How Sith Ideology CORRUPTED Every Level of the Imperial Military
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Boo 😔
I just love the new intro speeches. Love the audio quality
If you were able to make your own sith faction how would you do it? What would you take and discard etc?
I love how nobody is talking about the random cat noise right near the start lmaoaa
To think about it, the Imperial Officers use Sith culture. They are ambitious, backstab and went over each other's heads to gain ranks.
What about the ones born and raised in Sith controlled systems like Exegol or Moraband? Pretty sure those raised into that culture will most likely follow the ways of the Sith, even if they are not Force users.
Pretty sure that's business culture in general - just amped up when your life is on the line...
@Rebel Propaganda thank you rebel propaganda, very cool!
@Rebel Propaganda the anarchist government of the rebellion is even worse. Can't even handle the basic needs of it's citizens. Hope doesn't bring bread to the table. Tell that to your pampered princess.
It's why I appreciate characters like thrawn that dont follow that part of imperial doctrine. Thrawn would try to help whatever forces he was attached to be more efficient and effective as a unit.
I worked at a 'tech giant' that openly fostered a 'shark-tank' mentality for a time.
Not just fierce competition between Groups that should be working together, but rivalries between Group members as well.
For a time, the only way to be sure of your job was to rat-out someone else for slacking.
"Your section has yet to name their least productive member. One employee will therefore be randomly selected for dismissal."
Nobody cared if the real work was getting done, everyone was scrambling to not get fired.
After about a year of this unproductive nonsense, we went back to making Software.
Not saying it was Microsoft, but it was.
I would have thought Disney
Ah, that old nugget. Corporations these days really need to slow their roll methinks.
@@eren34558 Disney is the opposite mate then a shark tank, good try though! The sharks are circling outside and want to become president.
That's some toxic work culture. Sounds more like the Hunger Games than an actual workplace. I would have sued them for their horrid and hostile work environment.
Was this back during the days of Vista?
The Jedi lost because they saw no enemy when there was one. The Sith lost because all they saw were enemies when there were none.
I think it is more the sith made enemies where there were none
and yoda had ONE job.
@@AT-AT-AT-AThe kept the same job for more than 800 years. At some point he got lost with all those responsibilities and ruling for more than 20 generations that his skills and senses, were weakened.
Palpatine: has statues of famous sith thinkers in his office
Jedi: who could possibly be the mysterious sith master
"Don't mind me, I just like rare and esoteric artifacts." -Palps
@@DogeickBateman Palpatine: Oh, yes, these are Sith statues, I'm kind of a historian, I studied Galactic History and collect relics from ancient times. Unfortunately, the Jedi Order has most of the Jedi relics under their control, so I have to take these Sith statues instead
Yoda: Explain why the fresh ashes of a Sith Lord you have, this does not
The enemy is always the person you least expect.
It's like if the President had disturbing art in his office, and the Pope never noticed on his visits.
I'm reminded of Solo, where literally a guy no one knows, who never gives his name, and never show's credentials, orders the death of a subordinate for no stated reason and his comrades go through with trying to execute him with no argument. In reality, even if Han was hated by his fellow army troopers, they'd still probably just shoot the officer and declare it the action of an "enemy sniper".
The stated reason was he was a "deserter" and I forget the name of the guy but he was wearing a officer's armor in a active warzone so they wouldn't realistically have time to show credentials to anyone, solo was also there because he struck his commanding officer in flight academy So his army commander's probably already had him on a shit list, as for his fellow regular soldiers they all knew he wasn't there by choice so he was probably already ostracized from everybody from the beginning at least in my opinion 🤷🏿♂️
@@damarglover6363 probably struck his superior for ordering a suicidal dipshit move
@@damarglover6363 I just saw this movie with a friend (who was also watching it for the first time) yesterday and I was thinking about this too
@@damarglover6363 It was if I remember right, he was trialed for saving an ally pilot. Which you are not supposed to do as an imperial pilot. You aren't supposed to care about comrades and only if the job get's done.
Which is an utterly stupid way to have pilots function, even if they have numbers to spare, they should never be cheap expendables.
@@shcdemolisher, yeah, I think of scenarios like that and many others we see in the Imperial military, and I think, "The clones would be absolutely disgusted by this." Because the GAR military culture kinda went against everything the Sith and the Empire believed in. The clones, while being incredibly individualistic, valued loyalty more than almost anything else in their lives, whether it was loyalty to the Republic they served, loyalty to their commanders, or loyalty to their vod'e ("brothers" in Mando'a). That's why right before the Siege of Mandalore, all of Torrent Company painted their helmets to resemble Ahsoka's face and continued to call her "Commander Tano" even though she was just a civilian at that point. Not because they feared her or anything like that, but because they had and incredible amount of respect for her, how talented she was as both a tactician and warrior, and how she stuck her neck out for them on multiple occasions not matter what the circumstances were. She was loyal to them to a fault, and so they were loyal to her to a fault. Those helmet designs were the clones basically saying that they were willing to die for Ahsoka - even though she wasn't technically their commander anymore - because she was willing to die for them. And that is certainly something that you would not see in the Empire.
Not to mention how Tarkin, in full embrace of the dumbest Sith ideology; helped the rebels on Lothal. He executed two officers for failing and promised more...then he failed himself. To capture a single Jedi he let the rebels capture a communications tower and then blew it up, but only after they used it to send a message that caused unrest not only on the planet, but else where, if I remember correctly.
And then he failed to keep the Jedi and even lost his own Star Destroyer in the process and pretty much turned the one member of the imperial admininstration ,who was not feeding the rebels new recruits, into a scapegoat. I think he pretty much is the reason the rebellion even existed and people like him. If you cared for the people under imperial rule you got eliminated and replaced by a monster, who drove people to resist.
Rebels was for kids and had shitty writing
Also, in Rebels season 1, there was a scene where the Ghost Crew was taking relief aid and food to a small extra poor town on the outskirts of Lothal. Sabine had stated that it was known by the name of "Tarkin town," because Tarkin, as governor of the outer rim, he ordered the Imperials on the planet to confiscate lands owned by farmers, in order that the Empire might utilize them for their purposes, and if they resisted, they were to be accused of treason and sent to prison. So all of those that didn't retaliate, they ended up in "Tarkin town" as it was called, after losing their farm lands.
@@therealrongu6599 It was still better than TCW season 1 and 2
No, Tarkin hadn't embraced any Sith ideology, that was his own idea. In fact it was Palpatine who was inspired by his ideas (and this is stated by Palps privately) for how to run the empire, because palps wanted tarkin to do all the governing for him
This is why Grand Admiral Thrawn was introduce to the rebel series of unfortunate events from Imperials failures...
There is even a "What if theory." That if the remaining Jedi and rebellion didn't retaliated against the empire. The Empire would eventually just kill each other just to obtain the sit of power within their own ranks, dominance, control, a higher pay grade and etc.
Is there a video for this theory? I would much like to hear more about it.
@@unanumi I think it got deleted a couple years ago and can't remember what it's called. But I think Generation Tech clarify that in his video precisely how the Empire will eventually crumble part due to their Sith ideology and Imperial military philosophy.
That is a stupid theory. The Empire got worse due to the terrorist's actions, palpatine allowed more and more people power and told them to go ape on the entire galaxy
Given Palpatine's "contingency plan" once he perished was Operation: Cinder which was the star wars equivalent of the Nero Degree it's obvious had the Empire allowed itself to exist when Palpatine dies of natural causes there would of been an even larger more destructive galactic civil war.
@@tk-6967 Username and pfp checks out
I love how the empire basically showed that Palpatine while understanding some flaws of the sith failed to see the core problem with them and his restructuring was swapping one problem out with another
Palpatine only saw the flaw that too many sith was against his interest. Sith always betray one another and too many Sith would cause chaos to his empire.
Only a few Sith he could command aided him. He knew every apprentice of his would eventually try to betray him - that’s why he ends up recruiting a replacement.
@@petermj1098 He never realized that the Republic lasted for orders of magnitude longer than any iteration of the Sith Empire for a good reason. He wants to be on top, fine, be on top, but he should have recognized that he needed everybody below him to follow a more rational and stable administrative structure. Like the Republic. The Republic wasn't a very Sith government, but that's the point of the Rule of Two - a Sith government would be too unstable to serve him in his intended immortality. The Republic, at its core, was at least stable, and that should have mattered to a guy who wanted to rule for literally eternity.
@@richardkenan2891 I agree. His entire plan was a simple divide and conquer to create the Empire. He fooled the Separatists just as much as the Republic on his promises of peace. Palpatine’s obsession of “unlimited power” made him selfish not to give power to politicians who can efficiently enforce for him in the galaxy.
@@richardkenan2891 Imagine a non-evil but amoral Palpatine taking charge of the Republic and just used Sith studies (and his public image) to secretly ensure his permanent political dominance
Heck, Thrawn had to battle his fellow Imperial officers in space combat, because one of them (or a couple of em) were traitors and were corrupt; they were trying to sabotage the work of, and or kill other Imperial officers while working with smugglers and the like, they were probably just trying to cheat their way to the top.
One of the officers that were targeted was Director Krennic, he was working on Geonosis at the time I believe (on the Death Star construction) and Thrawn basically had to save his life from an attempted assassination.
This was from one of the newer Thrawn novels.
Also the whole thing about passion, Thrawn would have fit in better with the more radical Jedi than the Sith, at least in his view of warfare.
Thrawn was not a "Good Imperial". It's an oxymoron.
@@MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo Well, he served the Empire, yes... but he was only trying to find a suitable ally that could potentially fight off the threat of the Grysk aliens out in the unknown regions. Though of course, that doesn't stop him from being completely in servitude to the Emperor and his will.
@@roger632 No my Guy. Someone siding with the Nazi's to take out the Soviets is still a Nazi POS. No excuses. The ONLY GOOD Imperial is a DEAD IMPERIAL.
@@roger632 An ally against them or better prey for them so the Chiss have more time to fight them.
That Rule of Two really works. Especially when the master makes it a point to hamstring his apprentices because he thinks he can be immortal...
The rule of two did work, it was a great way for the sith to gain strength while not compromising their ideology. It just got f'd up by plagueis. He didn't honor the tradition of surpassing his master and also, he had some other plans for the sith. Even though he's a great character, it all went downhill for the sith from there.
@@sakracliche didn’t Tenebrus really get that ball rolling though?
Palpatine was a pretty wretched Sith. Powerful Dark Side Force user, but wretched Sith. The Rule of Two was inherently an acknowledgment that the Sith could never become powerful enough to defeat the Jedi and the Republic - that the Sith were inherently too weak to ever do so. All they could do was hide and covertly act over the course of a thousand years to wait for their foes to eventually become weak. But Palpatine, as you point out, was even a pathetic failure under the standards of the Rule of Two, which required that the master actually teach the apprentice to keep the cycle going.
Palpatine didn't believe in the Sith way, he only believed in Palpatine.
Putting all your hopes on only 2 people usually doesnt end well. The masses tend to filter out fringe thoughts. If a dark lord fails to discipline his student (who is encouraged to kill his master btw) then that will forever corrupt the order.
@@richardkenan2891 To make matters worse he also did things that ensured his last apprentice (Vader) would turn back to the light side.
I love that comic where Tarkin has that fantasy sequence of brawling and killing incompetent men under his command defines him perfectly only someone as sick in the head as tarkin or even dictators from past real history have thoughts like this
Honestly, one Sith that might stand out from the stupidity of Sith practices while still maintaining their values was Lana Beniko in Star Wars: The Old Republic.
Lana herself believed in the value of anger fueling power and the Force serving her rather than being an ally, but she wasn't a power-hungry sadistic tyrant like her Sith coworkers. She was efficient and loyal to her commanders, but calm and pragmatic, even merciful when there was no need for prejudice. She had the tactical and diplomatic savvy to find the best possible scenario in difficult situations, and viewed public support and morale as a strength necessary to maintain unit cohesion rather than a weakness. She valued life, and valued beneficial results above personal gain. She even disdained the idea of holding a Darth title, or any title. That's what made her the ideal person to advise the 3rd party faction separate from the Jedi and Sith (Eternal Alliance).
If the Sith were more like Lana Beniko, they might've had a chance of surviving.
Maybe, but then they would realize very quickly that their ideology and the jedi ideology are so similar that a true distinction would be pointless. It would just turn the sith into a edgy jedi order. Which was also the only reason why the eternal alliance could form to fight the eternal empire in the first place.
Not to mention the fact that the most powerful sith were those who could exploit the force the best and therefore had to be the most ruthless.
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 but there's nothing necessarily wrong your antagonists being "edgy Jedi". Villains can absolutely function as good villains with only subtle initial differences from their opponents. They can even have virtuous traits, valid points, and actions of mixed good and bad consequences. There's no necessity in storywriting to write over-the-top cliche bad guys - in fact that very phrase was used in Stargate (most commonly by Jack O'Neill) as a way to hang a lantern on its writers doing just that, precisely because that's usually *bad* way to write villains. Complex and sympathetic villains with actually-reasonable traits typically tend to make for far superior storywriting.
@@Catamount1412 A lot of the best stories in Star Wars either have complex, understandable and utterly evil bad guys, or else characters who start off as what you described and are slowly or quickly corrupted--because that's a major aspect of the Dark Side: it corrupts even the best of intentions, and the more you use it to serve your goals, the more it uses you to serve its goals, often by transforming your desires or methodologies. In other words, Star Wars is the ONE franchise where I don't want a bunch of morally complex villains. Morally complex scenarios, sure; psychologically complex villains, sure; interesting 3D villains, definitely; but not morally complex villains who aren't actively sliding in one direction or other.
@@samueldimmock694 there's certainly nothing objectively wrong with the preference of morally simple, even almost comically-evil bad guys, with the simplest of core motivations. You can even have complex overall stories around them if not much complexity to be found in the villains themselves.
I just don't happen to share that preference.
It reduces the character to something less like an actual character and more like a force of nature - powerful, but without particularly interesting motivations. Nor do I think the dark side needs to operate in such a manner to be a good plot device in the universe. It's not like the dark side, itself, has particularly interesting motivations (if we're to treat it like some sapient, malevolent entity with an agenda), and having it reduce characters to people without morally or even logically-justifiable motivations beyond "I want power" or "I just enjoy being a cosmic asshole for its own sake" severely limits just how "3D" one can make them, in part by destroying virtually any indentifiability.
I would have found, say, Count Dooku, to be much more interesting if he'd had a more complex set of motivations than "the dark side makes me want power at all costs and I don't care about anything else" - if he had more complex goals, with more complex premises underlying them, and movitations an audience could identify with, and a character that, all in all, flowed from some remnant of the nobility he might have once had as a Jedi before being disillusioned or some genuine draw to the CIS cause. There can be a laudable side to his goals without robbing him of the ability to still be thoroughly evil - he might seek methods with monstrous costs and/or have goals that are themselves reprehensible on balance, but with some valid points, premises, motivations, what have you, attached that make them such in some more understandable way than "HAHAHA Dark Side make me go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr". I thought his character was a horrible disappointment in how two-dimensional it ultimately was given the incredibly interesting background he started from and cause he ended up with - none of which seemed to remotely inform any aspect of his motivations. I think that was a lost opportunity.
But again, that's just me.
@@Catamount1412 Sorry, you seem to be misinterpreting me. All Sith desired power above all else, but a lot of them desired a specific kind of power and/or desired it for a purpose, and for some of them those purposes were quite complex and/or understandable. More broadly, your statement that people can be thoroughly evil while still having some laudable intentions is part of what I was thinking of when saying you can have 3D characters who are completely evil, and I also share your preference for such characters over comically evil ones unless the story has no other comic relief or is intended as a comedy.
Dooku, for example, truly wanted to save the Republic from itself by transforming it into a stronger and morally purer version of itself, with the Force-sensitives at the top because they were inherently superior, in addition to wanting to be on top himself, with the latter being because he thought he was the best man for the job. He was right that the Republic was weak and corrupt and in desperate need of reform, and that the Jedi should not have been obeying the Senate, though he may have gone a bit too far in saying that the Senate should have obeyed them; in some ways, Force-sensitives are actually superior to others (they can see the future, after all, and are very hard to assassinate or blackmail); and Dooku was an expert leader and politician as well as a powerful Force user. On the other hand, he fell victim to a utilitarian model of morality which disregards free will and which is also frequently counterproductive (oppressed people have lower quality of live, are less productive, and oftentimes devote a fair amount of their resources to destroying the system you built rather than improve it), and also to a high level of arrogance which inflated his belief in his own competence to an irrational extreme, and as a result he was extremely evil despite having fairly good intentions. He also, for some reason, became highly racist (humanocentrist), but if you want you can ignore that if you don't think it fits with his character.
Nah it failed because palatine put his throne room above a space stations reactor 💀
Facts
He's outta line, but he's right
True dat👏🏿. If the Death Star 2 was fully operational like he said. He wouldn't have fallen in that reactor the first place.
He made sure to install safety railing in the event some asshole tried to push him over. Little did he know throwing was an option
You know what I hate seeing in the Empire? Officers and Stormtroopers with cool hair. The system that banned individuality in a way that Kamino would've loved, wouldn't allow officers or other personnel to have cool hair. It's the Empire, not the Prussian Cavalry.
Except if your an officer, especially a very influential person you can shirk any regulations on hairstyles because that's the point, with power comes freedom from dumb rules you don't like, a very sith kind of thinking.
That was one of the things that stuck out to be the most from the first Star Wars Squadrons trailer. When that TIE Pilot pulls off his helmet, and he has this samurai topknot. There is no way the autocratic, fascist Empire would allow that much autonomy in fashion unless you were high above the other nameless mortals. Yeah, it's a story about space wizards, but when you set the tone for how one side works, even little violations of those rules stand out like spotlights.
The Jedi believe in control over themselves and freedom for everyone else. The Sith believe in freedom for themselves and control over everyone else
No, they didn't. They believed that it was their duty to serve the Republic irrespective of moral issues and such. They wouldn't help anyone unless within their mandate and yet were willing to trick and disobey the government who mandated them. Also who the hell do you think was paying for them? If you are a monk you aren't exactly earning money, and technically jedi weren't allowed too.
@@tk-6967 I think that's more of a problem with the corrupted practices Prequel Era Jedi, than the fundamental Jedi philosophy.
@@tk-6967 I mean, I think for this reason, Luke and The New Jedi Order eventually decoupled themselves from galactic governments and became their own faction (that was after the Fate of the Jedi novels, 45 ABY). And, that's one way in which the NJO was better than the old (at least, prequel-era and KotOR-era old Jedi)
That's partly why I like the jedi order, they don't try to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats. They aren't a proselytizing group, sure they might ask to be left alone or to have some accommodations but they aren't going around trying to convert the masses to their philosophy.
Sith on the other hand definitely want to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats regardless of Force sensitivity or not. They desire power which often comes in the form of control over populations, enforcing their whims on the masses to the detriment of everything else.
@@tk-6967 Their allegiance is to the [idea of the] Republic, to DEMOCRACY!
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Palpatine got too greedy. His obsessed lust for power ultimately kills him. The sith will never learn.
Who came up with that phrase? It really doesnt hold up well when you look at absolutist or totalitarian societies. If you already have everything then why would you want more? Thats why singapore has almost zero corruption scandals: they pay public officials so much that being corrupt makes no sence.
And the exact opposite is the case for china. They pay their public servants so poorly that their superiors have to finance their lives, which not only gives them more power over their subordninates but also turn party cadres into second families.
Its a phrase from Star Trek
@@BeyondtheRailz Well, that explains why it's so stupid. Absolute power didn't corrupt many Absolute Monarchs, it just revealed who they were; and most of them were just bureaucrats who wanted to keep people fed and keep the state going.
I know that part but its not stupid.
Who no doubt hated their own lives and wanted everyone around them to feel as miserable as they do.
It's even further displayed by Palpatine aka Darth Sidious Empire. When all the Jedi were in hiding, defeated and outnumbered. With the galaxy under complete control under Palpatine. Only cause eventual backstabbing, infighting, betrayal and etc. Just like the Sith order and Sith philosophy. History itself even proven that a dictators doesn’t last long in the world. When you got your officers and generals killing one another. Using fear and manipulation to get rid of the competition.
"Monarchy doesn't last long in the world"
*Meanwhile, monarchy is the longest lasting, earliest form of government that still exists today*
Monarchies were the most common form of government throughout history. The Capetian dynasty of France ruled for more than 800 years.
Seriously?! Monarchy have lasted for thousands of years.
The English monarchy goes back nearly a millennium!
@@alex52043 granted for every monarchy that last that long you have A Qin dynasty that lasted only 15 years
Ultimately, a new, grey Jedi code would probably be best for the Star Wars universe.
One that eliminates the disadvantages of both the Jedi and Sith codes, and combines their advantages.
One that encourages competition and strength, but also compassion and honour, and discourages senseless violence but also discourages passivity in the face of evil.
0:00-0:26 I’ve always loved stories about good Imperials, as few and short-lived as they were. It added some humanity to the Empire’s ranks instead of the cliche, mustache-twirling “I am evil because I like evil” nonsense that’s existed since the franchise was born. It always felt like out of every thousand Imps, only one was there because they wanted to fight the Hutts, pirates, or whatever other one of a thousand lowlives that managed to plague the common citizen.
Not the topic of the video, and yes I know anyone that joined the Empire with good intentions was morally or physically, sometimes even both, doomed the instant they were accepted into an academy. It’s just nice to acknowledge they existed at all.
i want them to stay imperial like pelleaon maybe go rogue like zaarin But never ever siding with terrorist rebel scum
My favorite one of those is a bunch of stormtroopers who go on the run after an incident involving mass murder of civilians and a weapon discharged into an ISB officer's gut, run around the Empire in a stolen ship solving problems like piracy and corruption, and absolutely refuse to join the Rebels because they're terrorists who are only causing more instability and making everything worse.
The reason there are few and short lived good imperials is because the entire system is set to corrupt people, to make you the worst version of yourself as the RL Imperial Japanese army created a bunch of fanatical brutal psychos
@@samueldimmock694 That sounds fucking awesome, is that in a book or in comics?
@@bible91 Book, called Allegiance, I think.
Didn't realize Palpatine had literal Sith statues in and around his office.
Nobody noticed at all?
Well, as noted, the Jedi suppressed the teaching of Sith history, ironically out of *fear* that knowledge of the Sith would lead more people down the Sith path. Palpatine also had a large piece of wall art depicting ancient battles between the Jedi and Sith in his waiting room. But he could easily explain it away as being an homage to the Jedi, when it was really one to the Sith. Likewise, the statues were in a sufficiently abstract style that he could claim that they were of other people, or simply just generic.
That’s what happens when you buy your office decor from IKEA.
@@c0t0d0s7 - Still, I will say that his taste was better in those days. That throne room on the DS-2 looked like some kind European techno dance club, minus the lighting effects.
@@daniels7907 Considering how there are thousands of cultures, Palpatine could have pretended like it was just a coincidence that his taste in art resembled ancient Sith style art.
When questioned, he simply said that he collected art.
Didn't realize Palpatine had literal Sith statues in and around his office. Nobody noticed at all?
Now I'm imagining some student doing a project to research and chose the Chancellor's statues. Ultimately finding out what they were.
He had plausible deniability by claiming that they were gifts given to him by different dignitaries, feigning complete ignorance of their true nature. He was able to BS the Jedi on that. Ironically, though by design, the aura of the Dark Side that these artifacts gave off helped mask Palpatine's own stench of the Dark Side, since everyone in the know about the artifacts simply concluded that Palpatine gave off the Dark Side because of him being in close proximity to them so often.
So just like his more open display of wearing Sith ceremonial robes when he declared the beginning of the Empire, he was trolling the Jedi without them even knowing it.
Those statues were of past great statesmen of the republic. It’s not as eye catching as you’d think.
Well, let's put it this way. During the new order speech, palpatine is wearing sacred sith garb with the sith writings all over it, in front of some of the wealthiest and most privileged people in the entire galaxy..... Yep, big statement there
@@tk-6967 isn’t it just a black robe? Not like others such as Bail Organa haven’t done that?
@@theliato3809 The red and crimson robes. Not his black cloak/rope set.
Palpatine and the Sith in general are really great at gaining power but suck at actually ruling. The unnecessary brutality and contact backstabbing aren't really good for creating a stable government. I mean Palpatine schemed decades to gain his empire which itself lasted only 20 years.
Because Palpatine wasn't ruling the Empire. Tbh I think we can't be too sure at what point he gave up, but by the GCW he had clearly made his decision. The betrayal of the greedy Republic loyalists was a big one, and he sees that many people act like the empire was evil in the late GCW, which probably led him to believe that going full sith lord was the best option.
That's the thing about Palpatine and sith as a whole no one questions that they aren't amazing at amassing raw power but they lack *"staying power",* their passion and strong emotions while certainly powerful is also HIGHLY volatile...they're like infernos, HOT, energetic, intense but ultimately quickly snuffs themselves out.
Taliban are similar. They excel at beating superpowers to gain control of Afghanistan but once in charge they undermine themselves and bumble their way until inevitably a poor decision leads external forces to come and cause the Taliban to roll the boulder back up the hill.
"The Sith interpretation of freedom means no checks and balances and no real rules" well this is the purest freedom possible aka anarchy, the Sith actually believe in absolutism, the belief that one should exert their will over others.
It is a shame the empire had so much potential but was always doomed to fail because of bad policy
If your foundation is rotted then your structure cannot long stand.
The Empire fell for multiple reasons, but ultimately it was down to what the Republic loyalists did at the end of the war. Those greedy bastards supported palps and saw the CIS as monstrous, ugly, poor, idiots. Nearing the end the loyalists see Palpatine's plan to start stabilizing other parts of the galaxy and outlawing various criminal acts which earnt them money (this isn't to say Palpatine made these guys poor, they were still loaded). They backstab Palps and screw over the galaxy
@@pouncerlion4022 tell that to the Imperium of man. It has stood for 10,000 years and I couldn’t name one aspect of its government that isn’t corrupt and rotten as hell.
@@ianharrison5758 The Imperium of Man didn't start off completely terrible, it slowly decayed to the modern era after the War of the Beast and Age of Apostasy. It still had some resemblance of order and logic instilled within it after the Horus Heresy.
Plus if it actually logically fell apart like it should have GW wouldn't have a cash cow to milk since they gutted Fantasy.
@@ianharrison5758 The Imperium of Man stands entirely due to external pressure holding it together. Was it not in a constant state of existential war it would disintegrate immediately.
This is why I’m a big fan of the Fel empire and think they are really interesting. They are the empire without the sith influence. It’s a really fascinating idea worth exploring in a film.
It also illustrated that power itself corrupts, and the inherent fragility of monarchy. Emperor Roan Fel was no Sith, and he had noble qualities, but he still initially allied with the Sith until their sudden but inevitable betrayal, and he eventually had to be put down by his own Imperial Knights as he was falling to the Dark Side. The weakness of any autocracy is that it always has a single point of failure: one single corruptible human.
@@darthrevan1281 I’ll stick take the Fel Empire over the New (and corrupt) Republic.
Oh that exists, it's called "every Sci fi franchise except star wars"
Palpatine being true to his nature and using situ doctrine but not even allowing any but himself and vader to achieve any sort of greatness is such an interesting interpretation of the rule of 2. From like kotor and onward to now its been so cool.
So what your saying is if palpatine wasn’t a Sith his Empire would have lasted a lot longer
This video reminded me of what I think of those cultivation novels and manhua. It seemed to me that the authors who wrote them happened to like the Sith because of how much realistic the Sith Code is so much that they decided to make all cultivators in their stories in some ways acted like the Sith. Aside from that, I see no elements of what the Jedi preached in those novels and manhua like at all. This makes me wonder this. If someone decided to preached what the Jedi preached in the world of the cultivators, what will happened. And if such a sect with mindset similar those of the Jedi is successfully formed, what is going to happen to their society.
"Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me."
8:17 I dont know man, seems like most imperial pilots died smashing into rocks that larger rebel craft navigated through more easily. Seems to me that it is the opposite of what you say. Imperial pilots are rushed through training to staff massive swarms of TIE fighters on star destroyers.
Probably because Tie figthers don't have shields.
Yeah, I'd honestly prefer if they just retconed the whole every Imperial pilot is a badass but given crappy star fighters because it makes absolutely no sense to pump out masses of cheap craft only to hold the pilots to such ridiculously high standards, that just creates a shortage of pilots and a waste of talent.
That said there could definitely be squadrons of elite Imperial pilots that are likely the first to get the newer, better ships like tie interceptors or other advance tie ships.
A lot of this is Probabaly the consequence of the nature of the Sith also being something of a civilization and not just some weird alchemist warrior order like the Jedi.
The time of the first empire was able to exist in relative stability and prosperity but after getting into conflict with the Jedi they never properly rebuilt that society once the republic shattered and exiled the Older generations of Sith
The galactic empire is just the galactic republic larping as the resurgent sith empire and not even the good 3rd galactic empire version. Palpatine is essentially a weeb.
Well the sith greatest enemy is more or less then themselves and their culture of backstabbing and wanting more power.
That and they constantly seek to actually CREATE their rebellions through slavery and oppression.
It's even further displayed by Palpatine aka Darth Sidious Empire. When all the Jedi were in hiding, defeated and outnumbered. With the galaxy under complete control under Palpatine. Only cause eventual backstabbing, infighting, betrayal and etc. Just like the Sith order and Sith philosophy. History itself even proven that a dictatorship doesn’t last long in the world. When got your officers and generals killing one another. Using fear and manipulation to get rid of the competition.
Pretty much
There is even a "What if theory." That if the remaining Jedi and rebellion didn't retaliated against the empire. The Empire would eventually just kill each other just to obtain the sit of power within their own ranks, dominance, control, a higher pay grade and etc.
That’s why the Jedi in the long run are better than the Sith in the long run, despite the extreme dogmatism.
Bane: I will forge the Rule of Two to stop the infighting over power and also destroy the existing Sith Empire so in 4,000 years after my apprentice kills me and perpetuates that, the Sith can rule for 19 years...afterwards, the final apprentice kills our ultimate Dark Lord and returns to the light.
16:02 "As fertilizer, specifically" God, that's metal as that guy's arm.
The Sith Code as an unformed "clay" is actually pretty great. Unfortunately, unlike the Dark Brotherhood of the Elder Scrolls series, it lacks something like the Five Tenets to prevent followers of such an ideology from essentially cannibalizing each other.
I figured as much in Legends the empire only really worked when they purged sith culture from the empire.
Yeah thrawn and Gillead knew what was up
@@GenerationTech don't forget Jaged Fel and his heirs!
After the civil war they pretty much had to rebuild from the ground up.
Am I the only one who understands that the peace mentioned in both codes is internal peace?
Na mate, peace itself is alie if it cannot be maintained properly. If both only talk about inner peace then they are both very short-sighted.
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 oh no, a philosophical code is short sighted for focusing on inner peace...
According to some in-world interpretations, the Sith code was talking about peace between people, which is clearly impossible due to the simple fact that people want different things. The Jedi code, though, is definitely talking about the individual Jedi and the Force, not the galaxy at large.
@@samueldimmock694 just because people want different things doesn't mean peace is impossible.
@@VaderTheWhite It does if one is aggressive. I think the war in Ukraine is a perfect example- it takes two to maintain a peace, but only one to start a war.
"Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy!"
Sheev Palpatine
This wasn't some throw away line, this was. declaration that the order was in power once more, it isn't a surprising that the Sith order inflitrated numerous levels of Imperial government and shaped its culture to fit Sith Values. Though not canon, the Darth Plagueis notes that there are worlds where esoteric Sith symbols and rites are performed subtely implanted on these worlds by the order.
Which he cultivated using his own little Bohemian Grove knockoff on Sojourn.
@@darthrevan1281 The reference to those symbols being deeply integrated into those societies predates his own meddling, the scale referenced is one of centuries if not a millennia before his time.
The Harry Potter scene, I could see Ollivander being some ancient force user, who discovered immortality, through the force, and lived long enough to see the end of the Star Wars galaxy and the beginning of another, then sensing another similar power to the force, latched onto it, finding what would be Earth, the origins of what he knew to be the force changing and in a way 'evolving' to survive on this new forming world and lived in the shadows for eons, eventually creating items that resembled things from his universe, wands are part of a Wizard and Witch, as the lightsaber are part of a Jedi, and even the Sith, however as he was not native to this new galaxy was limited in being able to use it, other then extending his life, so devised a plan to raise to power and resurrect a long dead world that he once knew.
Slowly giving out wands, using this newer form of the Force was able to improve his mind so to contain more memory,without going insane, and finding someone who could do what no one else can with a wand, control the spells coming out of it to form a blade, like a light saber. When that day, if ever, arrived, then he would slowly rebuild a new Empire, again from the shadows as the Rule of two did, and this time in his own image, while someone else gets the wrath of the populace, as all he is, is a simple wand retailer.
Great vid GenTech! Another fascinating watch.
The problem with the way the Sith operated from a military command structure is how Palpatine and Darth Vader handled set backs. Killing so many subordinates for failing kills any atmosphere of risk taking
The storm trooper trying to dismantle that boulder with the mounted gun instead of getting out the way gets me every time
Can't afford to loose good equipment.
Glad you are back!!!
Alan u should do longer videos on the philosophy about the Jedi and Sith
Incredibly interesting video as always.
Part of me wishes the empire was run by people instead of the sith. They didn't necessarily have to be good, but with them as my favorite faction, I wish they were more successful and had better leadership
Consider the Battle of Hoth: Vader killed two officers, lost two Star Destroyers, two AT-AT walkers and several TIE fighters (and all those men) all to get Luke... who got away. That's the Sith ideology
"Asteroids do not concern me captain"
That's obsession.
Love your videos!
Admiral Garrick Versio reminds me of photos I’ve seen of grand admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
If my navigation officer can't bench 300 lbs he's not my navigation officer.
Real men squat
@@GenerationTech A navigation officer that hasn't figured that out by the time they can bench 300 lbs. is probably not smart enough to be a trustworthy navigation officer. Probably a fine candidate for the stormtrooper corps though.
I like this video. I studied the videos on Sith philosophy by Coterie, Einzelganger, and to an extent that now nameless UA-camr who made a video on Kriea's philosophy to see how it could be used positively. It's nice to see a video discuss how it can be used negatively and how it can be corruptive to things meant to be productive. Even though the Sith are already generally seen as bad guys, it's good to understand why that is, lest bad man and bad things be idolized, as has been the case many times in the past.
It’s always the managements fault.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely
Thank you for bringing up that Tarkin was incompetent.
Could you, if you have time, cover the Exosquad
I need to get one of thoes free sabers, the fact that they are releasing the codes on the same day as my birthday is astounding
If you were able to make your own sith faction how would you do it? What would you take and discard etc?
There many good imperials, they just usually were either killed or forced out by a toxic and hyper competitive environment and into the rebellion.
PS. Can anyone hook me up with black market lightsaber dealer. I would prefer to have a couple pre-owned by a Jedi or Padawan and the crystal can't be bled. I rather do that myself😈. I honestly want to do things right way here but Palpatine already killed the Jedi.
I'll send a trader of such description with that description of mercendice your way. This is the way.
ayyo I can jam to the back ground music in the beginning of the video mind sharing?
Weren't those statues in Palpadines office also where he kept his old masters corpse, or bones? lol
I wouldn’t say tarkin stole the death star since he was intended to command it from the start, and palpatine was always going to choose him, he created his career. Moreover he didn’t really need to steal something he had more than enough rank to assume command of. You have a weapon made to instill fear, who better to command than a man who idolizes fear.
If Death Stars weren't meant for the personal use of Vader and Sidious, why did the doomsday weapons they carried use _lightsaber parts_ (kyber crystals)?
@@autobotstarscream765 are you really asking me why the death star used kybers? I hope you aren’t trying to say because it has them it was made for vader and palpatine. And not all lightsabers were powered by kyber crystals btw.
@Xytan That much I know, but the alternatives were much more rare and dangerous in exchange for their promise of far greater power.
As for base kyber, though, I'm a bit fuzzy on whether its properties are in focusing laser light or providing the energy needed to form a solid blade of plasma-hot light-matter.
I liked this video a lot. When it comes to Star Wars governments I think you’re the best channel for covering the topic.
when you mentioned how you don't always want the strongest fighters in command, it kinda reminds me of the Demon King from the anime Konosuba... not only is he not the most physically capable or the strongest magic wielder, he is also very old and way past his prime in terms of raw power, his main ability is not to empower himself, but to instead empower his soldiers that are serving/protecting him
Imagine if someone like that ran the Empire instead of Palpatine, the Demon King is like an evil version of Bastila Shan, in that he can essentially use Battle Meditation, which is a force ability that serves to empower their friends/soldiers
The Demon King is also well known for reqruiting people not for combat specifically, but to maintain a powerful barrier that shields his castle from enemies, he mostly lets them do what they want and doesn't force them into fighting enemies that they cannot beat, which would grant him more loyalty from his followers
Imagine Palpatine or even Vader doing stuff like that lol
Tarkin had a habit of destroying important Imperial assets just to achieve a short term goal. Like firing the death star laser cannon at reduced power at the Imperial archives just to cover up the death star plans.
Does anyone know what game is featured in the intro? It looks really cool, but I don't know what it is
1:43 did anyone else notice that random "meow"?
What is the animation at 1:26 and 1:30? Are they from the same series??
Personally I always preferred a different interpretation as though the code is unchanging how you go about practising it isn’t
Peace is a lie there is only passion
What people call peace doesn’t mean anything as that just means quiet for the systematic annihilation of a race could be seen as peaceful on the outside because you don’t see anything as it doesn’t affect you instead you must follow your instincts and fight for those who don’t have a voice
Through passion I gain strength
As you speak out there are more people who share your idea and who rally with you
Through strength I gain power
With these people you also gain the recourses needed to fight the oppression
Through power I gain victory
Self explanatory
Through victory I break my chain
You break through the facade of peace and are liberated from the chains of oppression that bind you down
This code can be applicable to many good causes being a sith doesn’t make you evil just like being a Jedi doesn’t make you good a person no matter what they wield can be either or somewhere in between
Did you actually combine the rule of two with social justice?! 💀💀💀
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 no I related it to freedom and revolution
In fact that power is almost certainly military support or supply lines
I have also created a light-side interpretation of the Rule of Two, though this one actually included the Force.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Everyone has passions, and those passions conflict; therefore there is always conflict, and what people call peace is merely a state where that conflict is more or less invisible.
The Force also has its passions.
Through passion I gain strength.
The passion that I have gives me the strength to act; by controlling my passions, I can maximize this strength and devote it only to the most worthwhile of goals.
By aligning my passions with those of the Force--strengthening those we share, weakening those we don't--I strengthen my connection to the Force, which makes it easier to align my passions with its.
Through strength I gain power.
This motive force drives and allows me to acquire the resources I need to bring about the things I desire.
As my connection to the Force strengthens, the power I can obtain from it increases, and the knowledge I can also gain from it leads me to other resources (see above).
Through power I gain victory.
With these resources and the strength to use them, I will achieve my desires insofar as it is possible.
By this point, one of my desires should be to align my desires with those of the Force; this will be achieved by becoming One with the Force.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
I will no longer be held back by fear or longing, or by unfulfilled obligations; I can move on to the next thing, even if that thing is enjoying my retirement.
The chains of desire that held me back will fall away, and I can then devote myself fully to the Force and be satisfied with it.
The Force shall free me.
It is through the Force that I accomplish all of this. See second line of interpretation for all of the above.
This is why I prefer to be called Grey. In the middle, understanding grants us the ability to act as necessary. If it means acting where most wouldn't, I'm doing it.
5:19 gotta love that *unrelated image*
Lily Orchard has a good video on the Sith code and how good people can use it. Has an example of Leia following it.
Like I said, Sith power up the same way that Super Saiyans power up in Dragon Ball.
The same Lily Orchard who said that forgiving your enemies is akin to fascism?
@@christopherwall2121 Yes, my views on Lily have changed.
@@earnestbrown6524 I hoped so. I just found it funny that she thinks the Diamonds or Catra are beyond redemption, but that there's absolutely no problem with Leia using Sith stuff.
@@christopherwall2121 The last year or so I could really see the change in the content. To the point that I knew Lily would watch me burn happily based on that I'm right of her politically.
I just realized something, whatever happened to the other host that used to be on this show? Haven't seen him in a while, now that I think on it
4:19 That Tupac hologram photoshoped into the force ghosts scene of Episode VI (6) looked so perfect, I'd honestly have np if they ended up making it cannon lmfao
...instead of critics of the Republic settling thing politically...both sides were turned into waring factions...Sidious played both sides against eachother...divide and rule...I think is the message Mr. George Lucas was relating...how Kennedy was able to get by him...
imagine the number of “noble” imperials and innocent slaves killed in skirmishes and the destruction of two deathstars
petition to make Alan our Sith emperor, he shall fix the empire's problems and bring true peace to the galaxy.
...if the lightside needs the darkside to exist...and the Force wasn't attempting suicide by destroying itself via the darkside...there is no way the Jedi would have ever believed the Sith were extinct...if a young Padawan were to ask a Jedi Knight about the Sith...they would say the Sith are out there somewhere...perhaps small...perhaps weakened...perhaps biding their time waiting for the right moment to strike at the heart of the Republic...that is why it is very important for the Jedi to be eternally vigilant...
The music hits hard I love it
Good video, but the music is a bit much
I think the sith would do very well in the Terran empire
And in both Warhammer and 40k worlds if they were part of the Skaven and Druchii/Dark Eldar factions.
Can you please continue the he sepratist alliance vs earth series please
i think people get the sith wrong a lot of the time,
Problem with power is it corrupts
and thats why the darkside can some times lead to these paths cos there is no balance if you are absolute Dark/light
even the jedi where corrupt.
In the first minute of this video we're just talking about all Authoritarian ideologies; communism, nazism, etc no need to act like it's just the sci-fi bad guys.
"natural desires" Qui-Gon + Shmi 👀
0:45 Ashley Williams?! Mass Effect didn’t have any work so she transferred over to Star Wars
Yea yea yea, intricate webs of the empire government structures and moral codices are good and all, but where is a shoutout to dnb author at 0:28.9 , I need it in my life.
Thank the algorithm I’ve found this channel!
I mean, if you go with Legends, Palpatine's ultimate plan was to exert direct personal control over everyone through the Dark Side of the Force (source: the Dark Empire comics). Sith ideology actually works pretty well if you have a strong leader at the helm that no one can challenge and is strong enough to force everyone to obey (at least, until that leader dies (that's what happened with Marka Ragnos), but Palpatine also had a way to stay alive forever).
Problem is, the Rebel Alliance took down the Empire before this direct control could extend beyond Byss and a couple other dark side nexuses. (plus Palpatine's method of staying alive forever depended on clones that tended to degenerate pretty quickly, due to the fact that cloning and Force Sensitives don't mix)
The sith technically were the race of red skinned humanoids that had a biological connection to the dark side of the force on their home world of korriban/moraband until the dark jedi exiles enslaved them, thus creating the foundation of the rise of the sith empire. Now the dark jedi became the first dark lords of the sith.
@Ecard Ecardian im thinking youre referring to fanfiction bad fan fiction. The sith origins of the 100 year darkness and the sith empire of Korriban was much more impactful and was long lasting to fandom in a decade since the tales of the jedi in the 90s. There was NO random sith World with some random dark siders in cosmos (instead of a Ajunta Pall and his folowers) where the sith was born. That just shows lack of imagination and compelling writing. The Expanded universe have much more nuance and complexity to their stories than did the disney canon because of how rich the stories are. The disney ones are CHEAP and WEAK. there were HIDDEN or ADOPTED worlds that the sith made their presence. Ziost, Thule, Malachor, dromund Kaas, (despite the god awful sequel finale) even exegol. But the foundation of the sith began on Korriban and korriban alone. Everything else is Fan Fiction.......The end. A random world just to pull out of nowhere is pure Laziness.
Maybe i misjudged you perhaps. But the only survivors of sith beyond the sith empire was the brotherhood of darkness But they were eradicated by the sith lord darth bane. I dont know the planet Bane was on. But that could be a good thing for bane if no one knew where he lived. So he can continue his machinations in the shadows to plot his long revenge against the republic and the jedi. I thought you were referring to a random world is where tbe true sith were born. Im sorry.
FYI, the sith species a religious followers were extinct by constant infighting combined with the full might of the jedi that led to their destruction.
@Ecard Ecardian the brotherhood of darknes was the lost...sith...tribe as a i spoke earlier thousands of years later. Darth Galven and his acolytes were living in the shadows trying to cease what power they can but they were forgotten because they were complacent and weak that they didn't seize power after their defeat. I do not know much about this Galvin, neither does the galaxy. That comes to show how weak of an influence he is.
@Ecard Ecardian just because they were around doesn't mean they had a powerful legacy. Not the likes of Darth Revan and Darth Bane. There are weak individual sith and apprentices that briefly lived in the empire. But their stupidity and "lack of vision" resulted in them being killed off by powerful sith. History will not look upon them kindly because of their mistakes.
@Ecard Ecardian perhaps this frizebox life support systems were CUT OFF! By rival sith. Its really foolish to hide oneself in a cryo chamber and wait till someone comes to reactivate you, especially if they hate him for being weak. They will kill off any any sith pretenders who claim to be sith to bring forth the strong, by separating the wheat from the chaff. Again...this was thousands of years ago and most of his past life were forgotten from the galaxy with a few exceptional individuals who think he is a great sith Lord when in fact he is weak. There is not much lore to prove he is a great sith lord. If i were a sith, I would cut off his life support systems and let him suffocate or i would plant a detonator in his "freeze box" and blow him up. So fa he is not powerful figure in star wars. Otherwise he would be the most talked about in fandom. Glavek was nothing more than a puppet to Revans power during the jedi civil war. He was attacked by a republic strike team, he took stock of followers, awakened after a hundred years. Proclaiming himself lord of the minds eye. But that hardly makes powerful.
@Ecard Ecardian but inevitably he was defeated years later by either sith or jedi alike. He didn't do a good job in leaving a powerful legacy behind. He was powerful during the civil but over across the centuries he would lose it in the end because how he underestimate his followers and later take up arms against him and kill. Eve if that did not happen. It is the nature of the sith. Unless he is able to regain his authority snd rival other dark lords.
Hey! What’s the name of the song in the intro?
STRLGHT - Looked Away
Its interesting hearing Pelleane in legends trying to lead the empire with Honor 15 years after the events in the films.
So, can we compare Empire to Skaven Clans?
Something is rotten in the galactic empire ( hamlett , something is rotten in Denmark)
What I took from the Dark Empire comic is that he horrible secret is that the Sith feed off fear, and anger. So their entire governance strategy is actually one of creating more fear, and more anger. The culture of backstabbing, and driving people into rebellion, the disposability of troops and people. None of this was an accident. Palpatine put together in his mind the perfect fear and anger generating society, and that would give him enough power to event stop death, and achieve immortality.
unless an empire is made based on the Persian or Roman model, it will likely last a generation or two before collapsing to a new power or implode from civil wars.
Especially when the guy at the top isn't immortal.
Good observations
I would say it was sith AND Tarkin's doctrine of fear.
Sounds like Tarkin and Valen Hess should have gotten together and had dinner 😆
Gosh I’m so mad that in the cannon Tarkin stole the Death Star, goes against what I like about him.