If jon does pick from those 4, it’s got to be the msx. I have a sneaky feeling he might hold fire for the ninebot z10 I’d certainly be interested to see jon’s compare his chosen wheel to the z10
Either the V10 or the MsuperX. The V10 came out to an early lead and the handle takes some getting used to, but it seemed like he was softening up to it by the end. The MSX on the other hand is expensive, but it has the benefit of familiarity in the design, and the build quality of his previous wheel made an impression. I could be totally wrong of course.
I did upgrade from the Ninebot One E+ to the Kingsong 16s and have been very happy. 1000+ miles on it and no complaints so far. Faster, further, more stable. In fairness, haven't ridden any of the larger wheels so can't compare. Good review of a variety of popular wheels. Thank you! Jon seems to be leaning toward the V10.
I've not needed to replace the tire. Still shows really good tread so it will be a while. I guess I assumed that you could use regular 16" bike tires when needed.
I'm with you on the 16S....the others are too big and heavy... I basically want a faster more powerful 9bot1 e plus. Nah dude you didn't make a mistake , the 16 S is a awesome machine, light , nimble, powerful all in a small package and a good price! The 16S rocks...enjoy it!
V10. I have a V8 and also have used it commuting into London by train. Ease of getting on and off public transport is key. Also the reason I have a Zoom Stryder and Etwow GT scooters and not something heavier.
I think he's either going with the Inmotion for the better price-quality relation or with the MSuper for power and because he's already familiar with a wheel like this
Msuper X. It is the most powerful, and the most powerful device for a cautious rider is the safest one. KS 18L has an unreliable stationary handle. I choose between MSX and ACM2. MSX (1600wh) is worth ￡1,571.42
Not to do with the video, well much anyways. However, since the video has so many comments compared to most other EUC videos I have been able to find.... I've recently been doing a lot of research into EUCs and I'm soon to make my first purchase. 2 issues of concern. A) I busted my knee up years ago, required surgery. I have no issues standing for 12 hours, however, I'm wondering if this might agitate the old injury? B)I'm highly concerned with buying something I might outgrow too quickly but I also don't want to spend $1500+ dollars and beat something new up too badly from learning to ride. Any advice?
Mathew Cowger knee - hard to say, it’s going to be better than running for example as there is a pneumatic tire and your shoes prior to knee, and if you are bending whilst riding this might further reduce force. As for spending money, get yourself an E+ (www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle/products/ninebot-one-e-gen2-single-wheel-transporter-35km-range), it’s a brilliant all rounder and won’t cost the earth :)
The obvious choice for John......MSUPERX! Yes, it is a bit more in price, but you always get what you pay for in this situation. Nothing else really compares when you look at what is put "under the hood".
I think Jonathon will get the MSuperX. Most comfortable ride in my opinion. Large tire. Most like what Jon already has an loves in the Msuper. Remember, you can always get the 1300wh version if price is a factor.
From John to Jon, from the US to The UK, from my choice to yours, The choice for this John is the MSX which arrives this friday So with power of suggestion, that Jon will pick the MSX
riding V10F as well as the MSX, to me the are both amazing if that's it, I know owners usually prefer their own wheel but in the end of the day I would pick the MSX, it just simply have got advantages over the V10 that I cannot ignore. The V10F feels so very grown up for having the smaller wheel and this is a good thing imho, my old 16" wheels not ridden anymore feels to small and flimsy for me. As´a commuter wheel or specific trips where in need of the smaller wheel sure I pick it, otherwise not. The controller board, software and hub motor of the MSX is so sweet, whispering quiet and load and loads of power, you can ride at the V10F top speed and then just lean and take off like a mad man if you want and I had incidents in traffic where it saved me to consider that before speaking back about safety, braking is not always the right solution even though the brain is hardwired to think like that. The high tire wall I believe makes this the smoothest most comfy wheel one can buy today, to power a strong motor the 6p batt solution just have an edge and backed up bu 1600Wh this think just go and go when others charge. It is not a 14-16" wheel this is true and notice that, but still amazing how easy it is to work around that and manipulate it tight spaces and low speeds, at mid to high speed there is no one that can put this wheel to shame, it's just a luxury cruiser, some autobahn speed cruiser in roomy leather seats and the first wheel I can take a bump with at speed and still not get scared half dead to fall of and brake my bones, so incredibly stable, smooth but still able to do the 16" market tasks without being put to shame. As great as the Inmotion is, this is just simply better, Ian is a great guy and can afford the extra for good service go for it, me I cannot and lucky for me there is China sellers who absolutely can be trusted and will shave a huge portion off, MSX on Ali is now down to under €1660, there is no beating that
First I'd like to say, the Royal forest is amazing and beautiful. As far as jon's selection goes. due to computing iI will go with the KS 16S. For off road. the MSuper X. The handle lift feature on the KS 18L can be turned off. he didn't mention how he felt off road i think with the KS 18L. i will go with the KS 16S. i am learning on this model and it's very nice in close quarters.
Thats not on the list of wheels Jon wanted. They were group into this. There are loads of other wheels out there as well which could have been included, but this was the group he wanted to choose from.
Wow....I was looking at Ninebot Z10....MSX and 18L. I don't need crazy speed...I already have KS 14s...was looking at Ninebot....the weight and no handle worries me...waiting for next Episode.
As others have said, it might be an idea to wait a few months and try the Z10. Reviews have been positive for it and it looks immense. Choosing now could mean regret if/when the Z10 comes out and is tried. I'm tempted to sell my ACM 2 when the Z10 comes out - depending on Ian's initial opinion in his first review video.
I think any of the three wheels besides the MSX is suited for his commute situation. I picked the MSX because in my commute situation, speed is safety.
Point of correction: the KS18L is much more nicely put together than the Msuper X. The KS18L is also the most comfortable to ride. Best trolley handle by far.
To each his own BUT! He needs 1 for urban commute and there r gonna be pedestrians and trains and more obstacles and he will be carrying often. He needs 1 that is maneuverable and agile and responsive and he doesn't do stunts and jumps although occasionally he will go off terrain. We'll Jon, there is only 1 suitable for you and I know what that is...... Stay tune for Epi2! J/k. I think the v10 will suit you well. The 2.5 inch width tires for both urban and off terrain in case, and the slim design and shut off pick up feature, we'll you gonna pick it up often. The ks16s comes close 2nd though if not for the 2.2 inch tire. I keep saying, make all 16 to 18 tires 3inches wide, that's the sweet spot! Oh and a tip if u choose to pick up the ks16s, like me, you will master how not to spin it in mid air *winks* I will tell you in episode 2 if you already haven't figure it out.
I think he’s leaning towards the V10. Maybe he wouldn’t even think about the MSX if it would have been the V10F he had tried. Great video! I’m about to make the same decision while upgrading from the V8. I’ve so far been leaning towards the 18L, but that doesn’t seem to have impressed Jon at all. I wonder why. Any comments, Jon?
I had to make a choice based on the wheels I had to play with on the day. The 18L was a bit temperamental to be honest. We updated the firmware to try and fix some of the bugs, but this was a true test of preference... still a good wheel with some great features... is it the one I choose?!? Second video coming soon.
Thats not on the list of wheels Jon wanted. They were group into this. There are loads of other wheels out there as well which could have been included, but this was the group he wanted to choose from.
Forget about age, I'm 54 from the UK and have only seen one other electric unicycle where I live. Hence some comments and strange looks as I go past. Nothing negative just bewilderment I think. Love riding it, you only live once. Go for it mate! This is about you not others
good video, funny how Jon finds excuses for bad design decisions in the wheels he rides, that handle wobble on V10 helps nothing, it’s just bad, I had it on my V5, feels cheap on an otherwise high quality wheel; the mudflap on KS-18L - is just cheap and it looks really bad, it could be a cast rubber as on V5 btw, but KingSong simply did not give it much thought, I don’t have any other explanation
I love the bendy rear mudguard, absolutely love it - putting it behind the car seat and it folds back and protects the units from scratches...and keeps all the mud off. V10 trolley handle - had no issues across the 2 demo units we have so far (ones at 500km and the other at 200km). Will see how they go over the next ~1500km.
Tough choice, but I think he will go for the KS18L. Or perhaps the MsuperX? No, the KS16S. Nooo, definently the V10. No - I guess either KS18L or MsuperX. Yes, MsuperX it is.
@@Speedyfeetuk if you set them all to the same pressure I think it would be more even. Did you give Jon the option of the 84v msuper x? It's quite a bit cheaper and I think longer range.
Many ways of doing it, but have to choose one, and that was the most neutral. (For example for the off-road it would be far more comfortable to lower each down to pressure where each felt best and on road do the same - this would be optimum, to adjust for the exact situation to get the best out of it). Many options but had to go for the most rounded (different tire wall depths and tire builds mean all pressures don't act the same...making it a disadvantage for certain wheels and advantageous for others at XX amount of pressure). Did you watch the whole video lol :) (He rides the Msuper X) Thanks for following along dude!
@@Speedyfeetuk I did haha from what he said it sounded like he's going for the x, I was surprised because he mentioned how the button was inconvenient, and the pedal angle was uncomfortable. At the end he basically threw that all out and said he'll most likely get used to the angle, which means he's going for that haha Owning a msuper v3+ I know the turning it off isn't much of an issue, but the handle button would be nice. Has anyone ever had the handle lifting button malfunction to make the wheel inoperable or just not shut off the wheel anymore? The best thing about the msuper is range and speed. I'm always going 23-27mph on my v3+, so the higher top speed of the x would be nice for added safety.
Difficult, sure could be but not that hard, not really. MSX is the new king imho. Just don't tell a Z10 owner, they will swear by anything about anything hehe, no just kidding it's a fine wheel and maybe this man is different but to me I would not swap and with that said I know it's takes time to learn the Z10 and quality perhaps is better, still I would not. 4" wide is fantastic for some things, not so much for other things, 3 inch can be used for everything but it's the high tire wall which makes the magic happen, not the width.
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Think u can adjust the foot angle on the msuperx
It will be the V10, I think.
To get the lift feature working correctly u will have to update it to the latest firmware and also recalibrate the lift senser.
On the latest firmware (video coming out on the KS18L, hopefully will all be edited by next week)
what about the ninebot z10?
If jon does pick from those 4, it’s got to be the msx.
I have a sneaky feeling he might hold fire for the ninebot z10
I’d certainly be interested to see jon’s compare his chosen wheel to the z10
The V10 looks so sleek and light.
Wheres part 2?
Either the V10 or the MsuperX. The V10 came out to an early lead and the handle takes some getting used to, but it seemed like he was softening up to it by the end. The MSX on the other hand is expensive, but it has the benefit of familiarity in the design, and the build quality of his previous wheel made an impression. I could be totally wrong of course.
I think Jon will go for the iNMOTION V10 as its probably best suited for what he needs.
I did upgrade from the Ninebot One E+ to the Kingsong 16s and have been very happy. 1000+ miles on it and no complaints so far. Faster, further, more stable. In fairness, haven't ridden any of the larger wheels so can't compare. Good review of a variety of popular wheels. Thank you! Jon seems to be leaning toward the V10.
question for you, i just bought a ks16s from speedy (last week), can you buy normal bike tires for it when those needs to be changed?
I've not needed to replace the tire. Still shows really good tread so it will be a while. I guess I assumed that you could use regular 16" bike tires when needed.
Can’t find episode 2. Did he choose one? Haha
ks 16s because i just bought one and i dont wanna experience buyer's remorse :/
LOL
I'm with you on the 16S....the others are too big and heavy... I basically want a faster more powerful 9bot1 e plus. Nah dude you didn't make a mistake , the 16 S is a awesome machine, light , nimble, powerful all in a small package and a good price! The 16S rocks...enjoy it!
@@lucymuffin30 25mph is no longer good enough for me. The 16s would feel too slow for me, but to each their own.
lucymuffin30 yay! I like you :D
Bought the 16s at december and I I already have 2500 km with it. I want a faster one!
Which camera did you use to film this video? The quality is outstanding!
Can't wait to watch epi2.
V10. I have a V8 and also have used it commuting into London by train. Ease of getting on and off public transport is key. Also the reason I have a Zoom Stryder and Etwow GT scooters and not something heavier.
I think he's either going with the Inmotion for the better price-quality relation or with the MSuper for power and because he's already familiar with a wheel like this
Msuper X. It is the most powerful, and the most powerful device for a cautious rider is the safest one. KS 18L has an unreliable stationary handle. I choose between MSX and ACM2.
MSX (1600wh) is worth ￡1,571.42
Not to do with the video, well much anyways. However, since the video has so many comments compared to most other EUC videos I have been able to find....
I've recently been doing a lot of research into EUCs and I'm soon to make my first purchase. 2 issues of concern. A) I busted my knee up years ago, required surgery. I have no issues standing for 12 hours, however, I'm wondering if this might agitate the old injury? B)I'm highly concerned with buying something I might outgrow too quickly but I also don't want to spend $1500+ dollars and beat something new up too badly from learning to ride. Any advice?
Mathew Cowger knee - hard to say, it’s going to be better than running for example as there is a pneumatic tire and your shoes prior to knee, and if you are bending whilst riding this might further reduce force.
As for spending money, get yourself an E+ (www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/electric-unicycle/products/ninebot-one-e-gen2-single-wheel-transporter-35km-range), it’s a brilliant all rounder and won’t cost the earth :)
Just to clarify the ks16s does have a battery cut off when you lift the unicycle over and obstacle. ;-)
Not this KS16s...you have made me think now....are they supposed to! (KS18L certainly does...most the time)
@@Speedyfeetuk sorry Ian my mistake that's why mine dosent work then lol. ;-)
The obvious choice for John......MSUPERX! Yes, it is a bit more in price, but you always get what you pay for in this situation. Nothing else really compares when you look at what is put "under the hood".
so you shop unicycle base on speed? hahaha
I think Jonathon will get the MSuperX. Most comfortable ride in my opinion. Large tire. Most like what Jon already has an loves in the Msuper. Remember, you can always get the 1300wh version if price is a factor.
Or the 84v version
He rides the 84v version in the video (the only official version at time of writing of the Msuper X)
@@Speedyfeetuk oh man, that's already 2k? D:
@@Speedyfeetuk I apologize to my wallet in advance lol
Nope the answer is obvious hence the tease. John went for a sneaky early test of the Ninebot One Z10 and that will be the one he buys.
From John to Jon, from the US to The UK, from my choice to yours,
The choice for this John is the MSX which arrives this friday So with power of suggestion, that Jon will pick the MSX
Ohhh I so need to do this same thing with Ian before purchasing 😀
lol
riding V10F as well as the MSX, to me the are both amazing if that's it, I know owners usually prefer their own wheel but in the end of the day I would pick the MSX, it just simply have got advantages over the V10 that I cannot ignore. The V10F feels so very grown up for having the smaller wheel and this is a good thing imho, my old 16" wheels not ridden anymore feels to small and flimsy for me. As´a commuter wheel or specific trips where in need of the smaller wheel sure I pick it, otherwise not.
The controller board, software and hub motor of the MSX is so sweet, whispering quiet and load and loads of power, you can ride at the V10F top speed and then just lean and take off like a mad man if you want and I had incidents in traffic where it saved me to consider that before speaking back about safety, braking is not always the right solution even though the brain is hardwired to think like that.
The high tire wall I believe makes this the smoothest most comfy wheel one can buy today, to power a strong motor the 6p batt solution just have an edge and backed up bu 1600Wh this think just go and go when others charge. It is not a 14-16" wheel this is true and notice that, but still amazing how easy it is to work around that and manipulate it tight spaces and low speeds, at mid to high speed there is no one that can put this wheel to shame, it's just a luxury cruiser, some autobahn speed cruiser in roomy leather seats and the first wheel I can take a bump with at speed and still not get scared half dead to fall of and brake my bones, so incredibly stable, smooth but still able to do the 16" market tasks without being put to shame.
As great as the Inmotion is, this is just simply better, Ian is a great guy and can afford the extra for good service go for it, me I cannot and lucky for me there is China sellers who absolutely can be trusted and will shave a huge portion off, MSX on Ali is now down to under €1660, there is no beating that
Been plugging your site to people who ask me about my 18L! Loving it!
Awesome cheers dude!
I love My KS18L so much. People who have a problem with the lift sensor can recalibrate it or even switch it off entirely.
If you get the 18L you won’t regret it. It is lighter and cheaper than the MSX, and it gets the best mileage out of 1036wh battery.
I have a 16s was my first wheel and I have to say...I already want to upgrade lol but I have a lot to learn
Excellent video! I think he's gonna go for the Inmotion... Can't wait for episode 2!!!
John’s gonna get the V10. Best price for comfort
We agree on all Inmotion comments. The tire is so good, and the riding just feels incredibly soft and responsive!
First I'd like to say, the Royal forest is amazing and beautiful. As far as jon's selection goes. due to computing iI will go with the KS 16S.
For off road. the MSuper X. The handle lift feature on the KS 18L can be turned off. he didn't mention how he felt off road i think with the KS 18L.
i will go with the KS 16S. i am learning on this model and it's very nice in close quarters.
What about Gotway TESLA???
Thats not on the list of wheels Jon wanted. They were group into this. There are loads of other wheels out there as well which could have been included, but this was the group he wanted to choose from.
Wow....I was looking at Ninebot Z10....MSX and 18L. I don't need crazy speed...I already have KS 14s...was looking at Ninebot....the weight and no handle worries me...waiting for next Episode.
Out soon :)
You can install a handle on Ninebot if you want
As others have said, it might be an idea to wait a few months and try the Z10. Reviews have been positive for it and it looks immense. Choosing now could mean regret if/when the Z10 comes out and is tried. I'm tempted to sell my ACM 2 when the Z10 comes out - depending on Ian's initial opinion in his first review video.
since i have the kingsong ks16s :P i hope he goes for that one, but ofc if he likes the larger ones, the gotway looks very nice :D
i would wait for the Z10 ;-)
I don't see how any human being would choose the Z10 over the KS18L.
wake up and smell the coffee! Dah!
I think any of the three wheels besides the MSX is suited for his commute situation. I picked the MSX because in my commute situation, speed is safety.
You two are awesome!!
Thanks Sherrie ;)
That first one Jon is on looks amazing! 😱 makes me want another one 😫😍🙈
Do it! :)
Straight out, he'll be getting the KS18L. I have both the KS16S in which I learned on and the KS18L, this is an excellent wheel.
Point of correction: the KS18L is much more nicely put together than the Msuper X. The KS18L is also the most comfortable to ride. Best trolley handle by far.
I wouldnt agree on that point, nor would Jon after hands on. Both are brilliant wheels though
@@Speedyfeetuk enjoying my day off with my KS18L at reagent's park. What a great sunny day.
Enjoy!
I liked this very much. Your best work yet. Thumbs up and please teach us more. Love learning 👍
Thanks!
John will choose the V10
Cattle grids in London, yes in Epping Forrest 😂 love you guys
Ha ha
Excellent video gentlemen!! I believe Jon will go with the INMOTION V10
Thanks!
Your welcome!
To each his own BUT! He needs 1 for urban commute and there r gonna be pedestrians and trains and more obstacles and he will be carrying often. He needs 1 that is maneuverable and agile and responsive and he doesn't do stunts and jumps although occasionally he will go off terrain. We'll Jon, there is only 1 suitable for you and I know what that is......
Stay tune for Epi2!
J/k. I think the v10 will suit you well. The 2.5 inch width tires for both urban and off terrain in case, and the slim design and shut off pick up feature, we'll you gonna pick it up often. The ks16s comes close 2nd though if not for the 2.2 inch tire. I keep saying, make all 16 to 18 tires 3inches wide, that's the sweet spot! Oh and a tip if u choose to pick up the ks16s, like me, you will master how not to spin it in mid air *winks* I will tell you in episode 2 if you already haven't figure it out.
BUY ALL OF THEM!
Ha ha brilliant
V10 I think he picks
He'll go for the MSX because of the performance and coming from same family. Challenges make you younger...
Msuper every time for me
I think he’s leaning towards the V10. Maybe he wouldn’t even think about the MSX if it would have been the V10F he had tried. Great video! I’m about to make the same decision while upgrading from the V8. I’ve so far been leaning towards the 18L, but that doesn’t seem to have impressed Jon at all. I wonder why. Any comments, Jon?
I had to make a choice based on the wheels I had to play with on the day. The 18L was a bit temperamental to be honest. We updated the firmware to try and fix some of the bugs, but this was a true test of preference... still a good wheel with some great features... is it the one I choose?!? Second video coming soon.
Big mistake to not try the Gotway Tesla, unless that's in part 2
Thats not on the list of wheels Jon wanted. They were group into this. There are loads of other wheels out there as well which could have been included, but this was the group he wanted to choose from.
I wish more older people like this guy would ride wheels here in America. Then I wouldn't feel odd buying one.
Yeah Jon is pretty old. He will have to move to the US to start the trend going.
Forget about age, I'm 54 from the UK and have only seen one other electric unicycle where I live. Hence some comments and strange looks as I go past. Nothing negative just bewilderment I think. Love riding it, you only live once. Go for it mate! This is about you not others
How about a 75 year old! Me,,
No doubt, MSuper X
In motion all the way.
good video, funny how Jon finds excuses for bad design decisions in the wheels he rides, that handle wobble on V10 helps nothing, it’s just bad, I had it on my V5, feels cheap on an otherwise high quality wheel; the mudflap on KS-18L - is just cheap and it looks really bad, it could be a cast rubber as on V5 btw, but KingSong simply did not give it much thought, I don’t have any other explanation
I love the bendy rear mudguard, absolutely love it - putting it behind the car seat and it folds back and protects the units from scratches...and keeps all the mud off.
V10 trolley handle - had no issues across the 2 demo units we have so far (ones at 500km and the other at 200km). Will see how they go over the next ~1500km.
Tough choice, but I think he will go for the KS18L. Or perhaps the MsuperX? No, the KS16S. Nooo, definently the V10. No - I guess either KS18L or MsuperX. Yes, MsuperX it is.
gotway . . .
hahah "oops that was the wheel not me"
The feeling all depends on the tire size and pressure lol
True. But all wheels at manufactures recommended pressures to make it a level playing field.
@@Speedyfeetuk if you set them all to the same pressure I think it would be more even. Did you give Jon the option of the 84v msuper x? It's quite a bit cheaper and I think longer range.
Many ways of doing it, but have to choose one, and that was the most neutral. (For example for the off-road it would be far more comfortable to lower each down to pressure where each felt best and on road do the same - this would be optimum, to adjust for the exact situation to get the best out of it). Many options but had to go for the most rounded (different tire wall depths and tire builds mean all pressures don't act the same...making it a disadvantage for certain wheels and advantageous for others at XX amount of pressure).
Did you watch the whole video lol :) (He rides the Msuper X)
Thanks for following along dude!
@@Speedyfeetuk I did haha from what he said it sounded like he's going for the x, I was surprised because he mentioned how the button was inconvenient, and the pedal angle was uncomfortable. At the end he basically threw that all out and said he'll most likely get used to the angle, which means he's going for that haha
Owning a msuper v3+ I know the turning it off isn't much of an issue, but the handle button would be nice. Has anyone ever had the handle lifting button malfunction to make the wheel inoperable or just not shut off the wheel anymore?
The best thing about the msuper is range and speed. I'm always going 23-27mph on my v3+, so the higher top speed of the x would be nice for added safety.
@@Speedyfeetuk when does part 2 come out?
msuper x 😊🙃🤣😀
16S is the worst wheel ever. Those battery pack pads on the sides hurt
It will be ninebot z10
These things only last 1000 miles... That sucks
Why only 1000 miles?
There all cool, hard decision for sure. Good luck Jon!
Difficult, sure could be but not that hard, not really. MSX is the new king imho. Just don't tell a Z10 owner, they will swear by anything about anything hehe, no just kidding it's a fine wheel and maybe this man is different but to me I would not swap and with that said I know it's takes time to learn the Z10 and quality perhaps is better, still I would not. 4" wide is fantastic for some things, not so much for other things, 3 inch can be used for everything but it's the high tire wall which makes the magic happen, not the width.
V10
V10 all day
Comfortable wheel for sure!
It will be the V10, I think.