Honestly the reward is what kept me going always wanted the Werebear form but never did it during Legion so massive incentive, that and I actually enjoy the difficulty of it, with perseverance you'll get it!
For anyone struggling in p2, you can actually take 5 annihilates if you take incarn and use CD's at the right time. Double iron skin, double iron skin + barkskin, double iron skin + incarn, double iron skin + incarn + survival instincts, and lastly iron skin spam, survival instincts and barkskin again
This is very true, When I use Berserk During Kruul was so I could clear up horrors as well as have my defensives up for the Annihilate cast about to go off, if you're lucky with timing you can save your berserk for a potential 5th annihilate.
Yeah i did other classes in Legion which I'm struggling with atm just take time in re learning it as well as it having it possibly tuned a little to tough :D
Nico is correct, Its the legendary trinket Kil'jaeden's burning wish its very good for stats but I believe you don't need it you can just have a SL proc trinket or any other trinket that has good stats or has a proc effect I used it as I just had it in the bank from legion :)
Yeah Finishing it pre nerf and wanted to jump back in after watching a friend attempt it for 3-4 days straight to see if I could help them out while recording, What I noticed was post nerf with the Horrors not moving while casting made for some clunky mechanics at times where I'd get pushed by the beam in Kruul and they'd just cast on top of Velen, bit annoying but found a way around it!
Jakob is correct it drops from Nythendra on all difficulties from Emerald Nightmare, you would have to be really unlucky for it not to drop 3 dropped for my druid when I went for the trinket. But its a trinket that's really easy to grab every thing else was just in my bank from Legion but you wouldn't need it I believe the only thing that I'd really suggest is the trinket because it allows for 1 of the horrors packs to be ignored really with the dmg output from it.
The only way you'll ever top yourself up in phase 2 is from velen orbs you'll usually sit around 50% hp the entire of P2 and be close to an orb as he is going to cast Annihilate, this way when he starts the cast you can grab the orb top yourself up and have your defensives already applied. You can also grab a orb early (straight after his stomp where he spawns the green pool) to top yourself up and should be okay to tank the annihilate also :)
ok maybe im just a pepega, but for some reason i just cant seem to make it past the 3rd annihilate. i once made it to 8% on kruul and i havent made it past 15% in awhile. is it just miss managing cds on my part? or its it a lack of good gear for it?
I'm not to sure would need to see a video of the runs tbh if you're miss managing cd's ect, but what I can say is when you know he is coming up to his 3rd and 4th Annihilate cast make sure you're next to an orb to stop the cast so you know that as soon as he comes out of the orb stun then you've got your defensive cd's already on yourself and aren't scrambling to press them. What you ideally want for 3rd Annihilate is ironfur x2+ and survival instincts along with at the minimum 70%HP, then for the 4th annihilate you want barkskin, Ironfur x2 & Instincts (If you're running incarnation then use it on the 4th Annihilate of you're running with berserk use it on the 3rd to cleave the horrors quickly as they spawn at the same time with the 4th Annihilate. Hope this helps!
did they fixed nether aggro? when i tried this challenge - ai did all sorts of things. They ran straight for Velen, ignoring me. They ran straight at me, ignoring Velen. One ran at me, while rest went for Velen. And was so frustrating. I can kite infernals around boss otherwise horros will kill Velen. And i cant stay near Velen otherwise i will be pushed by infernals. And here he doesnt even attack nethers, they instantly going after him
So I've noticed with the Horrors that they'll always be aggro'd to Velen when they spawn you can do one of 2 things to grab them off of Velen first option if use a heal either Regrowth or regen to get healing aggro as they've finished their spawning animation (where they grow to full size) its timing has to be very good though otherwise the healing aggro wont go through so this ones all about timing the other is ofcourse running into them to pick them up when they get to Velen but you risk like you say the infernals smash so if you do this option make sure you try and run to the edge of the platform quickly to reduce the chance of the infernals hitting you off.
@@pigandwhistletales9615 and weird thing - sometimes they aggro on me when i hit boss with swipe or thrash. Just like if i used regrowth. And sometimes they will ignore me.
Yeah I did the Challenge to get the bear form before the nerf and I did non consume run after the nerf, the nerfs are here for you :) www.wowhead.com/news/legion-timewalking-mage-tower-nerfs-for-december-10th-325284
I'm struggling during 3rd annihilate with boss at 10%,cause adds spawn and infernal + purple things brings me far away from orbs....i feel kinda stupid after 80 try lol
Don't need to feel stupid after 80 tries at all took me about 200 to get it! What I tend to do before the 3rd Annihilate is keep Kruul in a CC chain until the beams pass then you can move in for an orb if needing the top up, Its very messy I will say that its Blizzard trying to overwhelm you with visual mechanics just takes time to pick up a pattern in P2 but im sure you can do it!
@@pigandwhistletales9615 Ive done around 300 tries now. And im fuckin most of time between 10% and 3%.. Nomatter what gear i get, or talents or consumes.. I die there... Matter of luck, not skill or class knowledge..
Yeah its a funny thing really :D What I find strange is the changes to the horrors when they don't cast and move at the same time because that stops a lot of your cleaving with the main boss at points which isn't helpful I feel like the health nerfs were enough on there own then they can tweak it further if need be but the horror change does baffle me.
@@pigandwhistletales9615 the horror changes fucked me one run, velen spawned a ward on me as they spawned and they all stayed max range casting together lmao
Having trouble clearing the horrors idk why I’m just using thrash and swipe. Maybe I’m fucking something up. I can do p1 easy if I slow roll it but then I have 4 intervals going into p2
horrors are easy... just let the cast go .. and then interupt it with aoe roar stun when they are channeling it in the first sec of it.. u get one tick of the dmg.. but it wont hurt.. after that they arnt hitting that hard and u can just cleave them down... another method i use is... let them get close in boomyform... then sunfire them all at once, then change to bear and shred them... then u can acutally aoe them before they can finish cast
@@4587144000 I do that and only their auto attacks sometimes take a chunk of health. Especially with no rage for Ironfur if I am in boomkin form dealing damage before they spawn.
I found a rhythm to phase 1 I knew what I wanted to do with every Horror pack up to 3 infernal, I found it best to make a list on what to do with each horror pack, examples are first pack you cleave with he boss next pack is Velen orb next is cleave with boss, so you constantly have a map in your head of what is going to happen next. Ideally you want to cleave the horrors with he boss as much as possible in both P1 and P2, and I usually play it safe with Horrors you can get 2 casts off then a Incap roar before their cast goes off but I also Tab target the horrors so me Melee is hitting one of them makes for quicker horrors kills I feel
Honestly It doesn't feel like 11K at all i didn't even notice my HP until this comment because in the fight you feel squishy all the time and never at full HP, I cant tell you how I'm at 11KHP when fully healed, I always thought i had about 8/9K max but that's because I'm basing it off my Moonkin form which I'm in a lot of the time for P1 and just thought that was my normal HP pool in P2.
I could certainly give it a go, I used only gear I had within the bank the seed I picked up from my weekly Emerald nightmare run for the Xavius shoulders transmog so thought may as well use it. But I believe this can be done with purely SL gear it would just take some time to adjust to the fight without the use of trinkets and doing 200+ pulls with the trinket would mean it switches the whole fight up for myself and the way I learnt it so would take some time but I strongly believe that you can walk in there with just SL gear and complete the challenge.
I will pay you to do this for me... I've lost count how many runs I've done and I've only got to P2 once. I play Balance so I'm really not great at Guardian... :(
I'm pretty sure its against ToS for helping you out by using your account :P If it gives you any hope I also main boomkin and only picked up Guardian druid when the Mage Tower came out I hadn't even gotten my bars set up in Guardian so I'm sure if you stick to it you'll persevere!
@@pigandwhistletales9615 I just had some attempts and managed to get to P2 twice, so that gives me a bit of hope. But my god P1 is still so fckin cancerous.
@@TheYeetusLord Yeah it can be very frustrating, I'm going to be streaming later on doing the Guardian druid challenge in SL gear, can maybe pop by and check it out and see how I'm handling certain situations in P1 & P2 if you wish
I can assure you this is Live servers as I don't even have the PTR downloaded and haven't had it downloaded since Legion. After 200ish attempts it just became very easy for myself to understand what needed to happen in each situation as I've wiped to it probably 10 times in the past :D
Honestly I had a friend thinking the same thing spent 3-4 days on it and just finished it today after about 300 attempts everyone gets it at some point, but at the same time no point putting yourself through it if you don't enjoy the experience.
@@AshandAnderson P1 can be very tough and it can go very south quickly if something happens, I would advise making a plan for each set of horror add spawns by this i mean have a plan to cleave with the boss or use an orb for them but plan it out before the horrors spawn that way you have time. I'm also going to be streaming the Guardian MT later on if you want to pop by and check out what I do in certain situations. :)
As much as I would love to help out that way I'm sure I wouldn't need to, I'm sure you'll be able to do it yourself just gotta keep strong and keep going! It may take you hundreds of tried but when you finish the challenge its worth it that sense of completion! :D
Great job man, thanks for the video. Really clean execution.
Thanks really appreciate it! :D
Congratulations!!!
Thank you!!
Gives me hope and Will to continue.
Honestly the reward is what kept me going always wanted the Werebear form but never did it during Legion so massive incentive, that and I actually enjoy the difficulty of it, with perseverance you'll get it!
Grats on your no consumable run!! Only able to get the WW no consumable run so far myself.
Thank you for the comment appreciate it! Congrats on your WW run also!
Its my birthday now and I get up and see this video. Maybe now I can do it.
Firstly Happy Birthday! Secondly I'm sure you can do it just got to keep going and persevere!
Awesome!!
Thanks!
For anyone struggling in p2, you can actually take 5 annihilates if you take incarn and use CD's at the right time. Double iron skin, double iron skin + barkskin, double iron skin + incarn, double iron skin + incarn + survival instincts, and lastly iron skin spam, survival instincts and barkskin again
This is very true, When I use Berserk During Kruul was so I could clear up horrors as well as have my defensives up for the Annihilate cast about to go off, if you're lucky with timing you can save your berserk for a potential 5th annihilate.
@@pigandwhistletales9615 berserk is less helpful as you don't get the 30% health buff iirc
@@mareau2193 Very true thank you for the correction, this is if you're running Incarnation over Guardians talent :)
Gr8 video I'm still finding it hard to clear did it in legion but finding it hard this time
Yeah i did other classes in Legion which I'm struggling with atm just take time in re learning it as well as it having it possibly tuned a little to tough :D
Good stuff... I just can't do it, lol
How do you make this look so easy? If you don’t mind what is your second trinket?
Nevermind lol. I finished the video and found out.
KJ trinket. Can be bought in legion dalaran with the rest of the legion legendaries, just gotta farm some waking essence.
Nico is correct, Its the legendary trinket Kil'jaeden's burning wish its very good for stats but I believe you don't need it you can just have a SL proc trinket or any other trinket that has good stats or has a proc effect I used it as I just had it in the bank from legion :)
he has the best gear u can get for mage tower
Fucking insane mate, even after already completing it
Yeah Finishing it pre nerf and wanted to jump back in after watching a friend attempt it for 3-4 days straight to see if I could help them out while recording, What I noticed was post nerf with the Horrors not moving while casting made for some clunky mechanics at times where I'd get pushed by the beam in Kruul and they'd just cast on top of Velen, bit annoying but found a way around it!
If i see videos like that ye ofc it would be possible but even with CDs i Deal half of his dmg. Magetower scaling is so weird
What trinket are you using for the AoE damage (the green puddle?)
this is the seeds trinket from first boss of emereald dream raid in Legion
hits pretty hard and is on a 1 min cd
This trinket was game changing. Feelsbad
Jakob is correct it drops from Nythendra on all difficulties from Emerald Nightmare, you would have to be really unlucky for it not to drop 3 dropped for my druid when I went for the trinket. But its a trinket that's really easy to grab every thing else was just in my bank from Legion but you wouldn't need it I believe the only thing that I'd really suggest is the trinket because it allows for 1 of the horrors packs to be ignored really with the dmg output from it.
I'm having trouble topping myself back up in p2
The only way you'll ever top yourself up in phase 2 is from velen orbs you'll usually sit around 50% hp the entire of P2 and be close to an orb as he is going to cast Annihilate, this way when he starts the cast you can grab the orb top yourself up and have your defensives already applied. You can also grab a orb early (straight after his stomp where he spawns the green pool) to top yourself up and should be okay to tank the annihilate also :)
ok maybe im just a pepega, but for some reason i just cant seem to make it past the 3rd annihilate. i once made it to 8% on kruul and i havent made it past 15% in awhile. is it just miss managing cds on my part? or its it a lack of good gear for it?
I'm not to sure would need to see a video of the runs tbh if you're miss managing cd's ect, but what I can say is when you know he is coming up to his 3rd and 4th Annihilate cast make sure you're next to an orb to stop the cast so you know that as soon as he comes out of the orb stun then you've got your defensive cd's already on yourself and aren't scrambling to press them.
What you ideally want for 3rd Annihilate is ironfur x2+ and survival instincts along with at the minimum 70%HP, then for the 4th annihilate you want barkskin, Ironfur x2 & Instincts (If you're running incarnation then use it on the 4th Annihilate of you're running with berserk use it on the 3rd to cleave the horrors quickly as they spawn at the same time with the 4th Annihilate. Hope this helps!
This almost looks easier than when it was current content in legion…? I remember beating my head against this is legion, was an absolute pain
Yeah its a pain now and you just have to keep beating your head against it but its just learning the fight really.
did they fixed nether aggro? when i tried this challenge - ai did all sorts of things. They ran straight for Velen, ignoring me. They ran straight at me, ignoring Velen. One ran at me, while rest went for Velen. And was so frustrating. I can kite infernals around boss otherwise horros will kill Velen. And i cant stay near Velen otherwise i will be pushed by infernals.
And here he doesnt even attack nethers, they instantly going after him
So I've noticed with the Horrors that they'll always be aggro'd to Velen when they spawn you can do one of 2 things to grab them off of Velen first option if use a heal either Regrowth or regen to get healing aggro as they've finished their spawning animation (where they grow to full size) its timing has to be very good though otherwise the healing aggro wont go through so this ones all about timing the other is ofcourse running into them to pick them up when they get to Velen but you risk like you say the infernals smash so if you do this option make sure you try and run to the edge of the platform quickly to reduce the chance of the infernals hitting you off.
@@pigandwhistletales9615 and weird thing - sometimes they aggro on me when i hit boss with swipe or thrash. Just like if i used regrowth. And sometimes they will ignore me.
You said pre-nerf at the end. What did they nerf?
Yeah I did the Challenge to get the bear form before the nerf and I did non consume run after the nerf, the nerfs are here for you :) www.wowhead.com/news/legion-timewalking-mage-tower-nerfs-for-december-10th-325284
I miss the legion edition where you could do it with only boomkin in the beginning - I hate that you basically have to master both specs to do this
That's literally what you do now
u dont have to master boomkin, u have to press wrath, starfire, starsurge, and dots, mastering is a lot more than that.
I'm struggling during 3rd annihilate with boss at 10%,cause adds spawn and infernal + purple things brings me far away from orbs....i feel kinda stupid after 80 try lol
and i can't get back full hp after 2nd annihilate....:-(
Don't need to feel stupid after 80 tries at all took me about 200 to get it! What I tend to do before the 3rd Annihilate is keep Kruul in a CC chain until the beams pass then you can move in for an orb if needing the top up, Its very messy I will say that its Blizzard trying to overwhelm you with visual mechanics just takes time to pick up a pattern in P2 but im sure you can do it!
@@pigandwhistletales9615 Ive done around 300 tries now. And im fuckin most of time between 10% and 3%.. Nomatter what gear i get, or talents or consumes.. I die there... Matter of luck, not skill or class knowledge..
130 pulls in and 50k+ spent on consumables, best tries 3% and 4% im going crazy lol
I feel that pain had wipes at 3% and at 1% before the nerf was heartbreaking, but you're getting close you got it!
@@pigandwhistletales9615 did they already nerf it ?
I'm in the same boat, spent all day and 150k on consumables, then they nerfed it and I ome shot it with no consumables
Yeah its a funny thing really :D What I find strange is the changes to the horrors when they don't cast and move at the same time because that stops a lot of your cleaving with the main boss at points which isn't helpful I feel like the health nerfs were enough on there own then they can tweak it further if need be but the horror change does baffle me.
@@pigandwhistletales9615 the horror changes fucked me one run, velen spawned a ward on me as they spawned and they all stayed max range casting together lmao
Having trouble clearing the horrors idk why I’m just using thrash and swipe. Maybe I’m fucking something up. I can do p1 easy if I slow roll it but then I have 4 intervals going into p2
Cannot even get passed part one never enough damage to many mobs.
horrors are easy... just let the cast go .. and then interupt it with aoe roar stun when they are channeling it in the first sec of it.. u get one tick of the dmg.. but it wont hurt.. after that they arnt hitting that hard and u can just cleave them down...
another method i use is... let them get close in boomyform... then sunfire them all at once, then change to bear and shred them... then u can acutally aoe them before they can finish cast
@@4587144000 I do that and only their auto attacks sometimes take a chunk of health. Especially with no rage for Ironfur if I am in boomkin form dealing damage before they spawn.
I found a rhythm to phase 1 I knew what I wanted to do with every Horror pack up to 3 infernal, I found it best to make a list on what to do with each horror pack, examples are first pack you cleave with he boss next pack is Velen orb next is cleave with boss, so you constantly have a map in your head of what is going to happen next. Ideally you want to cleave the horrors with he boss as much as possible in both P1 and P2, and I usually play it safe with Horrors you can get 2 casts off then a Incap roar before their cast goes off but I also Tab target the horrors so me Melee is hitting one of them makes for quicker horrors kills I feel
WTF 11k hp. I have less than 8k.
Honestly It doesn't feel like 11K at all i didn't even notice my HP until this comment because in the fight you feel squishy all the time and never at full HP, I cant tell you how I'm at 11KHP when fully healed, I always thought i had about 8/9K max but that's because I'm basing it off my Moonkin form which I'm in a lot of the time for P1 and just thought that was my normal HP pool in P2.
do one without the lame o trinkets and gear, if you can lol
I could certainly give it a go, I used only gear I had within the bank the seed I picked up from my weekly Emerald nightmare run for the Xavius shoulders transmog so thought may as well use it. But I believe this can be done with purely SL gear it would just take some time to adjust to the fight without the use of trinkets and doing 200+ pulls with the trinket would mean it switches the whole fight up for myself and the way I learnt it so would take some time but I strongly believe that you can walk in there with just SL gear and complete the challenge.
@@pigandwhistletales9615 for me the challenge is the little adds during kruul phase and being far from them which results in them nuking add.
it's consumables.
I will pay you to do this for me... I've lost count how many runs I've done and I've only got to P2 once. I play Balance so I'm really not great at Guardian... :(
I'm pretty sure its against ToS for helping you out by using your account :P If it gives you any hope I also main boomkin and only picked up Guardian druid when the Mage Tower came out I hadn't even gotten my bars set up in Guardian so I'm sure if you stick to it you'll persevere!
@@pigandwhistletales9615 I just had some attempts and managed to get to P2 twice, so that gives me a bit of hope. But my god P1 is still so fckin cancerous.
spent over 150k on armour with gems and more consumables and it's making absolutely zero difference. I can't fucking do this.
@@TheYeetusLord Yeah it can be very frustrating, I'm going to be streaming later on doing the Guardian druid challenge in SL gear, can maybe pop by and check it out and see how I'm handling certain situations in P1 & P2 if you wish
Looks so easy and the heal Orbs no push the adds back 🙄. Looks like PTR and not live server .
Look at the bosses health values this is definitely live my frie d he's just that good
Also the orbs never push back adds so Donna what you mean by that
I can assure you this is Live servers as I don't even have the PTR downloaded and haven't had it downloaded since Legion. After 200ish attempts it just became very easy for myself to understand what needed to happen in each situation as I've wiped to it probably 10 times in the past :D
Haha, I am just hopeless at this shit.. Gave up long ago
Honestly I had a friend thinking the same thing spent 3-4 days on it and just finished it today after about 300 attempts everyone gets it at some point, but at the same time no point putting yourself through it if you don't enjoy the experience.
@@pigandwhistletales9615 Cannot get passed phase one closest I got was 49%
@@AshandAnderson P1 can be very tough and it can go very south quickly if something happens, I would advise making a plan for each set of horror add spawns by this i mean have a plan to cleave with the boss or use an orb for them but plan it out before the horrors spawn that way you have time.
I'm also going to be streaming the Guardian MT later on if you want to pop by and check out what I do in certain situations. :)
Come do this on my account, plz, ty!
As much as I would love to help out that way I'm sure I wouldn't need to, I'm sure you'll be able to do it yourself just gotta keep strong and keep going! It may take you hundreds of tried but when you finish the challenge its worth it that sense of completion! :D
@@pigandwhistletales9615 Says the person who's way better, lmao