Alabama Chief Backs European-Style Helmets
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- Coaling Fire District Chief Scott White of Alabama gives his candid opinion on traditional helmets vs. European-style protection. Chief White proudly wears an MSA helmet, saying "I'm looking for safety and what's best for my guys."
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All due respect chief, if you have to egress a wall, a 16” helmet isn’t the part that’s going to get stuck.
You might be surprised... I've seen some big ol boys get through that 16 inches
In our department, the Rosenbauer Heros Titan is standard and I love it
Man grüßt Sie. Wir haben die Dinger bei uns auch. Find die richtig cool. In meinen Augen der beste Helm den es gibt
@@gewurzgurkenkaiser2575 War mir erst nicht sicher, ob die Größenverstellung am Hinterkopf sich nicht aus Versehen drehen kann an der Wand oder so aber ist noch nie passiert
Not only does the traditional duckbill look better, but it also protects the back of your neck from burning embers and other stuff we encounter on the fireground.
Euro helmets have covers that go past the neck 😊
Duckbill helmets are dated too many things on them to catch ie torch/wedge etc plus if you were to look vertically it will move forward on your head.We used to have them yrs ago on station but now have Rosenbauer heros titan helmets far better.
Idk why people get so mad about a better functioning helmet hmm
Because it is tradition and pride, some may laugh but it is the reason you volunteer and do what you do. So much is sacrificed, so much heartache and mental and physical pain. However, the willingness to carry on and know that you are surrounded by fellow firemen and the firemen that your father may have served with is all you need. So, what may seem like a miniscule change is taking a lot of the pride, the american pride out of it.
@@sidneygiroux4375 there are fire departments in Europe older than your country, even from ancient Rome. Talk about tradition and sacrifice? Because that is only in USA right? Pride gets you hurt.
I ran one of these for a year as R&D for my department and I went out and bought a Chicago 880 because the euro sucked so bad, I don't know if the brothers and sisters in Europe get differently built ones but the one I tried was hot garbage
It’s not better function you can’t put tools on it it restrict hearing and vision
I think (my opinion beacuse i use it) european helmets are safer beacuse they protect basicly your whole head: beside top of the head protects back of ur head and neck and aditional cover for neck its more useful for fires. I belive in america some fire stations are getting those healmets other just need to get used to it. But again it depends on the fire station and firefighters.
The Euro helmets are definitely a lot safer design wise than the traditional US helmets. I get what you are saying on the helmet size vs wall studs, but that is likely due to differing construction standards. This is from a construction forum in the EU.
“Studs, joists, and rafters are always spaced 60 cm (23.62 in) on center. The dimensions of OBS and other sheets are multiples of 60 cm in both dimensions so they can be placed in either direction, e.g., 60 x 240, 60 x 300, or 120 x 300 cm.”
Honestly, I just switched form a Cairns 660C Metro to a Cairns 1010. If you like euro helmets… then use it, but I’ll be keeping my traditional Cairns 1010 for a while.
I like those helmets they look futuristic and are safer...I prefer safety over coolness! Good choice.
other helmets are safer screw these were fighting fire not skydiving
@@traviscons2302 Sure... because the rest of the world doesn't fight fire...
They are based on a design from 1985 though (Gallet F1) . Good helmet, but nothing new.
@@wikirexmax well based on a 1985 design is still like 100 years newer than the helmet the leather ones are based off
Travis , they are specifically designed for firefighting.
He talks a big game about safety, yet he's out of shape.
that doesent really matter because in an emergency you are under such adrenaline even as a proffesional that you dont notice it untill after
@@ginoschlegel6370 Under an emergency you don't know it? Umm obesity and heart attacks the number one cause of death in the fire service.
@@travis160 so youre telling me then 50% of my fire dept should be dead rn
he is probably more in shape than you. Don't rely on appearance, you can be big and strong. See rugby players...
@@camembertdalembert6323 Probably? If safety is his main concern, then he should put his money where his mouth is. You do realize that heart attacks is the leading cause of deaths among firefighters, EMTs, paramedics and cops?
i think as a european that the us helmets look cool and i deffenitly want to get my hands on one of them but the design is simply limited safety whise and i would never wear a us style helmet in action
Hey, I know you posted your comment a few months ago but can you elaborate. I really want to understand why you wouldn't feel comfortable wearing one at a fire.
@@sidneygiroux4375 Basically the us style helmet is like a hat. No protection to your head from sides etc. Euro helmets also have features like QD mask attachment, built in coms, build in big visor and goggles...
XF1 is a huge improvement, the challenge is overcoming "Two hundred years of tradition unimpeded by progress." Canvas turnouts, brass couplings, cotton jacket hose and traditional helmets belong in museums.
Being a volunteer firefighter myself, I think the chief did the right choice. Tradition may be tradition, but safety always comes first before everything
Now the next step is getting the Masks with the easy fix on clips. Then you would find out what we already know for decades in Europe. The design of the Gallet helmets was based on motorcycle helmets and F1. The best FD in the world (BSPP) uses these helmets for many years.
I completely agree, I don't understand the institutional resistance to new helmets I experienced in my department. The XF1 is clearly superior as is the bayonet style face mask system used in Europe.
Exactly! Not only the time is reduced, by making it quick and without the need of putting your helmet down, you encourage ffs to use them more. My dads been a ff for 18+ years and he is a certified SCBA technician and many time ffs don't use them because they'll use it for 2 minutes but it will take around the same time to put on if you're geared up. If you can clip them on, they'll use it more and more which reduces the risk of cancer by huuge margin, just few seconds in smoke they say... but they've been doing it for years.
Actually...The best Fire department is FDNY
the truth is that we using the bayonet style masks but we are moving to masks with straps (it depends on donations from institutions or from the by the committee which will set the specifications). The disadvantage with the bayonet style is that when you are moving you head, you feel air leak. The straps is 100% sealed.
@@sidneygiroux4375not even close
idk where y’all get the idea that one is safer than the other. each helmet has saved so many lives. and both helmets have also not helped in situations.
u must think 99% of this country’s fire fighters are idiots if u think they choose tradition and looks over safety.
each helmet does the job it’s intended for so stop thinking the majority of guys u will call for an emergency are idiots. cuz why then would u call them.
Just because one is safer than the other, it doesn't mean that the other is unsafe.
It's like comparing Teslas/Volvos and other manufacturers. Just because those companies are safer doesn't mean other manufacturers aren't safe.
@@jakubmazur1240 that’s what im saying. people are treating guys that use the leathers like they’re caveman who don’t know what safety is
@@keeperlikeaboss1034 Yes because they stubbornly choose looks over safety. How is that even in the equation when talking about one of the most dangerous jobs in the world
@@matiasmaensivu7723 nah man 🤣 u act like it’s the same helmet they used in the 1800s. they meet the standards of any helmet used to fight a fire. they do save lives. they do the same job the other helmet does.
@@keeperlikeaboss1034 the other helmet prevents severe injuries in some situations while the brim of the helmet on the old ones induces serious injuries
two major advantages to the traditional helmet is the intent of the design in the first place. Hot water and ash constantly run down the back of your neck into the jacket with the euro design. This doesnt happen with a rear bend traditional. On a Euro, the ears are covered and unless you buy the ear speaker system, you cant hear anything. This is also problematic on non-fire scenes that are loud [car wrecks, extrications, etc]. Connectivity and additional wires take more time when bunking out. I am glad that he pointed out that it doesnt fit between studs 16" oc, as our RIC competition team found out. They both have disadvantages but the Euro helmet has several safety issues. True, a traditional helmet deserves to have an update, but my dept tried the Euros and only 2 people kept them. different strokes for different folks though...
This is 100% false. The old F1 is used in like 90 countries in the world for decades, how on Earth can you believe that "ambers and hot water constantly running down your neck" could be possible? In Europe, since the construction is almost all concrete/stones, interior attacks are much more frequent. The need for the F1 originaly arose from the Paris FD requesting better heat protection for agressive attacks (at the time they were using a helmet akin to metro style). The F1 provides a complete head, face & neck protection, further enhanced by a neck curtain. Hearing is not impaired in the slightest. Please get the basic education before making such ridiculous statement.
Bullshit. The Paris Fire Department, which is probably the best in the world, have been using theese helmets for decades. They never had any of the issues that you are talking about.
It's fine if you don't like them but please avoid making up imaginary problems.
Don't get mad. I clearly stated that we used them, had these complaints, then decided against them. Those were the complaints of the firefighters that actually used them. If you work for Paris and love them, good for you
Yeah, water don't get in your gear with an xf1. It's designed not to if you wear your gear properly. It literally had to pass the nfpa water run off test to pass nfpa standards.
@@jbjb1940 It seems that the helmet was not properly used during the experimentation phase.
The bill on my buddies helmet saved his life, screw the Euro crap.
They aren’t crap though. If they were, they wouldn’t be in common usage.
pride and tradition ain't gonna save much lives
In America you can go to the moon while having the same trains than 50 years ago.... it´s crazy. EU design is by far better, it´s just a preconception in the fire dpts.
He's talking about safety, but when I look at him, I see a heart attack waiting to happen. He's out of breath just talking!
Leather forever where are you guys Standard issue lids piss pots?
Having a leather helmet in 2021 is dumb as fuck.
its just a matter of fact the new helmets can prevent injuries in situations where the old helmets would injure you way more
@@matiasmaensivu7723 True but I’m going to stick with my leather I just prefer it
It certainly is Stefano.
Atleast least you are honest about it Chris.
I notice Its always chiefs that support these but you talk to any working firefighter they hate them. If you like hot water going down the back of your neck sure go for it. These things are terrible
So how come that I have used this type of helmet for over 10 years, and not a single drop of hot or cold water, ever came down my neck?
@@urosbenko4914 probably because american houses are mostly woden lots of ceilling is burning vs european ceilling being mostly concrete, and diferent approaches on inside attacks... But still european helmets are alot better in terms of safety
The words of someone with no experience of using them. They are far better.
If it's not broke, don't fix it. 200 years of proven safety.
I will copy-paste here another comment to this video:
"XF1 is a huge improvement, the challenge is overcoming "Two hundred years of tradition unimpeded by progress." Canvas turnouts, brass couplings, cotton jacket hose and traditional helmets belong in museums."
seems like people like you are the problem in America
I was adding a comment from the years of service that I have done. I wasn't insulting anyone or trying to force my views on anyone. If you are a REAL fireman. Then move to Europe and enjoy that helmet.
So why no more jeans?
America is also the fattest country in the world...your own words, " if it's not broke, don't fix it" hmm...obesity, Healthcare, shitty police, amendments still based off of 1776... doing great 🤣
This argument can only boil down to the basic statement "I prefer the looks of the old helmet.", nothing more, really.
Which is fine as a reason for yourself, but it is clogging up an important debate going on in the US firefighter community. Let the constructive practical side develop and keep the aesthetic preferences aside for use with Fire Chiefs and ceremonial use.
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