How to avoid an unstable hover and take off | DCS AH-64D quick vid
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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When I fly Huey or Mi-8 in DCS I look outside of the helicopter so I can hover (more or less). In Apache I need to force myself to not stare at the acceleration/velocity cue and look at the surroundings, because looking at the cue makes it much harder for me to stabilize the hover (despite I believe that it was designed to help you with hovering, not to distract your attention :) )
Great video step dad! Keep up the content mate, its great to see you showing the non believers that the Apache is far from unflyable!
Keep hustling, brother. Still gotta ride shotgun with you soon.
i guess i missed something here 😄 who tf said that the apache is unflyable?? i am hooked with that thing since release. it flys great
@@NWGJulian I guess it's people coming straight from the ka-50 which is so much more stable.
I'm one of those. I thought I had a good handle on helis because I was doing well in the black shark. The apache showed me I was pretty shit. But I'm passable now. Just takes a few hours.
I really, really appreciated the stability that the Ka-50 fly by wire system bring.
Even with AP channels off it still extremely stable.
I guess that's required for a single pilot ground attack rotary platform. You can't really fight when the machine is trying to kill you.
@@LongTran-em6hc Agreed. The Ka-50 feels almost like cheating when you're flying it around. I can slide into a hillside position, creep up above the trees and just click the auto-hover button and let it park itself in the sky. It's definitely what you need with the Ka-50 too, since you've got a tiny TV sitting in your lap to stare down at to find targets without the help of FLIR, you've got a pretty rough field of view beyond the front of your wings, and until the BS3, you had to manually be ready to dump your own countermeasures if you were lucky enough to see who was shooting at you.
Thank you for the videos it's really helped a lot. I've only just started using the Apache in the last couple of weeks and haven't even fired the weapons. My main focus has been taking off and hovering and a little bit of low level flying. Personally for me I'll enjoy the other parts of the Apache once I've mastered the hovering. I'm using the turtle beach stick with twist but have just received my WinWing Hotas which should help a lot.
I found for me, great practice to "getting on top of everything at once" is switching from CPG seat back to pilot seat whilst in a hover. Yet another great vid, thanks for putting all this stuff out and for taking the time, I've had so much fun learning the Apache!
Good stuff Casmo. This is where I hope they add a windsock to the airfields so we can predict effects on the aircraft movement. Holding a tail-wind hover is much harder than off the nose.
Wind Socks are already in the game, they have to be placed via ME but they work from what I can remember
Half the time I don't even flip down the monocle till after I finish initial climbout. I am looking outside the the whole time and for me it is easier to hover without all that extra stuff than it is with it.
“You’re gona get frustrated and play with the jets, which is lame” haha, best helo pilot quote.
Very good Video again. You gotta anticipate what the aircraft is doing...that is the hey point in aviation. Whether it's a hover in a helo or AAR in the fixed wing department. The more experience you have on your chosen mod the better you'll get at it...hopefully that is. 😉 I fly in VR only. It gives me the perfect immersion and 3D vision. Especially helpfull in a helo.
Thanks Casmo for sharing this video. You're the man. Let's go put some warheads on foreheads 🤘🏻😄
(I love that line of yours...can't ya tell 😇)
Hey @CasmoTV can you make a short video about aerobatics please? I'd love to understand the hammerhead maneuver! Thx
See the motion, stop the motion, settle down!.
Nice. Now if I could only get taxiing down. Rudder pedals do my head in....
Great, what is that red box in the top left called? I don't know the terminology I can't see the trim while flying, know there's a red cross that some people have on the top left but don't know how to activate it or what it's called?
Good tips :)
Jets are lame, you heard it here folks.
Great vid as always mate!
A good tid bit to pass on from my Lynx flying days for those who are struggling - You're thinking too much. Stop it. Stop *thinking* about what you need to do, and *do* it instead. You've got to tell the conscious part of your brain to STFU, and fly the crate. Pick something on the topography near you, and *just* hold a relative attitude/position to it.
When you stop shoving the thought process in the way of your subconscious, it turns out its really good at holding you relative to something. Rolling to one side? Let the body deal with it. Side slipping? Look at the topo, pick a thing, and stop relative to it.
Oh, and my pet peeve from when I did my instructing stint: STOP SLAMMING CONTROLS. Gentle, gradual inputs make a happy, controllable airframe. A happy airframe makes a happy chief. A happy chief doesn't bust your balls cause they're changing the swash again.
Too true.
So....don't think, just do? :)
@@gobdav oh nice Maverick ref :)
Huey is good practice for this as it doesn’t have a hud/Monocle so you have to look up and out and ‘read’ the terrain. Try the lift off but without the monocle.
Apache unflyable? lol ... uhm i guess those are ka-50 drivers (the shark is so easy to fly u can use a gamepad). Yes the flight model needs some work (its EA), but its far from unflyable.
Those peiple should start practicing on the UH-1 (no fancy pants SAS to save your butcheeks).
3:53 Nailed it, especially that play with jets part :D
These short and specific videos are great resources for learning this thing, thanks a ton!
Good pedals made a difference for me in managing Helicopters
I needed this. DCS virtual ground crew looking at me like I'm drunk.
I just keep flying every helicopter in DCS as much as I can and memorize by feel the rough positions of the cyclic and pedals on liftoff. A force feedback stick would really help with the trimmer, but i've got my own janky system to trim as well. I have stopped trimming for hover as well and my hovers have gotten better for the AH64. Although at a target area, I prefer a subtle 10-20 kt strafe, especially against BMPs with toe missiles.
Best Hover IA George Mode On :)
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single biggest problem with the Apache is framerates. if you have less than 30fps (especially in VR), then you can'[t possibly fly the heli. no chance for a stable hover. So check the fps, lower the gfx settings until you have stable above 30. before that dont evbe try to fly this. Other than that of course its not easy, but after 2 weeks of flying on e hour here and there i am comfortable to land on a rooftop (or hove abvove it for that matter)
Have you also tried the helicopters on Microsoft Flight Simulator and what do you think?
Just came back after a few months and noticed the yaw trim is working correctly now. You barely have to use the pedals as much to takeoff now. I think a lot of people use too much input, but they are also using a desktop stick with no extension. I would recommend at least a 20cm extension for better control. Relax your grip and just control it with light tension. With the extension you only have to move the stick with a couple fingers.
yep should be first stop before attempting the apache i got thousands of hours in the dcs huey and i just forget about all the electronics in the apache and the monocle i fly it like none of that is there an she behave impeccably well
@@apocalypticweasel9078 I know the FM is not there yet, but it is still very good. I was on a multiplayer server a couple days ago and had a fighter trying to shoot us down. I dipped through the valley and the fighter could not get a lock. I finally headed back to the Farp and he tried to follow us, SAM at the Farp took him out, lol.
How did you put the SRS overlay in the base of your monicle?
play with the jets because it's lame? I couldn't agree more
If the symbol is creating a trendency the pilot chase, why didn't they(military )redesign it to go opposite the way? That's killing me.
I like mi24p bs123 mi8 flying experiences as they are smooth to fly, and autopilot sys is doing really pro. When flying with ah64d, i feel no good and a bit frastrated ,even more the auto hold alat function always disengaging itself and failing to activate. It's just like an incompleted autopilot system installed to it and not to a usable standard(maybe just not for me), but the strange thing is that they are actually using it in reality today.
I mean it’s a bold statement to make that an aircraft that has world wide sales of over 2400 is incomplete. Especially when you’re making that comparison to a video game that is, by its own admission, incomplete.
So, tl;dr - get good :D In other words - practice!
Just don’t over correct and you’re good.
"you'll go play with the jets which is lame." 🤣
i never trim the choppers. i use muscle memory.
My recipe for stability is: freeze the controls. Just don’t move then at all. Fix axes one by one then freeze it again. Move to the next one. Collective: pick the chopper up then freeze it. As one gets better the amount of deviation following the inactivity of the controls will shrink. You’r wobbling? Freeze everything. Deal with axes patiently and individually Hover: don’t do it! Just stabilize your axes. Hovering should not be the aim, it’s just a consequence.
Great vid @Casmo, one question- I get into a hover with little to no rudder input, i am guessing that's the heading hold taking effect is this a correct assumption?
Correct. Once you get weight off the wheels.
@@CasmoTV Thank you
I think this community sometimes takes for granted what it's got.
We've got an awesomely detailed world to play fighter pilot/apache pilot and get ourselves into all sorts of mischief.
And we've got people like you, C.W Lemoine and a few others (I forget their names, but if you know any reply to this so I have more content creators to follow!) who have done this for real and are willing to bear with those of us who didn't go to flight school and maybe didn't even finish high school as we try learn how to pilot these awesome machines from the safety of our own homes.
Thanks for your work Casmo!
Hey Casmo. Just a quick note concerning a lot of gripes I have had. I have the stable (non beta) version of DCS. They just released the update finally that the beta guys have had for a few months now. Holy smokes! They made some HUGE improvements regarding the Apache. Other than the visual improvements to lighting and graphics they reworked the infamous SAS SATURATION that used to drive me nuts. Now it's just a short beep and the message flashes briefly. So much nicer not having that thing yelling at you. Overall the Apache just works smoother. Maybe it's just me, but I am trying to find update list to see what all they added/changed/removed. Or a video. If you know of such a thing, please share. I will keep looking and hope to see a new video from you soon!
Do you unlock the tail wheel so that you get a feel how much it wants to spin?
No. Keep it locked
Regarding wobbling i discovered that it is not necessary to apply curve/saturation to all axis but only on the roll axis. I have warthog stick with circa 20cm extension: pitch-all default,no curve, roll- linear &35% saturation, yaw 20% curve, default saturation. This settings made it so much controllable for me.
OMG, this is soooo me.
nice video as usual. You can get rid of the mesmerizing monocular by pressing "I" and learn to fly the bird with a better impression of movement. For overcontroling issues,try to fly the thing link an umbrella on your fingertip.
“Get frustrated and go play with jets which is lame” LOL. So good!
This last year and a half I’ve gotten so into Heli’s on DCS multiplayer, a lot more entertaining because not only are other players trying to kill you, but so is the ground and the helicopter itself sometimes.
As a kid.....many years ago now......I was always fascinated with helicopters. I actually wanted to go in the Army and fly them, but alas my eyes were not good enough. Thanks for the video Cas.
Took me awhile to figure out that I don't need pedal input for hover. The aircraft holds the heading all by herself, it seems, although sometimes we fight for control a little bit. Which can be annoying.
Great tips, thanks Casmo. I do struggle with this at night, taking off or landing with a regular combat load. I think a lack of peripheral vision hampers my ability to get ahead of the aircraft quickly enough. Practice, practice, practice.
Great Video Casmo, can't wait to get the Apache! Love my Hind but still haven't mastered her.
oh dang this is super helpful, thank you
up til now i've just been flying drunk to cancel it out
Wish I had someone to give all these tips in 2008 when I was learning the Black Shark. That's an even easier helicopter to fly, and it was still giving me fits when I was new. Only stuck with it because, as you said, going to play with jets is lame.
There's 3 options for the trim button. Which one do you use please ?
The top (forward) is the trim release. Press that, move controls, unpress.
@@CasmoTV Thanks 😊
Loving these video's about controlling the aircraft. Would love to see more like this, including more advanced and evasive maneuvering from hover and flight in motion!
Every time I let go of the cyclic my aircraft starts pitching up and rolling until it crashes, this is on the runway instant action mission.
Have you trimmed it?
Weird chopper to fly u gotta treat like a fixed wing a/c u need forward movement to get some sort of control
Disagreed. I’ve trimmed it to a hover from lift off and taken my hands off the controls. It just takes some babying to get into position.
Nothing fixed wing about at all :). But every input has a consequence, so 0.00001 makes it go that way. I have to have some deadzone and curve due the physical controller. I whish we could get a readout of our inputs in numbers. For racing games we have motec and 1 ex. was me doing a xxx.21 lap and another doing a xxx19 lap. If you watch it on video, it is impossible to tell, but in motec, it is very clear. Also make a video just for yourself and then you can see your possible overcontrolling.
@@macedk I’m fish tailing all over the place wouldn’t dar hit the trim button in transition to hover I always line it up push the cyclic forward and treat it like a plane lol
i dont get the point of the video.
in the beginning you say: "even if you dont have trouble [...]" what do we learn here? use your trimmer to trim out the Apache to get a stable hover?
UA-cam is like a buffet. You can take what you like and leave what you don’t want.
@@CasmoTV maybe this video is not for me.
I can’t please everyone all the time. Not my job. 🤷🏻♂️
@@Josiah_Trelawny1 You should write about it in your blog bro.
@@zaldronthesage whats wrong now? cant you take a lil bit of critique?
Blaze it