Dear Dale and Karyn, ‘S’cale to gauge, ab’S’olutely ama’Z’ing story. Didn’t know about the ‘S’tatic part of S-scale. Wonder if you might be able to share some footage of those static cardboard display models. A’s’ alway’s’ love the content of these historical narrations on scale. Very interesting, entertaining and confusing.
I still have my A.C.Gilbert 'American Flyer' train, built in 1956. This was on my 6th birthday in January of 1957. Original boxes deteriorated long ago. The great thing is - IT STILL WORKS ! Even has the brakeman retract onto 'the step' of the caboose when power is applied to the track 🙂
So glad some people were able to save their original sets!! Mine… not so much. But a friend has his from that same year and still in perfect boxes!! He only ever ran it around the Christmas tree.
I started in American Flyer when I was five. I model in 7 scales ( because I can't get enough trains) but S is my sentimental favorite. Thanks for the info.😎👍!
Excellent video, top notch and well researched. Just remember a couple of things: Boucher, American Flyer, and Ives all advertised their wares as being gauge 2 (also confusingly adding either wide or standard as per manufacturer), likely as gauge 2 was the US standard of old, like Weeden or beggs, garlick etc of the 1880's with the original strip rail, set at 2" gauge, later joined of course by Carlisle, Knapp, Howard, et which coincided rather conveniently with marklins designation of gauge 2. Also of course stadthilm, zeuke, bub, jep all manufactured S gauge, with Hornby doing a few test pieces as well. Of course for those countries where 3'6" gauge is the norm, Sn3 1/2 is the go to scale, with some absolutely stunning (and pricey!) Kits readily available. Wonderful viewing :)
Yes a few good suppliers in New Zealand, Australia, and South Africa. Some stuff in South America has been converted to "S" but most of their stuff is now Meter Gauge. Same track in "S" of course.
S scale is certainly very popular here in Australia and New Zealand where many mainlines are 3’6” which if you scale that in 1/64 you get 16.5mm which is of course HO/OO. So many modelers of Australian and New Zealand prototypes use HO/OO locos to build new bodies to represent the local trains in S scale. In South Africa, this is referred to as “cape gauge”. There are many 3D printed models out there now so this part of the hobby is still continuing to grow.
I wanted to thank you so much for this series on Gauges and Scales. It has been so fun and interesting to watch. It was something I never understood but you logical laying out how they came up with the scales and gauges. I especially loved all the written explanations as it really helped me understand. I love your videos and look forward to them every week.
I have some American Flyer trains, I got started when I got some American Flyer freight cars with some items I won in an auction of a hobby shop that went out of business, the largest American Flyer engine I have is a 2-8-4 Berkshire steam locomotive
The club in the video.. one member and I went to college together in 1970. Anyway he had a huge collection of American Flyer. Well still does.. but always in the boxes. Only out to run then right back. Still doing that 50 years later.
there is also Sn42 - which is typically used to model 3ft 6inch (some times called Cape Gauge - also seen in Japan and parts of Australia). Essentially they are trains are O scale running on S track to get an approximation of a scale 3ft 6inch track.
Question what does s gauge model train freight cars look like behind an on 30 train engine or an S guage train engine look like pulling on 30 Freight cars?
Thank you! In the day I hated plasticsville. Now we both love it. Not because it’s a great look on the railroad. Far from that. But oh my.. the box art.. the toy looks. Wow.
@@ToyManTelevision I like certain buildings. The train station for one. Thing is that they require a lot of room. Your scratch buildings are so much superior one can’t e en compare the two. And I mean that. Plasticville is just a warp drive to my youth when I would watch my train run in an oval and smell the poly phenols from the transformer.
@@ToyManTelevision I bet you could do a great video on wiring the track to make the trains run. Never had luck with it. Train would go have way around the circle and then die. Moving it 5 tracks over and then it would run. Crazy.
Sm is a 'bit' over size coming to 41.54" rather than 39.37". It is of course real close for 3.5' which I model. Less that 1/128" which means less than 1/2 a scale inch:} And do not forget; Model Railroading is FUN!
Yup. Sn2 is rare. But the SIMPLE way of using HOn3, one has to wonder why Sn2 isn’t more popular. Except 2 foot isn’t all that popular in any scale. Sadly.
@@ToyManTelevision it's harder than you know what to find! Rolling stock isn't that difficult. But motive power is SUPER difficult. I have a few peices. And was looking for more at one point. Now it's all in storage with everything else. Cause I had to move not long ago
Yeah!! Thank you for this video! Fantastic and my favorite train size! I have a question...I'm in the planning stages/research for a series on AC Gilbert's transition from O to S. May I have your permission to use some of this video? Your description of what happened before and after WW2 is spot on.
Well back then hornby Lionel and the rest didn’t want you to have the different kinds of trains running on they tracks but now people wouldn’t put up with that
Part of the recent choice by Hornby to launch a TT 120 range seems to be to have far less competition in the field. Chose this over going to N scale. However they are using established standards for TT from Europe.
Dale, There may be interest in some of the number gauges you've mentioned; but, the reality is that there really is just a few of the modern scales that translate today. F Scale and it's derivatives Fn3 etc. plus LS Large Scale including what was termed G-Scale at one time. Then O scale and its' derivatives On3, On30, On2. Then S scale and it's derivatives, HO scale and its' Derivatives, N scale and its' derivatives and finally Z scale. TT Scale is pretty much gone. Of course there are also the Proto Scales. To me, to talk about the numbered Scales is confusing and really not relevant, anymore.
TT is making a comeback in the UK with Hornby in the past few months having TT 120 models available for sale. Searching Hornby TT 120 will show numerous vids on UA-cam. In many Eastern European countries it never went away. Has been making a comeback in Europe too with some high standard models by Roco.
Long time listener. First time caller. Is there a place you could direct someone. To learn how to model. Like some of the stuff on your layout. And the one you featured with your friends. I would really like to make a nice ho layout. As o gauge and g scale might be to expensive.
They have a program here in Salt Lake City called pizza box layouts. For kids. But some people are more like 70! But the local NMRA runs it and every place has something like that.
Know I "Think" I know More than B4 yesterday but less than tomorrow My Best Memories were with My/ NO it's was under the tree but I couldn't play with it UNLESS Grandpa was there to"help me" I still have my 1st Set , an American Flyer , last wk My Alaska Bro asked me about 1 gauge he'd got ,I'M forwarding this to him Dale lol
Dear Dale and Karyn, ‘S’cale to gauge, ab’S’olutely ama’Z’ing story. Didn’t know about the ‘S’tatic part of S-scale. Wonder if you might be able to share some footage of those static cardboard display models. A’s’ alway’s’ love the content of these historical narrations on scale. Very interesting, entertaining and confusing.
Hi. I will post the only know drawings of the model. The website that had this is gone. But I will post in a minute.
Check the community tab. I’ve posted the 1896 S scale locomotive as well as a link to some 1790 ship models.
@@ToyManTelevision I’ll check it out! Cool beans, thank you 🙏
I still have my A.C.Gilbert 'American Flyer' train, built in 1956. This was on my 6th birthday in January of 1957. Original boxes deteriorated long ago. The great thing is - IT STILL WORKS ! Even has the brakeman retract onto 'the step' of the caboose when power is applied to the track 🙂
So glad some people were able to save their original sets!! Mine… not so much. But a friend has his from that same year and still in perfect boxes!! He only ever ran it around the Christmas tree.
I started in American Flyer when I was five. I model in 7 scales ( because I can't get enough trains) but S is my sentimental favorite. Thanks for the info.😎👍!
Me too. Gave it up. Well my mom gave it away. Anyway onto HO. Still love them all.
Excellent video, top notch and well researched.
Just remember a couple of things: Boucher, American Flyer, and Ives all advertised their wares as being gauge 2 (also confusingly adding either wide or standard as per manufacturer), likely as gauge 2 was the US standard of old, like Weeden or beggs, garlick etc of the 1880's with the original strip rail, set at 2" gauge, later joined of course by Carlisle, Knapp, Howard, et which coincided rather conveniently with marklins designation of gauge 2.
Also of course stadthilm, zeuke, bub, jep all manufactured S gauge, with Hornby doing a few test pieces as well.
Of course for those countries where 3'6" gauge is the norm, Sn3 1/2 is the go to scale, with some absolutely stunning (and pricey!) Kits readily available.
Wonderful viewing :)
Yes a few good suppliers in New Zealand, Australia, and South Africa. Some stuff in South America has been converted to "S" but most of their stuff is now Meter Gauge. Same track in "S" of course.
S scale is certainly very popular here in Australia and New Zealand where many mainlines are 3’6” which if you scale that in 1/64 you get 16.5mm which is of course HO/OO. So many modelers of Australian and New Zealand prototypes use HO/OO locos to build new bodies to represent the local trains in S scale. In South Africa, this is referred to as “cape gauge”. There are many 3D printed models out there now so this part of the hobby is still continuing to grow.
I’ve seen that done. Great that it works out. Structures. Figures. All in S with HO or better On30 track.
I wanted to thank you so much for this series on Gauges and Scales. It has been so fun and interesting to watch. It was something I never understood but you logical laying out how they came up with the scales and gauges. I especially loved all the written explanations as it really helped me understand. I love your videos and look forward to them every week.
Thanks!!! We’ve enjoyed doing it too! More coming. I fear some people are getting a bit tired of it… well.. we well press on. To HO next.
I have some American Flyer trains, I got started when I got some American Flyer freight cars with some items I won in an auction of a hobby shop that went out of business, the largest American Flyer engine I have is a 2-8-4 Berkshire steam locomotive
The club in the video.. one member and I went to college together in 1970. Anyway he had a huge collection of American Flyer. Well still does.. but always in the boxes. Only out to run then right back. Still doing that 50 years later.
there is also Sn42 - which is typically used to model 3ft 6inch (some times called Cape Gauge - also seen in Japan and parts of Australia). Essentially they are trains are O scale running on S track to get an approximation of a scale 3ft 6inch track.
Should be On42. I think… HO people use TT track and mechanics
Very interesting and informative, I have an American Flyer set for my Christmas tree layout, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks for watching!!! American Flyer is awesome. Fun toy!!!!
Question what does s gauge model train freight cars look like behind an on 30 train engine or an S guage train engine look like pulling on 30 Freight cars?
22.5 vs 16.5. Gauges. Hum.. won’t work.
@@ToyManTelevision k
Looks OK as they are about the same actual size. There are a couple or 4 articles on converting On30 steamers to S std.
Sn3 will look better pulling a on30
Like how you threw in Plasticville! Great video.
Thank you! In the day I hated plasticsville. Now we both love it. Not because it’s a great look on the railroad. Far from that. But oh my.. the box art.. the toy looks. Wow.
@@ToyManTelevision I like certain buildings. The train station for one. Thing is that they require a lot of room. Your scratch buildings are so much superior one can’t e en compare the two. And I mean that. Plasticville is just a warp drive to my youth when I would watch my train run in an oval and smell the poly phenols from the transformer.
@@kenshores9900 yup. Classic fun!!! Great 60’s look too!!
Great history info. Excellent!!!
Glad you enjoyed it❤. More pointless information coming. Then we move onto points. Switches as we say in America. Get it? Pointless?
@@ToyManTelevision I bet you could do a great video on wiring the track to make the trains run. Never had luck with it. Train would go have way around the circle and then die. Moving it 5 tracks over and then it would run. Crazy.
That was "S"imply fascinating. "S"eriously 🙄 (I couldn't help myself, just fell into my lap), that was interesting.
When the ball is right over the plate you gotta hit it outa the park.
Great series,keep it up.
Thanks, will do!
Now I know everything about S scale and had the curiosity to watch this video 👍👍
Thanks. Hopefully not too boring. 😮
Awesome video 😊
Thanks
Welcome❤
Dale, Karyn, 59.7k subscribers, 60K is on the horizon. I have the champagne on ice!
Now just 200 away. Today? Tomorrow?? Saint Valentine’s Day?
Sm is a 'bit' over size coming to 41.54" rather than 39.37". It is of course real close for 3.5' which I model. Less that 1/128" which means less than 1/2 a scale inch:} And do not forget; Model Railroading is FUN!
Sn2 actually uses HOn3 track!!! And of course Sn3 uses it's own gauge track.
Yup. Sn2 is rare. But the SIMPLE way of using HOn3, one has to wonder why Sn2 isn’t more popular. Except 2 foot isn’t all that popular in any scale. Sadly.
@@ToyManTelevision it's harder than you know what to find! Rolling stock isn't that difficult. But motive power is SUPER difficult.
I have a few peices. And was looking for more at one point.
Now it's all in storage with everything else. Cause I had to move not long ago
I like S scale. I wish it was as common as HO for model railroading. S and O are the easiest to get vehicles for!
Well Sn3 is AMAZING. 😊
I model in on 30 and O scale two rail and I like to combine the two I was hoping ask scale scale would look good on on 30
Yeah!! Thank you for this video! Fantastic and my favorite train size!
I have a question...I'm in the planning stages/research for a series on AC Gilbert's transition from O to S. May I have your permission to use some of this video? Your description of what happened before and after WW2 is spot on.
Sure!! Hope it helps.
Well back then hornby Lionel and the rest didn’t want you to have the different kinds of trains running on they tracks but now people wouldn’t put up with that
Yup. Total control. Lionel held tight reigns. I guess you could say they rained supreme. Well…HO reigned them in.
Part of the recent choice by Hornby to launch a TT 120 range seems to be to have far less competition in the field. Chose this over going to N scale.
However they are using established standards for TT from Europe.
Dale, There may be interest in some of the number gauges you've mentioned; but, the reality is that there really is just a few of the modern scales that translate today. F Scale and it's derivatives Fn3 etc. plus LS Large Scale including what was termed G-Scale at one time. Then O scale and its' derivatives On3, On30, On2. Then S scale and it's derivatives, HO scale and its' Derivatives, N scale and its' derivatives and finally Z scale. TT Scale is pretty much gone. Of course there are also the Proto Scales. To me, to talk about the numbered Scales is confusing and really not relevant, anymore.
The original gauges that survived are 0(O) 1 (F and G) 5 and 7. The rest… well some interesting stuff out there in 3. But that’s it…
Oh and really we need to include S as an original even though it was not standardized until 1928.
TT is making a comeback in the UK with Hornby in the past few months having TT 120 models available for sale. Searching Hornby TT 120 will show numerous vids on UA-cam.
In many Eastern European countries it never went away. Has been making a comeback in Europe too with some high standard models by Roco.
@@johnd8892 Never really went away in the US either. Lots of stuff being 3D printed now.
Long time listener. First time caller. Is there a place you could direct someone. To learn how to model. Like some of the stuff on your layout. And the one you featured with your friends. I would really like to make a nice ho layout. As o gauge and g scale might be to expensive.
They have a program here in Salt Lake City called pizza box layouts. For kids. But some people are more like 70! But the local NMRA runs it and every place has something like that.
Know I "Think" I know More than B4 yesterday but less than tomorrow My Best Memories were with My/ NO it's was under the tree but I couldn't play with it UNLESS Grandpa was there to"help me" I still have my 1st Set , an American Flyer , last wk My Alaska Bro asked me about 1 gauge he'd got ,I'M forwarding this to him Dale lol
Under the Christmas tree. Joy to the world.
Phew, I have to wipe my brow!
Intense right? The first S scale railroad built in a tent. See what I did there? Intense..
@@ToyManTelevision uggggg!!!