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You can get a 12 speed shimano mech/shifter, and still use your HG freehub. 12 sp deore works perfect with sunrace 12 sp 11-50 cassette. Granted, your smallest cog is slightly larger, but you'll still have way more range, than any 11 sp system without expanders. Box 9sp (possibly their other systems too, but not sure) goes on HG freehub - 11-50 range as well.
@@prusak26 Shimano SLX Derailleur and everything else XT. According to Geardrive: Shimano derailleurs require a longer B-tension screw, you will need to adjust your b-tension screw to allow your derailleur cage to correctly clear the largest sprockets. Mine came from the OEM like this.
HG for sure will still be a preferable choice imo. I can't see anyone uses that 9 or 10 teeth cog that often. Aftermarket cassettes for shimano, Sram NX and box do still use HG freehub body for a still wide range drivetrain
yeah, I need 51 teeth cog much, much more than the 10 teeth cog. So the Deore groupset with 11 gears, HG compatible cassette and 11-51 range is quite good, durable, not expensive and is probably the best solution.
Recently had to remove a stuck cassette from an HG freehub body that had those worn notches. If you take a two chain whips, you can use one as an anchor and the other to turn the stuck cogs counter-clockwise slightly in order to back them out from the worn notches. I've used regular ol' bike chains in a pinch if you don't have one or two chain whips. Just an alternate method if you don't like taking a hammer or mallet to things.
I went SramNo AXS on my latest build simply because of cassette cost. The cheapest GX cassette was $175 whereas I was able to find XT 10-51 for $102. I like the simplicity of the one piece design, but it does cost more.
I love the neutrality, no hint of "shimano better" or "sram better" just "they are both doing a really good job" which realistically should be case. Brand toxicity is annoying.
Does anyone know if a shimano XT hub using a HG hubody, can be upgraded to a MircoSpline body? ie Mircopline backward compatible with older hubs using HG bodys?
Been running 11 speed XT for a few years. Plenty of range and works good but I need a new crank now and they are all gone. Cheapest way to move to 12 speed is to buy new microspline drive shell for wheel I have. Going that route is still going to be $625,00. Really ticks me off I cant get 11 speed cranks anymore.
XD is no good. The smallest sprocket gets worn and now you have to throw away the whole cassette. With microspline you can just replace the smallest sprockets and ride forever. Larger sprockets never get too worn basically. In my experience.
@@michaelgunawan2319 true. Those are hard to find. I always keep spares. When I use them, it takes like a few months to get the new spares. I have to keep my own stock.
Whenever I replace my cassettes due to wear, they are worn at larger sprockets and never due to small sprocket issues. Even with Hg hard to find just the bigger spockets to be changed and not cost effective. I guess if I am biking flat areas, i would use small sprockets more.
You should use anti-seize on XD, because otherwise the cassette can seize on the freehub and it's very hard to remove it without damaging the cassette.
Yeah HG is used by both Shimano and SRAM, but only on certain models. For example the SX and NX drivetrains use HG freehub cassettes, as does SRAM Rival and I think Force as well on the Road/gravel side. I'm not sure what Shimano uses HG with these days, probably some 11 or 10 speed stuff.
XD drive is a superior technology at the expense of cassette design challenges. Can’t wait for the videos covering bikes’ wonderful standards: 1) Hub sizing 2) BB sizing 3) Headset sizing 4) Crank sizing 5) Seat tube sizing 6) Handlebar sizing 7) Derailleur / chain / cassette / chainring sizing 8) Rim /tire sizing 9) Shock sizing 10) Brake rotor sizing 11) Brake pad sizing I toy with the idea of quitting bikes for several years to let the industry sort itself out. Building a MTB from the ground up is incredibly frustrating. Assembly tools, all of the “standards”, fitment/spacing, servicing tools etc. I don’t know how bike shops stay sane.
@@impaledface7694 Yeah, fair! Works until you can’t find new replacement parts, sadly. I understand the need for some new standards due to general engineering/manufacturing improvements, but something like 35mm handlebars seems like a push from companies to unnecessarily “upgrade”
I use the 3 hubs and dont feel any differnce in performance hg is cheaper i stick whit hg never have a problem, i think this thing is for people to expend more money whit not any real benefit or performance you are not goin to climb faster you still need to pedal and stay fit
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would it kill ya to actually show the freehub bodies up close? 90% of the video is a view of the cassette.
So true 🤣
Sick GMBN audition tape!
You can get a 12 speed shimano mech/shifter, and still use your HG freehub. 12 sp deore works perfect with sunrace 12 sp 11-50 cassette. Granted, your smallest cog is slightly larger, but you'll still have way more range, than any 11 sp system without expanders. Box 9sp (possibly their other systems too, but not sure) goes on HG freehub - 11-50 range as well.
I even have a 11-52 cassette from Geardrive (DTS) on an HG body.
@@Maxwell1725P What mech are you using?
@@prusak26 Shimano SLX Derailleur and everything else XT.
According to Geardrive: Shimano derailleurs require a longer B-tension screw, you will need to adjust your b-tension screw to allow your derailleur cage to correctly clear the largest sprockets.
Mine came from the OEM like this.
@@Maxwell1725P Will this not cause too little chain wrap on small sprockets, and therefore quicker cassette wear and chain slip?
@@prusak26 don't know. Mine is Nukeproof and came from them like that. So far it is working great.
HG for sure will still be a preferable choice imo. I can't see anyone uses that 9 or 10 teeth cog that often. Aftermarket cassettes for shimano, Sram NX and box do still use HG freehub body for a still wide range drivetrain
yeah, I need 51 teeth cog much, much more than the 10 teeth cog. So the Deore groupset with 11 gears, HG compatible cassette and 11-51 range is quite good, durable, not expensive and is probably the best solution.
Recently had to remove a stuck cassette from an HG freehub body that had those worn notches. If you take a two chain whips, you can use one as an anchor and the other to turn the stuck cogs counter-clockwise slightly in order to back them out from the worn notches. I've used regular ol' bike chains in a pinch if you don't have one or two chain whips. Just an alternate method if you don't like taking a hammer or mallet to things.
I went SramNo AXS on my latest build simply because of cassette cost. The cheapest GX cassette was $175 whereas I was able to find XT 10-51 for $102. I like the simplicity of the one piece design, but it does cost more.
great overview , thanks!
HG forever! Only time i had problems with the freehub body, it was around 15€ to replace. Many years ago.
I just got an xt drivetrain on ebay. Shimano shifter derailleur and chain with hg compatible sunrace 11-50 cassette. Shifts well.
All three work for bumbling down the trails.
I love the neutrality, no hint of "shimano better" or "sram better" just "they are both doing a really good job" which realistically should be case. Brand toxicity is annoying.
Does anyone know if a shimano XT hub using a HG hubody, can be upgraded to a MircoSpline body? ie Mircopline backward compatible with older hubs using HG bodys?
I'll try to bumble my way through changing one of these.
I bumbled mine in place, idk why I think it's backwards when I pedal back the bike doesn't back up?!
@@LaurentiusTriarius
Just had to make sure one of these comments were here!! haha
^ the only reason I’m here rn
Pathetic
Sram NX is for a HG hub and is 12 speed.
Can the microspline be used as 11 speed?
Been running 11 speed XT for a few years. Plenty of range and works good but I need a new crank now and they are all gone. Cheapest way to move to 12 speed is to buy new microspline drive shell for wheel I have. Going that route is still going to be $625,00. Really ticks me off I cant get 11 speed cranks anymore.
XD is no good. The smallest sprocket gets worn and now you have to throw away the whole cassette. With microspline you can just replace the smallest sprockets and ride forever. Larger sprockets never get too worn basically. In my experience.
I hardly ever use the smallest cog
Good in theory, but Shimano is terrible about keeping separate smaller sprockets in stock. So in the end, it's all the same.
@@michaelgunawan2319 true. Those are hard to find. I always keep spares. When I use them, it takes like a few months to get the new spares. I have to keep my own stock.
@@pebbleinspectorWho has them in stock right now?
Whenever I replace my cassettes due to wear, they are worn at larger sprockets and never due to small sprocket issues. Even with Hg hard to find just the bigger spockets to be changed and not cost effective. I guess if I am biking flat areas, i would use small sprockets more.
Great vid thank you
Forget expensive parts for ebike drivetrains. HG with 11-42T cassette, SLX shifter and XT derailleur and XT chain. Less than $200 for everything.
Just forget e-bikes instead.
Good to see henry from gmbn
I didn't get splines installing my microspline in place, neither when I put my DT splines wheels on?
Idk people put gloves on.
Is this video of enough high quality to be uploaded? I mean, after all we have limited space for uploading amateur videos with improper content.
are you sure we should be handling this ourselves, or is something only professional riders should be attempting?
Would have loved to hear some words about compatibility.
Looks like a bumble. Wait weong comment section
All this content ruined by poor camera work and lazy editing. Get some zoomed in shots of the deep technical parts
I wish microspline was available for 10 and 11 speed cassettes. 12 speed costs too much to maintain on my ebike
I dont like how fine the threads are on the XD freehub. Too easy to crossthread.
Just tell us what's best for bumbling down trails. No need for any of this pro quality nonsense.
Pathetic
You should use anti-seize on XD, because otherwise the cassette can seize on the freehub and it's very hard to remove it without damaging the cassette.
Doesn't one of them except both shimano and sram cassettes??? Or am i thinking something else..
yes i think. Sram SX/NX is compatible with XD i think.
Yeah HG is used by both Shimano and SRAM, but only on certain models. For example the SX and NX drivetrains use HG freehub cassettes, as does SRAM Rival and I think Force as well on the Road/gravel side. I'm not sure what Shimano uses HG with these days, probably some 11 or 10 speed stuff.
Hey-che dee
Fixed gear?
Haha brave on a mountain bike but kudos if you can
Henry...
XD drive is a superior technology at the expense of cassette design challenges.
Can’t wait for the videos covering bikes’ wonderful standards:
1) Hub sizing
2) BB sizing
3) Headset sizing
4) Crank sizing
5) Seat tube sizing
6) Handlebar sizing
7) Derailleur / chain / cassette / chainring sizing
8) Rim /tire sizing
9) Shock sizing
10) Brake rotor sizing
11) Brake pad sizing
I toy with the idea of quitting bikes for several years to let the industry sort itself out. Building a MTB from the ground up is incredibly frustrating. Assembly tools, all of the “standards”, fitment/spacing, servicing tools etc. I don’t know how bike shops stay sane.
It's only going to get worse. I tend to stay in my lane with older stuff, that way I am fine.
@@impaledface7694 Yeah, fair! Works until you can’t find new replacement parts, sadly. I understand the need for some new standards due to general engineering/manufacturing improvements, but something like 35mm handlebars seems like a push from companies to unnecessarily “upgrade”
xD
I use the 3 hubs and dont feel any differnce in performance hg is cheaper i stick whit hg never have a problem, i think this thing is for people to expend more money whit not any real benefit or performance you are not goin to climb faster you still need to pedal and stay fit