A couple of thoughts after reading all the comments that may help you understand my positions better. 1. Due to copyright issues, I could only use the clip shown. While it's not the ideal quality, it is clear enough to come to determine the ball hit the racquet first. 2. If you believe Draper didn't know whether he hit a fair/legal shot or not, then I can only presume you have not played high level tennis and don't know any better. Additionally, you are suggesting you know more than Djokovic, Andy Roddick and every former professional analyst that has publicly commented on the matter. The earth is not flat! 3. Questioning Jack Draper's character. Jack seems to be a standup ATP professional and a player of generally very good character, but in this instance his desire to win the match got the best of his judgement and/or he chose to take the win over doing the right thing. How we handle ourselves in pressure situations often reveals a lot about our true character. He simply failed in this instance. 4. Most of a players junior career is spent playing matches without lines people or chair umpires. You are responsible for calling double bounces or unfair shots on yourself, so this is nothing new to any high level players. I would like to think in such a environment Jack would have called the shot against himself. 5. While both Jack and the chair umpire should have handled this differently, the ultimate blame rests solely on the ATP Tour for not allowing this to be reviewed and overturned.
@@TK-Tennis at pro level, there's money and points involved and for that reason there's someone sitting at a chair above the court who's paid to make a final decision however, this is a typical situation that ATP should make full use of technology to assist the umpire or better off, revert the umpire's call or confirm it.
Again you're making assumptions about Jack's character from just analysing this video. Yes he wanted to win the match, but he did say after the point had been played he has was unsure what had happened and anyone suggesting he's was lying in this moment really need to take a step back. Has anyone had a conversation with Jack, can you make this charge about a person without personally knowing them. There was confusion about the point and had the final scored not been called and the discussion between everyone taken place before that happened, then the point could have been replayed, but once it was announced, there was no way for either the umpire or the officials to reverse that decision. It seems like a lot of people feel Felix would have won the match had he been given the point, but I certainly don't have the power of foresight and I can't imagine anyone else has that gift either and so no one knows what might have happened and therefore it's impossible to make that judgement. Maybe if the match point had been played at 6-5 in a final set tie-break, I could see it being far more contentious, but hopefully the ATP, WTA and ITF will use this incident to improve how this type of situation in handled in the future.
@@robertscottbanks Jack definitely knew he didn't make that shot- there is even a clip of a close up of his face after he hits the shot and he rolls his eyes and bows his head in disappointment for a split second before realising the umpire didn't see him shank the ball...definite cheat.
I must say if this is how Canadians raise their children on how to still act respectfully in adversity, I am giving my utmost shoutout and respect to Canadian parents and FAA for a job well done!
As in most countries we do have athletes, people, who shirk responsibility but for the most part “Canadian politeness” does exist and the majority of athletes believe in fair play.
Felix handled this like most Canadians would. Graciously, but with a clear sense of the injustice involved. We tend to live up to our reputation. But we also recognize that many others around the world wouldn't respond in the same way.
Well said and as a Canadian born in Canada and who has played Tennis (amateur level) for over 40 years I would have done the right thing and gave up the point. I would like to believe most Canadians would and win fairly over their opponent. Definitely needed to review the video of the play, regardless of the Chair Umpires call. If I was the Chair Umpire I would have requested the video as this has made him look like a total fool and his reputation is lost.
I am a Canadian and I have played a lot of tennis and many other sports as well. It is not only how we are brought up by our parents but this is the way our peers would teach us. When we play a sports with other people and friends, we know if we lose a point that we should not argue. As fellow Canadian from the province of Quebec, Alliasine reaction was stellar!
Whether Draper lied or not only he knows. But that is why we have umpires and this umpire is a joke. It isn’t his first bad decision and should be relieved of his office immediately
Honest human being? Jack Draper, as a good sportsman, should’ve simply conceded the point because the umpire mucked it up completely! Those are also 3 errors by the same umpire since Washington 😬.
@@Bourne246 that may be. But I have seen many instances where an umpire errors but the player concedes the point because they admit the objective truth; thus overruling the erring ump. I guess not every player is in the same sportsmanship league! 🤷🏿♂️
@@Bourne246 he offered to replay the point if the supervisor decided that his shot hit the ground on his side of the court first. What kind of offer is that.
@@Sobchak2 ultimately.. its not up to the players to decide the outcome, thats the job of the ump. I dont wanna spend all day talking about ethics, someone wasnt doing his job well enough, period.
Many calls that a player ‘always knows’ are shown to be incorrect in slo mo. Coco Gauff recently was ‘sure’ the call came in before she pulled up on her shot, but the video shows her swing complete and then the call came in. It’s the opposite of what you are saying and happens all the time. Look at line call challenges. How sure a player is has no bearing on reality. You also say that the umpire ‘knew’ it hit the ground first because of the trajectory, but you haven’t made that case either. He could have thought it possible it hit the frame and went wonky, etc.. Question- why aren’t they just implementing video review in tennis? Would’ve solved the issues in both of these cases.
@@garettmatheis933 I’m advocating for video review. They are comparable that leaving it up to the player is not a great strategy since they can and often are wrong while being completely confident. And umpires can also be incorrect and we are all left without video review to clear it up. Which in both cases led to speculation, name calling, and emotional bias. How is that not similar?
They've played thousands of hours of tennis. They play professionally every day and practice. He knew it hit his racket and then hit his side of the court but he wasn't willing to concede the point.
The assertion is that experienced players always know what happened involving interactions between the ball and their racquet, not that they know everything that happened on or around the court. I think this is generally true.
in ping pong the rule is the same as in tennis: you hit the ball and it bounces on your side of the table before it crosses over, you lose the point. This is only allowed (in fact it is mandatory) when you serve. Wrong paradigm, just to set the case straight )
Excellent explanation of the failed shot. Poor sportsmanship on Draper's part. Ump needs demotion. I vote Felix for Time's Man of the Year......class act indeed!
Whatever this guy is explaining is in the past… it is not Jack’s fault or mistake… it’s the responsibility of the empire! And Jack did offer to play the point and the empire ruled it out! This guy is making a mountain out of a mole hill!! Well said @ioandavies7161 …
Excellent summary, analysis, and conclusion of this incident 👌🏾. Fully agree with the class FAA displayed. I was incensed by what unfolded, having just seen the highlights 🤬
As you state, the ATP could put instant replay into practice in some situations. As far as the moralizing on your part, casting aspersions on Jack for an event that lasted 1 msec isn't moral. Yes, I do respect Felix for his handling of an unfortunate situation.
Wow ! I just subscribed to your channel. I have been looking for such an analysis of the situation since it happened. Like you are saying, and we can see it very well on the official slow motion replay, Jack’s eyes confirm that he knows he missed his shot. I am from Quebec and proud father of a son who had the opportunity to play against Felix in a tournament when they were 13. He was already a class act then. Thank you so much for taking the time and providing all those insights.
Thank you for subscribing. This was the only clip we can use that is not copyright protected, so while it's not ideal in terms of quality it's still adequate to illustrate the truth. You son must be a fine player and all fine players know when they made a fair shot or not.
I've been playing tennis for almost 40 years. Yes, sometimes you can't tell if you got to a ball before it bounced twice (rare, because you almost always know). But in this particular case, you would *definitely* know if the ball bounced on your side after you hit it. As you said, it's unlikely you actually saw it since it happened so quickly, but you'd know because of the sound, the feel of the racquet, and seeing how the ball reacted. No way Draper would not have known what happened. He seems to be a nice guy, but that was very poor sportsmanship. According to the rules of the game, if he knew what really happened, he should've called it on himself and given the point to FAA. It *is* his responsibility to call it on himself. Only if he truly didn't know can he get away with it. Officially you have to give him the benefit of the doubt, but all players would know he's lying. Just lost a little respect for him...
I’ve also played for over 40 years and I disagree. It was very close and very quick and I believe that he may not have known. I think it unfair to question his character… he is a very decent guy and I think he would have called it if he was sure he hit it into the ground. Maybe he felt it was a legit half volley or at worst was unsure and therefore felt the umpire needed to make the call. He shouldn’t need to give the point away if he is unsure… that is what umpires are for. Just because FAA says he saw one thing doesn’t make it so… in this case FAA was right, but Jack doesn’t know that unless they can see the replay… They need video replay and that’s that. Accusing Jack of cheating goes too far. He doesn’t not deserve a bunch of nobodies piling crap on him for something that is wrong with the system. I bet also that in your 40 years of playing tennis you have called a few balls out which you legitimately thought was out (it was close and it was quick) that were actually in. Nobody gets every single call right…. Nobody. At the end of the day, it is crazy they don’t do video replays for things such as this.
@@whatevs1700 I agree that there should be replays for these types of situations. But in this particular case, it all depends on whether or not Draper knew what happened. We can definitely agree to disagree. It is clear what actually happened. I just find it far fetched that he wouldn't have known that he lost the point. He also, if he were truly unsure, could've offered to play a let. But he said something like he would play a let *if* there was a video replay. All in all, poor sportsmanship in my mind.
@@whatevs1700draper knew 100%. He didn't celebrate immediately. He looked at the umpire. He gave a BS excuse that he was looking at FAA, not the ball. He also offered to replay, knowing that it would not be the outcome since VAR is not an option. He lacks sportsmanship; the world now knowing this is the outcome
@@whatevs1700he is such a decent guy that he offered to reply the point if the supervisor thought the ball hit the ground in his half of the court first. Which is really quite ridiculous, as in that case the point should have been awarded to Felix.
This event exemplifies what's so annoying to me about tennis umping. There's a culture of "I must always appear immediately decisive even if I'm unsure" (there are exceptions, of course). Those of us who've been playing a long time know that everything about this point screamed for a replay _at least._ The immediate physical reactions of both players, the trajectory of the ball, the fact that Jack did not immediately claim to have cleanly hit the ball and said he'd be willing to replay right after the ump ruled - all of that should've been enough to replay. But the ump had to project (false) confidence from the get-go. If both players are willing to do a replay in a clearly questionable point, put your ego aside, umps, and just replay the point.
I am currently debating a few people (who must not have played or are one sided Draper fans) about whether it was legal or not. I have played for 40 years and coached for about 30. You are totally correct that every player can feel it. It’s a sign of your character if you concede or it if you chose to take advantage of the situation. It’s not important to him I realise, but I have no respect for Draper now. He 100% knows. Felix on the other hand showed he has amazing character. I will direct the Draper fans to your excellent clip.
How can a player know how a shot feels if the shot is one in a million? The video replays on UA-cam show the ball either coming up a fraction of an inch to the racket, or hitting the court and the racket frame at the same time. Either way, the shot is valid, and since it would take a million volleys for someone to experience that exact scenario, Draper may simply not have felt it before. Who knows what sort of spin the ball takes when it hits the court and the frame at the same time, especially since the different angles the racket could be at might make all the difference? You can't depend on the accuracy of the copy of the replay that you have. Other copies don't show things exactly as yours does, and neither yours nor any of the other copies show the ball coming off the racket and then into the court. ONLY if the ball does that does it become an invalid shot.
I see a lot of people using the word "cleanly" or "clean shot." You can hit a shot that's not "clean" and it's still legitimate. Jack knows it hit his racquet twice, but is unsure that it hit the ground first. That ball shanks off the rim, but in one motion hits the strings and pops over, it's a legit shot. You never hear the ball bounce, so I don't know why people keep saying he would have heard the ball hit the ground. If there was replay that was super slow, that is the only way you can see it. Even in some slow motions it looks like a double hit in one motion.
I see ball and racquet in close proximity to each other as Draper is bending his wrist back to make contact. Hits off his strings then the ball goes over. If he hit it in the ground why is there no disruption on the ball from the racquet? We see the ball trailing downward but in that position I don't see the ball being disturbed on its surface to indicate contact from Draper's racquet. I see he finessed his approach bending back his wrist, the ball bounces up then hits his strings then goes over. If the racquet hit the ball into the ground, how did it continue it's forward motion toward Draper's racquet? The conclusion would be the ball hits racquet, hits ground, jumps back up to his racquet then over. Don't see that in the replay. Then despite all that friction, it still has enough umph to hit the tape, bounce high off the net, and then goes over several feet into the court. At the very least should have died and dropped over. Even then not a ridiculous call as the shot occured far left of the ump, if he blinked would have missed it. Draper just has poor argumentative skills and should never be a lawyer. I also think he was being respectful toward Felix who was obviously upset, but is not a cheater or complainer. So if Felix is bothered by something maybe something did go wrong. To me it is obvious after the ball landed, both Draper and the ump were confused cuz Felix wasn't coming to net to shake hands. My eyes and logic maybe wrong, but I think there is reasonable doubt about the legality of the shot as I have heard many different perspectives. So in all fairness giving Draper the benefit of the doubt. If he had shanked it, undoubtedly I feel he would have known it. But I don't think that happened. But you do have my vote for video review being available to umps and the players. This is professional sport, Cincy is a huge tournament, the tech should be there. As this whole debacle isn't fair to players or fans that are left gutted.
Even after repetition people are still divided till now about the sitution. the situation is though and the referee decided it s a legitimate point and we should respect referee decision. This is how tennis rules are and this is how tennis is played from decades.
“This is the way we always done it” is one of the worst statements to defend a mistake. I can agree that neither Draper not the referee are at fault, but surely we call all agree that tennis officiating can be improved. Slow motion review of critical points is badly needed.
Draper can concede the point if he wants to, other players do that for fair play & sportsmanship! He instead put the burden to the umpire because he knows it favors him.
It could be change to allow replay - but even there I wouldn't be able to say from the replay at 100% that it was not the right call. That being said, the Chair made the ruling and at this point it can only be accepted.
@@SachaLRoy Draper knows lol he definitely knows and even if the chair rules Draper could still concede the point just like any sportsmanship of a tennis player do but he did not.
The even whackier thing is the ball clipped the net on the way over and then died on FAA's side. If that hadn't happened FAA most likely would've had an easy put away and there'd be no need to analyse this further.
It looks to me that ball was "trapped" - hit the ground and frame simultaneously, then hit the strings at the ball rebounded up, which is a legal shot because it was ONE stroke.
Think about it. If the ball hit the frame at the same time as the ground......it wouldn't go up!! There would be NO BOUNCE. To go up, it must hit the ground and BOUNCE onto the frame or hit the frame and BOUNCE onto the ground.
@@FrancoisBernier-np4cpNo, the ball was compressed vertically when trapped between the ground and frame and would rise up when the racquet, itself, lifted.
Well Said and I agree that Felix showed his true Incredible Character in trying to help the Umpire lean towards viewing the reply in saying how he would be viewed as making a serious Blunder in allowing his Bad Judgement to stand.
I was in the Grandstand Stadium watching live on Friday. Watching it live, you knew it didn't go over the net cleanly. No replay was played on the big screen. Everyone in the stadium saw it as well. Not Drapers job to concede the point either. Poor umpiring and there def should be a VAR rule.
You could call it a mis-hit half volley off the frame. Not a clean shot but a legal shot. So you're saying because it didn't go over the net cleanly that it wasn't a legit shot (as you mentioned poor umpiring). Crazy!
Your analysis here is 100% bang-on in both accounts; (1) the fact that Draper lost the point and (2) that he would’ve known that he lost the point (…by feel, the sound of the ball hitting his racket then the court on his side…). THANKK YOU!
Dear everyone. I repeated the action 5 times. Only till the 5th repetition i could see the ball touch the racket frame first then the ground. So it s a wrong call but we cannot blame the umpire noor count on Draper honesty to concede the point. It s a though action for any umpire. Maybe this action will serve to improve atp tennis rules but without blaming anybody especially the players or the umpires.
I refuse to put Draper down for this. And FAA is by far my favorite tennis player. As for the umpire.....it is a fast game. The umpires should demand video replay. Look around the world and tell me one pro sport organization that does not use video replay? The ATP has to get their heads out of the sand and check into video equipment. This is not the end of the world for FAA and I hope tennis fans don't put the blame on Draper.
Thank you so much for your video, you explained perfectly what precisely happened in this situation, hope this kind of injustice don’t happen again… Anyhow, certainly it is serving to teach us so wisely how to behave in life… may our values and principles guide our life to be good and honest above the unique desire to win. What a beautiful lesson from Aliassime, he receives the admiration of the public, despite having lost the opportunity to continue the game. Tennis is life :)
The only thing I can conclude is that the ball hit the court almost at the same time as his racket. The ball compressed in two directions in your still frame. If it solidly hit the frame first then bounced down, I don't think the compression of the ball would be as drastic in the still image. I can see it in your way as well but honestly it's not conclusive either way. The actual play was a split second so to ask any player to definitively determine what happened is not fair either. It's up to the umpire and officials to determine it. That's what they are there for.
Video replay could be already possible. They just needed to ask for the close up slow motion. It would take less time than all the arguing on the court… shameful
Just watched. There is no way you can be sure that jack draper knew this. This happened in a millisecond. You should be accusing someone of lying. It is infuriating to be accused of cheating. Draper was smiling like he won directly afterwards. He asked for a replay and then he said would replay the point. You should not be questioning his character if you don’t know it is true.
I don't think he knew so he left it to the umpire which supposedly was 100% sure it was a good shot. People make mistakes, yes this umpire sucks, but he had to make the call
I don't think you can see whether the ball hit the ground or the racquet first in this section of the video. But if you look at the very beginning of the original video: ua-cam.com/video/OD54dUJ3Cow/v-deo.html And you use the "." and "," (period and comma) keys to go forward and backward one frame at a time, you can clearly see that the ball hits the ground first, gets deflected up, then hits the strings of the racquet and is deflected upward and forward, hits the net and then goes over it.
I totally agree. The ball hit the racquet and ground together and the combination of hitting the ground and the frame made for a very unusual return, but that does not make it a bad shot.
Think about it. If the ball hit the frame at the same time as the ground......it wouldn't go up!! There would be NO BOUNCE. To go up, it must hit the ground and BOUNCE onto the frame or hit the frame and BOUNCE onto the ground.
It’s BS that the player always knows. It was so close that he legitimately could have felt that it hit the ground first. It is also BS to question his character… have you played at such a high level when the ball is flying so fast? Just because Federer thinks he can always feel it doesn’t make that true. Federer may have said that because he felt some other player cheated him. I don’t think Draper was cheating at all. His reaction after winning the point was won of amazement that the shot came off… it was not a cheater smile… I have played many matches and I know the difference. It is very unfair for you to read minds and questions his character. You talk about FAA class… and I normally would agree with you… but in this case he was out of line questioning Jacks character… Jack is a great guy and is also a class act so it sucks for him that the throngs of judgemental people like you are ragging on him when he doesn’t deserve it.
I'm in agreement with the part that at the moment, with how fast the ball goes from racquet to the other side, I don't think we can clearly say that Jack Draper knew/felt he hit a ping pong point. Jack did the correct thing in leaving it in hands of the umpire, the umpire said he was 100% sure it was a fair shot and that's it. It's like those balls hitting the lines on Clay. Can someone be 100% sure ball is in or out? Hell no, but you have to make a call in the moment. I believe that if we put players hitting that shot without knowing they'll hit the shot, results will say 50% thought they hit a half volley and 50% thought they hit a ping pong point .
Depending on the situation, yes, the player may legitimately not know what happened. In this particular case, Draper would've definitely known he shanked it into the ground. He is lying. You can clearly hear the ball deflecting twice. He would've felt that the first sound came from the ball hitting his racquet and the second sound immediately thereafter was the ball hitting the ground. Unless he was conveniently deaf at that moment, he knew for sure what happened. All the players on tour now know. Draper will have to face his peers with them knowing this about him.
Thanks for the explanation! Finally understand what happened! Yes, shout out to FAA for being a good sport even when he got robbed. First class sportsmanship.
Shame on everybody accusing draper of lying it s like they know his inside thoughts . Really big shame. Nobody can be sure if draper knew the ball was on ground first or on frame. He asked for replay as the action was so fast and he acted according to tennis rules which is asking umpire standpoint who s the only one capable to decide on this situation. Fair victory for Draper.
He was afraid of the repeat. Not an honest act . No shame here. Shame on draper and on you not painting out dishonesty. He clearly spoke out against repeat video
I agree 100% with your explanation. Aliassime act like a true gentleman. Those other guys you mentioned (Nadal, Sinner & Alcaraz) will certaintly do the same. Draper wiill be forever in my black list.
This is a man who thought he knew his victory was in the pocket but didn't want to thought of as a cheater so he said he didn't know how he made the point and left the decision to the umpire while knowing the umpire would not change his call so he gave the responsibility to the umpire and played the innocent man who wanted to come off as a good sport.
It’s not Draper’s job to officiate and the referee couldn’t tell if it was a double bounce. Only a slow replay showed it. We need technology for line calls and VAR for these cases.
@@toofrequenttraveller7707 Yep. The trajectory of the ball got interrupted being in mid-air before it went straight down (caused by the shank) so Draper lost the point
I don't think Jack Draper lied or has been dishonest. He was the first one who said to the empire: Can you check the replay? He wasn't really sure what happened. And because I have been playing tennis for over 30 years, I know you don't always know how things went if it was so close and fast. I have many times played "double bounces" and I really didn't know if it was ok or not. And this particular scenario is super rare. So you might thing these players experienced this many times before but believe me, this happens maybe 1x time in a season for a player and most players don't experience this ever in their career. So I would be very hesitant about calling Jack Draper a lier or anything like that. But of course Alliasime was awesome and probably he was the only one who could see it properly because he was watching the scene from the best level court angle let's say. Not even the umpire can see this from the seat above the court. So I can't blaim the umpire either. What I can blame is the rules as you said - just watch the replay, it takes few seconds and you have a clean call, everyone is happy. Easy to do nowadays so I strongly recommend ATP/WTA to allow watching replays in these situations.
I accept you've played for 30 years, but clearly then not at a high level... As emphasized in the video (so I won't repeat the description of how), we always know. Roger Federer even had to deal with these bad decisions and explain the spin (and feel) to the unthinking ump☺️ (BTW Borges - Garin was the worst ump decision recently. Borges clearly did _nothing that could lose the point_ yet dumpire reversed and awarded the point to Garin. Garin, Draper, Dustin Brown and Rune live in the [recent] halls of shame... They do know what happened - Video replay is necessary because 99% of spectators are not top league🎾players.)
I’ve nvr played & I know he’s lying. He closed his eyes in frustration for wayyyy longer then a blink, why would anyone do that midgame? He would’ve still been alert & ready for the next shot but he instantly knew he shanked it. Literally written all over his face. He actually looked shocked or surprised he got the point
I’ve played the game since I was a kid and won tournaments and I can tell you for certain I know when I shank the ball into the ground. You can feel it in your hands where it impacts on the racket. You can tell by the return trajectory as well if it was a clean volley or half volley or a shanked shot. Draper is higher level than me and he knows what happens. Watch Draper’s initial reaction after the play and then his reaction to the umpire call. That’s a man who was surprised and you wouldn’t be surprised if you know you hit a good shot back.
ive been playing tennis for 50 years it’s sometimes in the heat of the moment impossible to tell if the ball hit the racket first sure if you just playing a normal shot not under lots of match point stress you might or might not know it had happened i don’t believe that the player always knows there are thousands of examples of players not knowing whats happened exactly- thats why we have umpires- to make difficult calls - i think its very vindictive to call draper a liar
He knew. They're not playing tennis recreationally for 50 years they play it professionally every day. He'd know by the sound, how the ball behaved after hitting his racket and then the ground. Even his behavior after demonstrated he knew but didn't want to admit it.
@@chrismolemediaDon't. He knew and lied. No way a professional tennis player wouldn't know what happened. He had guilt written all over his face but tried playing it off like he didn't.
@@badmanskill1112 im a painter and a tennis player when painting you need to sense the most minute differences in pressure when making a paint stroke, but if it was match point and my blood was pumping and my adrenaline flowing and my emotions running high i couldnt tell you if someone stuck a pin in my arm let alone the difference between a fraction of a second in the bounce of a ball. even half the people who watch the video think its a bounce and hit simultaneously but to call the guy a liar is very unfair and i think jumping to conclusions
The ball was already in contact with the ground the first time it makes contact with Draper’s frame. That’s why his frame is knocked slightly backwards. There is no second contact with the ground. There is then a second contact with the frame as the frame resumes its forward motion. Assuming this still counts as a “continuous motion” then it’s a legal shot. What FAA claims happened, and this guy here (who knows so much about tennis that he cannot even pronounce FAA’s name) claims, is not what the video shows.
The umpire did not make the right call. Draper may have been honest that he didn't see it and didn't know, he could have at least agree for the point to be replayed. Felix was an absolute gentleman with how he dealt with the situation. Felt bad that he had the bad end of the decision.
If the referee doesn't call a foul on you while you're guarding LeBron, then it's a play on type situation. Asking players to ref their own matches is asinine at these levels. There's a reason why their are linespeople, referee, and supervisor at these events. You work hard to become a pro so you don't have to call your own matches.
@Sobchak2 Sportsmanship is overrated in a sport where players routinely break racquets, threaten to kill linespeople, and take medical time outs when they're losing.
Don't be ridiculous. You don't work hard to become a pro so you don't have to call your own matches. You do it to win matches and tournaments, so you can earn a lot of money.
@@ExtraGuac007 what does this even mean? Many top players concede points or offer to replay points if they think the umpire made a bad call. Most players, in fact.
I wouldn't even say ego got in the way for the umpire - there's no video replay so he had to stick by his decision, otherwise he would look like a fool changing his call. He needs to call it as he sees it. Unless both players agree that he had gotten it wrong, it would be weird if he'd turn the call around. Anyway hope there will be a video review system in place soon where he makes a call on his walkie-talkie and a team of 2 video umps figure it out.
The Chair umpire can't reverse his call after the player start arguing. Video replay would certainly help, but tbh, just with the replay that I've seen, the level of certainty to reverse the decision wouldn't be there.
@@SachaLRoy maybe you've seen the wrong video, i think the evidence was pretty clear. But i thought it was the sound of the bounce that made it most obvious, should need no replay really.
The opponent on the opposite side of the net knew, how could Draper not know? Poor sportsmanship. To the layman, it may have been hard to tell, but an umpire who is supposed to be experienced should be able to tell if this happened and if not sure should have a replay and review it upon a complaint by the player. This should be an easy and effective solution to this kind of problem.
It's hard to tell but the ball appears to have backspin when Draper returned it, possibly indicating it bounced once. If the ball was hit on the frame of the racquet directly towards the ground, it could have generated topspin instead. But nobody really can be 100% sure because we don't have closer replay footage.
BS. Pros have no obligation to call against themselves. In fact pros are wrong half the time on line calls. Good call by umpire! Replay too blurry to discern.
What TK Tennis does is not good. I understand the frustration, but I think it’s important to consider a few things about the situation. First, at match point, the stakes are incredibly high, and conceding a point in that moment could have completely shifted the momentum in Felix’s favor. It’s the umpire’s responsibility to make the correct call, and unfortunately, mistakes happen. Even with slow-motion replays, it’s clear that the double bounce was hard to detect, so it’s possible that Draper wasn’t even certain himself. It’s a tough situation, but I believe Draper was playing within the rules. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt!
Interesting debate about honesty on Draper's part. Contrast this with the sport of Football where replays often show a ball hitting the ground just before the catch, and the receiver trying to argue he caught the ball. One sport cheating; the other sport good acting to gain an advantage for you and your team. There is no expectation on the football players part to be honest.
The people who love tennis the most are those who play. If you've played a while....you kinda know when a ball was line, or you're jobbing someone, we just know. Draper knew.
Perfect analysis. Jack’s eyes give it away in slow motion as he closes them in disgust knowing he lost the point. Felix has class, Jack does not. And don’t even get me started about the umpire and the tournament referee…they should both be fired.
Ball has topspin after Draper’s strike. This can only happen if the ball hits the ground *after* racquet contact. Such low volley/half volley shots struck in legal manner always carry backspin. No freeze frame video needed.
you do not mention Draper's proposal to replay the point. has this ever been done, is replay a point written down in the laws of tennis ? I still think it may have been a double hit, after squeezing the ball on the ground, which means the racket touches the ball at the same moment the ball touches the ground, the frame rolls of the ball to give it that funny topspin curve.
What Draper said was, "... if he says to me right now that the ball hit the ground and he saw it on the tv, I would play the point again." That is not offering to replay the point. If he was offering to replay the point, he would've said something like, "Should we replay the point?" And yes, if both players agree, they can replay the point. It has happened before, though I can't recall a specific instance. By the way, you'd know by how the ball is spinning after the hit what happened. It would have some sort of backspin if it was a legal hit (mishit half volley). Topspin if it was illegal ( ball hit ground after hitting racquet). But Draper claimed he was watching Felix, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't see the spin of the ball, though I'm skeptical (why wouldn't you watch where the ball is going after you've shanked it?).
Great analysis and coverage of this! I'd like you to then set up a "viewer vote" afterwards where those watching your GREAT ANALYSIS can vote afterwards!!
Totally agree. Even a club player who has played tennis for a while knows that the shot was NOT a good shot. There's no way Draper would not know. ATP made the situation ridiculous. In the legal system when the judge at first instance makes a wrong decision, there is a system of appeal and hopefully a correct decision is reached on appeal. It is simply egregious to allow an incompetent umpire to be the judge when there is no appellate system to rectify his mistake!
So we need very slow motion video and frame by frame to SEE the ball in a very diffuse frame that looks like it hit the bottom of the racket and then bounced off the ground. But we need to stop the picture for a few seconds to see what is not clear, and a few seconds more to think about it. With the speed, movement, position and height of the ball and racket, I can only imagine how many people would be sure that the shot was right or wrong. I don't know what the professional tennis rules are for international tournaments, but when in doubt, the game should be replayed. Or as a commenter below says, in cases like this, a video of the shot would be helpful. How long would it take to review the shot?
Its hard in the heat of the moment but if they were playing replays on the big screens and he sees that then he should have said its your point to Felix.
He specifically referenced Ping Pong which is the version of table tennis where you actually hit the ball down into your own side first, exactly what Draper did here!
@@MarcelloZucchi91Even professional European table tennis would never call it Ping Pong and use it interchangeably, the creator of the video was just referring to how it was clearly bounced on his side first much like in the unserious more casual game of ping pong
@@enochtai On the serve. On a return, as here, it would be exactly the same as in tennis. PS There are no "versions" of table tennis. "Ping pong" is just a common name for the game. He's using the name to be demeaning.
Yeah it's easy for us. We are sitting here and watching a shot that took milliseconds frame by frame and to be honest I had to watch it more than once to be really sure what happened. At normal Speed it's almost impossible to tell (and that's what the Umpire has to do). And the Player always knows? I'm not quite sure about that in this situation. We have two scenarios. 1. The correct one: Ball hits ground, ball hits frame and strings in a smooth motion 2. The foul one: Ball hits frame. Ball hits ground and strings in a smooth motion. Remember this takes milleseconds. How can Draper be 100% sure what happened. Bounce frame strings or frame bounce strings. That is almost one sound and one sensation in the racket. So now we've got Hawk-eye and Foxtenn (I like the latter more because it shows the real bounce) but neither could help in this situation. So let's go and add just more technical overhead to the game. I know the cameras are already there but there is more to it than that. You need even more people like hawk-eye which doesn't work by itself (I think you need 4 People in total to operate and you have to calibrate in regular intervals)
I agree that the call was wrong, and I didn't think so when I finally saw the TV replay (today just a couple times), but on the thing about the player always knowing I'm a Federer fan and don't remember him saying that about this situation. I remember him arguing with an umpire over one, pointing out the physics of how a ball can't have topspin off a low volley, which I completely understand and of course he was right. Maybe he did say it, but I do remember James Blake once saying that on drop shots the player always knows if the ball bounced twice. Different scenario of course and don't know what your definition of "high-level tennis" would be but I played juniors and 4.5 USTA and a ton of singles matches and tourneys. I've rarely been blown off a court and I've definitely chased down thousands of drop shots and I disagreed with Blake. Yes most of the time I knew when it bounced twice (and would call it on myself), but there were atleast a few times where I genuinely wasn't sure whether it hit the ground before my frame. Yes they might've suspiciously popped up but that's happened from hitting the inside of my frame too. The contact to the court and the racket can be razor close where you don't really feel the double-hit and yes much closer than it was between Draper's racket and the court (opposite direction of a "not up"), so in that sense yes there's a good chance he knew but I don't think certain enough to hold him to the fire over it. He atleast suspected and obviously wanted to see the replay as much as anyone. He didn't "fail miserably". And comparing it to believing in flat earth?? Come on dude
not sure I see a regular no mans land pick up shot I do this all the time Roger fed did this his whole career doesn't look like it bounced twice watched this four times looks like a half volley its not his job to make the call!
Man how could this be even a bad decision if folks cant agree on it online afrer a slo mo review? Man have you seen that ball out by a full feet a week or so ago? You analysing this step by step by video says a lot how pathetic it is to make humans decide about it under stress in real time
did Felix need this video to be convinced he was right? why the umpire could not see this (it's job, btw) ?why did he show such confidence in his decision if Draper were "not 100% sure" whether the action was legit?
I don't think you can see whether the ball hit the ground or the racquet first in this section of the video. But if you look at the very beginning of the original video: ua-cam.com/video/OD54dUJ3Cow/v-deo.html And you "pause" and then use the "." and "," (period and comma) keys to go forward and backward one frame at a time, you can clearly see that the ball hits the ground first, gets deflected up, then hits the strings of the racquet and is deflected upward and forward, hits the net and then goes over it. So the official made the correct call.
This is what I saw when reviewing and in this video it is not at all clear to me that the ball hit his racquet first, but if it had, it does not hit racquet first then ground then over. Hit ground, with racquet in close proximity, popped up, then off Draper's racquet.
To be fair to the umpire - this was a very unorthodox play. The fact that we have to review this in slow motion and we still need to play it back a few times to be sure is a testament to how quick this shot came in real life and how difficult it would be to call. Definitely replays need to be implemented in professional tennis so that these calls can be clarified in real time. However, in this instance, all the hate directed towards the umpire seems a little much. This was a difficult call for sure, especially considering it came on match point. As a side note, I don't think the ATP/WTA would want to implement these replays because it seems like the arguing/controversy is what gets tennis media attention.
I’ve always liked Felix Auger-Aliassime. He was the epitome of class and grace in a very adverse situation. I hope he plays and wins many tournaments in the future.
Two facts that made Draper harder to tell for sure. First, the ball hit the ground and the racquet at exactly the same time. Second, he was running full speed into the ball after serve. People who claim he must know, like have you ever made a mistake in your own line call? Yes and that's human. As an experienced player you would know sometimes you just cant tell in the heat of the moment. So just let the umpire make the call. In this case, I agree the umpire made a mistake and the officials should have reviewed the video.
Think about it. If the ball hit the frame at the same time as the ground......it wouldn't go up!! There would be NO BOUNCE. To go up, it must hit the ground and BOUNCE onto the frame or hit the frame and BOUNCE onto the ground.
Think about it. If the ball hit the frame at the same time as the ground......it wouldn't go up!! There would be NO BOUNCE. To go up, it must hit the ground and BOUNCE onto the frame or hit the frame and BOUNCE onto the ground.
I watched that right away when it happened over and over and what is relevant to me is the trajectory of the ball and the spin it had. I had always an impression that Jack rack touched the ball at the moment the ball landed, and rack frame had on the top of the ball effect to create that spin which it had and what was created under the pressure of squeeze, that's why it went in very unusual trajectory up spinning top spin but high up. In case first rack frame and the floor ball would never go up the way it did. In my judgement the trajectory is so special that it needs to be considered first. So understanding from the beginning was as I said. The Jack's racquet touched to ball at the moment the ball touched the ground. The touch was on the top of the ball while rack was moving forward, it brushed the ball for the topspin while the pressure at the same time squeezed the ball and it went in top-spinning up ...
I’m a club player and if this happened to us, we would’ve replayed the point. Even with slow motion, it was still hard to see. If I were the umpire, I would have them replay the point. Perfect gentleman FAA.
A couple of thoughts after reading all the comments that may help you understand my positions better.
1. Due to copyright issues, I could only use the clip shown. While it's not the ideal quality, it is clear enough to come to determine the ball hit the racquet first.
2. If you believe Draper didn't know whether he hit a fair/legal shot or not, then I can only presume you have not played high level tennis and don't know any better. Additionally, you are suggesting you know more than Djokovic, Andy Roddick and every former professional analyst that has publicly commented on the matter. The earth is not flat!
3. Questioning Jack Draper's character. Jack seems to be a standup ATP professional and a player of generally very good character, but in this instance his desire to win the match got the best of his judgement and/or he chose to take the win over doing the right thing. How we handle ourselves in pressure situations often reveals a lot about our true character. He simply failed in this instance.
4. Most of a players junior career is spent playing matches without lines people or chair umpires. You are responsible for calling double bounces or unfair shots on yourself, so this is nothing new to any high level players. I would like to think in such a environment Jack would have called the shot against himself.
5. While both Jack and the chair umpire should have handled this differently, the ultimate blame rests solely on the ATP Tour for not allowing this to be reviewed and overturned.
@@TK-Tennis at pro level, there's money and points involved and for that reason there's someone sitting at a chair above the court who's paid to make a final decision however, this is a typical situation that ATP should make full use of technology to assist the umpire or better off, revert the umpire's call or confirm it.
Again you're making assumptions about Jack's character from just analysing this video. Yes he wanted to win the match, but he did say after the point had been played he has was unsure what had happened and anyone suggesting he's was lying in this moment really need to take a step back. Has anyone had a conversation with Jack, can you make this charge about a person without personally knowing them. There was confusion about the point and had the final scored not been called and the discussion between everyone taken place before that happened, then the point could have been replayed, but once it was announced, there was no way for either the umpire or the officials to reverse that decision. It seems like a lot of people feel Felix would have won the match had he been given the point, but I certainly don't have the power of foresight and I can't imagine anyone else has that gift either and so no one knows what might have happened and therefore it's impossible to make that judgement. Maybe if the match point had been played at 6-5 in a final set tie-break, I could see it being far more contentious, but hopefully the ATP, WTA and ITF will use this incident to improve how this type of situation in handled in the future.
@@robertscottbanks Jack definitely knew he didn't make that shot- there is even a clip of a close up of his face after he hits the shot and he rolls his eyes and bows his head in disappointment for a split second before realising the umpire didn't see him shank the ball...definite cheat.
Double hit, racket, ground, racket,
The black guy don't know his name or wether men or women:pros I forget but he is fairest and best!
I must say if this is how Canadians raise their children on how to still act respectfully in adversity, I am giving my utmost shoutout and respect to Canadian parents and FAA for a job well done!
We're taught to err on the side of ourselves being wrong, sometimes to a fault.
As in most countries we do have athletes, people, who shirk responsibility but for the most part “Canadian politeness” does exist and the majority of athletes believe in fair play.
Felix handled this like most Canadians would. Graciously, but with a clear sense of the injustice involved. We tend to live up to our reputation. But we also recognize that many others around the world wouldn't respond in the same way.
Well said and as a Canadian born in Canada and who has played Tennis (amateur level) for over 40 years I would have done the right thing and gave up the point. I would like to believe most Canadians would and win fairly over their opponent. Definitely needed to review the video of the play, regardless of the Chair Umpires call. If I was the Chair Umpire I would have requested the video as this has made him look like a total fool and his reputation is lost.
I am a Canadian and I have played a lot of tennis and many other sports as well. It is not only how we are brought up by our parents but this is the way our peers would teach us. When we play a sports with other people and friends, we know if we lose a point that we should not argue. As fellow Canadian from the province of Quebec, Alliasine reaction was stellar!
Respect for Felix Auger Aliassime for behaving as a perfect gentleman 🎉🙏
Not for the first time. I'm Canadian and he's always done the country proud
"what you did was horrendous!" Is not too classy. The rest was, though
@@willinguyen1 Umm that's a pretty classy thing to say.
FAA won by handling that horrible situation with grace and dignity. Dude just became my favorite player to root for.
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Whether Draper lied or not only he knows. But that is why we have umpires and this umpire is a joke. It isn’t his first bad decision and should be relieved of his office immediately
Honest human being? Jack Draper, as a good sportsman, should’ve simply conceded the point because the umpire mucked it up completely!
Those are also 3 errors by the same umpire since Washington 😬.
He did offer to replay the point.. i guess it wasnt his call anymore since he was on matchpoint
@@Bourne246 that may be. But I have seen many instances where an umpire errors but the player concedes the point because they admit the objective truth; thus overruling the erring ump.
I guess not every player is in the same sportsmanship league! 🤷🏿♂️
@@Bourne246 he offered to replay the point if the supervisor decided that his shot hit the ground on his side of the court first.
What kind of offer is that.
Its a lame offer foistering responsibility onto someone else for your poor sportsmanship. @Sobchak2
@@Sobchak2 ultimately.. its not up to the players to decide the outcome, thats the job of the ump. I dont wanna spend all day talking about ethics, someone wasnt doing his job well enough, period.
a gentleman and sportsman in FAA
Many calls that a player ‘always knows’ are shown to be incorrect in slo mo. Coco Gauff recently was ‘sure’ the call came in before she pulled up on her shot, but the video shows her swing complete and then the call came in. It’s the opposite of what you are saying and happens all the time. Look at line call challenges. How sure a player is has no bearing on reality.
You also say that the umpire ‘knew’ it hit the ground first because of the trajectory, but you haven’t made that case either. He could have thought it possible it hit the frame and went wonky, etc..
Question- why aren’t they just implementing video review in tennis? Would’ve solved the issues in both of these cases.
Coco’s was very different , not comparable at all
@@garettmatheis933 I’m advocating for video review. They are comparable that leaving it up to the player is not a great strategy since they can and often are wrong while being completely confident. And umpires can also be incorrect and we are all left without video review to clear it up. Which in both cases led to speculation, name calling, and emotional bias. How is that not similar?
They've played thousands of hours of tennis. They play professionally every day and practice. He knew it hit his racket and then hit his side of the court but he wasn't willing to concede the point.
The assertion is that experienced players always know what happened involving interactions between the ball and their racquet, not that they know everything that happened on or around the court. I think this is generally true.
@@garettmatheis933 he doesn´t compare ! He states an important point: that players can be "sure" about a point, and still can be completely wrong.
in ping pong the rule is the same as in tennis: you hit the ball and it bounces on your side of the table before it crosses over, you lose the point. This is only allowed (in fact it is mandatory) when you serve. Wrong paradigm, just to set the case straight )
He literally says "that is like a ping pong serve"
Not the first time he mentions it, which was in the context of the ball already being in play.
He says it the second time, obviously he thought the same thing the first time. Just listen and don't be so quick to judge and write.
Excellent explanation of the failed shot. Poor sportsmanship on Draper's part. Ump needs demotion. I vote Felix for Time's Man of the Year......class act indeed!
Oh shut up it isn't Jacks responsibility and he said he'd replay the point if it got overruled.
it was the right call. the ball moved away from the net after the bounce
dude shut up
Whatever this guy is explaining is in the past… it is not Jack’s fault or mistake… it’s the responsibility of the empire! And Jack did offer to play the point and the empire ruled it out! This guy is making a mountain out of a mole hill!! Well said @ioandavies7161 …
Absolute nonsense...why is this a witch hunt over one dubious point call? 🤦🏻♂️
Big Ups to Felix for not throwing a Sasha.
lmao
Sasha would be crying till his hair fell off
Sasha would take the racquet and start hitting the umpire. Maybe I'm a little salty but it actually could happen, as he had such kind of behaviour.
Sasha was our dogs's name she might bite the umpire if she thought something bad😊😊
Excellent summary, analysis, and conclusion of this incident 👌🏾. Fully agree with the class FAA displayed. I was incensed by what unfolded, having just seen the highlights 🤬
As you state, the ATP could put instant replay into practice in some situations. As far as the moralizing on your part, casting aspersions on Jack for an event that lasted 1 msec isn't moral. Yes, I do respect Felix for his handling of an unfortunate situation.
Wow ! I just subscribed to your channel. I have been looking for such an analysis of the situation since it happened. Like you are saying, and we can see it very well on the official slow motion replay, Jack’s eyes confirm that he knows he missed his shot.
I am from Quebec and proud father of a son who had the opportunity to play against Felix in a tournament when they were 13. He was already a class act then. Thank you so much for taking the time and providing all those insights.
Thank you for subscribing. This was the only clip we can use that is not copyright protected, so while it's not ideal in terms of quality it's still adequate to illustrate the truth. You son must be a fine player and all fine players know when they made a fair shot or not.
I've been playing tennis for almost 40 years. Yes, sometimes you can't tell if you got to a ball before it bounced twice (rare, because you almost always know). But in this particular case, you would *definitely* know if the ball bounced on your side after you hit it. As you said, it's unlikely you actually saw it since it happened so quickly, but you'd know because of the sound, the feel of the racquet, and seeing how the ball reacted. No way Draper would not have known what happened. He seems to be a nice guy, but that was very poor sportsmanship. According to the rules of the game, if he knew what really happened, he should've called it on himself and given the point to FAA. It *is* his responsibility to call it on himself. Only if he truly didn't know can he get away with it. Officially you have to give him the benefit of the doubt, but all players would know he's lying. Just lost a little respect for him...
I’ve also played for over 40 years and I disagree. It was very close and very quick and I believe that he may not have known. I think it unfair to question his character… he is a very decent guy and I think he would have called it if he was sure he hit it into the ground. Maybe he felt it was a legit half volley or at worst was unsure and therefore felt the umpire needed to make the call. He shouldn’t need to give the point away if he is unsure… that is what umpires are for. Just because FAA says he saw one thing doesn’t make it so… in this case FAA was right, but Jack doesn’t know that unless they can see the replay… They need video replay and that’s that. Accusing Jack of cheating goes too far. He doesn’t not deserve a bunch of nobodies piling crap on him for something that is wrong with the system. I bet also that in your 40 years of playing tennis you have called a few balls out which you legitimately thought was out (it was close and it was quick) that were actually in. Nobody gets every single call right…. Nobody. At the end of the day, it is crazy they don’t do video replays for things such as this.
@@whatevs1700 I agree that there should be replays for these types of situations. But in this particular case, it all depends on whether or not Draper knew what happened. We can definitely agree to disagree. It is clear what actually happened. I just find it far fetched that he wouldn't have known that he lost the point. He also, if he were truly unsure, could've offered to play a let. But he said something like he would play a let *if* there was a video replay. All in all, poor sportsmanship in my mind.
@@whatevs1700draper knew 100%. He didn't celebrate immediately. He looked at the umpire. He gave a BS excuse that he was looking at FAA, not the ball. He also offered to replay, knowing that it would not be the outcome since VAR is not an option. He lacks sportsmanship; the world now knowing this is the outcome
@@whatevs1700he is such a decent guy that he offered to reply the point if the supervisor thought the ball hit the ground in his half of the court first.
Which is really quite ridiculous, as in that case the point should have been awarded to Felix.
Having video replay would solve these kinds of situations , and not put the onus on the player, and incompetent umpires .
why not both? genuinely i don’t see how the umpire could believe a ball can move like that cleanly but maybe he’s never played tennis in his life 😂
I'm guessing he only played We-Tennis
Exactly my thoughts, why not both
This event exemplifies what's so annoying to me about tennis umping. There's a culture of "I must always appear immediately decisive even if I'm unsure" (there are exceptions, of course).
Those of us who've been playing a long time know that everything about this point screamed for a replay _at least._ The immediate physical reactions of both players, the trajectory of the ball, the fact that Jack did not immediately claim to have cleanly hit the ball and said he'd be willing to replay right after the ump ruled - all of that should've been enough to replay. But the ump had to project (false) confidence from the get-go.
If both players are willing to do a replay in a clearly questionable point, put your ego aside, umps, and just replay the point.
He definitely doesn’t play often!
@@BassByTheBay There is no replay in the rule book. A replay was the one thing that the umpire was not allowed to judge.
I think it's very simple. If a chair umpire says "I didn't see" and nothing more, then he cannot be a chair umpire.
I am currently debating a few people (who must not have played or are one sided Draper fans) about whether it was legal or not. I have played for 40 years and coached for about 30. You are totally correct that every player can feel it. It’s a sign of your character if you concede or it if you chose to take advantage of the situation. It’s not important to him I realise, but I have no respect for Draper now. He 100% knows. Felix on the other hand showed he has amazing character. I will direct the Draper fans to your excellent clip.
100%
How can a player know how a shot feels if the shot is one in a million? The video replays on UA-cam show the ball either coming up a fraction of an inch to the racket, or hitting the court and the racket frame at the same time. Either way, the shot is valid, and since it would take a million volleys for someone to experience that exact scenario, Draper may simply not have felt it before. Who knows what sort of spin the ball takes when it hits the court and the frame at the same time, especially since the different angles the racket could be at might make all the difference? You can't depend on the accuracy of the copy of the replay that you have. Other copies don't show things exactly as yours does, and neither yours nor any of the other copies show the ball coming off the racket and then into the court. ONLY if the ball does that does it become an invalid shot.
Draper is lying and ump made a bad call
Both are being an ass.
It’s not the crime of the century, nor the worst call ever made by a chair ump. Video review would have made sense if it was available
Video review just opens up a VAR size can of worms - not sure who would want that. The 'Video ref' just isn't worth the hassle that comes with it.
I see a lot of people using the word "cleanly" or "clean shot." You can hit a shot that's not "clean" and it's still legitimate. Jack knows it hit his racquet twice, but is unsure that it hit the ground first. That ball shanks off the rim, but in one motion hits the strings and pops over, it's a legit shot. You never hear the ball bounce, so I don't know why people keep saying he would have heard the ball hit the ground. If there was replay that was super slow, that is the only way you can see it. Even in some slow motions it looks like a double hit in one motion.
This for me is clearest view it hits racket first, then ground: ua-cam.com/video/j4LoBlxxERU/v-deo.htmlsi=dcdqHQijdB8S6wSO
I agree with you 100% and is the most sane explanation I have heard that I echo. Well done sir
I would have thought it obvious to anyone that in this instance, people are using the term "clean" to mean legitimate.
I see ball and racquet in close proximity to each other as Draper is bending his wrist back to make contact. Hits off his strings then the ball goes over. If he hit it in the ground why is there no disruption on the ball from the racquet? We see the ball trailing downward but in that position I don't see the ball being disturbed on its surface to indicate contact from Draper's racquet. I see he finessed his approach bending back his wrist, the ball bounces up then hits his strings then goes over. If the racquet hit the ball into the ground, how did it continue it's forward motion toward Draper's racquet? The conclusion would be the ball hits racquet, hits ground, jumps back up to his racquet then over. Don't see that in the replay. Then despite all that friction, it still has enough umph to hit the tape, bounce high off the net, and then goes over several feet into the court. At the very least should have died and dropped over. Even then not a ridiculous call as the shot occured far left of the ump, if he blinked would have missed it. Draper just has poor argumentative skills and should never be a lawyer. I also think he was being respectful toward Felix who was obviously upset, but is not a cheater or complainer. So if Felix is bothered by something maybe something did go wrong. To me it is obvious after the ball landed, both Draper and the ump were confused cuz Felix wasn't coming to net to shake hands. My eyes and logic maybe wrong, but I think there is reasonable doubt about the legality of the shot as I have heard many different perspectives. So in all fairness giving Draper the benefit of the doubt. If he had shanked it, undoubtedly I feel he would have known it. But I don't think that happened. But you do have my vote for video review being available to umps and the players. This is professional sport, Cincy is a huge tournament, the tech should be there. As this whole debacle isn't fair to players or fans that are left gutted.
Even after repetition people are still divided till now about the sitution. the situation is though and the referee decided it s a legitimate point and we should respect referee decision. This is how tennis rules are and this is how tennis is played from decades.
“This is the way we always done it” is one of the worst statements to defend a mistake. I can agree that neither Draper not the referee are at fault, but surely we call all agree that tennis officiating can be improved. Slow motion review of critical points is badly needed.
Draper can concede the point if he wants to, other players do that for fair play & sportsmanship! He instead put the burden to the umpire because he knows it favors him.
@@hpfme 100% Jack knew. He stole this match and he knows it.
It could be change to allow replay - but even there I wouldn't be able to say from the replay at 100% that it was not the right call. That being said, the Chair made the ruling and at this point it can only be accepted.
@@SachaLRoy Draper knows lol he definitely knows and even if the chair rules Draper could still concede the point just like any sportsmanship of a tennis player do but he did not.
Felix added some buff and shine to his character...Draper just mucked and dinged his up...he knew it hit the ground.
The even whackier thing is the ball clipped the net on the way over and then died on FAA's side.
If that hadn't happened FAA most likely would've had an easy put away and there'd be no need to analyse this further.
very nice description and analysis of the whole situation
It looks to me that ball was "trapped" - hit the ground and frame simultaneously, then hit the strings at the ball rebounded up, which is a legal shot because it was ONE stroke.
It's close. You make a great point.
Think about it. If the ball hit the frame at the same time as the ground......it wouldn't go up!! There would be NO BOUNCE. To go up, it must hit the ground and BOUNCE onto the frame or hit the frame and BOUNCE onto the ground.
@@FrancoisBernier-np4cpNo, the ball was compressed vertically when trapped between the ground and frame and would rise up when the racquet, itself, lifted.
Well Said and I agree that Felix showed his true Incredible Character in trying to help the Umpire lean towards viewing the reply in saying how he would be viewed as making a serious Blunder in allowing his Bad Judgement to stand.
In table tennis, you only hit the ball on your side when serving; the rally is the same as tennis.
I was in the Grandstand Stadium watching live on Friday. Watching it live, you knew it didn't go over the net cleanly. No replay was played on the big screen. Everyone in the stadium saw it as well. Not Drapers job to concede the point either. Poor umpiring and there def should be a VAR rule.
You could call it a mis-hit half volley off the frame. Not a clean shot but a legal shot.
So you're saying because it didn't go over the net cleanly that it wasn't a legit shot (as you mentioned poor umpiring). Crazy!
Your analysis here is 100% bang-on in both accounts; (1) the fact that Draper lost the point and (2) that he would’ve known that he lost the point (…by feel, the sound of the ball hitting his racket then the court on his side…). THANKK YOU!
Dear everyone. I repeated the action 5 times. Only till the 5th repetition i could see the ball touch the racket frame first then the ground. So it s a wrong call but we cannot blame the umpire noor count on Draper honesty to concede the point. It s a though action for any umpire. Maybe this action will serve to improve atp tennis rules but without blaming anybody especially the players or the umpires.
I refuse to put Draper down for this. And FAA is by far my favorite tennis player. As for the umpire.....it is a fast game. The umpires should demand video replay. Look around the world and tell me one pro sport organization that does not use video replay? The ATP has to get their heads out of the sand and check into video equipment. This is not the end of the world for FAA and I hope tennis fans don't put the blame on Draper.
Tennis fans are so toxic and that they are already calling Draper a lying POS and "fans" will always bring this up whenever he plays.
Thank you so much for your video, you explained perfectly what precisely happened in this situation, hope this kind of injustice don’t happen again… Anyhow, certainly it is serving to teach us so wisely how to behave in life… may our values and principles guide our life to be good and honest above the unique desire to win. What a beautiful lesson from Aliassime, he receives the admiration of the public, despite having lost the opportunity to continue the game. Tennis is life :)
The only thing I can conclude is that the ball hit the court almost at the same time as his racket. The ball compressed in two directions in your still frame. If it solidly hit the frame first then bounced down, I don't think the compression of the ball would be as drastic in the still image. I can see it in your way as well but honestly it's not conclusive either way. The actual play was a split second so to ask any player to definitively determine what happened is not fair either. It's up to the umpire and officials to determine it. That's what they are there for.
Video replay could be already possible. They just needed to ask for the close up slow motion. It would take less time than all the arguing on the court… shameful
thanks for clearing it up and showing the video
Totally agree. What I've been saying all along. Great observation.
Just watched. There is no way you can be sure that jack draper knew this. This happened in a millisecond. You should be accusing someone of lying. It is infuriating to be accused of cheating. Draper was smiling like he won directly afterwards. He asked for a replay and then he said would replay the point. You should not be questioning his character if you don’t know it is true.
Of course he knows. Give me a break.
He knew.
I don't think he knew so he left it to the umpire which supposedly was 100% sure it was a good shot. People make mistakes, yes this umpire sucks, but he had to make the call
I don't think you can see whether the ball hit the ground or the racquet first in this section of the video. But if you look at the very beginning of the original video: ua-cam.com/video/OD54dUJ3Cow/v-deo.html
And you use the "." and "," (period and comma) keys to go forward and backward one frame at a time, you can clearly see that the ball hits the ground first, gets deflected up, then hits the strings of the racquet and is deflected upward and forward, hits the net and then goes over it.
@@wweber260 you can see it from 10 light years away. A ball doesn’t move like that by magic.
I totally agree. The ball hit the racquet and ground together and the combination of hitting the ground and the frame made for a very unusual return, but that does not make it a bad shot.
Think about it. If the ball hit the frame at the same time as the ground......it wouldn't go up!! There would be NO BOUNCE. To go up, it must hit the ground and BOUNCE onto the frame or hit the frame and BOUNCE onto the ground.
It’s BS that the player always knows. It was so close that he legitimately could have felt that it hit the ground first. It is also BS to question his character… have you played at such a high level when the ball is flying so fast? Just because Federer thinks he can always feel it doesn’t make that true. Federer may have said that because he felt some other player cheated him. I don’t think Draper was cheating at all. His reaction after winning the point was won of amazement that the shot came off… it was not a cheater smile… I have played many matches and I know the difference. It is very unfair for you to read minds and questions his character. You talk about FAA class… and I normally would agree with you… but in this case he was out of line questioning Jacks character… Jack is a great guy and is also a class act so it sucks for him that the throngs of judgemental people like you are ragging on him when he doesn’t deserve it.
Actual pro players from Stubbs to Kyrgios say there’s no way he didn’t know!
I’ll take their word over yours.
I'm in agreement with the part that at the moment, with how fast the ball goes from racquet to the other side, I don't think we can clearly say that Jack Draper knew/felt he hit a ping pong point. Jack did the correct thing in leaving it in hands of the umpire, the umpire said he was 100% sure it was a fair shot and that's it. It's like those balls hitting the lines on Clay. Can someone be 100% sure ball is in or out? Hell no, but you have to make a call in the moment.
I believe that if we put players hitting that shot without knowing they'll hit the shot, results will say 50% thought they hit a half volley and 50% thought they hit a ping pong point .
Depending on the situation, yes, the player may legitimately not know what happened. In this particular case, Draper would've definitely known he shanked it into the ground. He is lying. You can clearly hear the ball deflecting twice. He would've felt that the first sound came from the ball hitting his racquet and the second sound immediately thereafter was the ball hitting the ground. Unless he was conveniently deaf at that moment, he knew for sure what happened. All the players on tour now know. Draper will have to face his peers with them knowing this about him.
@@vicman877 Your argument is faulty. The ball hitting the lines on clay cannot be felt on your racquet hand. So, it is not the same.
@@lalithdealwis4610 but that part was about the umpire. They make the calls, like those on clay where they say they're sure the ball was out or in.
Easy to point fingers but the whole thing happened in fraction of seconds. Not sure if anyone could be absolutely 100% right.
Thanks for the explanation! Finally understand what happened! Yes, shout out to FAA for being a good sport even when he got robbed. First class sportsmanship.
Shame on everybody accusing draper of lying it s like they know his inside thoughts . Really big shame. Nobody can be sure if draper knew the ball was on ground first or on frame. He asked for replay as the action was so fast and he acted according to tennis rules which is asking umpire standpoint who s the only one capable to decide on this situation. Fair victory for Draper.
He was afraid of the repeat. Not an honest act . No shame here. Shame on draper and on you not painting out dishonesty. He clearly spoke out against repeat video
The only real shame is on you accusing people without proof @@ThetennisDr
@@ThetennisDrthe only real shame is on you accusing people of being gulty without any proof.
I agree 100% with your explanation. Aliassime act like a true gentleman. Those other guys you mentioned (Nadal, Sinner & Alcaraz) will certaintly do the same. Draper wiill be forever in my black list.
This is a man who thought he knew his victory was in the pocket but didn't want to thought of as a cheater so he said he didn't know how he made the point and left the decision to the umpire while knowing the umpire would not change his call so he gave the responsibility to the umpire and played the innocent man who wanted to come off as a good sport.
It’s not Draper’s job to officiate and the referee couldn’t tell if it was a double bounce. Only a slow replay showed it. We need technology for line calls and VAR for these cases.
It's called sportsmanship and looking at yourself in the mirror and knowing you were being honest.
It wasn’t a double bounce, it hit his racquet then hit the ground.
@@toofrequenttraveller7707 Yep. The trajectory of the ball got interrupted being in mid-air before it went straight down (caused by the shank) so Draper lost the point
Also not his job to lie and claim he was looking at Felix. Which pro tennis player takes his eye of the ball 😂
Double bounce ???
Excellent analysis! Well done!
Thank you kindly!
I don't think Jack Draper lied or has been dishonest. He was the first one who said to the empire: Can you check the replay? He wasn't really sure what happened. And because I have been playing tennis for over 30 years, I know you don't always know how things went if it was so close and fast. I have many times played "double bounces" and I really didn't know if it was ok or not. And this particular scenario is super rare. So you might thing these players experienced this many times before but believe me, this happens maybe 1x time in a season for a player and most players don't experience this ever in their career. So I would be very hesitant about calling Jack Draper a lier or anything like that.
But of course Alliasime was awesome and probably he was the only one who could see it properly because he was watching the scene from the best level court angle let's say. Not even the umpire can see this from the seat above the court. So I can't blaim the umpire either. What I can blame is the rules as you said - just watch the replay, it takes few seconds and you have a clean call, everyone is happy. Easy to do nowadays so I strongly recommend ATP/WTA to allow watching replays in these situations.
I accept you've played for 30 years, but clearly then not at a high level... As emphasized in the video (so I won't repeat the description of how), we always know.
Roger Federer even had to deal with these bad decisions and explain the spin (and feel) to the unthinking ump☺️
(BTW Borges - Garin was the worst ump decision recently. Borges clearly did _nothing that could lose the point_ yet dumpire reversed and awarded the point to Garin. Garin, Draper, Dustin Brown and Rune live in the [recent] halls of shame... They do know what happened - Video replay is necessary because 99% of spectators are not top league🎾players.)
I’ve nvr played & I know he’s lying. He closed his eyes in frustration for wayyyy longer then a blink, why would anyone do that midgame? He would’ve still been alert & ready for the next shot but he instantly knew he shanked it. Literally written all over his face. He actually looked shocked or surprised he got the point
@@troy6606 exactly
I’ve played the game since I was a kid and won tournaments and I can tell you for certain I know when I shank the ball into the ground. You can feel it in your hands where it impacts on the racket. You can tell by the return trajectory as well if it was a clean volley or half volley or a shanked shot. Draper is higher level than me and he knows what happens. Watch Draper’s initial reaction after the play and then his reaction to the umpire call. That’s a man who was surprised and you wouldn’t be surprised if you know you hit a good shot back.
It was a lot closer than I originally thought. A lot closer than people are making out. Tough call for the naked eye.
ive been playing tennis for 50 years it’s sometimes in the heat of the moment impossible to tell if the ball hit the racket first sure if you just playing a normal shot not under lots of match point stress you might or might not know it had happened i don’t believe that the player always knows there are thousands of examples of players not knowing whats happened exactly- thats why we have umpires- to make difficult calls - i think its very vindictive to call draper a liar
I agree with you 100%. I feel sorry for Jack Draper.
100% Jack knew
His body language could not have been more guilty
He knew. They're not playing tennis recreationally for 50 years they play it professionally every day. He'd know by the sound, how the ball behaved after hitting his racket and then the ground. Even his behavior after demonstrated he knew but didn't want to admit it.
@@chrismolemediaDon't. He knew and lied. No way a professional tennis player wouldn't know what happened. He had guilt written all over his face but tried playing it off like he didn't.
@@badmanskill1112 im a painter and a tennis player when painting you need to sense the most minute differences in pressure when making a paint stroke, but if it was match point and my blood was pumping and my adrenaline flowing and my emotions running high i couldnt tell you if someone stuck a pin in my arm let alone the difference between a fraction of a second in the bounce of a ball. even half the people who watch the video think its a bounce and hit simultaneously but to call the guy a liar is very unfair and i think jumping to conclusions
Players aren't responsible for making those calls
Nice report and congrats to Gentleman FAA
I’ve played a lot of tennis. This has happened to me numerous times and I ALWAYS knew it when it happened because you feel it!
The ball was already in contact with the ground the first time it makes contact with Draper’s frame. That’s why his frame is knocked slightly backwards. There is no second contact with the ground. There is then a second contact with the frame as the frame resumes its forward motion. Assuming this still counts as a “continuous motion” then it’s a legal shot. What FAA claims happened, and this guy here (who knows so much about tennis that he cannot even pronounce FAA’s name) claims, is not what the video shows.
Very clear report of what happened.
Agreed. No handshake for either of them.
The umpire did not make the right call. Draper may have been honest that he didn't see it and didn't know, he could have at least agree for the point to be replayed.
Felix was an absolute gentleman with how he dealt with the situation. Felt bad that he had the bad end of the decision.
I don't agree. The ball should have landed on ground first and hit the inner frame so that's why it bounced so high.
Ball hit the racket twice
@@impopquiz That's allowed if it's one formard motion of the arm.
I agree with you! Thanks for your video!
Thanks for watching!
If the referee doesn't call a foul on you while you're guarding LeBron, then it's a play on type situation. Asking players to ref their own matches is asinine at these levels. There's a reason why their are linespeople, referee, and supervisor at these events. You work hard to become a pro so you don't have to call your own matches.
@@ExtraGuac007 tennis is not basketball, sportsmanship still counts. For some players, obviously.
@Sobchak2 Sportsmanship is overrated in a sport where players routinely break racquets, threaten to kill linespeople, and take medical time outs when they're losing.
Don't be ridiculous. You don't work hard to become a pro so you don't have to call your own matches. You do it to win matches and tournaments, so you can earn a lot of money.
@@ExtraGuac007 what does this even mean? Many top players concede points or offer to replay points if they think the umpire made a bad call. Most players, in fact.
@Sobchak2 I've never seen it done on match point when it matters.
I wouldn't even say ego got in the way for the umpire - there's no video replay so he had to stick by his decision, otherwise he would look like a fool changing his call. He needs to call it as he sees it. Unless both players agree that he had gotten it wrong, it would be weird if he'd turn the call around. Anyway hope there will be a video review system in place soon where he makes a call on his walkie-talkie and a team of 2 video umps figure it out.
The Chair umpire can't reverse his call after the player start arguing. Video replay would certainly help, but tbh, just with the replay that I've seen, the level of certainty to reverse the decision wouldn't be there.
@@SachaLRoy maybe you've seen the wrong video, i think the evidence was pretty clear. But i thought it was the sound of the bounce that made it most obvious, should need no replay really.
Been playing tennis for 50 years. This one is too close to call, but yeah a replay like they do in the NBA is not a bad idea here.
The opponent on the opposite side of the net knew, how could Draper not know? Poor sportsmanship. To the layman, it may have been hard to tell, but an umpire who is supposed to be experienced should be able to tell if this happened and if not sure should have a replay and review it upon a complaint by the player. This should be an easy and effective solution to this kind of problem.
It's hard to tell but the ball appears to have backspin when Draper returned it, possibly indicating it bounced once. If the ball was hit on the frame of the racquet directly towards the ground, it could have generated topspin instead. But nobody really can be 100% sure because we don't have closer replay footage.
Excellent analysis!
BS. Pros have no obligation to call against themselves. In fact pros are wrong half the time on line calls. Good call by umpire! Replay too blurry to discern.
What TK Tennis does is not good. I understand the frustration, but I think it’s important to consider a few things about the situation. First, at match point, the stakes are incredibly high, and conceding a point in that moment could have completely shifted the momentum in Felix’s favor. It’s the umpire’s responsibility to make the correct call, and unfortunately, mistakes happen. Even with slow-motion replays, it’s clear that the double bounce was hard to detect, so it’s possible that Draper wasn’t even certain himself. It’s a tough situation, but I believe Draper was playing within the rules. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt!
Why?????
Interesting debate about honesty on Draper's part. Contrast this with the sport of Football where replays often show a ball hitting the ground just before the catch, and the receiver trying to argue he caught the ball. One sport cheating; the other sport good acting to gain an advantage for you and your team. There is no expectation on the football players part to be honest.
The people who love tennis the most are those who play. If you've played a while....you kinda know when a ball was line, or you're jobbing someone, we just know. Draper knew.
Perfect analysis. Jack’s eyes give it away in slow motion as he closes them in disgust knowing he lost the point. Felix has class, Jack does not. And don’t even get me started about the umpire and the tournament referee…they should both be fired.
Ball has topspin after Draper’s strike. This can only happen if the ball hits the ground *after* racquet contact. Such low volley/half volley shots struck in legal manner always carry backspin. No freeze frame video needed.
you do not mention Draper's proposal to replay the point.
has this ever been done, is replay a point written down in the laws of tennis ?
I still think it may have been a double hit, after squeezing the ball on the ground, which means the racket touches the ball at the same moment the ball touches the ground, the frame rolls of the ball to give it that funny topspin curve.
What Draper said was, "... if he says to me right now that the ball hit the ground and he saw it on the tv, I would play the point again." That is not offering to replay the point. If he was offering to replay the point, he would've said something like, "Should we replay the point?" And yes, if both players agree, they can replay the point. It has happened before, though I can't recall a specific instance.
By the way, you'd know by how the ball is spinning after the hit what happened. It would have some sort of backspin if it was a legal hit (mishit half volley). Topspin if it was illegal ( ball hit ground after hitting racquet). But Draper claimed he was watching Felix, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't see the spin of the ball, though I'm skeptical (why wouldn't you watch where the ball is going after you've shanked it?).
It shouldn’t be a replay, it should be FAA point
Are tennis people nuts what does Federal Auronatics Administration have to do with this!!
Great analysis and coverage of this! I'd like you to then set up a "viewer vote" afterwards where those watching your GREAT ANALYSIS can vote afterwards!!
Totally agree. Even a club player who has played tennis for a while knows that the shot was NOT a good shot. There's no way Draper would not know. ATP made the situation ridiculous. In the legal system when the judge at first instance makes a wrong decision, there is a system of appeal and hopefully a correct decision is reached on appeal. It is simply egregious to allow an incompetent umpire to be the judge when there is no appellate system to rectify his mistake!
So we need very slow motion video and frame by frame to SEE the ball in a very diffuse frame that looks like it hit the bottom of the racket and then bounced off the ground. But we need to stop the picture for a few seconds to see what is not clear, and a few seconds more to think about it. With the speed, movement, position and height of the ball and racket, I can only imagine how many people would be sure that the shot was right or wrong. I don't know what the professional tennis rules are for international tournaments, but when in doubt, the game should be replayed. Or as a commenter below says, in cases like this, a video of the shot would be helpful. How long would it take to review the shot?
Yes.
Great report. What will ATP do now that we see clearly the ball hitting the racket first? So frustrating.
Its hard in the heat of the moment but if they were playing replays on the big screens and he sees that then he should have said its your point to Felix.
It’s unfortunate your expertise does not extend to the rules of table tennis.
LOL I thought the same thing!
He specifically referenced Ping Pong which is the version of table tennis where you actually hit the ball down into your own side first, exactly what Draper did here!
@@enochtailooks like it's a local thing. In Europe, ping pong and table tennis are the exact same sport
@@MarcelloZucchi91Even professional European table tennis would never call it Ping Pong and use it interchangeably, the creator of the video was just referring to how it was clearly bounced on his side first much like in the unserious more casual game of ping pong
@@enochtai On the serve. On a return, as here, it would be exactly the same as in tennis. PS There are no "versions" of table tennis. "Ping pong" is just a common name for the game. He's using the name to be demeaning.
Yeah it's easy for us. We are sitting here and watching a shot that took milliseconds frame by frame and to be honest I had to watch it more than once to be really sure what happened. At normal Speed it's almost impossible to tell (and that's what the Umpire has to do). And the Player always knows? I'm not quite sure about that in this situation.
We have two scenarios.
1. The correct one: Ball hits ground, ball hits frame and strings in a smooth motion
2. The foul one: Ball hits frame. Ball hits ground and strings in a smooth motion.
Remember this takes milleseconds. How can Draper be 100% sure what happened. Bounce frame strings or frame bounce strings. That is almost one sound and one sensation in the racket.
So now we've got Hawk-eye and Foxtenn (I like the latter more because it shows the real bounce) but neither could help in this situation. So let's go and add just more technical overhead to the game. I know the cameras are already there but there is more to it than that. You need even more people like hawk-eye which doesn't work by itself (I think you need 4 People in total to operate and you have to calibrate in regular intervals)
I agree that the call was wrong, and I didn't think so when I finally saw the TV replay (today just a couple times), but on the thing about the player always knowing I'm a Federer fan and don't remember him saying that about this situation. I remember him arguing with an umpire over one, pointing out the physics of how a ball can't have topspin off a low volley, which I completely understand and of course he was right. Maybe he did say it, but I do remember James Blake once saying that on drop shots the player always knows if the ball bounced twice. Different scenario of course and don't know what your definition of "high-level tennis" would be but I played juniors and 4.5 USTA and a ton of singles matches and tourneys. I've rarely been blown off a court and I've definitely chased down thousands of drop shots and I disagreed with Blake. Yes most of the time I knew when it bounced twice (and would call it on myself), but there were atleast a few times where I genuinely wasn't sure whether it hit the ground before my frame. Yes they might've suspiciously popped up but that's happened from hitting the inside of my frame too. The contact to the court and the racket can be razor close where you don't really feel the double-hit and yes much closer than it was between Draper's racket and the court (opposite direction of a "not up"), so in that sense yes there's a good chance he knew but I don't think certain enough to hold him to the fire over it. He atleast suspected and obviously wanted to see the replay as much as anyone. He didn't "fail miserably". And comparing it to believing in flat earth?? Come on dude
As you said it's the chairs resp to call not Jack's. Split second hit I believe Jack.
Great summary, Jack Draper is a liar, and the ref is a clown.
nonsense.
As a tennis player and avid follower, I will never forget the name Jack Draper as a british professional tennis player.
not sure I see a regular no mans land pick up shot I do this all the time Roger fed did this his whole career doesn't look like it bounced twice watched this four times looks like a half volley its not his job to make the call!
Man how could this be even a bad decision if folks cant agree on it online afrer a slo mo review? Man have you seen that ball out by a full feet a week or so ago? You analysing this step by step by video says a lot how pathetic it is to make humans decide about it under stress in real time
Finally someone smart. Thank you!
did Felix need this video to be convinced he was right? why the umpire could not see this (it's job, btw) ?why did he show such confidence in his decision if Draper were "not 100% sure" whether the action was legit?
I don't think you can see whether the ball hit the ground or the racquet first in this section of the video. But if you look at the very beginning of the original video: ua-cam.com/video/OD54dUJ3Cow/v-deo.html
And you "pause" and then use the "." and "," (period and comma) keys to go forward and backward one frame at a time, you can clearly see that the ball hits the ground first, gets deflected up, then hits the strings of the racquet and is deflected upward and forward, hits the net and then goes over it.
So the official made the correct call.
This is what I saw when reviewing and in this video it is not at all clear to me that the ball hit his racquet first, but if it had, it does not hit racquet first then ground then over. Hit ground, with racquet in close proximity, popped up, then off Draper's racquet.
To be fair to the umpire - this was a very unorthodox play. The fact that we have to review this in slow motion and we still need to play it back a few times to be sure is a testament to how quick this shot came in real life and how difficult it would be to call. Definitely replays need to be implemented in professional tennis so that these calls can be clarified in real time. However, in this instance, all the hate directed towards the umpire seems a little much. This was a difficult call for sure, especially considering it came on match point.
As a side note, I don't think the ATP/WTA would want to implement these replays because it seems like the arguing/controversy is what gets tennis media attention.
Amazing contrast between Felix's judgement from far away and the umpire's close view of Draper's ball.
Finally someone explains it properly and clearly. Jesus why was it so hard. Thank you
Felix is high quality of respect and behaving with the best Man sportsman of the year
I’ve always liked Felix Auger-Aliassime. He was the epitome of class and grace in a very adverse situation. I hope he plays and wins many tournaments in the future.
Video replay like VAR in football is looooong overdue in Pro tennis
Two facts that made Draper harder to tell for sure. First, the ball hit the ground and the racquet at exactly the same time. Second, he was running full speed into the ball after serve. People who claim he must know, like have you ever made a mistake in your own line call? Yes and that's human. As an experienced player you would know sometimes you just cant tell in the heat of the moment. So just let the umpire make the call. In this case, I agree the umpire made a mistake and the officials should have reviewed the video.
Think about it. If the ball hit the frame at the same time as the ground......it wouldn't go up!! There would be NO BOUNCE. To go up, it must hit the ground and BOUNCE onto the frame or hit the frame and BOUNCE onto the ground.
Draper is a cheat
Difficult to see exactly what happened; maybe the ball hit the racquet frame and ground at exactly the same time.
Think about it. If the ball hit the frame at the same time as the ground......it wouldn't go up!! There would be NO BOUNCE. To go up, it must hit the ground and BOUNCE onto the frame or hit the frame and BOUNCE onto the ground.
Thank you bro you make me happy
I watched that right away when it happened over and over and what is relevant to me is the trajectory of the ball and the spin it had. I had always an impression that Jack rack touched the ball at the moment the ball landed, and rack frame had on the top of the ball effect to create that spin which it had and what was created under the pressure of squeeze, that's why it went in very unusual trajectory up spinning top spin but high up. In case first rack frame and the floor ball would never go up the way it did. In my judgement the trajectory is so special that it needs to be considered first. So understanding from the beginning was as I said. The Jack's racquet touched to ball at the moment the ball touched the ground. The touch was on the top of the ball while rack was moving forward, it brushed the ball for the topspin while the pressure at the same time squeezed the ball and it went in top-spinning up ...
I’m a club player and if this happened to us, we would’ve replayed the point. Even with slow motion, it was still hard to see. If I were the umpire, I would have them replay the point. Perfect gentleman FAA.
The fact that everybody watching this match on TV can do a better analysis of moments like this than the chair umpire and supervisor is just wrong.