UK's Migrant Crisis "Solution" Is Stupid And Evil
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- Live-streamed on April 26, 2024
Emma speaks with political commentator Owen Jones to round up the week in news.
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Jones walks Emma through the performative cruelty of the UK’s Tory government’s ongoing illegal and immoral deportation scheme for asylum seekers.
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Just making sure everyone knows if someone deported to Rwanda breaks the law there, Rwanda gets to send them back to the UK.
The cost to send a single asylum seeker to Rwanda has been calculated to be £1.8m.
But the Tories are adamant they spend money more wisely than anyone.
The world is dumb and evil
mammals* are dumb and evil
I wouldn't call it dumb, most people who do evil things on this level is actually really smart and manipulative. If everyone was stupid they wouldn't get anywhere... besides this have more to do with funding Paul's gold exploits then being "deterrence" against the small boat migrants. They are very much aware of the gold coming into Rwanda from Congo, but for that to keep on happening they need to help fund the paramilitary groups acting in eastern Congo. Many lords invest in the gold industry and earn way more by supporting Rwanda over Congo.
But at least it’s also smart and good.
@@whysocurious7366 nope, that's just dumb people being effected by dumb people things, like hope.
Conservatism is the poisoned pill. It always has been.
Don't worry it gets worse:
M23, a Rwanda-backed rebel group, is back after around a decade's hiatus and is killing and maiming entire villages in mineral resource-rich east Congo. They've got nice new weapons and shiny new uniforms with the same camo pattern as the Rwandan military.
Also, we Brits have sent Rwanda over £250,000,000 in the last year or so - a significant boost to Rwanda's GDP.
I'm sure that's totally unrelated though.
Remember, Rwanda is safe, the legislation says so. If M23 seize power and a civil war erupts, the law says it's still safe.
If there is an outbreak of ebola or bubonic plague, it's safe. If it is ravaged by wildfire, floods, earthquakes, tornados, hit by an asteroid or invaded by space pirates it's..... You know the rest.
I've always been a labour voter but the Conservatives of the last century at least had a certain amount of shame and even when they didn't have that they had a degree of competence.
Now I fully understand why my compatriot Aneurin Bevan called them "lower than vermin".
Maybe one day Britain will get over its fascination with funding terroristic paramilitary groups.
Typical leftist ignorance. Leaving aside the baseless accusation of M23 being "Rwanda-backed", what does the resurgence of M23 in Congo have to do with the safety of Rwanda? Have you actually even been in Rwanda or in the region?
It would serve you better to actually get the info on the ground because M23 aren't the ones doing the killing. Instead it's the other extremist groups, namely FDLR (the designated terrorist and genocidal group composed of those fled from Rwanda to DRC after committing the genocide against the Tutsi in 1994 ), MaiMai, Wazalendo, Nyatura, etc. All these groups mentioned are backed by the DRC government, so in essence, it's the government discriminating and killing its own "Tutsi"and "Rwandophone" people. Just FYI if you're willing to learn.
@@andyknowles772M23 is a Congolese rebel group, genius! It has nothing to do with Rwanda whatsoever.
@@dukode
Thanks. It does seem to have quite a lot to do with Rwanda though, doesn't it?
these laws come straight from the Australians playbook, and it was Tony Abbott (ex Aussie Prime Minister) and Alexander Downer (ex Aussie Foreign Affairs Minister) that helped to inspire the UK government in the black arts of Asylum Seeker instant Deportation. These two chaps are loved by the far right in Australia.
Yeh Downer hasn't seen a cushy government appointment he doesn't like since leaving parliament ........ Where is that cockroach ATM ?
Australia doesn't want illegals.
Yeah that is because it worked. It stopped the boats in Australia
@@joshuabernie1701 historically Australia was where the Brits sent the boats
@@SDMcC1916 And the US too, for that matter.
Thank the Australian Liberal Party ( bigoted Conservative’s ) for designing this scheme.
I'm from the UK. This policy makes no sense. The purpose of it is to cause pain to asylum seekers. It is a deterrant to scare ligitemate (and illigitemate) asylum seekers into not coming to the UK.
So, the part that doesn't make sense is people either are for or against it. Those who are for it, are likely pissed at the tories anyway due to the narrative that this form of immigration is "out of control" and the Tories aren't doing "enough" to fix it. Those who are against it (and tbh a lot of what the Tories have tried to solve the migrant "crysis") will hate them even more for trying this.
There is also the fact that this policy won't work and will cost the UK a rediculous amount of money. The former I can say as they can only send 300 people, and those people have been chosen. I.e. it doesn't affect new migrants as they categorically cannot be sent to Rwanda
Edit: also, it wasn't mentioned here but the huge cost comes out of the foreign aid budget. I guess helping those in need includes forcibly depicting asylum seekers now...
Bet you won’t have them living in you’re street would you ?
@@johnjantz1361 Sure would take them into my place if I could. Not everyone is racist like you, stop projecting.
Second point, pushing some nonsense personal responsibility bs, when criticising the gvt. is the lowest form of comeback you can make...
@@elwoodzmake yeah right not a racist but why should someone entering a country illegally get accepted over someone waiting their turn you get home find a thief in you’re house he entered illegally through you’re window do you accept him with open arms
@@elwoodzmake none are asylum seekers they are coming from France last time I checked France is a safe country no war there they are benefit migrants coming from third world countries still living in the dark ages because they choose war and greed and kill over religion and no most britains don’t want that shit on their streets
Full agree, bare in mind as well Suella Braverman, who pushed for this, just so happened to have a lot of work contracts in Rwanda who made their way into high level government positions.
Once again it's a Tory scam.
Stupid and evil. Thats our motto these days.
"Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results." -- Margaret Atwood.
Tory policies in a nutshell.
👍 Emma and Owen! Two of my favourite people!
The british press has been utterly incompetent regarding this issue and "solution", the whole scheme falls apart with any one of the following questions,
How many fewer migrants will there be for this bill?(for everyone they send Rwanda is in their right to send one back)
How much per person do you pay for this bill? (Its more then housing them in the UK for 5 years would cost)
Are people sent to Rwanda onligated to stay there and is there anything preventing them from coming back? (Nope even the Rwanda government can "deport" anyone sent to them whenever)
Even if you accepted the premise the immigration requires cruelty which it does not, this bill is litterally incapable of doing the things it is meant to nevermind acting as a deterrent to people who know there is next to no chance of that happening to them if they migrate to the UK.
Me as an Australian ....... Acts casual , all these ideas come from us unfortunately
UK government really saw the Spongebob "Push it somewhere else" meme and decided to base their entire policy on it
Owen is fantastic!
Owen on Majority Report? Is this a cross over episode?!
Great interview, Owen is fantastic ✊️
Emma and Owen, two of my favorite UA-cam talking heads! Keep up the good work!
Yep this is some of the worse shit going on right now
What Owen forgot to mention is that with BREXIT the UK also left the Dublin Agreement, which would have allowed government authorities to return asylum seekers to the continent to process their claims. Staying within the regulation would have been possible and even expressly desired by the EU. However, the British government rejected this request because it would have been obliged to accept a certain quota of refugees with a positive decision.
Uk needs to urgently come out of the HRC and deport under their own Sovereignty.
Cruelty, does this word exist in posh vocabulary 😂😂😂
Rwanda is currently aiding in the genocide happening within Congo. Rwanda is not living up to international or humanitarian standards, and hasn't lived up to those standards in a long while (ex. the atrocious Rwandan Genocide).
Sending migrants (especially Non-Rwandan migrants) to Rwanda is nonsensical and cruel.
They are sending them to Dublin, look at the amount of people living tents there. The Irish are being to told stop blaming the British for our problem's, even though its the source of the issue. I can see this being the straw that breaks the camels back, when it comes to Northern Irelands existence. Reunification is the Irish solution
🎶Would you like to see our colored cousins home again? My friend... All you have to do is follow the worms!🎶 Pink Floyd basically nailed post brexit UK.
Well it was written about Thatcherite Britain and considering things have continued in that vein but degenerating more and more as the decades goes on I guess it's not a surprise but your right for sure. The Wall was the first Pink Floyd album I was introduced to (I remember watching the movie and being captivated when I was under 5 in the early 80s-its still my favourite now).
I dunno, I wish Scotland could be an independent country because I genuinely feel we would be more welcoming (although there would obviously be a vocal minority, there always is), I have NO hate for England or the English I HAVE to point that out but Westminster is an utter cesspool (again Holyrood isn't perfect but in comparison), the Lords is utterly undemocratic and we have no say in tragedies and sickening policies the Tories push through and sadly I can't see Labour being that much better-although they would certainly be better than the Tories naturally-because sadly they have lost their core values in my eyes.
I actually would have voted for Labour if Corbyn had become the candidate for the first time since I voted for them when I was 18 way back in June 2001- then that turned out to be a HUGE disaster, i'm sure you know why-but nope that didn't happen and I can't bring myself to vote for them unless they radically change.
I feel terrible for these desperate people and as Emma said it's just performative. Sickens me to my core.
Sorry for the rant, I only meant to talk about Floyd and how i agree they nailed it but I get SO frustrated
@@teethgrinder83 I'm an American. We just literally built a wall in Texas to keep people out that I was told, my entire life, we were responsible for rendering aid to.
We're the worst. But I still have hope we can turn things around.
Together we stand... Divided we fall.
@@zotfotpiq people like you give me hope but I think your "together we stand, divided we fall" may be in reference to me wanting to be independent from the UK? Sorry if I misunderstood you but if I'm right it's not because I want to be divided, it's because of many other factors too-Westminster has struck down a law we passed with cross party support relatively recently that was trying to expand the acceptance of trans people, it was the first time they used it since our own parliament opened and they can only do it when they believe it would interfere with laws in England-MPs from both parties later admitted that it was really to use as a hit against the main independence party in Scotland (who've been in government for over a decade-keeping in mind we use a fairer Additional Member Voting System compared to the First Past the Post system for General Elections at Westminster, another reason I find Westminster undemocratic). Keep in mind their Scottish party counterparts-even the Scottish Tories-had signed off on the bill here but they quickly did an about turn on everything they had said during a long consultation for this bill. I could say more but you get the picture I'm sure, I feel we could do more on our own for other countries, we could say more, stand up for the likes of Palestine (which our former First Minister who very recently stood down was vocal about here but on the national stage we have no say), integrate more with Europe again, even if we can't join the EU again-which I'd like to do, because the UK has lost SO much trust in Europe due to that debacle.
I don't want to go on another full on rant so I have to stop lol and again I'm sorry if I misunderstood why you said that quote but if it did mean what I think then I genuinely understand your sentiment and I can see why you'd think that way, but from my view nothing will change, it's great we have far more autonomy over ourselves since our parliament opened in '99 and we continue to get more powers for ourselves yet Westminster has started a precedent by striking that trans bill down that I can see becoming a theme now when either party feels they need to use it and are able to find a reason. But again, it gives me heart to see there's people like you in the world who aren't jaded. I hope things are well for you and keep fighting the good fight 👍
@@teethgrinder83 it wasn't that at all. I'm not an American that knows anything, really. I'm one that tries to listen. And, don't get me wrong, I love Scotland, Ireland, the UK, and Europe. "Mature" nations. We haven't all gotten too big for our britches, over here. Not yet, anyway.
Honestly I love the whole world because I had the privilege of studying history. I know that wherever there are people... Something brilliant is being created.
I have to get moving this morning but I'll be back to read the rest of your comment so I can fully understand what you were saying. I just wanted to be clear that I am in no way informed enough to have any opinion on Scottish independence.
@@zotfotpiq oh I know you haven't all gotten too big for your britches, there are wonder people in America I know that, a lot of them, sadly though like many countries including the UK in general the ones who are loudest are the ones that grab the most attention, that's why the progressive left needs to keep as cohesive in our own countries as well as with counterparts over the world as much as possible.
Also I'm so jealous that you studied history-i left school as soon as possible as I wanted to make money (and needed to due to personal issues) plus at the time there wasn't free University tuition in Scotland like there is now and I became a baker like my grandfather which I thankfully still enjoy but still, I'd have loved to have studied history. I need to grab some sleep anyway as I've another 12hr Nightshift tonight so no worries about replying, take your time and if I don't hear back then as I said take care!
Left is best!
Can you correct your title? It's a refugee crisis as the vast majority of alysum applications are successful.
What's the difference between asylum seekers and refugees, beyond government semantics?
Love to see Owen on, even if have to be reminded about how evil and xenophobic tories immigration policy has been for the last decade
So is ours. And not only that, ours is completely illegal
Owen is great.
Little problem is that we are a small island and quite full at the moment. This country is stretched as it is and a majority, not a minority of Britsh people are generally fed up and stressed with the country, daily lives, NHS, cost of living etc.
If we are miserable, how are we supposed to find it in our souls to give a warm welcome to illegal people who are just going to expand the popluation. The number of hospitals and schools has not really increased, but the population has increased by over 10 million in just 30 years!! Their is not enough infrastructure anymore for additional people.
Owen's fantastic & I love his channel as well as the new show he does with Mehdi Hasan on Zeteo, the indie network Mehdi started after msnbc cut Mehdi's show bc of his pushback against Israeli spokes-liar.
This is old news already. Their new strategy is to ship them all to Northern Ireland, and send them on busses to Dublin.
This is also something that the migrants largely want, as Ireland has no active deportation, and relatively good payment for asylum seekers.
Works for me.
In the next election the Brits will either elect Labour or Conservative. They deserve all they get.
What option do you think there is between Labour or Conservative?
You could easily say the same thing about the US, they'll either elect the Dems or the Republicans and deserve everything they get. Where's the logic in that?
@@davidhughes4089 Other parties. If both major parties are now conservative we need to build a new left party.
I will be voting Lib Dem.
@@ItsDeffoChris the Lib Dems that allied with the Tories?
@@ItsDeffoChris seeing how the Lib Dems toadied up to the Tories to form a coalition I'd struggle to vote for them but I understand your point and agree we need a truly left wing option.
It's the same catch 22 as the US has with third party candidates, unless they gain significant traction no-one will vote for them, and they can't gain traction unless they get the votes.
With our broken first past the post voting system it's virtually impossible to get any other party into power.
We may have other parties but the rigged system keeps us locked in this infuriating 2 party system, CONservative & Labour (Tories in all but name) refuse to abolish this FPTP system as it works in their favour.
Democracy is a complete sham in the UK
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
UK population density 279 per square kilometre, USA population density per square kilometre 37. Most of the asylum seekers who arrive by boat come from France a larger country than the UK with a smaller population. The UK has had a housing crises for decades and has 1.3 million migrant arrivals per year by all routes if this was grossed up for country (area) size this would be the same as 53 million migrants arriving per year in the USA. Owen Jones is a man with no solutions.
Effectively Americans don't get to comment because they live in a country that no one wants to migrate to.
This is laughable, everyone is focused on those coming by boat from the channel. What is actually happening is...They get a flight from france to ireland, both eu so no passport or id required. Exit airport in ireland, get on a bus to northern ireland, get on a ferry to scotland, get a bus to london, job done, less than 200 euroes cost. And nobody is even counting them.
Forced displaced is terrible, especially for people who have already been displaced. But Rwanda isnt that bad. Rwanda is safer than.most places for refugees in the world.
From an economic point of view, it is absolutely ridiculous.
Nope it's not.
It's not safer than the UK though is it? As far as "crimes" go, illegal immigration is actually pretty fucking minor. It's a bit like trespassing. Absent any other crimes it's really minor. For what other minor offences are people literally sent to a more dangerous country? Just because they're not from here, it doesn't then give you carte blanche to do whatever you like with them. Why not negotiate for them to be sent back to France? The price is too high? Well that's the price. But it's really going against the spirit of international and humanitarian law to send people into a potentially worse situation than they were in before, but with the added difficulty of having no local contacts or knowledge at all. Most asylum seekers come to the UK because they have contacts here, not because we're a "soft touch" when it comes to immigration.
What wind bag wants to come out of pocket
U can not send us out , without us who will convert berkigham palace to Jama Maszid
Love your humour, thats funny!
Ok but my argument is why do they want to claim refugee status in Britain, they are literally going through 3 or 4 safe European countries on the way to the UK. Why not apply for refugee status there, then if in due course they want to come to Britain they can do so further down the road as a French or German citizen for example. The argument that “they speak English” is dumb as the vast amounts of people in countries like France Germany Belgium etc speak some English too. But I agree wholeheartedly the Rwanda bill is ridiculous cruel and unworkable.
Well, firstly there is no requirement for refugees to seek asylum in the first safe country they arrive in. The reasons for this are obvious if you think about it.
The reasons for wanting to get to the UK are several: language, perhaps they have family members here, and it's easier to stay under the radar and work illegally than in many other European countries.
@@andyknowles772they seem pretty trivial reasons to attempt it though when you consider the risks of crossing the Channel in a small boat or hiding in a lorry.
The Rwanda bill is stupid, cruel and just on an economic level doesn't make sense though. Because of course it's the refugees putting pressure on the health service and housing, not a chronic level of underfunding 🙄
@@davidhughes4089 French police have a history of breaking up and destroying refugee camps. The Tory Party has dismantled asylum processing over the last 14 years and literally created this fiasco and moral panic, therefore the only way for many asylum seekers to make asylum claims is to make the trip across the Channel so they can then make their claim on British soil. The people smugglers simply stepped in and filled a gap in the market left by the Tories.
@@davidhughes4089
I can't put my head in the place of someone whom would risk a real possibility of dying crossing the channel (and there's no way people can't be aware of that risk what with social media, news etc) so obviously the "pull factor" is very strong, whatever it is.
@@andyknowles772 I suppose there are push as well as pull factors - brutality from the French police, greater racism in Southern Europe than the UK, being prevented from accessing healthcare in some European countries and so on.
If Owen had his way I'm sure he'd take in every homosexual from around the world into his home...
Yes, and?
@@j0j0dartiste21 The guys a pervert obviously!
The people who want mass immigration never feel the significant effect of it. Emma Vigelan is a prime example.
I’ve lived near the Mexico border all my life and have not ever had a problem with immigrants in over 50 years
It’s not mass-immigration. It’s asylum seekers.
people who decry it don't feel the effects, they just get told to hate them by the billionaire class so they can keep using them as less than min-wage workers,even those decrying it don't skip the opportunity to hire them
just a pathetic display of hypocrisy by fake virtue-signallers
Lol I’m sure you haven’t either
What do you mean by ‘significant effects?’ The reason why governments like immigration is because it’s an easy way to boost the economy. An immigrant is a person another nation has invested massive sums of money on and just as they’re about to get a return on their investment we get it instead. We get that person’s productivity, tax revenue and extra spending in the local economy, creating new jobs. In nations with low immigration, like Hungary, citizens have to work longer hours for less money to make up for the loss in growth caused by low immigration. In your low immigration future how would you make up for the economic hit we would take?