in PA. Not sure I’ll ever go back to an ICE car.
I also bought the model 3 rear drive and love it. I couldn't believe your price per kilowatt I'm in MD and I pay .16 and gas here is a little over $4 for premium gas $3 for regular. We just bought ours last week and the Tesla insurance is $96 so I'm hoping it drops but still quite a bit cheaper than progressive. Thanks for all the info 👍
I put 23,500 since March 2023 when I bought the vehicle I have a model 3 SR. I had wind, noise and water intrusion when in car wash. Took it back to Tesla. They put new seals on adjusted front side windows and replace the trunk latch. All good now.
I went into LA today and saw gas stations over $7 a gallon. I'm so glad I have an electric car. I have a Hyundai Sonata as well, looks about the same age as yours (2008?) I had an issue where the car just wouldn't start, not even click and the panel under the steering wheel there is a fuse box that has as a relay in it that had some corrosion on it, I took some sand paper and lightly sanded it off and it worked great after.
Congrats for getting rid of your tailpipe! I'm glad to hear that Louise is open to other EVs, for there are many out there that are true competitors -and in some ways better, especially since practically ALL of them are adopting NACS. I agree that hand grips over all four doors are a necessity. And I also prefer hatchbacks over trunks.
Regarding battery degradation--a point of comparison for you: My LFP Model 3, which I took delivery of on December 6, has 96.35% of its original capacity, with 17,000 km on the odometer. That's with primarily Supercharging, though as of late I've switched to Level 2 charging on the Chargepoint J1772s across the road from me
Own a 2021 model 3 sr+ 45,000 miles. bought for $39,000 @ 2.49 interest rate. Washington state pay $.08 per kwh of electricity vs $5 per gallon of gas. So about $35 per month to charge driving an average of 16000 miles per year. Insurance is $75 per month. registration is $275 per year to make up for gas tax. overall I have saved over $7000k in fuel compared to 30 MPG vehicle or $9000k in fuel compared to 24 MPG. Only maintenance replaced tires at 35,000 miles for $1300 because I have a led foot. Free tire rotations though. Overall great investment and cheaper to drive than any midsize ICE vehicle.
What a great video! Thank you for the insights. This video made me even more excited about switching to an EV.
holy s***! it's been a year??!??!?
I was just about to say the same thing
Hell yeah for one year! Hopefully getting mine before the end of the year to ditch my ice car!
Nice, let me know if you need a referral code. Lol
Had my model 3 for a year now I've spend 80 dollars total in the first year and saved over 2,000 in gas saving. Definitely saving
Your wife is very candid and sweet. Great episode!
Agree with you so much and your detailed videos are one of the reason I got a M3 in March but I’m going to disagree with you on something. I’m not sure it shows your points as effective when you compare your cost of ownership with you old 2007 sonata with this M3. When looking at cost of ownership it’s always cheaper to drive a 2007 Sonata compared to a 2023 Sonata. Most of the costs above are affected by the cost of the new car. It’s your situation but doesn’t provide much context when talking about comparing cost of ICE vs EV. Btw, still a good overall video like the rest I mostly watch, keep it up!
I have zero problem paying the road tax, I feel it should be based on mile driven rather than a flat annual fee. Solar can also help your fuel cost, especially in high cost locations, my KW cost is around 13 cents and I'm thinking about solar.
Charging EV drivers tax because they don't pay for gas is robbery. Supercharging cost as much as gas. EV drivers are being taxed twice, unless you never supercharge.
I pay less than 8 cents per kw, but gas here is over $5/gallon. Saving so much money with an ev
Great video. One thing I'll point out with your comparisons is that you can't compare a Tesla to a used Hyundai Sonata and use that as a reflection of the cost of ICE vs EV! A Tesla Model 3 RW compares much better to a BMW 328i or something like that. And yeah, it sucks that many states are adopting the "EV tax" when you go to register you car, but I obviously understand why they do it. My state still isn't doing it yet, but I know it's only a matter of time.
We're working on getting solar panels and geothermal at the same time and I just love the fact that we can have our "gas" and home heating and cooling paid for (for the most part) by solar. Where I live, electricity has gone up from $0.14 per kWh to $0.22 just in three years and I like, as much as possible, to be able to be self-sufficient and not have my budget affected by whether or not a dictator wakes up and decides he wants to invade another country with a special military operation!
Insurance normally is rated on a 6 month basis. When you get a quote or whatever the case may be, you're getting a 6 month rate that's split into payments either 4-5 months etc. Comparing insurance on monthly payment basis is completely useless as every company offers different payment plans and some charge a "processing fee" for having a monthly payment as opposed to paying 6 month premiums from the get go. You need to look at your insurance declaration page to see what your 6 month cost is. Reason your monthly would drop is because your insurance renewed and you were rerated at 6 months. Either the insurance price is lower, you got some continued loyalty discount or simply could be the way your payments were split up initially vs at renewal, heck your 6 month premium might be higher but if you got an extra month of payments, monthly would be lower. So comparing monthly payments is useless and so many people make this mistake. You can have insurance that's $1000 for 6 months but split into 6 payments at $166.66 per month or you could have insurance that's $800 split into 4 payments at $200.00 per month, clearly the 2nd one is cheaper even though it's $200/month.
Perhaps it’s because I am in California, but I save over $2,500 a year alone not buying gas. Determining this saving by comparing our energy costs to charge our Tesla and then using the miles driven (25,200 miles) and dividing the miles driven by the 25 miles per gallon we get with our ICE car and then multiplying that with the average gas price over the past year. Over the past 5 years (2018-2023) we have saved over $12,800 over these 5 years, not including any maintenance savings given all the ICE maintenance costs.
I just did a cost analysis YOY after getting solar and the Tesla. After all said and done, I saved $2K in the first year. Registration going up due to a newer car is insane. A car is a car. That’s wild. PA is a flat rate. The EV charge is coming. And rightfully so. It’s almost like tax evasion right now lol
For overall savings you need to invest in a good solar system with battery storage. The solar will reduce your electric bill and charge your car to replace buying gas. We see a minimum of $250/mo but we are retired and charge the car afternoons after the powerwall in full.
I found that Tesla's assumed "gas savings" were baloney. I would have to upgrade my electric service in my home from 100 amps to 200 amps ($3500-5000). My insurance would increase by about $500/year. I also notice that pretty much every Tesla pumper and shill on UA-cam put PPF on their cars while saying that the Tesla paint is "fine" with out it. Price is $2500 for a front wrap up to $6000 for a full car wrap. These are the "other " costs that Tesla sales won't mention. Plus all the accessories that are needed (floor mats, charger connector kit, lift pucks, etc) so the upfront costs of a Tesla are way beyond the sticker price even throwing in the federal, state, and any local rebates.
Speaking facts here about the savings…i just got my model y in my state paying personal property, then registration, and insurance the saving are minimal. But overall fun car to have
I live in FL and the cost of owning a electric car is far less expensive than many other places. All of my cars have been paid for over a year. So my TCO assessment is a valid case for less TCO in my case.
I think you can get a new one for the same price as a used since the new ones have the $7,500 tax credit (and the income limit is much higher than the used car tax credit).
Thats actually funny and something they probably didn’t even realize with the headrests
Research showed that the battery degregation should even out at 10% for lfp. So expect long term, with 100k+ miles later, the rest of the life of the car should be in the 240+ miles at 100%. Which is respectable considering most EVs come with that amount new and should only be charged to 80%. I have the same config as yours except midnight silver. 12k miles later my max miles shows 265.
I have the LFP M3 and I lose 1 mile for every 2,000 miles.
I really like this episode since the opinions are well resonated with me owning both the 3 rwd and lr y now. There are definitely not much cost saving considering the higher insurance and registration cost in CA.
Tesla mention the you score driving also affects the price of insurance.
But will you replace your gas car with the Aptera, when it comes out?
Crazy that the price you paid for that LFP Model 3 is more than a brand new model 3. . . That sucks man.
Glad you love the car and hopefully it continues to drive well!
Great video! Is that a Rule of Threads t-shirt?
1. I pay 250$ per month to insure my M3 here in Tampa lol.
2. I don't think it's fair to include state registration fees into the 1 year ownership cost.
3. Again it's not fair to compare cost of owning a used gas car vs a brand new car. Just my opinion:)
4. Agree with the quality control issues. But I am hearing they improved it a lot since the last year.
5. I personally like M3 over the Y. Because M3 looks sleek and sporty.
Thank you so much for the video!
my 22' LFP i picked up in august of 2022 showed 272 on delivery day. Never showed that again. Was 265/266 for 6 months. Now 15 months later, it shows 258 at full SOC. Little over 5% loss in a year. sure not that bad...but kind of a slap in the face when it has like 6k miles on it lol. Literally only saw it say 272 the first 2 minutes of driving on delivery day. never since hahahaha
Most degradation is in the first year it’s normal. I’m at 30k miles now and it says 262
And you have 24k more miles than me lol. I still love the car but it kind of sucks.
Most people still don't understand that difference between standard range and long range is not important. On a road trip, you can still drive for 3 hours and charge for 20 mins. It is same regardless of the range (unless you are talking about Model S). Difference between Model 3 SR and Model Y LR is $10k. It is not worth the upgrade.
Yeah I bought a used Chevy Bolt and it does pencil out but your point stands, most new EV's don't pencil out if you're buying cheap used gas cars in the first few years.
Lucky you. Here in UK insurance costs me about 5000 GBP per year (depends on “no claim years” amount). And since at my offices I get free charging, I decided to go with Model 3 and it’s kinda cheaper than using gasoline/diesel vehicle.
Especially bad is LEZ/ULEZ and congestion charges in London, UK, which I am lucky not to pay… yet. XD
WOW £5000 for insurance? I’m also in the UK and mine was £380 this year.
I looked around and managed to find prices of around 4k.
I am new driver and haven't even owned a car. Hence I am quoted with such premium, I guess.
The seat squeak is from the inner bolster rubbing the center console. Both of mine do it. Being taller with the seat back makes it worse.
Bro with how skinnier you look that white apple watch band looked like a hospital band for a sec in the thumbnail😅😅😅😅. Keep it up doe.
Should of included your last yrs maintenance costs of the ICE car. I'm sure you changed oil as well as rotating tires and perhaps flushing the radiator, replace a hose...
It’s a tough sell to compare registration cost of a used ICE vs a new EV
I had to make the switch myself and bracing myself for that registration fee.
Fwiw, my gf’s 22 M3 RWD registration actually went up $80 to $760 😬
Agree can't really compare and old ICE car to a new EV. I bet that old car has had a few trips to the garage.
If you are looking to save money with an EV it comes down to commuting. If you commute, you will save a tonne. This year between oil changes, brakes and fuel..Our family has saved just over $5000 owning the model 3 compared to when we used the ICE vehicle per year.
25 cents off-peak! Jeezy! Gas is expensive where I'm at but we have nuclear wind and solar. My service provider doesn't offer off peak prices. But I pay .047 cents a Kw.
Free rotations at Americas tire... I would suggest going there plus price match. And no I'm not affiliated with them. I work in solar lol
You can have the windshield repaired for about $150 or free if you go through your insurance.
I just got a new 2023 Tesla model 3, but I am waiting for the Aptera. The Aptera is the car of my dreams. Tesla is ok, but I have complaints.
Right on! I’m waiting there with ya
We got a 24 model y long range new for 32 after incentives here. Used the 2020 ones were selling for the same.
AWD or RWD?
@@DrRussPhd awd
@@3vlogs487 You didn't want to wait for the Juniper model y refresh? I'm on the fence about it. I took a Model 3 Highland out and the upgrades are very nice, quiet inside, smoother ride. Hopefully these improvements will come to the 2025 Y.
@@DrRussPhd I mean sure but we got such a good deal we don’t care. It’s a Tesla, and still a nice car. More power to you to wait, but our old car was a lil rough despite being a 2018 civic.
My 2023 Bolt is also missing the grab handles.
I have a cheap workaround for the handles. I made a video of it. Lol My family kept bothering me about not having them.
One thing about EV as apposed to ICE, is that electricity rates are much more stable than gas prices. It would be much easier to budget. Gas prices fluctuate wildly for every imaginable reason, form hurricanes, to refinery shut downs. Currently gas is about $5.75 gal, when it was about $1 less a few months ago and even less than that earlier in the year. It's time to go EV for sure.
Tesla supercharger costs as much as gas and depending on what gas prices are the KWH will match the gas prices. It's disappointing. I only use home charging.
It will be awesome in 5 years when one can buy a 2021 model 3 for 15 grand. That’s my plan!
omg thought the uk was expenisve at 9.5p off peak charge
Car is a multi purpose tool so travel with the car is important. To reduce time of travel you need distance.
I’m debating on getting a EV this year for my new car or wait 10 more years (keeping the car I buy for 10 years before switching) for EV to mature and get even better
WAIT!
If you are willing to wait, then I think it would be a better way to save money. However, one big advantage of EVs is potential energy independence. You can generate energy through home solar, something you can’t do with any gas car for cheap. Every solar solution, even a full off grid system, would offset its own cost in under 10 years. Something I strongly encourage you to consider regardless of what vehicle you remain with.
@@battery_wattage solar isn’t a good option in Florida since we can’t go off grid and ur still paying for electricity plus now the solar panels. Since the car manufacturers are switch to nax I’ll just wait the 10 years so I don’t have to worry about whether or not the car I’m buying at the end of this year will be getting a port or not
@@rejoice37 they won’t let you do off grid even though it’s disconnected from grid? You should at least look into on grid that sells electricity. Those systems offset their cost in 3-5 years depending on the selling rate. You should at least look into it.
@@battery_wattage nope in Florida it’s illegal to go off the grid and because I’m in south Florida only one company services us I believe in all of Florida there’s 3-5 electric companies and u can’t choose them because they don’t rlly compete with each other it’s just what area is their territory is what company u have to work with
How much curb rash do you have? I feel that's a universal issue with Tesla rims
$72 a month in insurance? Must be nice. We get raked over the coals here in Ontario. Between our 2023 Model 3 and our 2016 Nissan Leaf, we pay just over $500 CAD a month in insurance
What???? $500 a month? Dude, you need to move over here!!
oh man you're so lucky... €2,04/liter in the Netherlands= $9,30/gallon...
Charging cost in Canada where I live using your 5060 kwh converted to USD is $409 but insurance is double. Can't win.
Windshields maintenance is free with Florida insurance
Im looking to buy a used 2022 Model 3 for about $22k out the door with about 32k miles after the $4k EV credit
Nice! Great deal
It depends on what you were driving before my jeep was dosing me 100$ a week in fuel my registration for my tesla was 70$ and my insurance is only 200$ more a year than my 12 yr old truck
Lots of people spend $500/month on fuel. A Tesla obviously has less off road capability than a Jeep, but then a Tesla has some nice features that a Jeep does not.
I would like mine to have CarPlay and a Rear Windshield Wiper!
lol so cheap! in Colorado I paid 1100 for registration and 155 a month for insurance. I have the same car and the biggest discounts available. That being said, new cars cost similar amounts here. We also get 5k in incentives in Colorado in addition to the 7.5k in federal. I did the math and we are being paid to drive our Tesla. 😂 We had the same issue with the drivers door. They just put foam tape under the seal 🙄, total waste of time. I fixed it myself. I adjusted the tilt of the window and moved the door stricker in a few mm and it’s mostly gone. I also found several lose bolts, including the ones that secure the battery. I just tightened them myself. Not going back to Tesla service ever again. Absolutely horrendous.
$0.25 is not that many, in Europe we're currently at €0.60.. ($0.65) 😮💨 And when converted $9.60 for a gallon Petrol.
Just back from Costco, $4.9 for gas, high side for US. Electricity is around 11c.
You ever consider installing solar??
So in Europe it's not worth it. That's V8 consumption levels
You have almost talked me into white interior, but I’m most concerned about range, we are 120 mi from Lincoln NB, KCMO, Wichita KS, we travel about 80mph in the Flint Hills, windy super hot, super cold….soooo I wish I could handle LFP, but for now I think I’m stuck w/LR, (to bad I would save a lot O money), I would like to use it for a business traveling once a week to those locations thx for your review peace
25 cents per kw/h, wow dude, over here its 6.5 cents CAD. And that's regular rate, not even off peak. Registration is around 230$ CAD but we're not paying extra instead of gas tax yet. Insurance about the same, 76$ CAD per month.
Where did you get insurance that cheap? Also in Canada
It totally tracks that California would charge $666, lol
It is if you have solar panels
In Florida registration cost max $96.00 insurance should not be relevant yet in Florida cheaper
The 4680 MY is not worth it. It's price is currently so close to the long range that it makes more sense to just get the LR MY. That 4680 has a terrible charging curve on the standard MY. It's a major downgrade compared to the m3 lfp. Less miles real world than even the lfp m3 due to charging limits for nca and degradation rates. Lfp you get the full advertised 272. Nca you don't get the full 279 advertised.
How exciting
Have you heard of any Tesla Model 3 with LFP battery caught fire? I heard all the good things about the LFP battery but tbh I'm still can't believe there's no Tesla with LFP caught fire.
It is a much more stable chemistry meaning it’s less likely to catch fire
Why would you not equip the car with white seat belts.
25 cents per kw?
Here in AZ.. OFF PEAK is 12 cents.
I hope you get value out of what you’re paying for.
I think you made an apples to oranges comparison. Of course buying a used ice car for under $10 k is going to be cheaper. If you compare new to new, the cost savings might be more apparent. Not dramatic, but it’s there. Insurance and taxes will be more comparable if you do that.
What a great review !
Remember no oil changes, our new transmission for the truck cost $5000, etc.
You can actually get a discounted model ordered directly from tesla with less than 4k down payment and a total no more than 20 grand with a ref code.
appreciate this honest review video. Would you buy another Telsa if this one gets totaled?
Time flies 🎉
LOL, with those electric rates, you must be in Connecticut..
been waiting for this video!!
put your wife on your thumbnail for the first time ever to get more views... i see your strategies Drew.
Cost is the number one factor in converting to EVs which isn't happening fast enough.
I find the Tesla app isn't accurate in estimating gas cost.. Tessie was much better and much higher based on my old ICE vehicle
$666 is ironic! state of california charges ~ $0.50 per gal tax. so if you drive 12K miles a year @ 30 MPG, that's 400 Gallons. 400 Gallons x $0.50 = $200 fuel tax per year. so $666 is excessive. FYI...our 2021 M3 registration went UP, not down.
Actually here in California the total gas tax and fees is $1.27 per gallon. PG&E off peak EV rate is now 27.8 per kwh. Peak rate in summer is now 59 cents per kwh.