As well trained as Beethoven was, the fact that he wrote Ode to Joy when he was completely deaf is not only extraordinary, it’s one of the great achievements in all of music.
Beethoven is my hero not because he was perfect, on the contrary, he had many personality flaws, many because of his deafness, but despite his defects, he was able to overcome them and create music of immense beauty that reaches the soul
Wellintons victory was not intended to be a serious piece, it was actually intended for a machine his friend built that could theoretically play orchestral music but it didn't work so beethoven rearranged.
If you like Beethoven 7, you should absolutely watch Uwe Scholz's ballet set to it. Just search UA-cam and you'll be able to find it. I'm not much of a ballet guy myself, but that particular one is the best symphonic ballet I've ever seen-every single move makes sense and expresses the music wonderfully, and if you love the music, I'm sure it can help revitalize the listening experience!
Beethovens 9 th is considered by many people the greatest music ever...but most people forget to mention that he was inspiriered life long by Schillers.. Ode to Joy... compare with rule Britannia ( more or less the same period)
This is just superb, I've been looking for "famous female pianists of the 21st century" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Ever heard of - Poneyton Introductory Preeminence - (should be on google have a look ) ? It is a smashing one of a kind product for discovering how to master the piano without the headache. Ive heard some super things about it and my co-worker got amazing success with it.
I appreciate the hell out of this video. Humanise Classical Composers 2k17! A really great biography that puts a special emphasis on deconstructing the myth around Beethoven that his first "biographer", Anton Schindler, played a HUGE role in establishing, is Jan Caeyer's "Beethoven: Der einsame Revolutionär" ("Beethoven: The Solitary Revolutionary). As far as I'm aware, it has so far only been translated from the original Dutch version to German, and it's around 700 pages long, but man is it worth it.
Been watching Fizzylimon since 2010, and TLG and Dear Johnson and Johnson since their inceptions. I'm so glad you're able to pursue UA-cam and your researching dreams. Best wishes!
I think had Schubert lived he would have taken up the mantle. The music he did compose is incredible and he was still getting warmed up when he died at only 31.
Thanks for coming, and I'm sorry for the concern! I was getting my master's degree, which included teaching responsibilities and a part-time job, which REALLY hampered video production. Now I'm onto my PhD and still have some teaching responsibilities, but no part-time job, so I can use the extra time from not-working to make videos!
Aristocrats loved Beethoven and he had a ton of them as patrons. If anything he was a tool for them to show their distinguished taste above percieved middle-class blandness.
haha that's why I said "one of the*" But yes, Holst is another great one! He was actually in a similar position as the Germans who followed Beethoven, but for England, whose last "great man" before around 1900 was Henry Purcell... wwaaaayyyyyyyyyy before Beethoven
I love, love, love Beethoven. There's hardly any Beethoven I don't like. Even the music of his that I sometimes say I don't like, such as Symphony no. 1 in C, it's not that I don't like the music itself, it's just not what I expect out of Beethoven. I tend to think of Beethoven as a composer who's dramatic to the core, like even the lighter pieces have drama, just not as much as the big, heavy works. Be it sudden piano/forte shifts, parallel key shifts, diminished seventh chords, textural shifts of like single melody line to full chords, or sudden and distant modulations in the space of a single chord or even a single note, I almost always hear drama in Beethoven's works, be they as short and light as Fur Elise or as grand and heavy as the Ninth Symphony. Only pieces of his that I've heard that tend to shy away from this are maybe some of his dances, like the 12 German Dances WoO 13. So to hear so much of a lack of drama in Symphony no. 1 to the point where I don't hear C minor at all until the Minuet that is really a Scherzo in all but name and it doesn't really have that "Beethoven" sound until the Finale, that was surprising to me and not at all what I expected. Even taking into account that it's early Beethoven, it still wasn't what I was expecting, as there's plenty of early Beethoven before that that can easily be called Romantic style because of the drama and everything **ahem, Pathetique.** Even adding in the C major criterion, there's still more dramatic early C major Beethoven **ahem Piano Sonata no. 3.** And believe it or not, as much as I love Beethoven now, to the point that there are days when I listen to Beethoven and literally nothing else, it wasn't always this way. As a child, I didn't really care for Beethoven at all. Like I'd listen to the Fifth Symphony, but I wouldn't really enjoy it like I would Mozart's Symphony no. 40. I started being able to appreciate Beethoven's craftsmanship at age 12 as I transcribed a bunch of classical music including Das Ruinen von Athen and the Fifth Symphony note by note, instrument by instrument, into MuseScore. However, even though my feeling for Beethoven was changing, I still didn't really enjoy Beethoven. That all changed when I was a teenager. As a teenager, I started feeling that even the dramatic Mozart of Symphony no. 40 wasn't enough, I wanted more. This is when I developed a significant bias towards minor keys. I would improvise in minor keys a lot on the piano, more than the Bb major I improvised in a lot before then. And I didn't know it at the time, but C minor was about to become my favorite dramatic key. One day, I searched "C minor Piano Concerto" on UA-cam, found Beethoven at the very top, and listened. I was blown away. It was so dramatic, way beyond anything I heard in Mozart to that point(this was before I knew Mozart even wrote anything in C minor(like a whole piece in C minor, not just a movement in C minor)) This made me think "Oh yes! That piece was really dramatic, did Beethoven write anything else really dramatic like that?" and I soon found myself listening to both the Pathetique Sonata and Appassionata Sonata like within days of the concerto and each other. My stance on the Fifth Symphony completely changed. It went from being one of my least favorite symphonies, even below Haydn's "Surprise" Symphony, to being my absolute favorite symphony. While Mozart I still held up high in my rankings and still do, with him being my second favorite composer, Beethoven shot right up to the top. And to this day, I'm still discovering new pieces by him, like it wasn't until a couple weeks ago that I heard the Coriolan Overture for the first time, like in full. Yes, I know I just wrote an essay's worth on my experience with Beethoven, but you know, it's one of those things where I feel like I can't be concise with it as everything's important, you know.
I'm no expert on music history, and people before Beethoven have used motifs, but wasn't that one of his biggest things? Like you could go on all day about random things like Beethoven's use of trombones or sackbuts in his 5th symphony but that seems like a minor detail jut like his deafness is to the motif and the development of them. At least how I see it, motifs are Beethoven thing like leitmotifs are Wagner's, probably the most important aspect for furthering music.
When it comes to classical music, I'm a filthy casual because I love Beethoven, but I'm also a hipster because my favourite piece of his is the great fugue.
Listen, as much as I am frustrated by the Beethoven Myth, I cannot shake how much of his music I love. For me it's his fourth piano concerto, too, which is one of the biggest pieces from one of the most important concerts fueling the Beethoven Myth. But instead of being cool and detached and distancing myself from things that I enjoy, I accept it, contradictions and all :)
@@gp2633 I said it was the first major, not the first symphony. The Symphony in Eb by Joachim Nicholas Eggert, and Michael Haydn had used it first. But, Beethoven is usually credited with introducing it into the mainstream.
I'll see what I can do, because what I know about it is certainly fascinating! Baroque music is a particular weak point of mine, so I may have to find a friend to help out 😁
The Listener's Guide Cool. Despite being a Bach fan I've always felt like the traditional "Genius who was ignored in his time but was later discovered to be the greatest composer of all time" was a bit overstated.
I always Beehoven was famous because he was an all-time master, but now it turns out that he was just the product of some lucky alignment of sociological variables, like Justin Bieber.
The untold story of Beethoven is that, just like Mozart, he was sponsored by members of the aristocracy who happened to members of the fraternities. In their day music, art and philosophy were dominated by the French, Italians and Bohemians. It would be the influence of French philosophy, especially by Voltaire and Rosseau, that led to the French Revolution and Vienna's need to create the image of a German artistic genius in order to preserve the aristocracy. Mozart and Beethoven became the face of it. Mozart was a private composer, while Beethoven became a champion of revolution. However, Beethoven had bad handwriting and was weak at orchestration. Yes, he wrote amazing masterpieces but these often needed proofreading and correction. It was Ferdinand Ries (who studied with Beethoven) who not only became a close friend, but his secretsry. Preparing Ludwig's works for publication and negotiating contracts on his behalf. This is why Ries and Beethoven share a similar style of composition. But it was Ries' father, along with Salieri, which gave the young Beethoven lessons in music. Much of Beethoven's output was met with a cool reception. The second and third symphonies were heavily scrutinized by critics. And the Eroica was not dedicated to Napolean. It was actually written in homage to the composer Cartelierri. It was Cartelierri who helped launch Beethoven's career.
careful about knocking LVB mister, you'll offend many. and about these nobody composers? who cares about them? he is the supreme iconic figure of western music
To be honest, sorry to say but first I felt it music was for tom and jerry until I watched this video. Sorry to music lovers but my ears are not tuned enough for this music.
Because his music was unique and influential, way ahead of it's time, Beethoven is often considered to be the first ever Romantic composer.
As well trained as Beethoven was, the fact that he wrote Ode to Joy when he was completely deaf is not only extraordinary, it’s one of the great achievements in all of music.
Beethoven is my hero not because he was perfect, on the contrary, he had many personality flaws, many because of his deafness, but despite his defects, he was able to overcome them and create music of immense beauty that reaches the soul
Very well typed. 👏
Wellintons victory was not intended to be a serious piece, it was actually intended for a machine his friend built that could theoretically play orchestral music but it didn't work so beethoven rearranged.
Beethoven 7 is gorgeous👌🏻
If you like Beethoven 7, you should absolutely watch Uwe Scholz's ballet set to it. Just search UA-cam and you'll be able to find it. I'm not much of a ballet guy myself, but that particular one is the best symphonic ballet I've ever seen-every single move makes sense and expresses the music wonderfully, and if you love the music, I'm sure it can help revitalize the listening experience!
thank you!
thanks man. love from Bangladesh ❤️
what a great video! actually, i love Wellington's Victory. greetings from Brazil!
Beethovens 9 th is considered by many people the greatest music ever...but most people forget to mention that he
was inspiriered life long by Schillers..
Ode to Joy... compare with rule Britannia ( more or less the same period)
I like your channel...but Beethoven is THE Best, No question about it,!!!
This is just superb, I've been looking for "famous female pianists of the 21st century" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Ever heard of - Poneyton Introductory Preeminence - (should be on google have a look ) ? It is a smashing one of a kind product for discovering how to master the piano without the headache. Ive heard some super things about it and my co-worker got amazing success with it.
Amen!!
@@trustrus0382 Mozart
Bach
I appreciate the hell out of this video. Humanise Classical Composers 2k17!
A really great biography that puts a special emphasis on deconstructing the myth around Beethoven that his first "biographer", Anton Schindler, played a HUGE role in establishing, is Jan Caeyer's "Beethoven: Der einsame Revolutionär" ("Beethoven: The Solitary Revolutionary). As far as I'm aware, it has so far only been translated from the original Dutch version to German, and it's around 700 pages long, but man is it worth it.
Been watching Fizzylimon since 2010, and TLG and Dear Johnson and Johnson since their inceptions. I'm so glad you're able to pursue UA-cam and your researching dreams. Best wishes!
omg you're an OG! Thanks for sticking around
He's famous because he wrote such powerful, passionate and beautiful music that appeals to so many people.
1:45 don’t forget Weber Schubert and Rossini as well
I think had Schubert lived he would have taken up the mantle. The music he did compose is incredible and he was still getting warmed up when he died at only 31.
i'm so glad you seem to be back - i found your channel only recently, and for a while thought it was no more.
Thanks for coming, and I'm sorry for the concern! I was getting my master's degree, which included teaching responsibilities and a part-time job, which REALLY hampered video production. Now I'm onto my PhD and still have some teaching responsibilities, but no part-time job, so I can use the extra time from not-working to make videos!
Hey Steve! Great video. Haven't watched for a while, but I'm thought about you from time to time. I hope life is treating you well.
Aristocrats loved Beethoven and he had a ton of them as patrons. If anything he was a tool for them to show their distinguished taste above percieved middle-class blandness.
The first composer that comes to mind is Gustav Holst tho'😂😂😂. I love that man's work ♡
haha that's why I said "one of the*"
But yes, Holst is another great one! He was actually in a similar position as the Germans who followed Beethoven, but for England, whose last "great man" before around 1900 was Henry Purcell... wwaaaayyyyyyyyyy before Beethoven
I love, love, love Beethoven. There's hardly any Beethoven I don't like. Even the music of his that I sometimes say I don't like, such as Symphony no. 1 in C, it's not that I don't like the music itself, it's just not what I expect out of Beethoven. I tend to think of Beethoven as a composer who's dramatic to the core, like even the lighter pieces have drama, just not as much as the big, heavy works.
Be it sudden piano/forte shifts, parallel key shifts, diminished seventh chords, textural shifts of like single melody line to full chords, or sudden and distant modulations in the space of a single chord or even a single note, I almost always hear drama in Beethoven's works, be they as short and light as Fur Elise or as grand and heavy as the Ninth Symphony. Only pieces of his that I've heard that tend to shy away from this are maybe some of his dances, like the 12 German Dances WoO 13.
So to hear so much of a lack of drama in Symphony no. 1 to the point where I don't hear C minor at all until the Minuet that is really a Scherzo in all but name and it doesn't really have that "Beethoven" sound until the Finale, that was surprising to me and not at all what I expected. Even taking into account that it's early Beethoven, it still wasn't what I was expecting, as there's plenty of early Beethoven before that that can easily be called Romantic style because of the drama and everything **ahem, Pathetique.** Even adding in the C major criterion, there's still more dramatic early C major Beethoven **ahem Piano Sonata no. 3.**
And believe it or not, as much as I love Beethoven now, to the point that there are days when I listen to Beethoven and literally nothing else, it wasn't always this way. As a child, I didn't really care for Beethoven at all. Like I'd listen to the Fifth Symphony, but I wouldn't really enjoy it like I would Mozart's Symphony no. 40. I started being able to appreciate Beethoven's craftsmanship at age 12 as I transcribed a bunch of classical music including Das Ruinen von Athen and the Fifth Symphony note by note, instrument by instrument, into MuseScore. However, even though my feeling for Beethoven was changing, I still didn't really enjoy Beethoven.
That all changed when I was a teenager. As a teenager, I started feeling that even the dramatic Mozart of Symphony no. 40 wasn't enough, I wanted more. This is when I developed a significant bias towards minor keys. I would improvise in minor keys a lot on the piano, more than the Bb major I improvised in a lot before then. And I didn't know it at the time, but C minor was about to become my favorite dramatic key. One day, I searched "C minor Piano Concerto" on UA-cam, found Beethoven at the very top, and listened. I was blown away. It was so dramatic, way beyond anything I heard in Mozart to that point(this was before I knew Mozart even wrote anything in C minor(like a whole piece in C minor, not just a movement in C minor))
This made me think "Oh yes! That piece was really dramatic, did Beethoven write anything else really dramatic like that?" and I soon found myself listening to both the Pathetique Sonata and Appassionata Sonata like within days of the concerto and each other. My stance on the Fifth Symphony completely changed. It went from being one of my least favorite symphonies, even below Haydn's "Surprise" Symphony, to being my absolute favorite symphony. While Mozart I still held up high in my rankings and still do, with him being my second favorite composer, Beethoven shot right up to the top. And to this day, I'm still discovering new pieces by him, like it wasn't until a couple weeks ago that I heard the Coriolan Overture for the first time, like in full.
Yes, I know I just wrote an essay's worth on my experience with Beethoven, but you know, it's one of those things where I feel like I can't be concise with it as everything's important, you know.
you scared me at 2:41 XD
hahaha sorry!
Lol i thought i was going deaf
this hurt my ears, please consider removing this from the video and future videos
I'm no expert on music history, and people before Beethoven have used motifs, but wasn't that one of his biggest things? Like you could go on all day about random things like Beethoven's use of trombones or sackbuts in his 5th symphony but that seems like a minor detail jut like his deafness is to the motif and the development of them. At least how I see it, motifs are Beethoven thing like leitmotifs are Wagner's, probably the most important aspect for furthering music.
4:09 When you confuse your pipes
Well said in a funny way!
thank you
Great video. Have you read "The End of Early Music"?
He was a rebel and didn’t fall into a specific category.
The first composer that comes to my mind is niccolo paganini, who I believe is underrated
When it comes to classical music, I'm a filthy casual because I love Beethoven, but I'm also a hipster because my favourite piece of his is the great fugue.
Listen, as much as I am frustrated by the Beethoven Myth, I cannot shake how much of his music I love. For me it's his fourth piano concerto, too, which is one of the biggest pieces from one of the most important concerts fueling the Beethoven Myth. But instead of being cool and detached and distancing myself from things that I enjoy, I accept it, contradictions and all :)
Did you know Beethoven's 5th was the first major symphony to use trombones?
@@gp2633 I said it was the first major, not the first symphony. The Symphony in Eb by Joachim Nicholas Eggert, and Michael Haydn had used it first. But, Beethoven is usually credited with introducing it into the mainstream.
Love those thumbnails, yo.
they were designed by the best! 😁
@@thelistenersguide did it change?
Learning from Haydn? Really?
As an alumnus of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, I hope you understand that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being HOKIE.
I'd love to see a video on Bach, I feel like even more so than Beethoven he's kinda the stereotypical god-tier composer.
I'll see what I can do, because what I know about it is certainly fascinating! Baroque music is a particular weak point of mine, so I may have to find a friend to help out 😁
The Listener's Guide Cool. Despite being a Bach fan I've always felt like the traditional "Genius who was ignored in his time but was later discovered to be the greatest composer of all time" was a bit overstated.
BECAUSE HE IS GOD!! TRULY!!!
of course d'agoult is the only one with her face hidden and on the floor
Wait.. he was deaf ? I don't know anything about him but i felt through his music he has unstable mental situation like loneliness and anger
I love me
Perfect so B man are you black or white ?
deserves more views
why don't you play it in video then if you love it? oo
I always Beehoven was famous because he was an all-time master, but now it turns out that he was just the product of some lucky alignment of sociological variables, like Justin Bieber.
The untold story of Beethoven is that, just like Mozart, he was sponsored by members of the aristocracy who happened to members of the fraternities. In their day music, art and philosophy were dominated by the French, Italians and Bohemians. It would be the influence of French philosophy, especially by Voltaire and Rosseau, that led to the French Revolution and Vienna's need to create the image of a German artistic genius in order to preserve the aristocracy. Mozart and Beethoven became the face of it. Mozart was a private composer, while Beethoven became a champion of revolution. However, Beethoven had bad handwriting and was weak at orchestration. Yes, he wrote amazing masterpieces but these often needed proofreading and correction. It was Ferdinand Ries (who studied with Beethoven) who not only became a close friend, but his secretsry. Preparing Ludwig's works for publication and negotiating contracts on his behalf. This is why Ries and Beethoven share a similar style of composition. But it was Ries' father, along with Salieri, which gave the young Beethoven lessons in music. Much of Beethoven's output was met with a cool reception. The second and third symphonies were heavily scrutinized by critics. And the Eroica was not dedicated to Napolean. It was actually written in homage to the composer Cartelierri. It was Cartelierri who helped launch Beethoven's career.
Pipestud3 CorncobPuffer source?what book? I would like to know
careful about knocking LVB mister, you'll offend many. and about these nobody composers? who cares about them? he is the supreme iconic figure of western music
To be honest, sorry to say but first I felt it music was for tom and jerry until I watched this video. Sorry to music lovers but my ears are not tuned enough for this music.
This vlog was childish and uninformed. I am the fortieth person to thumbs down this vlog.
Beethoven was not really famous when he was alive. People thought his music was “too aggressive and too long”
Marc Davis sorry you’re right he was just really conflicted as a composer.
Marc Davis what I meant to say was he wasn’t really liked as much as he should have.
True, Beethoven was way ahead of his time, but he was definitely very famous when he was alive.
Did he ever get his picture on a bubblegum card? How can he be great if he never got his picture on a bubblegum card? Good grief.
Didn’t Beethoven preform for Mozart when Mozart was younger?
no
Dont do that thing with your hands at 6:25
You forgot Salieri also taught Beethoven. Salieri is so underrated
He only spent a little time with Salieri to study specifically Italian opera.