I don't think it's that tbh I think it's mostly because of how over saturated the market is. These idols mostly come from privileged backgrounds and even then they're not guaranteed success.
this sounds like youre calling current idols and trainees DUMB FOR LACKING WISDOM at a young age like, yes the industry is bad, but these people had a dream. a lot of these idols wanted to be one because they liked singing, dancing, being in front of people etc. JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO THESE THINGS DOES MEAN THEY HAVE A LACK OF WISDOM
@@mramisuzuki6962 Its a problem in K-Pop as it is also a problem in the other career feilds that become flooded with ppl looking for jobs. the life spane of a group is geting shorter and shorter.
@@mramisuzuki6962 most groups are unknown.. There are over 200+ groups in kpop. The only actually known and always looked at ones are the ones made by big/known companies or ones that have big idols.
@@mramisuzuki6962 the issue is what's the point of even spending YEARS being a trainee if your group doesn't even get attention once you debut? Being a kpop trainee is super difficult and rigorous so I can see why most people don't wanna bother.
Like I wanted to become an idol but not really anymore you are gonna be overworked tired have to be on strict diets and training and you will get lots of hate for minor things we just wanna live freely
@@EMielléৎ yes exaclty you will barely have time to yourself and idols get little sleep due to being overworked sometimes they dont even sleep its crazy this will cause them to have alot of health issues when they are older cause my mom did say if you dont have enough sleep or you dont sleep well it can cause heart failure heart issues and plepilations when you are old and its not good you might even get a heart attack because your body is over exhausted im not 100% sure but i think due to too many strict diets as well and lack of sleep it might cause infertility because your body will be too tired to have kids could be wrong though but yeah they also collapse and faint on stage alot due to these issues the industry has to change this is ridiculous nothing is cool and fun anymore when you are demaging your health badly its not fun trust me although i do consider becoming a manager for a kpop group i will think through though
Honestly with the amount of Downsides of the kpop industry such as overworking, strict dieting, harsh beauty standards and not being able to have a dating life, it's understandable that people will realize that it's toxic and not healthy. I'm glad kids are not wanting to go in the industry, as it's more healthier for them to have a childhood than giving it away just for fame and Money. Memories last a lifetime while fame and money don't.
++ a lot of groups end up nugu. they could become famous in a better way like making big differences in society with their education (this is not to say idols dont make a difference obviously, but)
The ignorance lol. Korean kids don't have a childhood. If they aren't training to be an idol they're gonna be training to be something else or studying day in and day out! Greatness and wealth doesn't just come to you by sleeping or lounging around eating cheetos all day. If you wanna achieve GREATNESS someday you start em kids as young as possible. How'd you think South Korea's GDP grew so fast in the 90s-2010s? Cuz of how hard Koreans are being pushed by society and their parents
Harsh beauty standards are a thing because cmon...people are more likely to look at some girl who's like a 10/10 compared to some girl who's like a 6/10 and you already know K-Pop fans and K-netz are harsh as hell online! That 6/10 would not survive. The need to be beautiful goes beyond K-Pop but is interwoven within Korean society. You gotta submit pictures of yourself on job applications 😆 pretty privilege exists not just in Korea but even in the western world as well. You just don't need to submit a photo on job applications in America
FACTZZZZ those shows also show how they prefer beauty over talent 🤦♀️ like can a physical beauty, make an "artist," or someone with real natural talent who TRAINS and freaking SURVIVES become an artist? These shows have shown that real talent is not going to be on the spotlight anymore, but a bunch of pretty young kids are. Like a bunch of dolls. Being controlled and told what to do by greedy companies who are always, mostly men. This is so creepy. We have realised this in the worst way possible. We should have realised this when talent had a chance to debut, but we realised this when beauty had more chances to debut than talent. I want to hear someone who can sing live properly, not just recorded songs, or I could make my own voice, use software to change it, make it sound pleasant, and listen to it. There is a reason why I watch TALENTED people because I CAN'T sing and DON'T have the talent while they do. And when I see people who don't really do what they have to do because they have already made their debut, they have been voted to do so, but don't because they can't. Who wouldn't want to if they had the talent? They don't do it because they don't have the talent. It is real. Fans are trying so hard to deny that, why? Because those "artists" are kids, the same kids those fans voted to debut. But anyway, it is true that it's always beauty over talent when it comes to Kpop or entertainment industry in general. It's good people are realising, but what's not good is that young kids who are trying to be idols are suffering and are going to suffer in the future.
Kids are choosing the right thing👍🏻 Fame and spotlights aren’t the most important thing in life. Able to live your life, enjoy time with the ones you love and your friends, having a healthy body instead of fitting into crazy kbs ... are so much happier
A lot of older idols didn't feel comfortable with fame, nor did they seak it, that's a more recent gens thing. In the older gens it was more often seen as a career path to get yourself and your family to a better financial situation and a career where you can make good money and opportunities for work if you're not very inclined for other areas, and ofc there were people that wanted to sing or perform and it was the most likely path to being successful and not struggling. If you debuted you were kinda set up for success. That's no longer the case, there's a lot of idols that struggling now.
@@kms2345 imagine defending the toxic industry just because popular groups benefited from it. If you think minor trainees being brainwahsed by companies and fans into thinking plastic surgery solves everything is a good thing and should be tolerated then u might want to rethink what u just said
true, the window frame of age to debut is getting smaller these days. many companies are now debuting younger idols that are around 14-16 so if you just started training and don’t debut by that age, it gets more and more unlikely that you’ll even debut because by age 18-20, you’re “too old” now and your “career” is over. the success rate really is too low now
Wow these kids are smart. If I was a middle-scholer, I would do anything to become an idol. They can become famous in different way, without years of labor.
I agree with you, but fame requires consistent hardwork for way more years in other fields you see.... For Those who crave for fame, kpop might be the shortest and most secure way....
@@user-riahmespherethat’s one of the top reasons why, if you listened to the video they said kids don't wanna be idols because the industry is abusive. 💀
@@user-riahmespheresome people are very mentally weak. they want to become idols to be loved by many people but they also will never know when they will start to become hated. being an idol would be a soul sucking job for many people
Social media may play a major role into this. Where I live, most young people want to be influencers. Compared to idols, its half the effort, double the resources
And you are in control of your finances, your exposure, and keep all the profits. Unless there are similarly exploitative agencies churning out influencers, I think I've heard of that in china, as well as livestreamer/v-tuber agencies that have similar levels of control to kpop labels.
thats actually good, alot of them give up their education and dont end up succeeding as idols. many former idols said they regret it due to the industry and how much they struggle with money unless u reach celebrity status
@@uschwitz education is incredibly important. Look at how people lived back in the day because they weren't educated. A nation that isn't educated is a nation easily manipulated by its government.
Give up their education? Aren't they supposed to still go to school on top of everything else? Because that's what I saw in a documentary. A lot of idols even have the opportunity to complete a university degree (maybe it's up to the label?). I don't know much about other groups but BTS members all are completing or have completed their masters for example.
@@kuroro9949 It depends. It used to happen quite a lot that trainees or idols dropped out of school to dedicate their time to being an idol - BUT since 2023, there has been a law that REQUIRES underage trainees and idols to continue attending school. The company isn't allowed to have them drop out... And considering the fact that they had to make a law about this at all, I think it's easy to imagine just how frequently that kind of thing happened.
Idols need a union or genuine scarcity so they have bargaining power against the insanely exploitative wages (or lack thereof), working hours, demands, etc
Let's not forget, kids see how these idols are treated in the media and want no parts. It no longer makes sense to sign up to get abused by your company then bullied by the public
With how netizens and “fans” are towards idols, yeah no sh*t less people are auditioning. I can’t imagine what these idols go through daily with the constant hate and backlash they get for the smallest things from complete strangers. I just feel so bad for them
To be honest school students were sacrificing their whole childhood and time to enjoy childhood with friends. And even those sacrifices won't guarantee a fixed result. There were many trainees before who trained for years but the company didn't choose them to join any group. Many are doing part time jobs after leaving their company.
as they should. I’m glad kids are starting to look ahead into different paths instead of setting straight for an idol life just bc they see lots of groups going famous. they’re choosing the right path by looking into different careers instead, especially since they actually get to live their life instead of it being controlled by a company and their fans
@@susiex6669 Teen kids listen to Taylor Swift, Cardi B, Dua Lipa, Sabrina Carpenter, etc. All of them grown woman, old k-pop used to be like that too.
@@Lucid.24 The likes of Cardi B arent appropriate for teen kids and no teen is going to listen to a thirty year old fan. Furthermore, Swifties started listening to Taylor WHEN SHE WAS A TEEN.
@@susiex6669 since when is someone in his 20s or thirties considered middle aged? Also when i was a teen i listened to 0 teen singers . All of the artists i listened to were bands and the age would go from 20s to 60s. All of the people i knew were also like that , whatever genre of music they listened to, the artists were adults not teenagers
Well, maybe cuz people who want to be idols are seen as "too old" by kpop companies. There are for sure many who still want to be idols but companies nowadays just want the freaking kids.
@@narayastarks yeah, some company's limited age is 16, some is 18. Some company doesn't have limited age on their audition site, but if you are 18 or more they just want people who are already talented or have very good visual that fit the k-beauty standard✌️😔 they make it look like people at 20s to 30s are old people and would be death at 40s or something💀.
C'mon guys we know why some companies want to debut VERY young idols 😁 remember the freshly debuted girl group named "young posse"? Yeah, i dont think i'll need to explain this further
I think this will lead to older ppl debuting and elongating the careers of current active groups if they decide to continue being together, no more group disbandments when they don't want to or companies putting groups in the dungeon/groups being practically abandoned for the shiny new group. I think it will also lead to more successful long term soloists whether they remain in their group or leave/they disband.
then they will enforce things like maintaining their weight and looks unless there are legit health issues, see how many adults will agree to a catch-22 where their bodies aren't even theirs to change or do what they want to it.
thank god. over 100 groups debut a year yet only a few get popular. if you were one of those who debuted in a group and didnt get any success thats like 2-4 years of training down the drain, its no wonder why so many quit and go to college
@@frvrrr7 what tf are you yapping about??? I just said that i dont believe they get the praise deserve i never said that “oh they’re talented so they should automatically be number 1” im just saying that the recognition they get is not enough
Omg kiss of life is not nugu. There are one of the most popular 5th gen groups and basically everyone knows them. I can make like 10 groups who are actually nugu and deserve recognition
That sounds like a win, kids have now a realistic expectation, and thise that go in are mentally prepared for what to expect. The industry should focus on quality over saturating tge market with quantity
It also has to do with parents. The more stories of failed idols there are, the more parents are less willing to allow their children to walk down that difficult path.
maybe if we also Stan underrated kpop groups… we wouldn’t need to worry that much. There’s over 100+ underrated kpop groups (example, POW, BDC, epex, bae173, onlyoneof, etc etc etc.)
it’s such an extremely grueling process for such a slim chance of success. and you have to sacrifice your formative years, in addition to your chances of studying successfully in school. with terrible odds and no stable backup plan, no wonder more people are choosing not to
Lets be honest, most kpop fans won't support a 24+ year old idol since they're considered too old. But that makes sense considering the ages of idol fans. When I first started getting into kpop I was 12, and I could care less about anyone over 19. If kpop agencies want to sign older people, they'll need to change the image of kpop itself so that there are more older fans.
@@jimams_jamz5518 you are right when you said some won't be interested. However many Kpop fans were interested in Black swan when they debuted and Fatou was 24/25 and the other members were older. I think it depends on the concept. If it's a more mature concept then Kpop fans won't mind. I am saying this because online I see a lot of people asking for older people to debut as well. I think that Kpop just needs more adults debuting so that there can be more diverse concepts/subject matter in songs. I don't mind minors debuting when they make teen crush/cute songs though because I think that there should be representation for teens in music. But there has to be laws in place for them to keep them safe.
Because 24 is too old. What kind of career can you have debuting a 24 year old? There's no point in a fast paced cut throat industry like K-Pop. That's why companies pick up kids as young as 12 and 13 to train. It's a YOUNGBLOOD industry. People are obsessed with youth and most K-Pop fans are in their teens or 20s
This actually makes me so happy. These kids will live happy, healthy, peaceful lives without being abused by the entertainment industry. I love my fav groups but ultimately I wish they had a much healthier environment. If it means they quit being idols then I’ll support them. I hope things continue to improve in the future 🩷
Personally speaking, I'm ok with this. Less groups debuting = less of my friends trying to put new groups in my face when I'm already set in stone with the select few I like.
I think this is a better thing for so many reasons but one aside from the obvious is the intense saturation of kpop. There's just too many groups for a majority to be successful and I feel like with less trainees and idols, you'll likely get more trained idols because their training is more focused and netizens can actually focus on several groups
I think a lot of them aspire to be influencers now, it’s a lot less effort and you have way more freedom. Good for them, the kpop industry is cruel to adults, let alone children.
One could hope that the agencies would start treating their trainees and idols better if less and less trainees start coming, but they probably just lower debut standard and hide it behind marketing and voice enhancement when mixing the songs in the studio.
Which is why kpop companies are holding more kpop auditions abroad more than ever. Though koreans are very naturalistic and would rather their groups to be mostly korean.
If that’s so, then I’m glad it’s happening and more people are becoming aware of the harsh and even inhumane conditions that kpop artists have to go through before and after debut as it’s now visible. Not only artists but the fans have to also realise that in most times it’s about a disfuctional industry that won’t take into account their artists wants and needs. They’re above all human and this constant pressure to look about perfect all the time seems not right to me and I hate that they’re pushing it.
Honestly, thank god! Can you imagine how many really very talented trainees never get to debut? And all because they didn’t fit the concept or they were too old or not pretty enough. Spending years of hard work and money just to not debut with no other steady carreer perspective, is scary!
Entertainment jobs are also necessary for society (whether idols or not) and I'm pretty sure this has more to do with the younger generation that would have dreamed of idol careers shifting to wanting to be youtubers and tiktokers😬😬😬 (and I heard someone say an additional possible reason is that before, ppl saw the idol career as the only way to get into music but now they have more opportunities with the growth of k-hip-hop and r&b industries, annnnddd ofc the birthrate but I feel that reason will kick in more by like 7th gen)
It's either doctor, lawyer, or engineer, pick one. Idol careers don't last that long, it's a time limit. Some former Kpop idols out there had ended up working at regular jobs.
@@a.a.6789Various genres are coming to Kpop, EDMs might be next. So far, this year is the beginning of 5th Gen till 2031. 6th Gen will be 2032 and then 7th Gen will be 2040, 7th Gen will be extremely diverse.
It has a lot to do with the fact that if you devote your life to a career like this, and fail in debuting, you have nothing to show for it. That experience doesn’t transfer over into the real world
Maybe some of them are thinking that training for a long time is useless as there r a lot of talented trainees who didn't get to debut... They can just participate in a survival show that allow kids who didn't get any training and if they r good looking the more chances to debut..less effort...😂
And even if they were fortunate to debut, they also have to worry abt mistreatment from management/"fans" and pry they last long enough w/o being disbanded within a year
I don't blame them! Many train for years, but never debut. For the ones who DO debut, they're signed to a slave contract with slim odds of enjoying decent success or money. For the ones who DO enjoy decent success and money, all it takes is one human error, and rabid netizens will scandalize that person and demand he or she be cancelled forever. It's too much risk and not enough reward to justify.
"Industry itself is very abusive" There you have it. These agencies caused this, they reap what they sow. Doesn’t have to be abusive, but they made it so.
I have never wanted to be a kpop idol. I stan a lot of groups and I became I'm a huge fan, but I don't like trainees and idols' lives. They are dolls of their company, they are constantly overworked...
@@frvrrr7 I disagree. You can respect and appreciate what someone does but that doesn’t mean that is the life for you. You have to be really passionate for that lifestyle in order to endure all of that torture they go through. And if the passion isn’t there, there’s no point in trying. But just because you don’t have a passion for DOING it doesn’t mean you can’t have a passion for the actual music when listening to it.
@frvrrr7 i appreciate their results. I'm proud of them. Now if you want to be a kpop stan you have to want to be an idol?? Stop it. Idols made their dreams come true....aren't you happy for them? Or it's just me being "hypocritical"????
It has always like this in every artistic field. There are short cuts to success, but they are full of pitfalls. Better I think to make it to success on your own two feet !
So true and maybe that’s why it’s very often that new kpop groups debuts but no one knows about them because either the song wasn’t good or just bad management and end up disbanding after being together in a short time :(
I wanted to become a K-pop idol in the future but I am from an European country that has no idols from. I have a lot of talent as I got a lot of music and dance lessons since I was a little kid but going to Korea is my biggest problem. Lately I debuted as a theatre actress in my country and I sing and act on stage. I am almost 14 years old so I think I am the perfect age to get the audition.
Kids nowadays go for different things such as becoming social media influencers, that’s a huge thing now and it’s not just in the K-pop industry but worldwide there are less children wanting to become artists and instead recurring to tiktok, UA-cam or Instagram to become famous and rich.
Idol job isn't easy, perhaps even one of the hardest job and the chance you will get successful is 50/50. Idol is at the lowest respected celebrity in Korean intertainment hierarchy. If they are dreaming to become idol, they have to start to keep their past clean from early days. In this modern days where internet is growing, just a little action despite wrong or right, if it's not fit with society standard or just simply trigger the internet netizen, they got criticized. I see kid these days only like to become youtuber or streamer. Kpop start to have more foreigner but less Korean idol.
What’s the point of auditioning when big companies dominate the industry and said companies prefer to debut kids from well of families. Unless you get to debut in the big 4, there’s a very slim chance of succeeding
Honestly it's good that they see that the kpop industry isn't as glamorous as it's often portrayed as. I hope if they want to become idols at least they will be over 18 and companies can stop debuting kids to easily manipulate them.
That's good. The idol industry is oversaturared. These kpop companies needs to focus on their groups & stop debuting new ones for the sake of more money.
Honestly, now either you have to be extremely beautiful or extremely talented to active a higher status (in my opinion). There were to many dozens on the industry in the past. There may be groups that aren't that talented and are popular now but I doubt that the members of the group will have longevity in the industry. Ps: I wasn't shading anyone, in fact, I think Le Sserafim hate train is overexagerated and people went overboard because they are from hybe
@@frvrrr7 actually no, I don't consider myself a fearnot but I listen to some of their songs and though I think they have to improve, imo they are talented and Yunjin have a distinct factor because she's a lyricist (if I'm not mistaken)
If i were the kids i’d just be a content creator cuz its easier that way to reach out to ppl. Compared to being a trainee where i’d waste precious time. Kids these days are getting wiser and im loving it 🤭🤭
i don’t see how this is a bad thing. tbh i think most people want to become idols not because they actually have a passion for music, but because it’s easy money. just look at the rates that these idols are getting paid, most are making hundreds to thousands of dollars in a SINGLE DAY as opposed to making that same amount every two weeks working a 9-5. but now that the world is witnessing how truly terrible idol life is and how poorly idols get treated by companies, media, and fans, i think a lot of people are realizing that being an idol really isn’t worth the self torture no matter how good the pay may be.
@@kiwiipeachii8980 i didn’t say the pay was good for everyone, i said it was good for most. its really all about the company idols debut in and the connections they have (and luck too i guess).
@@kiwiipeachii8980 no many idols get payed well. ofc they’re not going to be making like bts or blackpink type paychecks, but they’re still getting payed a decent amount of money. rookie idols these days are making wayyy more money than idols used to make back then.
All of these companies are terrible to these kids, no exception. But the kpop industry has always been like this, even worse in the past, so maybe parents are just becoming more cautious now
Hybe and Cube are companies.Every company has debuted minors and put them through same shi*.The amount of sh*t "fans" DO is beyond human so let's not forget about that one.
Bless these kids for having the wisdom and foresight to realised how toxic and abusive the industry is.
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Or their parents
Why are you saying that snsd, wondergirls, bts, blackpink, newjeans do not have wisdom just because they chose to be in kpop? Stop hating bro
I don't think it's that tbh I think it's mostly because of how over saturated the market is. These idols mostly come from privileged backgrounds and even then they're not guaranteed success.
this sounds like youre calling current idols and trainees DUMB FOR LACKING WISDOM at a young age like, yes the industry is bad, but these people had a dream. a lot of these idols wanted to be one because they liked singing, dancing, being in front of people etc. JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO THESE THINGS DOES MEAN THEY HAVE A LACK OF WISDOM
Oversaturated is an understatement, there are tons of groups we will never hear about before they disband
@@mramisuzuki6962 Its a problem in K-Pop as it is also a problem in the other career feilds that become flooded with ppl looking for jobs. the life spane of a group is geting shorter and shorter.
@@mramisuzuki6962low popularity = low success = ✨ low income ✨
@@mramisuzuki6962 most groups are unknown.. There are over 200+ groups in kpop. The only actually known and always looked at ones are the ones made by big/known companies or ones that have big idols.
@@mramisuzuki6962 the issue is what's the point of even spending YEARS being a trainee if your group doesn't even get attention once you debut? Being a kpop trainee is super difficult and rigorous so I can see why most people don't wanna bother.
Agreed. And if you are not with one of the top 7-8 companies, you might as well not debut at all.
The k-industry is harsh & abusive
Luckily the kids understand the difficulty!
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@@rachael5611amen🙏🏻
Like I wanted to become an idol but not really anymore you are gonna be overworked tired have to be on strict diets and training and you will get lots of hate for minor things we just wanna live freely
@@maayafajfer2922personally I think you've made the right decision
@@EMielléৎ yes exaclty you will barely have time to yourself and idols get little sleep due to being overworked sometimes they dont even sleep its crazy this will cause them to have alot of health issues when they are older cause my mom did say if you dont have enough sleep or you dont sleep well it can cause heart failure heart issues and plepilations when you are old and its not good you might even get a heart attack because your body is over exhausted im not 100% sure but i think due to too many strict diets as well and lack of sleep it might cause infertility because your body will be too tired to have kids could be wrong though but yeah they also collapse and faint on stage alot due to these issues the industry has to change this is ridiculous nothing is cool and fun anymore when you are demaging your health badly its not fun trust me although i do consider becoming a manager for a kpop group i will think through though
Honestly with the amount of Downsides of the kpop industry such as overworking, strict dieting, harsh beauty standards and not being able to have a dating life, it's understandable that people will realize that it's toxic and not healthy. I'm glad kids are not wanting to go in the industry, as it's more healthier for them to have a childhood than giving it away just for fame and Money. Memories last a lifetime while fame and money don't.
This.
++ a lot of groups end up nugu. they could become famous in a better way like making big differences in society with their education (this is not to say idols dont make a difference obviously, but)
@@grlsneverdie I agree, especially people may not want to join the industry if they aren’t in the big 3 + HYBE.
The ignorance lol. Korean kids don't have a childhood. If they aren't training to be an idol they're gonna be training to be something else or studying day in and day out! Greatness and wealth doesn't just come to you by sleeping or lounging around eating cheetos all day. If you wanna achieve GREATNESS someday you start em kids as young as possible. How'd you think South Korea's GDP grew so fast in the 90s-2010s? Cuz of how hard Koreans are being pushed by society and their parents
Harsh beauty standards are a thing because cmon...people are more likely to look at some girl who's like a 10/10 compared to some girl who's like a 6/10 and you already know K-Pop fans and K-netz are harsh as hell online! That 6/10 would not survive. The need to be beautiful goes beyond K-Pop but is interwoven within Korean society. You gotta submit pictures of yourself on job applications 😆 pretty privilege exists not just in Korea but even in the western world as well. You just don't need to submit a photo on job applications in America
these kids must be watching kpop survival shows and witnessed the most talented trainees get eliminated
Frfr the kpop industry is hella toxic
real like
FACTZZZZ those shows also show how they prefer beauty over talent 🤦♀️ like can a physical beauty, make an "artist," or someone with real natural talent who TRAINS and freaking SURVIVES become an artist? These shows have shown that real talent is not going to be on the spotlight anymore, but a bunch of pretty young kids are. Like a bunch of dolls. Being controlled and told what to do by greedy companies who are always, mostly men. This is so creepy. We have realised this in the worst way possible. We should have realised this when talent had a chance to debut, but we realised this when beauty had more chances to debut than talent. I want to hear someone who can sing live properly, not just recorded songs, or I could make my own voice, use software to change it, make it sound pleasant, and listen to it. There is a reason why I watch TALENTED people because I CAN'T sing and DON'T have the talent while they do. And when I see people who don't really do what they have to do because they have already made their debut, they have been voted to do so, but don't because they can't. Who wouldn't want to if they had the talent? They don't do it because they don't have the talent. It is real. Fans are trying so hard to deny that, why? Because those "artists" are kids, the same kids those fans voted to debut. But anyway, it is true that it's always beauty over talent when it comes to Kpop or entertainment industry in general. It's good people are realising, but what's not good is that young kids who are trying to be idols are suffering and are going to suffer in the future.
@@zahra2420 bro u spoke the truest thing ever!!
Still not over the fact that the pink team beat the blue team for the “Into the New World” performance for the first season of Produce 101. Eugh.
I’m glad kids are a lot more wiser nowadays
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Stop it@@rachael5611
IKR
i mean with skibidi toilet around
thank god minors are not auditioning
Here we go again with people caring about minors . 😂
Cause they’re too busy debuting- 😭😭
@@Human-eg7yf ?? isn't that a good thing
@@Human-eg7yfyou say that like caring about the safety and mental well being of children is a bad thing
@@_ksm0922it's virtue signalling bs for internet points, these people only care about themselves.
Kids are choosing the right thing👍🏻 Fame and spotlights aren’t the most important thing in life. Able to live your life, enjoy time with the ones you love and your friends, having a healthy body instead of fitting into crazy kbs ... are so much happier
Not every idol want fame or spotlight like ofc you want to be successful but a lot of idol debut bcs that what they want
Lmao
Being an idol is not a wrong thing...Performing is so amazing and kbs isnt exactly unhealthy, ppl choose what they want and it isnt wrong or right
A lot of older idols didn't feel comfortable with fame, nor did they seak it, that's a more recent gens thing.
In the older gens it was more often seen as a career path to get yourself and your family to a better financial situation and a career where you can make good money and opportunities for work if you're not very inclined for other areas, and ofc there were people that wanted to sing or perform and it was the most likely path to being successful and not struggling.
If you debuted you were kinda set up for success.
That's no longer the case, there's a lot of idols that struggling now.
@@kms2345 imagine defending the toxic industry just because popular groups benefited from it. If you think minor trainees being brainwahsed by companies and fans into thinking plastic surgery solves everything is a good thing and should be tolerated then u might want to rethink what u just said
Maybe if they didn’t see people older than 20 as “past their prime” and treated artists like human beings this wouldn’t be a problem.
KPop and Anime culture has an issue with pedophilia and people refuse to acknowledge it. Grown men are who they want to appeal to.
true, the window frame of age to debut is getting smaller these days. many companies are now debuting younger idols that are around 14-16 so if you just started training and don’t debut by that age, it gets more and more unlikely that you’ll even debut because by age 18-20, you’re “too old” now and your “career” is over. the success rate really is too low now
Wow these kids are smart. If I was a middle-scholer, I would do anything to become an idol. They can become famous in different way, without years of labor.
And without having someone dictate their lives.
And without hunger/starvation.
And without being overworked.
And without promoting unethical brands
I agree with you, but fame requires consistent hardwork for way more years in other fields you see....
For Those who crave for fame, kpop might be the shortest and most secure way....
With the amount of rude people treating idols like shit i expected this
Edit: not that person but 12k in 2 weeks is CRAZYYY bro
Be fr; that’s the least reason why people don’t want me o be idols
@@user-riahmespherethat’s one of the top reasons why, if you listened to the video they said kids don't wanna be idols because the industry is abusive. 💀
@@user-riahmespheresome people are very mentally weak. they want to become idols to be loved by many people but they also will never know when they will start to become hated. being an idol would be a soul sucking job for many people
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Social media may play a major role into this. Where I live, most young people want to be influencers. Compared to idols, its half the effort, double the resources
And you are in control of your finances, your exposure, and keep all the profits. Unless there are similarly exploitative agencies churning out influencers, I think I've heard of that in china, as well as livestreamer/v-tuber agencies that have similar levels of control to kpop labels.
Influencers are losing influence in the West. No one has money to buy anything. Good luck with that.
yess, same here, it's become a common thing
thats actually good, alot of them give up their education and dont end up succeeding as idols. many former idols said they regret it due to the industry and how much they struggle with money unless u reach celebrity status
Who gives a damn about education?
@@uschwitz education is incredibly important. Look at how people lived back in the day because they weren't educated. A nation that isn't educated is a nation easily manipulated by its government.
Give up their education? Aren't they supposed to still go to school on top of everything else? Because that's what I saw in a documentary. A lot of idols even have the opportunity to complete a university degree (maybe it's up to the label?). I don't know much about other groups but BTS members all are completing or have completed their masters for example.
@@kuroro9949 some parents invest all their money into their kid hoping they'd make it and cannot invest in schooling.
@@kuroro9949 It depends. It used to happen quite a lot that trainees or idols dropped out of school to dedicate their time to being an idol - BUT since 2023, there has been a law that REQUIRES underage trainees and idols to continue attending school. The company isn't allowed to have them drop out... And considering the fact that they had to make a law about this at all, I think it's easy to imagine just how frequently that kind of thing happened.
If companies would stop abusing their idols, maybe more people would wanna become K-pop idols.
If they do that then i think fans are going to attack the idols by saying they lack this and that so it's society's problem tbh
If people weren't fans of K Pop then there would be no industry to abuse the idols. Not so innocent yourself are you
I hope it keeps decresing to the point the whole industry change
Idols need a union or genuine scarcity so they have bargaining power against the insanely exploitative wages (or lack thereof), working hours, demands, etc
I hope is decreases to a point it stops.
Nah, bet the companies will just resort to getting foreign trainees instead. 😂 You can already see that happening NOW lmao
Yesss omg
@@alexia3552They really do, this is one of the many problems SK have 😔
It's a ridiculously oversaturated market and a correction is long overdue.
I think K-pop has already reached its peak
Let's not forget, kids see how these idols are treated in the media and want no parts. It no longer makes sense to sign up to get abused by your company then bullied by the public
Maybe that’ll teach agencies to treat their trainees better.
Even better, maybe it means the idol industry and showbiz will no longer exist
With how netizens and “fans” are towards idols, yeah no sh*t less people are auditioning. I can’t imagine what these idols go through daily with the constant hate and backlash they get for the smallest things from complete strangers. I just feel so bad for them
To be honest school students were sacrificing their whole childhood and time to enjoy childhood with friends. And even those sacrifices won't guarantee a fixed result. There were many trainees before who trained for years but the company didn't choose them to join any group. Many are doing part time jobs after leaving their company.
as they should. I’m glad kids are starting to look ahead into different paths instead of setting straight for an idol life just bc they see lots of groups going famous. they’re choosing the right path by looking into different careers instead, especially since they actually get to live their life instead of it being controlled by a company and their fans
Hopefully this encourages ent. companies to debut more grown adults in their 20s and 30s
Teen kids dont want to see middle aged people sing.
@@susiex6669 people in their 30s arent middle aged tf 😭
@@susiex6669 Teen kids listen to Taylor Swift, Cardi B, Dua Lipa, Sabrina Carpenter, etc. All of them grown woman, old k-pop used to be like that too.
@@Lucid.24 The likes of Cardi B arent appropriate for teen kids and no teen is going to listen to a thirty year old fan. Furthermore, Swifties started listening to Taylor WHEN SHE WAS A TEEN.
@@susiex6669 since when is someone in his 20s or thirties considered middle aged? Also when i was a teen i listened to 0 teen singers . All of the artists i listened to were bands and the age would go from 20s to 60s. All of the people i knew were also like that , whatever genre of music they listened to, the artists were adults not teenagers
Entertainment industry is too harsh and everyone knows how much difficulties idols go through.
Well, maybe cuz people who want to be idols are seen as "too old" by kpop companies. There are for sure many who still want to be idols but companies nowadays just want the freaking kids.
If you're 18 or 19 and already really TALENTED go for it 😂
@@tubby_1278 yeah😂 or maybe fit the beauty standard perfectly😂😂
@@tubby_1278most companies the limit is 16 tho
@@narayastarks yeah, some company's limited age is 16, some is 18. Some company doesn't have limited age on their audition site, but if you are 18 or more they just want people who are already talented or have very good visual that fit the k-beauty standard✌️😔 they make it look like people at 20s to 30s are old people and would be death at 40s or something💀.
C'mon guys we know why some companies want to debut VERY young idols 😁 remember the freshly debuted girl group named "young posse"? Yeah, i dont think i'll need to explain this further
I think this will lead to older ppl debuting and elongating the careers of current active groups if they decide to continue being together, no more group disbandments when they don't want to or companies putting groups in the dungeon/groups being practically abandoned for the shiny new group. I think it will also lead to more successful long term soloists whether they remain in their group or leave/they disband.
im not surprised by this, they really took "i ain't taking your shit'' to another level
Oh no they're gonna have to debut adults 😱
Lmao
If they're ready by 18 then yeah
then they will enforce things like maintaining their weight and looks unless there are legit health issues, see how many adults will agree to a catch-22 where their bodies aren't even theirs to change or do what they want to it.
thank god. over 100 groups debut a year yet only a few get popular. if you were one of those who debuted in a group and didnt get any success thats like 2-4 years of training down the drain, its no wonder why so many quit and go to college
Also some extremely talented groups like KISS OF LIFE don’t get the recognition they deserve so they’re not wasting their time and thats good
Exactly…kiss of life deserves more recognition
@@K3aylee ikrrrr stan da queensss
They are getting recognition. They just debuted, you already want them to be a global group from day 1 🙄
@@frvrrr7 what tf are you yapping about??? I just said that i dont believe they get the praise deserve i never said that “oh they’re talented so they should automatically be number 1” im just saying that the recognition they get is not enough
Omg kiss of life is not nugu. There are one of the most popular 5th gen groups and basically everyone knows them. I can make like 10 groups who are actually nugu and deserve recognition
That sounds like a win, kids have now a realistic expectation, and thise that go in are mentally prepared for what to expect. The industry should focus on quality over saturating tge market with quantity
It also has to do with parents. The more stories of failed idols there are, the more parents are less willing to allow their children to walk down that difficult path.
With the reality that theres’s a 99% chance you will make more money flipping burgers than being an Idol after four years, this doesn’t surprise me.
Why is this alarming??? This is good!!
maybe if we also Stan underrated kpop groups… we wouldn’t need to worry that much. There’s over 100+ underrated kpop groups (example, POW, BDC, epex, bae173, onlyoneof, etc etc etc.)
It’s still so criminal how underrated ooo is til this day…
@@Balincia20 for real!! Stan pow and bdc for me, bdc members sound exactly like txt members, and pow songs are literally fire!!
@@SeungberryOG oooooo I'll check both groups out!
@@Balincia20 thanks ❤️❤️🫶🏻
Finally someone talking about POW 😭😭😭😭
Tbh I'm kinda happy 😂
Lol you'd rather have no K-Pop
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@@tubby_1278 I think we have enough idols for now.
@@rachael5611 bro I'm not christian💀
Me too 😂
it’s such an extremely grueling process for such a slim chance of success. and you have to sacrifice your formative years, in addition to your chances of studying successfully in school. with terrible odds and no stable backup plan, no wonder more people are choosing not to
Everyone likes to talk about how harsh the industry is and completely ignore how toxic the fans can be.
I don't understand, there are many trained kpop idols who are 24+ that are looking for companies to sign them, why don't they just debut them?
Exactly!
Lets be honest, most kpop fans won't support a 24+ year old idol since they're considered too old. But that makes sense considering the ages of idol fans. When I first started getting into kpop I was 12, and I could care less about anyone over 19. If kpop agencies want to sign older people, they'll need to change the image of kpop itself so that there are more older fans.
@@jimams_jamz5518 you are right when you said some won't be interested. However many Kpop fans were interested in Black swan when they debuted and Fatou was 24/25 and the other members were older. I think it depends on the concept. If it's a more mature concept then Kpop fans won't mind. I am saying this because online I see a lot of people asking for older people to debut as well. I think that Kpop just needs more adults debuting so that there can be more diverse concepts/subject matter in songs. I don't mind minors debuting when they make teen crush/cute songs though because I think that there should be representation for teens in music. But there has to be laws in place for them to keep them safe.
@@jimams_jamz5518 But there are 12 year olds that watch skz and bts contents that like it and their music as well and they're "old"
Because 24 is too old. What kind of career can you have debuting a 24 year old? There's no point in a fast paced cut throat industry like K-Pop. That's why companies pick up kids as young as 12 and 13 to train. It's a YOUNGBLOOD industry. People are obsessed with youth and most K-Pop fans are in their teens or 20s
This actually makes me so happy. These kids will live happy, healthy, peaceful lives without being abused by the entertainment industry. I love my fav groups but ultimately I wish they had a much healthier environment. If it means they quit being idols then I’ll support them. I hope things continue to improve in the future 🩷
Personally speaking, I'm ok with this. Less groups debuting = less of my friends trying to put new groups in my face when I'm already set in stone with the select few I like.
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I kind of expected this. Like the kpop industry is just not a good one. like... 💀💀
As a K-pop fan I am not the least bit surprised by this news and feel relief at the decline of the industry in many ways 😅
We cheered! The industry is so toxic
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@@rachael5611 amen !
I think this is a better thing for so many reasons but one aside from the obvious is the intense saturation of kpop. There's just too many groups for a majority to be successful and I feel like with less trainees and idols, you'll likely get more trained idols because their training is more focused and netizens can actually focus on several groups
I think a lot of them aspire to be influencers now, it’s a lot less effort and you have way more freedom. Good for them, the kpop industry is cruel to adults, let alone children.
One could hope that the agencies would start treating their trainees and idols better if less and less trainees start coming, but they probably just lower debut standard and hide it behind marketing and voice enhancement when mixing the songs in the studio.
They can actually enjoy their lives now
And this is why we’re seeing more and more foreigners debut 🤷♀️
Which is why kpop companies are holding more kpop auditions abroad more than ever. Though koreans are very naturalistic and would rather their groups to be mostly korean.
@@havensohn3821 That's probably why we're seeing a rise in foreign Kpop idols and global groups.
If that’s so, then I’m glad it’s happening and more people are becoming aware of the harsh and even inhumane conditions that kpop artists have to go through before and after debut as it’s now visible. Not only artists but the fans have to also realise that in most times it’s about a disfuctional industry that won’t take into account their artists wants and needs. They’re above all human and this constant pressure to look about perfect all the time seems not right to me and I hate that they’re pushing it.
Honestly, thank god! Can you imagine how many really very talented trainees never get to debut? And all because they didn’t fit the concept or they were too old or not pretty enough. Spending years of hard work and money just to not debut with no other steady carreer perspective, is scary!
it’s not even bad considering not even 100 trainees have even debut by those same companies
It's a good thing because:
(1) The industry can ruin lives.
(2) Being an idol is not meant for everyone.
*sighs in relief*
You know I rather struggle for my final exam paper than becoming idols😭
It's a good thing if many of these young people choose to have real jobs...like being doctors and teachers.
Entertainment jobs are also necessary for society (whether idols or not) and I'm pretty sure this has more to do with the younger generation that would have dreamed of idol careers shifting to wanting to be youtubers and tiktokers😬😬😬 (and I heard someone say an additional possible reason is that before, ppl saw the idol career as the only way to get into music but now they have more opportunities with the growth of k-hip-hop and r&b industries, annnnddd ofc the birthrate but I feel that reason will kick in more by like 7th gen)
Real jobs? Lol they're doing what they love so who tf cares. You sound pressed 😂
It's either doctor, lawyer, or engineer, pick one. Idol careers don't last that long, it's a time limit. Some former Kpop idols out there had ended up working at regular jobs.
@@a.a.6789Various genres are coming to Kpop, EDMs might be next. So far, this year is the beginning of 5th Gen till 2031. 6th Gen will be 2032 and then 7th Gen will be 2040, 7th Gen will be extremely diverse.
@@tubby_1278Doctor, Lawyer, or Engineer? Pick one. That's how families want their kids to be.
Good to hear. I can't imagine how much harm the industry does to idols mental health
It has a lot to do with the fact that if you devote your life to a career like this, and fail in debuting, you have nothing to show for it. That experience doesn’t transfer over into the real world
honestly this is a good thing because kids will actually have a childhood and maybe companies will finally realise how to treat idols right !!
i hope that since there will be a shortage, those who are already trainees can debut sooner (since most of them never debut)
People are becoming more self aware is never a bad thing
Maybe some of them are thinking that training for a long time is useless as there r a lot of talented trainees who didn't get to debut... They can just participate in a survival show that allow kids who didn't get any training and if they r good looking the more chances to debut..less effort...😂
Not to mention the horrfic number of "fans" bullying idol s online.
They choosed happiness over depression
I am proud of those kids. Fulfilling life and your aims comes first instead of a whole a** drama
With how strict it is when it comes to dieting, dating, etc. I am not surprised.
Maybe they'll resort to recruiting more adults
It's a good thing. I hope now industry will debut and focus on adult to take
And even if they were fortunate to debut, they also have to worry abt mistreatment from management/"fans" and pry they last long enough w/o being disbanded within a year
I don't blame them! Many train for years, but never debut. For the ones who DO debut, they're signed to a slave contract with slim odds of enjoying decent success or money. For the ones who DO enjoy decent success and money, all it takes is one human error, and rabid netizens will scandalize that person and demand he or she be cancelled forever. It's too much risk and not enough reward to justify.
I expected this but I still wanna be a idol I can handle hate but I know it’s tough and that’s why I strive to to become one.
I wouldn’t want to be an idol either, people are crazy
Honestly good for them. Its great that they are thinking ahead of their future.
this is great! more kids will aspire to choose jobs that will make them happy without any borderline illegal child labour
"Industry itself is very abusive"
There you have it. These agencies caused this, they reap what they sow. Doesn’t have to be abusive, but they made it so.
This is kinda a good thing
Thank goodness people are gaining wisdom.
I have never wanted to be a kpop idol. I stan a lot of groups and I became I'm a huge fan, but I don't like trainees and idols' lives. They are dolls of their company, they are constantly overworked...
That's very hypocritical of you. You want to enjoy fruit of their hardships and struggles but don't want to experience it yourself. Wow 🙄
@@frvrrr7 I disagree. You can respect and appreciate what someone does but that doesn’t mean that is the life for you. You have to be really passionate for that lifestyle in order to endure all of that torture they go through. And if the passion isn’t there, there’s no point in trying. But just because you don’t have a passion for DOING it doesn’t mean you can’t have a passion for the actual music when listening to it.
@@frvrrr7 next time don't go to the doctor for help because you yourself didn't go through all that training and academic pressure like them
@nikkisongx You are right. I like music and idols funny moments, but I don't care about being part of them.
@frvrrr7 i appreciate their results. I'm proud of them. Now if you want to be a kpop stan you have to want to be an idol?? Stop it. Idols made their dreams come true....aren't you happy for them? Or it's just me being "hypocritical"????
It has always like this in every artistic field. There are short cuts to success, but they are full of pitfalls. Better I think to make it to success on your own two feet !
Look at the economic state of THE WORLD I am sure even parents are telling their kids that there is no room for risk anymore.
So true and maybe that’s why it’s very often that new kpop groups debuts but no one knows about them because either the song wasn’t good or just bad management and end up disbanding after being together in a short time :(
Good, now we can focus on the existing artists.
To be honest this is a good thing. We dont need more idols, we need more young people in professional jobs.
I wanted to become a K-pop idol in the future but I am from an European country that has no idols from. I have a lot of talent as I got a lot of music and dance lessons since I was a little kid but going to Korea is my biggest problem. Lately I debuted as a theatre actress in my country and I sing and act on stage. I am almost 14 years old so I think I am the perfect age to get the audition.
Kids nowadays go for different things such as becoming social media influencers, that’s a huge thing now and it’s not just in the K-pop industry but worldwide there are less children wanting to become artists and instead recurring to tiktok, UA-cam or Instagram to become famous and rich.
Idol job isn't easy, perhaps even one of the hardest job and the chance you will get successful is 50/50. Idol is at the lowest respected celebrity in Korean intertainment hierarchy. If they are dreaming to become idol, they have to start to keep their past clean from early days. In this modern days where internet is growing, just a little action despite wrong or right, if it's not fit with society standard or just simply trigger the internet netizen, they got criticized. I see kid these days only like to become youtuber or streamer. Kpop start to have more foreigner but less Korean idol.
Honestly I see this as a good thing
What’s the point of auditioning when big companies dominate the industry and said companies prefer to debut kids from well of families. Unless you get to debut in the big 4, there’s a very slim chance of succeeding
It’s unsustainable
Especially when you know you’re not going to be paid enough
Phariana Grande with her high ponytail 🙂
Honestly it's good that they see that the kpop industry isn't as glamorous as it's often portrayed as. I hope if they want to become idols at least they will be over 18 and companies can stop debuting kids to easily manipulate them.
That's good. The idol industry is oversaturared. These kpop companies needs to focus on their groups & stop debuting new ones for the sake of more money.
There will NEVER be a shortage of idol trainees. Never.
Honestly, now either you have to be extremely beautiful or extremely talented to active a higher status (in my opinion). There were to many dozens on the industry in the past. There may be groups that aren't that talented and are popular now but I doubt that the members of the group will have longevity in the industry.
Ps: I wasn't shading anyone, in fact, I think Le Sserafim hate train is overexagerated and people went overboard because they are from hybe
shade to who
Why are mad about that?
Umm are you trying to shade Yunjin and Sakura ?
@@frvrrr7 actually no, I don't consider myself a fearnot but I listen to some of their songs and though I think they have to improve, imo they are talented and Yunjin have a distinct factor because she's a lyricist (if I'm not mistaken)
If i were the kids i’d just be a content creator cuz its easier that way to reach out to ppl. Compared to being a trainee where i’d waste precious time. Kids these days are getting wiser and im loving it 🤭🤭
i don’t see how this is a bad thing. tbh i think most people want to become idols not because they actually have a passion for music, but because it’s easy money. just look at the rates that these idols are getting paid, most are making hundreds to thousands of dollars in a SINGLE DAY as opposed to making that same amount every two weeks working a 9-5. but now that the world is witnessing how truly terrible idol life is and how poorly idols get treated by companies, media, and fans, i think a lot of people are realizing that being an idol really isn’t worth the self torture no matter how good the pay may be.
The pay is not good at all. Most idols don’t get a single dollar their entire career or leave with debt. Just look at loons for example
@@kiwiipeachii8980 i didn’t say the pay was good for everyone, i said it was good for most. its really all about the company idols debut in and the connections they have (and luck too i guess).
@@mani_2_good it’s not good for most either. It’s good for the top 1%
@@kiwiipeachii8980 no many idols get payed well. ofc they’re not going to be making like bts or blackpink type paychecks, but they’re still getting payed a decent amount of money. rookie idols these days are making wayyy more money than idols used to make back then.
@@mani_2_good Again, youre only looking at the top 1%. There are so many groups that are mid tier to nugu in popularity that don't get paid at all
good. people always treat young idols really weird they deserve to have their childhood
This is a good thing, companies may finally focus on growing the groups they already have instead of debuting another one as soon as things get shaky
I thought of hype and cube the first thing why the industry is declining
Does it matter which company, no child should ever debut at a young age; they should all focus on school activities
The company has nothing to do with it, because if the # of trainees under HYBE and Cube is dropping they'll just go to another company.
All of these companies are terrible to these kids, no exception. But the kpop industry has always been like this, even worse in the past, so maybe parents are just becoming more cautious now
Hybe and Cube are companies.Every company has debuted minors and put them through same shi*.The amount of sh*t "fans" DO is beyond human so let's not forget about that one.
@@gowrisankarimr4284 I agree with you a 100 percent