I think puss wouldn't have risked sailing to far far away and then travel to the swamp, the stray cat shelter is his local safe haven, it doesn't involve this journey where he might encounter the wolf again. Remember, shrek could walk to duloc by foot, but they had to ride a horse carriage for more than a day in order to get to FFA. Beyond that, i think it makes sense that puss, at this point, would seek the help of a stranger rather than a friend. It's the difference between being some stray cat to someone who doesn't know you - and showing vulnerability to someone you know well, someone you respect and who respects you It would hurt puss' ego if shrek thought less of him.
There is a film theory video which covers this movie. Part of it explains how Puss living in Luna’s house is a major health risk because of feces but then again, who knows? Puss in boots is a fictional world. Film theory takes fictional movies and applies real-world physics
This is a great question. I imagine Puss would be pretty embarrassed to go to Shrek and his Family who've known him as this badass hero who fears nothing, just to show up shaking in his boots looking for a hideaway with them, and after the encounter with Death, maybe he purposefully went to Mama Luna and not to the Shreks because he didn't want to bring that kind of danger to Shreks family.
Oh boy, I could already imagine Donkey jabbing at Puss, making rude jokes about how he showed himself to be this 'better sidekick' and all. That would be funny in the next Shrek movie actually.
To be fair shrek already knew puss not to be very brave when they first met and he picked him up by his hair after he coughed up that hair ball only for him to start begging for his life
@@mikumika3819 yep. i think sheev misses the mark with his argument by not actually looking to the previous movies in more detail while making this arguments
2:39 That's exactly the reason. She wasn't unhappy, she was just so extremely fixated on her overidealized concept of family that she ended up pushing aside those closest to her. Now as to why she kept it a secret from them? Probably because she thought that they would discourage her from doing so, and yet, this didn't end up being the case. They didn't ask for a reason and then try to dissuade her with counter arguments like Goldi would've expected. This revelation might have been the final push needed for her to change her mind. I find their whole story oddly beautiful, even if I do agree that it had been dumbed down a little by the end.
I think she also kept it a secret cause she was fraid of them just dtiching her. Para and Baby were ready to be like "Okay then, so it's a goodbye". They were a family to her, but she wanted a "real family", and I believe she kept it a secret cause she didn't wanted to have no family whatsoever, A case of like "Until I get the REAL family I want, I can be with this step-family"
Disagree. I think The Last Wish establishes that Puss has trouble being vulnerable in front of other people and friends. Him going to Shrek or Donkey, friends who have seen his heroism firsthand and remember him as a legend, and having them see the fearful person that he’s become would be extremely humiliating and totally at odds with his values at the beginning of the film. By the end, I think Puss goes to see them not because they‘ve resolved bad terms, but because he’s accepted himself as more than just a legendary figure and as a person with intrinsic value. It would no longer be humiliating for Shrek or Donkey to see Puss as a vulnerable person.
Sums up just about says everything I wanted to counter-argue with, the first act of the film establishes that Puss has seemingly been riding solo for so long, consumed by the lust for fame and narcissism for himself that he fell out of touch with a lot of his contacts. Puss can't let himself be seen in any state of vulnerability because of the persona he fabricated for himself. It's through Puss' arc that he learns to value his life and the friends he has. The ending scene with him, Kitty, and Perrito sailing to Far Far Away solidifies the character growth Puss experienced because he's taking the initiative to go reforge and maintain the relationships with the people he neglected for so many years.
Some people out there don't love bothering their friends or even letting people who know them as there favorite fearless hero see them at their most fragile.
I feel like there are two reasons puss didn't go to shrek 1. He wouldn't want shrek, donkey, or Fiona to see him venerable 2. What's shrek going to do? Everyone knows that shrek's orange cat is puss in boots, so when he thinks death is a bounty hunter, he's going to think shrek is the first place to go
I like the 2nd idea better. Death wont be stopped by the sea and puss has made a bit of public knowledge that they are friends or companions. So im sure that if I were a bounty hunter then thats where I would go. Shrek and his kids (I think I dont remember the movies that well) would be brought danger by puss just to protect him from death. The same if he want back to his home town: obvious place to go and too much danger. Also even before that im sure he probably thought of shreks place but was simply embarrssed as is almost everyone elses theory in this videos comment section.the guy who was confident and brave and just a super cool and could do cool tricks would now be extra baggage to them as his glory days would be over. He mightve thought about his home town, shreks and some places where he could live in isolation.
@@mcstudioproductions3512 yes he was only after puss and wasnt a bounty hunter but at the time we didnt know he was literal death. After his first encouter we got that he was scarily skilled killer. And then when he hurt puss his mortality set in. Its only in the crystal scene where we find out he is literal death in the form of a wolf
It's funny you mention that second point, because I've been thinking about how Death and Shrek are two people who have actually bested Puss in 1v1 combat.
I do think the idea with Goldy was intentional to show her familial life as idyllic. I took her argument with Baby more as typical sibling arguing. And all that made the story better from my POV because it told me as a viewer that Goldies' desire for a human family was out of some misplaced sense of not belonging among the bears. It's why Mama Bears' line about making things just right for Goldy hits me in the feels so hard.
Well, about the "why didn't he go to Shrek and Donkey?" thing, I can infer three things: 1. They had families to take care of and he didn't want to impose. 2. He feared he would be made fun of by his friends because he's supposed to be fearless. 3. Shrek and Donkey could've had adventures of their own before or around the same time as this movie. I think the first and third options are more likely.
Actually I think 2 is the best option to work with. Not wanting to impose, eh, not really something Puss seems concerned with? But, Puss (in the first half of the movie) seeing those two as merely "more of my compatriots that I fought beside, but they still adore me from afar, I couldn't face them if they knew I was running away".. that, I can see.
Honestly I think two is the most likely. When has Puss ever cared about imposing? He is such a task-focused cat that he would jump into any situation without thinking anyway. And Shrek and Donkey having adventures is arbitrary as all hell. Puss doesn't like appearing weak, he's known as a fearless unflinching hero across the land. Why would he want to appear weak to his friends?
@@Starkstar502 What are they going to be having adventures for the rest of Puss' life? Are they going to say to Puss "Yeah, we understand you'd like to spend your last life with us but unfortunately we're adventuring and you can't come. Sorry." The reason is just like... it's just not a reason.
The behind-the-scenes for this movie is fantastic. Lots of content, the whole cast and crew shows a real love for the characters and the writing. This was definitely a homemade cookie baked with love, surrounded by factory-made pastries of today's movies.
For me the reason Puss didn’t go to Shrek was simply because of embarassment. They parted ways some time ago and it would be hard for him to show up to Shrek and Donkey in his lowest moment, when they last seen him in, in his opinion at the time, the peak of his glory. It’s also neat bc irl cats tend to hide when they feel unwell, so not to show their weakness.
Consider that the reason that puss didn't go to Shrek was because Shrek was at his wedding and when he left kitty at the alter he couldn't face his old friend, who is a big family man. He avoided going to Shrek because of the shame the memory of Santa Coloma brought him, and he didn't know if Shrek would accept him after he left. He can only return now because he has made up with kitty and no longer feels as much pain as he did then.
um no it's very clear that that flashback takes place before any of the shreks hence why kitty isn't in any of those film's and it was clearly a long ass time ago there are two possibilities 1 as we see later in the film he doesn't like people seeing him in a vulnerable state and possibility number 2 sometime after shrek forever after he had a falling out with the other's and abandoned his friendships with them to finally go back to chasing his dream of being a fearless legend similar to how he dumped kitty without actually doing so
It's possible that he simply didn't want Shrek and Donkey to see him in such a pitiful state. And it would be a much worse place to hide from death. Remember, he's trying to keep a low profile, so going to Far Far Away would have not been such a great idea from his perspective. Not to mention the old lady lived closer.
I don't mind Shrek not mentioned in the film and besides, Far Far Away appearing at the end and cameos shows that it took place after Forever After and not just a tease for Shrek 5. Shrek and Donkey cameoed in a flashback is perfect enough for me. I think that Puss left Shrek and Donkey to have some time to himself. Besides, since the film is all about Puss, it wouldn't do to have Shrek and Donkey take part in the plot so cameo appearance in flashbacks would do for them. I'm sure Dreamworks know what they're doing. Surely, you understand that.
I can hope that S5 picks up on this and explains it more. Perhaps they had a falling out after 4, or Puss didn't want to endanger them by attracting Death to them, knowing they all have families he'd put in danger
A good point people keep bringing up is that he would be much easier to find by the wolf if he goes to Shrek, but remember guys: at this point he still thinks the wolf is just any other bounty hunter; not the inescapable abstract entity that is Death. I think from his perspective, he stands a much better chance being kept safe if he’s surrounded by his friends, and whatever security they have, than if he’s found by the wolf in a cat house. Edit: Also the theory that he didn’t want to lead the wolf right to Shrek doesn’t account for why he didn’t mention them when the scene asked if he had anyone he could go to, since that was before the wolf scene
I think that puss might have probably abandoned his friends (shrek and the others) for a while now because of his narcissism and other reasons and he might have went back in far far away in the end of the movie to tie some loose ends and perhaps apologise
Would his pride not stop him from wanting to be seen that way by his friends? The last people who someone obsessed with their image will ask for help are the people who they'll interact with consistently, I would say.
As I said in another comment, the most probable reason he did not ask Shrek for help is that his ego wouldn't let him. He would have to show vulnerability to someone he respects and considers his friend. It would be completely in character for Puss to refuse that option. Though that doesn't fix the problem of no explanation being given in the film, of course.
Honestly I kinda see the opposite. If he thinks the Wolf is just a Bounty Hunter, it makes sense that his hiding place is a location where no one expects him to be; that being the Cat Retirement home. Afterall, the Bounty Hunter said "I've been following you for a long time" and went on and on about Puss' famous attributes. It's vague as hell, but in Puss' panicked state, that could mean the worst in that the Bounty Hunter knows who he's friends with too. However, if Puss realized sooner that the Wolf was Death incarnate and thus always knows where he's located at all times, then I can see him being more open to running towards his friends because obviously it wouldn't matter where he went.
He probably died in front of Gingy in a stupidly embarassing way, and was too ashamed to return to them, so they kinda just assumed that he died and buried his charred body. Also the personality of Puss in the beginning of the movie wouldn't allow for him to be contented with living as a retired sidekick next to Shrek so something like this must have happened.
I feel like this can be easily fixed in shrek 5. Also, I think Puss's pride and refusal to let people see his vulnerability prevented him from contacting the shreks; if you look at his interactions with kitty, he pretends everything is perfectly fine until his panic attack. Even then, he doesn't admit he's on his last life until he's about to make his wish.
Two reasons puss wouldn't consider going to his old friends: He doesn't want to put his friends in danger, and he spent so much time on his own did he doesn't think his friends will accept him when he's a sad broken old man who can't fight anymore. It's realizing that he was pushing people away, and the value of his newfound family that made him want to see his old friends again.
considering puss reluctance to even mention his condition to soft paws something tells me he would be ashamed to admit to any of his friends that hes down to his last life and lost his stride as the adventure loving swordsmen and chose to seclude himself rather than have any of them see him like that, makes sense for how he is at the start of the film and makes the cat sanctuary more a place to just disappear than anything else
I feel like him not mentioning shrek and all them makes sense to who he was at the time. He was a very prideful person and at the time didn’t even really believe that he wasn’t an unstoppable force of sheer willpower. It wasn’t until the run in with death that he even considered going to mama lunas. Puss in boots based off of his history enjoys being independent and truly believed that he didn’t need anyone else. I would agree with you if the scene with death had taken place before the doctor visit however.
I think it was because he was too proud to admit to anyone about the issue. He kept the part about being on his last life a secret throughout the whole movie.
The most probable reason he did not ask Shrek for help is that his ego wouldn't let him. He would have to show vulnerability to someone he respects and considers his friend. It would be completely in character for Puss to refuse that option. Though that doesn't fix the problem of no explanation being given in the film, of course.
Forcing myself to come up with a reasonable explanation; he knows something we don't that'll be explored in Shrek 5. Or maybe he was just really, really insecure and didn't want to admit to Shrek that he has to hang out with him the rest of his life so that he didn't die because that'd be an admission of weakness.
I think there's subtle moments in goldys arc that show she feels she doesn't belong especially her arguments with Baby also I think how the mum constantly re shores her could imply how she feels out of place. I also like that how after you realise that goldy feels out of place it goes from a normal sibling fight to him say she doesn't belong especially if there mums attention was put more towards goldy.
Gonna be honest this thing confused me a little too, seeing the way the brother bear was treated by his parents made me think he would turn against I thought that the brother bear would wish to separate from his family (like becoming a human or just "erase" his family) because their parents seemed to be very mean with him, considering goldenlocks their only daughter But of course, goldenlocks arc is still pretty good
I was thinking the same thing when I first saw that scene. I kinda feel that the reason puss did not look for Shrek is because he was ashamed for his friends to see him as a lap cat. It makes more sense that the legend did wan’t to show weakness I front of people who thought he was strong. And for prideful character as Puss was in the film I feel this was completely normal to not seek for his Old Friends help. But that’s just my opinion.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason Shrek is never mentioned might be because, back when the Puss in Boots spin-off movies were originally conceived, it was decided that they should be kept independent of the Shrek film series. They probably feared that if Shrek were mentioned in any capacity, that would be making the movie dependent on Shrek.
i believe that puss didn't want to be vulnerable towards his friends. for someone with his character it only makes sense that he does not have relationships where he can be completely vulnerable. also, he pushed everyone in his life away. you don't even need an argument for that. he could've just told his friends he's leaving for some quest or whatever. and then he does not feel like he could come back because he ends up alone, the legend he is.
Yeah the logic is sound. And what's worse it that in the alternate reality that most of Shrek 4 happens in, we see Puss in the care of Fiona, meaning that him pushing away other people to the point of being alone is even more bizarre since in that alternate turn of events, he did end up abandonning his life as a fearless hero seemingly without catastrophic causes. The more I think about it and the more your version of Puss having cut bridges with the Shrek gang makes sense.
She's probably able to be better to him one-on-one than a woman who loves but hoards cats - more individual attention. Puss doesn't get fat at Mamaluna's because he's competing for food with the hoard, his usual leche-rich diet has been traded for kitty kibble, and he's miserable.
"Shrek: Forever After" is an alternate universe. The events leading up to him ending up with Fiona might have been different than the ones that led him to events of the second film. In "The Last Wish", he felt like he was forced into retirement after recklessly squandering through his eight lives, while in "Forever After" there's likely another reason he decided to hang up his sword.
Honestly I think there's an argument to be made that Puss not going back to the Shreks is actually in character. The point isn't that he's on bad terms with everyone to the point of being lonely and miserable, it's that he's pushing everyone away to the point of being lonely and miserable. A nuance that makes all the difference when discussing what happened. His pride and ego were what was causing him to be lonely, running away from relationships he had forged to go seek out personal glory. As such, it makes sense that early on he didn't consider going back to them, but finally does after learning his lesson about what it means to live and valuing the bonds he has forged.
in my opinion it's actually because puss is afraid of commitment and connections, so that's why he doesn't think of going to see shrek. just my 2 cents based on what the movie established about him pre him losing 8 of his lives, mainly that he's a bit of a narcissistic jerk who thinks he doesn't need any help and is very in love with the legend (that walks alone)
Here’s my issue with this gripe, what seems more reasonable, that after his encounter with death that he would go to the lady who was just mentioned to him the day before, who takes in cats, looking for a place to hide. Or that after his encounter with death he would go “oh right I have an ogre friend who has an entire family to take care of and lives across the ocean and (as far we know) I haven’t seen in a while, I should go run to him so I can endanger the lives of my friends and his children while I hide from the only person who’s ever drawn blood from me” the more you analyze this, the more your argument falls apart, any reasonable person would not want to endanger the lives of their friends. Also you have to consider the way the mind works, if you are told about something and the opportunity to do that something arises 12 hours later, you are MUCH more likely to think of that, and probably take that course of action because it is fresh in your mind, would it make more sense for him to just decide not to go to the cat lady who he had just learned about and instead steal a boat and go across the ocean to hide with his friends who he hasn’t seen in god knows how long?No, that is significantly harder and puss just got his ass beat so he’s probably looking for an easier solution, like hiding by becoming a house cat. Not to mention then we’d be stuck in the situation of “why did puss decide to go across the entire ocean to see shrek? What about that lady that they said takes in cats?” I’ll end my rebuttal to your point by saying that although yes all fan service is technically forced, there’s a line between fan service cameos, and having your ENTIRE PLOT revolve around something that is essentially fan service, spiderman no way home somehow manages to do that without the movie being a nightmare, but if puss decides to go see shrek, I am 100% certain that the movie wouldn’t have been nearly as good, and we’d be complaining about the unnecessary use of shrek in a movie that is not about shrek. Great video and I’m glad someone had the balls to say there was something about this movie they didn’t like.
I think the reason he didn't go to his friends is because he didn't want to put them in danger. Imagine the wolf finding him and them fighting and one of Shrek's or Donkey's children getting hurt along the way. Puss would never forgive himself for that. So he chose a random stranger to go to. And in the end, when he knows Death isn't after him anymore he is ready to meet them again.
I’d like to think his ego got in the way of him choosing to go to Far Far Away instead of Mama Luna’s. That was before Death knocked his ego down a few hundred pegs, so he didn’t want to go running away to Far Far Away (which is a headcanon of mine, that he ended up in Far Far Away after he ran away from Santa Coloma and marrying Kitty Softpaws) and Mama Luna’s seemed even worse. By the time he gets his shit rocked by Death, he’s completely beat emotionally so he goes to Mama Luna’s, as he might think that’s where he deserves to go (as a bit of an overreaction). Not to mention, in Far Far Away he’s still Puss in Boots, and Death would still follow him there. I don’t think Puss would decide that Death (having still been thought to be a Bounty Hunter) wouldn’t follow him, considering Death states that he’d been following Puss for a long time, so why wouldn’t he continue to follow him. Maybe it’d be a cool What If story, I dunno.
2 reasons/headcanons why puss didn't go to shrek 1: the travel to far far away could've been long and dangerous + he has no way to get there, unless he would've stolen the governours boat wich would've gotten him to fight with guards wich he doesn't want to risk 2: he might be ashamed of himself. In all the movies he's with shrek he pretends like he's this big legend (example: him constantly fighting villains or striking hero poses all the time) but if he would go to him he would probably feel more shame then just to go to some random cat lady that can't lose respect for him
I feel like Goldi's arc would have been better served if she had moments where her insecurity of not being in a human family showed up. Like if she acted like a bear sometimes and other people gave her weird looks or she saw a happy human family walking around holding hands. Keep the positive relationship with her Bear family, just add stuff to show how her insecurities are driving her. You get the same arc that way while better establishing her motivation for wanting to leave her awesome family.
While seeing the title, I truely wondered what nitpick your'e gonna have with this near-perfect movie, so I was very suprised to find out that the trouble is not about the story itself, but more to the shrek cannon, really didn't see that coming!
A flashback of him having an argument with Shrek, while being prideful and boastful like he often was would have set up his character development even more.
Puss most probably wouldn't want to risk his legend status by coming home to Shrek and his family like a loser. This may actually reveal how much ego Puss really has. Even when he stays in Mama Luna and accidentally makes a friend with Perrito, he still demands the little pup to leave him alone.
I agree that this could be a weak spot. however, it seems to track with the many, many accounts i read of orphans with excellent adoptive families going to look for the bios, and ending up completely shunning the adoptive family, so it seems to track in that regard
The whole plot of the movie is about Puss seeing that his legend isn't above everything else, Puss says near the he isn't Puss in Boots anymore and he needs his lives back to live to his legend, he literally chose to bury his persona at the beggining of the movie out of shame, do you really think that it's in-character for him to seek help?
While it is a valid point, I may have four main counter-arguments: 1) Was he really a FRIEND-friend, tho? If I remember correctly, Puss was "indebted" to Shrek since he "saved his life". Essentially, I'm trying to say that he still was a hired sword, who was, as he thought, following his own "code of honor" so he stuck around to pay his "debt" and then left in pursuit of glory and honor. So he may have not even been close to his "contractors" in the face of Shrek and friends 2) Denial and hubris He couldn't think up of a place, where he could go because he didn't want to. He, in the moment when he was with the doctor, didn't want to come to terms with his mortality. He's a legend, a fabled outlaw - Puss In Boots, first and for most 3) Safety reasons and paranoia Why would he risk sailing over an ocean/sea/whatever to get to a distant swamp, when the cat apothecary is right there? Also, who knows what dwells in the deep? 4) SHAME If you had your ass beat so bad, without much effort on the part of the opposition, that you wanted to retire, would you immediately come to terms with the fact that you had to tell about it to your friends straight without any half-truths and sugarcoating? Not many would've or could've
When the doctor asked if he had anyone to go to and Puss didn't bring up Shrek, it's because Puss doesn't see the fact that he's on his last life as serious. He was going to continue living as he does and even tells the doctor so. The doctor simply did his due diligence and gave him someone to go to if he decided to change his mind, under the assumption that Puss doesn't have anyone to go to. It's only after the fight with the wolf that Puss is faced with his mortality and felt fear, and this is where he decides to high tail it and run. At this point he could go back to Shrek, but again, Puss just thinks a bounty hunter as after him so he wouldn't need go running to Shrek for such a problem. He can just lay low at Mama Luna's instead. When he finds out the bounty hunter is actually Death, it's a little late to go running to Shrek now as he's close to the Wishing Star to make the wish. And even if he ignores the wish and goes running to Shrek now, what good would that do? It's Death. Shrek won't be able to save him. This is a problem he has to confront head on or take the coward's way out with the wish, and we know which choice he made. The suggestion in the video is good, too, but I'm guessing they don't want Shrek 5 to deal with what Puss did to Shrek to cause the falling out, or have to deal with any kind of amends. Shrek 5 should just start with everyone on good-ish terms and deal with Shrek's problems.
There are two ways I can justify it in my mind. 1. We could say that puss in boots 2011 is a sequel to forever after which doesn’t change much. It just puts the flash back scene before Shrek 1 and the rest would be after forever after. And it would make sense of puss not going to Shrek. You know your friend or brother in law you don’t see for long periods of time then they come back outta nowhere asking for favors? I don’t see puss as that guy. I see donkey as that tho 2. You can look at this as a soft reboot. It makes more sense for me at least. As I didn’t see the previous shreks before watching last wish. Extra note. Just because they aren’t on speaking terms, doesn’t mean there not friends. It’s kinda implied that they aren’t on speaking terms.
I disagree. Puss has always had pride, so going to Shrek and Donkey, his best friends, would have in his eyes, made him way too vulnerable. It's not until the end of the film, that Puss fully realizes his mortality and humbles himself, when he realizes that he is facing death itself.
The last scene is literally a cherry on top of the whole cake. It shows that now Puss has better priorities, choosing to meet his friends than to just waste his last life on travelling to some random villages and pretending to be a superhero for random peeps (who cheer him up mostly because they are bought by money he steals and gives them back, anyway). Puss realized that this is not how he wants to continue living.
puss in boots 1 in referenced ONCE with the ‘I was there all along’ scene. I personally HATED goldilocks and the three bears, they were terrible characters, their jokes sucked, they sapped screen time. I have the bluray and I skip every scene centred on them.
I think the reason why puss didn't move in with the shrek's was either because he didn't want them to see him at his lowest, especially after he had left for adventure; or since as far as he knew at that point the wolf was just a bounty hunter and would either search him out there or maybe hunt shrek as well, I'd imagine most places would still have issues with ogres or would pay top dollar for a famous one like shrek; or it is a mix of the two
3:00, there was a moment in the film where Baby expressively left her out of the family; it was when Goldi got the map the first time around. Before her group made their escape, Baby said, "... you just got crime-ed by the 3 Bears Crime Family." A bit subtle, but it hints that Baby had not accepted her as part of the family. But to your point, I agree that the producers should have added more moments like that.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that the reason Puss was avoiding the question was because he wasn’t planning on going anywhere, since he showed no intention of even taking into consideration what the doctor said until after his fight with the wolf. As for not going to Shrek, since he thought the wolf was a bounty hunter, it makes sense for him to assume that the wolf wouldn’t be able to find him if he disguised himself and pick the convenient option that was close to him instead of going to his friend far away.
I get the feeling that Puss had an argument with Shrek that caused him to once again run away, and by the end of the film when his arc is complete, he decides to go back and make amends with Shrek, Donkey, and Fiona
The reason I think he didn't involve the Shrek family is the same reason I believe he left in the first place. Despite him being a hero in Far Far Away and local areas, he is an outlaw. And he probably didn't want to get the Shrek family involved in that since they have 3 kids. My biggest issue with Puss in Boots 2 is why kitty was so pissed about Santa Coloma when she herself didn't even go
Tbf, going to Shrek isn’t exactly the safest person to be with. He gets into deadly shenanigans all the time. The cat home was just a home. It was a guaranteed seal of approval
I feel like if he went to Shrek for help, the other characters would get the wish before him. Also, just his pride wouldn't allow to go hide to his old friends
Isn't that was the whole point, that he want to retire in the place where nobody knows him because he is shamefull and afraid to show himself as not a legend even to the closest friends?
This is a great question to debate, even the movie establishes the time that has gone by, I would venture to say between SHREK 4 and Puss And Boots The Last Wish that some sort of argument happened and/or Puss like SHREK did not like the repeating family routine and left to pursue a more adventurous life style. The rest of the story is summed up in the movie; who knows, they might explain it in SHREK 5
While I do agree that Puss was trying to play off or dodge the Doctor's question. I don't think it was because he didn't consider Shrek an option. It was very clear he wasn't considering retiring at all so being obtuse instead of validating the suggestion makes sense. Even ignoring Puss' vague response. That the bar scene turns going to Shrek from a unlikely possibility to a very likely liability. Hypothetically speaking If Puss was the best fighter I knew for miles that could take on an entire group of trained guards, a dragon & things of that supernatural nature. If the first thought he had was to bring himself to me while I have a family with 3 kids to raise, while still being chased by a "bounty hunter" that toyed with him and almost killed him. I'd regret being his friend. I'm pretty glad Puss didn't think to indirectly drag a threat that was super unpredictable and stronger than anyone either of us know to the friends that he cares about. Granted heading to Mama Luna also would send The Wolf towards another vulnerable population there are 2 reasons why that's still more logical than heading to Shrek or Donkey. 1. The Doc is the only one not at Mama Luna's that would know where Puss is, and he was told by Puss he wasn't gonna go there so it's unlikely he'd point anyone who tracked him down in his direction. If they some how managed to track him down. 2. There are a lot of cats at Mama Luna's. Considering Baby has a very impressive nose and still couldn't find Puss among all the smells. It's likely that a lot of other hunters would fall into the same brick wall if they'd made it to the house and tried to kill him. Without some magic malarkey like the Crystal Ball Jack has (which he had no reason to use on Puss until he stole from him). Mama Luna's house is the safest bet if Puss is looking for a place to go into hiding. Even ignoring all of that. Puss is way too egotistical ATM to retire with any former buddies.
Personally I find puss going to far far away to possibly see shrek, is because he’s beginning to appreciate his friends now and wants his last life to be spent with his friends, not because he’s trying to hide
I can't imagine Puss showing himself on Shrek's doorstep all like "hey some scary wolf dude overpowered me, I lost my sword and had to escape through a toilet, do you have a spare bed?" - this would be out of character, hiding among the strays works better than revealing the defeat to any friends, even if Shrek would probably laugh it off like "if it was my toiled you'd be out of lives right then and there".
I think the reason Puss didn’t go to Shrek was either a. He didn’t want to be seen as vulnerable or weak in front of his friends or b. He DIDNT WANT TO LEAD the fricken horrifying “bounty hunter” to his friends when there’s the possibility of them dying!? I think the second theory makes the most sense, in my opinion.
I can kiiiinda see what you mean with Goldilocks not overtly being discontent with the bear family, but I mean, in that clip you play over the point, that's Goldilocks getting along with them, because they're helping her *achieve* what she thinks she needs to be happy. They are useful to her. And ultimately, I *can* think of scenes where she's annoyed at them for not being as competent as she demands, when she hasn't come to appreciate that they're still working as one, which is the real thing to be grateful for. The point behind (and the humor of) the Hades edit though, I get 100%.
I had two ponders with this movie. 1: What happened to anyone that got "absorbed" into the star? Erased from existence was kinda implied, but... 2: If Puss gets all his organs, bones and etc back each death... has Kitty never died?
With Goldilocks, I imagine you must've turned your head to look at something or whatever during a brief shot that made her motivation more clear. Understandable; It's almost blink-and-you'll-miss-it. She looks at some sort of book or photo album that shows a picture of her with her human parents, making her longing clear. It all feels a lot like Meet The Robinsons, in a sense.
Actually, you can even play off the scene like Puss doesn't want to live with the Shreks because he wants to give them some space to be a proper family and he would just be imposing
Don’t think Goldi being unhappy with the bears would’ve been good at all. It works because she loves them but only shows discontent when she sees something she can’t have, biological parents. For not going to shrek, it’s probably because shrek told him he becomes fat when he retires under Fiona’s care and he’s not going if he loses his dashing hotness. It also could be that he just didn’t want to admit he was on bad terms with Shrek because shrek is popular and so is he. How could a legend ruin a connection to a king ogre and he needs to keep the lie that he has friends to go to even if he ruined the friendships he had. But the end doesn’t have him fess up that something went wrong. If anything my problems are actually the fact Puss and Kitty don’t ever consider bringing back Humpty when he died on good terms with them, and of course Baby summarizing goldi’s arc
Respectfully disagree, I think it's quite obvious why he didn't go to Shrek. The movie clearly shows Puss being an extremely proud person who has trouble being vulnerable. Going to friends who know him as an unbreakable hero would be showing weakness and, in the eyes of Puss, humiliation. Of course for someone like that it would be preferable to hide away at a stranger. At the end of the movie he's grown as a person and learned to accept himself, vulnerability included. He also learned to value his life and the relationships he's formed, so it makes perfect sense he wants to travel back and cherish them. I think adding adding the conflict you mention would sway wayyy to much to the direction of tell rather than show, which, as you've pointed out, the movie already had instances of.
I think puss wouldn't have risked sailing to far far away and then travel to the swamp, the stray cat shelter is his local safe haven, it doesn't involve this journey where he might encounter the wolf again. Remember, shrek could walk to duloc by foot, but they had to ride a horse carriage for more than a day in order to get to FFA. Beyond that, i think it makes sense that puss, at this point, would seek the help of a stranger rather than a friend. It's the difference between being some stray cat to someone who doesn't know you - and showing vulnerability to someone you know well, someone you respect and who respects you It would hurt puss' ego if shrek thought less of him.
If there was an novelization of the film. This will probably cover the reason why
There is a film theory video which covers this movie. Part of it explains how Puss living in Luna’s house is a major health risk because of feces but then again, who knows? Puss in boots is a fictional world. Film theory takes fictional movies and applies real-world physics
still, directly acknowledging shrek's existence in the scene with the doctor could've worked i think
This is a great question. I imagine Puss would be pretty embarrassed to go to Shrek and his Family who've known him as this badass hero who fears nothing, just to show up shaking in his boots looking for a hideaway with them, and after the encounter with Death, maybe he purposefully went to Mama Luna and not to the Shreks because he didn't want to bring that kind of danger to Shreks family.
Nice this makes a lot of sense
Oh boy, I could already imagine Donkey jabbing at Puss, making rude jokes about how he showed himself to be this 'better sidekick' and all. That would be funny in the next Shrek movie actually.
To be fair shrek already knew puss not to be very brave when they first met and he picked him up by his hair after he coughed up that hair ball only for him to start begging for his life
@@mikumika3819 yep. i think sheev misses the mark with his argument by not actually looking to the previous movies in more detail while making this arguments
2:39 That's exactly the reason. She wasn't unhappy, she was just so extremely fixated on her overidealized concept of family that she ended up pushing aside those closest to her. Now as to why she kept it a secret from them? Probably because she thought that they would discourage her from doing so, and yet, this didn't end up being the case. They didn't ask for a reason and then try to dissuade her with counter arguments like Goldi would've expected. This revelation might have been the final push needed for her to change her mind. I find their whole story oddly beautiful, even if I do agree that it had been dumbed down a little by the end.
I think she also kept it a secret cause she was fraid of them just dtiching her. Para and Baby were ready to be like "Okay then, so it's a goodbye". They were a family to her, but she wanted a "real family", and I believe she kept it a secret cause she didn't wanted to have no family whatsoever, A case of like "Until I get the REAL family I want, I can be with this step-family"
Disagree. I think The Last Wish establishes that Puss has trouble being vulnerable in front of other people and friends. Him going to Shrek or Donkey, friends who have seen his heroism firsthand and remember him as a legend, and having them see the fearful person that he’s become would be extremely humiliating and totally at odds with his values at the beginning of the film. By the end, I think Puss goes to see them not because they‘ve resolved bad terms, but because he’s accepted himself as more than just a legendary figure and as a person with intrinsic value. It would no longer be humiliating for Shrek or Donkey to see Puss as a vulnerable person.
thx bro, you just write my thoughts but in a better way then I would do it. Good job )
Exactly my read on the situation as well. Very well put!
Sums up just about says everything I wanted to counter-argue with, the first act of the film establishes that Puss has seemingly been riding solo for so long, consumed by the lust for fame and narcissism for himself that he fell out of touch with a lot of his contacts. Puss can't let himself be seen in any state of vulnerability because of the persona he fabricated for himself. It's through Puss' arc that he learns to value his life and the friends he has. The ending scene with him, Kitty, and Perrito sailing to Far Far Away solidifies the character growth Puss experienced because he's taking the initiative to go reforge and maintain the relationships with the people he neglected for so many years.
Exactly
Agree with this!
Some people out there don't love bothering their friends or even letting people who know them as there favorite fearless hero see them at their most fragile.
Lol much easier to just say his pride wouldn’t let him.
@@ninjajack2600 Exactly, it's so in character for him
It's much easier to say but also much less pretentious
And I'm anything but that
@@holbvgbbbbkfzunsure if you’re familiar with the definition of pride if you don’t think that’s what you were saying.
I feel like there are two reasons puss didn't go to shrek
1. He wouldn't want shrek, donkey, or Fiona to see him venerable
2. What's shrek going to do? Everyone knows that shrek's orange cat is puss in boots, so when he thinks death is a bounty hunter, he's going to think shrek is the first place to go
I like the 2nd idea better. Death wont be stopped by the sea and puss has made a bit of public knowledge that they are friends or companions. So im sure that if I were a bounty hunter then thats where I would go. Shrek and his kids (I think I dont remember the movies that well) would be brought danger by puss just to protect him from death. The same if he want back to his home town: obvious place to go and too much danger. Also even before that im sure he probably thought of shreks place but was simply embarrssed as is almost everyone elses theory in this videos comment section.the guy who was confident and brave and just a super cool and could do cool tricks would now be extra baggage to them as his glory days would be over. He mightve thought about his home town, shreks and some places where he could live in isolation.
@@mufinboi975 Didn't death want Puss and Puss only? He wasn't even a bounty hunter, he's death taking the form of a wolf
@@mcstudioproductions3512 yes he was only after puss and wasnt a bounty hunter but at the time we didnt know he was literal death. After his first encouter we got that he was scarily skilled killer. And then when he hurt puss his mortality set in. Its only in the crystal scene where we find out he is literal death in the form of a wolf
It's funny you mention that second point, because I've been thinking about how Death and Shrek are two people who have actually bested Puss in 1v1 combat.
And the fact that Shrek and Donkey have a family now. He’s endangering their families by going to them
I do think the idea with Goldy was intentional to show her familial life as idyllic. I took her argument with Baby more as typical sibling arguing.
And all that made the story better from my POV because it told me as a viewer that Goldies' desire for a human family was out of some misplaced sense of not belonging among the bears. It's why Mama Bears' line about making things just right for Goldy hits me in the feels so hard.
Well, about the "why didn't he go to Shrek and Donkey?" thing, I can infer three things:
1. They had families to take care of and he didn't want to impose.
2. He feared he would be made fun of by his friends because he's supposed to be fearless.
3. Shrek and Donkey could've had adventures of their own before or around the same time as this movie.
I think the first and third options are more likely.
Actually I think 2 is the best option to work with. Not wanting to impose, eh, not really something Puss seems concerned with? But, Puss (in the first half of the movie) seeing those two as merely "more of my compatriots that I fought beside, but they still adore me from afar, I couldn't face them if they knew I was running away".. that, I can see.
Honestly I think two is the most likely. When has Puss ever cared about imposing? He is such a task-focused cat that he would jump into any situation without thinking anyway. And Shrek and Donkey having adventures is arbitrary as all hell. Puss doesn't like appearing weak, he's known as a fearless unflinching hero across the land. Why would he want to appear weak to his friends?
@@senseweaver01 How is Shrek and Donkey could've had adventures of their own arbitrary? It won't show that they're not within reach.
@@Starkstar502 What are they going to be having adventures for the rest of Puss' life? Are they going to say to Puss "Yeah, we understand you'd like to spend your last life with us but unfortunately we're adventuring and you can't come. Sorry." The reason is just like... it's just not a reason.
My guess is that he doesn't mention Shrek and them because, like you said might have pushed them away, or he is embarrassed to ask for help.
The behind-the-scenes for this movie is fantastic. Lots of content, the whole cast and crew shows a real love for the characters and the writing. This was definitely a homemade cookie baked with love, surrounded by factory-made pastries of today's movies.
I could tell when I saw "Production Babies" in the credits. Never seen that before lol. Lot of care.
@@scooterjones303 I've seen that before, but only on indie games, which I think says a lot about how the production went out
Which is why i live this movie so much
For me the reason Puss didn’t go to Shrek was simply because of embarassment. They parted ways some time ago and it would be hard for him to show up to Shrek and Donkey in his lowest moment, when they last seen him in, in his opinion at the time, the peak of his glory. It’s also neat bc irl cats tend to hide when they feel unwell, so not to show their weakness.
this also encapsulates his character arc, as he moves his pride aside and returns to shrek at the end of the film...
Consider that the reason that puss didn't go to Shrek was because Shrek was at his wedding and when he left kitty at the alter he couldn't face his old friend, who is a big family man. He avoided going to Shrek because of the shame the memory of Santa Coloma brought him, and he didn't know if Shrek would accept him after he left. He can only return now because he has made up with kitty and no longer feels as much pain as he did then.
um no it's very clear that that flashback takes place before any of the shreks hence why kitty isn't in any of those film's and it was clearly a long ass time ago there are two possibilities 1 as we see later in the film he doesn't like people seeing him in a vulnerable state and possibility number 2 sometime after shrek forever after he had a falling out with the other's and abandoned his friendships with them to finally go back to chasing his dream of being a fearless legend similar to how he dumped kitty without actually doing so
It's possible that he simply didn't want Shrek and Donkey to see him in such a pitiful state. And it would be a much worse place to hide from death. Remember, he's trying to keep a low profile, so going to Far Far Away would have not been such a great idea from his perspective. Not to mention the old lady lived closer.
I don't mind Shrek not mentioned in the film and besides, Far Far Away appearing at the end and cameos shows that it took place after Forever After and not just a tease for Shrek 5. Shrek and Donkey cameoed in a flashback is perfect enough for me. I think that Puss left Shrek and Donkey to have some time to himself. Besides, since the film is all about Puss, it wouldn't do to have Shrek and Donkey take part in the plot so cameo appearance in flashbacks would do for them. I'm sure Dreamworks know what they're doing. Surely, you understand that.
I can hope that S5 picks up on this and explains it more. Perhaps they had a falling out after 4, or Puss didn't want to endanger them by attracting Death to them, knowing they all have families he'd put in danger
I was just under the impression that he was too proud to tell anyone since he was keeping it a secret throughout "The Last Wish".
well if Puss didnt want to endanger them, at the time he didnt know Death wasn't literally death, plus he hadn't encountered him yet
@@TheEPICMarioBros2 yeah, and a Bounty Hunter might kill other people besides their target in order to get to their target.
A good point people keep bringing up is that he would be much easier to find by the wolf if he goes to Shrek, but remember guys: at this point he still thinks the wolf is just any other bounty hunter; not the inescapable abstract entity that is Death. I think from his perspective, he stands a much better chance being kept safe if he’s surrounded by his friends, and whatever security they have, than if he’s found by the wolf in a cat house.
Edit: Also the theory that he didn’t want to lead the wolf right to Shrek doesn’t account for why he didn’t mention them when the scene asked if he had anyone he could go to, since that was before the wolf scene
I think that puss might have probably abandoned his friends (shrek and the others) for a while now because of his narcissism and other reasons and he might have went back in far far away in the end of the movie to tie some loose ends and perhaps apologise
Would his pride not stop him from wanting to be seen that way by his friends? The last people who someone obsessed with their image will ask for help are the people who they'll interact with consistently, I would say.
As I said in another comment, the most probable reason he did not ask Shrek for help is that his ego wouldn't let him. He would have to show vulnerability to someone he respects and considers his friend. It would be completely in character for Puss to refuse that option. Though that doesn't fix the problem of no explanation being given in the film, of course.
Honestly I kinda see the opposite.
If he thinks the Wolf is just a Bounty Hunter, it makes sense that his hiding place is a location where no one expects him to be; that being the Cat Retirement home. Afterall, the Bounty Hunter said "I've been following you for a long time" and went on and on about Puss' famous attributes. It's vague as hell, but in Puss' panicked state, that could mean the worst in that the Bounty Hunter knows who he's friends with too.
However, if Puss realized sooner that the Wolf was Death incarnate and thus always knows where he's located at all times, then I can see him being more open to running towards his friends because obviously it wouldn't matter where he went.
@@TVJUNK85 yes
He probably died in front of Gingy in a stupidly embarassing way, and was too ashamed to return to them, so they kinda just assumed that he died and buried his charred body.
Also the personality of Puss in the beginning of the movie wouldn't allow for him to be contented with living as a retired sidekick next to Shrek so something like this must have happened.
I feel like this can be easily fixed in shrek 5. Also, I think Puss's pride and refusal to let people see his vulnerability prevented him from contacting the shreks; if you look at his interactions with kitty, he pretends everything is perfectly fine until his panic attack. Even then, he doesn't admit he's on his last life until he's about to make his wish.
Two reasons puss wouldn't consider going to his old friends:
He doesn't want to put his friends in danger, and he spent so much time on his own did he doesn't think his friends will accept him when he's a sad broken old man who can't fight anymore.
It's realizing that he was pushing people away, and the value of his newfound family that made him want to see his old friends again.
considering puss reluctance to even mention his condition to soft paws something tells me he would be ashamed to admit to any of his friends that hes down to his last life and lost his stride as the adventure loving swordsmen and chose to seclude himself rather than have any of them see him like that, makes sense for how he is at the start of the film and makes the cat sanctuary more a place to just disappear than anything else
I feel like him not mentioning shrek and all them makes sense to who he was at the time. He was a very prideful person and at the time didn’t even really believe that he wasn’t an unstoppable force of sheer willpower. It wasn’t until the run in with death that he even considered going to mama lunas. Puss in boots based off of his history enjoys being independent and truly believed that he didn’t need anyone else. I would agree with you if the scene with death had taken place before the doctor visit however.
I think it was because he was too proud to admit to anyone about the issue. He kept the part about being on his last life a secret throughout the whole movie.
The most probable reason he did not ask Shrek for help is that his ego wouldn't let him. He would have to show vulnerability to someone he respects and considers his friend. It would be completely in character for Puss to refuse that option. Though that doesn't fix the problem of no explanation being given in the film, of course.
Bruh u don't understand do you?
Forcing myself to come up with a reasonable explanation; he knows something we don't that'll be explored in Shrek 5. Or maybe he was just really, really insecure and didn't want to admit to Shrek that he has to hang out with him the rest of his life so that he didn't die because that'd be an admission of weakness.
I think the reason is in the name "far far away"
How dare you, good sir.
I think there's subtle moments in goldys arc that show she feels she doesn't belong especially her arguments with Baby also I think how the mum constantly re shores her could imply how she feels out of place. I also like that how after you realise that goldy feels out of place it goes from a normal sibling fight to him say she doesn't belong especially if there mums attention was put more towards goldy.
Gonna be honest this thing confused me a little too, seeing the way the brother bear was treated by his parents made me think he would turn against
I thought that the brother bear would wish to separate from his family (like becoming a human or just "erase" his family) because their parents seemed to be very mean with him, considering goldenlocks their only daughter
But of course, goldenlocks arc is still pretty good
I was thinking the same thing when I first saw that scene.
I kinda feel that the reason puss did not look for Shrek is because he was ashamed for his friends to see him as a lap cat. It makes more sense that the legend did wan’t to show weakness I front of people who thought he was strong.
And for prideful character as Puss was in the film I feel this was completely normal to not seek for his Old Friends help.
But that’s just my opinion.
If I had to guess, I'd say the reason Shrek is never mentioned might be because, back when the Puss in Boots spin-off movies were originally conceived, it was decided that they should be kept independent of the Shrek film series. They probably feared that if Shrek were mentioned in any capacity, that would be making the movie dependent on Shrek.
they were mentioned in this movie.
This comment makes literally no sense
At least cameos are perfect enough as well as continuity placements.
i believe that puss didn't want to be vulnerable towards his friends. for someone with his character it only makes sense that he does not have relationships where he can be completely vulnerable. also, he pushed everyone in his life away. you don't even need an argument for that. he could've just told his friends he's leaving for some quest or whatever. and then he does not feel like he could come back because he ends up alone, the legend he is.
The only bad thing is that it feels kind of short I want to see more.
Me too 😢
Yeah the logic is sound. And what's worse it that in the alternate reality that most of Shrek 4 happens in, we see Puss in the care of Fiona, meaning that him pushing away other people to the point of being alone is even more bizarre since in that alternate turn of events, he did end up abandonning his life as a fearless hero seemingly without catastrophic causes. The more I think about it and the more your version of Puss having cut bridges with the Shrek gang makes sense.
That whole universe dosent make any real sense of you analyze that movie, probably the weakest shrek out of all of them tbh
She's probably able to be better to him one-on-one than a woman who loves but hoards cats - more individual attention. Puss doesn't get fat at Mamaluna's because he's competing for food with the hoard, his usual leche-rich diet has been traded for kitty kibble, and he's miserable.
"Shrek: Forever After" is an alternate universe. The events leading up to him ending up with Fiona might have been different than the ones that led him to events of the second film. In "The Last Wish", he felt like he was forced into retirement after recklessly squandering through his eight lives, while in "Forever After" there's likely another reason he decided to hang up his sword.
@@CYrageius no
Its an alternate reality without shrek. Ofc it doesn’t make sense in the whole universe as its a different universe
@@GatoConBotas403 I said that already
I hope we get to see the Shreck babies as more grown up fully fledged characters in Shreck 5
Honestly I think there's an argument to be made that Puss not going back to the Shreks is actually in character. The point isn't that he's on bad terms with everyone to the point of being lonely and miserable, it's that he's pushing everyone away to the point of being lonely and miserable. A nuance that makes all the difference when discussing what happened. His pride and ego were what was causing him to be lonely, running away from relationships he had forged to go seek out personal glory. As such, it makes sense that early on he didn't consider going back to them, but finally does after learning his lesson about what it means to live and valuing the bonds he has forged.
in my opinion it's actually because puss is afraid of commitment and connections, so that's why he doesn't think of going to see shrek. just my 2 cents based on what the movie established about him pre him losing 8 of his lives, mainly that he's a bit of a narcissistic jerk who thinks he doesn't need any help and is very in love with the legend (that walks alone)
Here’s my issue with this gripe, what seems more reasonable, that after his encounter with death that he would go to the lady who was just mentioned to him the day before, who takes in cats, looking for a place to hide. Or that after his encounter with death he would go “oh right I have an ogre friend who has an entire family to take care of and lives across the ocean and (as far we know) I haven’t seen in a while, I should go run to him so I can endanger the lives of my friends and his children while I hide from the only person who’s ever drawn blood from me” the more you analyze this, the more your argument falls apart, any reasonable person would not want to endanger the lives of their friends. Also you have to consider the way the mind works, if you are told about something and the opportunity to do that something arises 12 hours later, you are MUCH more likely to think of that, and probably take that course of action because it is fresh in your mind, would it make more sense for him to just decide not to go to the cat lady who he had just learned about and instead steal a boat and go across the ocean to hide with his friends who he hasn’t seen in god knows how long?No, that is significantly harder and puss just got his ass beat so he’s probably looking for an easier solution, like hiding by becoming a house cat. Not to mention then we’d be stuck in the situation of “why did puss decide to go across the entire ocean to see shrek? What about that lady that they said takes in cats?” I’ll end my rebuttal to your point by saying that although yes all fan service is technically forced, there’s a line between fan service cameos, and having your ENTIRE PLOT revolve around something that is essentially fan service, spiderman no way home somehow manages to do that without the movie being a nightmare, but if puss decides to go see shrek, I am 100% certain that the movie wouldn’t have been nearly as good, and we’d be complaining about the unnecessary use of shrek in a movie that is not about shrek.
Great video and I’m glad someone had the balls to say there was something about this movie they didn’t like.
I interpreted it more as him not wanting to appear weak in front of his friends, not that he didn't have anywhere to go.
Sheev talks is generally the funniest movie and series UA-camr. Him and high boi carry this section of UA-cam ❤
I think the reason he didn't go to his friends is because he didn't want to put them in danger. Imagine the wolf finding him and them fighting and one of Shrek's or Donkey's children getting hurt along the way. Puss would never forgive himself for that. So he chose a random stranger to go to.
And in the end, when he knows Death isn't after him anymore he is ready to meet them again.
I’d like to think his ego got in the way of him choosing to go to Far Far Away instead of Mama Luna’s. That was before Death knocked his ego down a few hundred pegs, so he didn’t want to go running away to Far Far Away (which is a headcanon of mine, that he ended up in Far Far Away after he ran away from Santa Coloma and marrying Kitty Softpaws) and Mama Luna’s seemed even worse. By the time he gets his shit rocked by Death, he’s completely beat emotionally so he goes to Mama Luna’s, as he might think that’s where he deserves to go (as a bit of an overreaction).
Not to mention, in Far Far Away he’s still Puss in Boots, and Death would still follow him there. I don’t think Puss would decide that Death (having still been thought to be a Bounty Hunter) wouldn’t follow him, considering Death states that he’d been following Puss for a long time, so why wouldn’t he continue to follow him.
Maybe it’d be a cool What If story, I dunno.
2 reasons/headcanons why puss didn't go to shrek
1: the travel to far far away could've been long and dangerous + he has no way to get there, unless he would've stolen the governours boat wich would've gotten him to fight with guards wich he doesn't want to risk
2: he might be ashamed of himself. In all the movies he's with shrek he pretends like he's this big legend (example: him constantly fighting villains or striking hero poses all the time) but if he would go to him he would probably feel more shame then just to go to some random cat lady that can't lose respect for him
I feel like Goldi's arc would have been better served if she had moments where her insecurity of not being in a human family showed up. Like if she acted like a bear sometimes and other people gave her weird looks or she saw a happy human family walking around holding hands. Keep the positive relationship with her Bear family, just add stuff to show how her insecurities are driving her.
You get the same arc that way while better establishing her motivation for wanting to leave her awesome family.
who knows maybe he abandoned his friendships with them like how he abandoned his romance with kitty
Shrek vs. Death:
Death: You know… your time isn’t quite up, Ogre. Buuuut… well, I make exceptions *frequently.*
Shrek: _Ye can’t kill a god, laddeh._
There's the simple explanation of his Ego and Pride.
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While seeing the title, I truely wondered what nitpick your'e gonna have with this near-perfect movie, so I was very suprised to find out that the trouble is not about the story itself, but more to the shrek cannon, really didn't see that coming!
A flashback of him having an argument with Shrek, while being prideful and boastful like he often was would have set up his character development even more.
I love elegant fixes that need a little dialogue change. Great video
I think this is my favourite movie in the shrek franchise
When Puss eats out of the bowl of treats or whatever it's like he's reaping what he sewed and gets from being the legendary Puss in boots
Puss most probably wouldn't want to risk his legend status by coming home to Shrek and his family like a loser. This may actually reveal how much ego Puss really has.
Even when he stays in Mama Luna and accidentally makes a friend with Perrito, he still demands the little pup to leave him alone.
I’ve heard that puss ran from them in the same way that he ran from kitty softpaws at the wedding
I guess he wasnt your favourite fearless hero.
I agree that this could be a weak spot. however, it seems to track with the many, many accounts i read of orphans with excellent adoptive families going to look for the bios, and ending up completely shunning the adoptive family, so it seems to track in that regard
“The story of a man…”?
Um that’s a cat my dude
The whole plot of the movie is about Puss seeing that his legend isn't above everything else, Puss says near the he isn't Puss in Boots anymore and he needs his lives back to live to his legend, he literally chose to bury his persona at the beggining of the movie out of shame, do you really think that it's in-character for him to seek help?
While it is a valid point, I may have four main counter-arguments:
1) Was he really a FRIEND-friend, tho?
If I remember correctly, Puss was "indebted" to Shrek since he "saved his life". Essentially, I'm trying to say that he still was a hired sword, who was, as he thought, following his own "code of honor" so he stuck around to pay his "debt" and then left in pursuit of glory and honor. So he may have not even been close to his "contractors" in the face of Shrek and friends
2) Denial and hubris
He couldn't think up of a place, where he could go because he didn't want to. He, in the moment when he was with the doctor, didn't want to come to terms with his mortality. He's a legend, a fabled outlaw - Puss In Boots, first and for most
3) Safety reasons and paranoia
Why would he risk sailing over an ocean/sea/whatever to get to a distant swamp, when the cat apothecary is right there? Also, who knows what dwells in the deep?
4) SHAME
If you had your ass beat so bad, without much effort on the part of the opposition, that you wanted to retire, would you immediately come to terms with the fact that you had to tell about it to your friends straight without any half-truths and sugarcoating? Not many would've or could've
Puss says "Today I repay my debt" in Shrek 2 when he fights against guards, so he repaid his debt and he stays with Shrek and Donkey even after
When the doctor asked if he had anyone to go to and Puss didn't bring up Shrek, it's because Puss doesn't see the fact that he's on his last life as serious. He was going to continue living as he does and even tells the doctor so. The doctor simply did his due diligence and gave him someone to go to if he decided to change his mind, under the assumption that Puss doesn't have anyone to go to.
It's only after the fight with the wolf that Puss is faced with his mortality and felt fear, and this is where he decides to high tail it and run. At this point he could go back to Shrek, but again, Puss just thinks a bounty hunter as after him so he wouldn't need go running to Shrek for such a problem. He can just lay low at Mama Luna's instead.
When he finds out the bounty hunter is actually Death, it's a little late to go running to Shrek now as he's close to the Wishing Star to make the wish. And even if he ignores the wish and goes running to Shrek now, what good would that do? It's Death. Shrek won't be able to save him. This is a problem he has to confront head on or take the coward's way out with the wish, and we know which choice he made.
The suggestion in the video is good, too, but I'm guessing they don't want Shrek 5 to deal with what Puss did to Shrek to cause the falling out, or have to deal with any kind of amends. Shrek 5 should just start with everyone on good-ish terms and deal with Shrek's problems.
There are two ways I can justify it in my mind.
1. We could say that puss in boots 2011 is a sequel to forever after which doesn’t change much. It just puts the flash back scene before Shrek 1 and the rest would be after forever after. And it would make sense of puss not going to Shrek. You know your friend or brother in law you don’t see for long periods of time then they come back outta nowhere asking for favors? I don’t see puss as that guy. I see donkey as that tho
2. You can look at this as a soft reboot. It makes more sense for me at least. As I didn’t see the previous shreks before watching last wish.
Extra note. Just because they aren’t on speaking terms, doesn’t mean there not friends. It’s kinda implied that they aren’t on speaking terms.
I disagree. Puss has always had pride, so going to Shrek and Donkey, his best friends, would have in his eyes, made him way too vulnerable. It's not until the end of the film, that Puss fully realizes his mortality and humbles himself, when he realizes that he is facing death itself.
The last scene is literally a cherry on top of the whole cake. It shows that now Puss has better priorities, choosing to meet his friends than to just waste his last life on travelling to some random villages and pretending to be a superhero for random peeps (who cheer him up mostly because they are bought by money he steals and gives them back, anyway). Puss realized that this is not how he wants to continue living.
his 7th death before the Giant might have endangered his Friends... he is the master of the Baking....
puss in boots 1 in referenced ONCE with the ‘I was there all along’ scene. I personally HATED goldilocks and the three bears, they were terrible characters, their jokes sucked, they sapped screen time. I have the bluray and I skip every scene centred on them.
I think the reason why puss didn't move in with the shrek's was either because he didn't want them to see him at his lowest, especially after he had left for adventure; or since as far as he knew at that point the wolf was just a bounty hunter and would either search him out there or maybe hunt shrek as well, I'd imagine most places would still have issues with ogres or would pay top dollar for a famous one like shrek; or it is a mix of the two
3:00, there was a moment in the film where Baby expressively left her out of the family; it was when Goldi got the map the first time around. Before her group made their escape, Baby said, "... you just got crime-ed by the 3 Bears Crime Family." A bit subtle, but it hints that Baby had not accepted her as part of the family.
But to your point, I agree that the producers should have added more moments like that.
I personally think he was too embarrassed to ask for help from his friends. It was a matter of pride.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that the reason Puss was avoiding the question was because he wasn’t planning on going anywhere, since he showed no intention of even taking into consideration what the doctor said until after his fight with the wolf. As for not going to Shrek, since he thought the wolf was a bounty hunter, it makes sense for him to assume that the wolf wouldn’t be able to find him if he disguised himself and pick the convenient option that was close to him instead of going to his friend far away.
I get the feeling that Puss had an argument with Shrek that caused him to once again run away, and by the end of the film when his arc is complete, he decides to go back and make amends with Shrek, Donkey, and Fiona
The reason I think he didn't involve the Shrek family is the same reason I believe he left in the first place. Despite him being a hero in Far Far Away and local areas, he is an outlaw. And he probably didn't want to get the Shrek family involved in that since they have 3 kids. My biggest issue with Puss in Boots 2 is why kitty was so pissed about Santa Coloma when she herself didn't even go
5:06 maybe shrek lived far far away like the boat shows and once death showed up he had to move fast
Tbf, going to Shrek isn’t exactly the safest person to be with. He gets into deadly shenanigans all the time. The cat home was just a home. It was a guaranteed seal of approval
He was tracked there within days by the bears
I feel like if he went to Shrek for help, the other characters would get the wish before him. Also, just his pride wouldn't allow to go hide to his old friends
Isn't that was the whole point, that he want to retire in the place where nobody knows him because he is shamefull and afraid to show himself as not a legend even to the closest friends?
Also I had to mention, that the movie actually mention that point several times in (mostly) subtle way.
This is a great question to debate, even the movie establishes the time that has gone by, I would venture to say between SHREK 4 and Puss And Boots The Last Wish that some sort of argument happened and/or Puss like SHREK did not like the repeating family routine and left to pursue a more adventurous life style. The rest of the story is summed up in the movie; who knows, they might explain it in SHREK 5
OR the Doctor askes about the Shreks and Puss quickly thinks about and shuts down the idea since he doesn't want to put Shreks family in danger.
While I do agree that Puss was trying to play off or dodge the Doctor's question. I don't think it was because he didn't consider Shrek an option. It was very clear he wasn't considering retiring at all so being obtuse instead of validating the suggestion makes sense.
Even ignoring Puss' vague response.
That the bar scene turns going to Shrek from a unlikely possibility to a very likely liability.
Hypothetically speaking
If Puss was the best fighter I knew for miles that could take on an entire group of trained guards, a dragon & things of that supernatural nature.
If the first thought he had was to bring himself to me while I have a family with 3 kids to raise, while still being chased by a "bounty hunter" that toyed with him and almost killed him.
I'd regret being his friend.
I'm pretty glad Puss didn't think to indirectly drag a threat that was super unpredictable and stronger than anyone either of us know to the friends that he cares about.
Granted heading to Mama Luna also would send The Wolf towards another vulnerable population there are 2 reasons why that's still more logical than heading to Shrek or Donkey.
1. The Doc is the only one not at Mama Luna's that would know where Puss is, and he was told by Puss he wasn't gonna go there so it's unlikely he'd point anyone who tracked him down in his direction. If they some how managed to track him down.
2. There are a lot of cats at Mama Luna's. Considering Baby has a very impressive nose and still couldn't find Puss among all the smells. It's likely that a lot of other hunters would fall into the same brick wall if they'd made it to the house and tried to kill him.
Without some magic malarkey like the Crystal Ball Jack has (which he had no reason to use on Puss until he stole from him).
Mama Luna's house is the safest bet if Puss is looking for a place to go into hiding.
Even ignoring all of that.
Puss is way too egotistical ATM to retire with any former buddies.
My problem is that he didnt even remember the three diablos
Personally I find puss going to far far away to possibly see shrek, is because he’s beginning to appreciate his friends now and wants his last life to be spent with his friends, not because he’s trying to hide
I really hope they build on this concept. It would be great to see why puss dipped out on the shreks
I can't imagine Puss showing himself on Shrek's doorstep all like "hey some scary wolf dude overpowered me, I lost my sword and had to escape through a toilet, do you have a spare bed?" - this would be out of character, hiding among the strays works better than revealing the defeat to any friends, even if Shrek would probably laugh it off like "if it was my toiled you'd be out of lives right then and there".
I'm pretty sure that they'll address all of this in Shrek 5. We'll just have to wait and see.
I think the reason Puss didn’t go to Shrek was either
a. He didn’t want to be seen as vulnerable or weak in front of his friends or
b. He DIDNT WANT TO LEAD the fricken horrifying “bounty hunter” to his friends when there’s the possibility of them dying!?
I think the second theory makes the most sense, in my opinion.
I think he didn't want to bring the Wolf to his friends
that is a very good point I also wondered why didn't Puss mention Shrek and Donkey
This movie has a crap ton of inconsistencies and flaws, but I still like it.
I can kiiiinda see what you mean with Goldilocks not overtly being discontent with the bear family, but I mean, in that clip you play over the point, that's Goldilocks getting along with them, because they're helping her *achieve* what she thinks she needs to be happy. They are useful to her. And ultimately, I *can* think of scenes where she's annoyed at them for not being as competent as she demands, when she hasn't come to appreciate that they're still working as one, which is the real thing to be grateful for.
The point behind (and the humor of) the Hades edit though, I get 100%.
He didn't wanna involve Shrek
Maybe he's going to apologise to Shrek
I had two ponders with this movie.
1: What happened to anyone that got "absorbed" into the star? Erased from existence was kinda implied, but...
2: If Puss gets all his organs, bones and etc back each death... has Kitty never died?
i think Puss would be ashamed to appear to shrek and his friends as a scared cat, instead of the legend he presented himself from the beginning.
UA-cam before I watch Puss in Boots 2: "Is Puss in Boots 2 the best animation film ever made?"
UA-cam after I watched it:
With Goldilocks, I imagine you must've turned your head to look at something or whatever during a brief shot that made her motivation more clear. Understandable; It's almost blink-and-you'll-miss-it. She looks at some sort of book or photo album that shows a picture of her with her human parents, making her longing clear. It all feels a lot like Meet The Robinsons, in a sense.
Actually, you can even play off the scene like Puss doesn't want to live with the Shreks because he wants to give them some space to be a proper family and he would just be imposing
i just think shrek was to far far away lol
Don’t think Goldi being unhappy with the bears would’ve been good at all. It works because she loves them but only shows discontent when she sees something she can’t have, biological parents.
For not going to shrek, it’s probably because shrek told him he becomes fat when he retires under Fiona’s care and he’s not going if he loses his dashing hotness. It also could be that he just didn’t want to admit he was on bad terms with Shrek because shrek is popular and so is he. How could a legend ruin a connection to a king ogre and he needs to keep the lie that he has friends to go to even if he ruined the friendships he had. But the end doesn’t have him fess up that something went wrong.
If anything my problems are actually the fact Puss and Kitty don’t ever consider bringing back Humpty when he died on good terms with them, and of course Baby summarizing goldi’s arc
My only problem with the movie is that Jack doesn’t have enough screen time
We needed a flashback of puss leaves shrek and donkey to go off on his own
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Respectfully disagree, I think it's quite obvious why he didn't go to Shrek. The movie clearly shows Puss being an extremely proud person who has trouble being vulnerable. Going to friends who know him as an unbreakable hero would be showing weakness and, in the eyes of Puss, humiliation. Of course for someone like that it would be preferable to hide away at a stranger. At the end of the movie he's grown as a person and learned to accept himself, vulnerability included. He also learned to value his life and the relationships he's formed, so it makes perfect sense he wants to travel back and cherish them. I think adding adding the conflict you mention would sway wayyy to much to the direction of tell rather than show, which, as you've pointed out, the movie already had instances of.
did Shrek and Donkey knew him as an unbreakable hero though? When they first met him, he was a skilled bounty hunter and then simply became friend