Data Bootcamp Scams
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2019
- DATA BOOTCAMP SCAMS // Data bootcamps are mostly a scam. Both data analyst bootcamps and data science bootcamps overpromise what’s possible by completing their program. New companies are jumping on the analytics bandwagon everyday to make money off of people eager to make the salaries of data analysts and data scientist by offering their own data bootcamps.
Why are they such a waste? Are there any that are worth your money?
Many people get lured into the idea of a data boot camp because their selling point is that with a few months and a few thousand dollars, you’ll be in a brand new career in data analytics or data science.
What a shortcut! Skip the 4+ year degree and the tens of thousands of student loans and quickly get a job paying $80k, $100k or even more as a data analyst or data scientist!
Sound too good to be true? You know what they say about deals like that...
Also find out if I feel the same way about coding bootcamps
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More effort on something productive and less effort on the clickbait.
Lol
How are these problems different from a college degree. Most of them over promise and depends on the individual to make something out of it.
Fair point. At least most colleges are accredited and a specific degree carries some value in potentially getting hired. You're absolutely right that there's a lot that depends on each individual to do the work and make something out of it.
It all depends what you can bring on the table
I agree , I know people who have master degrees and still can’t find a job because they don’t have work experience in that field . Yeah a college may get you an interview but it’s not guaranteed a job .
@Fantastic Jelly I find that more and more programming jobs are omitting the need for post-secondary diplomas in their job requirements (with the exception being a few big tech companies). I understand the concerns laid out in the video but I would argue that college and university courses suffer from the same problem. For example, if you want to be a data scientist, rarely are there college and university programs that focus solely on data science. You would have to take a comp sci course and learn front-end, mobile app, back-end, server-side programming, software development along with data science.
It’s really easy to say something is a SCAM if people were already skeptical about it. I graduated from a coding bootcamp myself, I don’t know how good the data science student were after graduating but the most established bootcamps are NOT scams.
@@staypositive4358 I think she's the real deal. But probably selling something
Plus bootcamps like Bloomtech offer a tuition free guarantee if you dont land a job within a year in tech...Its almost a no brainer tbh.
did you get a job?
@TopTierBillionaire there's quite a few that say will give you a refund you don't get hired. And lots of them have hiring partners. So someone gets hired from bootcamps. I even know someone that took a course and got hired before the self learn course was over in dads analytics. This video is pretty old and everywhere is loosening up on the degree and hiring self taught and bootcamps
Most the data science bootcamps are gone lol. Simply because it was a scam to begin with. I spent 12k on it a year ago and not a single employer cared about it, no matter how good you are.
University degrees also do not come with a job guarantee. Do you call this a scam then? I don't think every bootcamp has a job guarantee. It provides a structured curriculum with career support. I think it might be worth it for some people.
The problem is lack of regulation. Theres no obligation to provide good quality. They hire cheap labor with no qualifications to teach and charge high fees to make money. It's unethical. At least university professors have advanced degrees. U never know the quality of Bootcamp teachers. Some of these schools hire unqualified ppl from overseas remotely on minimum wage.
Scam is way too aggressive. No one is comparing a boot camp to a 4-year degree, and you will not be 100% prepared for your job upon graduation from either. Feeding into fear is never a way to teach, so please do better. I hope anyone who did not or will not pursue boot camps based on this video will revisit that decision, and make a logically sound decision of their own.
This video contains ideas to consider, but if we are using the words 'overpromising' and 'scam' synonymously every sales staff in America would risk being labeled as a scam. As someone who should be encouraging entrance into these fields, this video does not align.
I agree. I recently applied to Full Sail's Bachelor degree Computer science with focus on AI. I wanted to do the remote program however it is asynchronous with some 1 on 1 time with professors and of course slack. The bootcamps I was looking into have full time remote LIVE classes with a teacher and one school had a part time that was still live classes. I just feel if you are going to spend all of that money why not get live instruction? Anyway, my point was if I am taking a bachelor program or a bootcamp program, it all depends on how I apply myself and what I am putting into the education that will determine outcome.
I use DataCamp to learn R statistical programming language. It’s working for me as a PhD student because my university doesn’t teach R
That's a perfect application. I like DataCamp as an option for learning programming. I don't think they over promise what people will get out of using their product. The way you're using it to supplement learning other skills is exactly the type of place I would recommend using any sort of boot camp.
i applied to lambda school and use data camp as supplemental material but i have 3 years of experience in financial analysis and business analytics by the time i finish the bootcamp i will 4.5 years of experience
Same thing with 4 year college degree . I got a job as a data analyst through a boot camp , I can say I'm a lucky fellow . I encourage to whom ever want to get into it go ahead , better 12G than 80 GS
You got a job without a bachelors and just the camp?
@@ngkngk875 was in the navy for 8 years and became a project manager. Anything is possible. Just work for it
@@hakimfigs haha I just became an assistant project manager, so you’re right. When I left this comment I was really desperate to leave my job at the time and I’ve managed to switch careers since then.
@@ngkngk875 it’s free pm training and the cert is 100 bucks. Totally worth it
@@ngkngk875 inspiring, thanks!
I'd say that if you're worried about being "scammed," then pay for one that has a job guarantee where if you don't get hired within 6 months of completion you get your money back. I would imagine that at that point you now have a base knowledge of what data analyst do and can build upon that experience.
How do you know the "majority" of students have not found a job after finishing a DS bootcamp? Just wondering how you can use specifically the word majority. Seems like you would have to talk to a significant amount of people.
I hate when someone talk bad about something and not recommend for people without saying the alternative solution if you want be a data scientist for someone who doesn't have prior experience in data sciences and want to switch carrier
I think she mentioned it in other video. There are bunch of online courses and resources you can learn from. One bootcamp will not get what you want.
She has other videos for that.
Crystal here in northern va you can get careers with boot camps. I know a lot of people working at Uber and restaurants that do these boot camps and make $80k instantly
Thanks for the video, great information! Just curious, what is your opinion on the NYC Data Science Academy
Just because you paid for 4 years of school, spent too much money and have old out dated learning techniques does not mean that any alternative learning options are scams. You will be okay.
Are these bootcamps useful to get an internship position in Data Analytics? Salary doesn't matter to me. All I'm looking for is to get into the field, even as an intern or low level position.
As a hiring manager, how would you view a data analytics boot camp paired with a B.S. in mathematics undergrad? I am on the verge to commuting to GaTech’s Data Science bootcamp with the intent of entering into their online Masters of computer science (Machine Learning) next spring, but was hoping to get into the field with the cert and math background concurrent with the Masters pursuit.
Thanks for this video, and whatever insights you may have for me.
very well said! and with the creds to back it up. Thanks!
Thanks for your opinion. You provide an additional avenue for evaluation.
I went through a bootcamp well aware that I would not be ready right after graduation. However, I am definitely learning on my own based on my background in math. The bootcamp didn't give me time to fully develop my skills, but definitely planted a seed for further exploration :) Reviewing some statistical concepts so I can look into regression and eventually into Stanford's Machine Learning course that's free online!
I want to attend McMaster University Big Data analytics course next year. I have started studying on my own.
"skip the 4 plus years of education" , "without any prior experience" SHE just blasted every Bootcamp period that is out there........
im studying microsoft mcse data management and Analytics and im currently an administratror and reporter in healthcare... can i get some career advice for someone trying to get into data analytics/data science?
Absolutely true! I was almost scammed into LeWagon until an honest alumn spilled the beans. It felt scammy right away!
Oh damn, that one seems very legit to me too!
A lot of accredited universities offer bootcamps so not sure why you think that’s a scam when it comes with university backed credential
@@julianiwhite le wagon is not a university. Their teachers are barely programmers. It's a franchise....
@@saphone9758 I’m not talking about LeWagon. You said Absolutely true as your first statement in response to the video which isn’t true
Thank you. I'm scrolling and viewing all your helpful videos.
What if I already have a bachelors' degree in business marketing but want to change careers? Would a boot camp be a good path? Or go back to my university to get another bachelor's degree?
It I’m an economist, I had studied econometrics for years.... now I find machine learning like an updated version of econometrics, therefore I find boot camps as brushing experience for up dating my career....
That's a great application for bootcamps
I’ve been working as a QA Analyst for almost 2yrs now. Being a Data Analyst is something I’ve always wanted to become. What do you suggest on making a transition in to that role?
Why do you want to leave QA? I actually want to do QA over Data Analytics
My girlfriend had absolutely no programming experience and enrolled into a programming bootcamp. She put her heart and soul into it and after 4 months of 60 hour weeks, she had a entry job as full stack dev lined up. It is certainly possible!
Which one did she do and what kind of salary is she getting?
Hi Jen, thanks for making this video, it's very informative, as are all of your videos. I'm looking to make a career change myself from being a pharmacist to data analysis, and almost caved by purchasing one of these programs.
What do you think about Explore Data Science Academy in South Africa?
But Masterschool doesn't promise a 70k year job. They say that they only get paid once you get a 30kish year job, in that field. Sooo.... ??
What are thoughts on the Springboard bootcamp for Data Analytics?
It will take a lot of time. If you know nothing about coding then go for it.
But if you want to learn by coding which is the best way of learning then go for datacamp.
@@AjayKumar-id7mb did you take the springboard bootcamp?
University of Oregon runs a 6 month bootcamp & they're a very good college.
Thanks for the video
Very good content compared to the others I have seen
I'm wondering if a Data bootcamp would be good for me. I have a Statistics undergrad with a CS Masters and I'm finding it difficult to find a job. Most companies are looking for Machine Learning Researchers with a PhD or a Machine Learning Engineer with a deeper programming background than what I have. Would a bootcamp be good to boost my programming skills? Thanks
Did you decide to pursue a bootcamp?
Be careful with coding bootcamps too. I did Le wagon and the money + effort does NOT equal any return, unless you are happy with minimum wage after.
Bootcamp employees, bullshit you, and fob you off with "trust the process". Bottom line, they are a massive waste of money.
I would say a persons intelligence has a lot to do with that minimum wage thing.
True. I was almost scammed into LeWagon. Man did i dodge a bullet there. They spend soooo much on marketing, not to mention their alumn network that get paid if you're enrolled through them. Total scam, period.
@@saphone9758 how do they get such good reviews? I can't understand it
@@saphone9758 I approached the manager in bali about maybe doing the data science bootcamp. The cheeky bastard told me I should consider doing the coding bootcamp again
@@carlvalderrama1252 marketing. People get paid for this. And shooting down negative reviews
Bootcamps compare their certificates to bachelor's and compare 12k to 38k lol. I have toom both a bachelor's and bootcamp. You learn so much more from the degree, and you gain articulation and problem-solving skills tou dont learn from bootcamps.
I think the classical established universities will love this video 🤣
And the expensive tuition money. My school barely teaches industry relevant tools in the analytics course. So I am learning python, power bi, and more modern tools on my own.
Hi, have you looked into the Data Analytics Boot Camp at the University of Denver? I am interested in a new career direction but concerned about spending $10,000 for 24 weeks of hard work with limited job prospects at the end. Thank you for the honest video.
Me too! I am looking at the University of California, Davis Data Analytics Bootcamp. It costs exactly the same as the one that you are looking at. I am wondering if the boot camps that are provided by well-known universities are more likely to get recognized by companies.
Xiaoyue Zhu there’re mostly from a company called Trilogy or something similar, they just use the universities’ names for prestige
Did you guys do it? I’m looking at this university of Washington data analytics boot camp 12k for 24 weeks. They go over the basics of python and R etc qualifies me to be entry level and able to do multiple data positions. they claim to have aid for me to go for a degree after the program not sure if I should go into it as a complete noobie or I should just do something like get a certificate at google and learn it that way
I’m looking at UPenn for boot camp. How was your experiences?
Is it possible to go through dataquest/datacamp and get a job/interview without a degree?
Im using one of them also, but note neither of them states that they work with any employers or a guarantee of anything. Check out Thinkful, lamda or even springboard
what aabout bootcamps thaat are free? or say theyre until you get aa job? like Masterschool?
i think DS Bootcamp don't "promise" you what you related in the video (high salary, same level in statistics as University graduates, etc), in fact they are very useful for beginners who want to switch to a data science career with some background in stats, probability and linear algebra. And they provide you strong basics to get an entry-level job (with a relative good salary due to the supply and demand mechanism that leads to it), it depends on the candidate to capitalize on these first steps.
Moreover, DS bootcamps are aware that tech industry involves a lifelong learning and good networking skills, that's why a good DS bootcamp provide you the theorical and practical tools to be able to do the job, often they offer a lifelong access to platform to learn new skills and practices, but also a career coaching to help you land a job in the industry
Hi,
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Thinkful's Data Science Immersive Program. They claim to be more rigorous with approximately 1200 hours of time invested within the 5 month program time period. Thanks!
Have you went through any boot camps personally?
Thx a lot ,
Is SPSS effective for data analysis and business analysis ??
SPSS is a great tool mainly for smaller data sets. I consider it more a data analysis tool than a business analysis tool. It's not as widely used as some of the others in data analytics and data science roles since it doesn't work that well with large amounts of data. I'm sure there are some companies that use that exclusively, but many use SPSS + other tools.
No, SPSS is ready only used for sociology or psychology data. A lot of that data doesn't have business application and even if it did R can do it better.
I'm seriously contemplating the Practicum Data Science Bootcamp. it's a 9-month bootcamp and "feels" rigorous", but given my dearth in knowledge about this field and programs like this, I'm apprehensive of my own naiveness.
If you have any insight into programs with more substantial duration such as Thiinkful or Practicum, it would be greatly appreciated.
I'm Considering Practicum data science, have you registered?
@@RO2.0 So after some careful consideration I decided that Practicum would not really benefit me much as far as my current career aims.
Thanks !
Honestly, thank you
How do you know it's a scam?
What do you think about the GaTech data Analyst boot camp??
The Georgia tech boot camp is a great example of the boot camps that I talk about in the video. Looking at the curriculum, it would give a good overview for someone that's not familiar with analytics and tools. Most people would not be able to come out of that program with no other degree or experience and get into a data analyst role. I appreciate that they're not advertising it as that though. Looking at who they say it's for, it's positioned more towards adding some analytic skills that make you are more attractive candidate to employers, not specifically to build all the skills to become a data analyst / data scientist. It could be a good starting point option for someone that has a harder time learning on their own and has extra money to spend. At $10,000, it seems like a stiff price to pay to still have to do a lot more work on your own.
@@TheCareerForce Thanks, I was considering this but now changed my mind.
I am from a non technical background and is interested to enrol for UofT Data Analytics boot camp program.
I would like to know if it’s good for beginners like me. Does the course finish in 6 months or take much longer time and can we work part time along with the course.
What are the other options ( if not UofT) which provide 1 year course.
TIA
How has that been for you, I'm thinking of doing that bootcamp too
What do you think about bootcamps that offer job guarantee with full refund policy (if they dont get jobs after program)
which bootcamp is that?
@@lukeav6097 such as SpringBoard
Excuse me also attended and work for a data bootcamp we have many successful candidates. Just what you make of it. Not all get there but over 50% do with a lot of study, practice, and refinement. I am a hiring manager at my company as well and see college students with less skills for the field than someone with a degree. Do the research yourself, the key skills you need for data analytics are obvious but determination and persistance is rare and the course structures and keeps you on track. Everything can be measured and the time you put in adds up. Complete the course and get the job.
Yes because 4 years matter more , why should you get a job without learning philosophy, History ,English , Psychology,
What about Metis? They are the only accredited data science bootcamp
Why don't you give any reviews on companies?
I took the best bootcamp in India. It was a waste of money and time for me. It wasn't for me who knows coding. I want something which has lot of questions and projects like DataCamp. Which focuses on solving by doing.
If you want to learn the theoretical part then go for bootcamp but at last you will need a lot of practice.
Humans learns by doing so I prefer DataCamp is the best for getting your hands dirty.
And this math includes linear algebra, differential equations, discrete math, and calculus ofcourse.... and these are the semi-easy maths... again... 6 months.. what a fkn joke boot camps are
What about springboard? Is it a scam as well?
They have a job guarantee
Does anyone have feedback or insight on Emory University's Big Data and Data Analytics Certificate? Comes in at $4,495 for 80 hours (10 Saturdays). Have been in Financial Reporting and Analysis for over 10 yrs but would like to secure a more solid future with something closer to Big Data.
Did you end up taking this course?
I have to completely agree with what she is saying. Data Bootcamps may be a good start for learning about the tools, methodologies, and problems you can tackle with data. You start gaining experience doing some projects, but you have a long way to go. You really need a good base in Statistics and other fields that I doubt you can learn it in a few months. You also need to gain experience by solving problems and working on unique and new projects. I know you can get some during a Bootcamp, but it is just a start, you can’t get it in a few months. Then you also need to gain domain experience, for example my career has let me down the road of first getting experience handling data related to finance and then to marketing analytics. It is an amazing journey in which you learn by applying what you learn , doing research, and most importantly from you mistakes. You also learn a lot from working with other peers in your field. It is very important to have a mentor that can guide you and from whom you can learn from. Really good video and reasoning !!
Same can be said about 4yrs in college lol
if you use this as a definition of scam, most things in the world are scam. The model you desribed is just how it works in all fields. someone with deep desire will always benefit from the stuff he learns, someone who does not care a bit about the topic, will get no benefit from any educational program. there are always just a few who are standing out.
And yeah if you do not have deep motivation please do not apply to anything that has a word "bootcamp" in it, unless you are looking for a very humbeling experience, what is not a bad thing
What about insight data science?
Their program is for people that already have "a Ph.D. in a quantitative field, such as Physics, Astrophysics, Mathematics, Statistics, Neuroscience, Bioinformatics, Engineering, Computer Science, or quantitative Social Science." It's also free. It's really focused on bridging between education and entering the workforce. It seems like a great program if you meet the qualifications but it's also not designed to teach someone all of the data science skills that they would need. They're anticipating people coming into their program already have all of that knowledge.
I am in a Masterschool class now and I am feeling ripped off.
How did it go coz I planned on joining
@bst2664 how did it go
anyone has opinions on DataMites?
Thanks a lot for great info. I have almost two decades of experience in IT and have taken tons of courses from coursera in ML and now planning to go for expensive course from MIT. My goal is to transition into clinical data analysis field in a senior role. Most of my experience as a software architect has been in finance domain , so do you think MIT applied data science course is a good one and can help me get into pharma or healthcare IT field. I see ML is already changing how healthcare is delivered so hoping to be part of that.
Would you say Springboard's Data Science Career Track falls into this category of being a scam?
I have mixed feelings about Springboard. I appreciate that they offer a money back guarantee if you don't find a job but that's not as simple as a thing as it sounds.
For starters, if you look at the demographics of people that take the data science track, over half have a masters or PhD. 72% (!) have at least one year of experience with 45% of people having two or more years of experience in data science already. See screenshot from springboards website: imgur.com/a/aknDcfr
They also put a lot of expectations to be able to request the refund... Pick multiple interesting projects to work on, apply for a certain number of jobs each week, etc.
That being said, it seems like many people that take the training are very satisfied with it.
I haven't personally taken any courses they've offered or worked with anyone that has gone through their tracks. Looking at the data they provide though, the vast majority of people taking their courses are not new to analytics which makes me hesitant to say confidently that you can take their courses with no prior analytics experience and expect to land a data analyst job.
@@TheCareerForce Well...I got into the program and I'll let you know if I find a job in February. I don't have a very traditional background for the program, with no coding experience. It's definitely a lot of work right now.
Justin Huang hey man how’s it going, I was considering the same program, how many hours would you say you spend each week and do you feel you’re learning/gaining practical skills and are you gaining the network/support you need to be successful?
@@rachidrezzik I'm spending about a good 16 hours a week. I would say they definitely do help you out. They have a on demand mentor call which you can talk to someone on Skype for about 40 mins if you run into any coding issues. They also have career coaches that provide good job insights. In the end I feel however it's up to you to push yourself to get out there and find a job.
Justin Huang do you feel like the concepts and material they present actually translates to the projects you’re doing. Are you like “damn I could do a lot with this” is it just the two capstone projects that are interesting/worthwhile or do you find yourself impressed with the other activities as well?
😢 sad but true data bootcamps are type trash 🚮
Go to Europe and get an education you can afford.
Yep, great example of a hiring manager that you wouldn't want to be under. gg wp