Disney pretty much let’s him work on whatever he wants these days. Last I heard he was working on the Star Wars Mandalorian show and he’s directed some of the live action Disney remakes
@@correlis Yeah, it was pretty terrible, I liked the Comic book when I was a kid and saw it in the theaters as a teen. I think part of it was because Leah Thompson was in it. Still - awful.
I heard somewhere that it was created while attempting to make an Ant-Man Movie or a TV Show. Edit: The movie itself proves that we could have a good Ant-Man movie earlier.
@@roahnosh I have seen all the mcu movies including both Ant Man and Wasp movies all I'm saying is that honey I shrunk the kids is proof that those movies could've been done earlier in my opinion
.....it's literally not, at all, in any way. That's some basic-Bob assed analysis. They're shrunken!! JUST LIKE ANT MAN! Lmao And since it's nothing at all like Ant Man, HISTK is absolutely not proof that the movies could have been done earlier. No shit, they could have made an ant man movie earlier. That doesn't mean it would have been anything at all like the movie we got, nor anywhere near as good.
@@kashsmith6181 doctor strange is a different kind of character and more in Craven's wheelhouse with all the weird, dreamy, psychedelic visuals of the comics.
@@pan-semitistcommunist4181 I would argue that Swamp Thing would be better suited to him due to the horror elements. Swamp Thing leans much more into horror than Dr. Strange. But, he didn't make Swamp Thing as a horror movie, he made to prove that he could make a blockbuster action movie. Coming off the "Nightmare on Elm Street" high at the time of considering Dr. Strange, he probably would have made it a straightforward horror movie, probably with Nightmare as the main villain since he's basically just a more powerful Freddy Kruger. As much as I'm sure that some people would like to see a horror story staring Dr. Strange, he is not primarily horror, but action. The character's first movie should encapsulate their most primary elements first and foremost. Plus, they really couldn't pull off Dr. Strange's style of action with 90's technology. Sure, Wes Craven did a lot of surreal things in his "Nightmare on Elm Street" movies, but they were horror scenes and not well suited for action. What I mean is, they were slow build up to a quick pay off, they required vast amounts of delicate, time consuming, and expensive practical effects that couldn't afford to be abused in the intensity and elaborate choreography of an action scene, and they just couldn't match the fast paced, laser blasting, flying, insanity of the comics. Dr. Strange just can't work in live action without modern technology. Lest he be charging his spirit bomb for the last ten minutes of the climax.
That's wwwwaway TOO MANY CHARACTERS in this origin movie!!! These are characters only the nerdiest of comic book readers ( such as myself) would know & understand! Marvel villians aren't well known as some of their DC counterparts are such Lex Luthor & The Joker. Heck, Ironman wasn't as known as he is now.
*Oh come on,**#ThomasHenderson**! The spectacular 2003 X2: X-Men United pre-MCU film had like six villains: Magneto, Mystique, Pyro,Mastermind, General William Stryker and Lady Deathstrike and it was a successful movie!* ;D
I am so glad all of these scripts failed. They are so bloated and convoluted. The core of Ironman is perfectly represented in John Favreau's film. Tony Stark is a man with daddy issues, that takes up the family business of warmongering, is injured by his own weapons, and has to save his own life in a cave with Dr. Yinsen. While the setting changed from Vietnam to Middle East, the story is essentially the same. He makes his first crude (gray) suit, escapes, and goes back to his lab and makes the more iconic red/gold suit. His ordeal opens his eyes to the suffering that his company causes by selling weapons, so he stops production and distribution, and starts to focus on shielding the world from harm. He battles his vices like women and alcohol and is an all around d*ck, but a brilliant genius.
And the funniest thing is that the entire movie was mostly improvised. Most of the script was outlines of what will happen in a certain scene and rest was improvised by Downey JR.
What's so complex and difficult to follow about these scripts? Seem pretty basic to me, pretty out there compared to the films we know and love today...
@@thatannoyingguyinthecommen5970 Who said anything was complex OR difficult to follow. I feel these other scripts are convoluted in a very bad way, they are just bad scripts. Was my original comment too complex or difficult for you to follow? Seems like it. Read my comment and try again. It might be too complex or difficult to follow (for you).
I think the one of the reasons we didn't get much CBM back in the day was because the effects weren't up to adapt all crazy shit that was in the comics so the MCU came in at the perfect time because roughly around that same time Avatar came out and showed everyone that CGI was at that point where it could do anything.
16:52 I remember seeing that poster for the 2006 Iron Man movie in Wizard magazine around 2003. There was also supposed to be a Submariner movie and a Metroid movie. 😔
I would've assumed the reason things fell through with New Line was because Bob Shaye wouldn't spring for a decent budget. That guy was the biggest penny pinching cheapskate in Hollywood.
@@jgfear, Tarantino was raised on comics. He had comic book nods in all of his films. He dosen't do comic-book-type films? What did the Russo Brothers do before taking on the MCU? Two schlock-y generic comedies and some lame TV shows. You're gonna tell me Kill Bill doesn't remind you of a comic-book or manga? The Inglorious Bastards was literally inspired by the Sgt. Fury comics.
Robert Hays already brought him to life in the 90s cartoon. I know he did because that show is why I know who Iron Man is and why I got into Iron Man comics later on.
It was time they gave Iron Man is due. He was treated as 3rd fiddle for too long at Marvel. After realizing his potential, Iron Man was a stepping stone that saved Marvel and launched great movies. (Mind you the original Spider Man 2 was a real shift also) I would have liked to see what was Whedon take on IM and Cassavetes final showdown needs to be told. Iron Man taking on a whole army, before facing the last boss and powering up with the entire grid of Washington is the only thing way better than the current IM movies. (IM 1 nailed it best)
Spiderman 2 was the best movie Sony made (on their own). It really refined the essence of their version of Doc Ock, and I'm incredibly glad that he is getting a second outing in the new movie. ❤️😁👍
The story of Howard discussed in the starting matches my story 1000% I was also a shy boy in school and I used to hate schools that I still do !!! But I love exploring technology and mechanics a lot !!! I am 19 years old ! And with the reference of Howard , I can see my future as a successful genius engineer ,inventor and a national treasure !!!
@@raidenstark315 Don't worry, #raidenstark! Im pretty sure the famous and talented Chinese actor Tony Leung will finally give us a 100% pure,accurate and improved portrayal of the iconic malevolent intelligent cosmological alien tech power ring-toting Chinese Marvel supervillain, The Mandarin for our main hero Shang-Chi to fight in the brand new 2021 Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings MCU film! ;D
@@booksmartthealicorn3219 it's a shame we'll never get a mandarin vs iron man battle in the mcu, we know the mandarin and fin fan foom are now part of shang chi's rogue gallery I don't know why the mcu retcons many iron man villians as other heroes enemies like darren cross, ghost and sonny burch in ant man
@@raidenstark315Never say never! Also, Better late than never! Who knows?! RDJ's Tony Stark aka Iron Man might get ressurected in future MCU films, along with our beloved benevolent beautiful bright-eyed spunky Sokovian speedster angel and true vibrant blue heroic Avenger Pietro Django Maximoff aka Quicksilver played by the talented Aaron Taylor-Johnson! ;D
The one we got was the best of the bunch. Crucial was also the design of the suit, they scrapped any designs the comics had and created one that the comics had to copy. One that looks more believable.
That is not really true. The movie suits were designed by Adi Granov, artist of Warren Ellis' Iron Man run. The stories heavily influenced the movies and so did its art. Granov had redesigned the Iron Man suit and made it a more realistic design. He designed the movie suit with the same approach. Look up "Iron Man Extremis Adi Granov". You can clearly tell how parts of his comic redesign were carried over into his (self-admitted) magnum opus, the movie suit.
@@goji253 I admit i haven't kept up with the comics, since the late 80's, but i meant since the first Iron-Man film, they created an armour that wasn't the polarised gold suit that i always new. Tony just put on a chestplate, gauntlets and boots and the rest "appeared". This made it easier for artist, who didn't have to draw a buch of mechanics for each panel. The film suit (from the start) has hinges and so on, like a real suit of armour.
@@MegaRudeBoy69 Yeah. Look up Adi Granov Extremis, seriously. It is exactly what you are describing, And it was what came out BEFORE the movies and heavily influenced them. I don't want to post a link here because UA-cam likes to take such a thing down.
Every single suit used in the movies was based on the comics. The more realistic clunky design of the suit been around since the 80s. The only thing movie armors influenced in terms of the comics was the design - comics started copying and pasting the exact look of the movie armors with little variation. But in terms of functionality, movies didn't even scratch the surface of what the armor can do in the comics. The Bleeding Edge armor in the movies is a watered down version of the insane biomechanical armor Matt Fraction created from Warren Ellis's Extremis concepts.
Nic cage looks nothing like Superman but for some reason he was tapped for that role at one point. It would have been a nightmare, but an interesting one. RDJ is the perfect Tony Stark. Who else do you get to play a smartass substance abusing celebrity millionaire than a smartass substance abusing celebrity millionaire.
Cage as Iron Man would depend on what sort of direction he's given and how much of a damn he gives. If he pulled off a Lord Of War tier performance, Cage Stark could have been pretty awesome.
New Line Cinema's Iron Man script is kind of cool for how father and son tensions can be brought to the forefront, it nonetheless would have been an interesting story to see.
Great video, really enjoyed it, altho I'm going to be 'that guy' and point out that Howard the Duck did not go straight to VHS and had a full theatrical release (unfortunately I was one of the few people to see it in the cinema)
The Howard Stark script isn’t that good. It’s like the 2003 hulk, boring but interesting in action sequences. However, the MODOK script is brilliant! It’s like a SiFi revenge thriller, which is a very interesting choice. There are also many scenes where Tony is in action outside of his suit, such as sneaking into AIM and getting caught by MODOK and his goons, and another scene where Tony is in a chase with the cops! A very different, but pretty damn cool script
Hmm. Hayters script has daddy issues, two competing PMCs with one basically being one guy, nuclear equipped armor exoskeletons... totally no Metal Gear influence seeping in there lol
Quentin Tarantino doing an Iron Man movie would be the best thing ever. It would also most likely give us a proper Iron Man vs. The Mandarin story, knowing how much Tarantino loves old Kung-Fu movies with menacing Asian bad guys.
A. that sounds stupid as shit and B. The Mandarin was a ridiculously stupid, racist caricature and no film with him in it ever would have worked. Ever.
@@the-NightStar Sorry for the late response, son. I don't know, I suppose my UA-cam notifications have a filter for idiots and I often times don't receive idiotic responses in my inbox. Anyways, onto your BS. 1. It sounds no more "stupid and shit" than any current Marvel movie coming out of the MCU. In fact, it sounds a lot more plausible and sellable than most of them. I don't see why a badass action brawl flick with two contrasting characters would be any stupider than a movie starring a talking raccoon, an anthropomorphic tree, Dave Batista smeared in paint, and featuring jokes from the Adam Sandler playbook. Actually, I'd rather see the former than the later. Never liked those Garbage of the Galaxy flicks. 2. He's not, obviously. Rather a very cunning and foreboding villains he, that Mandarin character, is. (Part me for my Shakespeare.) But even if he was (which he isn't), then shouldn't we also not have a Captain America movie or his character in general? Because I know for a fact Captain America, as he was conceived by Jack Kirby and Joe Simon, was quite a racist lad. As I recall, he'd refer to his non-white enemies with racial slurs such as "yellow monkey" or "brown rats". (Look it up, it's a real thing.) So, I dunno, son, if Mandarin doesn't deserve to have an opportunity for a feature film, then neither should Captain America. So I suppose it's time to burn all of your DVD copies and merchandise that feature the said character. And don't forget about those funk pops, too. Lord knows MCU fanboys love them their fun pops. Also, didn't James Gunn, an MCU movie director, said some rather dubious stuff about jews and mexicans? 3. There's a movie which features a character like the Mandarin. It's called Mongol, directed by Sergei Bodrov. So case is closed, pal.
From what I recall from reading an article in Comics Scene (mid-90s or something?), Stuart Gordon envisioned the more somewhat obvious veteran actors at the time, for Stark (Eastwood, etc.), he wanted to have the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline for the retired Iron Man, and he wanted Dr. Doom as the main baddie (cause he was also in armor and was cool looking, basically), although that's the quickest element to be shot down, since Doom is the F4's nemesis. As an interesting aside, Modok was going to be the main baddie for Deathlok in the movie that never happened, before the MCU was a thing. Is McCanlies's draft around? Would love to read it.
I think he said "Eastwood or someone like him," and must have mentioned a couple of other actors in the same age range. I might still have that issue around, will have to check it out one of these days.
I love Robert Downey Jr (litterally I want to marry him) but can we get some Kudos here for the late Keiji Fujiwara who did the Japanese dub for Tony Stark, he not only always dubbed RDJ roles including Sherlock Holmes and Dr Dolittle in Japan, he was also Tony Stark more times then RDJ, did much work in the Gundam series most notably he was Ali Al Saachez in Gundam 00, he's also voiced Megatron and grimlock in a few transformers and Mewto in smash Bros aswell as Reno in FF7 advent children and crisis core and the FF7 remake, the Joker in several batman games and movies including the dark Knight, did the Japanese voice for Bashir from deep space nine, inspector gadget, shaggy in scooby doo, dr Manhattan in Watchmen and judge dredd in Dredd. Just imagine that iron man is the joker, Megatron, judge dredd etc. I'm not Japanese, i knew him from watching subbed episodes of Gundam 00, Gundam the MS 8th team and Dr Stone, but he certainly deserves some Kudos. Rest in peace sir.
"Obediah Stane, pays to have Tony killed, during a weapons demo, it fails because Tony's a genius and builds a suit to escape. Then he builds a better suit to take out the people who tried to kill him, while also destroying his weapons so they can't be used for evil. Stane tries again but this time with a suit of his own. Tony manages to defeat/kill Stane.....then comes out to the world as Iron Man". Seems pretty simple to me, and it laid the foundation for what we have today.....I don't understand why the previous ones were so......needlessly complicated.
Names I've heard pre-RDJ are Tom Cruise (which I think this video covers) and Nicholas Cage (as a rumor in a comic mag back in the 90's). So, it is possible that Nic Cage could've been Stark in a Tarantino Iron Man film. EDIT: It looks like this video also covered the Cage thing, too. Yeah, I wonder who could've played Stark then in the Tarantino version.
Marvel probably won't let him do anything due to the MCUs continuity restrictions. But I'd loce to see him try himself on a DC story. I'm really curious as to how he'd handle characters like Cassandra Cain or Deathstroke.
Bummer they never made these. Something I noticed is Superhero movies are the one Genre we should be rebooting and revamping having multiple takes made wildly on whim. But no they insist on being safe with it.
Liquid Crystals I would hardly call Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2 the exact same type of movie as Captain America Winter soldier. Hell, remove the costumes and it’s a political thriller
A fascinating watch, really interesting information which gives great context to how these projects come to fruition, or sometimes not! Thanks for the content
Fox was forbidden to cross over marvel licenses even if they owned both licenses. They could make standalone films in the same license and cross them over (deadpool or Wolverine crossover) but fantastic four and X-men crossover was forbidden
4:38 *I just realized the photo of the cancelled Iron Man film director Jeff Vintar facial expressions reminded me of the late and great Howard Hughes ,the true life genius that inspired the creation of the Marvel superhero Tony Stark aka Iron Man during his moments of bizarre behavior and reclusiveness!* ;D
Tom Cruise could play a different MCU film character, probably in potential sequels to the brand new upcoming Black Widow MCU film or even a MCU reboot X-Men film ! ;D
im kind of glad they never made these movies until recent decade(s). only bc super hero movies back when were terrible bc they were written by people who didnt know the source material enough. honestly, if they had the first iron man script and used that back in the 90s, i wonder how good it would have been. special effects aside, i meant actors portraying the characters and studios execs sticking their finger in the script. maybe tom cruise would have landed as iron man
It is interesting to see how some elements of these earlier attempts to bring Iron Man to the silver screen did end up in one way or another in the film we eventually ended up getting in 2008.
Que bueno que No la hicieron! Quizas el guión, las actuaciones iban a ser Magistrales, pero la tecnología no era la necesaria para la magnitut de la pelicula. Buena información y video. Saludos. !
New Line Cinema's Marvel Cinematic Universe (2001-2012) Phase 1 (2001-2006) Iron Man (2001) Box Office: $995.7 million The Incredible Hulk (2001) Box Office: $450 million Iron Man 2 (2003) Box Office: $1.020 billion Thor (2004) Box Office: $715.6 million Captain America: The First Avenger (2004) Box Office: $590.2 million The Avengers (2005) Box Office: $2.340 billion Iron Man 3 (2006) Box Office: $1.813 billion Total Earnings: $6.9 billion Phase 2 (2006-2009) Thor: The Dark World (2006) Box Office: $851.4 million Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2007) Box Office: $920.6 million Guardians of the Galaxy (2007) Box Office: $996.6 million Avengers: Age of Ultron (2008) Box Office: $1.8 billion Ant-Man (2008) Box Office: $656.3 million Captain America: Civil War (2009) Box Office: $1.444 billion Total Earnings: $6.7 billion Phase 3 (2009-2012) Doctor Strange (2009) Box Office: $848.4 million Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 (2010) Box Office: $1.060 billion Spider-Man: Homecoming (2010) Box Office: $1.080 billion Thor: Ragnarok (2010) Box Office: $1.048 billion Black Panther (2011) Box Office: $1.607 billion Avengers: Infinity War (2011) Box Office: $2.4 billion Ant-Man and the Wasp (2011) Box Office: $742.7 million Captain Marvel (2012) Box Office: $1.335 billion Avengers: Endgame (2012) Box Office: $3.3 billion Spider-Man: Far From Home (2012) Box Office: $1.339 billion Total Earnings: $14.8 billion Phase 4 (2014-2015) Black Widow (2014) Box Office: $436.5 million Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2014) Box Office: $497 million Eternals (2014) Box Office: $460.2 million Spider-Man: No Way Home (2014) Box Office: $863.9 million Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2015) Box Office: $1.213 billion Thor: Love and Thunder (2015) Box Office: $965.8 million Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2015) Box Office: $1.090 billion Total Earnings: $5.5 billion Phase 5 (2015-present) Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2015) Box Office: $600.9 million Total Earnings: $30.7 billion
can we just all take a second to sit back and imagine how crazy a Tarantino superhero movie would be? most of the action scenes done in glorious one takes, no crazy spinning camera angles or epileptic editing work to make you nauseous, and the story might actually make some modicum of sense.
In the 1990s I was frustrated about all these Marvel movies that were constantly rumored, but never made. Looking back now on the Marvel movies that DID get made in those days (Punisher, Nick Fury, Captain America) I'm thankful they died on the drawing board.
Iron man would.probly have been terrible.before the new cgi and costumes on green screen. There were no pants for the robert wearing the costume only green dots. The version that came out was awesome
@@SupervoidCinema I am a HUGE Hulk fan. As a fan of the TV Show and an upcoming writer, I'm currently writing a draft based on the ideas of Revenge and Hensleigh's Hulk.
@@matthewpatrick7263 i didnt even realize he played brody in the first movie when i saw it, he was kinda transparent & i forgot he was even there. only after watching ironman 2 i had some confusion about some of the established context with stark & i had to go back & watch the first movie again before i realized he was even there, let alone recast. so i originally missed out on the 'deal with it' joke when cheadle first appears. my older comment was referring to howards claim that HE brought rdj into the project. i cant find it but at some point during a promo tour, i remember an interview with cheadle, larson, & evans. it was a little funny to me because all 3 were 'captains', if you count cheadles other work.
I think Farvreau doesn't get the credit he deserves. Without his Iron Man film I don't think we would have gotten the huge MCU we have now.
Disney pretty much let’s him work on whatever he wants these days. Last I heard he was working on the Star Wars Mandalorian show and he’s directed some of the live action Disney remakes
Disney really should've taken note & given Favreau the lead on the new Star Wars trilogy.
He's at least Happy about it
@@minifrezer150 Ayeeeeeeeee yeah I got that
If only he stayed for the third on and finish his trilogy instead of letting some hack ruin it
Howard the Duck didn't go straight to video.
Sadly.
lol Sadly I saw it in the theater
@@ajogg My deepest sympathies - I saw it on TV and I *still* felt ripped off.
@@correlis Yeah, it was pretty terrible, I liked the Comic book when I was a kid and saw it in the theaters as a teen. I think part of it was because Leah Thompson was in it. Still - awful.
D U C K T I T T I E S
I saw it two times in a theater. Hate me.
Honey I shrunk the kids is pretty much a Ant Man and Wasp movie
I heard somewhere that it was created while attempting to make an Ant-Man Movie or a TV Show.
Edit: The movie itself proves that we could have a good Ant-Man movie earlier.
ISingand DoOtherThings Ah, someone just assumed based on the title.
Go watch Ant man because the two movies re so different 😁😁
@@roahnosh I have seen all the mcu movies including both Ant Man and Wasp movies all I'm saying is that honey I shrunk the kids is proof that those movies could've been done earlier in my opinion
Ask Couch Tomato that question 😄
.....it's literally not, at all, in any way. That's some basic-Bob assed analysis. They're shrunken!! JUST LIKE ANT MAN!
Lmao
And since it's nothing at all like Ant Man, HISTK is absolutely not proof that the movies could have been done earlier.
No shit, they could have made an ant man movie earlier. That doesn't mean it would have been anything at all like the movie we got, nor anywhere near as good.
I would love to see a video on the Wes Craven Dr. Strange movie. That sounds really interesting.
Well, he made a Swamp Thing movie. However, it was absolutely, laughably terrible.
@@kashsmith6181 doctor strange is a different kind of character and more in Craven's wheelhouse with all the weird, dreamy, psychedelic visuals of the comics.
@@pan-semitistcommunist4181 I would argue that Swamp Thing would be better suited to him due to the horror elements. Swamp Thing leans much more into horror than Dr. Strange. But, he didn't make Swamp Thing as a horror movie, he made to prove that he could make a blockbuster action movie. Coming off the "Nightmare on Elm Street" high at the time of considering Dr. Strange, he probably would have made it a straightforward horror movie, probably with Nightmare as the main villain since he's basically just a more powerful Freddy Kruger. As much as I'm sure that some people would like to see a horror story staring Dr. Strange, he is not primarily horror, but action. The character's first movie should encapsulate their most primary elements first and foremost. Plus, they really couldn't pull off Dr. Strange's style of action with 90's technology. Sure, Wes Craven did a lot of surreal things in his "Nightmare on Elm Street" movies, but they were horror scenes and not well suited for action. What I mean is, they were slow build up to a quick pay off, they required vast amounts of delicate, time consuming, and expensive practical effects that couldn't afford to be abused in the intensity and elaborate choreography of an action scene, and they just couldn't match the fast paced, laser blasting, flying, insanity of the comics. Dr. Strange just can't work in live action without modern technology. Lest he be charging his spirit bomb for the last ten minutes of the climax.
kash smith and would say the same for Tobe Hooper’s Spider-Man and Sam Raimi’s Thor
KJ Beast not even Del Toro ?
That's wwwwaway TOO MANY CHARACTERS in this origin movie!!! These are characters only the nerdiest of comic book readers ( such as myself) would know & understand! Marvel villians aren't well known as some of their DC counterparts are such Lex Luthor & The Joker. Heck, Ironman wasn't as known as he is now.
it would work as an Arkham city like video game
@@durtypan idk man, not every superhero games gotta be like arkham city
@@guy8643 I just mean in the way that it is a good entry point for the series introducing lots of villain's
*Oh come on,**#ThomasHenderson**! The spectacular 2003 X2: X-Men United pre-MCU film had like six villains: Magneto, Mystique, Pyro,Mastermind, General William Stryker and Lady Deathstrike and it was a successful movie!* ;D
You have to introduce any character to get people to know who they are.
Robert Downey is iron man.
jeremy moviefan, you forgot the Jr.
Robert Downey is his father. Iron man is Robert Downey Jr. (Sorry for being a nerd)
Abusive Husband atleast its still noticeable that its him
@@kryph1 yup i forgot to put there .
Chris even is Captain America
I am so glad all of these scripts failed. They are so bloated and convoluted. The core of Ironman is perfectly represented in John Favreau's film. Tony Stark is a man with daddy issues, that takes up the family business of warmongering, is injured by his own weapons, and has to save his own life in a cave with Dr. Yinsen. While the setting changed from Vietnam to Middle East, the story is essentially the same. He makes his first crude (gray) suit, escapes, and goes back to his lab and makes the more iconic red/gold suit. His ordeal opens his eyes to the suffering that his company causes by selling weapons, so he stops production and distribution, and starts to focus on shielding the world from harm. He battles his vices like women and alcohol and is an all around d*ck, but a brilliant genius.
And the funniest thing is that the entire movie was mostly improvised.
Most of the script was outlines of what will happen in a certain scene and rest was improvised by Downey JR.
What's so complex and difficult to follow about these scripts? Seem pretty basic to me, pretty out there compared to the films we know and love today...
I think the 1996 - 1999 movie sounded pretty cool
None of these movie plots sound convoluted infact some of them sound way better than the mcu one
@@thatannoyingguyinthecommen5970 Who said anything was complex OR difficult to follow. I feel these other scripts are convoluted in a very bad way, they are just bad scripts. Was my original comment too complex or difficult for you to follow? Seems like it. Read my comment and try again. It might be too complex or difficult to follow (for you).
17:15 “Snake? What’s the matter, why aren’t you focused on the mission?”
“I’m a bit too busy rewriting the Iron Man movie script Colonel!”
Underrated!
Wow.... Didn't know they tried to make the movie for this long
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That video about Howard Hughes feels like something straight out of the mcu about Howard stark.
Right
This Robert Downey junior character at the end looks a lot like Tony stark
Because his is his actor
@@Dada-bx5st r/wooosh
Rename this video “The MCU We Never Saw”
I like it as it is about Iron Man
With all these difficulties and errors, we finally got the gem, Robert Downey Jr. Was it worth the trouble? Yes.
I think the one of the reasons we didn't get much CBM back in the day was because the effects weren't up to adapt all crazy shit that was in the comics so the MCU came in at the perfect time because roughly around that same time Avatar came out and showed everyone that CGI was at that point where it could do anything.
16:52
I remember seeing that poster for the 2006 Iron Man movie in Wizard magazine around 2003. There was also supposed to be a Submariner movie and a Metroid movie. 😔
I've always wondered if the McCanlies Iron Man was where they tried to get Clooney to play Nick Fury before he was scared off by the MAX comic.
I would've assumed the reason things fell through with New Line was because Bob Shaye wouldn't spring for a decent budget. That guy was the biggest penny pinching cheapskate in Hollywood.
Yeah he's the reason Wes Craven never did Freddy 2.
Don’t know why the algorithm decided to finally show me this... but wow, this was really well done, definitely subscribed.
I love the MCU (not sure about post endgame yet) but they obvious used ALOT of all those drafts in the final MCU version LoL
I'd love to see Quentin Tarantino make a standalone Iron Man movie
he was gonna make a Luke Cage movie in the 90s
ISingand DoOtherThings the mandarin would fit a Tarantino film
I just don’t see it. Tarnantino isn’t the Comic Book movie type. He doesn’t do comic book films
Edward HARRISON [13M3] imo he doesn’t need to.
@@jgfear, Tarantino was raised on comics. He had comic book nods in all of his films. He dosen't do comic-book-type films? What did the Russo Brothers do before taking on the MCU? Two schlock-y generic comedies and some lame TV shows. You're gonna tell me Kill Bill doesn't remind you of a comic-book or manga? The Inglorious Bastards was literally inspired by the Sgt. Fury comics.
If those iron man movies came out then everyone would say those are the best and that rdc is trash or something
@KJ Beast ikr
KJ Beast facts man
Only Downey Jr. could have brought this character to life.
Tom Cruise could and would be a way better Ironman
Blasphemy
@@nathanchang7713 Tom cruise is a good actor but Downey Jr improvised and portrayed it very well.
Robert Hays already brought him to life in the 90s cartoon. I know he did because that show is why I know who Iron Man is and why I got into Iron Man comics later on.
And Jon favreau
It was time they gave Iron Man is due. He was treated as 3rd fiddle for too long at Marvel. After realizing his potential, Iron Man was a stepping stone that saved Marvel and launched great movies. (Mind you the original Spider Man 2 was a real shift also) I would have liked to see what was Whedon take on IM and Cassavetes final showdown needs to be told. Iron Man taking on a whole army, before facing the last boss and powering up with the entire grid of Washington is the only thing way better than the current IM movies. (IM 1 nailed it best)
Spiderman 2 was the best movie Sony made (on their own).
It really refined the essence of their version of Doc Ock, and I'm incredibly glad that he is getting a second outing in the new movie. ❤️😁👍
Movies like RoboCop, Rocketeer and Terminator are proof Iron Man could have been awesome Man
Keywords: After the success of Blade. Without Blade, no Iron Man, no Spiderman. No Xmen.
we need a new blade
@@meatmaster665 Already announced...
@@mikemiken1963 ok
@@meatmaster665 There's already a new Blade announced with Marvel Studios.
@@cynthiautz6702 its not like somebody told me this already
The story of Howard discussed in the starting matches my story 1000%
I was also a shy boy in school and I used to hate schools that I still do !!!
But I love exploring technology and mechanics a lot !!!
I am 19 years old !
And with the reference of Howard , I can see my future as a successful genius engineer ,inventor and a national treasure !!!
Cary Togawa as the Mandarin would have been awesome.
I hope shang chi give us a properly adapted Mandarin and finally forget iron man 3
Triceratops91 Shang Tsung reprising his role 😂
@@raidenstark315 Don't worry, #raidenstark! Im pretty sure the famous and talented Chinese actor Tony Leung will finally give us a 100% pure,accurate and improved portrayal of the iconic malevolent intelligent cosmological alien tech power ring-toting Chinese Marvel supervillain, The Mandarin for our main hero Shang-Chi to fight in the brand new 2021 Shang-Chi and The Legend of The Ten Rings MCU film! ;D
@@booksmartthealicorn3219 it's a shame we'll never get a mandarin vs iron man battle in the mcu, we know the mandarin and fin fan foom are now part of shang chi's rogue gallery
I don't know why the mcu retcons many iron man villians as other heroes enemies like darren cross, ghost and sonny burch in ant man
@@raidenstark315Never say never! Also, Better late than never! Who knows?! RDJ's Tony Stark aka Iron Man might get ressurected in future MCU films, along with our beloved benevolent beautiful bright-eyed spunky Sokovian speedster angel and true vibrant blue heroic Avenger Pietro Django Maximoff aka Quicksilver played by the talented Aaron Taylor-Johnson! ;D
The words that sparked a new era of superhero movies
*_i am iron man_*
This channel is criminally underrated.
The one we got was the best of the bunch. Crucial was also the design of the suit, they scrapped any designs the comics had and created one that the comics had to copy. One that looks more believable.
That is not really true. The movie suits were designed by Adi Granov, artist of Warren Ellis' Iron Man run.
The stories heavily influenced the movies and so did its art.
Granov had redesigned the Iron Man suit and made it a more realistic design. He designed the movie suit with the same approach.
Look up "Iron Man Extremis Adi Granov". You can clearly tell how parts of his comic redesign were carried over into his (self-admitted) magnum opus, the movie suit.
@@goji253 I admit i haven't kept up with the comics, since the late 80's, but i meant since the first Iron-Man film, they created an armour that wasn't the polarised gold suit that i always new. Tony just put on a chestplate, gauntlets and boots and the rest "appeared". This made it easier for artist, who didn't have to draw a buch of mechanics for each panel. The film suit (from the start) has hinges and so on, like a real suit of armour.
@@MegaRudeBoy69
Yeah. Look up Adi Granov Extremis, seriously. It is exactly what you are describing, And it was what came out BEFORE the movies and heavily influenced them.
I don't want to post a link here because UA-cam likes to take such a thing down.
Every single suit used in the movies was based on the comics. The more realistic clunky design of the suit been around since the 80s. The only thing movie armors influenced in terms of the comics was the design - comics started copying and pasting the exact look of the movie armors with little variation. But in terms of functionality, movies didn't even scratch the surface of what the armor can do in the comics. The Bleeding Edge armor in the movies is a watered down version of the insane biomechanical armor Matt Fraction created from Warren Ellis's Extremis concepts.
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Nicholas Cage actually looks a lot like iron man, never noticed it.
Nic cage looks nothing like Superman but for some reason he was tapped for that role at one point. It would have been a nightmare, but an interesting one.
RDJ is the perfect Tony Stark. Who else do you get to play a smartass substance abusing celebrity millionaire than a smartass substance abusing celebrity millionaire.
Keelan Smith you don’t like jokes
Cage as Iron Man would depend on what sort of direction he's given and how much of a damn he gives. If he pulled off a Lord Of War tier performance, Cage Stark could have been pretty awesome.
Keelan Smith I laughed
Nahhh...I like it when he is the Ghost Rider.
Already binged on this channel this morning. Amazing content.
Cheers! I appreciate you watching!
New Line Cinema's Iron Man script is kind of cool for how father and son tensions can be brought to the forefront, it nonetheless would have been an interesting story to see.
Daaaaaaamn a Wes Craven Doctor Strange movie would’ve been awesome
i wish these were real movies. some are kinda weird, but they all sound like fun.
"The clothes make the man" more like "The heart make the man"
Great video, really enjoyed it, altho I'm going to be 'that guy' and point out that Howard the Duck did not go straight to VHS and had a full theatrical release (unfortunately I was one of the few people to see it in the cinema)
new line cinema's version of iron man would have been a good origin to ultimate iron man
The MODOK and Howard Stark ones sounded brilliant. Still happy with what we got in the end though.
The Howard Stark script isn’t that good. It’s like the 2003 hulk, boring but interesting in action sequences. However, the MODOK script is brilliant! It’s like a SiFi revenge thriller, which is a very interesting choice. There are also many scenes where Tony is in action outside of his suit, such as sneaking into AIM and getting caught by MODOK and his goons, and another scene where Tony is in a chase with the cops! A very different, but pretty damn cool script
@@ixlewerx That does sound cool. Shame we didn't get it.
I'm glad all those films never happened and we got iron man 1 instead a real masterpiece
Hmm. Hayters script has daddy issues, two competing PMCs with one basically being one guy, nuclear equipped armor exoskeletons... totally no Metal Gear influence seeping in there lol
Wait, david hayter? Like, "solid snake" David hayter?
Yup, he is also a screenwriter, he wrote the the first X-Men movie.
Ultimate ironman was sooo good in the ultimates. I wish we could've seen that in a movie. That suit.
I love the original 2008 Iron Man but oh my god, that last version you talked about sounded incredible and I would kill to see it
What??? How on gods green earth did that sound incredible?
this kind of videos just goes to show how much do studios f#*k everything up.
Quentin Tarantino doing an Iron Man movie would be the best thing ever. It would also most likely give us a proper Iron Man vs. The Mandarin story, knowing how much Tarantino loves old Kung-Fu movies with menacing Asian bad guys.
A. that sounds stupid as shit and B. The Mandarin was a ridiculously stupid, racist caricature and no film with him in it ever would have worked. Ever.
Tarantino and superhero films just don't mesh well I'm sorry maybe Luke Cage but nothing else.
@@the-NightStar Sorry for the late response, son. I don't know, I suppose my UA-cam notifications have a filter for idiots and I often times don't receive idiotic responses in my inbox. Anyways, onto your BS.
1. It sounds no more "stupid and shit" than any current Marvel movie coming out of the MCU. In fact, it sounds a lot more plausible and sellable than most of them. I don't see why a badass action brawl flick with two contrasting characters would be any stupider than a movie starring a talking raccoon, an anthropomorphic tree, Dave Batista smeared in paint, and featuring jokes from the Adam Sandler playbook. Actually, I'd rather see the former than the later. Never liked those Garbage of the Galaxy flicks.
2. He's not, obviously. Rather a very cunning and foreboding villains he, that Mandarin character, is. (Part me for my Shakespeare.) But even if he was (which he isn't), then shouldn't we also not have a Captain America movie or his character in general? Because I know for a fact Captain America, as he was conceived by Jack Kirby and Joe Simon, was quite a racist lad. As I recall, he'd refer to his non-white enemies with racial slurs such as "yellow monkey" or "brown rats". (Look it up, it's a real thing.) So, I dunno, son, if Mandarin doesn't deserve to have an opportunity for a feature film, then neither should Captain America. So I suppose it's time to burn all of your DVD copies and merchandise that feature the said character. And don't forget about those funk pops, too. Lord knows MCU
fanboys love them their fun pops. Also, didn't James Gunn, an MCU movie director, said some rather dubious stuff about jews and mexicans?
3. There's a movie which features a character like the Mandarin. It's called Mongol, directed by Sergei Bodrov. So case is closed, pal.
@@antona.8659 wdym the mcu has some pretty good worldbuilding
From what I recall from reading an article in Comics Scene (mid-90s or something?), Stuart Gordon envisioned the more somewhat obvious veteran actors at the time, for Stark (Eastwood, etc.), he wanted to have the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline for the retired Iron Man, and he wanted Dr. Doom as the main baddie (cause he was also in armor and was cool looking, basically), although that's the quickest element to be shot down, since Doom is the F4's nemesis. As an interesting aside, Modok was going to be the main baddie for Deathlok in the movie that never happened, before the MCU was a thing. Is McCanlies's draft around? Would love to read it.
I never knew that about Eastwood, that's brilliant!
I think he said "Eastwood or someone like him," and must have mentioned a couple of other actors in the same age range. I might still have that issue around, will have to check it out one of these days.
This really awesome. I love hearing stories like this. God bless you and this channel.
Imagine iron man release in 1991 and remakes iron man in 2008 (in the alternate universe)
'' The invicible iron man ''
endgame : well yes but actually no
I had no idea David Hayter the voice of Solid Snake was involved in Iron man. The fuckkk.
Wow wow wow as much as I love the mcu, I really would love to have seen all of these films be made.
“A human rocket-missile”
Some of These Scripts Sound Pretty Amazing I would Love a Ironman Film About one of these
I love Robert Downey Jr (litterally I want to marry him) but can we get some Kudos here for the late Keiji Fujiwara who did the Japanese dub for Tony Stark, he not only always dubbed RDJ roles including Sherlock Holmes and Dr Dolittle in Japan, he was also Tony Stark more times then RDJ, did much work in the Gundam series most notably he was Ali Al Saachez in Gundam 00, he's also voiced Megatron and grimlock in a few transformers and Mewto in smash Bros aswell as Reno in FF7 advent children and crisis core and the FF7 remake, the Joker in several batman games and movies including the dark Knight, did the Japanese voice for Bashir from deep space nine, inspector gadget, shaggy in scooby doo, dr Manhattan in Watchmen and judge dredd in Dredd.
Just imagine that iron man is the joker, Megatron, judge dredd etc. I'm not Japanese, i knew him from watching subbed episodes of Gundam 00, Gundam the MS 8th team and Dr Stone, but he certainly deserves some Kudos. Rest in peace sir.
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"Obediah Stane, pays to have Tony killed, during a weapons demo, it fails because Tony's a genius and builds a suit to escape. Then he builds a better suit to take out the people who tried to kill him, while also destroying his weapons so they can't be used for evil. Stane tries again but this time with a suit of his own. Tony manages to defeat/kill Stane.....then comes out to the world as Iron Man". Seems pretty simple to me, and it laid the foundation for what we have today.....I don't understand why the previous ones were so......needlessly complicated.
Damn. Would love to read that Tarantino write up. Wonder of he had anyone in mind for Stark.
"Scene 1, we open with a close up of Whitney Frost's bare feet on Tony Stark's desk..."
Travolta in the 90s would have been a good choice.
Names I've heard pre-RDJ are Tom Cruise (which I think this video covers) and Nicholas Cage (as a rumor in a comic mag back in the 90's). So, it is possible that Nic Cage could've been Stark in a Tarantino Iron Man film.
EDIT: It looks like this video also covered the Cage thing, too. Yeah, I wonder who could've played Stark then in the Tarantino version.
Marvel probably won't let him do anything due to the MCUs continuity restrictions.
But I'd loce to see him try himself on a DC story. I'm really curious as to how he'd handle characters like Cassandra Cain or Deathstroke.
Goji Tarantino directing a what if... episode would be cool
For sure--all props to Favreau
Bummer they never made these. Something I noticed is Superhero movies are the one Genre we should be rebooting and revamping having multiple takes made wildly on whim. But no they insist on being safe with it.
Liquid Crystals I would hardly call Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2 the exact same type of movie as Captain America Winter soldier. Hell, remove the costumes and it’s a political thriller
Constantly rebooting and remaking super hero movies is stupid, confu6ans pointless
@@mr.joshua204 i agree too many reboots.
Sir Nebworth personally I think that Winter Soldier is overrated and boring.
Thank God! So much could have changed our trajectory had we never had Endgame.
A fascinating watch, really interesting information which gives great context to how these projects come to fruition, or sometimes not! Thanks for the content
0:26 this image gave my biceps biceps
9:02 that hulk right there looks like a cursed image
Man I’m so glad UA-cam recommend you man, haha. Subbed. Great channel
That's appreciated, cheers!
if fox owned him, they'll be xmen crossover
Fox was forbidden to cross over marvel licenses even if they owned both licenses. They could make standalone films in the same license and cross them over (deadpool or Wolverine crossover) but fantastic four and X-men crossover was forbidden
Maniac536 Until 2014 when they planned on making a crossover with the Fant4stic versions of the FF.
Fernando Rosales they lied about that
@@Maniac536 Did the same rule apply to Sony's Spider-Man, or was the lack of a crossover simply due to a lack of partnership between the companies?
Austin Waller the spider man rules changed over the years. You need to give me an era of time. Are we talking before or after MCU crossover?
4:38 *I just realized the photo of the cancelled Iron Man film director Jeff Vintar facial expressions reminded me of the late and great Howard Hughes ,the true life genius that inspired the creation of the Marvel superhero Tony Stark aka Iron Man during his moments of bizarre behavior and reclusiveness!* ;D
I'm glad cruise didn't play stark,i think we all are.
well actually if he had gotten a role as iron as well, i think theyd be compared pretty evenly.
Tom Cruise could play a different MCU film character, probably in potential sequels to the brand new upcoming Black Widow MCU film or even a MCU reboot X-Men film ! ;D
01:00 RIP John Schnepp
im kind of glad they never made these movies until recent decade(s). only bc super hero movies back when were terrible bc they were written by people who didnt know the source material enough.
honestly, if they had the first iron man script and used that back in the 90s, i wonder how good it would have been. special effects aside, i meant actors portraying the characters and studios execs sticking their finger in the script. maybe tom cruise would have landed as iron man
That last idea for a Iron Man movie sounded epic....Too bad we will probably never get it
Great work! That was the poster of Camerons' 'Spider-Man' at 2:50, thanks for the nostalgia!
13:43 That is basically the plot of the actual iron man film. Lol.
It is interesting to see how some elements of these earlier attempts to bring Iron Man to the silver screen did end up in one way or another in the film we eventually ended up getting in 2008.
Ugghh. Those 80s and 90s Marvel movies were atrocious.
The first planned iron man film reminded me of the dark knight films
I bet they couldnt find the right Tony Stark actor until they found Robert
Tom Cruise
Bradley Cooper.
Que bueno que No la hicieron!
Quizas el guión, las actuaciones iban a ser Magistrales, pero la tecnología no era la necesaria para la magnitut de la pelicula.
Buena información y video.
Saludos. !
New Line Cinema's Marvel Cinematic Universe (2001-2012)
Phase 1 (2001-2006)
Iron Man (2001)
Box Office: $995.7 million
The Incredible Hulk (2001)
Box Office: $450 million
Iron Man 2 (2003)
Box Office: $1.020 billion
Thor (2004)
Box Office: $715.6 million
Captain America: The First Avenger (2004)
Box Office: $590.2 million
The Avengers (2005)
Box Office: $2.340 billion
Iron Man 3 (2006)
Box Office: $1.813 billion
Total Earnings: $6.9 billion
Phase 2 (2006-2009)
Thor: The Dark World (2006)
Box Office: $851.4 million
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2007)
Box Office: $920.6 million
Guardians of the Galaxy (2007)
Box Office: $996.6 million
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2008)
Box Office: $1.8 billion
Ant-Man (2008)
Box Office: $656.3 million
Captain America: Civil War (2009)
Box Office: $1.444 billion
Total Earnings: $6.7 billion
Phase 3 (2009-2012)
Doctor Strange (2009)
Box Office: $848.4 million
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 (2010)
Box Office: $1.060 billion
Spider-Man: Homecoming (2010)
Box Office: $1.080 billion
Thor: Ragnarok (2010)
Box Office: $1.048 billion
Black Panther (2011)
Box Office: $1.607 billion
Avengers: Infinity War (2011)
Box Office: $2.4 billion
Ant-Man and the Wasp (2011)
Box Office: $742.7 million
Captain Marvel (2012)
Box Office: $1.335 billion
Avengers: Endgame (2012)
Box Office: $3.3 billion
Spider-Man: Far From Home (2012)
Box Office: $1.339 billion
Total Earnings: $14.8 billion
Phase 4 (2014-2015)
Black Widow (2014)
Box Office: $436.5 million
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2014)
Box Office: $497 million
Eternals (2014)
Box Office: $460.2 million
Spider-Man: No Way Home (2014)
Box Office: $863.9 million
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2015)
Box Office: $1.213 billion
Thor: Love and Thunder (2015)
Box Office: $965.8 million
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2015)
Box Office: $1.090 billion
Total Earnings: $5.5 billion
Phase 5 (2015-present)
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2015)
Box Office: $600.9 million
Total Earnings: $30.7 billion
can we just all take a second to sit back and imagine how crazy a Tarantino superhero movie would be? most of the action scenes done in glorious one takes, no crazy spinning camera angles or epileptic editing work to make you nauseous, and the story might actually make some modicum of sense.
Most do
David Hayter rewriting the New Line Iron Man script like a Metal Gear plot x)
2:14 That's Nicolas Cage gone back in time
Interesting documentary...I had no idea that "Iron Man" was in development as early as 1990.
Thanks to this video you can see all the details that finally made it to the movie.
Thank you, great video!
Thanks for watching!
Damn good video my man 👏
You've earned my subscription.
Thank you !
In the 1990s I was frustrated about all these Marvel movies that were constantly rumored, but never made. Looking back now on the Marvel movies that DID get made in those days (Punisher, Nick Fury, Captain America) I'm thankful they died on the drawing board.
Iron man would.probly have been terrible.before the new cgi and costumes on green screen. There were no pants for the robert wearing the costume only green dots. The version that came out was awesome
Thanks for this video
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Do more on movies that didn't get realised or make
Thank you! Will do.
*20:53** ¿TITANIUM MAN?*
*AYYYYYY ARMORED ADVENTURES*
TIL Solid Snake almost made an Iron Man movie
Tony? Tony?! Tonnnnyyyy?!!!!!!!
Really?
@@gridone769 yeah, David Hayter. He plays Solid Snake in the Metal Gear series.
@@gridone769 yups
And he also wrote X-Men 1 and 2.
He's pretty good.
Talk about the Cancelled Hulk Films
I'm putting up a cancelled Hulk video tommorow
@@SupervoidCinema I bet that The Revenge of The Incredible Hulk and Jonathan Hensleigh's Hulk will be in the video.
@@afm_edits Yeah, Hensleigh's Hulk is the centrepiece. Stay tuned!
@@SupervoidCinema I am a HUGE Hulk fan. As a fan of the TV Show and an upcoming writer, I'm currently writing a draft based on the ideas of Revenge and Hensleigh's Hulk.
@@afm_edits That's awesome man.
part machine, part computer, part human........ so 2/3 machine?
Great video! I only knew about the cancelled spider-man movies. I didn't knew about these until now.
You did a lot of research man...good work..
So we are having Ghost rider as Ironman, sounds dope
"jon favreau.. would insist upon the casting of robert downey jr"
terrance howard: "am i joke to you?"
Like it or not, Terrance Howard was easily and successfully replaced.
@@matthewpatrick7263 i didnt even realize he played brody in the first movie when i saw it, he was kinda transparent & i forgot he was even there. only after watching ironman 2 i had some confusion about some of the established context with stark & i had to go back & watch the first movie again before i realized he was even there, let alone recast. so i originally missed out on the 'deal with it' joke when cheadle first appears.
my older comment was referring to howards claim that HE brought rdj into the project.
i cant find it but at some point during a promo tour, i remember an interview with cheadle, larson, & evans. it was a little funny to me because all 3 were 'captains', if you count cheadles other work.
They should adapt these abandoned marvel films into animated films.
0:32-4:28 Universal Pictures' Iron Man (1990-1996)