“Do good, and then you’re accepted” = every other worldview (which is a crushing weight to bear). “Be accepted, and then you’re free to do good” = Christianity. 39:37 Tim sums it up so well.
@@BotsnBeans I doubt that's a quote. If you have actually read/listened to much of his teaching, you would have a clearer understanding of what Dr. Keller thinks.
This man I would pay. He does not ask, but his words are more valuable than almost any others I ever hear. He isn't proud, and yet he is right. I have seen many charlatans. Tim Keller is not among them.
I so agree ..... his response to our God has set me into tears and made me realize what an amazing God we serve and I share his sermons and praise Jesus for the work He has done for humans..... WOW
Dr Keller is one of the most balanced teachers in the world. Much like the Bible. The truth is found in the middle of extremes. Unless we’re talking extreme love of Christ
So good! Especially the example around 26:36. The trap of culture telling you, to take a good thing that you can do, and having to turn it into your identity. Takes away much if not all the breathing space to fail or even enjoy in what you do.
jkk45...you're just right. Well said. In the first year after the Covid caper ALL the rest of human problems and struggles has continued as ever before. THAT'S tragic. Praise God for giving us His Son, Jesus Christ. Xxx
Keller seems to express ideas very similar to Kierkegaard (which I love). What he is saying here has parallels to the first five minutes of this lecture on Kierkegaard: ua-cam.com/video/0LdpKvZSJk0/v-deo.html
Aggression and being crushed by culture are different things. If you are suffering from aggression, like islamism, the difficulty of breaking away can be fatal. Son of parents who worship Muslim religion disown. It's crushing but it won't kill you
TK is very very wrong in this message when he speaks about sheep (in the introduction). He apparently knows nothing about the way a shepherd interacted with his sheep in Bible times. I lived in the middle East, I saw it even in contemporary times. The shepherd has a similar trusting personal relationship with sheep as he could have with a dog. Thus he could walk ahead and call them by name and they would follow him. Because of the semidesert conditions and wild predators the sheep needed a shepherd. Also lived in a mountainous area in Britain and I saw sheep live in the wild...they are one of the most independent farm animals ...the opposite to what TK stated as fact. The sheep have an intimate knowledge of the mountainside which is passed on from generation to generation. They know where to find different types of herbs to eat, and which parts of the mountain side is best for different seasons of the year. A few years ago whole flocks of sheep were slougtered due to foot and mouth disease. Then when a new flock was introduced to the mountain side they felt 'lost' and struggled to survive until they gained the knowledge of the mountain. The European farmer normally has no relationship with his sheep but only sees them a few times each year. Thus they must be driven, and cannot be led as in the Middle East.
While an experienced person such as yourself can criticize Mr. Keller on the particulars of actual sheep behaviors, and I agree that he might have been more careful in framing his comments, it seems obvious that his references to sheep as being non-self sufficient pertain to the connotative definitions of the word rather than real animals. Typically, when people are referred to as sheep it is meant as a derogatory comment i.e. "the sheeple". That is to say that it infers that those people so referred to are non-self sufficient, just as the common idea of sheep being animals who must always follow a shepherd, and be guarded by shepherd dogs etc, being as how these beliefs are ubiquitous where people don't regularly encounter sheep. Further, it is a serious mistake to lose Mr. Keller's subtle themes by nitpicking about the accuracy of things that are obviously used in the narrative as parables in order to illustrate abstract ideas, which I would say is done admirably here.
@@abelieversperspective9595 Thank you for your explanation. I tend to think that if I find an "inaccuracy" in someone's point then it's valid reason to think the whole argument falls. But you showed me that it doesn't have to be the case. Whilst someone's explanation of a metaphor might have failed short in many ways we can still appreciate the broader meaning in the context of the overall discussion being had.
There's a book called A Shepherd Looks at Psalm 23 that goes into detail about sheep behavior and needs and what Dr. Keller shared is similar to what I've read in that book.
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RIP Tim Keller. One of the absolute greatest Christian minds of the 21st century.
I am still being blessed by his life and teaching after he has gone on to be with our Lord. What a rich legacy!
I still can’t believe we lived in the same time
I find deep faith and hope in Tim Kellers messages ❤️❤️
“What if I really believed that the God of the universe knew me by name?” It’s so beautiful that it true for all who have faith in Christ.
“Do good, and then you’re accepted” = every other worldview (which is a crushing weight to bear). “Be accepted, and then you’re free to do good” = Christianity. 39:37 Tim sums it up so well.
Tim Keller is an inspiration to us all. A brilliant man who loves God. It was a privilege to listen to him again. I he read several of his books.
He says white people are racist because they are white. Do you agree with that inspiration?
@@BotsnBeans I doubt that's a quote. If you have actually read/listened to much of his teaching, you would have a clearer understanding of what Dr. Keller thinks.
@@BotsnBeans Source?
This man I would pay. He does not ask, but his words are more valuable than almost any others I ever hear. He isn't proud, and yet he is right. I have seen many charlatans.
Tim Keller is not among them.
I so agree ..... his response to our God has set me into tears and made me realize what an amazing God we serve and
I share his sermons and praise Jesus for the work He has done for humans..... WOW
Dr Keller is one of the most balanced teachers in the world. Much like the Bible. The truth is found in the middle of extremes. Unless we’re talking extreme love of Christ
I'm up for the extreme love of Christ all the time! Jesus!!!!!!!!
Xxx
Wonderful❤🙏🏽. Amen❤🙏🏽.
Be transformed by the renewing of your mind
Beautiful ❤❤❤❤❤
So good! Especially the example around 26:36. The trap of culture telling you, to take a good thing that you can do, and having to turn it into your identity. Takes away much if not all the breathing space to fail or even enjoy in what you do.
I see you went through this
jkk45...you're just right. Well said. In the first year after the Covid caper ALL the rest of human problems and struggles has continued as ever before. THAT'S tragic.
Praise God for giving us His Son, Jesus Christ. Xxx
In Oxford 'Wesley' has a different primary referent. John Wesley was a pioneer of Western Christian individualism. Circle complete.
The question at 44:00 was mine!
Kingdom Identity
39:00 the most important part for me
Does anyone know which of Tim Keller’s books has this information in it?
Making Sense of God: An Invitation to the Skeptical
《PREACHING》communicating faith in an age of skepticism
Lincoln Larsen thanks. That was it.
The Freedom of Self Forgetfulness
Keller seems to express ideas very similar to Kierkegaard (which I love). What he is saying here has parallels to the first five minutes of this lecture on Kierkegaard:
ua-cam.com/video/0LdpKvZSJk0/v-deo.html
I was just thinking this!!! Sickness unto death vibes
can we get the link to the sermon?
Someone forgot to ask the most important question: 'where does Tim Keller get his hair cut'?
Judicial commissioner colorado
47:00 okay... well aggression is hurting someone else. Tim keller is very smart and i love him but its not a good example or explanation.
Aggression and being crushed by culture are different things. If you are suffering from aggression, like islamism, the difficulty of breaking away can be fatal. Son of parents who worship Muslim religion disown. It's crushing but it won't kill you
TK is very very wrong in this message when he speaks about sheep (in the introduction). He apparently knows nothing about the way a shepherd interacted with his sheep in Bible times. I lived in the middle East, I saw it even in contemporary times. The shepherd has a similar trusting personal relationship with sheep as he could have with a dog. Thus he could walk ahead and call them by name and they would follow him. Because of the semidesert conditions and wild predators the sheep needed a shepherd. Also lived in a mountainous area in Britain and I saw sheep live in the wild...they are one of the most independent farm animals ...the opposite to what TK stated as fact. The sheep have an intimate knowledge of the mountainside which is passed on from generation to generation. They know where to find different types of herbs to eat, and which parts of the mountain side is best for different seasons of the year. A few years ago whole flocks of sheep were slougtered due to foot and mouth disease. Then when a new flock was introduced to the mountain side they felt 'lost' and struggled to survive until they gained the knowledge of the mountain. The European farmer normally has no relationship with his sheep but only sees them a few times each year. Thus they must be driven, and cannot be led as in the Middle East.
While an experienced person such as yourself can criticize Mr. Keller on the particulars of actual sheep behaviors, and I agree that he might have been more careful in framing his comments, it seems obvious that his references to sheep as being non-self sufficient pertain to the connotative definitions of the word rather than real animals. Typically, when people are referred to as sheep it is meant as a derogatory comment i.e. "the sheeple". That is to say that it infers that those people so referred to are non-self sufficient, just as the common idea of sheep being animals who must always follow a shepherd, and be guarded by shepherd dogs etc, being as how these beliefs are ubiquitous where people don't regularly encounter sheep. Further, it is a serious mistake to lose Mr. Keller's subtle themes by nitpicking about the accuracy of things that are obviously used in the narrative as parables in order to illustrate abstract ideas, which I would say is done admirably here.
I noticed that too but I gave him a pass.
@@abelieversperspective9595 Thank you for your explanation. I tend to think that if I find an "inaccuracy" in someone's point then it's valid reason to think the whole argument falls. But you showed me that it doesn't have to be the case. Whilst someone's explanation of a metaphor might have failed short in many ways we can still appreciate the broader meaning in the context of the overall discussion being had.
Thank you for that
There's a book called A Shepherd Looks at Psalm 23 that goes into detail about sheep behavior and needs and what Dr. Keller shared is similar to what I've read in that book.