As a lifetime fisherman and conservationist I realize the countless benefits the dams provide to our region but there is some primal emotional response to seeing a dam removed, like you are setting free a wild animal that has been kept in a cage for 100 years.
@@gabepurpur Yup, between the White Salmon, Elwha, and Rouge we are in the middle of one of the largest ecological experiments to ever take place. People want the big dams on the CR removed but I doubt that will ever happen in our lifetime as they have too much economic value. I have hope that we will see fish passage added to the upper Columbia. It would sure be a sight to see the "June Hogs" at Spokane Falls.
A lot of people commenting who either do not know about this project or are Northwestern Lake property owners. Pacific Power, the owner of the dam, did a cost-benefit in the 90s and decided to take the dam out because it cost more to maintain than it would ever make in power sales. The original opponents were the Tribes because there hadn't been enough planning for wildlife protection. When the studies were done and the protection and mitigation measures were put in place, the Tribes signed off. Then it was time for the Northwestern Lake property owners to block it every way they could. They couched it in terms of "protecting our cherished way of life," but in reality they knew if Condit was removed, their lakefront properties would no longer have lakefronts. Put bluntly, they wanted Pacific Power and its customers to go on subsidizing their property values. They lost, and the dam was removed. As for water storage, if you want an effective reservoir, you put it up in the mountains where gravity can assist the pipelines, not down at 300' above sea level.
They were sold the land as lakefront. They are not in the wrong wanting to protect their investment. I don't think it was selfish of them like you make it sound. What if you had the property and were going to lose all of your lifes investments and hard work?
@@jdmartin2984 They weren't sold the land. Pacific Power owns the land to this day. They were permitted to build recreational cabins on it. I haven't seen any conveyance where Pacific Power guaranteed the dam and lake would always be there.
If their property deed etc states they own the property to the high water mark didn’t they just gain a whole lot of private property? Now the high water mark is much lower. Cha ching.
@redeyedmongoose2963 if you spent the money to buy water don't property, I get wanting to keep it water front. That's a lot of money, just gone. But, I do also agree. Whatever is for the greater good over the good of 1.
I had to watch this a second time because it's such a beautiful river that is healing after the dam removal. I hope the salmon recover and the trees, plants and shrubs planted continue to thrive and grow along the river. Thanks for the video OPB.
Roseburg, Oregon is my home town.. been all over the state!!! It's beauty is sometimes paralleled, but rarely exceeded.... I love it when ever I'm able to go back.....
I’m currently working as a fire watchman in elkton. Down here the Umpqua is warm and folks fish for bass. I wonder what would happen if they removed the day up river
I feel the same way about the Adirondack mountains of upstate New York. It's a beautiful place whare I was economicly thrown out of. The Park agency has to much power there.
So grateful for OPB and Oregon Field Guide. This video was delightful--I appreciate that the topic was looked at from multiple perspectives, and especially the segment with Yellowash Washines. Thank you for including the perspective of local tribe members.
I don't care one IOTA about the "local tribe member" not after they went and slaughtered almost 1200 Yellowstone bison because it was their "heritage". Many of them were pregnant cows. ua-cam.com/video/TrmoEZsZzJE/v-deo.htmlsi=I-liHwt2Lh_hozZX
Thank you for this follow-up video. I think it's important to see how our larger recent environmental changes have affected the area, and how nature is adjusting. Great to see all of those newly planted trees doing so well!
had a rafting trip there before the dam removal. It was my first white-water rafting trip and the most memorable. would like to go there again some day.
A wonderful program. A compelling story that needed to be told. Nice to hear some good things we're doing for our planet. Thanks for this effort and the fine results. Maybe more restoration projects will be inspired by this story.
I watched the destruction of the dam on OPB, but I didn't know much about how the river had recovered until now. It's beautiful! And it will get better from now on.
"Mountain in the Clouds", an eighties book written about the early builds of NW dams and the search for the wild salmon, was the first hardcover I bought since junior college. My bro still his it in his library. It tells the tale of early dam permits in the NW that destroyed MORE salmon value than the electricity it created. But fish are free. Electricity you can control and sell.
Wonderful news to hear the White Salmon River is free flowing again, The Great Spirit and our Mother earth is shining with joy And Our Metis French/Cree Ancestors are smiling too.Maarsii Maarsii
What a feel-good video, I've been down the white salmon a few times before the dam removal, what a beautiful river to raft on. I'm so glad they finally removed that god forsaken dam. The salmon thank you too!! Thanks for the video, brought back some fond memories.
I have a home near Husum Falls, and was there when the dam was breached. It was closed to the public to view,but shorty after the blast,many y dogs and I would drive up the logging roads and walk down and see the large chunk of earth falling off. When it was save enough to walk where Northwestern Lake used to be/was/is an amazing sight to see.
I grew up fishing Northwest Reservoir and I have so many great memories of that place. Times change and hopefully the river will be a benefit to those who wanted it removed. I still close my eyes and remember how beautiful the lake was.
I am the only person I know that has ever "inner tubed" the entire stretch of river from top down to the lake (in fact I did Husum Falls 2x ). Used heavy wetsuit, dive fins, gloves, and a helmet. Now I'd love to go back and try to do the whole thing again, but this time make it to the Columbia River where the slack water starts. Water is extremely cold
Beautiful exciting experiment. Snake river dams are next. I am concerned those reliant on the power and dam infrastructure will suffer. The pace of removals may exceed our ability to lesson the social and economic impacts on people. Change is always a double edged dilemma.
Read Mountain in the Clouds: the search for wild salmon. (I have the hardcover from the early eighties). A Seattle -Intelligencer reporter and Oberlin graduate . It calculates that the private and public dams built on ONE variance from a Federal official that didn't even have the POWER to authorize these builds (1890 to 1910) destroyed MORE Salmon and fish value that the electricity they created. BUT you can control and charge forHydro. Fish arrive and are free.
I was glad to see the dam removal. However, the narrator of the video and possibly others involved apparently cannot do arithmetic. They stated that in some years before the dam removal there was not enough water in the river for rafting. This is as if to say that the dam was using up some of the water. When the fact is that all the water that ever entered the dam flowed through or over the dam. So now that the dam is gone, there will still be dry years for the White Salmon River.
Well done video. I'm curious to know more about the evolution of the sediment in the first year or two, and what kind of mortality did the river life experience. I guess that would have been a bummer to talk about.
Looks like it was a good for the local economy plus the river looks beautiful now. Maybe something like this could encourage other communities to follow suit?
@Debbie ohmyorgan nonsense. Salmon ladders are a crude substitute. The northwest anadromous teleost have evolved to respond to those very conditions of drought and flooding. The biomass expansion and contraction of a R selected population.
They aren't "white salmon". They are Chinook salmon. Which are not endangered as the video suggests. Only that they are not found in high numbers in this river. It is nice to restore the river, but the salmon component is misleading.
@@ericharmon7163 Give the salmon time to respond to the reopening of this part of their range...for generations they have been denied this, now give them time to realize they can come "home" again...but this only works if those of us who are "fighting" for regaining a healthy planet, oceans, lands, and atmosphere are successful.
I almost bought one of those cabins in the late 2000s. Cheaper at the time. Kinda kicking myself that I didnt. Sure, I would have eventually lost a lake but gained a cool river.
Yes missing adipose fins means it is a hatchery origin fish. Wild and hatchery fish often stray, also wild fish are used as broodstock for reintroduction programs and the offspring of these fish are clipped but allowed to spawn naturally in the river.
I'm concerned about the millions of people who live in Southwestern U.S.. Those economies where built on the dam, water, and power systems designed by engineers and planners at that time. A natural world would never have allowed for that kind of human expansion. With global warming, and depleting reservoir's with no end in sight, new ideas are needed now. Science may, or may not, be the answer.
If you mean carrying capacity when you say the natural world not allowing for human expansion I agree 100%. Here on the northeast coast all of our energy needs( food water heat shelter clothing etc) are imported and waste exported. I give a very simple thought experiment to high school students addressing this very issue.
@@anthonymorales842 Anthony; look up "Natural Carrying Capacity" I believe it is (roughly) defined as the ability of a given area to support a given species without that species negatively impacting similar needs of other species inhabiting the same area. If that's accurate then, IMHO, homo sapiens has grossly-grossly over populated Earth. From what I can find it is estimated for the greater majority of mankind's existence (~200,000 years) our overall population ran between 5 and 10 million of us; it was only with the advent of sedentary agriculture that our population began to expand...then as more and more technology was layered over our population further expansion continued until we have over 7 billion of us now, and realistically (despite numerous projections "wishing" otherwise) with no upper end in sight. All of this has been at the detriment, or extinction, of every other species on earth; with the possible exception of cockroaches and garbage rats, homo sapiens has negatively skewed and screwed all other life on Earth as we blew past Earth's natural carrying capacity for our species. Often I ask myself: just how many people would it take to keep all our advanced technology, and more equitably spread the benefits of such, throughout our population (ending poverty), while at the same time limit our numbers so that the rest of life on Earth could recover itself, and, Earth's ecology as a whole revert herself back into fecund health? A billion of us? A billion and a half of us? Good questions to posit to your students...
Are we supposed to pray as opposed to thinking our way out of the problem? Science has to be the answer. But will we find it in time and will we know the answer when we see it?
@@tonymarselle8812 I agree, but just another larger engineering project will not solve the problem and only add to it. The answer is removing impediments to the natural way and letting life adapt. Instead of science, maybe we can use our hearts and minds, and figure out how to move everyone around. In the process of changing, maybe it's not to late to stop global warming.
@@jamesreynolds5045 It is a good question in fact it might be the most important question. Carry capacity are not absolute more along the lines of a dynamic equilibrium. Some would argue that because there are so many humans we have miscalculated the numbers. A good argument if such variables such as quality of life, sustainability, externalizing energy and waste demands and of course time are omitted. The abiotic and biological feedback loop i.e. where and how these demands will be expressed.
The White Salmon is such healthy river that the dam removal was a push. Where the salmon spawned was from the mouth of the river down to the fish hatchery, so when Bonneville dam was built the spawning area was gone. Condit dam had been built twice before with a fish ladder but both dams blew out in the respective winters. The 3rd dam built in 1912 didn`t have a fish ladder. Instead they built raceways around a mile up from the mouth of the river. The dam became the battle ground because it was the first of, I believe, 5 dam projects PP&L has/had in OR and WA and would set precedent for concrete dam removal. On a side note, the PP&L dams on the Klamath river are the ones that really need to go, but I digress. We were indeed very concerned about the contents of the lake and what it would do to the lower section. We were very surprised, in a good way, with what happened. It should also be mentioned that the recovery work done where the lake was has also been a pleasant surprise, hats off to them. I think the biggest peril the White Salmon faces now is being loved to death.
The Kenai river in Alaska had a 2/5 King salmon(2 years fresh, 5 years ocean Chinook down in WA). They had 90lb fish being caught by rod many years ago. The sport guiding business gradually wiped out those 90 pounders since that was always a fish you would put in the boat.
Sadly way to many people don't realise that consistently taking out the biggest individuals leaves you with smaller and smaller fish. If fish over for example 50 pounds are beeing removed, then what is the point of the fish getting that big? Give it a few generations and they activly evolve to become smaller.
If it even would? There's was no question of the salmon coming back or the silt being a issue. If there was they wouldn't have torn down the dam. Think about it. The river would move the silt down stream as per usual if they dam wasn't there and if the fish didn't come back they could always seed the river. It's not hard to do. The trees and plants will reseed themselves. In case you forgot just north of there is St Helens. In less than ten years after the eruption the forests were regrowing, deer and game were coming back etc. That was after being buried under several feet of volcanc ash. Is there a required class on hyperboyle for environmentalists? It seems to be their default setting.
Most dams of this size do not contribute much to the power grid, by todays requirements. Especially when filled with silt and gravel. As stated in the video, the costs associated with bringing it up to standards exceeded the income generated by the electricity produced, so it was primarily motivated by economic issues. There are currently more viable sources of renewable energy such as wind and solar. Technology that was unavailable at that time.
@@jbbuzzable I agree and disagree.... Any hydro power will generally be worth it when it comes to having a renewable energy source. If it was less expensive to blow the dam instead of making viable, the question still stands. Did the replace the lost power with something else as reliable? Solar and wind do not provide much.
@@gw10758Just to put things into perspective. PacifiCorp, the owner of the dam, has plans to add 1,150 MW of wind power in addition to upgrading the existing 1,000 MW capacity they currently have. The Condit dam could produce a maximum of 15 MW.
The largest project is the Columbia River and the snake river. Hope the awhee is next and so to return another at least 500 miles of unobstructed water to Idaho and nevada.
As wonderful as that would be, The Columbia River will likely be dammed for another hundred years or more. We need something to replace hydroelectric dams before that will happen. Lets hope it doesnt take that long! It sure would be great to explore the river in its entirety.
@@theyard6958 just looked at google earth in a more detailed way, took a lot of time but I did not see all the dams without fish ladders between the mouth of the columbia and the confluence of the snake before I posted my comment, Damm sad, pardon the pun, I may be wrong but it looks like dams with fish ladders do not have fish hatchery but dams with no fish ladders have hatcheries, seems like an I'll conceived management plan.
I think we ALL need to embrace the ways of traditional native Indians and live off the land.. respect it they way it should be respected, nurture it the way it nurtures us.. keep it alive and prosperous so it may keep us alive and provides everything we as humans NEED .. we need the earth a lot more than we need the technology on it
You're not going to see ONE SINGLE INDIAN living off the land like their ancestors did. You'll see them eating at buffets in their casinos or off federal government welfare but living off the land, not hardly!
[T/F] Some of the salmon would have to have been 'explorers' since the age of the dam would have eliminated the initial salmon cycles. Glad to see the fish coming back. How long after dying are the fish edible?
Salmon were still spawning in the lower river so they were never eliminated, simply reduced to very low numbers. Now they have the full river and a much better riverbed for redds. The salmon are inedible well before they're dead. Once they enter freshwater, they stop eating and every bit of energy comes from their flesh. Catching them soon upon returning to freshwater is the way the natives have always done it. Sportfishing for them also tends to only be productive very soon after they enter freshwater. This applies equally to the Great Lakes fisheries. The only salmon that doesn't die after spawning is the Atlantic Salmon. Steelhead (trout) will also return over multiple years to spawn.
That was kinda my question here, was there a fishery at the headwaters (like the Salmon river in Idaho) or are these 'explorers' as you call them, I guess nature has to have some randomness to populate different rivers or even refresh genetic diversity. Perhaps salmon can 'smell" the water for breeding grounds and make a choice, the usual place or somewhere new?
@@TheJhtlag Smelling the water makes a lot of sense. They pass water through their gills to get O2 like we use lungs to get air O2. We have a nose ... maybe the fish have some sort of water 'taster'. They taste fresh water and maybe some of the minerals coming from the rocks and home in on them. Very interesting. Maybe has some heuristic value.
@@TheMrMused Natives used to catch Salmon at Celilo Falls after the fish had traveled for about 190 miles and 15 days up the river, so they were still good to eat after swimming that far in fresh water.
desalination is actually pretty easy... there's lots of water in the deep blue sea.. enough for everyone... forever and ever.. if we take care of it We only have one smallish Planet to take care of, y'all... for our Children
I kayaked this river a couple times a month for several years in the late 90s. The middle White Salmon section cuts through a deep and often narrow gorge. It must be experienced from the water to be believed. That is where I would like my ashes scattered. We always took out on the west side of Northwestern Lake, right after the bridge. Very pretty there. I feel bad for the lakefront property owners, but they knew they were leasing land that might someday no longer be waterfront. I support hydro, but am glad this particular dam is gone.
All dams which interfere with Salmon spawning should be removed. The Army Corp of Engineers has done much more harm than good by interfering with the natural flow of water all over the country. In California, farmers are stealing all the ground water, so the Army Corp of engineers is charging taxpayers billions of dollars to “redirect” the freshwater basin. Which didn’t work. So now, saltwater is now flowing into the California groundwater aquifers. That’s a huge disaster. But government employees can’t ever be blamed. They’re immune.
A list of ideas that might help. Fish Runs saving Dams and Water Shortages Update 7/4/2021 Do you have a nearby moving river or stream? You can now place a slow speed water generator on the bottom of the stream and make power 24 hours a day. The unit is called a Waterotor made in Canada. The Waterotors won't harm fish and can be scaled up to meet the needs of small towns or cities. Make the power miles away from the small town, sell the power to the power company than use the power to make water anywhere. Atmospheric water generators can make drinking water and irrigation water, and with a Waterotor, power can be made even in remote regions of the World. You just need moving water 3 to 4 miles an hour in streams, irrigation channels, fish ladders or even waste water outlet's. Garbage treatment plants can also use the power they make burning garbage to make water with atmospheric water generators and add storage tanks to supply small towns and cities. Adding Waterotors below dams can maximize electrical power made by any dam and replace power lost if the dam has a fish ladder or channel for fish to move up and down stream. A dam can be saved for flood control by adding these powered fish ladders and channels or notching the dam and putting in a flood gate to raise and lower the river during fish runs. Now people and fish can share the river. Note using the methane from sewage treatment plants or garbage landfills might be used to generate electricity for any water making projects. You might use your own City sewage system to make filtered irrigation water for lawns and gardens they have a system like that in my my small town. Note, what to make even more power? Then by covering fish ladders and channels with spaced solar panels decreases evaporation of the water and increases the efficiency of the solar panels. A now overdue idea, dealing with forest fires. You build and place atmospheric water generators and 100,000 to 5,000,000 gallon water tanks on hilltops to protect your town. You cover the tanks with solar panels and add wind turbines to make power anywhere. You sell the power, drinking water and irrigation water, then by adding irrigation pipes down the hillsides, you can create fire lines that lasts up to 24 hours. You make these fire lines by adding TetraKO, by Earth Clean at a 4 to 6 percent solution to the water. Turn on these stand alone units remotely, your fire trucks can work elsewhere or resupply themselves with needed water. Fire protection, drinking water, irrigation water and stand alone power for any city or town in need. Here again, Waterotor generators could be used to generate power for the hilltop water making units. These ideas all can be done today, just search UA-cam, and then tell someone.
All you people forget the men and women who built this country and the hard work they did. These dams serve a purpose. I thank the men and women who built the dams across this country for they are the ones that I put my hats down to.
This dam cost too much to operate. As for other dams they need to stay as Hydro is the solution to the energy problem. Create Salmon ladders and let them adapt.
They did what they thought was best, not fully understanding the ecological and economic toll that would occur. We can undo some part of what they did honorably, because we are also trying to restore and enrich the locals and nature. To the best of our knowledge. If they had known what we know now, I'm sure some of the dams would never have been built
The upstream fish probably came down to populate the lower bit of the river. Lake life for animals was a sacrifice for the original native river life which is more important. I hope they keep removing as many dams as possible.
@@rockytalkndawoods3057 the native Lake life that had filled the niche as well as the local animals are less important than other creatures that spend most of their life at sea?
So nice to hear that the indigenous native Americans get first choice to buy any or all of it, after all it was theirs for thousands of years. Doesn't that sound a bit ambiguous to everyone. It does to me.
The "indigenous" Native Americans were wiped out completely by the current "native americans". Look up the Clovis man and the genocide that wiped them out to the last man, woman and child! Sure there were other natural reasons they were exterminated, but nature wouldn't kill them 100% without destroying much more of North America!
If I had to choose between an artificial lake or a live river in front of my house I'd definitively choose the latter. I'd be really enthusiastic too if I lived here.
That was my favorite river to run in the state. Long drive from Seattle, but worth it. Would have loved to been able to do the lower part, but the dam was in the way, and Hussium Falls was the take out then.
Did you hear the part about how that dam was no longer economically viable as a generation plant? And what makes YOU special? Maybe YOU should send ME a check.
When they released the water it created beds for them to spawn, the same thing gold dredgers do. If they {there too many agencies to list} would get they're heads out of their butts they might figure it out. Not to mention all the garbage, lead, mercury, fishing gear, and so on.
@@kdigiacomo Have you ever seen dredging in progress or the beds it creates after the hardpacked material is loosened up? Have ever witnessed salmon spawning on the gravel beds created? I have, your ignorant to what really happens. The breaking of the dam will create new areas they can spawn in. If you think dredgers muddy the river look what mother nature does in a flood?
@@stlrsmike Nope, I live in the PNW and I've never seen a dredger and I also don't own two boats and 23 fishing poles. My comments are sarcastic, sorry you didn't catch on. But yes I live east of Portland and I'm always on the river as much as possible.
Where my spot is, it’s basically considered headwater I think. Mostly a creek from slow springs. Im just wondering if there was once Salmon in these areas and some natural catastrophe stopped it? I would like to see what would happen if a few thousand Salmon minnows were released here. All I have now are white sucker fish.
Nice to fix one river. Too bad pretty much every other river in the area is currently damned, some of them in multiple places. Seattle and Portland use a lot of water and power.
Try not to dwell so much on the negative things in life, Bub. Things like this take time, and besides, there have been many dam removals here. Also know that Washington has been the State leading the country with river restoration. We owe much of that to the wonderful Tribes that live here.
Really like the thought and determination. The portion of the story that is interesting starts @ ~11:00 and further. So there isn't any data suggesting the dam removal actually played any positive role in the return of the salmon population? Did I get that correct? No need to play with word games.
@@Greatdane12311 obviously you don't deal with professional speakers much. This is a way to leave in a positive note, even though its been over 8 years. There should be some data, positive, negative, or no change. My guess the re-evaluation period is up and they needed something to report, even if its nothing to report
Since salmon return to their place of birth only after 3-6 years, it's too soon to see trends. The scientists did say that for the first 2-3 years, there wasn't adequate gravel for egg-laying and thus no fish. Basically, they've only got 6+/- years of data so far. Not enough to make solid conclusions.
@@jenhofmann Breach Oct 2011 Full Removal 2012 2-3 years gravel buildup-2015 latest 6 years after gravel 2021 There should be something to report even if minimal information. I have tubed that river before the dam removal. It is amazing.
They could easily drop some tens of thousands of hatchery bred salmon fry in the upper parts of the river like we do in Alaska to speed the recovery up a few decades.
As a lifetime fisherman and conservationist I realize the countless benefits the dams provide to our region but there is some primal emotional response to seeing a dam removed, like you are setting free a wild animal that has been kept in a cage for 100 years.
Enjoy your new nuclear power plants.
@@rafosier The dams that have been removed in WA so far have been dams that provide little to no electricity.
@@gabepurpur Yup, between the White Salmon, Elwha, and Rouge we are in the middle of one of the largest ecological experiments to ever take place. People want the big dams on the CR removed but I doubt that will ever happen in our lifetime as they have too much economic value. I have hope that we will see fish passage added to the upper Columbia. It would sure be a sight to see the "June Hogs" at Spokane Falls.
@@rafosier absolutely 💯❤nuclear
@@rafosier The cleanest, safest form of green energy there is. Let's get started.
A lot of people commenting who either do not know about this project or are Northwestern Lake property owners. Pacific Power, the owner of the dam, did a cost-benefit in the 90s and decided to take the dam out because it cost more to maintain than it would ever make in power sales. The original opponents were the Tribes because there hadn't been enough planning for wildlife protection. When the studies were done and the protection and mitigation measures were put in place, the Tribes signed off. Then it was time for the Northwestern Lake property owners to block it every way they could. They couched it in terms of "protecting our cherished way of life," but in reality they knew if Condit was removed, their lakefront properties would no longer have lakefronts. Put bluntly, they wanted Pacific Power and its customers to go on subsidizing their property values. They lost, and the dam was removed. As for water storage, if you want an effective reservoir, you put it up in the mountains where gravity can assist the pipelines, not down at 300' above sea level.
They were sold the land as lakefront. They are not in the wrong wanting to protect their investment. I don't think it was selfish of them like you make it sound. What if you had the property and were going to lose all of your lifes investments and hard work?
@@jdmartin2984 They weren't sold the land. Pacific Power owns the land to this day. They were permitted to build recreational cabins on it. I haven't seen any conveyance where Pacific Power guaranteed the dam and lake would always be there.
@@jdmartin2984 I disagree with you. Personal greed should not win over social benefit. they bought it as lakefront, so be it things change get over it
If their property deed etc states they own the property to the high water mark didn’t they just gain a whole lot of private property? Now the high water mark is much lower. Cha ching.
@redeyedmongoose2963 if you spent the money to buy water don't property, I get wanting to keep it water front. That's a lot of money, just gone. But, I do also agree. Whatever is for the greater good over the good of 1.
I had to watch this a second time because it's such a beautiful river that is healing after the dam removal. I hope the salmon recover and the trees, plants and shrubs planted continue to thrive and grow along the river. Thanks for the video OPB.
A beautiful story and full of hope for a local river! So good to see a triumph for Good Old Mamma Nature!
Really beautiful videography, particularly the aerial shots. It’s fantastic to see how an ecosystem can recover after a dam is removed.
I love watching nature repair itself. 🙏🏼❤️
Roseburg, Oregon is my home town.. been all over the state!!! It's beauty is sometimes paralleled, but rarely exceeded.... I love it when ever I'm able to go back.....
I’m currently working as a fire watchman in elkton. Down here the Umpqua is warm and folks fish for bass. I wonder what would happen if they removed the day up river
I feel the same way about the Adirondack mountains of upstate New York. It's a beautiful place whare I was economicly thrown out of. The Park agency has to much power there.
This makes me happy. Yes we need dams. But we also should want natural salmon runs again
Beautiful story- so thankful the White Salmon is wild & free again!
So grateful for OPB and Oregon Field Guide. This video was delightful--I appreciate that the topic was looked at from multiple perspectives, and especially the segment with Yellowash Washines. Thank you for including the perspective of local tribe members.
I don't care one IOTA about the "local tribe member" not after they went and slaughtered almost 1200 Yellowstone bison because it was their "heritage". Many of them were pregnant cows. ua-cam.com/video/TrmoEZsZzJE/v-deo.htmlsi=I-liHwt2Lh_hozZX
Thank you for this follow-up video. I think it's important to see how our larger recent environmental changes have affected the area, and how nature is adjusting. Great to see all of those newly planted trees doing so well!
had a rafting trip there before the dam removal. It was my first white-water rafting trip and the most memorable. would like to go there again some day.
A wonderful program. A compelling story that needed to be told. Nice to hear some good things we're doing for our planet. Thanks for this effort and the fine results. Maybe more restoration projects will be inspired by this story.
I watched the destruction of the dam on OPB, but I didn't know much about how the river had recovered until now. It's beautiful! And it will get better from now on.
What about the loss of property value to the home owners with beachfront property ? Just Kidding, I don't give a shit.
Beautiful river 👍...nice to see nature coming back
"Mountain in the Clouds", an eighties book written about the early builds of NW dams and the search for the wild salmon, was the first hardcover I bought since junior college. My bro still his it in his library. It tells the tale of early dam permits in the NW that destroyed MORE salmon value than the electricity it created. But fish are free. Electricity you can control and sell.
hug a tree, bub
Am happy for You people,. The river is now what it was meant to be Free
I love dams but removing them is the right thing to do. Look at that beautiful river!
Amazing restoration job; only 10 years on and you'd never know the dam had ever been there. More like this please!
Wonderful news to hear the White Salmon River is free flowing again, The Great Spirit and our Mother earth is shining with joy And Our Metis French/Cree Ancestors are smiling too.Maarsii Maarsii
What a feel-good video, I've been down the white salmon a few times before the dam removal, what a beautiful river to raft on. I'm so glad they finally removed that god forsaken dam. The salmon thank you too!! Thanks for the video, brought back some fond memories.
Great report…beautiful river…thanks…
I have a home near Husum Falls, and was there when the dam was breached. It was closed to the public to view,but shorty after the blast,many y dogs and I would drive up the logging roads and walk down and see the large chunk of earth falling off. When it was save enough to walk where Northwestern Lake used to be/was/is an amazing sight to see.
Interesting! Did you take any pictures to share?
I grew up fishing Northwest Reservoir and I have so many great memories of that place. Times change and hopefully the river will be a benefit to those who wanted it removed. I still close my eyes and remember how beautiful the lake was.
As a fisherman, your comment displays great ignorance
I am the only person I know that has ever "inner tubed" the entire stretch of river from top down to the lake (in fact I did Husum Falls 2x ). Used heavy wetsuit, dive fins, gloves, and a helmet. Now I'd love to go back and try to do the whole thing again, but this time make it to the Columbia River where the slack water starts. Water is extremely cold
😮 How long did that take you?
Beautiful exciting experiment. Snake river dams are next. I am concerned those reliant on the power and dam infrastructure will suffer. The pace of removals may exceed our ability to lesson the social and economic impacts on people. Change is always a double edged dilemma.
Read Mountain in the Clouds: the search for wild salmon. (I have the hardcover from the early eighties). A Seattle -Intelligencer reporter and Oberlin graduate . It calculates that the private and public dams built on ONE variance from a Federal official that didn't even have the POWER to authorize these builds (1890 to 1910) destroyed MORE Salmon and fish value that the electricity they created. BUT you can control and charge forHydro. Fish arrive and are free.
I was glad to see the dam removal. However, the narrator of the video and possibly others involved apparently cannot do arithmetic. They stated that in some years before the dam removal there was not enough water in the river for rafting. This is as if to say that the dam was using up some of the water. When the fact is that all the water that ever entered the dam flowed through or over the dam. So now that the dam is gone, there will still be dry years for the White Salmon River.
Please do more restoration projects and more videos like this
I have been there once and I'm looking forward to going back its so beautiful up there
Well done video. I'm curious to know more about the evolution of the sediment in the first year or two, and what kind of mortality did the river life experience. I guess that would have been a bummer to talk about.
How was the electricity replaced?
You'd have to ask PP&L, it was their decision to decommission the dams in the first place.
It fed a grid supplied by other sources. Pacific Power operates several other hydropower facilities.
Great to see that Salmon and Steelhead have returned(at least I hope Steelhead have returned too).
where did you see that?
Really nice project. Great doc.
They dammed the Dolores river in CO. back in the 80s. I was lucky to have spent a week long trip on the Delores a year before that happened.
Looks like it was a good for the local economy plus the river looks beautiful now. Maybe something like this could encourage other communities to follow suit?
Wonderful! Now you just have to save the Pacific!
It’s interesting that the Indian leader hasn’t been back to the site since the dam was removed.
I grew up just a bit west (on the Little White Salmon) so it is cool and nostalgic seeing this
I like Yellowwash's perspective of the dams removal. There are hundreds of dams all over Oregon or Oreconcent
Removal of the dam has proven habitat restoration helps river recovery. With time, indigenous species will return.
@Debbie ohmyorgan nonsense. Salmon ladders are a crude substitute. The northwest anadromous teleost have evolved to respond to those very conditions of drought and flooding. The biomass expansion and contraction of a R selected population.
That's something to be happy about. 😄
They aren't "white salmon". They are Chinook salmon. Which are not endangered as the video suggests. Only that they are not found in high numbers in this river. It is nice to restore the river, but the salmon component is misleading.
@@ericharmon7163 Give the salmon time to respond to the reopening of this part of their range...for generations they have been denied this, now give them time to realize they can come "home" again...but this only works if those of us who are "fighting" for regaining a healthy planet, oceans, lands, and atmosphere are successful.
@Debbie ohmyorgan this was not a drinking water reservoir this dam was built for power and it did not generate very much.
Love it, hope the fish come back like crazy
Thanks for sharing!! So beautiful would love to go down that river
Humans can learn, we can endeavor in harmony, earth is a paradise, if we can see it…
Looks great good seeing it run free as it should be
I almost bought one of those cabins in the late 2000s. Cheaper at the time. Kinda kicking myself that I didnt. Sure, I would have eventually lost a lake but gained a cool river.
I wanna know what the confluence with the Colombia looked like with all that silt joining it.
They needed to do some dredging.
Yeah! Woo hoo! Free that river! Great video!
The videos of the spawning adult salmon showed some had no adipose fins. Were they from hatcheries? Just asking!
Yes missing adipose fins means it is a hatchery origin fish. Wild and hatchery fish often stray, also wild fish are used as broodstock for reintroduction programs and the offspring of these fish are clipped but allowed to spawn naturally in the river.
The fisheries managers know that a small number hatchery fish are reaching the gravel and you cannot prevent it.
I'm concerned about the millions of people who live in Southwestern U.S.. Those economies where built on the dam, water, and power systems designed by engineers and planners at that time. A natural world would never have allowed for that kind of human expansion. With global warming, and depleting reservoir's with no end in sight, new ideas are needed now. Science may, or may not, be the answer.
If you mean carrying capacity when you say the natural world not allowing for human expansion I agree 100%. Here on the northeast coast all of our energy needs( food water heat shelter clothing etc) are imported and waste exported. I give a very simple thought experiment to high school students addressing this very issue.
@@anthonymorales842 Anthony; look up "Natural Carrying Capacity" I believe it is (roughly) defined as the ability of a given area to support a given species without that species negatively impacting similar needs of other species inhabiting the same area.
If that's accurate then, IMHO, homo sapiens has grossly-grossly over populated Earth. From what I can find it is estimated for the greater majority of mankind's existence (~200,000 years) our overall population ran between 5 and 10 million of us; it was only with the advent of sedentary agriculture that our population began to expand...then as more and more technology was layered over our population further expansion continued until we have over 7 billion of us now, and realistically (despite numerous projections "wishing" otherwise) with no upper end in sight. All of this has been at the detriment, or extinction, of every other species on earth; with the possible exception of cockroaches and garbage rats, homo sapiens has negatively skewed and screwed all other life on Earth as we blew past Earth's natural carrying capacity for our species.
Often I ask myself: just how many people would it take to keep all our advanced technology, and more equitably spread the benefits of such, throughout our population (ending poverty), while at the same time limit our numbers so that the rest of life on Earth could recover itself, and, Earth's ecology as a whole revert herself back into fecund health? A billion of us? A billion and a half of us? Good questions to posit to your students...
Are we supposed to pray as opposed to thinking our way out of the problem?
Science has to be the answer. But will we find it in time and will we know the answer when we see it?
@@tonymarselle8812 I agree, but just another larger engineering project will not solve the problem and only add to it. The answer is removing impediments to the natural way and letting life adapt. Instead of science, maybe we can use our hearts and minds, and figure out how to move everyone around. In the process of changing, maybe it's not to late to stop global warming.
@@jamesreynolds5045 It is a good question in fact it might be the most important question. Carry capacity are not absolute more along the lines of a dynamic equilibrium. Some would argue that because there are so many humans we have miscalculated the numbers. A good argument if such variables such as quality of life, sustainability, externalizing energy and waste demands and of course time are omitted. The abiotic and biological feedback loop i.e. where and how these demands will be expressed.
America, getting smart and doing the right thing...
I am not an "environmentalist," but this is what needs to happen to a lot of dams that have outlived their usefulness.
The White Salmon is such healthy river that the dam removal was a push. Where the salmon spawned was from the mouth of the river down to the fish hatchery, so when Bonneville dam was built the spawning area was gone. Condit dam had been built twice before with a fish ladder but both dams blew out in the respective winters. The 3rd dam built in 1912 didn`t have a fish ladder. Instead they built raceways around a mile up from the mouth of the river. The dam became the battle ground because it was the first of, I believe, 5 dam projects PP&L has/had in OR and WA and would set precedent for concrete dam removal. On a side note, the PP&L dams on the Klamath river are the ones that really need to go, but I digress. We were indeed very concerned about the contents of the lake and what it would do to the lower section. We were very surprised, in a good way, with what happened. It should also be mentioned that the recovery work done where the lake was has also been a pleasant surprise, hats off to them. I think the biggest peril the White Salmon faces now is being loved to death.
The Klamath river dams in California (Iron Gate and Copco) are being removed! Been a lot of pushback from the locals but it's out of their hands.
@@kennyboy019 about damn time.
The Kenai river in Alaska had a 2/5 King salmon(2 years fresh, 5 years ocean Chinook down in WA). They had 90lb fish being caught by rod many years ago. The sport guiding business gradually wiped out those 90 pounders since that was always a fish you would put in the boat.
Sadly way to many people don't realise that consistently taking out the biggest individuals leaves you with smaller and smaller fish. If fish over for example 50 pounds are beeing removed, then what is the point of the fish getting that big? Give it a few generations and they activly evolve to become smaller.
Awesome video!! Thank you for sharing the progress! Nice work!
The dam was removed,only for the river to meet the Bonneville dam, a few miles downstream of it's entrance to the Columbia.
If it even would? There's was no question of the salmon coming back or the silt being a issue. If there was they wouldn't have torn down the dam. Think about it. The river would move the silt down stream as per usual if they dam wasn't there and if the fish didn't come back they could always seed the river. It's not hard to do. The trees and plants will reseed themselves. In case you forgot just north of there is St Helens. In less than ten years after the eruption the forests were regrowing, deer and game were coming back etc. That was after being buried under several feet of volcanc ash. Is there a required class on hyperboyle for environmentalists? It seems to be their default setting.
Why was the dam built in the first place? power production? How do you replace that power?
They are all hippies so they do not need power, or baths...
Most dams of this size do not contribute much to the power grid, by todays requirements. Especially when filled with silt and gravel. As stated in the video, the costs associated with bringing it up to standards exceeded the income generated by the electricity produced, so it was primarily motivated by economic issues.
There are currently more viable sources of renewable energy such as wind and solar. Technology that was unavailable at that time.
@@jbbuzzable I agree and disagree.... Any hydro power will generally be worth it when it comes to having a renewable energy source. If it was less expensive to blow the dam instead of making viable, the question still stands. Did the replace the lost power with something else as reliable? Solar and wind do not provide much.
@@gw10758Just to put things into perspective. PacifiCorp, the owner of the dam, has plans to add 1,150 MW of wind power in addition to upgrading the existing 1,000 MW capacity they currently have. The Condit dam could produce a maximum of 15 MW.
@@jbbuzzable Yup, that is what I read also. Only problem is that wind power is not green OR reliable.
I miss my home state of Oregon. I moved to Florida when I was 16 in 1998. Florida sucks! But it is cheaper to live.
Florida sucks? Maybe you just have a bad attitude.
Anywhere can suck, it’s all about your mental approach.
Besides, you can always leave.
It is not cheaper
@@bobs3354 wah
Florida sure could use a govenor that cares about people. Now, he wants to be the US president.
@@kennyw871 You don’t think DeSantis cares about the people of Florida? Please explain?
Anyone else notice the fish jumping the falls @ 3:17 ? Looks like a steelhead or coho.
Good eye!
No fish are getting past that point......
The largest project is the Columbia River and the snake river. Hope the awhee is next and so to return another at least 500 miles of unobstructed water to Idaho and nevada.
As wonderful as that would be, The Columbia River will likely be dammed for another hundred years or more. We need something to replace hydroelectric dams before that will happen. Lets hope it doesnt take that long! It sure would be great to explore the river in its entirety.
@@theyard6958 just looked at google earth in a more detailed way, took a lot of time but I did not see all the dams without fish ladders between the mouth of the columbia and the confluence of the snake before I posted my comment, Damm sad, pardon the pun, I may be wrong but it looks like dams with fish ladders do not have fish hatchery but dams with no fish ladders have hatcheries, seems like an I'll conceived management plan.
I think we ALL need to embrace the ways of traditional native Indians and live off the land.. respect it they way it should be respected, nurture it the way it nurtures us.. keep it alive and prosperous so it may keep us alive and provides everything we as humans NEED ..
we need the earth a lot more than we need the technology on it
You're not going to see ONE SINGLE INDIAN living off the land like their ancestors did. You'll see them eating at buffets in their casinos or off federal government welfare but living off the land, not hardly!
I’ve paddled them former dam section. Very fun.
When will humans figure out that nature heals it self without our interference,preferably.
Great story. Did anyone else notice the salmon trying to jump the falls at 3:18 in the video? It’s where the kayakers are falling in..
[T/F] Some of the salmon would have to have been 'explorers' since the age of the dam would have eliminated the initial salmon cycles. Glad to see the fish coming back. How long after dying are the fish edible?
Salmon were still spawning in the lower river so they were never eliminated, simply reduced to very low numbers. Now they have the full river and a much better riverbed for redds. The salmon are inedible well before they're dead. Once they enter freshwater, they stop eating and every bit of energy comes from their flesh. Catching them soon upon returning to freshwater is the way the natives have always done it. Sportfishing for them also tends to only be productive very soon after they enter freshwater. This applies equally to the Great Lakes fisheries. The only salmon that doesn't die after spawning is the Atlantic Salmon. Steelhead (trout) will also return over multiple years to spawn.
@@TheMrMused Thank you. Very informative.
That was kinda my question here, was there a fishery at the headwaters (like the Salmon river in Idaho) or are these 'explorers' as you call them, I guess nature has to have some randomness to populate different rivers or even refresh genetic diversity. Perhaps salmon can 'smell" the water for breeding grounds and make a choice, the usual place or somewhere new?
@@TheJhtlag Smelling the water makes a lot of sense. They pass water through their gills to get O2 like we use lungs to get air O2. We have a nose ... maybe the fish have some sort of water 'taster'. They taste fresh water and maybe some of the minerals coming from the rocks and home in on them. Very interesting. Maybe has some heuristic value.
@@TheMrMused Natives used to catch Salmon at Celilo Falls after the fish had traveled for about 190 miles and 15 days up the river, so they were still good to eat after swimming that far in fresh water.
golly! way to go...
joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea
joy to you and me
desalination is actually pretty easy... there's lots of water in the deep blue sea.. enough for everyone... forever and ever.. if we take care of it
We only have one smallish Planet to take care of, y'all... for our Children
I kayaked this river a couple times a month for several years in the late 90s. The middle White Salmon section cuts through a deep and often narrow gorge. It must be experienced from the water to be believed. That is where I would like my ashes scattered. We always took out on the west side of Northwestern Lake, right after the bridge. Very pretty there. I feel bad for the lakefront property owners, but they knew they were leasing land that might someday no longer be waterfront. I support hydro, but am glad this particular dam is gone.
How Wonderful !
Thx to. All the Folk that made this happen !
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All dams which interfere with Salmon spawning should be removed. The Army Corp of Engineers has done much more harm than good by interfering with the natural flow of water all over the country.
In California, farmers are stealing all the ground water, so the Army Corp of engineers is charging taxpayers billions of dollars to “redirect” the freshwater basin. Which didn’t work.
So now, saltwater is now flowing into the California groundwater aquifers. That’s a huge disaster. But government employees can’t ever be blamed. They’re immune.
id love to see a follow up on this a number of years from now , like a decade.
Good for the First Nations tribes. Bring back the fish, bring back the bear, the wolf and the eagle
A list of ideas that might help.
Fish Runs saving Dams and Water Shortages
Update 7/4/2021
Do you have a nearby moving river or stream? You can now place a slow speed water generator on the bottom of the stream and make power 24 hours a day. The unit is called a Waterotor made in Canada. The Waterotors won't harm fish and can be scaled up to meet the needs of small towns or cities. Make the power miles away from the small town, sell the power to the power company than use the power to make water anywhere. Atmospheric water generators can make drinking water and irrigation water, and with a Waterotor, power can be made even in remote regions of the World. You just need moving water 3 to 4 miles an hour in streams, irrigation channels, fish ladders or even waste water outlet's. Garbage treatment plants can also use the power they make burning garbage to make water with atmospheric water generators and add storage tanks to supply small towns and cities. Adding Waterotors below dams can maximize electrical power made by any dam and replace power lost if the dam has a fish ladder or channel for fish to move up and down stream. A dam can be saved for flood control by adding these powered fish ladders and channels or notching the dam and putting in a flood gate to raise and lower the river during fish runs. Now people and fish can share the river. Note using the methane from sewage treatment plants or garbage landfills might be used to generate electricity for any water making projects. You might use your own City sewage system to make filtered irrigation water for lawns and gardens they have a system like that in my my small town. Note, what to make even more power? Then by covering fish ladders and channels with spaced solar panels decreases evaporation of the water and increases the efficiency of the solar panels.
A now overdue idea, dealing with forest fires. You build and place atmospheric water generators and 100,000 to 5,000,000 gallon water tanks on hilltops to protect your town. You cover the tanks with solar panels and add wind turbines to make power anywhere. You sell the power, drinking water and irrigation water, then by adding irrigation pipes down the hillsides, you can create fire lines that lasts up to 24 hours. You make these fire lines by adding TetraKO, by Earth Clean at a 4 to 6 percent solution to the water. Turn on these stand alone units remotely, your fire trucks can work elsewhere or resupply themselves with needed water. Fire protection, drinking water, irrigation water and stand alone power for any city or town in need. Here again, Waterotor generators could be used to generate power for the hilltop water making units. These ideas all can be done today, just search UA-cam, and then tell someone.
Obrigada pelas informações. Não sabia dessas alternativas. Vou pesquisar mais para propor em pequenas cidades onde trabalho.
All you people forget the men and women who built this country and the hard work they did. These dams serve a purpose. I thank the men and women who built the dams across this country for they are the ones that I put my hats down to.
This dam cost too much to operate. As for other dams they need to stay as Hydro is the solution to the energy problem. Create Salmon ladders and let them adapt.
You mean the people that stole this country
They did what they thought was best, not fully understanding the ecological and economic toll that would occur. We can undo some part of what they did honorably, because we are also trying to restore and enrich the locals and nature. To the best of our knowledge. If they had known what we know now, I'm sure some of the dams would never have been built
My dad, an avid hunter, often said to me: "Those damn Army Corps of Engineers can't stand the sight of running water!" Truth.
Great story , cheers from Oz
you would think it makes sense to first target the dams on tributary river downstream of Bonneville to create a complete dam free path?
That's asinine
What happened to the animals and plants that had moved into the lake area? Trout? Other fresh water fish? Deer, elk?
They probably died lol
The upstream fish probably came down to populate the lower bit of the river. Lake life for animals was a sacrifice for the original native river life which is more important.
I hope they keep removing as many dams as possible.
@@rockytalkndawoods3057 the Lake life was not
@@rockytalkndawoods3057 the native Lake life that had filled the niche as well as the local animals are less important than other creatures that spend most of their life at sea?
@@reginaromsey was not what?!
Artificial? River life is natural to a natural river. Native Salmon are extremely important.
That’s awesome 💯👌🏽
So nice to hear that the indigenous native Americans get first choice to buy any or all of it, after all it was theirs for thousands of years. Doesn't that sound a bit ambiguous to everyone. It does to me.
The "indigenous" Native Americans were wiped out completely by the current "native americans". Look up the Clovis man and the genocide that wiped them out to the last man, woman and child! Sure there were other natural reasons they were exterminated, but nature wouldn't kill them 100% without destroying much more of North America!
It's a gigantic lab experiment. The data collected here will be invaluable for future dam removal projects.
If I had to choose between an artificial lake or a live river in front of my house I'd definitively choose the latter. I'd be really enthusiastic too if I lived here.
i love to see 'em getting rid of hydro-electric power. in favor of more dirty options like windmills.
@jameshudson169 there is no such thing as 'clean energy'.
That was my favorite river to run in the state. Long drive from Seattle, but worth it. Would have loved to been able to do the lower part, but the dam was in the way, and Hussium Falls was the take out then.
That place is beautiful
glad to see condit gone
As a fisherman I'm not a fan of dams but I also like my electricity. If you want to buy me solar panels and electric cars send me a check.
Please share with us how you are using less to help out. Otherwise you are just blah blah blah.
@@brianskinner5711 you sound just like someone from the pnw
Did you hear the part about how that dam was no longer economically viable as a generation plant? And what makes YOU special? Maybe YOU should send ME a check.
Clown , a lot of these plants weren’t being used
Buy your own bub
bet there is some gold moved around after that
Not the right geology around there but if it gets you out on the river that's a win in my book.
When they released the water it created beds for them to spawn, the same thing gold dredgers do. If they {there too many agencies to list} would get they're heads out of their butts they might figure it out. Not to mention all the garbage, lead, mercury, fishing gear, and so on.
Completely destroy the habitat, now collect gold.
**Seems perfect... 🙄
@@kdigiacomo Have you ever seen dredging in progress or the beds it creates after the hardpacked material is loosened up? Have ever witnessed salmon spawning on the gravel beds created? I have, your ignorant to what really happens. The breaking of the dam will create new areas they can spawn in. If you think dredgers muddy the river look what mother nature does in a flood?
@@stlrsmike Nope, I live in the PNW and I've never seen a dredger and I also don't own two boats and 23 fishing poles.
My comments are sarcastic, sorry you didn't catch on. But yes I live east of Portland and I'm always on the river as much as possible.
This is an old video, has there been an update?
Awesome, now send a crew down to Southern Oregon and give us a update on the rogue river please
Where my spot is, it’s basically considered headwater I think. Mostly a creek from slow springs. Im just wondering if there was once Salmon in these areas and some natural catastrophe stopped it?
I would like to see what would happen if a few thousand Salmon minnows were released here. All I have now are white sucker fish.
Now for the rest of the dams!!!
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Man made man destroyed Mmmmmmm I bet the fish are thinking “Come on this is where we live🐟make up your minds
removing that damn killed every fish that was alive that day
Nice to fix one river. Too bad pretty much every other river in the area is currently damned, some of them in multiple places. Seattle and Portland use a lot of water and power.
Imagine if Tesla had been successful. The world would be much different. Most tech we use was created/discovered by Tesla. And stolen, for profit.
Try not to dwell so much on the negative things in life, Bub. Things like this take time, and besides, there have been many dam removals here. Also know that Washington has been the State leading the country with river restoration. We owe much of that to the wonderful Tribes that live here.
Really good film
would that also work for the colorado river?
Removing dams works for EVERY river!
Really like the thought and determination. The portion of the story that is interesting starts @ ~11:00 and further. So there isn't any data suggesting the dam removal actually played any positive role in the return of the salmon population? Did I get that correct? No need to play with word games.
they said it is still to early to tell and other factors like the overall climate change makes it hard to truely make a judgement
@@Greatdane12311 obviously you don't deal with professional speakers much. This is a way to leave in a positive note, even though its been over 8 years. There should be some data, positive, negative, or no change. My guess the re-evaluation period is up and they needed something to report, even if its nothing to report
Since salmon return to their place of birth only after 3-6 years, it's too soon to see trends. The scientists did say that for the first 2-3 years, there wasn't adequate gravel for egg-laying and thus no fish. Basically, they've only got 6+/- years of data so far. Not enough to make solid conclusions.
@@jenhofmann Breach Oct 2011
Full Removal 2012
2-3 years gravel buildup-2015 latest
6 years after gravel 2021
There should be something to report even if minimal information.
I have tubed that river before the dam removal. It is amazing.
They could easily drop some tens of thousands of hatchery bred salmon fry in the upper parts of the river like we do in Alaska to speed the recovery up a few decades.
So how many animals were killed downstream from the massive flood they caused...
2
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood more like 20,000 ...
I love to see the dams come down