@perceptionsevrything Yes, what you say cannot be denied. Big question! Not easy to answer at all. Remains a mystery to me too. And makes you humble. So Karma Yoga is the way to go. Greets from the Yoga Vidya Ashram Germany.
An acharya is a learned teacher. Shankaracharya, or Adi Shankara, was a famous teacher who started the tradition of monks in the Advaita Vedanta tradition. I can't put links here, but you can look up Shankaracharya and Adi Shankara in wikipedia.
The three levels of reality in Platonic Physics Roger B Clough, National Institute of Standards and Technology (Retired) (11-28-2014) Abstract Here we combine the top-down metaphysics of Plato and Leibniz with the inside-out categories of C S Peirce to enable us to view the world in a new, more useful light, simultaneously from two perspectives, and in more detail than Leibniz's pre-established harmony. The top down structuring from Plato and Leibniz allows us to view the world as it is: governed cybernetically by thought from the top singularity (the One, comparable to a computer processing unit), rather than from the ungoverned perspective of current science. This allows us not only to understand the world properly, but to structure the world cybernetically. with all creation, perception and control coming in the form of thought from the top down, but inside out using C S Peirce's three categories. 1. Introduction. While C S Peirce is well known to the philosophy of science, the worlds of Plato and his follower Leibniz have been less explored for such purposes. Plato was an Idealisti and Arthur Eddington spent much of his life adapting Plato to science, but his use of Mind in a world thoroughly established in materialism ihas largely blocked exploration of the use of Mind cybernetically, as a singular, mental control point, so that the current world of science is only governed, if at all, in fiefdoms. But more significantly, materialism and a lack of a single cybernetic control from top down has hindered the develepment of an understanding to consciousness, thought and the role and nature of the self. For example, Dennett in his explanation of consciences does not have a perceiver (or at best a fancifal and abstract invention of one). Moreover the perceiver, to obviate the homunculus with homunculus problem, must be on a higher ontological level, and which has to be a living singular entity, not an abstract reference. By application of Leibniz and Plato and common sense as well,, we see that the perceiver must be singular-- the One, the cybernetic Perceiver and control point, the central processing unit, to use a computer analogy. The learning curve on Plato-Leibniz is a bit steep at first, foreign to most physical scientists because of their unfamiliar top down control, which is also done indirectly by thought rather than directly by physical interaction, but also because of Leibniz's unfamiliar spreadsheet style ontology, using not atoms but complete concepts called monads, which can be nested like sets. That would seem to render Leibniz more understandable to mathematicians and computer science, but his thinking in terms of substances and monads can be off-putting. Once these are understood (through his Monadology [ ]) and if one sticks to the elementary particles scale (the particles are both substance and monads) one can proceed fairly smoothly. 2. The three levels FIRSTNESS -FIRST PERSON (I) -Mind- The One, the Monarch- this is the realm of Plato's Mind. It is life itself, pure nonphysical intelligence. Purely subjective, timeless and spaceless - with innate knowledge and a priori memory, containing the pre-established harmony, necessary logic, numbers - the womb of the WHAT. Mind creates all, perceives all, controls all. Thus the individual mind controls the brain, not the reverse. Mind plays the brain like a violin. SECONDNESS - SECOND PERSON (YOU RIGHT HERE) ental objects so both subjective +objective- The Many. In this, the WHAT separates from Mind and becomes a HERE. Accordingly. Heidegger referred to existence as "dasein". "Being here." According to Leibniz, all monads are alive to various degrees. There are of three gradations of life in these, according to Leibniz: a) Bare, naked monads, which we can think of as purely physical ( Eg, a fundamental particle). b) Animal and vegetative monads, which Leibniz calls souls, which can have feelings, but little intellect. c) Spirits (corresponding to humans), which have, in addition, intellectual capacities. Mind transforms physical signals in nerves and neurons into experiences. If Mind then reperceives or reflects on these experiences, they are said to be thoughgt or apperceived. To be apperceived is to be made conscious. Thus consciousness is the product of thought. Intentions are also made in the same way, so that we caqn say that thoughts are intentions by Mind. The human brain is a monad which contains as subsets, mental capacities. Neuroscience tells us that there is binding between monads for parts and functions of the brain, but since monads cannot act directly on each other, this binding must be indirect, through the sequential updates of the perceptions and appetites of the subfunction monads. These must be made by Mind, either directly or through the preestablished harmony PEH). Unfortunately the Stanford Leibniz site on Leibniz makes no mention of the action of Mind on the individual mind, IMHO a gross shortcoming. Sensory signals and signals for feelings must also go through such a binding process. In a sense, the binding process plays the role of a self, but in conventional neuroscience self is a function of the brain, rather than the other way round, as common sense suggests and the intentionality of self or mind proves, along with the need for a PEH. This shortcoming in conventional understanding of the brain becomes all the more nagging if we consider thinking, which is closely related to apperception, because it must be conscious.Thinking, we submit, consists of consciously manipulating and comparing such apperceptions. Through Mind, with its potentially infinite wisdom and intelligence, intuitions and thoughts can arise spontaneously in the individual mind. If these are to be immediate and/or original, it is reasonable to believe that they originate in Mind, rather than indirectly through separate although bound parts of the brain. Anyone who has experienced a vocal duet in which the vibratos are in phase should become convinced of this. Mind is the monarch of the intelligent mind, which controls the brain. Mind plays the brain like a violin. Mind is also is able to focus on a thought for a brief period, within the context of one's memory and universal memory, for purposes of thinking an comparison, making the biological brain and its complex bindings seem hopelessly indirect and subject to confusion. THIRDNESS - THIRD PERSON (IT OVER THERE) Corresponding physical objects as is appropriate- -here the object is born or emittted from the monad--and emerges into spacetime as a particle, becoming completely objective, a WHAT+ HERE +WHEN., In addition the Thirdness of a private thought or experience is its public expression in some appropriate form. 3. Conclusions This format allows us to examine quantum phenomena from inside out and perception, thinking and consciousness ontologically- from physical nerve signals to mental experiences such as thought, consciousness, and cognition. It also avoids problem encountered in “bottom-up” science, such as complexity and emergence, if for no other reason than there is no apparent way of conceiving of a singular control point at the bottom. -- Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (retired, 2000). See my Leibniz site: rclough@verizon.academia.edu/RogerClough For personal messages use rclough@verizon.net
It's interesting that even in a dream world, it is non dual, it is quite literally all your mind but the illusion is so good that you are convinced that there are individual separate objects. Only after you wake up you realize it was all one. Waking life is no different, just at another plane :)
Honoring the Divine formless Kundalini Energy everyday and praying for its help in my spiritual growth and the growth of all around me - grateful to be recieving proper care for a Kundalini Awakening - organic, not put into a lab and labelled as a freak, but helped by egoless meditators and wise ones - Spirit guides instruct me to use cannabis as a medicine during my awakening, and to honor Advaita Vedanta - living in a non-zionist liberal mystical jewish spiritual community with a very diverse range of heritages represented in terms of people and not everyone is jewish but there are mostly jews but many of other faiths too, lots of yogis, hindus, christians, buddhists, wiccans, muslims etc, lots of enlightened views, and acknowledgement of the divine, kind of a wealthy area, environmentally conscious - living in a place with a tradition of spiritual psychedelic use in a mystical tradition where experiences are guided by custom (though usually undertaken alone) and meditated on, and sometimes recorded and shared in written form... where entheogens are seen as holy and where its encouraged to question things and be authentic to oneself - living in a place where meditation is common and most people have some knowledge of what Kundalini is, though perhaps not an expert understanding, though in reality, I think its true, no one even someone who has experienced it for many decades can ever truly KNOW the energy, - its not really that its a spiritual community, no one really thinks that, aside from me, but i think people can feel that its blessed, and people of all paths feel connected to it and want to preserve it, and its trees, and its noncommercial spirit, all things in moderation, we plant trees every year, a buddhist centre can work, take this peice of archaic buddhist wisdom, that true government is no-government, even an anarchist must be allowed in, it accepts the whole, with unconditional love, thats why in the end it all works out, never really taking a definite name but many names, thus the multitudes gather within, we welcome new energy into the circle, the ones dwelling under the pine tree, leaving bread, leaving napkins, seeming to eat the peices of the sidewalk...fighting against the pesticide, it is myself, seen in shamanic dismemberment... using the mushroom as the source of the mana and energy in my life... turning it into so many things, appearing in the ancient heroes legend, being giving many bodies thousands, like the mushrooms themselves, connected by a mycelium of thought... have they truly made me insane? or have they given me powers of healing? walking around, I have a good influence on the grass, I write the YHWH removes the pesticide on the signs warning of spraying. i experience life as a mushroom, deep in the grove, near the waterskin, where a hero rests, and abides in yoga, and love of the herbs, with the lights of the flower crystals dancing around them, they speak psychically as they walk, rastafari, we are a culture, is our dream going to be enough to pull it together? we pray sacred mushroom, give us our proper homes, for you have made us as Gods, and inspired our intellect to the essence of being, so have you destroyed our root in this earth? among the chaos, we pray, lend us your roots, as a home, in their translation among this civilization, Beth Dalet. connect us to that great art, which you cause, the dream of magick, and take us from this place in between, connect us to the infinite energy, through your intelligence, for you are a manifestation of Kundalini, as is all Shiva- Shakti
Dear Sir..lease explain me that GOD(PARAM ATAM) IS DIFFERENT FROM JIVA OR NOT.....WHO IS DELUDED HERE...IS JIVA DELUDE AND BECOMES MANY OR ATMAN (GOD) DELUDED AND BECOMES MANY....PLEASE EXPLAIN ME....
Sree Kanth Thats not Advaita Vedanta..That is Dwaitism(Duality..theory name is ChintyaAchintyaBhedaBhed) there many philosophies 1. Dualism (Dwaita): the one you are saying. Direction: You need bhakti to reach God, Hence the Nirvana/Mukti/ lebaration 2. Qualified Nondualism or Bishist Adwaita: We all are part of one God.. Direction: All jiva which are small consciousness will finally merge to the universal consciousness. 3.Adwaita or Non-Dualism: One Brahman(and you are that) is there and this whole universe is appearing within you.. Direction: Now at this very moment you are lebarated(Nirvan). Nothing in this universe is able to bound you..you are ever free and ever blissful..and this universe is just an appearance within you. 4.Buddhist Shunnyata: it all what appearing outside within you that matters, thing before what you are experiencing is "Shunnyata"...generally westerners translate this Shunnyata as Emptiness...But Sunnyata means somthing which does NOT satisfy following 4 alternatives 1. Does not exist 2.Empty. 3. Full. 4.Neither Empty not Full. (if you look, it is nothing but Bramhan)
The philosophy that God deluded himself to become so many , and he has to suffer,struggle,meditate and gain jnana to realise his identity back....Its also called stupidity.
I know I am Niranjana - untouched by anything, especially by weird comments...
@perceptionsevrything Yes, what you say cannot be denied. Big question! Not easy to answer at all. Remains a mystery to me too. And makes you humble. So Karma Yoga is the way to go. Greets from the Yoga Vidya Ashram Germany.
An acharya is a learned teacher. Shankaracharya, or Adi Shankara, was a famous teacher who started the tradition of monks in the Advaita Vedanta tradition. I can't put links here, but you can look up Shankaracharya and Adi Shankara in wikipedia.
The three levels of reality in Platonic Physics
Roger B Clough, National Institute of Standards and Technology (Retired)
(11-28-2014)
Abstract
Here we combine the top-down metaphysics of Plato and Leibniz with the inside-out categories of C S Peirce to enable us to view the world in a new, more useful light, simultaneously from two perspectives, and in more detail than Leibniz's pre-established harmony. The top down structuring from Plato and Leibniz allows us to view the world as it is: governed cybernetically by thought from the top singularity (the One, comparable to a computer processing unit), rather than from the ungoverned perspective of current science. This allows us not only to understand the world properly, but to structure the world cybernetically. with all creation, perception and control coming in the form of thought from the top down, but inside out using C S Peirce's three categories.
1. Introduction. While C S Peirce is well known to the philosophy of science, the worlds of Plato and his follower Leibniz have been less explored for such purposes. Plato was an Idealisti and Arthur Eddington spent much of his life adapting Plato to science, but his use of Mind in a world thoroughly established in materialism ihas largely blocked exploration of the use of Mind cybernetically, as a singular, mental control point, so that the current world of science is only governed, if at all, in fiefdoms. But more significantly, materialism and a lack of a single cybernetic control from top down has hindered the develepment of an understanding to consciousness, thought and the role and nature of the self. For example, Dennett in his explanation of consciences does not have a perceiver (or at best a fancifal and abstract invention of one). Moreover the perceiver, to obviate the homunculus with homunculus problem, must be on a higher ontological level, and which has to be a living singular entity, not an abstract reference. By application of Leibniz and Plato and common sense as well,, we see that the perceiver must be singular-- the One, the cybernetic Perceiver and control point, the central processing unit, to use a computer analogy.
The learning curve on Plato-Leibniz is a bit steep at first, foreign to most physical scientists because of their unfamiliar top down control, which is also done indirectly by thought rather than directly by physical interaction, but also because of Leibniz's unfamiliar spreadsheet style ontology, using not atoms but complete concepts called monads, which can be nested like sets. That would seem to render Leibniz more understandable to mathematicians and computer science, but his thinking in terms of substances and monads can be off-putting. Once these are understood (through his Monadology [ ]) and if one sticks to the elementary particles scale (the particles are both substance and monads) one can proceed fairly smoothly.
2. The three levels
FIRSTNESS -FIRST PERSON (I) -Mind- The One, the Monarch- this is the realm of Plato's Mind. It is life itself, pure nonphysical intelligence. Purely subjective, timeless and spaceless - with innate knowledge and a priori memory, containing the pre-established harmony, necessary logic, numbers - the womb of the WHAT. Mind creates all, perceives all, controls all. Thus the individual mind controls the brain, not the reverse. Mind plays the brain like a violin.
SECONDNESS - SECOND PERSON (YOU RIGHT HERE) ental objects so both subjective +objective- The Many. In this, the WHAT separates from Mind and becomes a HERE. Accordingly. Heidegger referred to existence as "dasein". "Being here."
According to Leibniz, all monads are alive to various degrees. There are of three gradations of life in these, according to Leibniz:
a) Bare, naked monads, which we can think of as purely physical ( Eg, a fundamental particle).
b) Animal and vegetative monads, which Leibniz calls souls, which can have feelings, but little intellect.
c) Spirits (corresponding to humans), which have, in addition, intellectual capacities. Mind transforms physical signals in nerves and neurons into experiences. If Mind then reperceives or reflects on these experiences, they are said to be thoughgt or apperceived. To be apperceived is to be made conscious. Thus consciousness is the product of thought. Intentions are also made in the same way, so that we caqn say that thoughts are intentions by Mind.
The human brain is a monad which contains as subsets, mental capacities. Neuroscience tells us that there is binding between monads for parts and functions of the brain, but since monads cannot act directly on each other, this binding must be indirect, through the sequential updates of the perceptions and appetites of the subfunction monads. These must be made by Mind, either directly or through the preestablished harmony PEH). Unfortunately the Stanford Leibniz site on Leibniz makes no mention of the action of Mind on the individual mind, IMHO a gross shortcoming.
Sensory signals and signals for feelings must also go through such a binding process. In a sense, the binding process plays the role of a self, but in conventional neuroscience self is a function of the brain, rather than the other way round, as common sense suggests and the intentionality of self or mind proves, along with the need for a PEH.
This shortcoming in conventional understanding of the brain becomes all the more nagging if we consider thinking, which is closely related to apperception, because it must be conscious.Thinking, we submit, consists of consciously manipulating and comparing such apperceptions.
Through Mind, with its potentially infinite wisdom and intelligence, intuitions and thoughts can arise spontaneously in the individual mind. If these are to be immediate and/or original, it is reasonable to believe that they originate in Mind, rather than indirectly through separate although bound parts of the brain. Anyone who has experienced a vocal duet in which the vibratos are in phase should become convinced of this.
Mind is the monarch of the intelligent mind, which controls the brain. Mind plays the brain like a violin. Mind is also is able to focus on a thought for a brief period, within the context of one's memory and universal memory, for purposes of thinking an comparison, making the biological brain and its complex bindings seem hopelessly indirect and subject to confusion.
THIRDNESS - THIRD PERSON (IT OVER THERE) Corresponding physical objects as is appropriate- -here the object is born or emittted from the monad--and emerges into spacetime as a particle, becoming completely objective, a WHAT+ HERE +WHEN., In addition the Thirdness of a private thought or experience is its public expression in some appropriate form.
3. Conclusions
This format allows us to examine quantum phenomena from inside out and perception, thinking and consciousness ontologically- from physical nerve signals to mental experiences such as thought, consciousness, and cognition. It also avoids problem encountered in “bottom-up” science, such as complexity and emergence, if for no other reason than there is no apparent way of conceiving of a singular control point at the bottom.
--
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (retired, 2000).
See my Leibniz site: rclough@verizon.academia.edu/RogerClough
For personal messages use rclough@verizon.net
Thank you for using this Video for your website. Greetings.
It's interesting that even in a dream world, it is non dual, it is quite literally all your mind but the illusion is so good that you are convinced that there are individual separate objects. Only after you wake up you realize it was all one. Waking life is no different, just at another plane :)
wow good explanation
Honoring the Divine formless Kundalini Energy everyday and praying for its help in my spiritual growth and the growth of all around me - grateful to be recieving proper care for a Kundalini Awakening - organic, not put into a lab and labelled as a freak, but helped by egoless meditators and wise ones - Spirit guides instruct me to use cannabis as a medicine during my awakening, and to honor Advaita Vedanta - living in a non-zionist liberal mystical jewish spiritual community with a very diverse range of heritages represented in terms of people and not everyone is jewish but there are mostly jews but many of other faiths too, lots of yogis, hindus, christians, buddhists, wiccans, muslims etc, lots of enlightened views, and acknowledgement of the divine, kind of a wealthy area, environmentally conscious - living in a place with a tradition of spiritual psychedelic use in a mystical tradition where experiences are guided by custom (though usually undertaken alone) and meditated on, and sometimes recorded and shared in written form... where entheogens are seen as holy and where its encouraged to question things and be authentic to oneself - living in a place where meditation is common and most people have some knowledge of what Kundalini is, though perhaps not an expert understanding, though in reality, I think its true, no one even someone who has experienced it for many decades can ever truly KNOW the energy, - its not really that its a spiritual community, no one really thinks that, aside from me, but i think people can feel that its blessed, and people of all paths feel connected to it and want to preserve it, and its trees, and its noncommercial spirit, all things in moderation, we plant trees every year, a buddhist centre can work, take this peice of archaic buddhist wisdom, that true government is no-government, even an anarchist must be allowed in, it accepts the whole, with unconditional love, thats why in the end it all works out, never really taking a definite name but many names, thus the multitudes gather within, we welcome new energy into the circle, the ones dwelling under the pine tree, leaving bread, leaving napkins, seeming to eat the peices of the sidewalk...fighting against the pesticide, it is myself, seen in shamanic dismemberment... using the mushroom as the source of the mana and energy in my life... turning it into so many things, appearing in the ancient heroes legend, being giving many bodies thousands, like the mushrooms themselves, connected by a mycelium of thought... have they truly made me insane? or have they given me powers of healing? walking around, I have a good influence on the grass, I write the YHWH removes the pesticide on the signs warning of spraying. i experience life as a mushroom, deep in the grove, near the waterskin, where a hero rests, and abides in yoga, and love of the herbs, with the lights of the flower crystals dancing around them, they speak psychically as they walk, rastafari, we are a culture, is our dream going to be enough to pull it together? we pray sacred mushroom, give us our proper homes, for you have made us as Gods, and inspired our intellect to the essence of being, so have you destroyed our root in this earth? among the chaos, we pray, lend us your roots, as a home, in their translation among this civilization, Beth Dalet. connect us to that great art, which you cause, the dream of magick, and take us from this place in between, connect us to the infinite energy, through your intelligence, for you are a manifestation of Kundalini, as is all Shiva- Shakti
Thank you.
I am enlightened
Darry Isloan lead me here. My unique spark oh great unknowable.Who but I I say,who but I.
Dear Sir..lease explain me that GOD(PARAM ATAM) IS DIFFERENT FROM JIVA OR NOT.....WHO IS DELUDED HERE...IS JIVA DELUDE AND BECOMES MANY OR ATMAN (GOD) DELUDED AND BECOMES MANY....PLEASE EXPLAIN ME....
Sree Kanth Thats not Advaita Vedanta..That is Dwaitism(Duality..theory name is ChintyaAchintyaBhedaBhed)
there many philosophies
1. Dualism (Dwaita): the one you are saying.
Direction: You need bhakti to reach God, Hence the Nirvana/Mukti/ lebaration
2. Qualified Nondualism or Bishist Adwaita: We all are part of one God..
Direction: All jiva which are small consciousness will finally merge to the universal consciousness.
3.Adwaita or Non-Dualism: One Brahman(and you are that) is there and this whole universe is appearing within you..
Direction: Now at this very moment you are lebarated(Nirvan). Nothing in this universe is able to bound you..you are ever free and ever blissful..and this universe is just an appearance within you.
4.Buddhist Shunnyata: it all what appearing outside within you that matters, thing before what you are experiencing is "Shunnyata"...generally westerners translate this Shunnyata as Emptiness...But Sunnyata means somthing which does NOT satisfy following 4 alternatives
1. Does not exist
2.Empty.
3. Full.
4.Neither Empty not Full.
(if you look, it is nothing but Bramhan)
Right on, brother!
"a-dvai-ta" "ah-dwoy-tah"
Shankaracharya is the head of Advaita Vedanta maths. Adi Shankara was the first.
Who is your Guru? Is he a Shankaracharya?
Chandra doesn't answer these comments.
Celestial wisdom
Can this be a red herring concerning maybe we are all just a computer simulation ?
Sister Yogas
Dualism is like Pascal's pyramid or triangle.
MAYAVADI PHILOSOPHY
Karma Yoga
I love hippies!
The philosophy that God deluded himself to become so many , and he has to suffer,struggle,meditate and gain jnana to realise his identity back....Its also called stupidity.
I am Goddess
無実の
Mujitsu no
Innocence (japanese)
legalize cannabis and animal rights!!
Get of the booze mate.