If you resist damage 100% it means you're immune, but if you're restrained struggling 100% doesnt mean you're free, so 100% resistance could go either way
It might be opened by an expert in his lab, but that does not mean its not pick proof from an average picker at an actual door (with limited time and not knowing the lock and key).
Yes. When I move between pins, I ride my pick on the pin I just picked. That makes it fairly obvious when I can’t reach a pin. That’s one of the reasons I always go front to back. 👍
Amazing tip. I've accidentally done that a few times while counting pins, will remember to do it purposefully in the future
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This comment is pure gold ! So what made you realized you didn’t touched four was that when you came into contact with five it was way too far from three to be four ?
I have one minor and one major remark: the eurocylinder is usually mounted upside down. But it also needs a full rotation or two, to actually unlock. Half rotation is needed to just engage the lever, while you left it in 90° position
If you would be able to get your hands on a matco toolbox, I would love to see you try to pick it. You have to push in against spring pressure to turn the key. If you couldn’t find one, I could try to get an extra and send it in
Nice to see a Czech lock having been in the naughty bucket. I think I'll soon contact you, I've got some Tokoz to send your way. They are largish padlocks, and they are the things from them people know here. I believe the company entered the europrofile market only quite recently.
I feel like LPL is on a whole different level of skill than Bill. He opened most of bills naughty bucket locks in under a minute. Anything LPL can't open Bill will never open.
@@ButterBallTheOpossum "I feel like LPL is on a whole different level of skill than Bill." feelings are irrational thats why u "feel" that. Bill chanel have completly different format, LPL is doing only short movies after he allready found solution to the "problem".
Been watching a lot off your videos My first comment The man that made art and spectacle of picking the locks My huge respect to that man He goes through the locks like squirrel through the nuts 😆 Thank you for your great videos
European locks are mounted the other way, with pins being pushed down rather than up. I wonder if their anti-picking measures can't be designed for that and if you're not bypassing them by picking the lock upside down.
Not necessarily. It might requiring a bit more finagling, but I’m sure that for lpl he’d have no problems since he’s shown capability with both top and bottom key way tension
Haha, I like how you're saying that this was a tricky lock to pick, especially with this lock being a naughty bucket one, but you pick it in 2 minutes flat. Great job and video!
Hi Harry, Interesting lock, certainly a variation on wafers. I guess they could be Master Keyed using smaller wafers between top and bottom wafers ...? No lip on the front of the core could leave it vulnerable. Regards, Brian.
I think the key was using that deeper hook and not over setting #3 wafer. Good job. Lol, I'm talking like i know what I'm talking about. I just started this hobby a few months ago thanks to Mr Bills inspiration. I thought i was doing pretty good until i started using a vice to hold the locks and now it feels like i am starting all over again. Lol.
Very interesting Mr. LPL -- Never seen anything like it. Thanks for showing it to us, + thanks for showing us your understanding of the lock and how to pick it.
@@Golegoth I have picked locks in both orientations and have not noticed any difference in overset feel or clearing. The weights of the pins are so much less than the pressure applied by the springs that it doesn't matter. But that would certainly be an idea to try in a challenge lock. It would require some very fine tuning of spring pressures to make a difference.
New subscriber with quick question; Were you born with a set of picks in one hand & a tension bar in the other? You make picking locks seem like child's play. Lock manufacturers must really hate you...
id say its probably give and take, on one hand he shows how to pick a lock, on the other hand some companies have sent him locks to test before they release him to get input
It's a bit depressing to go back to picking after watching his videos as a beginner 😅 feels like my cheep training locks are much more difficult than his security ones
@@japascho One thing to keep in mind - he may spend several hours learning how to pick the lock before making a video of the process. All that time is not shown. Also, he has many years of practice. Picking locks sometimes requires a very fine touch/feel. It takes time to develop sensitivity to slight changes in position or pressure.
@@leechowning2712 On the other hand I remember seeing a video with a rather tricky lock that he had to battle with for 4 hours... (The video itself was quite a bit shorter of course.)
Just watched the video on Bill's channel. The locks were in the range of a few months to a few years being in there, but every one stumped him for a dozen hours or more of picking attempts as I recall.
FYI you messed up while reading the TOKOZ catalog. The TECH cylinder is not the one they say is 100% pickproof (they have it listed as highly resistant). The lockpicking/bumping proof one is the PRO 300/400 cylinder which uses rotating discs locking mechanism.
eeeeeh, that keyway doesn't look too bad... unless it is extremely paracentric and I missed it. It never ceases to amaze me just how much tension you put on those locks, dayum... (DISASSEMBLY) It's a waver lock?! okay did not see that coming...
Since the core slides out towards the back, doesn't this make the lock vulnerable to sliding a shim between the core and the cylinder from the front? @LockPickingLawyer Maybe something to try if you still have the lock.
I was just thinking the same thing, it looks ripe for a shim picking. The tolerances do look quite tight though. I've never shim picked a wafer lock or even considered it, maybe it would be a tricky process but at least in theory it should work like a pin tumbler lock... I would love to know if this lock is susceptible to that form of attack.
Instead of using a magnet to get the wafers out of the core, use a pair of tweezers with fine points. That way you don't run the risk of magnetizing the wafers. Of course, the wafers could just as easily be brass, in which case magnetism is not a problem.
I have a better version of this on a storage room in my building. I have the Tokoz 400 pro (a little more than 2x the price of this one) and it's a beast. People have tried to break in to it in the past, they tried to smash it, drill it, etc. No one's come close. About a year ago we installed cameras and a security system at the front door, and no more attempts have been made 😁 But I have to say that I'm pretty happy with this brand.
What about a tokoz 400 pro? I've seen a pick on yt but I would like you to take a shot at it as your presentation is superb. The 400 has a special locking mechanism plus coupling so they claim, that you can lock it from the inside and not even open it with a key.
Hey, can you shim this lock. Slide a shim inbetween the cylinder and bible?. I didn't see and counter sinking or overlap to prevent a thin shim from being slid down on the shear line keeping the key and driver waffers from interacting. It may be too tight of a tolerance, but that may work.
Meanwhile LPL and Bill making videos on yt about picking locks Me trying to pick a lock, Mother sees me doing something with a lock which is locking nothing. Flying shoe coming towards my face. 😂
Not sure why UA-cam recommended me this 1-year-old video today... but I have to say TOKOZ 300-series are not being marketed as 100% resistant (at least not in Czech Republic where they are being made). However they have the PRO 400-series which ARE being marketed as 100% resistant to lockpicking...
Hey @LockPickingLawyer have you also tried the flagship model of Tokoz? The Tokoz 400 PRO lock? Should be way better than this one and I could not find any mention about someone lockpicking it.
0:50 - "I will certainly take this apart to show you what's inside toward the end of the video." 01:40 - actually starts picking the unpickable lock. That's not arrogance, that is supreme confidence.
Except he’s picked it before making the video, so it’s not just him saying “yeah I’ll take it apart” without knowing that he’ll actually get to that point. He already knows he can pick it.
Maybe a stupid question But since the cylinder exits the housing from front to back, instead of back through the front. Have you tried shimming the lock?
Is this what we get when a Kwikset Smart key cylinder (missing it's sidebar) mates with a wafer lock?
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Hi, Tokoz is from my country :-) Czech republic. Have You tested Padlocks Gamma 70 CS and Golem 70 ? There are disk cillinders and some special security profile in Gamma
Technically speaking, "100% protection against picking" doesn't mean 100% pick proof, it just means it's the maximum amount of protection against picking that is possible.
"okay we hit 4 and dropped into a false set" you mean you hit pin 4 and fell down the stairs smashing a vase and killing a cat along the way into a false set every other click to me was so quiet I didn't hear it and then this false set comes out of nowhere and it's loud enough to unlock all of the doors in a postal code radius of your home
What style of lock was that? I'm guessing it goes into a cabinet door or something. I can tell you defeated it obviously but I can't picture what it's meant to protect.
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Lock: "100% resistant to picking"
LPL: "sounds like a false marketing suit to me"
Picking Resistant isn't Picking Proof. Yeah, it's hard, but not impossible...
If you resist damage 100% it means you're immune, but if you're restrained struggling 100% doesnt mean you're free, so 100% resistance could go either way
They just round it up; LPL is 1/8,000,000,000 so accurate to 8 orders of magnitude
well thank fuck he's a lawyer
It might be opened by an expert in his lab, but that does not mean its not pick proof from an average picker at an actual door (with limited time and not knowing the lock and key).
"Bill, thanks for giving me a shot."
How's the leg?
He did say that, didn't he?
You know it's gonna be difficult when the key looks like a saw
It's actually a message to the picker to use a saw instead because you are gonna have an easier time.
BZZZZZZ a drill
All that does is turn a 30 second video into a 2 minute video.
EricsArchive but it’s still easier than picking
Nasty bitting, lol
ad says, "cannot be picked" ... LPL says, "Open mouth, insert foot, chew vigorously."
"This lock is advertised as unpickable, looks like I got it open in 26 seconds."
Nice
LPL - I saw you switch between picks, without knowing how the key was designed, would you have used the same strategy?
Yes. When I move between pins, I ride my pick on the pin I just picked. That makes it fairly obvious when I can’t reach a pin. That’s one of the reasons I always go front to back. 👍
LockPickingLawyer awesome, thanks!
Amazing tip. I've accidentally done that a few times while counting pins, will remember to do it purposefully in the future
This comment is pure gold ! So what made you realized you didn’t touched four was that when you came into contact with five it was way too far from three to be four ?
@ Correct.
I have one minor and one major remark: the eurocylinder is usually mounted upside down. But it also needs a full rotation or two, to actually unlock. Half rotation is needed to just engage the lever, while you left it in 90° position
That's why the gods of lockpicking invented plugspinners 😉
If you would be able to get your hands on a matco toolbox, I would love to see you try to pick it. You have to push in against spring pressure to turn the key. If you couldn’t find one, I could try to get an extra and send it in
I'm really bad at counting pins, your videos always make it seem like you can actually see everything inside the lock, great video!
Reach out, with your feelings Luke!
Oh, THAT'S what wafers are in a lock! I just assumed it was a metal disc with notches the key goes thru. Good to see this one gutted.
I was working in Tokoz 11 years ago. They probably makes the best locks in the Czech Republic
Nice to see a Czech lock having been in the naughty bucket. I think I'll soon contact you, I've got some Tokoz to send your way. They are largish padlocks, and they are the things from them people know here. I believe the company entered the europrofile market only quite recently.
Great pick. Have you ever thought about letting Bill try to open some of your tougher locks that might have given you trouble?
I wanna see bill cry
He smashes them fire and might, never an unopened lock with lpl :D
I feel like LPL is on a whole different level of skill than Bill. He opened most of bills naughty bucket locks in under a minute. Anything LPL can't open Bill will never open.
I doubt LPL has one single lock he can't open.
@@ButterBallTheOpossum "I feel like LPL is on a whole different level of skill than Bill." feelings are irrational thats why u "feel" that. Bill chanel have completly different format, LPL is doing only short movies after he allready found solution to the "problem".
So glad i found this channel. I’m new here but i watched like 30 videos of yours today. Your channel is truly addictive. Keep it up 💪
“Okay and we’re going to start by inverting gravity.”
Awesome picking brother,thanks to Bosnian Bill for providing the locks for your naughty bucket chronicles videos!
Been watching a lot off your videos
My first comment
The man that made art and spectacle of picking the locks
My huge respect to that man
He goes through the locks like squirrel through the nuts 😆
Thank you for your great videos
European locks are mounted the other way, with pins being pushed down rather than up. I wonder if their anti-picking measures can't be designed for that and if you're not bypassing them by picking the lock upside down.
Not necessarily. It might requiring a bit more finagling, but I’m sure that for lpl he’d have no problems since he’s shown capability with both top and bottom key way tension
It lasted barely over 2 minutes. Wow LPL, very nice.
Extra thanks for gutting that one!
Loving the naughty bucket picks.
This dudes forplay is 100% a chastity belt. Love these videos.
Haha, I like how you're saying that this was a tricky lock to pick, especially with this lock being a naughty bucket one, but you pick it in 2 minutes flat. Great job and video!
I've been really enjoying this series. Awesome content.
Hi Harry, Interesting lock, certainly a variation on wafers. I guess they could be Master Keyed using smaller wafers between top and bottom wafers ...? No lip on the front of the core could leave it vulnerable. Regards, Brian.
Yup, shimming from the front is definitely a problem with this design.
Pretty mental seeing a wafer lock in a naughty bucket but good job as those wafers are definately alien technology.😎✌🇦🇺
They're definitely not normal wafers.
Gary Rumain that's for sure Gary. I must say, I've never seen anything like them before.
Let's get this out onto a tray. Nice!
I know this meme! :D
Very good picking there LPL. And what a great lock. Thanks for sharing this one
Looks to be a challenge to assemble.
I think the key was using that deeper hook and not over setting #3 wafer. Good job. Lol, I'm talking like i know what I'm talking about. I just started this hobby a few months ago thanks to Mr Bills inspiration. I thought i was doing pretty good until i started using a vice to hold the locks and now it feels like i am starting all over again. Lol.
Wow. really interesting design I would likely never see otherwise.
Thanks.
Absurd bidding? I actually thought that was a bump key at first!
Very cool wafer lock. I was not expecting that. The guts of an Illinois Duo are interesting but this is as well having wafer drivers.
Very interesting Mr. LPL -- Never seen anything like it. Thanks for showing it to us, + thanks for showing us your understanding of the lock and how to pick it.
Since this is a eurolock, I think you should pick those upside down, or for us europeans, the correct way a lock should be installed :-P
Seminko thrse are installed both ways depending on door in southern hemisphere
I agreed, I think it's kind of cheating as the upside down should make the overset way more difficult to deal with.
@@Golegoth I have picked locks in both orientations and have not noticed any difference in overset feel or clearing. The weights of the pins are so much less than the pressure applied by the springs that it doesn't matter.
But that would certainly be an idea to try in a challenge lock. It would require some very fine tuning of spring pressures to make a difference.
We are going to need a bigger bucket Bill ! Lol,, 😁✌
I believe that’s the longest pick I’ve ever seen you have to do. Good job though. Waiting on my pick set to come in so I can start my journey!
Good luck
New subscriber with quick question;
Were you born with a set of picks in one hand & a tension bar in the other?
You make picking locks seem like child's play.
Lock manufacturers must really hate you...
id say its probably give and take, on one hand he shows how to pick a lock, on the other hand some companies have sent him locks to test before they release him to get input
It's a bit depressing to go back to picking after watching his videos as a beginner 😅 feels like my cheep training locks are much more difficult than his security ones
@@japascho One thing to keep in mind - he may spend several hours learning how to pick the lock before making a video of the process. All that time is not shown.
Also, he has many years of practice. Picking locks sometimes requires a very fine touch/feel. It takes time to develop sensitivity to slight changes in position or pressure.
He has had a couple bets where he has to open the mailing pouch and open lock it 5 or less... The whole video was 3 minutes.
@@leechowning2712 On the other hand I remember seeing a video with a rather tricky lock that he had to battle with for 4 hours...
(The video itself was quite a bit shorter of course.)
How long do locks have to resist Bill’s picking efforts to be put in the “naughty bucket”?
Just watched the video on Bill's channel. The locks were in the range of a few months to a few years being in there, but every one stumped him for a dozen hours or more of picking attempts as I recall.
FYI you messed up while reading the TOKOZ catalog. The TECH cylinder is not the one they say is 100% pickproof (they have it listed as highly resistant). The lockpicking/bumping proof one is the PRO 300/400 cylinder which uses rotating discs locking mechanism.
Very cool lock,and you picked it like a champion
eeeeeh, that keyway doesn't look too bad... unless it is extremely paracentric and I missed it.
It never ceases to amaze me just how much tension you put on those locks, dayum...
(DISASSEMBLY)
It's a waver lock?! okay did not see that coming...
startin to feel real bad for bill xD
So.... It's ALMOST 100% lockpicking proof. Lol. Well done and keep on picking
Great video! But when is LockPickingLawyer after dark coming out?
A wafer lock!! I didn’t expect that!!!
Since the core slides out towards the back, doesn't this make the lock vulnerable to sliding a shim between the core and the cylinder from the front? @LockPickingLawyer Maybe something to try if you still have the lock.
I was just thinking the same thing, it looks ripe for a shim picking. The tolerances do look quite tight though. I've never shim picked a wafer lock or even considered it, maybe it would be a tricky process but at least in theory it should work like a pin tumbler lock... I would love to know if this lock is susceptible to that form of attack.
I thought with that bitting that it was a challenge lock. Thanks for pointing out that MACS doesn't seem to apply to this style of lock.
You know its a challenge when there is an AD interrupting the lock picking process😁
Seems like the student has surpasses the master, nailing these locks Bill had problems with.
Instead of using a magnet to get the wafers out of the core, use a pair of tweezers with fine points. That way you don't run the risk of magnetizing the wafers. Of course, the wafers could just as easily be brass, in which case magnetism is not a problem.
💯 pick resistant. 😂 LPL has the last laugh again!
I have a better version of this on a storage room in my building. I have the Tokoz 400 pro (a little more than 2x the price of this one) and it's a beast. People have tried to break in to it in the past, they tried to smash it, drill it, etc. No one's come close. About a year ago we installed cameras and a security system at the front door, and no more attempts have been made 😁 But I have to say that I'm pretty happy with this brand.
What about a tokoz 400 pro? I've seen a pick on yt but I would like you to take a shot at it as your presentation is superb. The 400 has a special locking mechanism plus coupling so they claim, that you can lock it from the inside and not even open it with a key.
Congrats on 1M Subs!
Number four is like "can't touch this".
I've never seen anything like it, very neat lock!
the new snail spiral core will exceed all picking expectations, including sets, feedback, false gates, shimming, etc....
This man is a badass
Hey, can you shim this lock. Slide a shim inbetween the cylinder and bible?. I didn't see and counter sinking or overlap to prevent a thin shim from being slid down on the shear line keeping the key and driver waffers from interacting. It may be too tight of a tolerance, but that may work.
Meanwhile LPL and Bill making videos on yt about picking locks
Me trying to pick a lock, Mother sees me doing something with a lock which is locking nothing. Flying shoe coming towards my face. 😂
Does this wafer and ball-bearing alternative to regular pins make it more durable, like that large prison lock you showed us in 919?
Uh .. no indent on outside ? Can't it be simply shimmed ?
I believe the core housing is "closed" from the front; that's why you can't gut it through the front and that's also preventing shimming.
Not sure why UA-cam recommended me this 1-year-old video today... but I have to say TOKOZ 300-series are not being marketed as 100% resistant (at least not in Czech Republic where they are being made). However they have the PRO 400-series which ARE being marketed as 100% resistant to lockpicking...
Is there a video where you explain all the terms you use?
Very nice explanation i like this one much. Can you give us a brief about your picking history and how did you start this skill.. thank you
It would appear that flatter is not better, unfortunately; but hey, trying something new, I respect it
I wonder, sins you take it apart ”in revers”, is it open for shimming?
do you think a relatively minor change in tolerances would greatly increase security?
yay, longest LPL video not involving tape
also not sure how I feel about a Lawyer that can pick locks
Nice pick job LPL. As always, I enjoy watching your videos. I was just wondering if these kinds of locks can be picked with an EPG?
Hey @LockPickingLawyer have you also tried the flagship model of Tokoz? The Tokoz 400 PRO lock? Should be way better than this one and I could not find any mention about someone lockpicking it.
do you think that the wafer ball bearing design is better than security pins?
No
@@lockpickinglawyer I agree. I feel that the design is less secure. The difficulty on this lock was due to the extreme bitting.
0:50 - "I will certainly take this apart to show you what's inside toward the end of the video." 01:40 - actually starts picking the unpickable lock. That's not arrogance, that is supreme confidence.
Except he’s picked it before making the video, so it’s not just him saying “yeah I’ll take it apart” without knowing that he’ll actually get to that point. He already knows he can pick it.
Where experts fail...LPL steps in! 😮💨💯
Wow, that bitting is extremely aggressive.
Pin 4: Cant touch this doo doo doo doo do do do do
MC HAMMER
But lpl is too legit to quit.
You pick all these European locks upsidedown. If it was in a door you would have to pick the other way. How come you dont practice both directions?
As always, nice work. (Wish I were so dexterous.)
Do the bearings make it more difficult to manipulate the wafers? Are they free rolling whilst assembled?
The only thing that will ever be pick proof is a keyway that has been welded shut.
Great job and good luck
Maybe a stupid question
But since the cylinder exits the housing from front to back, instead of back through the front. Have you tried shimming the lock?
Interesting lock there. Thanks for showing it. 👍 🔐
Is this what we get when a Kwikset Smart key cylinder (missing it's sidebar) mates with a wafer lock?
Hi, Tokoz is from my country :-) Czech republic. Have You tested Padlocks Gamma 70 CS and Golem 70 ? There are disk cillinders and some special security profile in Gamma
Does LPL have his own naughty bucket ?
Yes. It’s big and heavy!
LockPickingLawyer Whoa the man himself! Thanks foe responding LPL,have a great weekend 😀
LockPickingLawyer, ok. But do you have locks in it?
Technically speaking, "100% protection against picking" doesn't mean 100% pick proof, it just means it's the maximum amount of protection against picking that is possible.
That kind of bitting will keep the amateurs out.
Great job and video like always
"okay we hit 4 and dropped into a false set"
you mean you hit pin 4 and fell down the stairs smashing a vase and killing a cat along the way into a false set
every other click to me was so quiet I didn't hear it and then this false set comes out of nowhere and it's loud enough to unlock all of the doors in a postal code radius of your home
Awesome video
This looked fairly easy for LPL. I’m curious why Bill couldn’t pick it!
I have to ask you something, do you read from a script because when speak on a video it's perfect every time and it's the same depending on the video.
How long have you been picking locks and wow I love that lock it's so different
What style of lock was that? I'm guessing it goes into a cabinet door or something.
I can tell you defeated it obviously but I can't picture what it's meant to protect.
Europrofile is standard type lock for doors in Europe - both out and inside.
Bill has another one for you LPL.
Can’t be picked LPL - hold my beer
What are these locks actually used for? Sorry for the ignorant quesfion
Let's get some tension here and done
The lock is being picked upside down to how it is used in the door. Surly that makes some difference in picking it?!?
does the US really insert its keys w/ the bitting pointing upwards ?