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Ducati 1199 Panigale vs BMW S1000RR and Aprilia RSV4 APRC
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2012
- It's a sad fact for speed freaks that superbike sales have slipped in recent years, while things like naked and adventure bikes are on the up.
So can one of the most exciting, talked-about motorcycles this year - the Ducati Panigale - reignite our passion for all things very fast?
Ducati certainly hope so and have thrown the kitchen sink at the new flagship superbike.
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I have ridden all three bikes and owned two, the bmw is quick but to me lacks charisma, I owned the aprilia rsv4 aprc which was a fantastic bike, but I traded it for the ducati 1199. The ducati has character, and is quicker than the rsv4, it is much lighter as well by about 20kg and has a stronger hp so the power to weight ratio is awesome! Basically its like having the power of a litre bike in a 600 body, its also stunningly gorgeous and better finished, its the experience it gives you which is basically riding a bike with personality which sets this bike apart from the other two awesome bikes. But thats just my taste and opinion as someone who has experienced all three bikes.
A non-biking friend of mine heard the RSV4 when the dealer started it up for him and my friend said "holy crap you can feel that thing in your chest!"
4:16 "I have always enjoyed riding the twins" Ha ha, Neil!
I'd take the RSV4.. something about that engine is just awesome :)
The Ducati kicks both their asses on looks, but you can't beat the BMW's speed and performance. The engineering in that bike is simply immense!
Thumbs up to MCN. Proper video (and sound), proper comparison of the bikes. Thanks MCN!
I must say, I just bought a 2012 s1000rr...I love it. I've had Jap bikes forever, even though the Beamer is about 3-4k more in price, it's worth it. It's a Euro bike with all the trim'ns at a fraction of the Euro price. You can't lose with it, and look how it's dominating world superbike.
As a current BMW car owner it feels good to know the bikes they make are the best, as a motorcycle rider (I ride a 2007 YZFR-6 and a naked SV650s) I really wanted Ducati to come up on top, can't explain it. Great job MCN your videos are informative and well shot.
The Ducati 1199 is not just the sexiest of the bunch, it is a technical achievement far beyond anything that any other bike manufacturer can hope to achieve in the next couple of years. MCN knows this. They also know that other bike reviewers will have the Ducati as the clear winner. They just want to stand out among the crowd of reviewers by showing the audience that they can focus on details without getting swept away by the sexy. Just covering for past credibility issues.
these guys aren't Aprilia fans but I'm glad the comments realize its just their opinon.
Before watching this video, i wana thank MCN for these bikes comparison. I was waiting for this video for a long time :)
Those front disc on the ducati are huge.
MCN SUX!!
Last in 2011,the rsv4 aprc was the best bike of the superbike shootout and even though nothing has changed on the rsv4 and neither at the bmw!!
SO HOW THE FUCK COULD BMW BE BETTER THIS YEAR WTIH LAST YEARS BIKE?
This is why MCN rocks, comprehensive reviews with qualityu commentary.
Diffirent strokes for diffirent folks,if they could make a bike that goes like the bmw looks like the duc and sounds like the V4 that would be the ultimate bike, as it stands the V4 for me is the best it just makes me smile more than the other two and for my needs it is perfect.
The Aprilia is by far the nicest. IMO.
Yea, only MV does a rear end like that.
Sick bikes in this video.
Not that poor. The k5-6 gsxr 1000 was and still is one of the finest liter bikes ever made, just ask any major motorcycling magazine. It's so good in fact, that it was used as a comparison base when the s1000rr was being developed. You still have an awesome bike.
My BMW s1000rr license plates are "CLEAN AF" .
The quality on these reviews have definitely gone up. Good job.
i Drive a aprilia rsv1000r 07, and i realy want that rsv4 when i have the money ! love that v4 sound
You can drive your car 365 days a year and carry groceries/kids in it. For a lot of people in the world, $15k is a lot for only being able to ride it half the year and then the additional costs of being able to store it properly, keeping it serviced, etc. Not to mention, parts are also insanely expensive for this level of bike.
Another superb little vid, Mickey! Many thanks and keep up the good work!
MCN where have you been? You have been missed greatly!!
What are you talking about? I can hear them fine. They have made major improvements on the audio compared to 2-3 years ago.
Great group test but you know what's better? Not hearing wind noise all the time :P Please keep up this level of production value now MCN!
No one can make better then Ducati in making of motorcycles.
Aprilia...FTW!!!! Although in the canyons today the Panigale is a beast.
Love the 2 blokes at 3:30 who know whats up and are rubber-necking looking at those bikes as if they were Ferraris! Apart from the noise, most people wouldn't even notice that this £50k's worth of bikes were any different from £25k's worth of Suzukis!
Im planning on never getting rid of K5 as well. Although the allure of all this new technology is tempting, im very satisfied.
just got back from track day. all the fancy bikes were bringing up the rear. looking all fancy and slow.
MCN HAS IMPROVED ALOT. Bmw is really a huge company to compete with, but my heart goes out to ducati.
I just love when there's a clash of titans in the motorcycle world. All beautiful, and of course, European are still a heart-stopper.
might be a weird question but what watch was the guy on the right at the end wearing?
Absolutely correct. The RS4 is a pretty impressive copy of it's bigger brother.
I just love the way the Ducati looks
I am 67 years old, and will take on anyone not from East Tennessee or Western North Carolina on my trusty CBR900RR. If you are from Florida, I'll ride my CBR 600 F2.
(When I was a child of 47, I set the lap record on the first CBR 900, but only until others showed up on this bike.)
It's all relative and all fun.
Im´ not a bike enthusiast bit i still like to see whats going on. This review was fine, thou I miss to see the Bikes a bit more. Would suggest to to get some good low cam shots on tarmac with a simple background to frame the bikes well - Add some graphics with the stats including price etc.This would help giving the review a bit more personality. Anyway Thanks :)
It's been a long time since Ducati made a proper production bike below 600cc. Modern Ducati is about V engines with plenty of torque. What is a Ducati without that booming V sound?
Perhaps things will change, now that they're owned by Audi.
Aprilia made their name in 125 and 250 GP racing, so it makes sense for them to stick with it. Plus the RS125/RS250 is still a much loved bike. Coincidentally I just bought an RSV4 and was shocked by how similar the RS4 (125) looks, until you get close up.
The three Queens of Europe, and the world! Good job, Neevie!
It appears that the best supersport track bike is still the BMW, they did an excellent job balancing everything, great great bike.
MCN, could we have closed captions for those of us in a quiet work environment?
RSV4 for me. V4, looks awesome, feels awesome. Is awesome. But if I'm honest, it'll be the Tuono v4r that I buy.
This is awesome. But it would be even better if we could have some more contestants, and some numbers. =)
They are mate, but its going to be based massively on the Honda RC213V race bike not the classic RC30...(basically a tuned down version) apparently. But expect to pay over $100k.
Pretty unbelievable that BMW not having ever had a real Superbike was able to come out with the S1000rr which has completely turned the competition upside down. Good old German Engineering!
You sir are a genius. KTM looks awesome and youre right, they should do more shootouts, I just told my father about the zx10 and BMW's speed catching up to the aprillia. AND I LOVE THE RSV4 my dad has 2 1000cc aprillias and i have the rs 125 APRilia is awesome .
the wind just love MCN mic........
The rider geometry of the 1199 looks SO much better than the 1198.
Is that an F4 in the background at 3.07 ?
Ducati panigale is easily the most beautiful bike ever made!
Aprilia's race ECU and Bazzazz and goof can adds 25hp but for a boat load of money.
Hodgson is a great addition to the MCN team!
i was thinking to get one and do the same but i think i'll go with the ducati for now - i ride for fun and 1/10th of a second on a track or 2 mph more isn't a big deal to me
That Duc is sexy as hell but If my hard earned cash is going down I'm taking the BMW as well. It's still an excellent looking machine, great power and electronics package. Unfortunately I'm poor and still riding my K5 Gsxr 1000 but i love it too!!
Disagree. Mercedes used to sell the approx £300k SLR the same time they sold a £15k A class, and today they sell the £150k SLS while also selling the £25k A Class, not to mention the £15k Smart ForTwo.
so when will we FINALLY start seeing reviews on interesting european motocross and enduro 450 class and two stroke bikes like Benelli, Ossa, Husaberg, Husqvarna, TM, BMW, Aprilia?
IT,S A BLESSING TO LISTEN YOUR REVIEWS
I think the revamped RS125 is called RS4 to differentiate it from the two-stroke version, and because its a replica of the RSV4. Or am I wrong?
A very well done test and review !
Thank you for the great review Michael , an everyone at MCN, I have been waiting for the review on the top three new models. I love my RSV4, (engine is why I bought mine). Cheers.
i hope honda would build a new V4 like in the past, like the old rc30 which had a lot of success! a new version of the cbr 1000rr , but v4 , like the motogp prototype
This is Pergusa race track in Sicily:) Nice I went there a few time it's a very fast circuit....I'm very curious to know their lap time!
Ducati 1199 is the bike that makes me want to learn how to ride and own a Ducati. ( i will learn on a cheaper bike though !!! ) !
Five years ago who would have thought a BMW would beat a Ducati on a track?
Well, there are more factors than that of speed involved in designing a bike. If speed was everything, then pretty much all of the worlds sports bikes would be neck and neck, like they are in professional racing.
If you could find a way to get 25-30 hp out of a fully built engine, they'd be winning WSBK with the right riders. The thing handles like a scalpel, but is down on power quite a bit. The Ducati is in a similar boat; think Checa at Monza, where he is left for dead down that runway-for-a-straight!
The RC8R is a severely under-appreciated bike.
waited long for this.. It's worth it.
MAN WITH BIKES LIKE THIS MV-AGUSTA needs to do something quick!!!
Cool stuff, but like you wrote - motorcyclists seem to be maturing, and if we aren't doing track days then there are so many other bikes that are striking on their own terms for the ways we can, and do, ride. If I had the money I'd buy the Ducati and hang it up on a wall - I'm sure it's nice. If I have the time to ride, and don't want to haul bikes or risk losing 20-grand at a track day, then I need something that leaves my house and hits whatever I want to see... with gear and a tent.
I would love to ride these one day!
I wonder what the red lines and final gear ratios are in each gear for each of these bikes. That might tell the tale with respect to the BMW's advantage. That i4 is known for great overrev, but what's the tq at the wheel when you take into account the different gearing these things have....
If you do that there's no competition at all.
i like this channel and all, but it bothers me that they don't test any bikes that are not as fast as the speed of light. I mean comon, i'm sure most people here can't afford those.
I'm sorry but what's the name of the track?
Don't know much about bikes but i just checked the price for the BMW motorcycle and it's only $15,545 dollars. Why do people act as if it were a Lamborghini?
A car is worth more than that and most of us have cars!!!
Oh wow congrats on RSV4 purchase. What did you have before that? I desperately desperately want an RSV4 but feel I'd be better suited to a 675 triple or 750 I4 or something. This wouldn't be my first bike, its my 5th (last was Ducati MS) but I'd feel like a right eejit on track on the RSV4 if some1 passed me on a 600, so figure I'll get a 675 for a few months /a year, do Calif SBK school level 3 and 4, and then get the RSV4. The sound makes me go weak in the knees tho so I duno if i can resist!
well tell me what major changes has been done to it S1000RR rider??
right, with the stock gearing
Finally a fair review from MCN !!! and the shock is that ducati is not the alpha male...
All 3 bikes are good so it doesn't even matter. It's all about what's to your liking. I'll personally would take the ducati cuz it stands out from the rest( only ducatis I seen on the road are monsters), makes u feel like a baller lol, and cuz of the name( all the lady's know about them if u get what I mean).
I don't mind having a Panigale in my collection. I just won't be putting any miles on it. Maybe occasional track days, but mostly bike nights. I'm being real! I can't afford the maintenance.
What about an expensive 250 then? They could charge perhaps £6000 for it and I guarantee you it would sell. They did used to sell the 250 Diana I think, and their first bike ever was a 50 or 60cc bike back in the late 40s. After all, Aprilia sells the RSV4 lookalike RS125 for a few 1000 quid.
I really like MCN videos, and I appreciate they are free... But it's really hard to understand what you guys are saying sometimes. I don't know what camera you are using, but I think a boom-mounted mic, or even a cheap record player like iRiver with a lapel microphone, would improve your videos a lot.
v4, ducati looks and bmw engineering, that would be awesome
Well Ferrari now makes the California that costs about the same as a top level Merc. But I get your point though in that these brands are exclusive and don't want to be seen as being too "common".
Hard to believe, as a duc fan never had real troubles with a duc. Stop trashing it with a cold engine? Got a S1000RR now, great bike.
All we can do is hope.
what about the green monster? zx10r?
Couldn't be more subjective, when they say "I can't put my finger around what I don't like about the Aprilia" they totaly lost it. Maybe they have a double-page BMW advert in their magazine. The Bmw IS a fantastic bike, but round the track, well, it depends on the track and the rider who goes round faster. Not always on the bike. On a local magazine in a tight track with not-so-good tarmac the Aprilia slayed the BMW. I'd probably buy the KTM or the Aprilia anyway, IF they had ABS like Ducatis...
Track day is like Porsche Club Autocross. The driver matters more than the vehicle. I went to a banked oval with a figure eight in my MR2 Turbo, hoping to beat 1/3 of the Porsches. My son, in his 1987, front wheel drive, 90 horsepower Subaru (Stock motor, but shocks, anti roll bars, and tires) beat 2/3 of the Porsches.
It's not the seat, but what's in the seat.
the bmw rocks..its powerful and stylish..people would get bored if looking at a bike with 1 design..but the bmw have 2 face..haha..but the most important is that the bmw is way cheaper but have the equal performace..truth, i love all 3 bikes..they really have there own special quality..cheers..
How come the zx10r is not included in this test?
Or maybe they should do HP4 vs the 1199 Panigale R... seems a bit more fair.
I would love a BMW, the insurance is a killer for me yet, few years time and I will look at getting one. Brilliant vid.
Sad part is for average or even heck...below average riders like myself....whatever looks and sounds the best is the bike I'm going with....which for me has to be he aprilia, the BMW, then the duc
True but say someone has a budget of $25k, which is about what a well-specced Honda Civic costs these days. They could simply buy the $15k Ducati and say a used Civic that would do the exact same job and be as reliable as the new one for about $8k, which allows for the insurance cost of the bike. I know a guy who is merely middle class, who scrimped to get a Ducati Desmosedici and drives a £500 car to afford it!
I went to a CCS race in Homestead and was appalled at how terribly slow and unsafe some of the riders were, practically stopping dozens of yards before each turn.... almost as bad as the ZX-11 rider in Southern California that could not pass my VW Thing. Honestly, his friends went around us and slowed down for him, finally stopping and nodding their drooping heads in embarrassment for their buddy.
Aprilia!
They are from Europe so it's cheaper for them. What gets us is the cost to ship them over here.