My Super Weird Trick For HUGE BASS.
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2019
- Today I'm going to share one of the all-time strangest tricks I've ever learned. Get ready for your bass guitar to sound MASSIVE!
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👁 About this video: In this video, Johnny shares the super weird trick that he learned from a heavy metal mixer to create the biggest sounding live bass ever!
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This is an awesome trick! no way!! so simple and yet, so stellar. Thanks man!
This sounds amazing!!! This is exactly the bass sound I have been looking for! I need to remember this and try it with my next mix.
That's great! I'm so glad to hear it!
Dude these are freaking killer! That sounds soooooo gooooooooooood
Thanks Wade!
This is awesome! Trying this this weekend. Was just looking for ways to give our Bass some more TLC
Great! I hope it works so well for you!
Cool! I loved it! Very useful tip 😎 u got a friend in your channel
Awesome! Thank you!
Been ridiculed and scoffed at by many over time when I tell others I use two channels. Glad to know I’m in good standings.
Absolutely! It's so good!
I've been using this technique for months, and even on a basic Roland M400, you can get a killer bass sound. The other huge trick I've used since I have aux fed subs is to keep my high end bass out of the subs completely, so the low end doesn't get muddied up.
That's awesome! I definitely love feeding just the low end to the subs too. Keeps it super clean!
Huge difference!
I’ve been using this set up for a while! I love it 100%!! Helpful Hint: if you need all of your FX processors, like I do, use a compressor at 1:inf. That is how I have it set up on my XR18!
100%! Love it!
this is gold
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I use a similar setup when I have to use electric drums that just have a stereo out. It allows me to get that deep bass from the kick and toms. While keeping the rest of the kit sounding normal.
For sure! Parallel compression is such a great technique!
I've doing this, before watching this video, because my bassits using an old and dull string. Been spending a lot of time diaing EQ and just feel didnt right. Finally I duplicate the chanel(at that time I was using X32), one for the low, one for the high, and it helps a lot.
That's great! I'm so glad its working for you!
That is very cool.. I’ll have to give it a go! Let me tell you my technique: I start by giving the bass a little more gain.. where I set my peaks on most things around -18 (just hitting the orange on the channel meter on X32), I’m hitting more around -12 to -14.. then I put the bass WAY into the compressor and shoot for around 8db of compression. I set my ratio pretty high 7:1 or 10:1 set my attack to about 16ms (to let the energy from the initial through) then I play with the release - I also give it about 8db of make-up gain. What I’m trying to do with the release, is let the compressor feed the channel as the level naturally fades.. if you set it right, your compressor will feed the channel and give you massive sustain. If you set it just right, you’ll see the level flutter a little as it back feeds the channel and you get the sweetest growl in the low end!
On EQ, I may do a cut somewhere between 50hz and 80hz if there is a particular string or note that is coming through louder than the rest. Then I do a cut around 200-250hz to take out some flab - with the exception of fretless, which I’ll boost somewhere from 200-300hz to bring out the whine of the fretless.. then the last thing I like to do is a good boost with a narrow Q right at 6Khz.. this has the amazing effect of not only bringing out the high end definition, but also punches up the 60hz freq’s. It’s weird, but true! Then just be careful to use your fader, as some of the quiet parts of the song may have too much bass, but you’ll have loads of it to bring back in when you want it!
That's an awesome way to do it!!
Here is what works for me everytime:
Put HPF at 30Hz.
Put some DynEQ on it, find "muddy range", set ratio high (but not to infinity:1). Same goes for "picky range".
Sometimes I have to do some minor tweaks on normal EQ, but most of the time this gets me nice sound.
Without spending another channel for it :) (It is not like I would care on 128ch console)
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Yep! I love that!
This is super awesome! So, we use a P16 in ears setup, meaning we have limited space on our P16s. How would you send this to in-ears? As two separate channels? Or have a third bass channel on the board somewhere, which is the original signal, and send that through to P16s?
Just use an AUX and feed the bass channels to it and send the aux to the P-16.
@@StephenTaunton-Staunto you make it sound so simple haha! I can't get my head around what you're saying though? Are you meaning to feed the bass channels into a mixbus?
@@conorseed2131 HI Conor. Yep, that's what I'm saying. Feed both bass Channels into a MIX BUS or AUX BUS, whichever your console calls them. Then just feed that AUX or MIX BUS to the P-16 channel you have for bass GTR. I hope this helps.
subtle point just in case... make sure that aux send is pre-fader to the P16, otherwise you are going to drive your musicians crazy riding the fader in their ears :)
@@ChristopherWilley1 Hi Christopher, If you send the aux 'prefader' then the P16 won't get the various 'tone changes' WorshipGuy is suggesting, since the 'tone' only changes by using the faders? But his method implies tonal changes, not volume. So I don't think the band will mind if only slight tonal changes are heard in the P16s...since this method changes tone mostly and not volume. I 100% agree with you that pulsing volume changes into P16s are distracting and annoying to the musicians!
If I were to try this on an M7CL, what kind of phasing issues / phase cancellations would I be facing?
Hopefully none! The latency should be just a couple samples with hopefully won't be audible.
Honestly I thought about doing this roughly two years ago but I figured it wouldn't make a noticeable difference.... I should have done it then. Well, looks like I have a project for tomorrow.
Absolutely! Hope it works great for you!
How about just using a multiband compressor?
Hi Damien! Yes, you could do something sort of similar with multiband compression, but on the low end, a regular multiband comp like the Waves C6 doesn't have the capability to do brick wall limiting like the L1 does, so your low end isn't going to be as tight as with an actual limiter. The C6 doesn't even have selectable ratios, so you're really limited doing it that way. You'd also have to use some kind of multiband distortion to get the overdrive just on the top end, which to my knowledge doesn't exist on most live consoles. You'd also lose the ability to adjust the high end of your bass on the fly as you mix with the high bass fader. I've definitely done a lot of multiband comp on bass over the years, but to me, this method has always won out.
could you do this with a kick drum????
Absolutely! Parallel processing on drums is great!
So do I hook up the bass as stereo??
No, just mono on 1 input.
On the X32 you set up:
- channel 1, gets its signal from input 1
- channel 2, gets its signal ALSO from input 1.
From that point, you can make 2 completely different settings, both using the same input.
This trick also works very well in this situation:
Imagine you have a vocal (singing) mic, with some reverb, suiting EQ, monitor feed, et cetera.
The announcements (speech) can be done with the same mic, but other EQ, no reverb, no monitor feed, et cetera.
Just use 1 mic on 1 input, but process them on 2 different channels, and just switch channels.
Enjoy and good luck!
Yep! Exactly what Piet said! It's just two channels that are getting their input from the same source. On digital mixers you can usually specify what input to use for each channel so you can just assign the same input to both channels. If you're on an analog board, you can just get an XLR splitter cable like this one: amzn.to/2D7diEk to physically split the line from your bass so you can plug it into two channels on the back of your mixing board. Hope that helps!
-Johnny @ WSG
I would not recommend panning your low and high sides to different parts of the mix. Both need to come straight down the middle.
@@dylanmaharrey3746 Yeah absolutely don't them! Bass always needs to be balanced in the stereo field.
This is just a convoluted way to do multi-band compression...
Ehhh... I'd disagree with you on that. Yes, you could do something sort of similar with multiband compression, but on the low end, a regular multiband comp like the Waves C6 doesn't have the capability to do brick wall limiting like the L1 does, so your low end isn't going to be as tight as with an actual limiter. The C6 doesn't even have selectable ratios, so you're really limited doing it that way. You'd also have to use some kind of multiband distortion to get the overdrive just on the top end, which to my knowledge doesn't exist on most consoles. You'd also lose the ability to adjust the high end of your bass on the fly as you mix with the high bass fader. I've done a lot of multiband comp on bass over the years, but to me, this method has always won out.
All worship music doesn’t use a bass with a pick…how can this be applied in a not so rock band type of worship setting ?
Yep! You can use it with any style of playing and it'll be fine. If you don't want the sound to be as "in your face" you can always just turn down the overdrive until you feel like the bass tone fits with your style.
Great, now try being in a church with no sub :(
Hey Gary! On a system without a sub, this method will actually be super helpful! Even though you're not reproducing as deep of a low-end as you would be if you had a sub, locking down the low/low/mid frequencies will help your system sound more even and balanced. It actually may even help other elements in your mix become more clear, since you won't have to worry about the bass poking out and stepping on the low end of the vocals, guitars, and keys! Give it a shot and let me know how it works for you!
@@WorshipSoundGuy will do bro I'll give it a whack at practice and let you know! Great content man!