Toronto Defiant are the LEAST SUCCESSFUL team as a Franchise.. - OWL 2022 Team Preview
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"I'm harder on this team than I should be." Custa summing up this preview perfectly.
Whenever they inevitably do power rankings they should do it with every single guest they've had this offseason.
That would be a large call!
It would be such fun chaos if there was like 9 people on a podcast episode
that would be amazing! Might be hard to plan and get together, but amazing
The Plat Chat Round Table.
That would be an awful viewers experience, I don't really know how many people that would be truthfully but it becomes extremely difficult the more people you have in a podcast to not speak over each other and to have everyone get a word in. This is why they almost always have 4 people on the podcast, it's the right amount where everyone can talk and get their opinion out while not being too many
Even though the title doesn’t make me the happiest, the Toronto episode being released on my birthday is amazing. Thank you plat chat :)
Happy birthday!
@@joewhiteman7443 Thank you I appreciate it!
Gratulierer mad dagan
We have the same birthday. Happy Birthday!
@@boomingbob1579 thank you :)
Thing is, Heesu is a low resource DPS, he doesn’t seem to pop off at the level of others, but it means you can bring in a high resource player (tank or dps) and still do well. I don’t know the other dps players other than a game here or there, so not sure if they need resources to succeed. Might just need all that support for the tanks :)
I think we are underrating Heesu as a whole. You really need to look at the team as a whole last year. Heesu certainly had down moments but compared to other top teams their dps are so much more enabled. No doubts Heesu is gonna pop off this year with a more competent team surrounding him like other great DPS out there have.
I think the tank takes undersell them a bit, Hotba is very flexible, and it seems like MuZe had problems with LA's coaching style. I think Hotba is a very solid off tank, MuZe has high potential, we'll need to see if he can unlock it this season. If he does, this team is outstanding. if not, Hotba is flexible enough and can pull his own weight.
To me hotba feels like a very good off tank for ow 2 where tanks are almost brawler dps
I think muze struggled at the start of the year but near the end of the year I think he really started doing really good
I don't quite agree with the "hotba was on 5 different teams across 5 seasons" argument, or rather see some counter points: I can't talk for 2018 and 2019, but in 2020 he did show synergy issues, yet nyxl did an almost complete rebuild the next year. In fusion, he got signed as an emergency pickup anyway and wasn't supposed to stay for longer anyway. You could say that him not working out was part of the reason why nyxl rebuilt, and being picked up as an emergency player isn't a great look either, but I just wanted to point those two situations out.
So on 2018 it's not exactly fair to judge him, because he barely played on Fusion, Poko played like 100% of the time that year. In 2019 he played for Charge and he actually looked quite good when he played. He actually mainly played DPS granted, but he did play some off tank and he looked good on both. In 2020 he joined NYXL, and while he wasn't great, that whole team looked very lost, like so lost a lot of the time. Like they did not seem to know what they were doing really. 2021, he joins Phili again and he looked so much better, he looked like he was on the up tick for the most part and him, along with Tobi who joined the team at the last second, looked amazing on it given their situation. IMO he really only had 1 bad year playing and that's 2020. Every other year he looked quite good.
To me you could make the statement, "this guy played for so many teams, he can't be good, he can't get along with people", but you could also make the argument "he's played for so many teams and is 1 of only 17 people (2 of which are coaches) who are still left in the league from season 1, he must be good actually"
Muze incredibly poor?? Cause his rein was weak? No one is saying Gator had a poor season cause he can’t play Ball. Gladiators were the same tier as Atlanta, just one tricking dive instead of bunker/rush. How is one ok but not the other? Muze was good.
MuZe still criminally underrated, hate to see it.
why do you gotta do toronto with the title like that😭😭
ch0r0ng is my favorite main support, so happy to have him join thr league. the backline of him and twilight should be amazing.
You know I think Johnny’s point at the end about the last season not being KDG’s vision and this being what the coach possibly actually more wanted could help them punch up
i kinda miss sideshow, but i love this lineup
21:53 legendary take from Johnny
I still have....some...hope for this team!
I am looking forward to seeing if MuZe can continue to improve. I know a lot of people are down on him, but I thought he did a great job with the Glads and was improving every single game. Sure, he was probably the weakest link, but if you look at the stats for last season, he was still holding his own against the top of the pack.
i would love it if owl at the end of season gave us a team of mvps in role rookies vs role stars
I posted this in response to someone wondering about Hotba a bit, but I think it's a good enough statement to post just by itself:
So on 2018 it's not exactly fair to judge him, because he barely played on Fusion, Poko played like 100% of the time that year. In 2019 he played for Charge and he actually looked quite good when he played. He actually mainly played DPS granted, but he did play some off tank and he looked good on both. In 2020 he joined NYXL, and while he wasn't great, that whole team looked very lost, like so lost a lot of the time. Like they did not seem to know what they were doing really. 2021, he joins Phili again and he looked so much better, he looked like he was on the up tick for the most part and him, along with Tobi who joined the team at the last second, looked amazing on it. IMO he really only had 1 bad year playing and that's 2020. Every other year he looked quite good.
To me you could make the statement, "this guy played for so many teams, he can't be good, he can't get along with people", but you could also make the argument "he's played for so many teams and is 1 of only 17 people (2 of which are coaches) who are still left in the league from season 1, he must be good actually"
If they had a more elite off tank and dps to partner with heesu this team would be cracked. or even if they just kept sado/Naist would be more interesting for the memes alone
heesu had some god games especially on the hanzo
even though i dont care bout this team having a competative league is the best for the most entertaining experiance so i really hope they can be competaive. this is one of those underdog teams that really are "defiant," even in their losses it's not really a roll over they put up a good fight
actually interesting team question mark
Toronto fan cause they're my local team. I know y'all pretend we don't exist, but we're always going to be here embracing the mediocrity :')
9:30 SPEAKING OF LONDON TANK LINE Hotba wasn't even supposed to play last year
The thing about Toronto is the do good but never enough to actually get a win I mean last year they about upset Atlanta to Hawaii
I still believe Hotba carries, always felt that way
You guys didnt talk about dallas coaching
Avast has purrdy cat
As probably the only Defiant fan out there the title is painfully accurate :(
No? They've only had an upward trajectory since they joined the league. Plat Chat just hates them as a franchise. Lots of potential this year.
@@petermain6791 They're biggest success is coming 3rd/4th in a tournament in 2020, unfortunately. I agree with you completely about this year, I'm very excited about this team! But they are by far the most forgettable team and have had the least amount of success as a franchise in the league
@@iplaydums As another comment pointed out, they've actually achieved more than the Outlaws. But Houston is popular, so....
@@petermain6791 If you boil it down to 1 play off win being the more successful team then sure, Toronto is the more successful team. I would say that Houston has had much higher peaks of performance in the league compared to Toronto, made more prize money, AND have a larger fan base. That to me is more successful. I am a Toronto fan through and through (I live somewhat near the city), but most of the time they are an afterthought in the league. They haven't even been bad enough to be a meme like Vancouver last season; just painfully mediocre since their very first day in the league. I'm very optimistic about this team and think that this is by far their best roster that they have put forward, but the franchise has had it rough the last few years.
at 7:37 I was trying to figure out if Avast's cat was real or not...I think it is....but I'm not sure still at where I am in the video
Toronto gets better every year on paper so I'm always excited about them, but they're not improving any faster than the rest of the league. I'm worried they'll never really be above average.
Bruh this title does the team so dirty lmao. I know they are, but at least say we're optimistic about them this year or something.
They should be a mid table team maybe
Toronto map preview and Sojourn Origin Story guess this is a Canaday for OW.
Rumor in Chinese social media is Chengdu Hunter owner run out of money, and many team players may either fired or accept reduced salary. Not sure how things will go but I hate this.
Players generally play under contract, which means if they can't be paid per the terms of their contract, they will walk away from the team, not be "fired"
These tank takes are atrocious. Muze has always had a good rein, no matter what Dpei says. Dpei also said OGE was better than Muze while Muze was still on the team. Hes delusional and you cant use him as an argument. Muze is nuts.
Nuts is a reach, Muze was easily the weakest player on Glads last year. He definitely has some proving to do this year
I mean it's been revealed from inside the team that the reason Moth didn't get any real play-time, was because Muze's Rein wasn't performing well, which meant they didn't want to play Lucio.
Your Rein being bad enough to the point that Moth, the best Main Support in the League (going into s4, not anymore) had to be benched, isn't a good look for MuZe.
@@nikhilchhagan7371 but he was getting better and better as the league and looked like his peak might be higher then oge
@@adamrooney5873 it was also known that moth probably just wanted to retire even custa pointed out saying that moth getting picked up surprised him because it felt like moth was ready to leave owl.
Plus they had space who was leading the team moth was pointless and they played better with brig Comp double flex last season. Last season was all about playing to your strength
Dpei knows more than you jack. Muze sucks and oge was an insane mechanical playah
I think that this is a team that could've been really good, but is being held back by a bottom half DPS line. Tanks are fine. Supports are championship quality. DPS line is just not as good as the other DPS lines in the middle of the pack. I prefer Yaki/Flora, Striker/Valentine, and even Naga/Glister over this DPS line. Still, the team as a whole is better than NYXL, Boston, and Paris, so there's that at least.
Heesu has been holding onto EMP since last season
You actually wanna trashtalk one of the best sombras in league history?
Might be a hot take but I have this team top NA behind glads and fuel
that's scorching hot
Hotba followed KDG. KDG likes him enough
Toronto is not going to be better than Boston, Boston is so underrated by so many people
Toronto Defiant are definitely one of the teams in the league. Mark my words.
This team will finish top 5 in NA. This will be their best year. This team is better than the Atlanta Reign
I agree with that they can be top 5, but I think Atlanta are #3 NA
Better than Atlanta??
Atlanta has a better Tank-line.
Kai, Nero, Venom, Speedily is easily above Heesu, Although, Finale
I'd take Twilight and Ch0r0ng over UV and Ojee though.
Overall Atlanta look a LOT better.
@@adamrooney5873 You know who else looked really good before the season started? Dallas season one, Valiant season two, Hangzhou season three. I wouldn't be surprised if Atlanta drops to being the bottom tier gatekeeper again.
@@petermain6791 agreed ATL was carried last season by pelican.
They will be bottom 5 because of the little 3 Muze, hotba, and finale
Toronto has S tier supports and C tier everything else
Toronto are the one team that I have routinely forgotten about since their inception
"Nobody will watch it" have you seen the shit that people from Toronto put up with? Have you heard of the Toronto Maple Leafs? 🤣
I smell a sens fan
@@jemo9389 no way it's Toronto or nothing which is why I don't watch hockey
mald
The takes on muze and heesu are absolutely atrocious
KDG is a bad head coach I don't believe TOR will success this year.
I had Heesu on my fanasty team last year and I had to bench him for literally anyone else because even on the weeks that he looked good, he still was averaging main support fanasty numbers which were always projected to be the lowest scores. Heesu isn't it, when you look at his numbers, they aren't good. He should had been bench for aspire last year.
doesn't pull fantasy numbers, must mean he is bad lmao
Toronto fans are gonna be malding after this one boys
Avast is a good host
do not agree
hype title lol
this one doesnt aged well
Gotta love the five Toronto fans in the comments getting steamy over this episode.
Toronthrow... this team doesn't know where she s going
I think y'all are overhype for a backline that's not going to be anywhere near well protected enough to reach it's potential.
Sure, the backline is amazing on paper. But this is OW2 and the support life is going to be hard. TD could be good, but my money is on bottom half. I don't think Heesu can/will step it up. Muze isn't flexible enough so I feel like anything but a hard ball/winston meta Hotba will usually start. But Hotba's more selfish, aggressive playstyle will leave the backline vulnerable and without a strong enough DPS core to reliably follow up on Hotba's aggression and confirm kills the backline will be under extreme pressure, die early and won't be able to consistently live up to their potential.
Nice headcanon. We literally have no idea how the game will play out.
Hotba is far from selfish there so many clips of him on nyxl blocking shots to jjonak shit even standing in front of them
@@petermain6791 support players in the league have already talked about how tough it is to stay alive in ow2
Houston Outlaws are the least successful. They've yet to win any playoffs, and they've been around since the start. They've had one year head start on Toronto.
When a team has a bottom 3 tank line but they say “league average”.
I kinda wanna hear this but Avast voice kinda annoying